Hello and welcome to my Slash Brainstorm review.
In this review I will take a look at the Brainstorm as an all mountain snowboard.
As per tradition here at SnowboardingProfiles.com I will give the Brainstorm a score out of 100 (based on several factors) and see how it compares with other all-mountain snowboards.
Overall Rating
Board: Slash Brainstorm
Price: $519
Style: All-Mountain
Flex Rating: Medium (6/10)
Flex Feel on Snow: Medium (5.5/10)
Rating Score: 88.6/100
Compared to other Men’s All-Mountain Boards
Out of the 37 men’s all-mountain snowboards that I rated:
Overview of the Brainstorm’s Specs
Check out the tables for the Brainstorm’s specs and available sizes.
Specs
Style: | All-Mountain |
Price: | $519 |
Ability Level: |  |
Flex: |  |
Feel: |  |
Turn Initiation: | Fast |
Edge-hold: |  |
Camber Profile: | |
Shape: | |
Setback Stance: | Setback 15mm |
Base: | Sintered |
Weight: | Felt a little lighter than normal on snow |
Sizing
LENGTH (cm) | Waist Width (mm) | Rec Rider Weight (lb) | Rec Rider Weight (kg) |
|---|---|---|---|
151 | 247 | 125 - 165 | 57-75 |
154 | 248 | 130 - 170 | 59-77 |
157 | 250 | 140 - 190 | 64-86 |
159W | 259 | 140 - 190 | 64-86 |
160 | 252 | 160 - 210 | 73-95 |
163W | 263 | 160-220+ | 73-100+ |
Who is the Brainstorm Most Suited To?
The Brainstorm is ideal for anyone looking for a do-it-all, one board quiver that can take them anywhere on the mountain and do anything there. It can handle all sorts of different terrain well too from hard pack to powder.
If all of the above sounds like you, plus you like your board to be playful, then the Brainstorm is likely a great option for you.
Not for someone on their first day on a board, but doable for a high-end beginner. Great for intermediate riders or an advanced rider that likes things on the playful side.
The Brainstorm in More Detail
O.k. let’s take a more detailed look at what the Brainstorm is capable of.
Demo Info
Board: Slash Brainstorm 2020, 157cm (250mm waist width)
Date: March 2, 2019
Conditions:
Bright blue skies. Groomers hard but not icy. A little cruddy in places.
Some light fresh off-groomer.
Bindings angles: +15/-15
Stance width: 600mm (23.6″)
Stance Setback: Setback 15mm
Width at Inserts: 263mm (10.35") at back insert and 261mm (10.28") at the front insert
Rider Height: 6'0"
Rider Weight: 185lbs
Rider Boot Size: US10 Vans Aura
Bindings Used: Burton Malavita M
Powder
From the little bits of fresh snow I found, I feel like the Brainstorm would be really good and really fun in there. Also based on when I rode the 2017 model and had a good amount of powder to work with - and it was awesome fun in there!
Also based on specs, the Brainstorm has a bit of setback, plenty of rocker, and more rocker in the nose vs the tail.
Carving & Turning
Carving: Not an aggressive carver by any means. It's a more playful kind of board. You can carve but it's not a mean carver. The camber in this board felt really subtle.
Maneuverability at slow speeds: Really quick edge-to-edge. Was fun for short sharp turns.
S Turns and Skidded Turns: Turn initiations were easy and skidding turns was no issue on this board at all. Which is one thing that makes it doable for high end beginners.
Speed
Gets a little wobbly when really getting up speed. But good until you start to really open it out. But when you ride it really fast and try and lay into some carves it becomes a little on the looser side.
Uneven Terrain
Hugged the bumps really well and nice and maneuverable for dodging them.
Let’s Break up this text with a Video
This video is for 2019 model, but I will update it for the 2021 model, If I find a new video. But the 2021 model is the same as it has been for years. Also, one of the guys in this video mentions the Brainstorm being aggressive. I definitely found it to be more playful than aggressive though.
Jumps
Overall a fun board to hit jumps on from small to large, but with medium being it's sweet spot.
Pop: Not oodles of pop but relatively poppy - and really easy to access all the pop that it has - don't have to load it up much at all.
Approach: Nimble and relatively stable. For really large jumps might get a little wobbly on approach.
Landing: Solid enough without being an out an out stomper. But nice and forgiving for smaller jumps or someone just starting on jumps.
Side-hits: Really fun for small side-hits - nimble and easy access pop.
Small jumps/Big jumps: Slightly preferred small jumps over big jumps - but medium jumps were it's sweet spot for sure.
Switch
Despite that directional camber profiles (more rocker in tip than tail) and the 15mm setback, the Brainstorm felt good riding switch.
Spins
Felt light and easy to get around, and had enough pop. Landing and taking off switch was pretty good too, without being perfect.
Jibbing
Not the perfect jibber, but not bad either. Really good for an all-mountain board.
Butters
Nice and buttery. Not like ultra-easy to butter, but still easy to butter.
Score Breakdown and Final Verdict
Check out the breakdown of the score in the table below.
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
POWDER | 4.0 | 12/15 |
CARVING | 3.0 | 6/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPEED | 3.5 | 7/10 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 4.0 | 8/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SWITCH | 3.5 | 7/10 |
JUMPS | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SPINS | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
BUTTERS | 4.0 | 4/5 |
JIBBING | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 88.6/100 |
Overall, the Brainstorm is a really fun do-it-all board that is on the playful side - with quite subtle camber and more prominent rocker - but still manages good edge-hold in harder conditions.
And as a nice bonus on top, it's a relatively inexpensive board too.
More Info, Current Prices and Where to Buy Online
If you want to learn more about the Brainstorm, or if you are ready to buy, or if you just want to research prices and availability, check out the links below.
If you want to check out some other all-mountain snowboard options, or if you want to see how the Brainstorm compares to other all-mountain snowboards, then check out the next link.
Hello and welcome to my Slash Brainstorm review.
Hi Nate,
I’m high-end beginner and I’m looking for all-mountain snowboard which allows me to make good progress and develop my skills. After making market research and reading your reviews I think about these two sets:
1) Slash Brainstorm 2022 + Drake Fifty
2) Nitro Team Gullwing 2022 + Union STR 2023
Which board would reccomend me?
What size should be good for me 155 or 157? (6′ 1″, 78 kg, boot size 11 US – Ride Jackson)
Thanks!
Hi Arek
Thanks for your message.
Both would work, but I would be leaning Brainstorm, because it’s a slightly more beginner friendly option. The Team Gullwing still nothing super demanding or anything, but just that little bit more challenging, IMO. I haven’t tested the Drake Fifty yet (though should be getting some this winter to test) but on paper, they should be a good match for Brainstorm and for your level.
Length-wise, I would go 157 for either. However, both are probably a bit too narrow in the regular width. I mean, if you weren’t planning on carving too deep and have binding angles like +15/-15 (something with at least a reasonable amount of angle on back binding) then you should be fine, given you have relatively low profile boots. But if you’re looking to get into deep carving or use flatter back binding angles, then they are probably going to be too narrow, IMO.
The shortest wide size in the Brainstorm is the 159W. But it’s not super wide for a wide board – so a really good width for 11s, IMO. It’s a little longer – and ideally as a high-end beginner, I’d go a little shorter, but 159 in general isn’t a size that’s too big for you (as a more advanced rider). For the Team Gullwing, 157W is likely your best bet.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for another great post, I actually got this board based on your previous review of the Brainstorm and have never looked back since. But for this season Im looking to change it up a tad, and looking at the K2 Broadcast or update to a newer model of the Brainstorm, any thoughts or insights you may have on the Broadcast or advice on switching boards would be very much appreciated, I love the Brainstorm as it suits my riding style, and just only concerned the Broadcast would be a major change to my riding…..
Thanks
Hi Peter
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the Broadcast, so I can’t say from experience but based on specs, experience with other K2 boards and from what I’ve heard about it, I would say that it’s a little “more board” to ride. You’ve got to be on your game a little more with it and can’t get quite as lazy in slashing turns and that kind of thing as you can with the Brainstorm. It looks to be stiffer and from what I’ve ridden from K2 I would expect it to be – and something you’ll likely have to be a bit more on your game with in terms of getting up on the edges and a more concerted effort to make sure your technique is good. So I’d say it will be quite a different ride in that respect. But as I say, I haven’t ridden it so this is just a guestimate.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision.
Hey Nate!
Any different between the new mode and the model of last year apart of the graphics?
Hi Felipo
Thanks for your message.
The only difference I can see is that they mention “impact dampening” on the ’23 model and don’t mention “ultimate traction” which was on ’22 model. Not sure if these are real changes or just a marketing change. But they’re pretty similar, if not the same.
Hey Nate,
Thanks for the answer after reading your reviews I decided to go for the brainstorm and I just got it I can’t wait for see how’s work. I’m just wondering which bindings you would recommend me I currently have the Union Flite Pro and I was thinking to get a little upgrade in case I find a good deal.
Cheers
Hi Felipo
Thanks for the update.
Yeah the Flite Pros are a little softer than ideal for the Brainstorm, so I’d look to go a little stiffer if you can. I’d be looking at something in that 5/10 to 7/10 flex range for it. And since you mentioned you want to keep things fairly playful in a previous comment, I’d be looking more in the 5/10 to 6/10 range. In which case I would check out this list for some great options.
Hey Nate! meanwhile I’m still waiting for a good offer to take the Union Strata I got a really good deal for the DC mutiny boots. They were in my mind because I was looking for a stiffer boots to match with the brainstorm and future bindings and how I can get DC boots for really good price they were between my options with the DC judge, in the website of DC they give 5 of 10 flex but after read your review about them I’m wondering if is a really good match (you said they felt softer).. Anyways I had to took it because the deal was too good but considering that my current boots are the vans encore 2019 do you think it would be a really upgrade in terms of performance? And also I saw that your review is with the 2020 model do you know if there is some upgrade or is pretty much the same boot. thanks!
Hi Felipo
I really liked the DC Mutiny but I did find them really soft. IMO as soft or maybe even a little softer than the Encore. So, if you’re looking to go stiffer, they may not be quite what you’re looking for. I did find the Mutiny had more responsiveness than I would expect for how soft they felt, but still limited by that softness. Really fun for freestyle stuff, but did have their limits when it came to riding fast and laying deeper carves. The 2021 model and subsequent models do look they’ve changed a bit, but not sure if they’ve made them any stiffer or not.
Hey Nate!
Thanks for the advice, I decided to give a chance to the Mutiny and see how’s work because I prefer the classic system than boa so even if the flex is pretty similar maybe they will fell better on me.
I will appreciate if you can help me with one more doubt about the set up of the brainstorm, after reading your article about the setback stance and considering my style closer to the all mountain -freestyle I’m wondering if I’m doing right.. the reference stance of the brainstorm is 60cm with 1.5cm setback and my preference stance is 56 so I move each binding to the next hole in direction to the middle of the board so I got the 56cm (2cm between each hole) but with this set up the difference to the tail is 46.5 and to the nose 49.5 it’s means 3cm setback what you considered freeride stance.. I’m doing something wrong or is this normal and the 1.5cm setback of the brainstorm means for each side of the board for a total of 3cms? I hope to had been clear with all this. Thanks!
Hi Felipo
If you move each binding one hole in, you are correct that you will a 56cm stance width. But the setback stance should stay the same. Setback is measured as half of the difference – so when there’s 3cm difference between, that makes it a 1.5cm setback. Hard to understand but that’s how it’s worked out. Also setback stance is measured on effective edge – so often the setback on the full length of the board is more than it is on effective edge, if the nose is longer than the tail. But in any case, if you setup 2 holes out from where you are now, you would still have a 3cm difference. To tail you would then measure 44.5 and to nose you’d then measure 47.5 (at the 60cm stance). So you’re all good. By moving both bindings in an equal amount you are maintaining the reference stance setback.
Hey Nate.
Thanks for a really nice review.
Just wanted to know if 163w for my 44,5 boots, 200lbs naked weight and 6,3 will be good.
Hi Bart
Thanks for your message.
I think the 163W will be a really good size for your specs. It’s spot on, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate
I’m 21 and have been snowboarding for 11 years and skiing since I could walk, although I’ve never owned my own board. I didn’t want to buy a board then go through another growth spurt.
I’m fairly advanced and am more of a freerider/all mountain rider but would be keen to get into more freestyle this year.
The 2021 Slash Brainstorm is at my local shop but only at 157. I am 6’1 and weigh 70kg. Do you think this would be an appropriate board for me?
Cheers
Ad
Hey Ad
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, I think it would work well for you. It’s something you can definitely ride freeride and freestyle on. Length-wise, I think the 157 is just right for your specs, but if you could let me know your boot size as well, just to confirm, that would be great.
hello Nate
I’m 160lb 5.9ft US9.5 but only 154size on sale. Is that fit for me ?
looking forward to your reply thanks
Hi Rylan
Thanks for your message.
I would be debating between the 154 and 157 for you, so the 154 could definitely work for your specs, depending on a few things.
Firstly, how do you like to ride? Do you prefer to ride fast? Do you ride powder a lot? Do you like to ride park sometimes? Do you like to ride trees? What does your typical day look like on the slopes?
Secondly, what would you consider your ability level? Intermediate? Advanced?
Let me know those things, and I will have a better idea of whether the 154 will be your best bet or not.
Hope this helps
thanks Nate
I’m sorry I didn’t tell you too many details.
I’m just a high-end beginner, and I’ m a little timid so I won’t ride too fast(will not more than 45km/h), most of the time I’ ll ride on a snow that’s not too hard, and I think they aren’t powder. Actually I haven’t been ride for a long time, I’ m not sure that the specific type of riding in the future maybe I will try it all and I found that my size is US 9 actually and I don’t like the board that’s too long. I noticed that you said this board is little narrow so I’m afraid my boots will go beyond the edge of the 154 size board. my binding is k2 lien AT (I knew it from your Top 5 list. All these lists are too helpful for me to choose the equipment !!!
Hi Rylan
Thanks for the extra info. I think 154 is your best bet, based on the new info. And I definitely wouldn’t worry about width with US9s. The 154 Brainstorm is a good width for 9s. There will be boot overhang (there always is some) but that’s a good thing. A little bit of boot overhang (so long as it’s not so much that you get boot drag) is a good thing. And your overhang on the 154 will be in a very good range, IMO.
Hey Nate, I have same specs. Im 5’9′ but sit around 151 lbs and foot is 9.5. US MEN. Would I still be good with the 154cm?
bindings-wise I was considering any of your top 3 on the all mountain reviews, either K2 lien AT, genesis, or union strata, let me know if you have a suggestion of binding that is most compatible with this board based on a 9.5 shoes size.
Also was going to choose a boot on your top 10 all mountain boots, maybe van infuse.
I’m deciding between this board and the capita living outerspace. that board has both a 152cm and 154cm option. I feel like based on your feedback on that board, my foot would be too big for the 152.
If you could suggest either this board or the capital OSL, that would be greatly appreciated. I am definitely a skilled beginner, if not a intermediate rider. I can get down any blue and a some black diamonds. I want a board that can just glide down the mountain smoothly with good speed but nothing insane. i would also like the ability to start working on jumping and jibs at some point, so I would like a board that can do that as well.
If you do recommend the OSL instead, would your boot and binding recommendations change based on a 9.5 boot size?
Thank you for your help! Greatly appreciated.
Hi Ashton
Thanks for your message.
Either board would be suitable for what you’re describing, for sure. I think it’s kind of between whether you wanted something better for powder (Brainstorm) or better for riding switch (OSL). If you see a bit of powder, then I would go Brainstorm. If not then either, but if you want to ride a lot of switch, then I’d be leaning OSL.
I think the 154 Brainstorm would be the best length for you. In terms of width, can you let me know your binding angles. With binding angles like +15/-15 (or similar – something with a decent angle on the back foot), I don’t think you’d have any issues on it with 9.5s. It would also depend on the profile of the boots you end up getting.
In terms of bindings, I think any of those 3 would work well. If you wanted a bit more spring/response then the Strata or Lien AT. If you wanted a slightly smoother response and a slightly more playful feel, then the Genesis. For the Burton and Union, the M for sure. For the Lien AT you will likely want to go with L. The Strata is a longer baseplate, but I think you’ll still be fine on the Brainstorm 154 with the M.
If you went OSL, then probably leaning more towards the Genesis, but the Strata and Lien AT would still work on that board. The 152 will be too narrow, but the 154 should be fine width-wise, and I think that’s a good length for your specs and how you describe your riding and your ability level.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the info.
I am 230lbs, 6ft.
I am traditionally freeride oriented and have the Yes. Y as my main board. My gf is finally learning so I need something that’s fun at slow speeds on groomers and can side hit everything, but that will perform well in the park, mostly jump lines, and trees.
I was thinking happy place since this seemed more quiver of one than I was looking for, but they’re sold out and so am considering this as well, want to give Slash a chance.
Thoughts on the choice and size, I’m guessing 163w but wanted to know if I could size down at all.
Hi Jorge
Thanks for your message.
If you were going to be using this as your predominantly freestyle board, then you could size down to the 159W (I’m assuming you need wide?). It’s small for your specs, but if you’re not going to ever really be bombing on it, then I think it would work, particularly if you’re predominantly riding slow, doing side hits and trees. It will feel softer flexing than I felt it. Hard to say how much so, but I doubt you’d feel it at more than 5/10 flex, if you went 159W. For sure, if this was going to be your one board, then 163W, but for the purposes you’re describing you could go 159W (or 160 depending on boot size).
Happy Place would be a bigger contrast to your current board, but the Brainstorm is very different to the YES The Y and is still something, particularly in the 159W, that makes sense in a quiver with the Y, IMO.
Hope this helps
Thanks,
That was really helpful and you understood my situation precisely. Boot size is 10 to 10.5 Mens US, if that changes anything. Since I won’t be going full-blown park-rat, I think this will suit me better than the happy place. Since I’ll leave my charging to the Y, I think I’ll go with the 159w.
Your affiliate link does not have the 159W but does have the 160, how do you think this will suit me with my weight and boot size. I’ll be mounting Now Pilots.
Thanks!
Hi Jorge
With 10s, I think you’ll be good on the 160 – that’s what I would actually go with for you, with 10s. With 10.5s, it depends on a few things. It might be OK but it might be too narrow depending on:
a. particular boots (some boots are lower profile than others) – if you could let me know your boots brand and model
b. binding angles – flatter angles mean more overhang, more angle reduces that overhang, so if you could let me know your typical binding angles, or the binding angles you would plan to use on the Brainstorm
c. carving aggressiveness – if you really carve trenches, then you can’t have as much boot overhang, but if you’re not carving overly aggressively, then you can get away with more overhang.
You wouldn’t need all these things to be in your favor to get on the 160 with a 10.5, IMO, but at least 1, and preferably 2 out of 3 and you should be fine on the 160 with 10.5s.
Hi Nate,
I’m looking at potentially getting this board, I am a intermediate – advanced rider and this seems like a good do it all type of board. I just had a quick sizing question. I’m 6′ 2” 155lbs with US size 13 boots. I’m not sure if the 159W would be wide enough or if I am heavy enough for the 163W. What would the ideal waist width be for size 13 boots?
Thank you,
Matt
Hi Matt
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, ideally I wouldn’t go longer than 159 in terms of length for you, so I think the 163W will be too long. The 159W is going to leave your with a good bit of overhang. I would predict it’s around 272-273mm at the inserts. And I would say that you’re boots, in 13s are at least 33cm. So you’re looking at probably a 6cm total overhang. Around 3cm heel, 3cm toe, which is borderline for sure. In some cases you would get away with it, but in most it’s probably a little narrow.
But if you ride with binding angles like +15/-15, ride a fairly casual style – like not really leaning too deeply into your carves – and have low profile boots (6cm is already accounting for low profile boots though, so this is really a must), then you’ll probably get away with it, but otherwise, it’s borderline.
In terms of ideal waist width, it’s really hard to say because width at inserts really varies depending on the board, so it’s quite difficult to predict overhang based on waist width alone. I measure width at inserts for all the boards I test, so if it’s a board I’ve ridden I can usually predict the width at inserts on any given size of that board, but if I haven’t ridden it, it’s hard to say. But I think in terms of width at inserts, you’d probably want to be around 280mm plus, depending on the length of your boots and the binding angles you use.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
Thank you for your reply, ended up picking up the 159W and been riding for about a week and it has been great! Haven’t had any issues with the overhang even when I do turn aggressively. I do ride 15/15 that definitely helps. Thank you for all the great information you provide and the quick reply , really helped with choosing my board! Keep up all your great work!
Regards,
Matt
You’re very welcome Matt. Awesome to hear that the board is working well for you. Happy riding!
Hi Nate,
I am looking for a new snowboard and i need your advice.
My level is beginner to immediate. At the moment I’m mostly riding groomers.
My bindings are the K2 lien AT size L, and my boots DC munity size 43eu.
My height is 180cm and i am 83Kg.
So, do you think Slash Brainstorm is a good much for my equipemnt and for my level and which size i should prefer, the 157 or the.
Cheers
Marios
Hi Marios
Thanks for your message.
I wouldn’t say that the Brainstorm is good for a complete beginner, but if you’re high-end beginner, going on intermediate, then I think you would be fine with it and matches with the equipment you currently have.
Size-wise, I think the 157 is the best bet for you. It’s a size that I think would work for your specs and ability really well.
Hope this helps with your decision
I have a 2016 Brainstorm 160 with size 11 Ride Lasso and Medium/Large Burton Genesis bindings. I’m 6’0 and was 185 lbs when I bought the board to around 205+ now.
This has been a great board for me and I can’t complain about anything with this board. Like everything from the feel, easiness, catch free ride, float, speed, turns, edge hold, jump, etc. I take it all around the mountain from easy groomers to hard charging Or natural intermediate runs and feel comfortable when I’m on advanced terrain. Even take it in a small park every now and then. Does everything well and helped me develop from an advanced beginner to a solid intermediate.
I truly love this board and plan on keeping it.
However, I can’t help but think there might be a similar board that can do everything this one can but better, and in turn help me transition to the next level.
I honestly won’t be upset if I should keep this board for the next few seasons or even get a newer model, I like the 2020 version.
But, are there any boards you can recommend instead of the Brainstorm for what I’m trying to achieve?
(I will be keeping my boots and bindings because these have given me the most comfort, feel, and heel hold ever)
Thanks
Hi Joel
Thanks for your message.
I highly rate the Brainstorm, and keeping it should definitely be an option to consider.
But it is quite a playful board, so if you did want to transition into more aggressive riding, then you could look at some other options. Without going too much more aggressive or advanced but for a bit of technical step up – something with more camber and something that will give you a bit more for carving and/or speed, I would check out:
>>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards
You’ll see the Brainstorm on that list, but compare to the others in the score breakdowns to look for areas you might like to see improvements from. Let me know if you’ve narrowed it down further but still can’t decide, or if you think you’ll stick with the Brainstorm for now. I probably wouldn’t go 2020 Brainstorm, just because it’s not that different to the 2016 model – apart from the fact that it’ll probably feel a little stiffer, having not been broken in.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate, thanks for the quick response!
I’m definitely considering keeping it, and the only real reason I was considering a new board is because it’s got a couple serious dings in it and the tail is starting to show stress cracks on top. I’m sure it could last a few seasons more but that did make me start considering a new board or going for the 2020.
After reading your reviews and comments to other riders I’ve considered the
Yes Standard
Gnu Hyperkyarve
Never Summer Insta Gator
Jones Mountain Twin
And a few others..
I like the playfulness of the board and the fact I can go anywhere and not feel out of place so it could probably still be the perfect board but let me know what you think of those boards or anything similar. I’ll go back through the top ten and see if any stand out again.
Thanks man!
Hi Joel
Yeah if your current Brainstorm is damaged, then that’s a good reason to go 2020 in the Brainstorm for sure. But yeah, you’ll essentially be getting the same board, but in better condition.
I haven’t ridden the Hyperkyarve or Insta Gator, but from what I know of them, they are quite playful for freeride boards. They’re more directional than the likes of an all-mountain board. Not going to be as good for riding switch or taking off/landing switch on spins or that kind of thing, because of that extra directional feel. But I’m not sure the feel of them or precise details. But yeah, if riding switch or spins aren’t really a thing for you and you’re open to going more directional, then they are in theory options.
The Standard and Mountain Twin aren’t as playful as the Brainstorm, but you do get an increase in carving. I would say that the Mountain is the least playful of those, with the Standard somewhere in between the Mountain Twin and Brainstorm. Both are very versatile though and have as good or better edge-hold than the Brainstorm. But I would say both a slight bit behind in terms of uneven terrain and powder vs the Brainstorm.
Basically I’m looking for something that can carve a little better without sacrificing too much in powder float and ride on uneven terrain, and I’d like to keep the playfulness vs too aggressive.
I really like hybrid camber but open to something a bit different.
Also looking at the
Rossi One
Nitro Team Gullwing
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
Hi Joel
Comparing the One to the Brainstorm. Again, not as playful as the likes of the Brainstorm, but certainly not aggressive. I would say in order of playfulness of it vs the others we’ve discussed, I would go (from most to least playful):
– Brainstorm
– One LF
– Standard
– Gullwing
– Mountain Twin
But very little in it between the One LF, Standard and Gullwing. And also to note that the Mountain Twin isn’t aggressive by any means (I have a separate list for aggressive all-mountain boards), but hopefully that gives some perspective.
The One doesn’t loose out much in terms of uneven terrain vs the Brainstorm and is just as good in powder, IMO. The biggest thing with the One is that it does lack a little in pop. It’s not devoid of it by any means, but it’s a small step down in terms of jumps vs the Brainstorm, IMO.
The Gullwing just a step down in terms of powder and as good in uneven terrain, IMO.
Hope this gives you more to go off
Ok this definitely helps make the decision easier. I’m starting to narrow it down to a few boards, mainly the One, Standard, and Team Gullwing.
My original list was West La Hache, Brainstorm 2020, Hyperkyarve, Standard, Terrain Wrecker, NS West, NS Insta Gator, One, Jones Frontier, Jones MT, K2 Broadcast, Salomon First Call, and Team Gull.
I’m not too big on switch and/or landing switch yet and I really only spend 5% or less in parks. I mainly like to go for the Intermediate terrain, find some interesting features, and try to find trees that I can make it out of without too much trouble. One of the main reasons I’m not so big on the Standard yet is because it may be a little too slow on turns. Definitely don’t want anything slower turning then the Brainstorm since I’m trying to get more in the trees (not that the Brainstorm is a slow turner at all).
And the more I look at it, the Team Gullwing may be out of the picture do to sizes. I don’t want to go for a 164w coming from a 160.
The One is still a good option and funny enough it’s the one that got beat out by the Brainstorm 4 years ago when I was looking.
Anyways, thanks for the help Nate!
You’re very welcome Joel.
From your list, the NS West is an option too, if you can find a 2019 model in your size. I would say that’s similar in playfulness to the One, Standard & Gullwing. They didn’t make a 2020 model though (strangely), so you’d need to find it in a 2019 model, for that to be an option.
I actually really like the West and it looks like it would be what I’m looking for.
My only concern is the size compared to my Brainstorm 160.
The West 159 is very close to the Brainstorm 160 in waist and nose/tail width, but it’s max weight is 185lbs.
I ride forward stance 18/3 ish.
I’m a 6’ size 11 boot (low profile) and fluctuate between 195 and 205 usually.
I don’t want to go too long since I want to go in the trees.
What size do you recommend for the West that’s on the small size and fits my measurements?
Thanks
Hi Joel
I take those weight recommendations with a grain of salt. I sometimes use them as a tie breaker if it’s 50/50 between two sizes, but otherwise don’t pay too much attention to them. In any case Never Summer haven’t actually had their own weight recommendations on their boards for a couple of years now (the ones on my review are from a few years back) – so that 185lbs may not even reflect what they think anyway. Usually I would say around 162 for your specs, but 159 is definitely not far off that, and if you prefer something on the shorter side, and like the Brainstrom in 160, then I think 159 would be the best size for you.
Only thing would be whether to consider the 160X with size 11s. But again, if you’ve had no issues width-wise on the Brainstorm, and since you have low profile boots, I think you would probably be OK on the regular width. The West 159 I would say is around 262mm at the inserts, at a guess, as I haven’t actually measured it, but based on similar Never Summer Boards. The 160 Brainstorm I would predict to be around 264mm at the inserts, so there isn’t too much difference width-wise there.
Ok, I was originally thinking 162 but after looking at the specs again and what you’ve said I’m going for the 159 if I go WEST.
So, last question, I’ve finally narrowed it down and I’m between the WEST 159, or the WEST BOUND 160. I hadn’t thought of the West Bound as much before because it’s labeled a “Free Ride” instead of “All Mountain”, but most people are saying it’s more of an All mountain anyways. And since I don’t spend any time at all in a park unless I see an empty one on the way down to do a hit or two, and I’m not looking to ride switch for more than a few turns or a few landings,
Would you recommend the West Bound instead?
Thanks
Hi Joel
I think the West Bound could suit your style or riding for sure. It is more easy going than the average Freeride board, but I would still describe it as a freeride board. It’s leaning more towards all-mountain than some but still freeride in my books. The only thing to consider there is that it is going to feel stiffer than the Brainstorm (and vs the West). Not as playful as either. Whilst it’s certainly more playful than the average freeride board, it’s still not as much so as the Brainstorm/West. So, I think it would work for sure, but just wanted to point that out, in case that comes into your thinking.
Hey Nate,
So I decided on the West 159 since it will probably be an easier transition from the Brainstorm. Also, since it’s an outgoing model With so much love and getting harder to find It was better to try it while still available. I can always go for West Bound in a few seasons if I decide.
Thanks for the help, I’ll let you know how it goes when I get to try it out.
Hi Joel
Yeah that would be awesome if you can let me know how you get on, once you’ve got it out on snow. Hope you have an awesome season!
Wow Nate you get a lot of questions on sizing. Well here’s another for you.
I have an opportunity to get a great deal on a Brainstorm 159W. I’m 6’0″ / 155lbs. / sz. 10US / upper intermediate. Normally I don’t look for “Wide” boards. Maybe a 157 would suit me better and I’m just not sure how much of a difference i will notice between the two. Should I go wide and save some cash or would regular be more optimal for me?
Thanks,
Matt
Hi Matt
For your specs, I wouldn’t go 159W if I was you. I think it’s at the end of your length limit – and adding the extra width I think it’s too big overall for your specs. The 157 would be a much better bet, IMO. I notice a big difference between wide and regular boards (also US10 boots) – and only really like wider boards if I size down a little in terms of length. So yeah, I would invest the extra dollars to get the 157, which will be more optimal for your specs. Over the life of the board the cost probably isn’t that much per season. But your cost to benefit risk is your own. But if I was in your shoes, I would go 157.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate
Im going to buy the brainstorm this week and i cant decide if 159W or 160 will work better for me. Im 5’11 175lbs and boot size is 10.5 to 11. buying the DC Mutiny with Burton Cartel or K2 Lien AT Bindings. Im going to use it for all mountain riding. so some park and go off into the trees. probably run into powder to packed grooms.
Hi Janos
Thanks for your message.
I think I would be leaning towards the 159W for you, especially if you end up in 11s. The DC Mutiny isn’t super long, but it’s not overly low profile either. It’s about middle of the road, so with 11s I wouldn’t risk getting on the 160. I’d say you would probably get away with it on the 10.5s but the 159W still a safer bet. And it’s not massively wider either so I’d say it’ll work fine.
For reference:
The 159W (with a 259mm waist width) is likely to be around 272mm at the back insert and 270mm at the front insert – if you ride it at it’s 600mm (23.6″) reference stance. Not quite as wide if you were to ride it a little narrower than that. The DC Mutiny, I would predict in the 10.5 size, would be around 315mm or 31.5cm. That leaves you with an overhand of around 4.3cm total (if you were to have your bindings on a 0 degree angle – a little less overhang the more you have your bindings angled). Around 2cm per edge, which is just right, IMO. On 11s, you’ll have more, but still within a good range, IMO. You’re looking at more like 5cm total overhang (2.5cm per edge, with perfect boot centering) – which is still doable, but riskier, depending on how aggressively you ride. With 11s, that goes closer to 5.5cm total overhang.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision.
Hi Nate,
Thanks for your feedback. I just bought 159W last night. Super excited to go shredding. Im looking to buy the Burton Cartels Reflex 2019 next but the sizing im not sure yet. so it says Mediums are 8-11 and Large is 10+. I was reading online with 10.5 boots i should be good with Mediums. I guess if i go with Large i can adjust down or if i go Mediums i can adjust up to fit 10.5. whats you take on Cartels and 10.5 boots. Mediums or Large?
Hi Janos
Congrats on your new board!
For Cartels, I would be confident you could get into the mediums if you wanted to. I wear 10s in Mediums all the time, and there’s still plenty of room, so shouldn’t be any issues there. But I would be leaning towards large for you, because I think the 10.5s would fit well in there, but the baseplate is that little bit longer, just giving you that little bit more leverage on the edges. Neither size would be a bad call for you, with the mediums, you can extend that toe ramp to suit, and I don’t think you’d have any issues fitting in 10.5s, but I would be leaning towards large.
Thank you Nate for all your great advice. I think im going with the Large. It sounds like it will be a better fit. Keep shredding and stay passionate about snowboarding!!!
You’re very welcome Janos. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hey Nate,
I am looking to buy either the Slash Brainstorm 2020 or the Nitro Team Gullwing 2020. From your experience with both, is there a difference in overall quality between the two boards? Also does the Slash Brainstorm do a little better in powder over the Nitro Team Gullwing? I am looking at the 151 cm on the brainstorm and the 152 on the nitro.
Hi Colton
Thanks for your message.
Both are good quality boards, IMO. They perform in slightly different areas, but both overall very good boards. The Brainstorm is a little better in powder, but not by a huge amount. The Team Gullwing in the 152 vs the Brainstorm in 151, there’s probably not a lot of difference (because the 152 Gullwing is a little wider overall), but I’d still say Brainstorm powder-wise, but only just. It has a directional camber profile and the rocker is more dominant, with only subtle camber. There’s quite a bit of rocker in the nose.
Overall, between the 2, the Brainstorm is a slightly more playful/surfy feel. The Team Gullwing isn’t overly aggressive by any means – it sits right in the middle between aggressive and playful. Whereas the Brainstorm is just on the more playful side of middle, if that makes sense.
The Gullwing is a little better for carving and a little more poppy. The Brainstorm is a little more buttery. There not worlds apart, but they certainly have some differences.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate, that does help.
You’re very welcome Colton
Another quick question:
I am a US Mens boot size 8.5. Do you think the 246 mm waist width on the Nitro Team Gullwing 152cm is still a good width for me?
Hi Colton
Yeah, that’s a really good width for 8.5s, IMO. Assuming that’s a good length for you, that width will work well, IMO.
I am 5,7 and 143 lbs. So I think a 152 or 151 cm would be good. What do you think?
Hi Colton.
Yeah I agree that something around that length would be a good range to look at.
Hi Nate, Thanks for all the advice it’s been really helpful. Finally gone for a nitro team exposure gullwing in a 157. Cant wait for winter!
You’re very welcome Mark. Hope you enjoy your new deck, when you get a chance to get on it. Have a great summer and then bring on winter!
Thanks Nate. Sounds like a great weekend! I’m going to go with the Union Force. Slightly leaning towards the OS Living over the Brainstorm as I am assuming it will be slightly easier for progression and also if I want to start learning more freestyle it will be easier?
Hi Mark
Yeah the OSL slightly easier for learning freestyle. Not a big difference – the Brainstorm would certainly be fine for it, but the OSL just a touch easier for freestyle I would say.
Hi Nate,
Still not quite made a decision and got a couple more thrown into the mix now. Have you ridden the terrain wrecker yet as I see you were due to ride it at some point soon? Got this available but only in a 154cm but not sure this will be too small (although I see it is slightly wider). Also the Nitro Team Gullwing. I was pretty set on the OSL but my only worry is the edge hold on hard/icy snow.
Thanks.
Hi Mark
Still haven’t managed to get on the Terrain Wrecker – that is one board that just keeps alluding me!
I would say you could definitely enjoy both the 154 and 157 Terrain Wrecker. Same pros and cons of going shorter and longer as per on the OSL comments. Lib Tech boards that I’ve measured typically don’t get much wider at the inserts vs the waist width, compared with other boards. So, even though the waist is a little wider, the width at inserts isn’t necessarily as wide as you think. I haven’t measured the Terrain Wrecker, but based on other similar Lib Tech boards, I would estimate the 154 would be roughly 262, 263mm at the inserts. Which is still fine for 9.5s, IMO.
The Team Gullwing would be the same debate size-wise. 155 or 157. Likely to be marginally narrower overall – the 155 around 258mm at inserts and the 157 around 260mm at inserts.
Hope this gives you more to go off
Hi Nate,
I’m looking for an all mountain board. I’d say I’m past the beginner stage and progressing reasonably quickly. Like trying to push myself in terms of speed and turns so want something that is going to be reasonably stable but obviously not too advanced for me. Also like trying to get into powder whenever possible. Would this be suitable or too advanced?
Hi Mark
Thanks for your message.
The Brainstorm is a fairly easy going board – the camber is pretty subtle and after riding the 2020 model, I would say that the flex is a little less than a 6 – maybe more like 5 or 5.5. I would say this is a very good board for an intermediate rider – even a low end intermediate rider. Based on what you’re describing, I think this would be a good choice for you.
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate. Had a look at you skill level article and I’d say I’m a level 4 (hopefully be able to get to level 5 next year). I’ve got some Burton custom bindings at the moment. Would these be a bit soft to pair with this board?
Also I’m 5ft11 and 72kgs. What size would you recommend?
Hi Mark
I would say the 157 is your best bet, size-wise. You could also ride the 154. Same things to weigh up as I mentioned in our discussion on the Outerspace Living. From what you’re describing, I think you’d appreciate the 157 a little more.
I would look at getting slightly stiffer/more responsive binding to pair with the Brainstorm, ideally. You could check out some good options here:
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
Thanks for all the help. Bit torn between this and the OS living at the moment. Got some union contact pro for a similar price to the Salomon trigger bindings I mentioned. Also some union force for only a bit more so I’m gonna wondering whether I should push for those. I’ll give some feedback once I get out on the snow next winter!
Had a look at the top 5 but i’m just trying to find a slight cheaper deal on something that will still do a good job
Hi Mark
Apologies for the slow response. Have been out demoing gear all weekend. The Force are a really solid all-mountain choice, IMO, and for a good price. The Contact Pros are probably a little soft flexing for the Brainstorm – and maybe even a little soft for the OSL too, IMO. Doable for sure, but I would go Force over Contact Pro for those two boards.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I just ordered the 157. I’m 5’9″, 165lbs, and have a US 10.5 boot size. For style, I do tree runs, powder, carving on grommers, and a very small amount of park. Which board size would you recommend? Should I looking into exchanging the 157.
Hi Nick
Thanks for your message.
I think the 157 is a good length for you, assuming a relatively advanced level. You could also ride the 154 (and would be nice in the trees and for when you’re in the park – or if you’re more of an intermediate level, though not as good for speed, powder and carving). But with 10.5 boots, the 154 would be too narrow for your boots, IMO. Also, assuming a relatively advanced level I would be leaning towards the 157.
Width-wise, even the 157 might be pushing it a little bit. I think you’ll get away with it if you ride with +15/-15 angles or similar and/or if you have low profile boots. But with normal profile boots and a straighter back binding angle, even the 157 might be pushing it in terms of being too narrow.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I really appreciate your site. Such a friendly place, unlike some others. 😉
I’ve been snowboarding occasionally for several years using rental gear. This year I suddenly got the hang of it. 🙂 I’m now definitly a (somewhat old) low intermediate rider progressing quickly. I now want to by my own gear. I’ve decided on the Slash Brainstorm as my do it all board. However, I’m not sure about the sizing and I’m not able to test it. I’m 1,76m and weigh about 73kg. At the moment I’m mostly riding groomers but my goal is to venture more off-piste. I’ll be riding in the Bavarian and Austrian Alps but also on some smaller mountains in the Czech Republic. I’ll have to take the conditions as they come. Therefore the snow will not always be perfect. I’m trying to decide between the 154 and the 157. Do I sacrifice a lot of float going shorter? Or would on the other hand the 157 still be playful enough to be able to progress on groomers and to handle suboptimal conditions? Does it make a big difference at all or could I just get used to whatever of the two sizes I buy? I would really appreciate your opinion. Oh and btw. would the Union Strata be a good match for this board?
Thanks a lot,
Georg
Hi Georg
Thanks for your message.
I think both sizes would certainly work for your specs. Both would have their pros and cons.
The 157 would certainly float better in powder. It’s not going to make a massive difference, but certainly a noticeable difference. But at your weight, I think you would still get reasonable float on the 154. The 157 would also be more stable when riding fast.
The 154 would make for a faster progression, be more agile at slower speeds, better in trees and be better for freestyle stuff, if you were to get into that.
I think you would appreciate the 157 when it’s a powder day and for longer faster trails, but the rest of the time you might be better on the 154.
Can you also let me know your boot size? That might be the tie breaker between the 2 sizes.
Hope this gives you more to go off
Hi Nate, thanks for your thorough response. I got size 9 boots. Therfore I don’t think it will break the tie. I might just go with the 154. It probably is a better fit considering my riding level.
You’re very welcome Georg
Yeah with 9s, you could certainly ride both. If you had 10+ it might be a reason to go to the 157, but with 9s, I’d still say 154. If you think of it at the time, I would love to hear how you get on with it, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow. Hope you have an awesome season!
Thanks! You too, Nate! I’ll let you know.
Hi Nate,
I just wanted to give you a short feedback on my Slash Brainstorm. Athough you recommended the 154, I got a god deal on a 157. So I went for that. And so far I’m extremely happy. Please keep in mind that I don’t have that much to compare this to. So this is all very subjective. The brainstorm is agile, forgiving, and very fast. My last rental board was a Nitro cinema which felt pretty squirrely, but the brainstorm allows for very smooth turns. It handles chopped up groomers and the varying conditions due lots of sunshine very well. But I also took it a little bit off piste on an abandoned skiing hill which we had to walk up. This hill had a bumpy, icy base and about 5 to 10cm of old powder on top. Riding the brainstorm there still felt very safe and it was easy to carve through the powder despite the bumps. For me so far this is the dominant aspect of this board. It feels very safe and predictable. It never catches an edge, even when flatbasing. It always goes where I want it to go and it is easy to turn and is easy from edge to edge, but in a smooth way as opposed to the nervous cinema. Finally, I’m starting to catch up to the skill level of my daughter again. 🙂 She’s got a Yes Emoticon, which she also really enjoys. Thanks again for all your advice!
Georg
Hi Georg
Thanks for the update! Always like to hear how people are getting on with their new gear. Awesome that the Brainstorm is working well for you! Happy Riding!
hi there
I have a DC tone 156cm for 3 years now and i am thinking to buy another board for more freeride specs. I don’t get in the park often.i mostly like to carve fast on powder and even doing some jumps and rolls all the way down
my specs are:
height: 179cm
weight: 75kg
boot size: US 11
I am between this board at 159CM WIDE and the SLASH NARWAL FLOATER 159W
Which one do you suggest it would fit for me better?
Hi Michail
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the Narwal Floater so I can’t give first hand experience there. But based on specs, the Narwal is likely to be a little better in powder, and better at speed. But I think the Brainstorm would be better for jumps and maybe a slightly better carver too – given that the Narwal Floater doesn’t have any camber in the profile. But being stiffer might help it there.
Certainly for things like butters, jibs etc the Brainstorm would be better, but it doesn’t sounds like your doing that much.
For your specs, the 159W would be the best for the Brainstorm, IMO, assuming you’re at a relatively advanced level.
As far as I know the Narwal Floater only comes in a 153, 157 and 161. But I think the 157 would be an appropriate size for you. And it’s a wider board in general, so I would say the 157 would be fine width wise for 11s too.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the reviews and was wondering if you could offer some advice on a new board. I am very much considering the brainstorm. I am 82kg, 6foot and have a size 10 boot. Riding wise I am advanced intermediate and ride off piste if at all possible, enjoy tree runs and.other wise like riding piste as fast as I can and generally playing about but have no park aspirations. Cause of.that I think a directional twin thats good on piste and powder would be great
I know.nothing about snowboards however. I have ridden a very old and knackered camber board, not sure of length and a k2 standard rocker with the k2 bindings in 159w for the last few years.
Really like the k2 in float in powder and catch free ride. I do feel it lacks a bit in edge bite and isnt as good on piste but not bad by any means. Im guessing due to being a rocker and more of a beginner board.
Ideally am after a one board to still float in powder but give a bit more on groomed piste. I can get a new 2017brainstorm 159w at around £260 and think it would offer what I am after. Only consideration is should I be going longer for my weight, never had a.problem floating on the k2 and was a bit worried if I go longer will loose some turn speed in the tight stuff.
Had alsos considered the jones you mention but the deal on the slash seems.to good to pass on?
Sorry about the long message and thanks again for the reviews!
Andy
Hi Andy
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing, I think the Brainstorm would be a really good option for you and will certainly give you a bit more performance on piste compared to the K2 Standard. And certainly won’t loose anything in powder.
Length-wise, I think you would be fine around 159cm. You could go a little longer if you wanted to, but you certainly don’t have to. I’m very similar specs to you and I like something around 158-160 for this type of board, so I think you’re fine sticking with that length.
The only thing is width. If you are a UK10 boot (which since you gave a price in pounds, I’m guessing you’re in the UK), then the 159W would be fine. If it’s a US10 boot though (equivalent UK9), then I think the 160 would be the better size. It’s a narrower board anyway, so even if it’s US10, you would still be fine on the 159W (and since you’re used to a wide), but even better on the 160. If it’s a UK10, then stick with the 159W, that would be about the ideal size both length and width, from what you’re describing.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for the quick reply, as you guessed im in the uk, so the 159w it is and been on sale helps aswell!
Thanks again for all the help, your a gentleman.
Andy
You’re very welcome Andy. Hope you have an awesome season with your new deck!
Hi Nate!
I have been in snowboarding around 4 seasons and decided to buy my first snowboard.
Thanks a lot for your review cause now I am 100% sure it’s the board that I want.
I have a question about sizing of the board cause I ma not really sure which one I should get.
I am 182cm tall and my weight is around 77kgs. I wear Burton AMB 10US size.
I was actually looking forward to buy 157 but after checking the size chart it turns out 157 is only for 7-9 boots sizes. Unfortunately there is not chance to buy 159W model for me but there is one board left in 160 size.
Which one should I go for? Will 157 fit fine with 10US or should I just go for 160?
I used to ride on groomers and a little bit of park (low kickers and boxes) but last year tried powder (and felt in love with it).
Best regards,
Alex
Hi Alex
Thanks for your message.
Length-wise, you could go with the 160 – and it would certainly give you more float in powder (and more stability at speed) but overall I think the 157 would definitely be the better length for you.
Width-wise, I think you might be OK on the 157, but it would depend on your binding angles. If you ride with something like +15/-15 (i.e. a relatively angled back binding) then I would say it will be wide enough for sure. But if you ride with a straight back foot (e.g. if you had binding angles like +18/+3 or something), then it would be pushing it being too narrow. Since you have Burton boots (which are quite low profile) then that helps and gives you a bit of leeway.
I couldn’t say exactly, but my estimate would be that you would be fine with the width of the 157 so long as you ride with at least a 6 degree angle on your back foot. You might even be fine with a straighter angle but it would be more risky.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate mate 😉
Hows it going? Got a little question.
Has the new Brainstorm changed a lot to the old one? Like flex and torsional flex? .. It still got the little rocker in tip and tail I guess and camber between the feet.
And how did it feel jibbing and buttering? you gave it a 2.5 rating. Still good for some butters and jibs? Sure not like a pure freestyler, but if you know how to, its still fun for it?
Looking for a new boad this year.. and want a fun board with definitely camber and maybe soft rocker on tip and tail. And sweet tosional flex for side to side feeling and medium flex. 😉 Just something I can take everywhere, from pow to park.
Got these ones in my mind as well, any recommendations: Salomon Sick Stick, Yes Typo or Yes Standard, Nitro Team, …
Thank you so much Nate!!
Hi Alex
Thanks for your message.
As far as I know, the 2019 model is the same as it has been for a few years. I haven’t ridden it since the 2017 model, but it’s the same board, with a different graphic I think.
Yeah you can definitely still butter with it and hit jibs too, if you know what you’re doing. 2.5/5 might even be a little harsh, could push that up to a 3 almost. Certainly not specialist but definitely doable.
It has a directional hybrid camber profile – so that’s camber between the feet, which extends to the inserts, then starting at the inserts it goes to rocker. It’s directional because towards, the rocker starts outside the inserts and is a shorter rocker section. The rocker is also less pronounced towards the tail. Whereas the rocker towards the nose starts under the inserts and is a longer section. It’s also more pronounced. There’s 3mm rocker towards the tail, 3mm or camber between/under the feet and 6mm rocker towards the nose. So that gives it a bit of freeride kind of feel, with that directional hybrid camber. But a very easy going freeride feel. But it does also mean that it’s more buttery on the nose than the tail. Which is part of the reason I gave it a lower rating.
But otherwise it is something that you can definitely take anywhere – and it’s certainly on the more playful, rather than aggressive side.
I haven’t ridden the Salomon Sick Stick unfortunately.
The Standard I found butters really well. I was surprised how easy it was to butter for what it is. I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily as playful overall as the Brainstorm but it does butter well. Also not overly aggressive. Right in the middle. It’s one of those boards with X factor.
The Typo is also easy to butter, but I expected that. It’s less board than the Standard, in my opinion but it is an all-mountain board on the freestyle end of the spectrum. It’s certainly the safer bet (some people don’t fit well with the Standard – it depends on boot size and if that fits well with one of the sizes in terms of length as well. The Typo is easier to fit) but not as much personality as the Standard, IMO.
The Nitro Team (Gullwing model) is a very consistent board. It feels the same in a variety of conditions and is that right in the middle of playful/aggressive and can basically do a bit of everything very well. Something you can’t really go wrong with, IMO.
That’s my thoughts on those anyway, hope it helps. If you haven’t already, check out the following for more. I also have full reviews for the Standard, Typo and Nitro Team (the Gullwing version):
>>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards
Hi Nate,
thank you so much for all the input!
And what do you think about the Nitro Team Camber? Because I am not so keen on these new Board Profiles. Is it almost like described in your Team-Gullwing Test, just with a classic camber kind of feeling? 😉 Would be a good option, as the Yes Typo and the Slash Brainstorm come like 200bucks more expensive. And the Nitro Team Camber is still pretty cheap available to shredd the mountain this year.
Thanks a lot 😉
Hi Alex
I haven’t ridden the Team Camber – just the Gullwing version. But from what I experience with other boards, that will make quite a bit of difference to the ride. It’s likely that:
1. It will feel more aggressive
2. Won’t ride as well in camber
3. Will be a little better carver
4. Will have a little better edge-hold
5. Will be less forgiving of errors and make it easier to catch an edge
6. Have more pop
7. A little more stability at speed
Without having ridden it I couldn’t say for sure and to what extent, but that would be my best guess.
Hope this helps
Hi nate I’m 5’9 190#. I’m strong intermediate. I’m mostly carving groomers. And steeps. Occasionally in trees and buttering. and I like speed. What size brainstorm should I get?
Hi Mike
Thanks for your message.
I would be weighing up between the 157 and 160 for you – assuming boot size doesn’t mean you need a wide, in which case the 159W might be the best bet, but assuming that’s not the case, then the pros and cons to the 157 and 160:
~ The 157 will be better in the trees and better for buttering, IMO
~ The 160 will be better for carving, better for bombing at speed and float better in powder
So, I think it will depend on which you are more willing to sacrifice. It sounds like trees and buttering is more occasional, based on your comments. In which case, if speed, steeps and carving is your main focus, then I think the 160 would serve you the best.
Hope this helps
Thank you so much for your quick reply. I’m a size 10 boot and I was thinking exactly what you said . I’m torn between 157 and 160. Because I might be evenly split between trees buttering and moguls opposed to bombing groomers , powder and carving. So my next question would be : is the 160 more of a pro to speed, powder . And carving opposed to the 157 being a pro to trees, buttering and moguls?
Hi Mike
That’s a great question. Hard to say really. Personally I prefer to go shorter if I’m on the cuff. But that’s a personal preference. In terms of powder, with a shorter board, it just means that little bit more effort keeping on the back foot, when in powder, but not like you can’t ride powder. Also, I can deal with shorter for carving. Probably stability at speed is the main thing. But yeah, really hard to say. I would err shorter typically, but others might be different.
Thank you Nate. Very informative. I’m gonna go for the 157 because I plan on doing more trees and moguls with this more playful board opposed to my stiff flex button t6 . I hope I can buy that brainstorm early b4 the mad rush like last 2 years thanx again and let’s pray for major snow this winter
You’re very welcome Mike!
Yeah, if you have another board for more aggressive riding, then that’s more incentive to go for the shorter option with this board.
Definitely hoping for major snow!
Hey Nate,
I’m 6’4 220 with a size 12 boot. I do basic resort riding, bombing groomers, etc. No park and rarely in the trees. Wondering if you have a preference between the Slash Brainstorm 163W and the Never Summer West 164W. Price doesn’t matter.
Thanks
Hi John
Both are great boards, IMO, and would suit your purposes well – but if I had to choose I’d go with the West. And I think it would be a little more suitable, if you aren’t going off groomer that much. The Brainstorm a little better in powder (but the West still isn’t bad in powder) – but I’d say that the West is a little better at carving and just a touch better at speed.
The other consideration is that the Brainstorm is “hybrid camber” and the West “Hybrid Rocker” meaning that the West has rocker between the feet and then camber under the feet and towards tip and tail, whereas the Brainstorm is camber between the feet and rocker towards tip and tail. This makes the West ever so slightly looser feeling – which can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on preferences. But I certainly wouldn’t say its an overly loose board – but just that little bit looser than the Brainstorm.
Hope this helps
Very helpful. Gracias.
You’re very welcome John.
Hi Nate!
Slash brainstorm vs Rossignol the one?
Which one has more pop and is more stable at high speeds?
Thanks
Hi Rob
Brainstorm more pop than the One, IMO. Both pretty similar in terms of stability at speed, but maybe the One just a little bit over the Brainstorm.
Hey Nate!
Beginner/Intermediate here. Looking to buy a 160 Brainstorm. Weighing around 77 to 83kg depending on whether im bulking or cutting in my diet. Wearing boot 10s Rulers. Height is 185cm.
Think the waist should be enough, right? Want a board for everything that is not park, because I got another board for that. So carving, pow and so on.
Also, Genesis binding for this board? Good idea or not?
Thanks!
Hi Max
Thanks for your message.
Yeah I think the 160 would be a great size for you – and the width should be all good with 10s.
Genesis will work well with this board too, IMO. You could go with anything with a 5/10 to 7/10 flex for this board and that would work well, IMO. Check out the following if you want to see more options in that range, but yeah I think the Genesis would work well with the Brainstorm (the Re:Flex model).
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
Nate,
you’re the best. Literally!
Keep rocking on, man! Hope I’ll see and recognize you one day.
Thanks a bunch
-Max
You’re very welcome Max!
Slash Brainstorm og Happy Place? Hi Nate
I have been reading most of your qualified reviews and hope you have some advice for me. Most of my snowboarding will be on the piste +70% and where jumps and playing will take place. I am not into fast boarding. So witch one to choose. I am intermediate, fast learning, 182 cm and app. 78-79 kg. The Brainstorm size would be 157 I Think, and for the happy place 156. So what do you think would be the right choice for me?
Binding for the brainstorm could be union force – would that work with the happy place?
Hi Stig
Thanks for your message.
I think the Brainstorm would be your best choice. It’s just a little more versatile and when you are off piste (assuming your other 30% is off-piste), you’ll appreciate it over the Happy Place. And it’s certainly something you can ride over jumps. If you were predominantly riding freestyle and riding in the park a lot, I would say Happy Place. You could still ride the Happy Place (especially since you aren’t concerned about riding fast) but I think the Brainstorm would be the better option overall. The 157 Brainstorm should still feel playful enough but is just a little more versatile than the Happy Place.
And I agree with your sizing – 157 for Brainstorm and 156 for Happy Place 156.
The Force would be a good choice for the Brainstorm, IMO – and it would work with the Happy Place, but wouldn’t be the ideal fit with it. Something a little softer flexing/more freestyle oriented would be a better choice for the Happy Place, IMO. Like:
>>Top 5 All Freestyle Bindings
Hope this helps
Hi Nate
Waiting for my Brainstorm 157 to be delivered this week and I go for the Union Force binding. Let there be winter again. Thanks for your advice.
Best regards
Stig
You’re very welcome Stig!
Thanks for your reply Nate! You did mention my boot size and here the real struggle has begun. I usually wear euro size 43,5 – 44,5 casual and football shoes. I bought used burton motos, which are US size 11, thus i assumed i need a wide board and large bindings (union contact). Also, after watching some ryan knapton tutorials on carves, he mentions that wide boards are better therefor, i assumed that too wide is better than too narrow. I did bought the slash brainstorm because of a good deal and because other boards i liked were sold out in the wide size i was looking for. Well after i incidentally read your boot size guide, i measured my foot and i figured out that i have 27,3 cm large feet. I then kind of panicked after i read your board size guide, went down in my basement to watch if my foot size fits the wide board size. I was glad that the slash brainstorm is more on the mid wide size, because my feet seem to match perfectly with the board on my 15°/15° binding anckle and centered stance. I think weight wise maybe the 160 slash brainstorm would have been better for me, but whatever. Now, i have the problem that i want to buy new boots, which i think will be 9,5 to 10, but i have the union contact bindings in size L. Bought them 2 weeks ago, but used them once. I could sell them, but its end of the season and i do not think i get most of my money back. Are there maybe chunky/wider boots, which could fit well into the large union bindings? Thanks a lot Nate!
Hi Theodor
Good to hear that it sounds like it’s a good width. The Brainstorm is a narrower board, so even the wide sizes aren’t too wide.
In terms of boots, I think if you end up in a 10, then the Large Union Contact Pros are going to be fine. I ride 10s, and whilst I prefer Medium for Union bindings, I can still ride the Large fine. And I think you’re most likely to end up in 10s. My left foot is 27.3cm (right foot a little shorter at 27cm) long and I can’t fit a 9.5. Everyone’s feet are different shapes and that will come into it, but I suspect that you will end up in 10s.
But if you do end up in 9.5s or if still want a bulkier boot even in 10s, then K2 and Salomon tend to have longer outer-soles. DC & Thirty Two aren’t super-long but they’re bigger than the likes of Adidas, Vans, Burton and Ride. You might also find that you fit different sizes in different brands. I find that DC & THirty Two fit me in a 10.5.
But I would choose the brand of boot that has the best fit for you, that’s the most important thing with boots.
Hope this helps
Awesome Nate, that helped a lot!
You’re very welcome Theo. Hope you enjoy the rest of your season!
Hey Nate, today i ride my new slash brainstorm thanks to your reviews! I’m 186 cm tall and my weight is 80 kg. I bought the 159 wide as i’m a beginner with 9 days on a board. I also wanna add some freestyle to it. So i hope i bought the right size. I’m absolutely amazed by this board, its the fifth board i did ride! It just feels effortless, what do you think of the slash brainstorm as a beginner board?
Thanks Nate
Greetings Theo
Hi Theo
I think the Brainstorm is ok as a beginner board. Strictly speaking I would say it’s an intermediate level board, but probably more accurately high-end beginner and up and I have had a couple of people buy this as a beginner board and report back that they really liked it. I think with 9 days on a board, the Brainstorm is fine.
And for your specs, 159 is a good length for you, IMO, as a beginner and if you want to get some freestyle stuff in there. Without knowing your boot size I can’t comment on whether I think the width is ok, but it sounds like you’re loving it, so regardless of anything else, that’s the true test!
Hi Nate,
Thank you so much for the time and energies you spend daily to provide us such reliable and precise reviews and informations about gears.
I wanted to ask you about my new possible board.
In the past ten years I was riding an amazing Ride Decade 163 Wide that still gives me a lot of satisfaction apart of the edges that are now completely done. That’s the reason why I’m looking for a renewal.
My style is Carver, groomers, when I can I love Powder and backcountry, not a fan of parks at all but I enjoy long and fast Boardercross style jumps. Definitely an advanced rider with 20 years experience.
I am 183 cm tall, my weight is around 85-90 kilograms and well.. I am a bigfoot (46 – 12US).
My options are:
Ride Higlife 162W – My best option but almost impossible to find right now.
Slash ATV 163W – A bit afraid about the supercharged stiffness and carving
Burton Custom X – Not the best considering the binding system.. I love my Ride Nitrane bindings that I would like to keep as long as they hold.
Ride Helix 159W – Different from the others but I still belive it’s not such a freestyle board as described everywhere.
Slash Brainstorm 163W – Found a great deal to get it for less than 200USD so considering the option to have a more versatile all mountain board.
Sorry for my long message.. Just wanted to have your opinion considering the amazing work you are doing!!
Thanks in advance..
Alex
Hi Alex
Thanks for your message.
In terms of length, I think sticking with something around that 162, 163 mark is a good bet, given your specs and your preferred style of riding. So, I think the lengths you’ve mentioned there look good. Maybe apart from the Helix 159W, which is maybe getting on the shorter side.
That said the Helix does have an effective edge longer than the two slash options, similar to the Custom X and just a bit shorter than the High Life. This is because of a blunted tip and tail. The downside of that is that it’s really not designed for riding powder – so when you do find it, it’s going to be harder work in there keeping your nose afloat. It’s also centered and with a true twin shape, which also aren’t ideal for riding powder. This makes it freestyle oriented, but I would say it’s an aggressive-all-mountain-freestyle board, not a pure freestyle board – and it’s still going to be great for carving up the groomers. My biggest thing would be it’s powder performance. You can check out more details on it my review below if you’d like.
>>Ride Helix Review
Unfortunately the last model Ride made for the Highlife was the 2016 model – so I can see why it would be hard to find.
In terms of width, with size 12s, I would say that you want to look at least 260mm in terms of waist width – and only that narrow if you ride with some kind of duck stance (e.g. +15/-15) if you have quite a straight back binding, then you’ll need to go wider than that again.
If you did go Helix, going with something like a +15/-15 is highly recommended, because of the asymmetry. And with a 261mm waist width, you should be fine on there.
The Highlife, if you could fine one should be fine for almost any stance (268mm waist)
The ATV and Brainstorm would be pushing it with a completely flat backfoot (263mm) but with a bit of angle on your back binding, should be fine. Same would go for the Custom X in the 162W (264mm waist).
In terms of getting on the Custom X: Current Ride bindings are, I believe compatible with Burton’s channel system (as most bindings are these days), but I’m not sure about the Nitrane’s. From what I can tell the last year they were produced was 2011 and I’m not sure they would have been making them channel compatible back then. It might be possible to get a ride binding compatible channel disc – but you’d have to do some research to see if that’s available.
Generally speaking, I would say that the ATV and the Custom X are the best for carving from this list – but the others aren’t bad at all in that area.
The High Life and the Brainstorm are the best in powder, followed by the Custom X, followed by the ATV followed by the Helix.
You can also check out my reviews of the other boards at the links below, if you’d like, for more details of what I thought of them:
>>Slash ATV Review
>>Burton Custom X Review
Hope this helps
Thank you so much Nate, I am getting things clear so i’ll probably go for one of the widest as long as my 263mm waist size Decade is still making me feel my feet digging in the snow while carving. I’m hunting for the highlife but will probably go for the brainstorm or ATV whenever I find a good deal. the good point of the atv is that it kept th same board for the last 3 years… this is making it a bargain when on sale!!
Thanks again, really helpful your suggestions!!
Alex
You’re very welcome Alex. Hope you enjoy your new board, whichever you end up with and hope you’re having/have a great season!
Hi Nate,
Thank you for the awesome reviews (I tried to post a comment yesterday but it didn’t show up so apologies if this is a repeat).
I love the park, but as my body gets older and more broken I am spending most of my time elsewhere. I am looking for a board that can handle trails , with a little bit of park time and some powder time as well. Based on your review and my price point this seems board seems like a great choice.
I wanted to get your opinion on sizing and binding compatibility:
I am 5’8” 175lb US11.5(Burton Ruler)
If I have to pick I am goofy, but I am fairly fluid on this so I ride at +18/-6 to +15/-15
Should I go with the 157, 160, or 159W?
Will the K2 Lien AT pair well with this board?
Hi Mike
Thanks for your message.
I got your other comment (all comments are moderated before being published). In case you didn’t get my reply I’ve copied it below:
Hi Mike
Thanks for your message.
In terms of length, as an intermediate rider, I would say something around 156, 157 would be good. However, in terms of width, even with 15 degrees on the back foot, I would say 257mm at the waist minimum. So, in terms of width the 159W is the best option. It’s a little longer than ideal for your specs/level, IMO – but not too far off and the 157 would be too narrow, IMO.
Hope this helps
Based on the extra info, I agree that the Brainstorm would be a good option from what you’re describing. And the K2 Lien AT would be a great match with this board, IMO.
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the advice, and sorry for the repeat messages. Do you think the Burton Process Flying V 157W would be a better option?
Hi Mike
The Process Flying V in the 157W would certainly be an option and probably a better size for you IMO than a 159W.
Some other options might be:
~ YES Standard 156 (258mm waist) – note that this is wider than the waist suggests as it’s cinched in at the waist
~ Never Summer West 157X (261mm waist)
But the Process Flying V in the 157W is definitely an option too.
If you want to check out my reviews of those boards, check out the links below:
~ Process Flying V
~ YES Standard
~ Never Summer West
Hope this helps
Love your reviews, so I figured I would ask for your thoughts on sizing on this board…
I am 5’8” 175-180lbs with size 11.5 Burton Ruler Boots. I am on the beginner side of Intermediate and I although I am goofy I am pretty fluid between goofy/regular so my usual setup is around +15/-9 to +15/-15.
I guess I am deciding between the 157, 159W, and 160… Thoughts? Much appreciated.
Hi Mike
Thanks for your message.
In terms of length, as an intermediate rider, I would say something around 156, 157 would be good. However, in terms of width, even with 15 degrees on the back foot, I would say 257mm at the waist minimum. So, in terms of width the 159W is the best option. It’s a little longer than ideal for your specs/level, IMO – but not too far off and the 157 would be too narrow, IMO.
Hope this helps
Nate,
Thanks for the dedication you put into this site! Much appreciated… I’ve been riding the 163W Brainstorm for 2 seasons. Love riding it, especially in powder. I’m in need of some new bindings & picked up the a set of Burton Cartels based on some of the info i’ve seen here. I’m mostly into the steep & deep, but want decent performance on the groomers too. I spend zero time in the park. Do you think I made the right choice, or would you go in a different direction? Thanks in advance for any advice.
Hi Brian
I think the Cartels are a great match for the Brainstorm and for the style of riding you’re describing. I would rate them a 6/10 for flex, which matches the Brainstorm very well – and they’re responsive enough for the steeps but forgiving enough for when you need to get maneuverability at slower speeds.
Perfect…That’s exactly what I’m looking for. Thanks again!
You’re very welcome Brian. Hope you have an awesome season!
HIi Nate!
What size of Brainstorm should I get. I’m intermediate rider trying to get into a bit of park and carving, basically bit of everything. I’m 5ft 7in and 145 lbs. Should I get the 151 or the 154?
Hi Dennis
I think you could ride either, but I would be leaning slightly towards the 151 for you. The 154 will give you a bit more for stability at speed and for powder but the shorter 151 will be more maneuverable at slower speeds, easier to ride in the park and better in the trees, if you go in there at all.
So, there isn’t really a bad choice here, but I would say the 151 just – partly because you’re at an intermediate level and want to get some park in there.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thank you for your reviews!
I’ve bought this badboy in 163w size.
I am 6ft3, 88kg (194lbs) 12 us feet.
riding everywhere, more inclined to pow, sometimes do pistes & jumps, rarely tricks.
will this be good? Or should I look at 161w Jones mountain twin?
thx in advance!
Hi Vlad
I think I’ve already answered this on the comment you left recently on the Mountain Twin review.
I think the 163W Slash Brainstorm would be your best bet out of the two – but the 161W Mountain Twin would work.
Hey Nate,
i`m looking for a new board this season.
I would say, i’m at the beginner/Intermediate-LVL and i wanna do all stuff, but no park.
Can you recommend this board for my skill-lvl?
For the size, i wanna go for the 159W (my stats: 178cm; 81Kg; US10,5-11)
Thanks in advance an greets from germany 😉
Sven
Hi Sven
Thanks for your message. Yes, this would definitely be suitable for your level and for the way you want to ride. It’s not for the complete beginner but it’s definitely a good board to progress with once you’re at a more intermediate level.
I think the 159W would be a good size for you too.
Hey again,
thanks for answering.
I was totally wrong with my shoesize. Just shopped at the local dealer new Boots in US10 (Mondo 280).
I could get a 2016/2017 Never Summer Snowtrooper, I think, this would be the better choice, or?
Which size you would go with?? I would say the 159 Board.
Greetings Sven
Hi Sven
The Snowtrooper would also be a suitable board for you. And given, that you have US10s now, the 159 would be a good size. You could almost consider the 156, but I think overall the 159 is probably the best size for you.
In terms of Brainstorm, if that’s still an option for you, then the 157 comes into play with US10s – you would be weighing up between that and the 160. The 160 would give extra float in powder, more stability at speed. The shorter 157 would be a little quicker edge-to-edge, be easier to maneuver at slower speeds and is better for trees and in the park (though it sounds like you wouldn’t be in the park).
Hey Nate,
thanks a lot, think i’ll go with the never summer board.
Have a good season…
Greets Sven
You’re very welcome Sven. Hope you have an awesome season too and enjoy your new board!
hey nate
thank you for taking time. Now get searching ?
the winter can come
greetings patrick
You’re very welcome Patrick. And yes, bring on the winter!
hello nate,
your help really helps me. thx!
you think with the 159 w I could make on icy days a bit faster Turns without getting Trouble with the edgehold and on pow days I would have a board which offers in the deep snow more float than the most other all mountain boards.
I am Not the biggest jibber and Freestyler ? but the most days in winter we have Bad conditions and than i would prefered the 159 w.
Greetings
Patrick
Hi Patrick
In that case, I think the 159W is what I would be leaning towards. I think it will give you enough in the powder when you get it, and would be the better option on non-powder days.
Hi nate.
Many thanks for the top experience report to the brainstorm. I would like to increase the board for a long time and I have now decided. Unfortunately I sway between two lengths.
I hope you can give me an advice.
I am 184 cm and I weigh 86 kg. my sole length is 31 cm.
To have the agility for the backcountry I would prefer the 159 w.
from the specs (86 kg!!!) for piste and pow the 163 w would fit better. Via a feedback from you I would be very happy.
Greetings patrick.
Hi Patrick
You’re definitely in between the 2 sizes and either one could work for you. The weight recommendations are just guidelines, so the 159W is still an option.
I would say you’re around that 161, 162 length, give or take 1-2cms – so both fit in the range and there are pros and cons between each size.
The 163W will offer a bit more in terms of stability at speed and float in powder.
The 159W will be a bit more maneuverable/agile, a little quicker edge-to-edge and better for more freestyle type things like jibs, tricks and riding switch.
The 163W will have a slightly stiffer feel on snow and the 159W slightly softer feeling – but only subtly.
So, you’d have to weigh up what was most important for you.
Also, I’m assuming that when you say sole length of 31cm, you mean the length of your foot is 31cm? Just want to make sure you get on the right width too. Do you know your boot size? If you could let me know that I could give you a better idea of what width is going to suit you better.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
The length of my boot is 31 cm (US 11,5).
Thank you for your help.
Thanks Patrick
Then you would fit on either the 159W or 163W, in terms of width, so which one you choose will come down to the things that we discussed in last comment.
Hi Nate,
Great review on the Slash Brainstorm! I have been looking for an all mountain board and you have certainly confirmed my board of choice. However, it’s no where to be seen, everywhere’s sold out and when i thought all is lost and to go for the jones twin mt I came across a Korean website that has one Slash Brainstorm in stock 🙂 The only thing is it’s the 2014/15 model.
I could wait and go for the 2017/18 model but the price is extortionate… The 2014/15 model is discounted half the price. What do you think? Should i bite the bullet and go for the latest model or were there not much changes from the older model.
Thanks
Stephen
Hi Stephen
The 2015/16 model was exactly the same as the 2016/17 model (except for the graphic) and I believe the 2014/15 model was very similar to the 2015/16 model as well. I think the biggest change was that they brought in extra sizes for the 2015/16 model.
So, if you can get the 2014/15 cheap and it’s in a good size for you, then I’d go for it.
Let me know if you are unsure of your preferred size and I can recommend a size for you.
The shop has 2 sizes – 151 and 154. I am 5’5, 60kg and 7.5uk boot. You reckon i can go for the 151 for better agility and control? I’ve been riding a 149 GNU board for the past years but mainly focused on piste runs and parks. I’m going to do more backcountry and POW runs now and the GNU takes quite a lot of effort on them.
Thanks
Stephen
Hi Stephen
I reckon the 151cm would be the best bet. Extra length certainly does give you more float in powder and makes it more effortless but I think that the 151cm would be a better balance. It will have more agility than the 154 and will be easier for the times you do want to take it into the park.
And you should be getting more out of the powder from it anyway than the GNU because you are adding a little bit of length and also the Brainstorm is likely more designed for powder – though that would depend on the model GNU that you have. If you know the model, let me know and I can judge better, but it sounds like it’s probably a more freestyle oriented board.
Yeah, it’s a GNU Street series so more of a jib board. I guess riding the brainstorm would be much easier on POW.
thanks
Stephen
You’re very welcome.
Yeah definitely the Brainstorm, even at the same length, will be considerably easier on pow than the Street Series.
Hi Nate, after much research between Arbor and Slash boards, your review has my mind about 95% set on the Brainstorm. I will be going to Chile in August to ride for a week and hoping for powder. I am 5’11” and around 185 lbs. what size would you recommend if I enjoy a mix of off piste and carving up groomers. Park is a bit in my past due to possibility of injury but I enjoy the occasional stroll through playing on a few of the features. I ride a 2008/2009 Burton Custom 162 right now and I am not very happy with it. Lack of riding the past few years had me catching edges randomly and the board felt long and clumsy. I was leaning more towards 157, but 160 sounds nice for staying on top of deep powder. I wear a size 10 to 10.5 U.S. so I think I can stay with the regular width. Your thoughts?
Hi Jason
Thanks for your message.
I think that either the 157 or the 160 would work but I would be leaning towards the 160 for you. Even though it’s only a couple of cms shorter than the 162 you are riding now, the Custom is a traditional camber snowboard (assuming you don’t mean the flying v version) which will feel longer and certainly be more catchy. With the rocker sections in the Brainstorm it will won’t feel as long as a Custom 160 would.
If you were going to be more park oriented I would say 157cm but since you lean more towards carving and riding powder, I think the 160 will be the better bet.
I agree that I don’t think you’ll need to go wide. I have US10s and I rode the 160 Brainstorm and width was fine. Great float in powder!
Hope this helps
Correct it is not Flying V. Helps a ton! Thanks! Now I just have to find one for sale. Would you say the Burton Flight Attendant is a close comparison?
Hi Jason
Unfortunately I haven’t seen an available Brain Storm for a while. They seemed to sell a lot at the start of the season and sold out quickly.
The Flight Attendant is a bit of a different board. I would class it as a freeride board (the Brain Storm as an all-mountain board). For a freeride board the Flight Attendant is a bit more forgiving/less aggressive – so it would be closer to the Brainstorm than some other freeride boards but still a bit different.
But it will be awesome in powder and for carving – just not as good for riding switch or for visiting the park, compared to something like the Brainstorm.
You can check out my review of the Flight Attendant at the link below if you’re interested in learning more about it.
>>Burton Flight Attendant Review
Something like the Jones Mountain Twin, Never Summer West, YES Standard, Niche Story and the likes would be a closer match to the Brainstorm.
Hi Nate, I am looking for a one quiver.
I can’t decide between the brainstorm and happy place. A lot of test say the happy place is good for all mountain too.
I am a intermediate and love presses and so. Ride 60% piste and 40 % park. Love to jumps a around the mountain at side hits and so on.
Which one would you recommend.
Best Alex
Hi Alex
I would agree that you can take the Happy Place around the rest of the mountain – but it’s just not going to be as good at some aspects as the Brainstorm. It will be better at others – but it’s definitely more freestyle/park oriented than the Brainstorm.
Specifically I’d say that the Brainstorm outdoes the Happy Place in Powder, Carving and for stability at speed. The Happy Place for riding switch and for jibbing. I’d say it’s a little better for those side hits too. But I think that the Brainstorm is a little better for larger jumps in the park.
You can check out my review of the Happy Place at the link below too to see if that will help with your decision.
~ Slash Happy Place Review
To me, the Brainstorm is more of a one board quiver than the Happy Place. The Happy Place is a bit more freestyle oriented. Still, if you don’t ride powder a lot, then it’s a close call, but if you ride a powder a fair bit, then I’d say Brainstorm over Happy Place for sure.
Hope this helps.
Hi Nate, thinking of getting the 2015 model in 157 however I’m 5 ft 7 and 73 kgs. So not sure if it will be too big. I ride a Ride wild life 158 for powder but it’s not very playful just sweet for charging. I’m experienced rider.
Cheers
Hi Frank
I don’t think that the 157cm is too far off for you. In fact, I think it would be spot on as a replacement if you were replacing the Wild Life and wanted something that would do well in powder and more for hard charging.
However, if you’re wanting to compliment the Wild Life and have something that’s a little bit more playful in your quiver, then the 154 is probably a better bet (if you have that option).
Hope this gives you something more to go off for your decision.
Hi Nate,
I’m pretty much sold on the Brainstorm as a more aggressive all mountain board. Im a little over 6ft, 83kg, size 9UK boots. I have been riding an 08 157 Gnu Riders choice for many years but last year bought a 155 Salamon Villain for snowdome / park fun.
Do you think a 157 would be best or should I go for the 160 given I have the Villain for playful days?
Cheers, Gary
Hi Gary
I think that the 160 would be a good choice for you. I rode the 160cm Brain Storm and I am literally the same specs as you – 6ft 83kg-ish and US10 boots (equivalent of UK9s). I rode on quite a soft deep snow day and I really liked the 160cm length.
I think I would prefer the 157cm if I was using it as an all conditions and as a board that I wanted to also use in the park. But as a 2nd board, I would personally choose the 160cm and use it for more powdery conditions and for when I wanted to ride fast and for steeps. Then use another board in the park.
In short, I think the 160cm would be best for your quiver to compliment the 155 Villain.
Hi Nate,
I think this board would fit my riding style/expertise perfectly but I can’t find it anywhere. Most places are out of stock. I am looking for a 154 or 157. Do you know where I might be able to find one?
Thanks,
Matt
Hi Matt
The Brain Storm seems to be a very popular board this season. I can’t find it anywhere and I can’t find a 2016 model either (which was the same as the 2017 model). Think they’ll need to make more of them when they do the 2018 model!
The closest thing I’ve ridden to the Brainstrom in terms of feel and everything is the Jones Mountain Twin – I think that’s the best option. You can check out my review on the Mountain Twin at the link below.
~ Jones Mountain Twin Review
Hi Nate,
I’m looking at the Slash Brainstorm, but concerned about sizing. I’m 6ft, 86kg with US13 (12 reduced). Normally I would go for a 161w, but it’s not an option. Would the 163w work, or is too big? I think 159w would be too unstable?
Hi Chris
Assuming you’re an above intermediate rider and don’t do much freestyle type riding, then I think that the 163W would work for you.
I agree that the 159W would be too small (mostly because of the width) for you. Ideally a 161W or 162W but I think for the brainstorm the 163W would work for you (assuming the things above).
If you are worried that it’s too long, check out the link below for more options. The Jones Mountain Twin in that list is a very similar board to the Brainstorm.
>>Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nat, thanks for responding so quickly, really appreciated. I would say I’m improving – imtermidate (not above) and have been riding a 2013/14 Venture Zelix 163w, was looking for something a little more forgiving and quicker edge to edge, so looks like the Jones is a better bet. Thanks again C
You’re very welcome Chris. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hi Nate! I see Jones Mt Twin is N2 in list, what about ultra Mt twin? As I see specs of brainstorm it’s “thick” board. I’m 63 kg, 5ft 7in and 7,5 U.K. boot size. Currently I have board with 254 waist, and it’s ok. Can’t figure out my size with brainstorm, 157 or 160?
Hey Omi
I haven’t ridden the Ultra Mountain Twin but it would likely score above the Mountain Twin and the Brainstorm based on specs and what I’ve heard.
For the Brainstorm for you, I think that the 154 would be the best size for you based on your height/weight. Both the 157 and 160 would be too long.
Hope this helps.
Hi Nate, this board looks awesome and after reading various All-Mtn reviews I think this would suit me perfectly. After checking out your size guides, it looks like a 157 would be good for me. I’m 6ft 9in and weigh about 78kg. Ability would be low intermediate (been riding for 1 week a year for the last 10 years), ride mainly on piste, few small jumps, bit of off piste pow, and wanna get into some carving. What do you reckon on the 157 length? I have found a really good deal on last year’s model but they only have 157 & 160 left.
Many Thanks & great site BTW, some really good info on here.
Cheers
Tom
Hey Tom
Thanks for your message.
You say you’re 6ft 9in. Even though weight is definitely the most important factor I think that height comes into it somewhat. So a 160 might be a better bet. What size are your boots? You might need to go for a wide version if your boots are US size 11 or up. I think the Brainstorm would be a great board for you but maybe the 159W would be the best choice – I know your deal is only on the 157 and 160 but I don’t want you to get on a board that’s too narrow.
If you could let me know your boot size, then I can make a more accurate recommendation.
Hi Nate, thanks for the reply.
Apologies. I made a typo … I’m actually 5ft 9in, not 6ft 9in! And a UK boot size of 7.5.
Cheers!
Tom
Hey Tom
I did wonder if that was a typo!
In that case then the 157 would definitely be the best size for you.
Hey Nate,
I’ve just ordered the Brainstorm in 157 as you recommended.
Can’t wait to try it!
I was going to get some new bindings also. Checked out your top all mtn list and the Cartels look awesome, I can also get them for a really good price.
Do you think these would be a good match for my board?
Looks like the M size would be correct to fit my UK 7.5 boots – Thirty Two Lashed – last years model.
What do you think?
Thanks
Tom
Hi Tom
Congrats on your purchase.
The Cartels are a great match for the Brainstorm and if you can get a good price on them, even better.
And yeah the medium size is the right one for UK7.5 boots.
Let me know how the Brainstorm goes for you after you’ve had a chance to ride it!
I love this board. As you know through our many conversations, I went through quite a bit of deliberation when deciding what to buy. Even though I’m a high beginner/low intermediate rider at this point, I can’t say enough good things about this board. It’s very forgiving, but at the same time it feels like it will respond really well when I start pushing myself to improve, like true carving and riding switch.
I can echo your thoughts on powder. I’ve only had one riding day in true powder (this past season at Mt. Bachelor) and didn’t know what I was doing at all, but when I pointed this board downhill I truly felt as though I was floating, and I didn’t have to work hard to make that happen. This is all from someone who had no clue at the time how to ride powder.
As a bonus, when I emailed Slash about stance width and binding angles, GiGi himself responded! How’s that for customer service?
Hey John
Thanks for your input. Yeah it definitely responds when you push it. Awesome that GiGi himself replied to your question!