Snowboard and binding compatibility is a really important part of finding the right bindings, for obvious reasons – getting bindings that don’t fit to your snowboard aren’t going to be very useful!
Below I will outline the 4 main binding mountain systems (2 of which are now not very common) used by snowboarding manufacturers and then show which brand’s bindings are compatible with which brands of snowboards.
The good news is that most systems are compatible with each other – and if not, you can often find base plate disc attachments that allow them to be compatible.
The 4 Main Binding Mounting Systems
Different binding mounting systems have different insert patterns. By that I mean that there are different patterns of holes drilled where the bindings are to go. These pre-drilled holes allow you to screw your bindings into your board.
Some systems will give more stance options than others in terms of stance width, angles and the position of the bindings across the width of the board.
Binding System #1: 4 x 4
This insert pattern is now very uncommon – most boards now come with the 2 x 4 pattern (or the Channel if a Burton board). The exception to this is some cheaper boards and youth boards which often still come with a 4 x 4 pattern.
The first is simply known as the 4 x 4 system. Aptly named for the two rows of holes that are 4cm apart and there are 4cm between each hole on each row. There are usually 3 holes per row.
Both the 4 x 4 and the 2 x 4 systems use 4 screws for mounting bindings.
Binding System #2: 2 x 4
The next one is the 2 x 4 system. Similar to the 4 x 4 system except that the holes on the rows are only 2cm apart. This allows for more stance width options than the 4 x 4 system. There are usually 6 holes per row.
This is the most common pattern for snowboards today.
Binding System #3: 3-Hole (3D)
All new Burton snowboards now use the channel system. However, if you buy and old Burton board it may still have the old 3 hole (3D) system.
Most snowboard brands use the first two systems (and mostly 2 x 4). However Burton has used a couple of different types. The first of the Burton systems is the 3D system.
This system uses 3 screws to mount the bindings (in a triangular pattern).
Binding System #4: Channel System
Burton’s current mounting system is the channel binding system. Bindings are attached to a track insert and then can move along the track (a.k.a. rail or channel) until they are in the desired position and then are screwed in place.
You can have virtually any stance width you want with this system. You can also move the binding up and down width ways so that you can vertically align your bindings on the board.
Your bindings also flex really well with the board because there is minimal hard contact between the board and bindings – meaning that there is virtually no dead zone.
Burton EST bindings are designed to work with the channel system but most other bindings are compatible or have an optional disc that is compatible.
Compatability
With all these different mounting systems you would think that it would be a difficult task to find bindings that are compatible with boards.
Fortunately most binding manufacturers create either universal discs that can be used on any system or they offer separate disks that you can buy to make your bindings compatible with a particular system.
Check out the table and notes below to see brand compatibility.
BINDING BRAND | 2 x 4 OR 4 x 4 | Channel (Burton) | 3D (Burton) |
Burton Reflex | ✓ | ✓* | ✓* |
Burton EST | X | ✓ | X |
Burton Step-Ons | ✓ | ✓ | ✓* |
Arbor | ✓* | ✓* | ?** |
Fix | ✓ | ✓ | X |
Flow | ✓ | ✓* | ✓ |
Flux | ✓ | ✓* | ?** |
GNU | ✓ | ✓* | ?** |
K2 | ✓* | ✓* | ?** |
Nidecker | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ |
NOW | ✓ | ✓* | ?** |
Ride | ✓ | ✓* | ?** |
Rome | ✓ | ✓* | ?** |
Rossignol | ✓ | X* | ?** |
Salomon | ✓ | ✓* | ?** |
Union | ✓* | ✓* | ?** |
Table Notes
* Arbor: Arbor bindings with their 2 x 4 mini disc (Cypress and Hemlock) are compatible with the Channel system. Those with the 4 x 4 Universal Disc (Spruce, Sequoia, Acacia, Sapling) appear not to be channel compatible. The 2 x 4 mini-discs (Cypress and Hemlock) aren’t compatible with 4 x 4 but the 4 x 4 Universal Discs are compatible with 4 x 4 as well as 2 x 4.
* Burton: You now need a separate pair of discs for Re:Flex bindings to work on 3D mounting patterns. They don’t come standard anymore. 3D mounting patterns are rather old now though and there aren’t many boards still with them. Re:Flex Burton bindings also require a separate disc for the channel, but they come with that disc in the box. You don’t have to order or buy it separately.
* Flow: As far as I can tell, all new Flow bindings are compatible with the channel, but double check if you’re looking at some of the lower end models. This wasn’t always the case though, so some older pairs might still need a separate channel compatible disc.
If you’re flow bindings aren’t compatible you might need to get their Channel compatible disc. Best bet is to contact Flow to make sure you get the right disc for your particular bindings.
* Flux: As of the 2021 models, Flux bindings now come with their “multi-disc” which is compatible with the channel (as well as 2 x 4 and 4 x 4).
For previous models, you’ll need separate discs to make Flux bindings compatible with the Channel System or 3D system.
Flux used to provide this at no charge and as far as I know they still do – but even if it costs, it’s not too much. Best bet is to contact Flux to see what you’ll need and where/how to get it.
* GNU: GNU Freedom, Cheeter & B-Real Bindings come Channel compatible but you have to get a separate disc for the GNU Pysch & B-Free. I believe they also have separate disks for the 3D system. Whether they still have those or not, I’m note sure, as that system is rather old now.
* K2: Most K2 Bindings are automatically compatible, as far as I know all of them, but always pays to double check. Some older models weren’t compatible and you’ll need to get K2’s compatible disc set. Some K2 Bindings have mini-discs which won’t be compatible with 4 x 4, but not many boards are 4 x 4 these days. But some boards now have setback inserts that require 4 x 4 compatibility.
* NOW: As of 2022 models, most NOW bindings now come with a channel compatible disc out of the box. The exceptions are the Vetta, Pro Line and NXGEN (youth) models. 2021 and prior models weren’t automatically compatible with the channel. Need to get separate discs for 2021 and prior models, but those separate channel discs are available from NOW.
* Salomon: Salomon’s universal binding discs will allow their bindings to fit on any binding mounting system including Burton’s channel system (post 2011). Most new Salomon bindings come with the universal disks – the Salomon website says “available with all bindings $149 & up” which is a large majority of their bindings. At time of writing they only had one pair that was less than $149.
* Rome: Most new Rome bindings come already compatible, but some of the lower end models don’t and some older models don’t. If you’re getting new high-end Rome bindings, you should be good for the channel. For 3D you’d have to see if you can still get a conversion disc.
* Ride: Ride’s new bindings (as of 2021 they brought out a whole new line A-10, C-10, A-8, C-8 etc) are all compatible with the channel. Some older model bindings are but some aren’t and you may need to get Ride’s convertible disc set to make them compatible.
* Rossignol: As far as I know none of these are compatible with the Channel and I couldn’t find any disc converters for Rossignol bindings – doesn’t mean they don’t exist but maybe harder to find. Best bet is to contact Rossignol before buying to make sure.
* Union: – Union bindings come with either a mini disc or universal disc – Union Mini discs only work with the 2 x 4 and the channel system and won’t work with a 4 x 4 mounting pattern – but these are the 2 most common systems nowadays, so unless you have an older board you should be fine with this). Note however, that some boards now have setback inserts that require 4 x 4 compatibility. Union bindings that have the universal disc are compatible with 4×4, 4×2 and the channel. If you have 2014 or older models, on some models, you may need to get separate discs (if you can find them) to use with the Channel, so it pays to double check if yours are that old.
** As boards with the old 3-hole (3D) mounting pattern become less and less common, binding companies will be less likely to accommodate this pattern in their discs – so if you have a board with a 3-Hole (3D) pattern it pays to double check with the binding manufacturer that the bindings you are looking at will be compatible or have a conversion disc available that will make them compatible. The same goes with 4 x 4.
Summary
A majority of boards will have some version of the 2 x 4 pattern these days unless it’s a Burton board, in which case any new board will come with the Channel system.
If you have or are getting an older board you may end up with something with a 4 x 4 pattern or a 3-hole (3D) pattern, but you’ve got to go pretty old now to get that. Most 2 x 4 discs can accommodate 4 x 4 (but not all – e.g. mini discs can’t go with 4 x 4).
Burton’s old 3D system is being accommodated less and less as these boards slowly drift out of circulation – so you probably want to double check to see if the bindings you are getting are compatible if you have a board with a 3-hole (3D) pattern.
If the brand of binding that you are interested in is not in the table above, or you are not sure if the particular model is compatible, it is best to contact the binding manufacturer directly. They will know if their bindings are compatible or if they provide a disc accessory which makes their bindings compatible. Most should have one or the other but it pays to check.
Thanks for reading
Thanks for reading and I hope this has helped with your research into the right snowboard bindings.
If you have any questions or comments please use the comments section below.
If you want to learn more about how to choose the right snowboard bindings, check out the following page.
>>How To Choose Snowboard Bindings: Sizing, Type, Style & Compatibility
Just a note, Arbor bindings DO NOT work on Channel system boards.
Hi Jack
Thanks for your message. The Cypress and Hemlock do. I haven’t tested any other Arbor bindings. Which is why I added an Asterix and a note to say that they should be double checked in case some didn’t. On further investigation it seems the 2 x 4 mini disc is compatible but the 4 x 4 Universal disc isn’t – the Cypress and Hemlock both use the 2 x 4 mini-disc and the Spruce, Acacia, Sequoia and Sapling all use the 4 x 4 Universal disc. That disc, by the sounds of it, from what you’re saying, may not be channel compatible. Is it the Spruce that you have? Thanks for pointing this out and I will make a note of it in the post.
Hi Nate,
If a binding’s disc is compatible with both 2×4 and 4×4 mounts, how would the way that it is mounted change the way the board rides (if it changes it at all)? I have a pair of Rome bindings that could be mounted 2×4 and 4×4. Would mounting it 2×4 just give slightly more slightly lateral play over mounting it 4×4?
Cheers!
Hi Danny
Thanks for your message and great question.
I think it probably would give it a little more lateral play. But I imagine it would be pretty subtle. If it was like a urethane disc or a more flexible disc (which I know Flux used to offer a more flexy disc, but don’t know if they do anymore) it would make more of a difference, but with most discs being pretty rigid, I don’t think it would be a huge difference. Certainly, IMO, wouldn’t make as much difference as a mini disc does, because in that case the whole disc is smaller, not just where the disc is mounted. But there’s a good chance that there is subtly more play laterally, setting up that way. Rome’s discs are what I would call semi-mini – they’re smaller than the average disc, but not as small as other mini-discs (which is why they can do both 2×4 and 4×4. If it interested you, these are the disc diameter figures I measured from some 2024 bindings I tested.
Flux: 10.5cm
Burton Reflex: 7.9cm
Union Universal: 8.8cm
Union Mini-disc: 6.5cm
Rome: 7.2cm
Salomon: 8.8cm
NOW: 8.5cm
Jones: 8.5cm
Ride: 7.2cm
Flow: 8.9cm
YOU’RE AWESOME NATE!
I suspected that there wouldn’t be much difference when mounting 2×4 vs 4×4. Thank you so much for the disc diameters, it really helps put things into perspective for me. I think I’ll definitely try a smaller disc for my next pair of bindings.
Cheers!
You’re very welcome Danny. Hope you have a great season!
Does anyone knows if the 3D disc that Burton sells separate will be compatible with another brand, for example to use that disc in a Union Binding or Bataleon Bindings?
Regards!
Hi Nicolas
I would say it’s unlikely as discs tends to be different sizes with different brands. Pretty sure a Burton disc won’t fit in Union. Haven’t tried Bataleon bindings, so not sure there, but it’s not super likely. If anyone knows for sure re Bataleon bindings, feel free to chime in.
Hi Nate,
I have a splitboard with Voile interface system. I ride that with hardboots.
But I would also like to mount my standard snowboard soft-binding with a 4-hole disc to it. Just to use it for normal snowboarding in softboots.
Are you aware of adapters or interface systems that make it possible?
Thanks,
Manfred
Hi Manfred
Thanks for your message.
I don’t delve into the splitboard world really, so I don’t have any knowledge of the Voile system or if there’s anyway to mount regular bindings to it, unfortunately. Hope you’re able to find something.
Hi Nate,
I just bought the rossignol battle 22 (M/L) bindings and i consider to buy the salomon pulse snowboard (2022).Are they compatible?
Thank you in advance!
Hi Chris
Thanks for your message.
Yes, the Pulse has a 2×4 insert pattern and Rossi’s Battle bindings are compatible with 2×4 and 4×4.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate!
Been looking all season for a new snowboard, bindings, and boots. I’m currently thinking of buying a Yes Hello, or Yes Emoticon with burton scribe reflex bindings. Does that combo work? Also, I’m around 5’3 and 145 pounds, and I’m thinking of getting a 149
Thanks!
Hey Iris
Yes, the Burton Scribe Re:Flex is a good match, IMO for either the Emoticon or Hello.
Size-wise, I think 149 is spot on. I wouldn’t go longer than that, but for both those boards, I think those sizes should work well.
I received some Burton Channel mounts instead of 4×4 from eBay. Can I still use them safely? I did a wheelie test and I had no issues and the mounts seemed to securely hold the bindings in place with only 2 screws each since only 2 holes lined up at a time.
Hi Justin
If you’ve got a standard insert pack on your board and channel discs and you can only screw in 2 holes, I wouldn’t take the chance. Hard to say for sure, but I think it would be risky and would get the 4 x 4 disc. Screws come loose all the time and whilst you should regularly check that screws are tight, we don’t always remember at least when you have 4 screws, there’s less chance for all 4 of them to become loose enough before you notice the bindings getting loose. With 2, there’s a greater chance that if one gets loose that the bindings could rip off the board after a screw has loosened over time. For a one off test, it’s probably going to be OK, but that gradual loosening could cause issues.
Hi,
Thanks for the insights.
So is the Burton binding reflex compatible with Rossignol 2×4 or not?
/= compatible or not?
Thanks for clarifying!
Happy Day!
Hi Jan
Yes Burton Re:Flex is compatible with Rossignol 2 x 4. / = a check mark. I really should add in a check icon for those, but haven’t had the time.
Hi,
Can I use burton lexa EST bindings on Salomon lotus board? It looks they will fit only chanel system but I’m not 100% sure🤷🏻♀️
Hi Jo
Thanks for your message.
Unfortunately Lexa EST (and any EST binding) won’t mount to the Salomon Lotus. You’re correct that it will only mount to a board with the channel system – i.e. Burton or Endeavour. If you were able to get the Lexa Re:Flex model (Burton’s Re:Flex models fit any snowboard), then you could mount that on the Lotus.
Hope this helps
What year did Burton change the width of the channel? I just bought step one but they would not fit my 2009 vapor.
Hi Phil
Thanks for your message.
Not sure the exact year they changed the width of the channel, but it was after 2009 – I want to say it went to 8mm for the 2013 or 2014 models, but don’t quote me on that. If you contact Burton they might have compatible hardware. I imagine the new hardware that came with the Step Ons won’t work, but have you tried using the old hardware with the Step Ons? No idea if that would work. The old Channel system was before this website’s time, so I haven’t had any experience with boards with the old 6mm channel.
Hi Nate,
Hope all is well. I have purchased a board and boots that are sized perfectly but still lack bindings. The board is a 159 burton process, the boots are size 8 K2 boundaries. I was wondering what bindings you would recommend for this setup? I was considering the following; Burton Cartel X Est, Burton Malavita EST, Union Contact Pro, Union Force, Union Strata.
For reference, I want to eventually get into park, but I am currently learning to ride more switch and carve a bit.
Thanks in advance!
Hi Andrew
Thanks for your message.
The best match to your board, IMO would be the Burton Malavita EST, Union Force or Union Strata. The Cartel X could work but it’s on the stiffer end for that board – still in range, but I certainly wouldn’t go stiffer than them on the Process. The Contact Pro are the other way around, just on the slightly too soft side, IMO. Again, not so soft that they would be wrong for the Process, but just a little. Given that you want to get into park at some stage I would go either Malavita EST or Strata. Go Malavita EST if you’re happy to have bindings that will only work on the channel system. If not, then either the Strata or Malavita Re:Flex.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi! I am buying the union Juliet bindings with a pair of Burton limelights Boa. I plan on sizing up to a 6.5 but am worried that they could still be too small. Because of this should I go ahead and get a size medium in the union bindings that work for 7-8.5 or actually get the small binding.
Hi Amanda
Thanks for your message.
I’ve seen a 6.5 (my tester for women’s gear last year wears a 6.5) work fine in Union Medium. So, even if you ended up in the 6.5 I think you’d get away with the Medium. Also likely you’d get the 7 into the small (though no guarantees). If you were certain you were getting into a 6.5, then I’d be erring small, but since you may end up in a 7, I’d go medium – as it should accommodate the 6.5.
Hope this helps with your decision
Could someone help please so I just bought a burton custom kids 145cm and it says reflex only but I have est bindings do you guys think they would be fine because of the channel or no?
Hi Jay
Thanks for your message.
I’ve never bought a Burton kids board with the Channel, but if it has the Channel, then it’s strange that it says Re:Flex only and I’m guessing EST bindings should work fine – unless the Channel on kids boards is different somehow. But it would seem odd to me, if it is a different Channel. Where does it say Re:Flex only on it?
If anyone else knows more about kids boards, your input would be apprecaited.
Hi there I have a burton Cruzar board and it comes with the 3D hole pattern. And I was given the nitro staxx pepper bindings as a gift. They had a different disc for a different pattern so I bought a different disc and I just wanted to see if it could still work
Hi Will
Thanks for your message.
Hard to say without having it in front of me. I don’t currently test Nitro bindings either, so I haven’t had any experience with them. If the disc isn’t specifically compatible with 3D, it’s unlikely to work. But you could try and see if the holes match up. You could check this out to see if it helps. Someone talks about drilling an extra hole. I haven’t tried this, nor can I give you any opinion on whether it’s a good idea or not, but you might find something useful in there, if you you’re current disc doesn’t work and can’t find a 3D compatible disc.
Hello Nate,
I am trying to narrow between the Union Force, Union Strata
Burton Cartel , CArtel X and Malavita.
I am intermediate rider not trees, blues and blacks.
Want on the stiffer side. Not beginner soft
Hi Fi
Thanks for your message.
Can you please let me know the board you’re riding. Getting the right match to your board is important.
Nate, great reads and advice! I need some advice on what bindings I should get for my son and his 2019/20 salomon craft board. Was thinking about Burton Missions or Union Flite Pro and something you may think is better suited for his riding. We ride trees mostly, not much park and but groomers as well. And as always, where’s there is pow, we are there. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Cheers from Colorado
Hi Nick
Thanks for your message.
I think the Missions would be a really good match for the craft and what you’re describing. The Flite Pro might be a bit too soft flexing. The Union STR would do the job as well.
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate! I’ll check out the union str’s as well.
I’m planning to change my old Flite Pros with a little bit stiffer and responsive bindings. Knowing that my riding style is all-mountain & freeride and the current level intermediate which one from Burton Malavita & Union Atlas will be better option?
Hi Boris
Thanks for your message.
Since you’re more leaning freeride than freestyle I would be leaning Atlas. If you were more all-mountain-freestyle, then I’d say Malavita, but in your case I’d go Atlas.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate
My son has a ltd addition mtv Beavis and Butthead Burton board. We are struggling to find what bindings can be used as nowhere has pictures of this board. It has 14 holes x 14 holes narrowly placed in centre of board? Board is 150×50094
Any help or advice will be greatly appreciated.
Hi Sam
Thanks for your message.
Without a picture it’s hard to tell. Sounds strange that the holes are all in the middle. Does it look like the one here in terms of insert pattern? That just looks like a classic 4 x 2 but it’s hard to say for sure. If you wanted to take a picture and send it that would make it easier. Just send me a message via the contact page here. You won’t be able to add an attachment there, but just send me a message via that and when I reply, you’ll be able to reply with an attachment. If you could also measure the distance between the holes both vertically and horizontally, that would help too.
Hi Nate,
I just bought a Burton Stylus Board 2019 or 2020 I believe from sport chek, it has the Channel system. They have some 2019/2020 K2 bindings on sale I want to buy but it doesn’t say if they would work with channel or not. Do you know? I would assume that because they’re only a year old that they would but I can’t return them if they don’t work out
Hi Kristina
Thanks for your message.
If it’s the K2 Cassette (which I think are the only women’s K2 2019/20 bindings on there I can see), then yes they should be compatible with the channel. As far as I know all K2 bindings from that year are compatible with the Channel.
Hope this helps
My son just purchased a new burton board with the channel system. He has burton bindings with the 3D type of format. What mounting plate does he need to buy to make those bindings work with that board? Thank you!
Hi Sue
Thanks for your message.
They might work with the channel discs that come with Burton Re:Flex bindings, but I’m not sure as I have no experience with old 3D bindings. I think the best bet is to contact Burton and they should know if there’s anything to make them compatible and if there is, they should have it or know where to get it.
Nate,
What would be your advice for bindings to consider for US 12 Adidas Tactical ADV boots. Looking at soft/mid flex. For casual mountain riding trying butters and side hits with some park time on the lower features. I keep going through reviews for specific and finding difficult to whittle down. Was leaning towards the Arbor Hemlock but read the highback isn’t connected to the heelcup, so really difficult to centre the larger boot, is this true? I know you haven’t reviewed it but board I am liking the sound of is the Bataleon Fun Kink.
Any help you can send me would be greatly appreciated.
Hi Will
Thanks for your message.
Not sure with the Hemlock. I ride 10s and rode the M/L and had no issues boot centering, but they were setup pretty good as they were. And I believe you can adjust the heel cup to an extent. There are certainly screws there to indicate that it does (see image below). And the toe ramp does extend as far as I can tell – but you need a screwdriver to do it, it’s not tool-less. Again, I didn’t need to adjust it myself but there is a screw there indicating that you can.
I haven’t ridden the Fun Kink, so I couldn’t say how accurate their flex ratings are, but assuming mid-soft is an accurate description of it’s flex, then I think something like the Hemlock would match well with it.
If you’re still concerned about boot centering on the Hemlock, check out the following for other options, in a similar flex range.
>>Top 5 All Freestyle Bindings
Hope this helps
Incredible thanks for the such quick reply. I was very tempted by the union contact pro’s but just I’m able to get the Hemlocks at such a good price where I live. Decided to go for the Hemlocks and looking forward to getting out on the snow.
You’re very welcome Will. Hope you have an awesome season and the Hemlocks go well for you
Nate I have a a ride 2016 machete with six hole binding system…do i need to buy new discs to fit my burton cartel bindings?
Hi Andrew
As far as I know the 2016 Machete has a standard 2 x 4 insert pattern. There will be 6 holes in each row, but the 2 x 4 refers to the fact that the holes are 2cm apart horizontally and 4cm apart vertically. So long as you have Burton Cartel “Re:Flex” bindings you should have no issues mounting to that pattern. With the Cartels you should have received both “4 x 4” discs – which are compatible with 2 x 4 and 4 x 4 mounting patterns and “channel discs” which work with Burton’s channel system.
If you had the “EST” Cartels there wouldn’t be discs at all, so I’m guessing you have the “Re:Flex” models, since you mention discs.
Hope this answers your question
Hey,
You’ve got a great site with loads of info I really value. Question I have is that my (old) bindings are from Quicksilver and they are 4×4, the metal plate is afixed to the boared and there is an ‘easy change’ plate on top that allows for angle rottation without tools, you just lift up a little half circle and readjust your stance.
I bought an old Burton board that has 3d binding settings. Do you know where, or if it’s possible to get a new mount for 3d so I don’t have to buy new bindings? I live in Canada, so stores up here would be prefered.
I tried calling quicksilver and they had no idea what I was asking for.
Hi Amy
Thanks for your message.
I’m not familiar at all with Quiksilver bindings – TBH I wasn’t even aware that they made bindings. I’m guessing they haven’t made them for a good few years? So, I’m not sure if there would be a disc to make them compatible with an old 3D Burton or not. Sorry I couldn’t be more help
Hi Nate tha Great!
I’m thinking of getting the Yes Emoticon.. I’m 5’3 125lbs haven’t purchased a board since my Rome Vinyl in 2005. Do you have a suggestion of bindings to pair w/ it?? I have Mission bindings w/ the Vinyl, but think I want to get women bindings this time around. Also do you think the 146 would be a good length? Thank you for your expertise!
Hi Kim
Thanks for your message.
I would go with something from one of the following lists. Something with a flex of 4/10 or 5/10 would suit this board best, IMO. Most of the bindings from the following 2 lists will be in that flex range.
>>Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Note: You probably know this, but just to make sure – if you go with Burton make sure you go with the Re:Flex model (they have both EST and Re:Flex models for their bindings but EST won’t be compatible with the Emoticon).
In terms of size, I would be weighing up between the 143 and 146 for you and leaning towards 143. But if you can let me know a few things and I can give a better recommendation between those two sizes:
1. What is your boot size?
2. What is your ability level (e.g. intermediate, advanced, expert)
3. What is your style of riding (i.e. do you ride park, powder, just groomers, like to butter? rails/boxes? trees? jumps? etc) – what does a day on the mountain usually entail
4. Finally, what size is your Rome Vinyl?
This extra info will give me a better indication of the best size for you.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I am a 6’1”Aussie @ 91kg bone dry( nude). I get confused with weight factor. Are the suggested numbers fully clothed or birthday suit numbers?
Last season this below average 57 year old boarder purchased a burton fish . I didn’t like it. So I am looking at a flight attendant now with my missonbindings. Looking for groomers and powder.
Love to hear your thoughts!
Hi Pete
Thanks for your message.
Weight suggestions are usually, as far as I’m aware, based on your birthday suit numbers. Everything I’ve heard is that it’s based on your weight without gear. That’s not to say that some brands might be different but as far as I know that’s the case.
So for you, given it sounds like you’re an intermediate rider who likes to ride groomers and powder and no park, then I’d say something around 161, 162 would be a good length. So for the Flight Attendant, the 162 would be a good size for you, IMO, assuming around size US10.5 boots or less. US11 or up and I’d say the 162W would be more suitable. There are some cases where an 11 might also get on the 162 but would need more info to determine that.
Flight Attendant definitely a good option for both groomers and powder. I would say that the Fish is more of a powder board and that the FA is better on the groomers, particularly for things like carving and speed, but almost as good in powder. The FA is quite advanced board also though and its stiffer than the Fish. It’s not what I would call super-stiff, but a bit stiffer than medium – 7/10. But yeah, I would say certainly going to be a better board on groomers, IMO (though I haven’t ridden the Fish so can’t make a first hand comparison). You can read more about my take on the FA at the link below.
>>Burton Flight Attendant Review
Would go fine with Mission bindings, IMO – I guess my only concern is whether it’s intermediate appropriate (making the assumption that that’s your level)
Hope this helps
Hey there!
Just wondering if you would happen to know if a burton genie (2013) that has 3D mount patterns would happen to fit the K2 yeah yeah (2016) bindings? I was recommended both by a friend but she isn’t an expert and I want to make sure the two would make sense together.
Thanks in advance!
Hannah
Hi Hannah
That board and those bindings would make a great combination, especially for a beginner to intermediate rider. If you’re a bit more advanced than that, then there are probably better options but for that level, this is a great combo.
As far as I know the 2016 Yeah Yeahs will fit on a 3D mounting pattern so should be no issues there. The Yeah Yeahs have K2s MC disk which are compatible with 4 x 4, 2 x 4, 3D and channel.
Thanks so much! Can’t wait to get everything ready for this season, I’ve been renting for a while so that’s why I wanted to double check that everything I am buying works together haha. I’ll let my friend she’s more knowledgeable than I thought 🙂
You’re very welcome Hannah! I think you’ll definitely enjoy the difference of having your own gear.
It looks like you noted that Burton Disc/Re:Flex are not compatible with the Channel – they are.
• Traditional Discs Bindings may need an adapter disc, but depending on the year would come complete with a universal disc.
• Re:Flex is compatible with the Channel out of the Box
Oops!
You’re right. Thanks for pointing out the typo! Will fix that right away.
Hi Nate
I have a Rossi District 155 board…and I need to add binding. I’m thinking about getting the burton cartel (flex not EST). Will these fit on the board? I’m going to install them myself and since I live in Asia, I’d like to not have to return something to the US that doesn’t fit my board.
Also, I’m a female, wear US size 7.5-8..so I was going to get the Burton Cartel size S. What do you think?
Thank you for your help!
Hi Andrea
Yes the ReFlex model of the Burton Cartels will fit on the Rossi District no problem.
And yes, the small versions would fit your boot size best.
However, have you considered going for a female specific binding? Just that they do make them specifically so would likely be a better fit for you. Also, the flex of the Cartel’s probably isn’t ideal for the Rossi District. It’s not too far off but the cartels are a little stiffer in flex and it’s a good idea to match flex of bindings and board – or at least to get close – if one is going to be stiffer, then it’s better to have the bindings stiffer, but even so, I think the Cartel’s would be slightly too stiff.
I would say District has a 4/10 flex rating and the Cartels a 6/10 flex rating (bordering on 6.5/10).
For the Burton line up, I would say go with the Scribe or the Escapade as a good match for the District – or even the Stiletto if you wanted something a little cheaper. As long as you get them in the ReFlex model all of these will fit on the district.
Also, to clarify, when you size US size 7.5-8 I just wanted to confirm that you mean Women’s US 7.5-8.0. In which case, then for the women’s Burton bindings you should be a Medium.
That’s what I would suggest, but if you want to stick with the Cartels, then yes they will fit on the District (provided you get Re:Flex model) and go for the Small size.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Quick question, do the t-nuts (aka channel inserts) come with a new burton board?
I have Flow NXt2 bindings which are channel compatible (so I have the right disks and screws) but was not sure if I would be missing the insert that fits in the channel and receives the screw (if that makes sense). I’m also ordering the new board from EVO so not direct from Burton so am not sure what to expect.
Thanks!
/Sam
Hi Sam
That’s a good question. I assume that they would either come with your board or with your bindings if they are channel compatible. But this is just an assumption as I haven’t bought a Burton board new before. I would say Burton would send you some for free if you asked them, but I imagine you will want everything ready to go for when your board arrives.
I think they should be with one or the other but I will ask around and let you know
Hi Sam
Apparently the channel inserts won’t come with the board. These should come with the bindings if they are compatible with the channel system. But like I say if you don’t have them with your bindings, I imagine that Burton would send a pair through for you.
Hey Nate,
I’d like to contribute a bit of information that I had trouble figuring out when I bought my Union bindings last year. I think it should be accurate but maybe somebody can confirm.
– The Union Mini Disc is compatible with 2×4 and The Channel, but NOT with 4×4, 3D or any older patterns.
– I think their “All New Disc” and “Universal Disc” are different names for the same thing
– They’re the standard disc size and compatible with 2×4, 4×4, The Channel but NOT with 3D
– I even managed to use them on my old Lamar board from 1997 that still has this old circular insert pattern (don’t remember the name). I used the single 4×4 insert the middle of the circle.
– To mount a Union binding on a Burton 3D board you can use a 3D compatible disc (such as the Burton Unidisc) and combine it with your binding. I tried this with a 2002 Burton Cascade 159 and a 2016 Union Contact and it worked without issue.
Cheers,
Felix
Hi Felix
Thanks for the info. And thanks for adding to the post. I didn’t think about the Mini Discs not being compatible with 4 x 4 – I haven’t ridden too many boards recently with 4 x 4. I will update the post – thanks for the extra info.
Hiya Nate,
I took your advice and bought the YES basic 155 for my first board, can’t wait to try it!! As my budget is fairly smashed I’m going 2nd hand with boots and bindings . There hasn’t been a great deal of selection, but I’ve ordered some RIDE Orion 2013 boots as they say they have a soft/medium flex which you suggest for beginners …should I re sell them and go for something else? Im hoping they fit ok and can pad them with foam if needed. My main question is wha bindings should I be looking at to suit the YES basic and the Ride boots? Or shall i just keep trying to hunt any ratchet soft flex bindings? Many thanks, Im flying to Geneva March 11th, so a little time in case I’ve mucked up my purchases! Cheers, Jim.
Hey Jim
Great choice with the Basic. I think the Orion boots will be fine for you so long as they are in decent condition and that they fit well. They’re probably something you would want to replace once you’re more advanced – but they are a nice forgiving boot so they will be good for learning in. As long as they fit well and are in good condition I think you should stick with those for now.
In terms of bindings, there are some pretty reasonably priced and decent quality bindings out there that are well suited to beginners. If you can get something that’s past season then even better. Check out the link below for some options. Let me know if you want a longer list of options.
The following 3 would be great options and looks like they’re available at blue-tomato if you’re based in the UK.
~ Union Flite Pro
~ Burton Freestyle
But check out the list below for more options.
~ My Top 5 Beginner Bindings
In terms of sizing, different brands have different sizing, so check out the next link for sizing for different brands – if you’re not sure about sizing, let me know your boot size and I can recommend a size for you.
>>Snowboard binding sizing
Hope this helps
I got the Rome united bindings and I have a burton 3d board. Where do I find the conversion discs?
Hi Kevin
The place where I found them before are sold out but I’m sure you can find them somewhere. I think your best bet would be to contact Rome. They should know where to get some conversion discs or may have some themselves.
Hi Nate,
Could you offer me some advice? I just bought a pair of Ride Rodeo bindings, but the Microdisk of their Infinity chassis does not fit the Burton 3D system. Any chances that this can be fixed with an alternative base plate? If you could point me towards it, that would be much appreciated! I haven’t been able to find one (yet) myself.
Thanks!
Harm
Hi Harm
Yeah unfortunately their Infinity Chassis use a micrdoisc and doesn’t come compatible with the 3-hole mounting system – their other bindings do.
I’m unsure if there is a compatible minidisc that you can get to make them fit with the Burton 3D system. I think your best bet is to message RIDE. They will know for sure if it can be done and where to get the parts you’ll need (they may even be able to supply you with them?).
Ride Snowboards Contact
Hope this helps
hEY ! I just bought some Ride Revolt bindings with 2×4 micro discs. I got a new board with them, Ride Control V2 2017 ( in the description the site said it has 2×4 inserts ) .. to my surprise the board has 4×4 inserts .. Can i make them work ?? i called the shop they said “just split the washers from the 2×4 bindings” but that seems a bit unorthodox.. help pls !
Hi Andrei
I’ve never even heard of the Ride Control V2 and can’t even see it on their website. Are you in Europe? Maybe it’s a Europe only model? Still, it’s strange that it would have 4 x 4 and their bindings not be compatible. There must be a disc that you can get that makes them compatible.
Since your board and bindings are both Ride I think the best bet would be to contact them – try here – Ride Snowboards Contact – and ask them what to do – they’ll hopefully send you a disc to make them compatible, given they are both RIDE products
Will the cartel bindings fit on the ripcord board because the technician can’t seem to figure out how to make it fit? Both Burton products
Hi Lisa
The Cartels should fit on the Ripcord. Though if one or the other is a really old model, then no guarantees that they will. If they are both newer models, then they should definitely be compatible.
It’s likely that the Ripcord is using the channel system. If your Cartels are the EST model, then they should fit easily. If you have the Burton Cartel Re:Flex, then you may need to get an adapter disc to fit on the channel system. I think the newer Re:flex models come able to fit the channel out of the box but some older models you may have to get a different disc – you should be able to get one from Burton if you contact them.
Nate..hey man, I recently got a 93/94 Noah Salasnek pro model (The Nub) without bindings…
None of the comparabilitys are close to what mine look like…
I have a pair of k2 sonic bindings, obviously dnt fit, is there a way to put these 2 together? Help..
Thanks,
JT
Hi Justin
Thanks for your message. I hate not being able to help people out but I don’t think I can really offer any advice on this one. I wasn’t even snowboarding in 93/94. I managed to find an image of a Sims Noah Salasnek pro model 93/94 and the insert pattern is not one that I’ve come across before. Not familiar with it at all.
It might be a case of needing to find bindings of a similar era if you can.
Where did you even find a 23 year old board!
Maybe you could try contacting Sims and/or K2 and seeing if they know of any solutions? Sorry I couldn’t be more help
Hi,
Do you know of anyone making an adapter plate for the old Burton Bone In sytle bindings?
I’d like to use my newer bindings on my old boards.
Hi Dano
I think your best bet would be to contact Burton directly about this. They will either have something that will fit your situation or know someone who does. In my experience Burton are very good at responding so I would go direct to them. If you can give them the specifics – i.e. model of boards and model of bindings that you are wanting to pair up, then you should get an answer faster.
Burton Contact
Hey, thanks for the great article and many inputs. Hope you can help us out.
My sister bought a Burton Oasis binding which came with a ICS/4×4 combo plate, after she was gifted an older Burton Cruzr board with 3D inserts. Now we ordered a 3D ReFlex disc online, but it seems that it does not fit the binding. We have an older 4×4 Disc from a Burton Cartel Binding, which is more massive than the ReFlex disc, and here the notches seem to fit better.
Is it true that between the older 3D and the ReFlex, the inside dimentions of the discs changed also? Are the two not interchangeable?
Hi Jan
Thanks for your message. Burton, in my opinion, are at the forefront of snowboard bindings and are always improving their technology. But with that also comes compatibility issues. You’re most likely to run into compatibility issues with Burton and it’s one of the prices you pay for better tech. But I feel your frustration here!
I’m not sure I know the answer to your particular problem but you could try this. I take it that you bought the 3D ReFlex disc as you have mentioned in your comment – and it might well be the case that this isn’t compatible with older Burton bindings. You could take a look at the 3D disc (non reflex) and see if that fits.
I think it will work but no guarantees – to be sure you could try contacting Burton and asking them. You should be able to return the 3D ReFlex disc you bought I’m guessing.
Sorry I couldn’t be more help – hope this was some help.
Hi, I’ve just been given a burton board with burton bindings but it is missing the disc. Is the disc essential for safe riding ?
Hey Kris
Yeah the disc is definitely essential. You won’t be able to attach the bindings to the board without the disc. I am assuming that you are referring to the disc that the screws go through? What type of Burton Bindings do you have?
You should be able to get a replacement disc from Burton or an online snowboarding store.
Hi Nate,
I was just wondering, because I just bought a new board and new bindings, and completely forgot that not all bindings fit the same. Do you happen to know if Burton Mission bindings fit on a Ride Agenda 2016 model. I don’t want to try to attach the two if they’re not compatible and end up breaking something.
Thank You
Hey David
The Burton Mission bindings will fit on the Agenda fine so long as you have the Burton “Re:Flex” Mission bindings. If you have the Burton “EST” Mission bindings then they won’t fit and you should get them exchanged for the Re:Flex model.
Hi Nate,
I’d like to buy an Arbor Coda Rocker it is 2×4, now I’m in trouble because there are a lot of options and I don’t know which of the bindings work with the 2×4. Could you help please?
Hi Barna
Thanks for visiting.
2 x 4 is compatible with pretty much everything so you can go for practically any of the major binding brands. Just don’t buy Burton’s “EST” style bindings because they will only work with Burton boards with the channel system. If you go with Burton make sure to go with the Re:Flex model.
Hello Nate, I have purchased a Sabrina Royal RC 143cm Girls Freestyle Snowboard Rocker and searching for bindings. I have not had much luck getting info from seller so wondering if you would know if Snowjam 540 Ladies/Girls Snowboard Bindings that has approximately 39.68 mm hole pattern spread would be suitable.
Thank you in anticipation,
Cheers
Jay
Hi Jay
I have to admit I know very little about both Sabrina boards and snowjam bindings. My best suggestion would be to contact Snowjam – Sales@Snowjam.Com – and ask them about it.
Sorry I couldn’t be more help
Hi,
Do you have any suggestions for those who use Burton bindings (newer cartels) but need more than the provided 3 adjustment hole settings?
Thanks
Hey Bill
Thanks for the message. If you can give me more details about your situation then I’ll see if I can give you any suggestions.
Are you using your cartels on a 3-hole burton board or another brand’s board? You should be able to get 4-hole discs to go with the Cartel’s in place of the 3 hole discs if that’s the case.
Hi,
I am using 2015 cartels on a Lib Tech 4×4 pattern, but need more heel/toe position options. The Burton discs only have 3 holes sets to choose from and I’d like more, such as the Union discs without having to buy a whole new set of bindings.
Thanks
Hey Bill
You should be able to get 4 hole discs that fit with the bindings. If they didn’t come with those discs then it might pay to contact Burton and ask where you can get 4 hole discs that fit your Cartels.
If you haven’t already you could try turning the 3 hole disc on its side so that the holes are vertical. There should be angle marking right around the outside of the disc so that you can do this.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate, I have one question.
Do you know if Santa Cruz bindings would be compatible with burton discs, or any other manufacturer?
Kevin
Hi Kevin
I’m not that familiar with Santa Cruz bindings but I imagine that they would either come with discs that are compatible or you would be able to get compatible discs. Don’t quote me on that though. I have contacted Santa Cruz to clarify this to make sure.
Hi Nate,
Nice article.
Just missing the predecessor of the Burton channel system seen in the Uninc boards circa 2001 to 2007 ish.
These had a single row of inserts along the middle if the board.
I guess any non-Burton disc that is compatible with channels would also suit these.
Bob
Hey Bob
Thanks for the input. Forgot to mention the channel predecessor, thanks for bringing it up. I’m not that familiar with that system so I’m not sure if discs compatible with the channel system would also fit that old system. But I think they would be.
If anyone knows feel free to comment.
These guys are great if you have any binding/board compatibility concerns. Fix My Binding
Hey Ross
Thanks for that putting up that resource. Good to have a place where you can find all the bindings parts in one place.