The following are what I consider to be the best all mountain snowboard bindings for men for the 2018/19 season.
These bindings are rated on their ability to handle everything – the groomers, the park and the backcountry and riding any style – but they have a more of a freestyle focus than the all-mountain-freeride list (see link for that at end of post).
Of 19 different all-mountain bindings that I rated:
OK here’s my top 5.
ALL-MOUNTAIN BINDING #5
Bindings: Flux DS
Price: View More Info and Current Prices Here
Smart rating score: 84.9/100
Flex: Medium (5/10)
Kicking off the list at # 5 are Flux’s DS bindings.
The DS’s have the butterability of softer flexing bindings but also manage to have the response of a stiffer flexing binding – so you really can ride freestyle without compromising too much on responsiveness for when your bombing and carving up the mountain.
These bindings, typical of Flux bindings also have awesome adjustability and it’s all tool-less (apart from the base plate disc, of course) so you can adjust just about everything on the fly.
I rode the 2016 model of these bindings for the best part of 2 seasons (after buying a pair) and they’ve stood up to everything I could throw at them. So in terms of durability they are tough too.
Check out the video below for more on the DS
Score Breakdown for the DS
FACTOR | rating (OUT OF 5) | contribution to final score |
|---|---|---|
Responsiveness | 4.0 | 16/20 |
Board Feel | 4.0 | 16/20 |
Shock Absorption | 2.5 | 7.5/15 |
Adjustability | 4.0 | 12/15 |
Comfort | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
Ankle Support | 5.0 | 10/10 |
Entry/Exit | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 84.9/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BINDING #4
Bindings: Burton Cartel
Price: View More Info and Current Prices Here
Smart rating score: 87.1/100
Flex: Medium (6 out of 10)
And coming in at #4 we have Burton’s Cartel bindings.
The Cartel's are very versatile bindings that can compliment a wide range of different types of boards.
They will match with pretty much any board you put them on – maybe not the best on the very stiffest boards or the very softest boards but otherwise they’re versatile enough to handle everything in between (which is most boards out there).
They have a nice medium flex, bordering on medium-stiff, good board feel and great shock absorption that will allow you to still ride the park if you want to. But they won’t stop you from carving up the groomers or exploring the backcountry either.
Check out the video below for more on the Cartel’s
Score Breakdown for the Cartel
They come in Burton’s Re:Flex (which fits standard 4 hole systems as well as the Burton’s Channel system) and in an EST version (which only fits Burton’s Channel System). Both systems provide great board feel but you get a little bit more board feel with the ESTs but sacrifice a little in shock absorption and comfort.
Cartel Re:Flex
FACTOR | rating (OUT OF 5) | contribution to final score |
|---|---|---|
Responsiveness | 3.5 | 14/20 |
Board Feel | 4.0 | 16/20 |
Shock Absorption | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
Adjustability | 4.0 | 12/15 |
Comfort | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
Ankle Support | 4.0 | 8/10 |
Entry/Exit | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 87.1/100 |
Cartel EST
FACTOR | rating (OUT OF 5) | contribution to final score |
|---|---|---|
Responsiveness | 3.5 | 14/20 |
Board Feel | 4.5 | 18/20 |
Shock Absorption | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
Adjustability | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
Comfort | 4.0 | 12/15 |
Ankle Support | 4.0 | 8/10 |
Entry/Exit | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 86.0/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BINDING #3
Bindings: K2 Lien AT
Price: View More Info and Current Prices Here
Smart rating score: 91.9/100
Flex: Medium (6 out of 10)
Next on the list, at #3, we have K2’s Lien ATs.
They offer the ideal flex, response and board feel for tackling everything the mountain has to offer from the park to the backcountry and have great boot support and easy and abundant adjustability.
What’s unique about Lien ATs is that they feature K2's Tripod tech with interchangeable pods. You get 3 sets of these pods and you can put in different sets depending on the kind of flex you’re going for – there’s a softer set, a mid set and a stiff set. For 2019 the pod at the heel is larger and not really a pod anymore.
These bindings will work with virtually every type of board and are compatible with almost every board out there, so if you’re looking for one set of bindings for your whole quiver, then these will do a great job.
The Lien ATs are designed to fit any snowboard (2×4, 4×4 or Channel).
Check out the video for more on the Lien ATs
Score Breakdown for the ATs
FACTOR | rating (OUT OF 5) | contribution to final score |
|---|---|---|
Responsiveness | 3.5 | 14/20 |
Board Feel | 5.0 | 20/20 |
Shock Absorption | 4.0 | 12/15 |
Adjustability | 5.0 | 15/15 |
Comfort | 4.0 | 12/15 |
Ankle Support | 4.5 | 9/10 |
Entry/Exit | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 91.9/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BINDING #2
Bindings: Union Strata
Price: View More Info and Current Prices Here
Smart rating score: 92.5/100
Flex: Medium (6/10)
At #2 we have the Union Strata. These bindings are new for 2019.
Like most Union bindings the Strata are lightweight and their response is a little better than their flex would suggest.
And since the Strata use a mini-disc, they get that great Union mini-disc board feel as well. They're the perfect middle ground between the Contact Pro and the Falcor - providing a very versatile binding that can transcend styles and accommodate a wide variety of different boards.
The Strata’s are compatible with 4 x 2 binding hole patterns and the channel system.
Check out the video below for more on the Strata
Score Breakdown for the Strata
FACTOR | rating (OUT OF 5) | contribution to final score |
|---|---|---|
Responsiveness | 4.0 | 16/20 |
Board Feel | 5.0 | 20/20 |
Shock Absorption | 5.0 | 15/15 |
Adjustability | 4.0 | 12/15 |
Comfort | 4.0 | 12/15 |
Ankle Support | 3.5 | 7/10 |
Entry/Exit | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 92.5/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BINDING #1
Bindings: Burton Genesis
Price: View More Info and Current Prices Here
Smart rating score: 93.0/100
Flex: Medium (5/10)
Not as responsive as others in this list, but what they fall behind in, in response, they make up for in every other category.
Outside of response the Genesis are near perfect. Easy butterability, great shock absorption and a nice versatile medium flex. They are lightweight and super comfortable (helped in equal parts by the 2 part hammock highback, super conforming straps, their awesome shock absorption and a canted footbed).
Basically, if you’re after something mid-flexing and super comfortable, like you're not wearing anything at all, you can’t go wrong with the Genesis.
Check out the video below for more on the Genesis
Score Breakdown for the Genesis
Like most Burton bindings they come in an EST version, which fits Burton’s Channel System and the Re:Flex version (which fits standard 4 hole systems as well as the Channel system).
Genesis Re:Flex
FACTOR | rating (OUT OF 5) | contribution to final score |
|---|---|---|
Responsiveness | 3.0 | 12/20 |
Board Feel | 5.0 | 20/20 |
Shock Absorption | 5.0 | 15/15 |
Adjustability | 4.0 | 12/15 |
Comfort | 5.0 | 15/15 |
Ankle Support | 4.0 | 8/10 |
Entry/Exit | 4.5 | 4.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 93.0/100 |
Genesis EST
FACTOR | rating (OUT OF 5) | contribution to final score |
|---|---|---|
Responsiveness | 3.0 | 12/20 |
Board Feel | 5.0 | 20/20 |
Shock Absorption | 4.0 | 12/15 |
Adjustability | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
Comfort | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
Ankle Support | 4.0 | 8/10 |
Entry/Exit | 4.5 | 4.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 89.8/100 |
Over to You
Thanks for reading and I hope this list has helped you to find the best all mountain bindings for you. If you’re interested in any of the above bindings check out the links under each binding for more info.
UPDATE:
Note that these are what I consider bindings that can do a bit of everything and are more freestyle oriented than freeride bindings. You could almost think of this list as being all-mountain-freestyle bindings.
I have created a new category of all-mountain-freeride bindings, which covers those bindings that are in between these all-mountain-freestyle bindings and freeride bindings.
Check out the link below for my top 5 all-mountain-freeride bindings list if you think this is more what you are looking for.
feelthhis says
May 6, 2015 at 5:55 amHow would you compare the flex between Lien AT and Burton Genesis? Is there much of a difference?
Nate says
May 6, 2015 at 7:15 amHey.
Not much difference, if any, in flex between the Lien AT and Genesis. Both rated a 6 out of 10 (with 10 being the stiffest you can get). These are of course rough estimations and can differ between brands but I’d say you wouldn’t notice the difference between them – not in terms of flex.
Both a nice medium flex for all mountain riding if you like to do a bit of everything.
Hope this answers your question.
feelthhis says
May 6, 2015 at 4:44 pmIt does answer. Thank you Nate!
Chris says
January 20, 2016 at 8:16 pmNo Union bindings made the cut? That’s very surprising when I see soo many people riding them, every shop and online site carries and sells them, and their pro team has got probably 3 of the top 5 snowboarders in the world. Probably 8 out of 10 too if you count woman? The contact pros, the atlas, the ultras…. All 3 are pretty extrodanary binders. I’d like to see the rest of the list. I’m real curious about the nitro phantoms and machines. I’ve always wanted to try a pair but nobody I’ve seen demos or sells them. Then there’s Rome… The Katanas and 390 Boss binders are pretty bad ass. Or they at least claim to be the best in the bizz. Cool article though. Would love to see your top 15-20. Did you personally ride all these binders? Is so, for how long in each pair? Thanks, Chris
Nate says
January 21, 2016 at 3:06 pmHi Chris
I definitely rate Union bindings and have some in some of my other lists e.g. top freestyle bindings, freerdide bindings, women’s bindings etc. You can check out some of those below.
In terms of what I consider all-mountain bindings, I did actually have the Union Force in at number 5 but since trying the Flux DS that took it’s place – so the Union Force would come in at number 6 here. I also used to have the Union Factory in the list but they haven’t made 2016 models of those.
I consider the Ultra a freeride binding rather than an all-mountain binding and I haven’t tried the Atlas but hopefully can sometime this season. I’ve heard good things about them and they may be the natural replacement for the Factory. They discontinued the Atlas after 2014 but brought it back for 2016.
I try to ride bindings for at least 1 day, more if I can and on more than 1 board if I can.
Might extend this out to a top 10 but 15-20 is a bit much and will get into some not-so-good bindings. Over my beginner, freestyle, freeride and all-mountain lists there a total of 20 at the moment. If you want to check out some of the other lists you can check them out at the link below.
~ Bindings Top 5’s (scroll through the pages to see all of them)
Thanks for your input,
Nate
Guillaume says
March 7, 2017 at 2:27 pmI had the Katana this year and I never had this much problem with a pair a binding. They are cool but always lose because the nuts lock doesn’t work and I have difficulty to respect the garanty from Rome. Soooo my advice don’t buy Rome.
Nate says
March 7, 2017 at 3:42 pmHi Guillaume
Thanks for your input and sharing your experience with the Katanas. Since I only ever get the chance to demo bindings for a day or less typically, I don’t get the opportunity to test durability or other issues like this, so it’s good to get info like this.
Justin says
September 21, 2017 at 2:32 pmHi I have the Nitro Phantoms and they are pretty solid for 2 seasons but scratch easily and the foot bed looks cool and comfy with the air pads/ similar to nike shoes air pockets. The issue is the footbed or canter moves forward too easily while riding and slides back so your foot is canters above the edge of the board on one run or flush on another. Its poor design in my opinion. Has anyone tried NOW IPO bindings? They look sick and have a cool king pin feature like a skateboard truck.
Union is the truth and I rode the K2 Lien ATs which have a real nice board feel.
Adrian says
February 7, 2016 at 6:47 pmHi,
This is all very helpfull, thanks!
How would you rate the K2 formulas compared to this list/ the K2 Lien AT?
In terms of flex and responsiveness?
Nate says
February 7, 2016 at 8:59 pmHey Adrain
I would say that the Formulas probably feel slightly stiffer and slightly more responsive. But definitely don’t have the same kind of board feel as the ATs. You don’t get the same sort of binding to board one-ness – if that makes sense. And also they don’t feel quite as comfortable or shock absorbing.
But if your not that worried about butterability or shock absorption then the Formulas are a good option. In my rating system they scored 78.5/100.
Hope this answers your question.
Sean says
August 25, 2016 at 11:47 amHey man,
Thanks for your post. Would you say there is a noticeable difference between Flow Fuse GT and Cartels in terms of buttering ability?
Would the hybrid version of the Flow Fuse GT solve the boot support problem?
Nate says
August 26, 2016 at 8:16 amHey Sean
I haven’t tried the hybrid version of the Fuse GT so I’m not sure but it could possibly improve boot support.
For me the Cartels butter better. Burton bindings do typically have great butterability because of the way they flex with the board. The EST version have even better butterability but if you go with those you’d have to have a Burton board with the Channel system. The Re:Flex version still butters really well though.
Sean says
September 20, 2016 at 4:13 pmWhich binding would you recommend for the Burton Flight Attendant? I won’t be in the park.
Nate says
September 21, 2016 at 11:40 amHey Sean
I’d definitely go with bindings that are medium-stiff flex to start with. The Flight Attendant has a medium stiff flex so it’s good to match to the board if you can. If you want to go with Burton EST bindings then the Cartel EST or Malavita EST would be good bets. If you don’t want to go Burton for your bindings for whatever reason, then you could check out my post of the top 5 Freeride bindings. These are stiffer than all mountain bindings.
But personally I would get the Cartel’s for it. When I demoed the 2017 Flight Attendant at the start of the year I demoed it with the Cartels and it was a really nice match.
Just make sure you get the EST Cartel’s so that they fit the channel system on the board. Burton Re:Flex models won’t fit the channel system. Most other brands will come with something that makes them fit the channel system.
Nate says
September 21, 2016 at 1:48 pmActually Sean, the other option which is probably ideal (if you were going for Burton) might be the Genesis X – this is basically a stiffer version of the Genesis. It’s quite pricey – that’s the only real downside – otherwise ideal. The Cartels and Malavitas still good options too though, especially if you can’t/don’t want to spend as much.
Note: I haven’t demoed the Genesis X – but if it’s like the Genesis only stiffer, then I think it would work really well with the Flight Attendant
Dave C. says
September 22, 2016 at 9:49 amHi Nate, thanks for the update w/ 16-17 All mountaineer bindings. I am an all mountain rider and am in the market for new bindings. I have fallen in love with the speed entry style binding for their speed and ease. Do you have any recommendations for speed entry style binding? I have been riding on Flow NXT series and though I love the simplicity of this product, it’s been my discovery that the Flow products don’t hold up as well as I wish they would. Any alternative in the market that you’d recommend? Thanks much!
Nate says
September 22, 2016 at 2:55 pmHey Dave
I used to own speed entry bindings and whilst I did like the speed that you could strap in with (especially when riding with skiers), I just never found they had the same support as traditional strapped bindings. Others do swear by them but I have to confess that this is one part of the industry that I’ve largely ignored recently so I don’t know that much about it. I really liked the strapping in standing up thing – and then I learned to strap in standing up with traditional straps and never looked back.
The Flow Fuse GT was the best that I tried a couple of years back in terms of an all-mountain speed entry binding.
The best alternative to Flow if you want speed entry bindings is GNU. They’re pretty much the only other ones that are still doing speed entry. I haven’t tried GNU bindings but I’ve heard some people say they prefer them over Flow – but others are the other way around.
Sorry I couldn’t be more help on this one. Think I will revisit speed entry bindings once/if they start providing the same performance as their normal entry counterparts.
Dave C. says
September 23, 2016 at 9:58 amThanks for your thoughts & info Nate. Very much appreciated! 🙂 – Dave
Nate says
September 23, 2016 at 4:49 pmYou’re very welcome
Steven says
February 18, 2017 at 9:28 pmNate, Would you consider reviewing GNU? I’d love to get your thoughts on a speed entry. I think the technology between them and K2 are a few steps ahead of Flow. I know it’s not a market you’re exploring but would love to hear your thoughts on it.
Nate says
February 19, 2017 at 1:59 pmHi Steven
I was actually considering demoing some speed entry bindings (GNU and Flow) this season. I’ve had quite a few requests for it and I haven’t ridden speed entry for a good few years now. So if I can get my hands on some GNU bindings to demo this season I think I will. Not sure when that will be though.
Enzo says
September 25, 2016 at 3:28 pmFlow NX2s, because I would rather be snowboarding than screwing around trying to get my boot in and buckling up.
Jeff says
October 26, 2016 at 2:54 amlooking for new bindings for my 2015 Neversummer ripsaw board, more all mountain than freestyle. thinking Burton Cartel or Genesis. What is your thought?
Nate says
October 26, 2016 at 1:44 pmHey Jeff
For the Ripsaw I’d go with the Cartels. They will match the flex of the Ripsaw better than the Genesis. That’s not to say that you couldn’t use the Genesis – it’s a very versatile bindings and would do a great job. But for what you want and for the board you have the Cartels are a slightly better option in my opinion.
timbo says
November 24, 2016 at 1:05 amI’m in the very same situation as the OP. Same preference too.
How about the Genesis X for the Ripsaw. Wouldn’t that be a nice fit?
What would you expect to be the difference in handling-wise?
I love to ride aggressive but like to dial it back a bit e.g. at the end of a long day.
I think Burton rates them as the stiffest bindings in their line up and I never tried
a setup like this before. (went from Mission to Cartel)
Nate says
November 24, 2016 at 7:46 pmHey Timbo
I’d say the Burton X-Base is the stiffest in their line. But those are like over 500 dollars! Genesis X would be the next stiffest though.
I’d say they’d go well with the Ripsaw. You’ll get a big more response out of them compared to the Cartels and Missions and the Genesis without the X. They’ll respond quicker to allow you to go faster from edge to edge. I’d say they’d be a great match to the Ripsaw – if you can afford to pay the extra dollars for them.
They’re definitely for aggressive riding. Won’t be as good as the Genesis or Cartel’s for dialing it back at the end of the day but you should still be able to dial them back somewhat – and in the parts of the day that you want to ride aggressively they’ll be the better tool for the job for sure.
timbo says
November 26, 2016 at 5:05 amThanks a lot!
Nate says
November 26, 2016 at 8:11 amYou’re very welcome!
Nadi says
October 29, 2016 at 7:05 pmHi Nate,
Thank you very much for your insightful review! I noticed that you don’t mention any ride bindings and was wondering if there was a reason for that? I have personally been a fan of Ride bindings for quite some time and was looking and the Rodeo and El Capo for my husband. Do you have any info in these? Thanks so much!
Nate says
October 31, 2016 at 9:55 amHi Nadi
I like Ride bindings too. The only reason there aren’t any on this list because the ones that I like aren’t in this category.
The Rodeo’s I consider to be freestyle bindings. Though that’s not to say you can’t use them for other purposes – they are quite versatile – but in choosing a category they were a closer match to freestyle bindings.
You can check out my top 5 freestyle bindings at the link below (the Rodeo’s are in there).
>>Top 5 Men’s Freestyle Snowboard Bindings
The Capo and El Hefe bindings are also nice – with the El Hefe being more of a freeride binding (a good one at that) and the Capo being the closest to fitting on this list but I’ve decided to add a new category this year – All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings. These are bindings part way between all mountain and freeride. So, whereas the bindings on this list roughly fit into a flex rating of 5 or 6 out of 10 (medium) and Freeride bindings tend to have a flex of 9 or 10 out of 10 (stiff), the all-mountain-freeride category will have bindings with a rating of more like 7 or 8 out of 10 (medium-stiff). That’s where the Capo will fit. Not sure whether they’ll make that list until I’ve nutted it out.
In terms of whether to go with the Capo or the Rodeo would depend on how your husband likes to ride. If he likes to ride more freestyle (rails, boxes, jumps, spins, grabs etc) but still likes to ride the groomers as well, then the Rodeo’s would be the best pick.
If he’s more into riding at speed, doesn’t really do much freestyle, then the Capo’s would be the better choice. You can check out my review for the Rodeo’s at the link below. I currently don’t have one for the Capos.
>>Ride Rodeos Full Review
Hope this helps
Nadi says
November 1, 2016 at 10:43 amIt does! Thanks so much!!
Pete says
October 30, 2016 at 12:45 pmHi Nate
I am looking at the slash brainstorm board. Do you rate this board and what bindings would you suggest. Also sizing I am 6ft and about 105kg should I go for the 159w or 160.
Nate says
October 31, 2016 at 10:36 amHi Pete
Any of the bindings in this list would be a good match for the Brainstorm.
I definitely rate the Brainstorm! As you can see here. and here.
In terms of size for the Brainstorm I would say the 160 if you have size (US size) 10.5 snowboard boots or below. The 163W would probably be better than the 159W if you have size 11.0 or above.
Hope this helps
Nick says
November 3, 2016 at 12:22 amHi Nate,
Purchased a Banana Magic HP last Spring and am now looking for new bindings. The board is mostly used for all-mountain (hardpack and occasional pow). Looking at the Burton Malavita, Genesis, and Genesis X. My last Burtons lasted over a decade so price is not an issue. Any thoughts?
Nate says
November 3, 2016 at 1:36 pmHi Nick
All of those would do the job well but the Genesis X would be your best bet, IMO. If price isn’t an issue then I’d definitely go with the Genesis X. You get all the good things of the Genesis but with more response.
Nick says
November 3, 2016 at 9:43 pmThanks much!
Eric says
November 14, 2016 at 7:06 pmHi Nate,
I’m looking for bindings to pair with the 16/17 Arbor Westmark board (rocker version). Your review really helped me narrow down options to K2 Lien AT, Burton Genesis and Union Contact Pro. I’ve been doing freeriding for years but would like to learn the park tricks which is why I got the Arbor Westmark to start with as my old board is too stiff for freestyle newbies. I would still expect to be able to ride all over the mountain with this new board though. Any thought on the bindings is greatly appreciated!
Nate says
November 15, 2016 at 7:51 pmHey Eric
I would go for the Genesis or the Contact Pro for the Westmark.
In my opinion the Contact Pro is about the best freestyle binding going around. But the Genesis is probably the most versatile bindings and would be just as good for freestyle riding as the Contact Pro but will be a little better for the rest of the mountain. Contact Pros are considerably cheaper.
The Lien ATs would also be fine but I think the other two would do the job that little bit better. Then there’s also the Lien FS (which stands for freestyle that are great freestyle bindings.
Hope that helps
Eric says
November 15, 2016 at 8:06 pmThat’s really helpful! Thanks Nate!
Jason says
November 24, 2016 at 6:08 pmHi Nate,
What would you pair with the GNU ECO EC2 Impossible? I just bought this board with the Union Ultras but haven’t ridden them yet. I’m reading reviews on them and though they are a great binding Im thinking I might not have chosen the right binding for this board.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Jason
Nate says
November 24, 2016 at 8:01 pmHey Jason
I would pair the GNU Eco Impossible with anything on this list really, including the Ultras. Unless you’re a beginner. If you’re a beginner they might be a bit difficult to ride. Otherwise, I think they’re a good match. I rode them with the Capita DOA. Now whilst the DOA is a more aggressive board than the Eco Impossible, it’s still somewhat freestyle oriented.
From the feel I got from the Ultras I would say they’d go well with the Ultras. You won’t know for sure until you get them on the hill and ride them for yourself – but I think they will be an awesome combo – 2 very nice pieces of equipment independently, IMO – and they should get along well to make a good pair.
Chet says
November 29, 2016 at 7:54 pmGood write up. Found some good info here I didn’t know about. Could you recommend a good quality binding to pair with the 2017 niche aether. Something good for everything and if possible on the lower end of price. Budget is around 200-250. Thanks
Nate says
November 30, 2016 at 3:10 pmHey Chet
Thanks for your message.
Anything on this list would be suitable – but if you were to buy the latest model of any of these they would all be over 250. If you can find one of them in a 2016 model you should be able to get some of them for under 250.
Some under 250 bindings that almost made this list are as follows:
~ Burton Mission Re:Flex
~ Union Contact
~ Flux RII
If you want to see if you can find 2016 models of some of the others on this list check out the links below to get started.
~ evo outlet store
~ the-house outlet store
Hope this helps with your search.
Chet says
November 30, 2016 at 3:45 pmThanks for the reply and the links. Is there any advantage or disadvantage between the burton missons and the union contacts? Thanks again
Nate says
December 1, 2016 at 3:09 pmHi Chet
I’d say that the Missions have a bit more of a firm boot support. Otherwise there’s not much between them. The Mission’s ever so slightly better overall but not much in it. The Contacts are cheaper though. Both companies are pretty consistent across their line of bindings, even their more low cost ones.
Matt says
November 30, 2016 at 11:33 amI have a new 2017 Arbor element rx. Having trouble deciding a binding to buy and its getting to crunch time for the good part of the season to start. I go all over: bomb groomers, love the woods, boost any natural feature I see, hit a rail here and there, just starting to throw 360s. What are you best suggestions.
Nate says
November 30, 2016 at 3:34 pmHey Matt
Honestly, I think anything on this list is going to do what you want. These bindings were picked for this list for their ability to do everything and go everywhere. And they’d go well with the Arbor Element (IMO).
Just make sure if you go for either of the Burton’s that you get the Re:Flex model and not the EST model.
If you think you’ll need extra response for the woods and when you’re charging hard, then the Flux DS, Union Ultra or the K2 Lien AT might be your best bet but yeah anything here will definitely serve you well.
Chet says
November 30, 2016 at 11:47 amhey Nate,
Thanks for all the good info! Would love your opinion on a set of bindings to match my new 2017 niche aether. I am just starting to explore the freestyle aspect of all mountain. Also my budget is around $200.
I am would love something i can learn in (small jumps, butters etc.) with enough room for me to grow into them. Thanks in advance and keep up the good work. Noobs like me need all the info we can get.
Thanks,
Chet
Nate says
November 30, 2016 at 3:37 pmHey Chet
You’re very welcome.
I think I answered this in my last comment but let me know if you have any other questions or if the last response didn’t answer your question fully.
Ben L says
December 10, 2016 at 12:54 amHi Nate, loving the reviews, really helpful!
What would you recommend as a ‘do it all’ binding for the Burton descendant? I was thinking genesis or cartels..especially after reading your reviews 😉
Thanks
Nate says
December 10, 2016 at 4:06 pmHi Ben
I would go Genesis over Cartels for the Descendant. But that said both would do a great job but I think the Genesis for that board is best.
Other options would be the Union Contact Pro. I think those would go well with that board if you wanted to go more freestyle oriented.
But I think the Genesis would be ideal as a do-it-all binding for that board.
DJ89 says
December 13, 2016 at 8:04 amHey Nate,
3 questions.
1. Wouldn’t the Cartels be (atleast on paper) be more responsive than the Genesis considering they are stiffer?
2. Do you have any idea what’s the difference between the Cartels 2017 and the Cartel Ltd 2017. I love Star Wars but I’m mostly wondering if theirs a performance difference.
3. What would you advice me Cartel 2017 or Genesis 2016.
The prices are pretty much the same for these 2 at my local shop.
60% Groomers , 30% Off-Piste and 10% Park
Nate says
December 13, 2016 at 6:44 pmHey DJ
Thanks for your message.
1. Typically speaking the stiffer the binding the more responsive – but it’s not always that simple. I found the Cartels had about the same response as the Genesis. I’m not sure if it’s the hammock highback on the Genesis or ankle support or what it is. Some bindings just manage a bit more response than their stiffness suggests (and some less).
2. I haven’t ridden the Cartel Ltd but I think it is supposed to have a bit more performance. Maybe a slightly stiffer highback and overall a bit more response – but like I say I haven’t ridden it and can’t say for sure. But I think it does have some performance advantages – not just star wars!
3. Personally I would go for the Genesis 2016 – but it’s pretty close. If it was between the 2016 Genesis and the 2016 Cartels, then I would be even more in favor of Genesis but they have made some improvements for the 2017 Cartels. But I still think the Genesis 2016. I think both will be very similar with groomers and off piste but the Genesis will be a bit nicer in the park. Again, if you spent more time in the park, then I would lean even more towards the Genesis but since it’s only 10% park, then it’s a close decision.
Long story short, I think both would be great options and you would get great bindings in the Cartels, but I’d still lean slightly towards Genesis even in the one year older model. I can’t comment too much on the Cartel Ltd but I’m making an assumption that would offer a bit more performance than the standard Cartel. \
Hope this answers your questions and helps with your decision.
DJ says
December 14, 2016 at 12:53 amThanks Nate!
Well seeing my shop just sold out on that last pair of Genesis, I put in my order for a Cartel LTD. The Star-Wars-Fanboy in me just couldn’t pass up on it. Now let’s hope they perform aswell as a normal Cartel and even better.
Nate says
December 14, 2016 at 5:26 pmHey DJ
That made the decision easier! Hope you like the Cartel LTDs. Let me know what you think of them once you’ve had a chance to test them out.
Andy says
December 18, 2016 at 4:19 amHi Nate
I’d like to get your thoughts on pairing a Jones Mountain Twin with Cartels and Genesis X please. Thanks very much for the reviews above.
Nate says
December 19, 2016 at 3:21 amHi Andy
Even though the Genesis X is the better pair of bindings, I would go with the Cartels but only just.
The Genesis X are stiffer (medium-stiff) and I wouldn’t normally necessarily pair them with the Mountain Twin (medium flex), but they are good bindings for matching with different flexing boards so they would work for sure. But the Cartels (medium flex) are probably are a better match and you save some dollars.
Andy says
December 19, 2016 at 4:05 amG’day Nate
Appreciate you taking the time. Makes sense and you’ve helped a lot. Have a good Christmas mate!
Cheers
Andy
Nate says
December 20, 2016 at 9:54 amThanks Andy
Glad I could help!
Hope you have a great Christmas too!
Roger says
December 19, 2016 at 10:10 pmHi Nate,
I love the site!
I used to ride in Europe and started with race boards (hardboots) and eventually switched to stiff softboots and freestyle boards. Ignored the winter hobby for a long time but this year dusted off my Salomon W5 164 with the SP5 bindings but couldn’t find boots anymore. Went out and got the 2015 Burton driver X in a size 10 which is perfect. I generally would consider myself all-mountain. Mainly running groomers maybe slide into pow on a run here and there but never hit the park or pipe. Stance if fairly narrow at 20.5 but still playing with that as well as the setback. I’m 6′ @ 220lbs. Anyway the bindings don’t seem to fit the boot all that great so I’m looking at the Burton genesis or genesis X.
Would love to get your input on the stance width, setback range you’d suggest along with which binding you’d recommend.
Nate says
December 20, 2016 at 9:53 amHi Roger
If you prefer things on the stiffer side – and it sounds like you do – and to better match with the Driver X which are very stiff boots – then I’d say Genesis X over the Genesis, just because they’re a good bit stiffer.
In terms of stance width (and I’m 6’0 too) I like around 560mm (22″) for all-mountain/freeride style riding and 580mm (22.8″) for the park/freestyle riding. Since you aren’t into the freestyle side of things I imagine you wouldn’t like anything wider than 560mm. Since you have quite a narrow stance now, what I’d do is move out to 560mm and see how that feels. If you decide you like the narrower stance better, then compare your 20.5″ with something like 21.5″ if you still like your narrow try 21″. If you prefer the 22″ stance, then try a 21″ compared to the 22″ and see which you like better between those 2. I find it’s easier if you go to each extreme and then work your way in until you find the sweet spot.
In terms of setback, I’d say do the same thing – experiment. Typically, and for me, if you’re not in the powder that much, then a setback of 20mm (3/4″) or less is usually preferred. Over 20mm (3/4″) is better if you are in the powder more.
Hope this gives you something to go off. For bindings also check out my all mountain-freeride bindings and freeride bindings lists at the link below. I think these would be more your style – The Genesis X is in there and I think these would be a great option for you, but just in case you want other options check out the link below.
~ My Top 5 All-Mountain Freeride Bindings
~ My Top 5 Freeride Bindings
Roger says
December 20, 2016 at 9:26 pmAwesome thanks! I came across your site researching the Driver X actually and went through your site top to bottom and even as someone who considers himself an experienced rider, I definitely was surprised how much a little different insight could help.
Nate says
December 21, 2016 at 1:48 pmYou’re very welcome.
I’m glad the site helped. Hope you have an awesome season!
DAVE H says
January 2, 2017 at 7:18 pmHey Nate,
I have the 2016-17 Yes. Greats board and I was wondering if I should get the Genesis, Genesis X or Malavitas. What do you think? I’d like to have a setup for most of the mountain.
Thanks!
Nate says
January 3, 2017 at 2:17 amHi Dave
I think that the Genesis would be the best fit for that board. The Genesis X is probably a bit stiff for the board and the Genesis, in my opinion are better bindings than the Malavitas.
Horia says
January 3, 2017 at 11:46 amHey Nate,
I want to know you opinion about which bindings should i choose for a GNU SPACE CASE SNOWBOARD 2017. I’m thinking on Burton Cartel or Union (2017), K2 Lien AT 2017, Burton Genesis 2016 (2017 are a little too expensive for me).
80% Groomers , 10% Off-Piste and 10% Park
Thanks.
Nate says
January 4, 2017 at 1:54 amHi Horia
I think any of these would work with the Space Case. I think that the Genesis would be the best option (even the 2016 models which are very similar to the 2017 models) for the Space Case out of those, with the Lien AT a close 2nd and Cartels still definitely being a great choice for that board and where you spend your time riding.
In terms of the Union Ultra (which I assume you are talking about – your comment says Union (2017)) they would also be a good fit with the Space Case and potentially the best option for you considering you are 80% groomers, but they are quite pricey – more than the Genesis, so they are probably out of your price range, if the Genesis 2017 are too expensive for you. Or did you have other Union bindings in mind?
Hope this helps with your decision.
Steve says
January 7, 2017 at 11:59 amHey man,
I have a gnu hi 5 Canada deck… what bindings would you recommend for this set up?
Thanks
Nate says
January 7, 2017 at 2:02 pmHi Steve
I’m not that familiar with the GNU hi-five but based on the specs, I’d say anything from this list or from the following list would be suitable:
~ My Top 5 Freestyle Snowboard Bindings
Hope this helps
Casey says
January 27, 2017 at 11:26 pmAre the union forces comparable to the flux DS? I want to switch to the flux from the union force.
Nate says
January 28, 2017 at 2:29 pmHi Casey
I like the Forces but I like the DS just that little bit more. But they do have their own strengths and weaknesses.
The Force is slightly stiffer than the DS (though not by a huge amount) – both are about as responsive as each other.
The DS feels like it’s got a bit more ankle support, whereas the Force is a little looser around the ankle. This is partly a personal preference thing though.
The Force has better shock absorption in the foot bed but overall I think the DS is slightly more comfortable.
In terms of the Ratchet system, they’re both pretty smooth and I wouldn’t say either one is better.
Overall, I prefer the DS but the Forces are good bindings too.
Hope this helps
Lionel says
February 3, 2017 at 7:42 pmHi Nate,
My son races GS/SL/BX (4th year competing) and loves free riding (7th year riding) and the parks. Turning 13 in a few weeks and weighs 92. His feet just grew into a men’s 8 so we are reconfiguring his equipment. Selected a Burton Custom Smalls 145W (Flying V) (he rode the 135 and 125 in previous years with Mission Smalls). The Burton Custom Smalls 145W requires Reflex instead of EST. So we are comparing the 2017 Cartel to the 2017 Genesis (even though I did pick up a pair of new 2016 Genesis EST at the Burton outlet befor realizing the channel length limitations). All three are mediums since I imagine in a year he will be out of the new size 8 Burton 2016 Ruler (camo).
What is your advice regarding the 2017 Cartel versus the 2017 Genesis?
In the future we may be getting a race specific BX board for the alpine events and keep in the Flying V.
Thank you very much for your reviews and reply.
Nate says
February 4, 2017 at 2:24 pmHi Lionel
Thanks for your message. Good call on going medium in this case.
Between the Genesis 2017 and Cartel 2017, I would go Genesis if you can. The reason I say this is that, to me anyway, the Genesis is just as responsive as the Cartel but a little bit softer flexing at the same time. Whilst it sounds like your son is definitely an expert, he is still developing his strength and at his size it will take more effort to use the Cartels because of the slightly stiffer flex. So, IMO, I think he will get equal response out of the Genesis with less effort.
Also, I feel like the Genesis Re:flex is just that bit easier to butter with than the Cartel EST – which I think he will appreciate in the park.
Hope this helps with your decision.
Max says
February 8, 2017 at 1:11 pmHey Nate – I just bought a Bataleon The One E.S. for all mountain riding. Any thoughts on the Genesis vs Cartel?
Thanks!
Nate says
February 8, 2017 at 5:17 pmHi Max
If you’re willing to spend a bit more, then I’d say the Genesis over the Cartel. I find that it’s slightly softer flexing (but not by much) than the Genesis but gives you the same kind of response. Depending on what you like to do will depend on how much difference you notice between the 2. If you’re not really into buttering/tricks, then you won’t notice as much difference – but if you do like to do a bit of that, then the Cartel is still fine but the Genesis is that bit better.
If you’re looking for extra response but still want all the good points of the Genesis, then the Genesis X is also an option – though it is another price jump.
Hope this helps
Max says
February 9, 2017 at 9:30 amCool thanks very much nate.
Nate says
February 9, 2017 at 2:35 pmYou’re very welcome Max. Hope you enjoy your new board and bindings!
Jeff says
February 12, 2017 at 10:54 pmHey Nate,
I’m a nooby..I”ve been 5 times. I bought a 2016 ride agenda board. Im getting the hang of it but my bindings are 8 year old ride bindings. I only hit groomers, no park or trick stuff. What do you think would be a good binding for me. 6 ft tall 185lbs. Thanks
Nate says
February 13, 2017 at 4:48 pmHi Jeff
If I was you I would be looking at beginner bindings. Something that will be forgiving and help you progress. The bindings in this list would be ok as beginner bindings but not ideal. I would check out the link below to get some options. If you want more options let me know and I can give you some other options.
~ My Top 5 Beginner Snowboard Bindings
In terms of sizing, it really goes off your boot size. Different brands have different sizing. Check out the next link for binding sizing for different brands.
>>Snowboard Binding Sizing
Hope this helps
Jeff says
February 13, 2017 at 5:18 pmHi Nate,
Thanks for getting back to me and for the info. I saw the beginner bindings review. I noticed that most are for Freestyle riding which is something i don’t do. Is that just how it is because of the type of flex a beginner like myself should have or is there a more “all mountain beginner binding” out there? I wear size 12 K2 ender boots.
Nate says
February 14, 2017 at 2:55 pmHi Jeff
Yeah a lot of bindings that are good for beginners are often good for freestyle – for the exact reason that you mentioned, they are a more forgiving flex. As a beginner it’s just a bit easier to ride something with that kind of a flex. You could go up to a medium flex and it wouldn’t be like trying to handle a tank, like it would be with stiff bindings. But it’s going to be a little bit more difficult than medium-soft flexing bindings.
rico says
February 18, 2017 at 3:07 amhello,my snowboard is lib tech travice rice pro hp 2017, what to choose, burton cartel or burton genesis ?
Nate says
February 18, 2017 at 2:35 pmHi Rico
I prefer the Genesis on most boards. The Cartel’s are great bindings too and if you want to save a bit of money you certainly can’t go too wrong with them – but if you’ve got the extra cash, then the Genesis are that little bit of a step up, IMO.
I haven’t ridden the Travis Rice Pro – but based on the specs of the board you would likely be doing some freestyle stuff on it right? If so, then the Genesis a little more again. Just because I feel they’ve got just that bit better for butters/presses, tweaking grabs and the likes. But with the same kind of response as the Cartels.
Hope this helps
rico says
February 18, 2017 at 6:14 pmthanks for the reply, I really appreciate the work that you do here
rico says
February 18, 2017 at 6:18 pmfor carving is beter cartel or genesis ?
Nate says
February 19, 2017 at 12:39 pmYou’re welcome Rico.
I would say they’re very similar for carving
rico says
February 19, 2017 at 4:53 pmboots ride trident is ok for binding cartel end snowboard lib tech travice rice pro ?
Nate says
February 20, 2017 at 4:18 pmHi Rico
I think you could work the Trident’s with that setup for sure. The Trident’s are probably a bit stiffer than the overall setup. But if you go with anything that’s a bit stiffer in your setup I think I prefer it to be the boots. But they will be a similar match to the board’s flex but just on the slightly stiffer side..
Brian says
February 22, 2017 at 1:35 pmWould you have a recommended binding for the NS Proto Type 2 & West boards? Thanks!
Nate says
February 22, 2017 at 5:01 pmHi Brian
Thanks for your message. I think anything in this list would suit both of those boards. I don’t think there’s anything that would particularly suit – but certainly something with a medium flex is a good match for both of those boards. Perhaps the Proto Type 2 would appreciate more butterability as a more freestyle focused all mountain board – so in that case the Burton Genesis, K2 Lien AT and Union Ultra would step slightly out in front.
Otherwise you can’t go wrong with anything here on those 2 boards, IMO.
Just keep in mind that if you go for Burton Bindings that you will want to get the Re:Flex models and not the EST models.
Hope this answers helps with your decision
Zygo says
March 2, 2017 at 4:25 pmHey Nate,
What Bindings would you recommend for Yes The Greats 2017 ? Id like to carve, go fast, but also have some playfulness when tired of charging (deffinately want to start learning butters). I was thinking about Contact Pros but Im not sure if they are not too soft for my kind of riding. After reading your reviews I would lean more toward Genesis or Cartels however was also thinking about Union Forces
Im after good comfort / good shock absorption / good turn initiaon / mid-loose feel
Before I used to have Burton P1’s and found them a little bit to stiff, loved the speedzone though.
Any advice ?
Nate says
March 3, 2017 at 2:59 pmHi Zygo
Because you want that extra carving and speed ability out of your bindings I would go for something on this list. In my opinion something like the Genesis or the Ultra sound like a good match for you. They have good shock absorption, are really comfortable and still provide good response without being overly stiff (mid flex).
I’m not that familiar with the P1s in terms of not having tested them but from my research it seems that they were either medium-stiff or stiff bindings – so everything in this list would be a bit softer feeling. I think anything in this list but I mention the Genesis and Ultra specifically because of the extra shock absorption and butterability.
Hope this helps
Leroy D.J. says
March 26, 2017 at 3:32 amHey Nate,
I’m just a few steps away from buying Lib Tech’s TRAVIS RICE PRO.
I ride groomers and like to push it a little but I also like to fool around whenever I feel like it and don’t shy away from taking jumps when I see fit. Hence the choice of board.
However I was wondering what kind of binding would be fitting most for my style of riding.
I’ve never owned any snowboard gear and have rented every year so far but I need something that fits my style more than the rental stuff.
Regards,
Leroy
Leroy D.J. says
March 26, 2017 at 1:20 pmA little more on the subject, what about Bent Metal’s Transfer? Do you have any experience regarding these bindings? They seem to match my board quite well but I’m not as experienced in this field as you are.
Regards,
Leroy
Nate says
March 27, 2017 at 5:05 pmHi Leroy
I actually Rode the T.Rice Pro with the Bent Metal Transfer. I felt that they were a good match. I think the Bent Metal Solution could also work – but a bit pricier too.
You can check out my review of the Bent Metal Transfer if you want to get more details of what I though of them (see link belwo)
>>Bent Metal Transfer Bindings Review
Nate says
March 27, 2017 at 9:26 amHi Leroy
Thanks for your message. I think that something from this list would work or you could look at the following list if you wanted something a bit stiffer/more responsive.
>>My Top All Mountain-Freeride bindings
From what you describe it also sounds like you would want something with good board feel/butterability and good shock absorption. So look out for those scores and make sure they rate well in those areas too.
Hope this helps
Leroy D.J. says
March 28, 2017 at 8:12 amHey Nate,
Thanks for the swift reply!
I think I’ll go with the Burton Genesis Re:Flex.
Another question I’d like to ask but that you perhaps might not be able to answer is the following:
I’m looking to get the T.Rice board in size 155 and have boot size 9. I’ve been looking around as to how wide the waist could be of a board to calculate a rough estimate of where the bindings will come in order to see if I’d have under-/overhang.
Seeing you’ve ridden this board, do you have any ideas on this? I’m 170cm (5’7″) and weigh 70kg (154 lbs). So I thought a 155 would be a good size but when I looked at the board specs and saw the waist width it seemed as if that would be a tad too wide for me when I compared it with the chart in of the articles here on the site.
My apologies for the many questions but I haven’t had much response on the Lib Tech site regarding this matter and you seem to know your stuff.
Regards,
Leroy
Nate says
March 28, 2017 at 2:51 pmHi Leroy
You’re very welcome. Great choice on the bindings.
In terms of the board, I think the 255mm waist width on the 155cm is bordering on being a bit wide. But I think that the 153cm would actually be a better length for you. I’d normally say 155cm but this board rides bigger than it’s size. I rode the 157cm which would normally be just right for me for this type of board – but I would have definitely preferred the 155cm (I’m 6’0″ and 185lbs). I’ve heard others agree that this board rides bigger than its sizes – so for you I would go 153cm – and then the waist width (253mm) will also be better for your boot size.
Leroy D.J. says
March 29, 2017 at 12:15 pmNate, my man
You’re the best. All my questions have been answered and all my concerns have been taken away. I’m glad you said to size down on the board because I might’ve made a purchase not entirely fitting for me if you hadn’t.
Too bad Lib Tech boards are so difficult to come by in Belgium and already completely sold out in the size I need on pretty much every online shop I’ve encountered. I guess I’ll have to wait until fall/winter to make my purchase.
All in all, great response and information.
Kudos to you
Nate says
March 29, 2017 at 4:41 pmYou’re very welcome Leroy.
It’s hard to wait, when you know the board you want but be patient – it’s better to wait and get the right setup.
Leroy D.J. says
May 3, 2017 at 9:53 amHey Nate,
It’s me again! I finally got reply from someone at Lib Tech regarding board size and they say 155 would work well with my size, height and boot. I’ve had a hard time finding a 153 still available while I can get my hands on a 155 for €480 ($508).
Do you reckon I take this? Or should I wait for the new season and get my hands on a 153 regardless of what MervinMfg (the moderator) says?
I want to follow up on your advice to be on the safe side but am having second thoughts because of the Lib Tech employee.
Money is not really an issue but I would’ve hoped to get some action down indoor on the fun park. and with a discount this big, I thought I’d ask for your opinion once more.
Leroy D.J. says
May 3, 2017 at 10:00 amHey Nate,
Me again, with yet another update, lol.
Apparently my boot size would be closer to a 9.5.
So maybe that 155 isn’t that bad after all? Help?! Haha.
Peace!
Leroy says
May 4, 2017 at 8:04 amHey Nate,
Me again, lol.
Not sure if my question got through, I seem to be having some issues with my internet lately.
If it did come through, I apologise for double posting.
I recently got reply from one of the guys on the Lib Tech site and they said that the T.Rice 155 would be a good match with my height, weight and boot size. Now, the thing is, until recently, I always thought I had a boot 9, never really checked when I rented material because they measured my foot and the boots were pretty much always spot on. But when I compare it with the charts and my actual shoe size, I actually would have a 9.5. I checked on a few foot/boot sizing forums as well as the one on this site and landed on a site with live chat and that guy said I could ride either 153 as you suggested or 155 as I initially thought.
Now, the thing is, even though money isn’t really an issue, I do like a discount when I can get my hands on one. And as I fail to find a T.Rice at 153 anywhere that could ship it to my address I got tempted by a size 155 at €480 (Roughly $508). Now, since both Mervin at Lib Tech and the live chat guy say I could ride a 155 with no issues, I thought I’d ask for your opinion again as you really seem to know your stuff, especially since you’re not talking from a retail owner perspective.
What do you think? Should I wait for the new season and hope I can get my hands on the 153. Or can I buy the 155 and head to the fun park indoors this summer?
Regards, once again,
Leroy
Nate says
May 4, 2017 at 1:30 pmHey Leroy
I still think the 153cm is the better size for you but that’s not to say that the 155cm is the wrong size for you. It’s doable but I think the 153cm would be just that little bit better.
This is largely based on the fact that I would have preferred the 155cm (with size 10s, 6″0 and 185lbs (83kg) – so if I was you with your specs I would go for the 153cm, if I had the choice. Also, even with 9.5s, I think the width on the 153cm would be a better fit.
The discount and the fact that you’d get use out of it over the summer is certainly tempting though, I understand that for sure.
Leroy says
May 5, 2017 at 8:57 amHey Nate,
Thanks again for the info. Your reply was what I was waiting for in order to make my decision.
Sorry for the double post though, it looked like my post didn’t get through.
That being said, the discount is tempting for sure but I’ll take up on your word and wait for the 153 to become available in Belgian stores. You don’t happen to know when the new season hits the stores?
Peace!
Nate says
May 5, 2017 at 9:32 amHey
You’re very welcome. Usually new season gear starts coming out somewhere between late August and late September. I can’t recall when Lib Tech gear typically starts hitting the stores.
Nate says
August 9, 2017 at 9:07 pmHi Leroy
Lib Tech gear is now out in the US. Not sure about in Belgium. A lot of brands are releasing their 2018 gear now.
Jose says
May 11, 2017 at 12:02 pmHi Nate,
I’m looking to buy at off season sale a good bindings for NS Proto Type 2. I was nearly decided on K2 Lien AT but found out that I’m just in the middle of their M and L size. M is till 8 US (26 cm) and L from 8 US and my boots are 8 but I could probably also ride in 8,5. I’m afraid that L will be two big having in mind that K2 boot have no reduced footprint and I have currently 8 size Salomons which are small from the outside.
I started to looking for something else. I like Cartels, but the same story, I’m in the middle of S and M.
I’m thinking about Flux DS but I’m a little bit afraid about very weak shock absorption, you mentioned it in your review, guys from TheGoodRide are also complaining. I will be 90% riding groomers, no big jumps at all. Do you think that this shock absorption will be an issue for me?
I also found Nitro Phantom interesting. Did you have a chance to try them?
I would appreciate any guidance.
Thanks, Jose
Nate says
May 11, 2017 at 4:09 pmHi Jose
I think you would be OK in M for the K2 Lien AT, if you’re worried about the L being too long. I guess if you end up changing to 8.5 then you will be worried about them being too small. But if you stick with 8s the M would be fine. I can see your dilemma there though.
If you go Cartel’s go medium. Just because Burton do take their reduced footprint boots into account when sizing their bindings. Salomon boots aren’t likely to have as good a reduced footprint as Burton boots unless you have a pair of the old F3.0 or F4.0’s. But even if you do, since you will fit in either S or M and could potentially go up to 8.5s in the future, the Ms will be the safer bet.
I don’t think the shock absorption would be an issue if you’re not in the park or doing a lot of jumps. I ride the DSs a lot (I own a pair) and it’s only during a long park session that I notice that shock absorption. Maybe at the end of a long day too, it would be nice to have a bit more cushioning underfoot, but generally it’s not a huge issue. They do give you great board feel.
Unfortunately I haven’t had a chance to try the Nitro Phantom.
Hope this helps
Jose says
May 11, 2017 at 10:36 pmThanks a lot!
Veresk says
May 16, 2017 at 2:32 pmAgain me =)
Could you give me second advice about All Mountain Bindings? Cartel or Genesis for GNU Metal Gnuru? This is my main board – groomers and buttering and little bit jumps. Is Genesis as better as more expensive?
Thanks!
Nate says
May 17, 2017 at 10:12 amHi Veresk
You could use either of those 2 with the Metal Gnuru. I do prefer the Genesis and the main reason for that is I find them to be more buttery and have a little better board feel, but with the same kind of responsiveness as you get from the Cartels.
But you do pay extra for that. The Cartels are still really good bindings so whilst you get more out of the Genesis (in my opinion) you have to decide if that little bit is worth the extra money.
Veresk says
May 17, 2017 at 1:33 pmThank you again!
Nate says
May 18, 2017 at 1:15 pmYou’re very welcome
Matt says
May 28, 2017 at 7:32 amHey Nate,
How do you rate Rome Katana in terms of response, buttering, boot support and shock absorption? I see you have it in your bindings catalog but they did not make top 5 and there is no review on a site. I found a good deal for 2017 model, I’ve read very favorable review of it but I curios of your opinion. Will it be a good fit for a mid flex board (5/10) mostly for carving groomers and some freestyle ride?
Thanks!
Nate says
May 29, 2017 at 9:28 amHi Matt
Katanas weren’t far from making this list. I would say they are a 4/5 for responsiveness. Similar to the DSs. But the board feel/butterability not quite as good – 3/10. So the bindings on this list are probably a little better when it comes to freestyle riding. Shock absorption is great and is up there with the Burton Genesis and the Union Ultra – so, in this sense they are good for freestyle stuff.
They will definitely match well with a mid flexing board, so definitely no issues there.
So yeah, overall I would say they would be great for groomers, a good fit with a mid-flexing board and decent for freestyle (great shock absorption but average in terms of board feel/butterability).
Hope this helps
Matt says
May 29, 2017 at 11:56 amThanks Nate
I have to say I’m a bit disappointed with butterability. Rome claims that Katana is a binding with a smallest board contact in the industry so together with a mini disk I though that the board feel would be awesome.
One more question, how did you feel their weight, are they light?
Nate says
May 30, 2017 at 4:14 pmHi Matt
I would say they are pretty light – maybe not the lightest I’ve felt but lighter than average.
Also with butterability keep in mind that mine is just one opinion. I haven’t had the chance to extensively test the Katana’s and I’m hoping to get more time on them in the future – after which I could change my opinion. I just felt in comparison to the others in this list it didn’t feel as good to me. But maybe 3 is a little low. They certainly butter better than the average binding, certainly better than stiffer bindings – they just had some tough competition to go up against that I felt were better.
Reza Zandi says
August 6, 2017 at 9:44 amI can’t decide between the burton missions and malavitas. This will be my second bindings. I have only been riding a couple seasons, but I was able to ride a black diamond last season without needing to leaf down or anything. I’m pretty solid on blues. I have a camber board but it’s a ‘soft camber’. I have burton ruler boots. My current bindings are ass, they are some flow bindings, and I keep having trouble with control. I feel like sometimes I don’t have control of my board especially when going fast. I assume these are the source of my problem as my boots are good and my board is decent. I have found a good price on the missions (170) and the malavitas (204). Which do you recommend for an all mountain rider who is not sure if he’s going to do a lot of park or not or just bomb groomers. I could get the cartels, but there is no good deals on them, lowest I saw was 240. I am leaning towards the malavitas.
Nate says
August 7, 2017 at 9:43 amHi Reza
Thanks for your message.
I would lean towards the Malavitas too. The Missions would be a solid choice too – but the Malavitas are just that little bit better and in my opinion would be worth the extra $34 investment. Without knowing the model of flow bindings that you have, I couldn’t really comment on how much difference they will make – but the Malavitas are quality bindings so I think they will suit you well. They shouldn’t be too stiff as to be too unforgiving for you – but they’re also not too soft flexing so you should be able to get some reasonable response out of them.
Hope this helps
Leo says
September 8, 2017 at 3:03 pmHey Nate,
I’m weighing up 2017 versions of the Malavitas and Flux DS. I’ll be riding the Never Summer West. Generally all mountain riding, intermediate/advance level, mostly carving groomers but occasional park lips and powder days as well.
Thanks!
Leo
Nate says
September 9, 2017 at 8:43 amHi Leo
Two quality choices there and both would work with the West, IMO. I rode the 2018 West with the Flux DS (I own these bindings) recently and they definitely work. But the Malavitas would also be a good match.
I would say the DSs have slightly better responsiveness over the Malavitas – so probably going to be a bit better for your carving. But the Malavitas have a bit more in terms of board feel/butterability.
The Malavitas have a good bit more shock absorption, which is the DSs biggest weakness.
But otherwise there’s not too much in it.
If responsiveness is the most important thing for you, then go with the DSs – but if you’re willing to sacrifice a subtle amount of response for more shock absorption and a bit more board feel, then the Malavitas would be the way to go.
Hope this helps with your decision.
Edward McMahon says
September 19, 2017 at 11:12 amHi Nate
First off I’d like to commend you on your feedback. A friend just recommended me your site and it’s a wealth of knowledge and your response are always well thought out and insightful.
I picked up a 16-NS West/14-Cartels and late last season a 16-NS Funslinger(a blazer to whip around) that I’m looking for another set of bindings for to have 2 setups ready to go. Big NS fan (Revolver,Raptor,Heritage) and love the new Ripsaw profile. Daily surfer, 6’2″ 195 with size 12.5 Salomon Malamute boots(all wide boards) advanced rider 20-30 days a year, surf the mountain hit everything like a grom. Had the 15-Genesis bindings but the toe caps kept slipping over my boots and due to me being on the last hole I had to sit down to strap in.
Looking for a binding for the FS to match the playful nature of it. Also interested in another set of boots(always had really stiff boots, narrow feet Salomon seem to fit well) to maybe loosen up my game.
Thanks in advance
Nate says
September 20, 2017 at 12:31 pmHey Edward
In terms of bindings for your Funslinger, I’d check out the following list:
>>Top 5 All Freestyle Bindings
Anything there should pair well with your Funslinger. The Contact Pros would be my first choice.
In terms of boots, also check out the following:
>>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots
The boots in this list are all medium flexing (5 or 6/10). The Malamutes are pretty stiff, so even going to a medium flex will soften things up and maybe that’s the best bet – so as not to go too soft. I’d say the Malamutes are probably an 8 or even 9/10. In terms of Salomon options if you wanted to stick with Salomon boots, you could look at the Dialogue, the Launch and the Hifi, which all have roughly a medium flex. Note that I haven’t updated that list for 2017-18 yet so it relates to 2017 boots.
Hope this helps.
Milan says
September 20, 2017 at 12:50 amHi Nate,
Ik was wondering which binding would best suit nu current setup. I have a Never Summer Proto Type Two and the Ride Insano Boots. Ik know the boots are more for freeride user buy i stumbled upon them for a really good price.
I was doubting between the cartels and the Genesis. The riding I do is mostly on groomers and some pow. And I like to pick up some buttering and jumps/tricks outisde the park.
Which binding would you recommend?
Greetings,
Milan
Nate says
September 20, 2017 at 12:49 pmHi Milan
I would say the Genesis overall are your best choice. But both would certainly work with that setup and for what you want to do. Since the Insanos are quite stiff flexing boots, then there could be an argument to go with the Cartels (which are slightly stiffer than the Genesis) – but I think that the Genesis (which are medium flexing, same as the Proto Type Two) would give you a little bit more in terms of your buttering and are just as responsive as the Cartels.
The Cartels are of course cheaper too, if price is a factor for you.
So yeah, both would do the job, with the Genesis doing it slightly better, IMO.
Milan says
September 22, 2017 at 2:30 amThanks a lot Nate!
Thuis was the last bit of info In needed. Genesis it is.
Greetings,
Milan
Jarod says
October 24, 2017 at 5:16 pmHi Mate,
Which burton bindings would you suggest for a Lobster Halldor Pro and which for an Endeavor Archetype? (A bit niche boards I know)
Thanks for you help!
Nate says
October 25, 2017 at 12:54 pmHi Jarod
These aren’t boards that I’ve demoed, so I couldn’t say for sure – but just based on a little bit of research and based on matching flex, I would say:
It would depend on a couple of things:
This is based no the Archetype having a mid-stiff flex of 7/10 and the Halldor having a mid flex of 5/10.
If you are looking for one pair of bindings for both of these boards, then I think the Cartels would be a great option to match both boards.
If you’re looking for separated bindings then:
The Genesis X Re:Flex or Cartel Re:flex for the Archetype – or the Missions if you’re looking to go a little cheaper.
The Genesis or Malavita or Cartels/Missions for the Lobster Halldor.
The Genesis or Malavita would still go with both, as they’re pretty versatile but the Genesis X would be best for the Archetype – the Genesis X could also go with the Halldor (so that could be both too) but it wouldn’t go as well as the Genesis or Malavita. Whereas the Cartel/Missions would go with either equally, IMO.
Hope this helps
Daniel says
November 12, 2017 at 4:07 pmHi Nate,
Last year I purchased a set of Burton Genesis bindings after the binding received praise from so many websites, I was pretty disappointed with them. I would go as far as to say if you’re an advanced rider, the genesis is a waste of your time. Im a hard charger on the mountain and the Genesis bindings just couldn’t keep up. They were extremely comfortable but that is the only praise I would give them. But after trying out a set of NOW bindings, I would choose NOW bindings 9 times out 10 over burton or any bindings on this list. Its crazy to me how NOW never makes top ranked bindings for anything but the burton genesis (which I find to be a pretty weak binding) makes top 5 or even number 1 constantly. Have you ridden NOW bindings before?
Thanks
Nate says
November 14, 2017 at 12:32 pmHi Daniel
Thanks for your input.
I wouldn’t say that the Genesis are amazing in terms of response (which is why they get a 3/5) so they’re not great if you’re a hard charger. This isn’t a list for hard charging bindings. This is for bindings that are all-rounders. If you were looking for hard charging bindings, then the bindings in the following lists are what I’d look at.
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
>>Top 5 Freeride Bindings
I don’t typically test NOW bindings but I have ridden the IPOs. I would put those in this category – but I definitely didn’t find them any more responsive than the Genesis. And didn’t like the board feel as much as I do with something like the Genesis. But still I liked them, they’re well made bindings.
I’m guessing you’re probably riding something like the Drive or the O-Drive, which are supposed to be quite responsive – but I haven’t ridden them, so I couldn’t say for sure.
It sounds like response is certainly the most important thing to you – and in that case, especially if you’re an advanced rider, then I can see why the Genesis wasn’t to your liking – but it’s a great binding for what it’s made for and I still consider it the top of this category out of all the bindings I’ve demoed.
Ludvig says
November 19, 2017 at 11:06 amHi Nate,
Thanks for such a great website. It’s amazing with all the info and your detailed and thoughtful answers.
I’ve got a 2016 Jones Hovercraft (7/10 flex) with 2010 Flow boots and Flow bindings but the bindings are old so I need to buy new ones. I’m leaning towards Cartel over Genesis. Would you agree, or are there other bindings from your list you think is better? Since the hovercraft is directional and made for pow I obviously don’t ride the parks or do any buttering, but when the pow’s not there I spend quite a lot of time on the groomers.
Thanks for your input!
Nate says
November 20, 2017 at 1:53 pmHi Ludvig
Given the board and the style you describe, I think the Cartels would be the better pick in this case. They are just a tiny bit more responsive than the Genesis, though there’s very little in it, IMO. But where the Genesis excel over the Cartels is in butterability/board feel. If you don’t need that, then the Cartel’s would work better – and they’re a little stiffer (6/10) than the Genesis (5/10), which is a better match for your board.
The other option would be to look at something all-mountain-freeride (see list below) – bindings that I put in this category are stiffer than the bindings in this list but not as stiff as what I categorize as freeride bindings.
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Note that this list isn’t currently updated for 2017-18 season (but it’s close on the list now!).
Hope this helps
Ludvig says
November 21, 2017 at 7:34 amHi again Nate,
Thanks for your help, it really helps! I’ve read your Top 5 All Mountain Freeride Bindings list and googled around and I have a follow-up question.
What I want to do above all is to go off-pist, preferably in fresh snow among trees. I don’t do any kind of crazy jumps off high cliffs or bomb down the hills at extreme speeds even though I like to go at fairly high speeds and jump off smaller stuff.
But I also like to carve (in the slope), but with the setup I’ve got now, at especially my heel turn, the board “studders” and looses its grip. Maybe that’s the board (it was even worse with my old Flow-board), or me, but if possibly I’d like my new bindings to help out with that. Carving is something I’d like to improve on too. With these things in mind and that my board has a 7/10 flex, do you think the Genesis X would be ok or is the Cartel’s 6/10 a better match? I’ve snowboarding perhaps a week per year the last 20 years so I’d see myself as an advance rider.
Thanks a lot again!
Nate says
November 21, 2017 at 10:01 amHi Ludvig
I think the Genesis X would be a great match with your board – but the Cartels would work too. With the Genesis X, you’re going to get a bit more response out of your board than with the Cartels. I don’t think it would help with the studdering or the grip – but that’s going to be the main advantage over the Cartels. This would be better for carving and at high speed, but the Cartels aren’t too far behind in that sense. Typically softer flex will give you a bit more maneuverability at slow speeds – so that’s something else to take into account.
Hope this gives you more info to go off.
Ludvig says
November 23, 2017 at 2:08 pmI went for the Cartels, basically to not loose maneuverability at lower speeds.
Thanks a lot for your help Nate!
Nate says
November 24, 2017 at 11:08 amHi Ludvig
Thanks for letting me know your decision. Hope the Cartels treat you well.
Nick says
November 21, 2017 at 11:35 amHey Nate, so I decided to go with the Proto Type Two 157! Thanks for the help I’m super pumped to try it out. I figured there was no way to go wrong with this board.
I need help with another dilemma though. I decided I was either going with Burton Cartels, Malavitas, or Genesis as I don’t think it will make too much of a difference on which one. However, I found an awesome discount on 2017 Union Force Bindings that is going to expire relatively soon. So I’m wondering if they are any good. I have read a lot of mixed reviews about Union bindings from pieces digging into boots to adjustable pieces coming loose and not very stiff high backs. Whereas Burton bindings seem to be very consistent in reviews. They are $80 less than the Cartels and $150 less than the Genesis. Money isn’t a huge concern, but if I can save on something similar it would be nice. Keep in mind, I am coming from a pair of older Now IPOs, I’m not to used to either brand.
Also, curious about what size you would recommend for a pair of 32 Boots and which one is better our of the Lashed, TM2, and TM3 (only traditional).
Thanks in advance man!
Nate says
November 22, 2017 at 9:20 amHi Nick.
Nice work. Would love to hear your thoughts on the PT2 once you’ve had a chance to ride it.
The Force are what I would call solid, dependable bindings but not spectacular. They’re probably a touch stiffer than the Cartels but not by heaps. Probably a little more responsive too, but very similar again. They have a similar level of shock absorption as the Burton options but I’d say they’re not quite as comfortable and don’t have as good a board feel (though not too bad either).
They also have a looser, sort of surfier feel to them. If that sounds appealing, then they’re a good option but if you are looking for a firmer ankle support, then Burton do a better job there, IMO. Compared to the IPO, I would say that they have a similar feel in terms of ankle support as Burton bindings but don’t have the same level of board feel as the Burton’s – probably similar but maybe not quite as much as the Force. I’d say the IPO are probably the least responsive so you should get a little boost there whichever you go with – not massive, but noticeable, IMO.
In terms of pieces digging into boots, I’ve never experienced this with any Union bindings, so I’m not sure if they had them set up correctly or what the story was there. And I’ve never had pieces come loose – but I haven’t owned any Union bindings, only demoed them, so I’ve never had them long enough to know if that happens or not. The high backs are relative to others in the industry, IMO – but it depends on the model too – some models are made to have soft high-backs, others are made to have stiff high-backs and others are made to be somewhere in between, so it depends on the model.
>>Union Force Review
I find that 32 boots fit me half a size up. So I’m usually a size 10 in boots but for 32 boots I need a 10.5. In terms of what’s better, I think it depends because those boots are different. The Lashed are mid-flexing (5/10 bordering on 4.5/10) and the TM2 are mid-stiff (7/10). I haven’t ridden the TM3, but it sounds like they are in between the Lashed and TM2 in terms of flex. But they do have the higher level liner – which is part of the reason they’re more expensive.
I think the Lashed would be fine with the PT2 – they are a flex match. But when it comes to boots you can go a little stiffer than the board, IMO – but I wouldn’t go softer than the board – and I wouldn’t go super stiff either though. But up to 7/10 for the PT2 would be fine (same for bindings).
Hope this gives you more to go off.
Nick says
November 28, 2017 at 5:51 amHey Nate, so I finally got a chance to ride the NS PT2, and oh my, this board can seriously rip into a carve. I love everything about it. With just one day on the hill, I taught myself switch (somewhat decently), learned butters, presses, and jumps on it. This board can seriously do it all man. It’s playful yet aggressive when I want it to be. It is truly everything I could ask for in a board.
I am really beside myself with bindings I originally decided on Genesis Bindings, but all these people at my local resort seem so against them saying Burton has gone down hill. To my knowledge I don’t believe I’ve ever used Burton anything except mittens, in which the inside liner has ripped after only 20 days of use, but other than that I have nothing against them. All reviews I’ve read were great. Which do you think would be more comfortable the Genesis or an Atlas? Especially now that I’ve found I enjoy all mountain freestyle.
Also, my boot size has apparently been off. I went to one of my local ski shops and the guy measured me out at around a 7.5 mondo print and seemed convinced I should size down. Everything I tried on was way to tight even 8’s. I went to a better store where I could try on different types of 32 Boots, and there is no way I am any smaller than a 9 or a 9.5 in that brand. In some my toes felt great, with them just grazing the edge. In one boot I really liked the outside corner of my big toe was pushing just a tad too much against the toe of the boot, but only in certain positions like leaning for example. The guys at the store told me to remember that it will pack out once it’s heat molded and broken in. So if I really like the boot should I try to make it work with molding an everything or try for a difference boot?
Thanks man for the help, especially with the my board decision, you helped me get exactly what I wanted!
Nate says
November 28, 2017 at 11:00 amHi Nick.
Glad you love the board – it is a killer deck right!
In terms of bindings, I would personally go for the Genesis over the Atlas for that particular board. No doubt the Atlas will be more responsive – they give a bit more in that area than the Genesis for sure. But personally I really like the board feel of the Genesis – I found the Atlas to be fell more dead underfoot – not super-dead but just don’t feel like they flex as well with the board than the Genesis. Something like the Union Ultra would give you the board feel that matches the Genesis and responsive that matches the Atlas – but they aren’t cheap! The other option is the Union Falcor – bit stiffer than the Atlas – but also, even more responsive and with better board feel. And not quite as expensive as the Ultra. Also note that when I say Ultra I don’t mean “Ultra FC” (which is even more expensive but also significantly stiffer and I would say too stiff for the PT2).
But yeah, between the Atlas and the Genesis, I think it would depend if board feel or response were more important to you. Or if you’re willing to pay extra to get both. In terms of comfort, I personally found the Genesis more comfortable than the Atlas. Overall for all-mountain-freestyle, I would personally prefer the Genesis – if I was going to be just bombing down the hill, and on certain boards that I might just be doing that on, then I’d prefer the Atlas just for that extra response and would be less concerned about board feel.
Yeah with boots, I find that 32s are usually half a size longer for me than other brands. I’d say if your toe isn’t like really having to curl up, then they will probably ok once broken in – but boots don’t tend to pack out as much as they used to – the fit in store is getting closer to their longer term fit – but they’ll certainly pack out a bit – and with heat molding they’ll shape to your feet better – it’s hard to say for sure without actually feeling how much pressure is on your toe.
Hope this gives you more to go off – keep enjoying that PT2!
Nick says
November 28, 2017 at 11:56 amWow that’s interesting, I wouldn’t have expected the Atlas to feel more stiff tan the Genesis. I’m probably just going with the Genesis, I like the binding overall, and maybe see what the Falcor feels like in store. I’m sure that the Genesis can still carve super well.
Yeah, my toes definitely weren’t curled up, it was more of a concern with the one spot on the big toe with a tad bit too much pressure. I’d rather get something that is going to fit me later on down the road and not something for just right now, you know? Yeah, I got a couple of boots to compare anyways. Thanks for the help.
Nate says
November 29, 2017 at 1:55 pmYou’re very welcome. Yeah Genesis definitely softer than the Atlas. “Genesis X” on the other hand maybe a little stiffer than Atlas – but not by heaps.
Nick says
November 30, 2017 at 4:42 amSo sadly, I don’t think I have access to the falcor in store, but I might with Atlas. This local snowboard shop I found seems to be pretty anti Burton, but gave decent advice for Union bindings. Unfortunately, they only have Forces and Contact pros. After watching more reviews about the Genesis I don’t know if it’s the binding for me. That reflex disk just looks really flimsy, I feel like I might like the mini disk idea better than the reflex. So unless I want to spend $400 plus to get the Ultras, it looks like the Falcor would be my best bet. However, do you think that is too much response to be riding only on groomers? As for the Atlas, if I can still ollie, butter, and press with them I think I’d be happy there too. Lastly, in your own opinion, how much of a difference in regards to response would there be between the Genesis, Atlas, and Falcor. Like a lot or very little? Thanks man
Nate says
November 30, 2017 at 9:38 amHi Nick
I’m not really on board with the anti-Burton sentiment – but everyone has their opinion and preferences. And if it doesn’t sound like the binding for you, then that’s all good.
You can definitely still ollie, butter/press on the Atlas, it’s just not as easy as with something like the Genesis – or the Contact Pros – or the Falcor for that matter. I actually found the Force’s were easier to butter with/had better board feel – but that’s maybe just that they’re a little softer – though not by much.
From my perspective I would say that, flex-wise:
Contact Pros: 4/10
Genesis: 5/10
Force: 6.5/10
Atlas: 7/10
Falcor: 7/10 or maybe 7.5/10
But I’d say that the Contact Pros are just as responsive as the Genesis, though they’re a little softer flexing – and the Falcor’s respond better than the Atlas, even though they’re a similar flex-feel. Though they’re probably actually stiffer than the Atlas – they just don’t necessarily feel as stiff as they are, probably due to the way it flexes more naturally with the board.
I’d say just because of their feel, that the Falcor wouldn’t overpower the PT2 too much – sometimes pairing a stiffer binding with a softer flexing board can do that but I don’t get that feeling from the Falcor – it will certainly likely quicken up the edge to edge speed of the PT2 though, compared to your IPOs. But I haven’t ridden the Falcor with the PT2, so I couldn’t say for sure, there. But I have ridden the Ultra FC (stiffer again – 8/10) on a board only mildly stiffer than the PT2 and they felt great – they just made the board livelier/more responsive but without feeling like they were too much.
The Contact Pro would also be a close match – the concern there would be the opposite of the Falcor – that they wouldn’t have enough power to power the PT2 because they’re a little softer. Again, couldn’t say for sure. But I think I would personally want to go with Contact Pros or Falcor for all-mountain-freestyle riding. The Falcor’s if you want a lot of power and response, and the Contact Pros if you want something a little easier going.
But yeah, something with that mini-disc just really improves the board feel/butterability, in my experience. That’s just my experience of course, but that’s what I would go with, for this type of board/type of riding.
Nick says
November 30, 2017 at 10:46 amYeah, honestly Nate I think I am gonna go with the Falcors for the mini disk and responsiveness cause I feel like I am more of an aggressive all mountain rider with some freestyle thrown in. I feel like I just can’t get that quick edge to edge carving speed and power with my IPOs. I’m most definitely not anti-Burton at all, I just want something more response oriented while retaining that playful feel and it seems like the Falcor or the Ultra would do just that for me. Yeah though, the Contact Pros just seem like they’d be way too soft for my taste. Even though you say the Burtons are more comfortable in your opinion, I feel like my IPOs are dreadful, and any binding I get from Union would have to be more comfortable than those things.
I also believe the reasoning the IPOs feel so slow is due to the fact of my boots being a half a size to big. So I’m gonna go with something that will give me a slightly more snug feel. I feel pretty confident about the Falcors though especially after that response man.
Nate says
December 1, 2017 at 11:19 amHi Nick
Awesome, yeah sounds like the Falcors should work great for you. And you should definitely notice a good step up in response over the IPOs.
Sean says
December 3, 2017 at 7:01 pmWhat bindings would you recommend for the yes typo? I’m in between a beginner rider and intermediate rider I would say. Would you say any of these would be fine? Getting the typo for the fact it’s a do all kind of board and I should be able progress on it for awhile.
Nate says
December 4, 2017 at 11:34 amHi Sean
The Typo is a great do-it-all board and great for your ability level too – so good choice there, IMO.
In terms of bindings, yeah I’d say anything here would be a good match to the Typo. Everything here is pretty much intermediate and up but if you feel you’re close to intermediate, then I think you’ll be fine on any of these bindings. Probably the DS, Ultra and Genesis in terms of flex are the best as they’re just a little softer than the Cartels and Lien AT.
If you wanted to go softer you could look at beginner bindings – but if you went that way you’d likely feel the need to upgrade within a couple of years.
Hope this helps
Sean says
December 24, 2017 at 8:41 pmI actually ended up getting the burton customs for Christmas. So I hope those do well.
And as always thanks for your quick response and great input.
Nate says
December 26, 2017 at 4:52 pmHi Sean
The Custom’s should work fine with the Typo and for your ability level. Something you might feel the need to upgrade from once you become more advanced – but perfectly fine for right now – great gift to get. Hope you had an awesome Christmas and have a great season ahead!
Vito says
January 10, 2018 at 10:59 amHello,
I currently have a K2 Darkstar from 2009 (full camber) and a pair of Union Danny Kass (the yellow ones) from 2010. I am thinking of updating my bindings since my top strap keeps unscrewing itself and making the entire binding loose. I was looking at either the Malavita or Genesis. I am not interested in the Genesis X as I don’t spend enough time in powder. Which one would you recommend, considering that I am also planning to update my snowboard at some point to either a Yes Basic or a Skatebanana?
Thanks,
Vito
Nate says
January 10, 2018 at 7:48 pmHi Vito
Thanks for your message. Assuming you like riding freestyle, which it sounds like you do, given your choice in boards, then I would say the Malavita. Both the Genesis and the Malavita are good for riding freestyle but the Malavita is just that little bit more freestyle focused. Both would definitely work, IMO and TBH they are quite similar bindings – but assuming you’ve got quite a freestyle focus I’d say Malavita (and you save yourself a bit of cash too). If you are more all-mountain oriented, then I’d say the Genesis over the Malavita – but the Malavitas still do the job as all-mountain bindings too – so still wouldn’t be a bad choice, especially if you were wanting to save cash.
Hope this helps
VITO says
January 14, 2018 at 3:41 pmThank you very mich for your reply!
My boots are size 8.5 US and footprint reduction is rather good. Would you get the Malavita in S or M?
Thanks!
Nate says
January 15, 2018 at 12:59 pmYou’re very welcome.
I would say go for Ms for 8.5s. Burton bindings sizings are based on Burton boots sizings and Burton boots have good reduced footprint too – so those sizes already take into account reduced footprint. You might be ok in an S – but I think the M would be a better fit – and a safer bet.
Vito says
January 18, 2018 at 3:19 pmThank you very much.
Just another quick question related to this. I’m 176cm tall and about 68kg. I’ve always found the Darkstar stiff for me. I tried a 152 skatebanana and it felt like a much better fit, however I think I’m going to get the Yes Basic. Do you think I should stick to a 155 or downsize to a 152?
Thanks!
Nate says
January 19, 2018 at 1:04 pmHi Vito
I’d put you on around a 155cm, as an all-mountain size. Since the Basic and the Skate Banana are more freestyle focused, then the 152 could definitely work for you and the 152 would be a better size if you are more at the beginner end of things. It would also be a bit narrower, which would suit your boots better than the 155 Basic too, IMO.
The Basic 152 (250mm waist, 293mm tip and tail) would still be a little wider overall than the 155 Darkstar (247mm waist, 292mm tip and tail) – so you get a bit more width, which is ok as you’re sizing down.
Just note that the 152 Basic will have an effective edge (115cm) considerably less than the 155 Darkstar (121cm), but this might not be a bad thing for you, but it will feel different and be a little bit of an adjustment. However, the 152 Basic (115cm) has a little more effective edge than the 152 Skate Banana (114cm).
On balance, I think the 152 Basic would be the best option for you. You could ride the 155 and I think you’ll find it a lot more forgiving than the Darkstar, and that’s definitely an option but I would just be leaning towards the 152.
Hope this helps
Vito says
January 20, 2018 at 1:03 pmThank you! This is an incredible response.
I’ll go for the 152 Basic then. I have also found a pair of Genesis 2017 for the same price of 2018 Malavitas. I am unsure which one to go for. My idea is to focus more on tricks and freestyle, but I’m not too keen on the park (rails).
Thanks,
Vito
Nate says
January 20, 2018 at 8:39 pmYou’re very welcome Vito.
I think I’d still go for the Malavitas if focused on freestyle. If you were a little more all-mountain focused, then Genesis, but in your case Malavita. But that said, either would do the job well. They’re not too dissimilar.
Vito says
January 28, 2018 at 11:36 amHello!
In the end I went for Basic 152 and Genesis. I haven’t tried them yet, but they should be a good match for my Burton Rulers, which are now a bit softer than they used to be.
Thanks again!
Vito
Nate says
January 29, 2018 at 1:05 pmHi Vito
Thanks for letting me know. I think that setup will work well. Let me know what you think, once you’ve had a chance to test it all out.
Fridrich says
January 30, 2018 at 12:50 pmHi Nate,
Great reviews like always
What bindings would you recommend for the capita horrorscope 2017. Would you say any of these would be fine? I like to ride a bit of everything.
Thanks,
F
Nate says
January 31, 2018 at 11:40 amHi Fridrich
Thanks for your message.
Yeah you could ride anything from here on the Horrorscope – though the bindings here that have a 5/10 flex would be a better flex match. I would rate the Horrorscope a 4/10 for flex, and anything with a 4 or 5 out of 10 would be a great match. 6/10 would work too, but I’d prefer 4 or 5 for that board. Also check out the bindings in the following list for more options:
>>Top 5 All Freestyle Bindings
Hope this helps
Tony says
February 8, 2018 at 12:36 amHi, Nate!
What about BURTON MISSION?
Nate says
February 8, 2018 at 2:04 pmHi Tony
Yeah you could put Mission’s on the Mountain Twin, for sure. Not going to be quite as nice as the Cartels – but quite similar to Cartels from a couple of season’s back. Would work for sure.
Fabio says
February 14, 2018 at 7:39 amHello! sorry for my English. I bought a Capita DOA table and now I have to buy bindngs. My old board was a Nitro Team with Nitro Blackhawk attacks with which I found myself beautifully. I do not know if they are all mountain freeride or all mountain freestyle. I like to do off-piste, track, go among the trees and go in fresh snow as soon as possible, a few jumps in the park, I prefer to find small off-piste jumps. I would like a reactive attack and I was thinking of the Union T.Rice but I’m afraid it’s too stiff and tiring for me that I’m not a professional. I read that with the capital DOA, many people use the union force but I’m afraid it’s not very responsive. I am also undecided between a Cartel or Mission. The price changes little between one another. I appreciate your help !!
Nate says
February 14, 2018 at 2:43 pmHi Fabio
Thanks for your message.
I personally liked having stiffer bindings on the DOA – I really liked it paired up with the Union Ultra FC – now that’s a very expensive binding and not suggesting that – but I felt this board likes a stiffer binding than it’s flex suggests. Usually I’d pair a board with this kind of flex with something around a 5/10, 6/10 flex. But I think you can go stiffer if you want to with this board. So that brings the T.Rice in as an option.
But if you’re worried about the stiffness of the T.Rice being too tiring for you, then one of the options would work as well.
The Force are, IMO, more responsive than the Cartel and the Mission – so, IMO, responsiveness shouldn’t be an issue there. Where the Cartel/Mission are better is in terms of board feel – they flex more naturally with the board than the Force. The T.Rice are both more responsive than any of the other options and, in my experience have the best board feel of the 4 here. So, I think they are a great option – but if you want to go with something a little softer, then that’s understandable.
In terms of flex I would say the following:
~ T.Rice 8/10
~ Force 6.5/10
~ Cartel 6/10
~ Mission 6/10
Any of these options would go with the DOA, IMO. Personally I’d go with the T.Rice but if you want a flexier option, then it will depend on whether you want a little more response and sacrifice a little board feel or want more board feel and sacrifice a little in response.
Hope this makes sense and helps with your decision.
Fabio says
February 15, 2018 at 1:18 amThanks for the answer Nate !! You’ve been really great! 🙂 I think I will combine my DOA with T.Rice because I felt good with Raiden BlachHauwk and I think they can be comparable in terms of flex and response …. right?
Nate says
February 15, 2018 at 1:58 pmHi Fabio
I don’t have any experience with the Raiden Blackhawks, but based on what I could find out about them, it sounds like they were relatively stiff – but I couldn’t accurately say how close they are in stiffness/response to the T.Rice. But yeah I think the T.Rice and the DOA are a good match.
Chad says
February 27, 2018 at 5:32 amHey Nate!
I just purchased the Niche Story, first new board in like 10 years and would like some advice on a binding to pair with it. It will be a bit of a swiss army knife for me in that Ill use it just about everywhere on the mountain (I dont hit the park a whole lot). Need a good all around binding with decent support. Will the Burton Genesis be a good choice for this board?
Thanks
Nate says
February 27, 2018 at 11:15 amHi Chad
Thanks for you message.
The Story is relatively stiff (from my experience with it) – I would say around 7/10 in terms of flex. So, whilst the Genesis would certainly work, as it’s quite versatile, I would say that something a little stiffer flexing would be a better way to go, especially if you don’t spend too much time in the park.
The Cartel’s are a little stiffer as are the K2 Lien AT. Or you could check out the bindings from the list below, which I think would work really well with the Story.
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
Chad says
February 27, 2018 at 6:27 pmOk, the other two I am considering are the Rome Katana and the Union Ultra. Will these be too stiff? The Union in particular seems like it has great reviews pretty much everywhere.
Thank you soooo much for your help!
Nate says
February 28, 2018 at 10:22 amHi Chad
Yeah the Ultras are great bindings! Just not the cheapest. I’m not currently testing Rome gear, so I’m not sure about the Katana – but I definitely wouldn’t say that it’s too stiff for the Story – based on how it’s rated, I’d say it would be a good match with the Story.
And I don’t think the Ultras would be too stiff either – in fact they would be a little bit softer than the Katana, IMO. They do have a relatively stiff highback, but the base-plate is softer flexing. Also, so there’s not confusion, I’m talking “Ultra” as opposed to “Ultra FC”, which is a different story, that is a very stiff binding – but I wouldn’t say it would be out of the question for the story but getting on the stiffer side for it.
Bob says
March 18, 2018 at 9:43 pmHi – Have you been able to try out the Burton Step Ons and if so, what are your thoughts?
Nate says
March 19, 2018 at 10:56 amHi Bob
I haven’t tried the Step-Ons yet, unfortunately. Most of what I hear is positive, apart from a few teething issues for the 2018 models, but otherwise positive. But I couldn’t say first hand.
Wade says
March 21, 2018 at 7:58 amNate- I only go boarding 1-2 times a year for 2-3 days tops. I mainly ride groomed runs with hopes of hitting a few powder days and a little time at the park. Since I don’t go that often I tend to get sore feet/fatigued rather quickly. I just purchased the K2 Raygun 160W board and am looking for a set of bindings that provide the most comfort and least foot fatigue. I had been looking into NOW bindings because I heard with the skate tech system they reduce foot fatigue, but I’m just not sure there for me. I would like to stay under or around $220 for bindings since I just don’t go that often, what particular brands/models would you recommend for me?
Thanks for your help!
Nate says
March 21, 2018 at 4:41 pmHi Wade
Thanks for your message.
NOW aren’t a brand I demo at the moment, so I can’t give too much insight there.
One thing that might help with fatigue is getting bindings with a canted footbed. This basically means that the bindings angles in a little on the inside of the base plate. This is supposed to better align your hips, knees and ankles, which reduces fatigue.
Also something with a good bit of padding in the foot bed, will help with foot soreness/fatigue.
And to match the Raygun’s flex, something with around a 4/10, 5/10 or 6/10 flex would be a good way to go.
With all that in mind, and keeping under $220, the following would be good options, IMO:
~ K2 Lien FS – 4/10 flex ($249 but you should be able to find them cheaper this time of year)
~ Burton Cartel – 6/10 flex ($279 but you should be able to find them cheaper this time of year)
~ Arbor Hemlock – 4/10 ($199)
~ K2 Lien AT – 6/10 flex ($269 but you should be able to find them cheaper this time of year)
~ Ride Rodeo – 4/10 flex ($249 but you should be able to find them cheaper this time of year)
Hope this helps and gives you some options
Wade says
March 23, 2018 at 6:41 amThanks! Exactly the info I was looking for!
Nate says
March 24, 2018 at 9:21 amYou’re very welcome
Lou says
March 28, 2018 at 5:40 pmHi Nate,
Experienced freestyle rider here. I take a freestyle approach to the whole mountain. Got a Funslinger with Rodeos for my park board. Just picked up a NS Shaper Twin (proto t2 flex) to use for powder, charging all mountain, and surfy carves but still freestyle focused (powder butters, grabs and 180s off cliffs ect). I’m leaning towards the K2 Lien AT. Am I right to think it will give me enough response for charging but still have a little give for tweaks and board feel for carves?
Nate says
March 29, 2018 at 8:39 amHi Lou
Thanks for your message.
You pretty much just described the Lien ATs, IMO. Enough response for charging but also provides great board feel/flex for butters, tweaks etc. You also have interchangeable “pods” in the base plate which you can swap in and out, which helps to adjust the flex, if you feel like you want it a little stiffer/more responsive or a little softer flexing.
Patrice Boman says
April 1, 2018 at 11:27 amHi Nate,
What’s your take on the K2 Cinch bindings (TS or TC) Vs, Union Atlas or the Burton Genesis.
I like the easy in/out feature of the K2s (also considered the Flow Fusion) but would naturally want to get something that gets me the best performance out of my board as well
Myself I am an intermediate rider, and getting the Jones Mountain Twin 161 W (thanks for your advice 🙂 )who is about 6’2 and weigh about 200 Lbs.
Any advice?
Thanks in advance
Nate says
April 3, 2018 at 3:30 pmHi Patrice
Thanks for your message (and sorry for the delay in response – have been on vacation and still catching up).
I don’t currently test rear entry bindings (can’t test everything!) so I can’t say much about K2s Cinch bindings. I rode some flows a few years back but I didn’t feel their performance was as good as strap in bindings, but things could well have changed since then – and I’ve never tried K2’s versions.
The Atlas and the Genesis would both match the Mountain Twin well, IMO. The Atlas is a more responsive binding, and is perhaps also better suited to your specs and to the wider 161W. Both would work, but I would be leaning towards the Atlas in this particular case.
Hope this helps
Curtis says
October 19, 2018 at 2:23 pmI have a 2017 Jones aviator and am looking to get new bindings for this season, was wondering what you think would match well with the aviator?
Nate says
October 19, 2018 at 4:32 pmHi Curtis
Thanks for your message.
For the Aviator, I would match it with something around a 7/10 or 8/10 flex. It’s a relatively stiff board and I find if you go too soft with bindings on a stiffer board, that they don’t provide enough power to drive it. So, I would check out the following lists for some options.
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
>>Top 5 Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
Tom says
October 30, 2018 at 5:50 amHi Nate,
My complements on your reviews! Really hrlpful!
I am 6,3 ft and 198 lbs and an advanced rider with a Burton SLX boot size 12. I already have a Burton flight attendant 168 and a older Libtech TRS 162. I am planning to buy the Yes standard 159W for in between, so for the groomers, three lines, off piste but also for buttering. I was going for the Genesis Binding, but after reading your review, I was wondering if the Genesis X would be better to solve the responsiveness?
Can I have your opinion on this?
Thanks in advance,
Tom
Nate says
October 30, 2018 at 11:18 amHi Tom
Thanks for your message.
Yeah the Genesis X would be a good match for the Standard, IMO. In my books the Genesis X is a 7/10 flex and the Standard a 6/10 flex. So a pretty good match there. And yeah the Genesis X is more responsive but still has great board feel/butterability. It’s not going to be as playful/forgiving overall as the Genesis, but I think it would be a good match for the Standard and for what you’re describing.
Hope this helps
Derrick says
November 9, 2018 at 9:53 pmHi Nate,
Love your reviews, very insightful and has definitely helped me a lot!
Can I get you opinion on which binding would go best with a Burton Custom Flying V? I ride mostly groomers and tree runs. I am leaning towards either the Union Strata or the Union Atlas. But of course, if you have another suggestion for bindings that will suit my board, I would love to hear it!
Thanks in advance
Nate says
November 10, 2018 at 2:28 pmHi Derrick
Thanks for your message.
Personally I would go for the Strata. I really like the board feel you get from a mini disc (which the Strata has but not the Atlas). Also I think it’s the best flex match. I rate the Custom Flying V 5.5/10 and the Strata 6/10, so that’s a really good match. The Atlas is more of a 7/10, which would be certainly doable for the Custom Flying V, but I would be leaning towards the Strata.
The Burton Cartel and K2 Lien AT would also work well, IMO.
rico says
December 3, 2018 at 6:01 amhello nate , is there any difference between burton genesis re flex 2018 and 2019 ???
Nate says
December 3, 2018 at 11:20 amHi Rico
No major differences from what I can tell, apart from the toe strap. A lot of Burton’s models have improved toe straps, which is nice to see, including the Genesis. So that’s the biggest (and maybe the only) difference, IMO.
Hope this helps
rico says
December 5, 2018 at 10:35 amhello nate , Thanks for replying I will try to buy the new ones if they have better belts!
Max says
December 20, 2018 at 10:56 pmWhile I agree the strata has good board feel, I don’t see it being in part with Burton reflex.
I own both and out one foot in a Burton reflex and the other on the strata. The Burton reflex easily has more natural board flex and the strata has a definite dead spot in comparison.
Nate says
December 21, 2018 at 11:51 amHi Max
Thanks for your input.
Appreciate your opinion. I did ride the Malavita Re:Flex just before riding it so I did have a direct comparison. Though can’t say that I put one on one foot and the other on the other foot. Hadn’t thought of that, but I might try it when it comes to demoing some bindings this season. A very interesting idea. Certainly likely to be some difference between a stronger and weaker foot, though could then swap which foot each binding is on to get a more controlled test. Thanks for your input, and the idea!
Justin says
December 24, 2018 at 3:40 pmHi Nate,
So much info it can be super overwhelming haha! I’m heading to Japan next month and expecting a bit of pow. I have bought a Jones Flagship 162W (95kg & size 11) and I’m wondering best binding. It’ll either be powder or speed on groomers and some tree runs. Super excited. Thanks Jus.
Nate says
December 25, 2018 at 11:00 amHi Justin
Thanks for your message.
For the Flagship, I would go for something a little stiffer than the bindings on this list. With the Flagship being 8/10 flex (by my feel), I wouldn’t go for anything softer than 7/10 flex, and preferably more like 8/10 or 9/10. If you think you want a bit more forgiveness, then something from the following would work well:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Or if you want to go stiffer:
>>Top 5 Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
Matt says
February 4, 2019 at 3:32 pmThanks for the great reviews! I’ve been trying to put together a new setup piecemeal when money allows. Right now I’ve got a pair of size 12 K2 Maysis and am sort of stuck between the Union Strata and the K2 Lien AT. I was thinking about pairing them with a Jones Mountain Twin 158W. Been about six years since I’ve ridden and want to get back into it again. I’m 5’11 and about 175 lb, does the 158W Mountain Twin sound about right to you? Thanks again for the great site. It’s been really helpful in trying to nail down a setup.
Nate says
February 5, 2019 at 11:02 amHi Matt
Thanks for your message.
Both the Strata and Lien AT are great bindings, IMO, so can’t make a bad choice there, IMO.
I think the length of the 158W Mountain Twin would work well for you. But I would be a bit concerned about whether it’s wide enough – even being a wide board. In your favor in terms of width, is that the Mountain Twin is relatively wide at the inserts compared to the waist width, assuming you ride it at reference stance. But even with that, the width at the inserts is likely to be around 271mm (27.1cm) (based on measuring the 157 Mountain Twin). The thing that’s not in your favor is that K2 boots don’t tend to be low profile. From what I’ve measured they’re usually around 3.5cm longer on the outersole than the mondo-print. The Mondo of a 12 is usually 30cm, so I suspect the Maysis 12s are around 33.5cm (but you could double check that yourself). That would mean total overhang (with a straight binding angle) of 6.4cm roughly, which would be roughly 3.2cm heel side and 3.2cm toe side. Which is more overhang than I would recommend. If you ride with a reasonable amount of angle on your back binding, then that won’t be as bad, but would still be a little narrow, IMO. But double check the length of your boots and see how long they are. I usually measure by pushing the heel against a wall and measuring the length of the boot from the wall to the toe.
If you wanted to check out other options in the same category as the Mountain Twin, check out:
>>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards
Hope this helps with your decision
Matt says
February 5, 2019 at 1:14 pmThanks, Nate! Would bumping things up to a 164W or 167W to get some extra width be too much length? Looks like Jones recommends that for those with 12+ boot size.
Nate says
February 6, 2019 at 11:00 amHi Matt
164W and 167W would be too long for you, IMO. I don’t think you’d get much enjoyment out of those lengths, unless you were always riding big mountain in powder all the time. But for a typical resort I don’t think you’d enjoy a board that long, IMO. Ideally, something 158-160 would be a good length range for you for this type of board. You could get on the 161W at a stretch, but that would only give you a very small amount more in terms of width. I would rather see you on a 158W to 160W in a width that’s more suitable on a different board, than go for the wrong size on the board.
If you’re definitely set on this board, then I would rather you went 158W or 161W and if you ran into trouble with the width (which based on your other comment it’s still pushing it but better if 32.7cm is fairly accurate), potentially look into getting risers for your bindings. I don’t have any experience with them, but from what I hear they essentially just lift your boots higher off the bindings, to give you more angle to work with.
Matt says
February 6, 2019 at 11:07 amWhat kind of waist width do you think would be suitable for honking boots?
Nate says
February 7, 2019 at 1:25 pmHi Matt
Honking boots?
With 12s, I would usually suggest at least 261mm at the waist minimum, if you’re riding with something like a 15 degree back binding angle. With a completely straight angle, you’ll want to be closer to 268mm minimum. But this does also depend on the board, as width at the inserts compared to width at the waist varies, depending on the board.
Matt says
February 7, 2019 at 3:22 pmHa. Meant my honking boots.
Matt says
February 5, 2019 at 1:22 pmBoot footprint seems to be somewhere around 33cm (may be 32.7) according to my measurement and conversion from inches to cm.
Nate says
February 6, 2019 at 11:01 amHi Matt
Thanks for that. That definitely gives you more of a chance for the 158W to work width-wise, but it’s still narrower than I would recommend.
Matt says
February 6, 2019 at 4:01 pmAlso started looking at the Capita Outerspace Living, Ride Wildlife, K2 Standard, K2 Raygun, and the Salomon Assassin. Is (Waist Width + Tail Width) / 2 a good way to calculate the width at inserts? Looks like the Jones Mountain Twin 158W would be 278.5mm at the inserts. Not sure how setback would come into play here. Did this for the 157 too and looks like it comes out to 273.5 (you mentioned you measured and was 271 so that’s probably more accurate).
Thanks again for all of your help with sorting through this.
Nate says
February 7, 2019 at 1:55 pmHi Matt
Thanks for your message.
The width at the inserts of the 157 Mountain Twin (at reference stance of 600mm) is 266mm at the rear insert. The 271mm width at inserts is what I predicted would be the case for the 158W Mountain Twin. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
Waist width + tail width divided by 2 isn’t a very accurate way to predict width at inserts unfortunately. For a couple of reasons. Firstly, the inserts reference stance is usually located slightly closer to the waist than it is to the tail/nose. So the difference between the average of the 157 Mountain Twins average of tail and waist ([294+253]/2) of 273.5mm is compared to the actual width at inserts of 266mm. The 278.5 of the 158W is compared to what I would predict actual width at the inserts to be 271mm. If it was 278.5mm at the inserts, then it would be wide enough, IMO. And the Mountain Twin is actually closer to predicting it using that method than a lot of other boards, given a relatively narrow tip and tail width and a wide reference stance. For example the difference of 7.5mm, using that calculation vs the actual width at inserts was actually one of the smallest differences of the boards that I checked that calculation for. So trying to use that to predict the width at inserts of other boards, is likely to get an even more inaccurate result, unfortunately.
Anyway, with all that out of the way!
Oh yeah, and the further setback you ride, the wider you’ll get on your back binding, but the front binding will move to a narrower position (assuming you keep the same stance width).
Based on measuring the Outerspace Living and Salomon Assassin of different lengths, these are what I would predict to be the width at inserts:
~ Outerspace Living 159W: 273mm at inserts (264mm waist)
A little more than the Mountain Twin, but at a narrower stance width. Depending on back binding angle, I think you’d get away with this one.
~ Salomon Assassin 158W: 270mm (though the 2019 Assassin has changed shape, since the 2018 model and I haven’t measured the 2019 model, so this is based on measuring a 2018 model, so it could potentially be a little more than this. But from measuring other Salomon boards, they are typically only around 7mm to 8mm wider at the inserts compared to waist)
I haven’t measured the others in your list, so not sure about them, but I imagine the Standard (159W), Raygun (159W) and Wild Life (158W or 161W) would likely be wide enough. But, unless you’re a beginner, I wouldn’t recommend the K2 Raygun or Wild Life.
The following are quite similar to the Mountain Twin and would be suitable, IMO:
~ Rossignol One LF: 161W (266mm waist and 281mm at the rear insert at reference stance)
~ Nitro Team Gullwing: 159W (266mm waist, 276mm rear insert width – predicted)
Hope this gives you more to go off and helps with your decision
Matt says
February 7, 2019 at 3:30 pmThanks, Nate! You’ve given me a lot to chew on and it’s much appreciated. Think I’ll have to spreadsheet this. The One LF and the Gullwing were a couple others I had looked at too. Thanks for including them. Really liked what I read about the Gullwing (from your review and others I saw) and seemed like it may work given the width. Thanks again for all of your help. You rock!
Nate says
February 8, 2019 at 11:27 amYou’re very welcome Matt. Yeah sometimes you’ve got to get the spreadsheet out for these things! Hope you have an awesome season!
Adefris says
February 15, 2019 at 10:02 pmHello Nate,
I just purchased a 2019 Yes the greats 156cm snowboards with the intention of learning to ride switch, hit jumps, 180’s, and buttering. I currently ride a 2018 Yes PYL 162cm with Flux XV bindings. I am 6’0 and weigh 200 lbs. I was wondering if you think if the Flux XV bindings would be too stiff for what I am trying to achieve? And if so would you recommend another binding?
Nate says
February 16, 2019 at 10:52 amHi Adefris
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, IMO, the XV are too stiff for learning freestyle like that. Maybe if you were already experienced at those things you could get away with the XVs, but even then they still wouldn’t be ideal, IMO. Something softer for sure – and then it would be a better match for flex to the Greats too. I would go max 7/10 flex for bindings for the Greats, and since you already have your PYL and XVs, I would go a little softer again – either 5/10 or 6/10 flex – for greater variety and a more balanced quiver.
So, this list provides some really good options, IMO. If you want more options outside this list in that 5/10, 6/10 flex range, let me know, but I anything in this list would work for the Greats and what you’re trying to achieve on it, IMO.
Hope this helps
Adefris Adal says
February 26, 2019 at 9:27 amThanks Nate,
Your advice is greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Adefris
Nate says
February 26, 2019 at 3:12 pmYou’re very welcome Adefris – happy riding!
Grzegorz from Polen says
February 21, 2019 at 1:25 pmI bought K2 Maysis shoes. I want to match the binding to them. I take into account K2 Formula or Lien At. Or maybe you should think about Burton Malavita, Cartel, Ride Capo? Thank you for your help. I am looking for something universal but quite stiff. I will buy the board for a year
Nate says
February 22, 2019 at 12:01 pmHi Grzegorz
Thanks for your message.
For the Maysis (which I would consider 7/10 flex – medium-stiff), then I would be looking at getting bindings in around that same flex. Of the bindings you mentioned I would say:
– Cartel (6/10 flex overall, with a softer highback and stiffer base plate)
– Malavita (5/10 flex overll, with a stiffer highback and softer base plate)
– K2 Lien AT (6/10 flex – a little stiffer with the stiffer grommets, if they still do interchangeable grommets with this one)
– K2 Formula (6/10 flex)
– Ride Capo (8/10 flex)
So, apart from the Malavita, I think they are all a close match for the Maysis. Also check out the following, which all have what I would consider a 7/10 flex:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
David says
March 10, 2019 at 9:49 amHi Nate,
Great reviews and loads of information.
After 7 years It had come time to change my K2 Turbo Dream (159) and I went for Rome Mod Rocker (159). I have had a couple of great weeks getting to know the board and feel it is now time to change my Burton Prophecy bindings.
I love charging down the groomers but also like playing off the sides and in the park on boxes, rails and small jumps.
Which bindings would you suggest would be a great match for the new board?
David
Nate says
March 12, 2019 at 11:32 amHi David
Thanks for your message.
I don’t currently test Rome gear, so I’m not familiar with the Mod Rocker. But based on specs and what I’ve read from others, it sounds like the Mod Rocker is a relatively stiff board (but maybe softer tip/tail and stiffer between the feet). So, I wouldn’t go too soft, in terms of bindings – as you want enough power there to drive the board. But probably don’t want to go overly stiff – and will certainly want decent board feel, since you also like to play around in the park and on side hits.
So something like the Union Strata or Burton Cartel from this list would likely work well. Or if you also wanted to check out some bindings that are slightly stiffer, but still not ultra-stiff, then check out:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
All the bindings in there have good or great board feel – I don’t tend to like bindings that lack board feel, so they don’t tend to make my lists that often.
Hope this helps with your decision
David says
March 17, 2019 at 8:25 amThanks Nate,
Having looked at the All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings and reviewing the boots that I have (Thirty Two Lo-Cut with a medium flex rating) I am leaning more towards the Genesis X or Falcor.
Would these be too stiff?
Nate says
March 18, 2019 at 10:35 amHi David
I wouldn’t say they were too stiff for the board at all, based on the stated flex for the board. But like I say it’s not a board that I’ve tested personally.
On the stiffer side vs the boots, but in an ideal world, I’d probably say for the board that slightly stiffer boots would be better. But I think those would work in a combo with the boots and board.
Nick says
March 25, 2019 at 7:04 pmI’m an intermediate rider trying to progress, who feels comfortable mostly anywhere, not a park guy but do like messing with butters/presses and hitting small jumps and just having fun.
I have large cartels on my 157 lib tech terrain wrecker. I used to wear a size 11 boot when I bought the bindings, I have since sized down to a size 10 boot (k2 maysis) so I was thinking of going to a medium cartel.
If I’m going to do the swap is there another binding you like better for this board, or just better in general? I was considering the strata, salomon hologram, or just get the cartel in a medium. My inexperience with different bindings leaves me a little uneducated on this topic.
Nate says
March 26, 2019 at 10:31 amHi Nick
Thanks for your message.
The Cartel is a good match to the Terrain Wrecker, IMO. The Strata and Hologram would also be a good match. Though I’d say the Hologram is just a touch softer than the Cartel and Stata – more like 5/10 flex. So if I had to choose I’d say stick with Cartel or Strata. If going Strata definitely go Medium as the base plate on the Large will likely be too wide for the 157 Terrain Wrecker. The Large Cartel has a significantly shorter base plate than the Large Strata. But the Medium Strata should work well. A 10 will still fit in the Large Cartel, but personally (I ride 10s) I prefer medium in Burton bindings.
But yeah, anything on this list would work. But I would say around that 6/10 flex is best to match what I know of the Terrain Wrecker. But note, that I haven’t had a chance to ride the Terrain Wrecker yet (one of those boards that keeps alluding me!). So I couldn’t say for sure.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
nick says
March 26, 2019 at 5:31 pmok so I’ll rule out the hologram!
between the strata and cartel, do you have a preference overall?
Nate says
March 27, 2019 at 1:26 pmHi Nick
Overall I think I prefer the Strata, but there’s not much in it. It’s just that little bit more responsive and just a touch more in terms of board feel, IMO. The Cartels are a little more comfortable and I found had a bit more in terms of ankle support. It’s a really close call, but I just preferred the Strata.
John says
April 2, 2019 at 1:35 pmHi Nate,
I really appreciate all of your lists and help with my questions. I picked up the Funslinger in 157X the other day and now I’m looking for some bindings to go with it. I’ve had good luck with the Burton Genesis bindings on my other board (they are EST though). Do you think I should stick with the Genesis for the Funslinger or give something else a try? Also, what size would you suggest for a size 10.5 Ride Lasso boot.
Nate says
April 3, 2019 at 3:09 pmHi John
Thanks for your message.
The Genesis would certainly work for the Funslinger. And if you’ve liked Burton bindings in the past, then that’s certainly a safe bet. But if you want to try something different, you could also check out:
>>Top 5 All Freestyle Bindings
But the Genesis would certainly be a good match.
For a 10.5 Ride Lasso, you’d really be fine with a Medium or Large for Burton bindings. But I would be leaning towards large, not so much for the boots but for the board. The Large have a slightly longer baseplate which would give you a little more leverage on a wider board. I think the L would be a better fit for the 157X Funslinger than an M, in other words.
Hope this helps