The following are what I consider to be the best all mountain snowboard bindings for men for the 2020/21 season.
These bindings are rated on their ability to handle everything – the groomers, the park and the backcountry and riding any style – but they have a more of a freestyle focus than the all-mountain-freeride list (see link for that at end of post) - and suit boards with a 4/10 to 6/10 flex range best (IMO).
Of 21 different all-mountain bindings that I rated:
OK here’s my top 5.
ALL-MOUNTAIN BINDING #5=
Bindings: Union Force
- CANADA
- UK/EUROPE
Smart rating score: 84.9/100
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Kicking off the list at #5 are Union’s Force bindings.
The Force are a great all-round pair of bindings, that have the bonus of coming in at a really reasonable price tag for what you get.
A great option for those looking for a solid quality all-mountain binding but don't want to break the bank.
Check out the video below for more on the Force
Score Breakdown for the Force
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 16/20 |
BOARD FEEL | 4.0 | 16/20 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
COMFORT | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 3.5 | 7/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 84.9/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BINDING #5=
Bindings: Flux DS
- CANADA
Smart rating score: 84.9/100
Flex: Medium (5/10)
Next up we have Flux’s DS bindings.
The DS’s have the butterability of softer flexing bindings but also manage to have the response of a stiffer flexing binding – so you really can ride freestyle without compromising too much on responsiveness for when your bombing and carving up the mountain.
These bindings, typical of Flux bindings also have awesome adjustability and it’s all tool-less (apart from actually screwing the bindings into the board, of course!) so you can adjust just about everything on the fly. And they have Flux's typically good ankle support.
I rode the 2016 model of these bindings for the best part of 2 seasons (after buying a pair) and they stood up to everything I could throw at them. So in terms of durability they are tough too.
Check out the video below for more on the DS
This video is a little old now and there have been a couple of changes since then but gives you a general impression.
Score Breakdown for the DS
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 16/20 |
BOARD FEEL | 4.0 | 16/20 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 2.5 | 7.5/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.0 | 12/15 |
COMFORT | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 5.0 | 10/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 84.9/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BINDING #4
Bindings: Burton Cartel
- CANADA
- UK/EUROPE
Smart rating score: 87.1/100
Flex: Medium (6 out of 10)
And coming in at #4 we have Burton’s Cartel bindings.
The Cartel's are very versatile bindings that can compliment a wide range of different types of boards.
They will match with pretty much any board you put them on – maybe not the best on the very stiffest boards or the very softest boards but otherwise they’re versatile enough to handle everything in between (which is most boards out there).
They have a nice medium flex, bordering on medium-stiff, good board feel and great shock absorption that will allow you to still ride the park if you want to. But they won’t stop you from carving up the groomers or exploring the backcountry either.
Check out the video below for more on the Cartel’s
Score Breakdown for the Cartel
They come in Burton’s Re:Flex (which fits standard 2 x 4 insert packs (which most boards have) as well as 4 x 4 in addition to Burton’s Channel system) and in an EST version (which only fits Burton’s Channel System). Both systems provide great board feel but you get a little bit more board feel with the ESTs and just a touch more response too, but sacrifice a little in shock absorption and comfort (from my experience).
Cartel Re:Flex
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 3.5 | 14/20 |
BOARD FEEL | 4.0 | 16/20 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.0 | 12/15 |
COMFORT | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 4.0 | 8/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 87.1/100 |
Cartel EST
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 16/20 |
BOARD FEEL | 5.0 | 20/20 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
COMFORT | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 3.5 | 7/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 89.2/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BINDING #3
Bindings: K2 Lien AT
- CANADA
- UK/EUROPE
Smart rating score: 88.7/100
Flex: Medium (6 out of 10)
Next on the list, at #3, we have K2’s Lien ATs.
They offer the ideal flex (medium pushing towards mid-stiff), response and board feel for tackling everything the mountain has to offer from the park to the backcountry and provide great ankle support and easy adjustability.
What’s unique about Lien ATs is that they feature K2's Tripod tech with interchangeable pods. You get 3 sets of these pods and you can put in different sets depending on the kind of flex you’re going for – there’s a softer set, a mid set and a stiff set. For 2019 & later models the pod at the heel is larger and not really a pod anymore.
A great option particularly if you're looking for one set of bindings to cover a whole quiver.
Check out the video for more on the Lien ATs
Score Breakdown for the ATs
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 3.5 | 14/20 |
BOARD FEEL | 5.0 | 20/20 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.0 | 12/15 |
COMFORT | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 4.5 | 9/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 88.7/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BINDING #2
Bindings: Burton Genesis
- CANADA
- Third Tab
Smart rating score: 93.0/100
Flex: Medium (5/10)
Not as responsive as others in this list, but what they fall behind in, in response, they make up for in every other category.
Outside of response the Genesis are near perfect. Easy butterability, great shock absorption and a nice versatile medium flex. They are lightweight and super comfortable (helped in equal parts by the 2 part hammock highback, super conforming straps, their awesome shock absorption and a canted footbed).
Basically, if you’re after something mid-flexing and super comfortable, like you're not strapped into anything at all, you can’t go wrong with the Genesis.
Check out the video below for more on the Genesis
Score Breakdown for the Genesis
Like most Burton bindings they come in an EST version, which fits Burton’s Channel System and the Re:Flex version (which fits 2 x 4, 4 x 4 as well as the Channel system).
Genesis Re:Flex
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 3.0 | 12/20 |
BOARD FEEL | 5.0 | 20/20 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 5.0 | 15/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.0 | 12/15 |
COMFORT | 5.0 | 15/15 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 4.0 | 8/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 4.5 | 4.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 93.0/100 |
Genesis EST
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 3.0 | 12/20 |
BOARD FEEL | 5.0 | 20/20 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
COMFORT | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 4.0 | 8/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 4.5 | 4.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 89.8/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BINDING #1
Bindings: Union Strata
- CANADA
- UK/EUROPE
Smart rating score: 93.5/100
Flex: Medium (6/10)
And finally in at #1 we have the Union Strata.
Like with most Union bindings the Strata possess a response that's a little better than their flex would suggest.
And since the Strata use a mini-disc, they get that great Union mini-disc board feel as well. They're the perfect middle ground between the Contact Pro and the Falcor - a very versatile binding that can transcend styles and accommodate a wide variety of different boards.
Check out the video below for more on the Strata
Score Breakdown for the Strata
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 16/20 |
BOARD FEEL | 5.0 | 20/20 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.0 | 12/15 |
COMFORT | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 4.0 | 8/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 93.5/100 |
Over to You
Thanks for reading and I hope this list has helped you to find the best all mountain bindings for you.
If you’re interested in any of the above bindings check out the links under each binding for more info.
NOTE:
These are what I consider bindings that can do a bit of everything and are more freestyle oriented than freeride bindings. You could almost think of this list as being all-mountain-freestyle bindings.
I have created a new category of all-mountain-freeride bindings, which covers those bindings that are in between these all-mountain-freestyle bindings and freeride bindings.
Check out the link below for my top 5 all-mountain-freeride bindings list if you think this is more what you are looking for.
Any suggestions for a Yes LIbre : official flex 6 , so i guess around 5) ?
Hi SDK
Thanks for your message. Yeah, when I rode the Libre, I felt it at around a 4.5/10 – so yeah, pretty close to 5.
So, I would be looking at something around 5/10 or 6/10 for the Libre, personally. So anything from this list will work well, IMO.
Hope this helps
Which bindings would you suggest for the yes snowboard>
Hi Eli
Thanks for your message.
Which YES snowboard are you referring to? The best binding will depend on the particular model of snowboard.
Hi Nate,
I recently purchased the yes great 2021 in a size 151. I am 5’7, 130 lbs, and a size 9 boot. First of all do you think I got the proper size for the board or should I find a different snowboard that is smaller as I am an all mountain freestyle rider. Also, what binding would you suggest?
Hi Eli
Thanks for the extra info.
For bindings, anything in this list suits the Greats, IMO, but I would be leaning towards the Strata personally for the Greats. But yeah, definitely anything from this list would be a good match for the Greats.
In terms of sizing, I don’t think 151 is necessarily too long for you, but the combination of width for size 9s and the length, I would say it’s on the bigger size for your specs for all-mountain-freestyle riding. Certainly doable, but maybe not ideal.
Hope this helps
Picked up a GNU AntiGravity 2020
Ideas to match that board up with binding on here.
Mostly resorts and groomer riding.
Hi Tom
Thanks for your message.
I would be leaning towards something with a 6/10 or 7/10 flex for the Antigravity, so from this list, I would go either Strata, Lien AT or Cartel. You could also check out the options in the following:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
But certainly one of those 3 would match well with the Antigravity, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hello! I have a T rice pro hp 2020. What bindings I should buy for this snowboard?
T rice has 6/10 flex, and I want to use it in powder, freestyle and park
Thanks
Hi George
Thanks for your message.
I felt the T Rice Pro at more of a 7/10 flex. But depending on sizing and your specs, you might well feel it more like 6/10. If you wanted to match for that 6/10 flex, then I think the Cartel, Malavita, Lien AT or Strata would work well. All a good flex match for 6/10 and provide good board feel for freestyle/park.
But personally I would put something a little stiffer on the T Rice Pro – something from the following:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate, great list of bindings here and thanks for all the amazing content. Just pulled the trigger on the 2020 Yes. Typo 156W. To Pair with it, I was wondering which of these bindings would go best with it. I really like the Union Atlas, and I’ve read good things about the Union Forces as well. Would love some input on which ones would be best! Thanks.
Hi Mitch
Thanks for your message.
The Union Atlas are a little stiffer (6.5/10, by my feel), but they would still work on the Typo, if you wanted to drive it a little harder. But I think the Force would probably be the better match for that board overall. I do like the Atlas, and they have gotten even better over the last couple of models. They’re not on this list, because I have them in the following list (just because they are that little bit stiffer than those that I consider for this list):
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
But the Force almost made this list, and are definitely a solid choice for the Typo, IMO, and at a good price. But otherwise anything from this list would match well with the Typo, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate,
Thabks for the reviews and the great content, really helpful!
I’m 176lbs 6’4, 12us(46eu) size boot, i’m getting the 151 warpig and i like side hits butters and curving.
which bindig do you recommend for my size and riding style? Currently thinking either Genesis L, K2 lien AT L or XL not sure, malavita/cartel/strata also on the table.
Hi Owen
Thanks for your messages.
They’re all suitable for the Warpig for sure, IMO and can’t really make a bad choice there. They’ve all got good board feel for buttering and side hits and decent enough for carving and are all a good flex match with the Warpig, IMO. So, I think you’ve compiled a good list of options there. I would be leaning towards the Strata and Lien AT. I think they give you a little more in terms of a carve vs the Genesis/Malavita, and more board feel than the Cartel, though really not a lot in it. Like I said, you can’t make a bad choice, but I would lean towards the Strata or Lien AT, if I had to make a choice.
Hard to say whether to go L or XL for the Lien AT with 12s. You would be fine on both. But it might depend on your boots to. The XL would be the safer bet, if you’re not sure. But you could probably get on the L, particularly if you have lower profile boots.
Personally with your specs, I would go 154 for the Warpig, largely because of boot size. It’s a board you size down for because of the width, but it’s not that wide for size 12s, so you could go 154 if you wanted. But if you have your reasons for going 151, all good.
Hope this helps
Thank you so much for the in depth response! i stood on a 151 warpig and it seem to fit my feet 🙂 i wanted to make sure to have a playfull feeling on it and beacuase of my weight and style i thought it would be a better bet than the 154. If you say the strata and lien are pretty much the same i’ll go with the L strata for safety 🙂 again thank you so much for the help! Best wishes 🙏✌
You’re very welcome Owen. Thanks for visiting the website and hope you have a great season when it rolls around again!
Hi Nate,
Could I get your advise on Strata vs Malavitas vs Cartel for the 157 Jones MT.
Which would be a better binding out of the 3? (I’m leaning towards either the strata or vitas because of the cush to protect my knees more)
What size Strata were yours when you measured the baseplate length to be 25.8cm?
I worry that it wouldn’t fit the 157 Jones MT because of the waist width being too short for the Strata baseplate length + my boots of Adidas Tactical ADVs (US 9).
Would the binding or boots overhang the board edges if i go with the stratas?
Thank you!
Hi Louis
Thanks for your message.
All 3 would be good choices for the Mountain Twin, IMO, but I would be leaning Cartel or Strata as the better matches, flex-wise. But Malavitas work perfectly well with the MT too. I found the Strata and Vita to absorb shock just a fraction better than the Cartel Re:Flex, but the Cartel is still a good shock absorber, so there’s not much in it there.
I rode/measured the Medium Strata. With US9 Tactical ADVs you would be medium for the Stratas too (as well as for the Cartel and Malavita). I doubt you would have any issues with overhang with the medium Strata on the 157 MT. The width at the inserts (where the bindings will be mounted) on the 2021 Mountain Twin is 269mm at the back insert and 268mm at the front insert (that’s at the 600mm reference stance, but even if you were to take a narrower stance like I did and go 560mm it’s still 267mm and 266mm). So should be fine, I would say. I rode the Strata Medium on my test board which is 265mm at the back insert and 264mm at the front insert, and no issues with overhang, so should be all good on the MT. I measured the 2019 MT as a little narrower, but not by much at all, so the 2019 and 2020 157 Mountain Twin’s should have no issue with the Medium Stratas, either.
And for sure no overhang issues with the ADV 9s on the 157 MT, not even close to too much overhang there.
Hope this helps
Just bought a Yes Greats 156cm and looking to get some bindings to match. I own 10.5 K2 Maysis boots and I am an intermediate/advanced all mountain rider looking to learn more park. I have narrowed down my choices to: Union Strata, Burton Cartel, Salomon Hologram, and Burton Genesis. Any general thoughts and/or size recommendations? After reading other comments it looks like I should go L with Burton and M with Strata. In your opinion…is the Reflex tech worth it to pick a Burton? Is the $ worth it for the Burton Genesis? Thanks.
Update on my search…I am leaning towards the Burton Genesis (Large) bindings. It looks like I can go with M or L but you suggested L to a couple of other folks with similar situations in the comments. Sound good?
Hi Jeff
Yeah, going with the Large just gives you a little more leverage on the edges on slightly wider boards like the Greats. The only thing to consider is the centering of your boots. It can sometimes be more difficult to center on a longer binding, if you’re on the smaller size end of it’s recommended boot size range. Probably should be good, but just something to consider.
I really like the Re:Flex tech in terms of board feel. But I also really like the mini-disc for the same reason for the Strata.
In terms of whether the Genesis is worth the price. It really depends on what your budget is like. They are super comfortable bindings, and I think that comfort is a large part of that price. But they have OK response, great ratchets and great board feel too. If you were looking to maximize value for money, then the Cartel & Strata are really good value for money, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for the feedback. I am going to get the Genesis bindings as there are some sales this time of year. So you say the Large should provide more edge turning leverage, but less binding centering flexibility. Hmm, I am still on the fence. 🙂 Would the Medium help with any boot out concerns when carving…or would that even be an issue with the Greats? Also, I had read one review (can’t find it now) where the person said the extra heal mesh of the Genesis takes up a little more room versus the Cartel therefore if you have a 10.5+ boot then go with the L. Do you know the difference in the length between the two bindings? I tried to look up the specs on the binding but could not find the exact measurements.
Hi Jeff
Don’t think there will be any boot out concerns with 10.5s on the 156 Greats anyway, but going Medium wouldn’t make any different in this case, IMO. I would rather better boot centering than a little more in terms of leverage. You might be fine with boot centering on the large anyway, but it’s hard to say for sure.
With 10s, I still fit well in a medium Genesis, even with the hammock high back. I haven’t had 10.5s in the Genesis though, so I’m not sure. Haven’t measured the Genesis unfortunately, so I’m not sure how that compares to the Cartel in terms of length. I have recently measured the Cartel EST and Malavita EST, and a Genesis EST, and the baseplate on the Genesis EST was longer than on the Cartel EST. EST baseplates tend to be a little longer I’ve found, so don’t know how that translates to the Re:Flex models, but I imagine the Genesis Re:Flex is a little longer in the baseplate vs the Cartel Re:Flex, but that’s just a guess.
Hi Nate, you helped me choose an Assassin Pro in the Aggressive All Mountain section, thanks you were spot on with the width of the Assassin Pro in way of the inserts. The board is great, not sure when I will get to go use it though. I unfortunately have a new problem. I can’t centre my one month old Cartels (Large) on the board, I have 35mm overhang on the heel edge and 9mm on the toe with the maximum adjustment on the is very re:flex disk. So I now have to buy new bindings. I have looked at your lists the Union Strata look good but I am worried that the mini disk might have the same problem as the re:flex. I think the problem is that I am at the bottom of the size range for large bindings. I generally like to charge down the mountain and wouldn’t mind a slightly stiffer binding that the Cartels, I have size 11 K2 Thraxis boots. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I dropped by one of my local stores today but they were closed for Covid-19, so checking the bindings in person is difficult.
Hi Duncan
Thanks for the update. Hopefully you’ll get a chance to use it soon!
In terms of centering your boots with the Strata, you wouldn’t have that vertical adjustment you can make with the mini-disc, unfortunately, but with Union bindings you can adjust the heel cup. However, it’s hard to say if that would be enough to center your boots, without actually having the bindings and boots with me to check – and like you say stores are pretty much all closing with Covid-19, so it’s hard to get anywhere to try them out. I do have the Union Falcor here – which has the same adjustability as the Strata, and it looks like the heel loop can move you forward around 16mm. But it’s hard to say how much you’d need to go forward when in the far back setting of the heel loop, so it doesn’t help that much.
I would say the Falcor, as opposed to the Strata would be the best match to the Assassin Pro, flex-wise. The Strata definitely doable, but I would be leaning towards the Falcor on that board personally. Again it’s hard to say without first trying it out, but if you were able to squeeze onto the medium Falcor, then I think that would be a good option and should be fine in terms of centering your boots. But hard to say if the 11 Thraxis would fit or not. It would be pushing it, so I think you’d want to try that out first.
The Union Atlas are also slightly stiffer than the Cartel and come with great adjustability. As well as the heel cup, you can also run the disc (not mini-disc) vertically as well as horizontally. So you would get the double whammy of that heel cup adjustment and being able to tweak it further by running the disc vertically. I think that would be the safest bet, in terms of going with a large binding, to give you the best chance of centering your boots.
Nate, Thanks very much for your advice, a second time. Can you confirm that with the mini disk can’t mount it in the hell toe orientation but the universal disk you can? The Falcor’s look amazing. I found an online retailing who has the K2 thraxis size 11 boots, the large and medium Falcor’s and Atlas bindings. They will check how the boots fit on the bindings for me on Monday. I prefer the Falcor’s, but if they don’t fit will go with the Atlas. Thanks again
Hi Duncan
Mini-disc can’t run heel toe orientation, due to the holes not being far enough apart to reach but you definitely can run the universal disc both vertically and horizontally. Awesome that you were able to find someone to be able to check for you.
Hi Nate,
Great news. I got the Union Falcor in Medium. The centering of heel to toe orientation is almost perfect, only 2mm difference on heel to toe overhang. The bindings are really nice too, I am very impressed.
I bought the Cartels in Large because the guy in shop said that I should go with Large rather than Medium, in hindsight I should have tried medium, they might have fitted better on the centre of my new board board better. I am shocked how little heel to toe adjustability the Re:flex disk allows, its only about 5mm off the centre. If your feet are not bang in the middle of the Burton you size range you will probably won’t be able to get the heel to toe centering right, which is a pretty huge design issue. In future I will always buy Union bindings for their heel cup adjustment.
Anyway, thanks you very much, again for your recommendations, you saved me a lot of trouble. Without your advise, I would have bought large bindings, when the medium are perfect. I can’t wait to try out the new setup, unfortunately that is unlikely to happen until next winter.
Enjoy the summer, Stay healthy.
Hi Duncan
Awesome that your Thraxis fit the Medium Falcor and you’re able to get that centering right! They are mean bindings for sure – hope they treat you well next winter
Hey Nate.
i really enjoyed reading your reviews. great depth and honesty.
im still on the hunt for a set of bindings that would be a good match for me. im a beginner/intermediate. id say all mountain freestyle. i would like to venture into more ungroomed areas, between trees and maybe hit some jumps too. when the confidence is flowing of course.
my board is a bataleon evil twin 2019 model. my boots are a 9.5 thirty double-boa.
i was looking at the flow bindings for ease of getting in as im not the best at standing up after strapping (short arms/beer belly) and also the burton cartels. i looked in to the burton customs too but im worried they may be too much on the softer flex side.
any info you could provide would be great as this is my first board/binding set up.
cheers again
richie
Hi Richie
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the Evil Twin, but based on specs and what I’ve heard, I would say something mid-flexing – around 5/10, 6/10 would be best. Given that you’re beginner bordering on intermediate, I would say 5/10 ideally. I’d say the Custom’s probably too soft, so if you were to go Burton, then the Cartel, Mission, Malavita or Genesis would be good bets. The Mission is like a cheaper version of the Cartel.
In terms of flow, they’re not something I’ve ridden in a long time, but based on specs, I would say that something like the Fuse or possibly the Fenix would be good options. But yeah, can’t say what they’re like.
Hope this helps with your decision
thanks for the information.
cartels keep coming up on suggestions and when i’ve been doing research. along with Union Force/Contact Pro.
so i think i can narrow it down.
thanks for the help and hope you have a great holiday season and also an awesome 2020.
You’re very welcome Richie.
Hope you have/had a great holiday season and 2020 too and a great snowboarding season!
Hi Nate- hope all is well. Want to hear your thoughts about sizing. Wanted to get the union strata for my lib tech box scratcher 154
Board. The width is 25.3 and i currently have the cartels in large. I have been reading lots of review saying union bindings run big so wanted to reach out to hear your opinion. Should i get the M or large ? Thanks.
Hi Niv
Yeah Union baseplates tend to be quite long. I would say the Medium would the safer bet in terms of the board, but boots is another question.
Going back over your other comments, looks like you have Burton Swath Boots. My only concern with going Strata in M is that the Swath are quite wide in the heel and I have had someone say that they had trouble fitting their Burton AMB (sort of a Swath predecessor) into Union Ms. So that would be the only thing – if the heel cup was a bit narrow for them in the Ms.
In terms of getting into the L Strata. The top of the footbed on the Strata M measures 258mm (with the underside of the baseplate measuring 240mm). I imagine the large would be around 10-20mm longer – so it would be pushing it I would think on the 154 Box Scratcher.
Hope this helps
Def helps, thanks! Sucks because i was set on the strata. What would you recommend ? Any other union bindings ?
Hi Niv
For the Box Scratcher, the Contact Pros would work well, IMO. They are a little shorter in length too, so if you went large you might get away with it. The mediums measure 240mm on top of the footbed (vs the 258mm of the Strata) and 23.5mm on the underside of the base plate. Someone had the Large measured at a shop and let me know the size and they said it was 265mm long. I don’t know how they measured it though so, I couldn’t say for sure if that was the top of the footbed, or underside, but it was the top then the underside would be around 260mm and you’d probably get away with it, but no guarantees.
Union are longer than most, so for a lot of other brands you’d probably be OK, but some other brands are also quite long so would pay to check, if you opt to consider other brands
Hi Nate,
I have a Gnu mullair (not tested yet) and a lib Tech Orca. Then other signal flat board … searchin foe a binding that would work the best fir these boards. All mountain riding but always seeking for powder. Very little time on the park yet i like jumps and small flat tricks . In the future i consider ti have a more playfull board but for now what you recomend ? Actually i have a malavita of last year but i dont like them cause i think Are small and all the time the toe strap switches off / rejects … ankle strap is not easy /fast to hook in. Maybe my adidas boots have a very big/tall sole (size 10.5 us and malavita are M)
Well hope you understood me explanation and appreciate your reco … i eas thinking on Flux Nf2 or Stratta … falcor or genesis are too expensive… thanks bro
Hi Dalton
Thanks for your message.
I was going to say for the Mullair and Orca something like the Falcor would work really well… but then I saw your last line!
I would try for something with around a 7/10 flex for what you’re describing and to match those boards the best. I think the Strata would do the job, but ideally something just a little stiffer. I would check out the following list:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
It has the likes of the Falcor (and Genesis X which is even more expensive), but there’s also the Union Atlas and Flux XF, which are cheaper and would work really well for what you’re describing/your boards, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate
You’re very welcome Dalton. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hi Nate – sorry to bother you again! Thanks in advance for all your information. I wasn’t planning to make a purchase, but one of the local shops has a great sale going on some left over last year gear. I can get a set of either Union Strata, Union Force, or Burton Cartel at a solid discount. I would put them on my Jones Explorer for general all mtn riding, no park. Which do you think works best? I value durability (understand you don’t keep gear long enough to judge), dampness (old knees), and naturally performance! Thanks again.
Sorry, meant to include that with a 10.5 boot I’d plan to get M in Union (due to longer base plate) but was actually thinking about L in Cartel (for added leverage on edge) given the wider waist at inserts on the Explorer – does that make sense?
Hi dd
Yeah that makes sense to me. I don’t think you should have any issues with a 10.5 on Union’s M size. I also ride M (10.0 boot) and I’m not like maxing them out or anything. Maybe only if you had a boot with a big outer-sole profile, but otherwise, I’d say that M should be fine for you.
For the Cartels, you could definitely go L and I think that’s probably the best way to go. Again, you could fit in the M, but with the shorter base plate vs Unions, I think L makes sense, as you say. I mean, you can extend the toe ramp on the M to give you more leverage, but I think you’ll still get more out of the L.
Hi dd
Thanks for your message and no bother.
Firstly, in terms of dampness, I would say Strata (5/5), then Cartel (4.5/5), then Force (4/5). But all 3 are pretty good in that area.
In terms of response, I would say Strata (4/5), Force (4/5), then Cartel (3.5/5) but again very close.
In terms of overall comfort, I would go Cartel (4/5), Strata (4/5) and Force (3.5/5).
In terms of durability, it’s hard to say with those specific bindings, but I have had Burton Malavitas that I’d say I’ve ridden for around 80+ days so far, and they still function as well as the day I brought them. There is obviously some wear, but I’m finding they are holding up well. And they’re my testing bindings, so they come on and off boards all the time too.
And in terms of Union, I own Falcors – which I’ve ridden less days – maybe 15+ but they were ex-demos, so they would have had a good number of days before I got them – and been ridden by various riders (also getting taking on and off boards constantly). And they have zero issues so far. So I couldn’t say for sure for those models in particular, but I’ve good experiences so far with Burton and Union bindings that I have owned.
Hope this gives you more to go off
Thank you for the great, detailed information Nate!
Hi Nate,
You gave me some great advice before and I would appreciate some more!
I bought the Yes Basic 2018, back in October 2017 for my first board after your advice and I love it. I also bought the Union Flite Pro bindings with it.
I am maybe thinking of upgrading my bindings but I’m unsure about what is a great bindings for me right now. I have done 4 week holidays now to Austria, mainly riding on just groomers. I am having problems with the Union’s straps as the ankle strap screw keeps on coming loose. At the start of every day I have to tighten this screw back up, I have read online that a lot of people have this issue. Is is just the flite pro or all Union bindings have this issue? Or would a better quality Union be okay?
I am thinking of maybe getting a binding what is easier to get into as I always have to have to straps to the side to get my foot in. I have been thinking of the flow fuse bindings but I like to get my bindings right so I’m not sure if these are a good idea as I will be just adjusting them constantly to get a good fit all time due to the snow build up on the base plate. I like the look of the Burton bindings as the ankle strap allows you to get your boot in easy.
What bindings do you suggest for myself and matching the board flex? I think the Yes Basic 2018 flex on the website said 3.5/5.
Appreciate your help.
Thanks
Kieran
Hi Kieran
Thanks for your message.
Union had the issue for a while, but they changed their washers up for the 2019 models, which fixed the issue. I haven’t had any issues with them, but I hadn’t owned a pair until my 2019 Falcors (which I’ve had no issues with). Up until then I’d only ever tested them (and didn’t have any issues, but wasn’t riding them for more than a couple of days max). But yeah – anything in a 2019 or 2020 model should be fine.
Flex-wise, I would say that the Basic is around 4/10. YES’s old flex ratings out of 5 were, IMO, quite strange. They now do ratings out of 10 and they make more sense (to me anyway). They typically (in my experience and by my feel) rate things stiffer than they actually are, and that’s the case with the Basic, IMO. They now rate it 5/10 but I’d say more accurately 4/10. It’s softer towards the tip and tail than it is in the middle of the board I’ve found too.
Based on that, I would be looking at anything around that 4/10 or 5/10 flex range. So if you wanted to go Union again, I think the Contact Pro would be a great option (4/10 flex). The STR is a solid option (at a really reasonable price) – 5/10 flex. You could go up to something like the Force or Strata (both around 6/10 flex) if you wanted to go a little stiffer, but ideally I would say 4/10 or 5/10.
If you wanted to go Burton (to take advantage of that flex slider – which opens out the strap to make it easier to get in), then the Genesis (though quite pricey) is probably the best match – 5/10 flex. Or the Malavita – 5.5/10 flex. Again, you could go up to the Cartel (6/10 flex) or the Mission (similar flex to Cartel) if you were wanting something stiffer – and a bit cheaper.
Outside of Union and Burton, you could look at Flux DSL (4/10 flex), Flux DS (5/10 flex), Ride Rodeo (4/10), Ride LTD (5/10), K2 Lineup (4/10), Salomon Hologram (5/10 flex), NOW X YES (5/10 flex).
I haven’t used flux bindings for quite a while now – a good few years – so I can’t really say what they’re like now. But I found the ones I did have (which were lower end ones) weren’t as good as others – but like I say I haven’t tried any of their higher end bindings, and I haven’t tried them in quite some time, so I’m not really familiar enough with them to say.
But yeah for ease of getting in, without actually going to rear entry bindings (if you didn’t want to), then the Burton Genesis would be a great flex match and has that flex slider – but they aren’t the cheapest. You could maybe look into a past year’s model, if you can find it in your size, to get a cheaper deal on it.
Hope this helps with your decision
Nate,
Thanks for the reply & advice.
I will try and get a good sale price for last seasons Burton Genesis, or maybe get the Burton Malavita. I feel like I don’t want to go back to the Union bindings and have the same issue with the ankle screw coming loose, and I want something a bit easier to get into so tempted with the Burton.
Are the Burton Malavita more of a freestyle binding or will it be good for all mountain?
I am wondering what is the advantages of getting a better binding and replacing the Union Flite Pro? All bindings do the same job of strapping your boots onto your board. Apart from stiffness I don’t see difference in bindings.
Hi Kieran
I would say that the Malavita are good as both freestyle and all-mountain bindings. They’re good for more advanced freestyle vs some softer flexing freestyle bindings. But work well as all-mountain bindings too. Would be a good match for the Basic, IMO. Not as suitable for stiffer more aggressive all-mountain boards or freeride boards, but for general cruising the mountain all good.
There are a few differences in bindings – the flex/response is a big one. But there are some other factors to consider. One of the bigger factors for me is board feel. Some bindings just feel dead underfoot and don’t flex with the board that well. Some people don’t mind that, but I don’t like the feeling of a big dead spot. Burton bindings are typically really good for board feel, so if you go Burton you’ll get that. Union aren’t bad either in general, but the Union bindings with the mini-disc are better than those with the main disc.
But there are many other factors too. Like how and in what ways the binding is adjustable – so that you can get a proper fit on your boot. Shock absorption – for absorbing chatter and landings off jumps. Comfort – things like canted footbeds can add to the comfort over a long day – as do straps that conform better to your boots, and more shock absorption also adds to comfort. Some highbacks can feel like they’re digging into your calves – so some kind of padding or the way the high back is shaped can affect your comfort too. How smooth the ratchets are don’t affect the performance of the binding, but smooth rathcets feel better to use, and are usually faster to get on and off.
Typically higher end bindings tend to be lighter – and that helps on the lift, but it also helps with pop and general fatigue riding. Ankle support also differs depending on the ankle strap and the position of the ankle strap.
The height and shape of a highback can also affect the feel of a binding.
Typically higher end bindings should be stronger too – but I don’t typically test bindings for long enough to be able to determine which ones are more durable than others.
And I’m sure I’m leaving some things out, but yeah, there are a good number of things that can affect performance and comfort.
I’ve found with Union that even their lower end bindings are pretty good quality. Not to the extent of the higher end options, but always decent. So the Flite Pros, despite being as low priced as they are, are good value for money for what you get.
But yeah typically pricing often reflects flex – not always, but stiffer flexing bindings tend to be more expensive. Brands typically make their stiffer bindings more quality – most likely because they know that only more advanced riders are going to go for the stiffer options and they appreciate the extra quality and are more willing to spend more. But around that mid-flex mark there starts to be higher quality – and the Genesis/Malavita are good examples of higher quality bindings that aren’t super stiff.
That’s my take anyway.
Hi Nate,
Thank you for your advice.
I have been looking at both the Burton Genesis and Burton Malivitas bindings. I am still undecided. I can get either a pair of 2019 Genesis or 2020 Malivitas for more or less the same price.
I’m un sure what would be the best match to my type of riding and gear. I usually just ride on groomers 90% of the time, also I do a little bit of pow and a little bit of small freestyle features.
I got the yes basic 2018 and recently got the Adidas response boots(Uk 8.5) .
Do you think either of these bindings will be good or does one stand out more? I think the Genesis look weird with the two high backs but, do these work well? and I’ve heard they are comfy bindings. Also the Genesis have a stiff high back, can you feel this? Will this matter?. But I’m unsure about the Malavitas as people see them as freestyle bindings.
Would appreciate your advice again on the right binding.
Hi Kieran
Thanks for your message.
The Malavitas are good for freestyle riding and certainly for those who want to hit bigger features. For smaller features and just doing ground tricks, or starting out with freestyle, then softer flexing than the Malavitas is the way to go, IMO. But the Malavitas are used by Burton’s team rider’s doing slopestyle and that kind of thing – so they get a reputation as freestyle bindings – and are certainly good for that, but they have a flex to them which is typically more associated with all-mountain bindings. So, they do a great job for all-mountain or freestyle.
The Genesis don’t have an overly stiff highback – the highback on the Malavita is stiffer than it is on the Genesis. So if you’re not looking to get too stiff a highback, then the Genesis would likely appeal to you more than the Malavita. I would say both would match with the YES Basic, but the Genesis is probably just a slightly better match. The hammock back on the Genesis is pretty cool. Definitely adds to their comfort and helps to stick your heel into the back of the binding. But yeah, the Genesis certainly one of the more comfortable bindings going around.
So, I’d probably be leaning towards the Genesis in your case, based on what you’re describing and for your current gear. The Malavitas would certainly work as well, but I’d lean towards Genesis in your case.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hello Nate,
I recently bought Orca 2020 and cannot decide which bindings to go with. I am considering Union Strata, Atlas, Falcor and maybe even Burton Genesis and Malavitas. It looks like Orca has 7/10 stiffness, but I don’t think I will enjoy overly stiff setup as this will be my daily driver. I would appreciate your opinion. Thank you.
Hi Jay
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the Orca, so I couldn’t say for sure, in terms of how stiff I found it, but assuming that 7/10 flex is accurate for the Orca, then I would be leaning towards either the Atlas or Falcor. Having softer bindings on a stiffer board doesn’t typically make for an overall stiffer feeling setup in my opinion. I find if the bindings I have are too soft for the board, it can make the board feel stiffer. I wouldn’t go overly stiff, but going with something around that 7/10 flex range to match it is a good idea. And if in reality the Orca feels more like a 6, having a 7/10 binding will still work well.
The Atlas (6.5/10 by my feel) and Falcor (7/10 by my feel) still have some forgiveness – they’re not oppressively stiff, but stiff enough. The Strata would work, but not quite as good a flex match, IMO (depending on the actual flex of the Orca). The Malavita and Genesis might work too, but based on specs, I would go Atlas or Falcor (or Genesis X) for the Orca.
Hope this helps
good morning Nate I am about to buy new Bindings; I was happy for the Spi Ride, bought many years ago, and, disappointed with the K2 lien, they broke in several parts. today I would like to buy something resistant and last longer than a season. what advice can you give me? Thank you
Hi Umberto
Thanks for your message. For most bindings I can’t really comment on durability, since I don’t ride them for long enough to do that. But I can say I have owned Burton (Malavita – 71 days – no issues so far), Flux (DS – rode for 92 days and they were ex demo models from a rep too, so will have taken a beating before I got on them, so very tough in my opinion – zero issues) and Union bindings (Falcor – only 8 days on them so far, but they were also ex-demos so have had a lot more on them prior to me owning them) long term and they’ve stood up for multiple seasons.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hi Nate,
I really appreciate all of your lists and help with my questions. I picked up the Funslinger in 157X the other day and now I’m looking for some bindings to go with it. I’ve had good luck with the Burton Genesis bindings on my other board (they are EST though). Do you think I should stick with the Genesis for the Funslinger or give something else a try? Also, what size would you suggest for a size 10.5 Ride Lasso boot.
Hi John
Thanks for your message.
The Genesis would certainly work for the Funslinger. And if you’ve liked Burton bindings in the past, then that’s certainly a safe bet. But if you want to try something different, you could also check out:
>>Top 5 All Freestyle Bindings
But the Genesis would certainly be a good match.
For a 10.5 Ride Lasso, you’d really be fine with a Medium or Large for Burton bindings. But I would be leaning towards large, not so much for the boots but for the board. The Large have a slightly longer baseplate which would give you a little more leverage on a wider board. I think the L would be a better fit for the 157X Funslinger than an M, in other words.
Hope this helps
I’m an intermediate rider trying to progress, who feels comfortable mostly anywhere, not a park guy but do like messing with butters/presses and hitting small jumps and just having fun.
I have large cartels on my 157 lib tech terrain wrecker. I used to wear a size 11 boot when I bought the bindings, I have since sized down to a size 10 boot (k2 maysis) so I was thinking of going to a medium cartel.
If I’m going to do the swap is there another binding you like better for this board, or just better in general? I was considering the strata, salomon hologram, or just get the cartel in a medium. My inexperience with different bindings leaves me a little uneducated on this topic.
Hi Nick
Thanks for your message.
The Cartel is a good match to the Terrain Wrecker, IMO. The Strata and Hologram would also be a good match. Though I’d say the Hologram is just a touch softer than the Cartel and Stata – more like 5/10 flex. So if I had to choose I’d say stick with Cartel or Strata. If going Strata definitely go Medium as the base plate on the Large will likely be too wide for the 157 Terrain Wrecker. The Large Cartel has a significantly shorter base plate than the Large Strata. But the Medium Strata should work well. A 10 will still fit in the Large Cartel, but personally (I ride 10s) I prefer medium in Burton bindings.
But yeah, anything on this list would work. But I would say around that 6/10 flex is best to match what I know of the Terrain Wrecker. But note, that I haven’t had a chance to ride the Terrain Wrecker yet (one of those boards that keeps alluding me!). So I couldn’t say for sure.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
ok so I’ll rule out the hologram!
between the strata and cartel, do you have a preference overall?
Hi Nick
Overall I think I prefer the Strata, but there’s not much in it. It’s just that little bit more responsive and just a touch more in terms of board feel, IMO. The Cartels are a little more comfortable and I found had a bit more in terms of ankle support. It’s a really close call, but I just preferred the Strata.
Hi Nate,
Great reviews and loads of information.
After 7 years It had come time to change my K2 Turbo Dream (159) and I went for Rome Mod Rocker (159). I have had a couple of great weeks getting to know the board and feel it is now time to change my Burton Prophecy bindings.
I love charging down the groomers but also like playing off the sides and in the park on boxes, rails and small jumps.
Which bindings would you suggest would be a great match for the new board?
David
Hi David
Thanks for your message.
I don’t currently test Rome gear, so I’m not familiar with the Mod Rocker. But based on specs and what I’ve read from others, it sounds like the Mod Rocker is a relatively stiff board (but maybe softer tip/tail and stiffer between the feet). So, I wouldn’t go too soft, in terms of bindings – as you want enough power there to drive the board. But probably don’t want to go overly stiff – and will certainly want decent board feel, since you also like to play around in the park and on side hits.
So something like the Union Strata or Burton Cartel from this list would likely work well. Or if you also wanted to check out some bindings that are slightly stiffer, but still not ultra-stiff, then check out:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
All the bindings in there have good or great board feel – I don’t tend to like bindings that lack board feel, so they don’t tend to make my lists that often.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate,
Having looked at the All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings and reviewing the boots that I have (Thirty Two Lo-Cut with a medium flex rating) I am leaning more towards the Genesis X or Falcor.
Would these be too stiff?
Hi David
I wouldn’t say they were too stiff for the board at all, based on the stated flex for the board. But like I say it’s not a board that I’ve tested personally.
On the stiffer side vs the boots, but in an ideal world, I’d probably say for the board that slightly stiffer boots would be better. But I think those would work in a combo with the boots and board.
Hi Nate,
I have missed out on 2019 Gen X and Falcor but have the option of a really good deal on 2019 Katana’s in either M/L or L/X.
I appreciate that you don’t test Rome gear but would value your thoughts on how they compare, stiffness wise to the others (Rome website says 6-9) and if they would be a suitable option.
Thanks
Hi David
I have heard some say they’re mid-stiff and others around medium. And with the specs saying 6-9, I imagine they would be around that 7/10 stiffness. So, probably very similar flex-wise to the Gen X and Falcor. But that’s just a guess.
Otherwise hard to say, but they are supposed to have good dampening and good adjustability. I would guess that they don’t have as good a board feel, just based on the fact there’s no mini-disc or any other kind of tech in the base-plate/footbed that would suggest it.
Hope this helps
I bought K2 Maysis shoes. I want to match the binding to them. I take into account K2 Formula or Lien At. Or maybe you should think about Burton Malavita, Cartel, Ride Capo? Thank you for your help. I am looking for something universal but quite stiff. I will buy the board for a year
Hi Grzegorz
Thanks for your message.
For the Maysis (which I would consider 7/10 flex – medium-stiff), then I would be looking at getting bindings in around that same flex. Of the bindings you mentioned I would say:
– Cartel (6/10 flex overall, with a softer highback and stiffer base plate)
– Malavita (5/10 flex overll, with a stiffer highback and softer base plate)
– K2 Lien AT (6/10 flex – a little stiffer with the stiffer grommets, if they still do interchangeable grommets with this one)
– K2 Formula (6/10 flex)
– Ride Capo (8/10 flex)
So, apart from the Malavita, I think they are all a close match for the Maysis. Also check out the following, which all have what I would consider a 7/10 flex:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
Hello Nate,
I just purchased a 2019 Yes the greats 156cm snowboards with the intention of learning to ride switch, hit jumps, 180’s, and buttering. I currently ride a 2018 Yes PYL 162cm with Flux XV bindings. I am 6’0 and weigh 200 lbs. I was wondering if you think if the Flux XV bindings would be too stiff for what I am trying to achieve? And if so would you recommend another binding?
Hi Adefris
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, IMO, the XV are too stiff for learning freestyle like that. Maybe if you were already experienced at those things you could get away with the XVs, but even then they still wouldn’t be ideal, IMO. Something softer for sure – and then it would be a better match for flex to the Greats too. I would go max 7/10 flex for bindings for the Greats, and since you already have your PYL and XVs, I would go a little softer again – either 5/10 or 6/10 flex – for greater variety and a more balanced quiver.
So, this list provides some really good options, IMO. If you want more options outside this list in that 5/10, 6/10 flex range, let me know, but I anything in this list would work for the Greats and what you’re trying to achieve on it, IMO.
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate,
Your advice is greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Adefris
You’re very welcome Adefris – happy riding!
Thanks for the great reviews! I’ve been trying to put together a new setup piecemeal when money allows. Right now I’ve got a pair of size 12 K2 Maysis and am sort of stuck between the Union Strata and the K2 Lien AT. I was thinking about pairing them with a Jones Mountain Twin 158W. Been about six years since I’ve ridden and want to get back into it again. I’m 5’11 and about 175 lb, does the 158W Mountain Twin sound about right to you? Thanks again for the great site. It’s been really helpful in trying to nail down a setup.
Hi Matt
Thanks for your message.
Both the Strata and Lien AT are great bindings, IMO, so can’t make a bad choice there, IMO.
I think the length of the 158W Mountain Twin would work well for you. But I would be a bit concerned about whether it’s wide enough – even being a wide board. In your favor in terms of width, is that the Mountain Twin is relatively wide at the inserts compared to the waist width, assuming you ride it at reference stance. But even with that, the width at the inserts is likely to be around 271mm (27.1cm) (based on measuring the 157 Mountain Twin). The thing that’s not in your favor is that K2 boots don’t tend to be low profile. From what I’ve measured they’re usually around 3.5cm longer on the outersole than the mondo-print. The Mondo of a 12 is usually 30cm, so I suspect the Maysis 12s are around 33.5cm (but you could double check that yourself). That would mean total overhang (with a straight binding angle) of 6.4cm roughly, which would be roughly 3.2cm heel side and 3.2cm toe side. Which is more overhang than I would recommend. If you ride with a reasonable amount of angle on your back binding, then that won’t be as bad, but would still be a little narrow, IMO. But double check the length of your boots and see how long they are. I usually measure by pushing the heel against a wall and measuring the length of the boot from the wall to the toe.
If you wanted to check out other options in the same category as the Mountain Twin, check out:
>>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks, Nate! Would bumping things up to a 164W or 167W to get some extra width be too much length? Looks like Jones recommends that for those with 12+ boot size.
Hi Matt
164W and 167W would be too long for you, IMO. I don’t think you’d get much enjoyment out of those lengths, unless you were always riding big mountain in powder all the time. But for a typical resort I don’t think you’d enjoy a board that long, IMO. Ideally, something 158-160 would be a good length range for you for this type of board. You could get on the 161W at a stretch, but that would only give you a very small amount more in terms of width. I would rather see you on a 158W to 160W in a width that’s more suitable on a different board, than go for the wrong size on the board.
If you’re definitely set on this board, then I would rather you went 158W or 161W and if you ran into trouble with the width (which based on your other comment it’s still pushing it but better if 32.7cm is fairly accurate), potentially look into getting risers for your bindings. I don’t have any experience with them, but from what I hear they essentially just lift your boots higher off the bindings, to give you more angle to work with.
What kind of waist width do you think would be suitable for honking boots?
Hi Matt
Honking boots?
With 12s, I would usually suggest at least 261mm at the waist minimum, if you’re riding with something like a 15 degree back binding angle. With a completely straight angle, you’ll want to be closer to 268mm minimum. But this does also depend on the board, as width at the inserts compared to width at the waist varies, depending on the board.
Ha. Meant my honking boots.
Boot footprint seems to be somewhere around 33cm (may be 32.7) according to my measurement and conversion from inches to cm.
Hi Matt
Thanks for that. That definitely gives you more of a chance for the 158W to work width-wise, but it’s still narrower than I would recommend.
Also started looking at the Capita Outerspace Living, Ride Wildlife, K2 Standard, K2 Raygun, and the Salomon Assassin. Is (Waist Width + Tail Width) / 2 a good way to calculate the width at inserts? Looks like the Jones Mountain Twin 158W would be 278.5mm at the inserts. Not sure how setback would come into play here. Did this for the 157 too and looks like it comes out to 273.5 (you mentioned you measured and was 271 so that’s probably more accurate).
Thanks again for all of your help with sorting through this.
Hi Matt
Thanks for your message.
The width at the inserts of the 157 Mountain Twin (at reference stance of 600mm) is 266mm at the rear insert. The 271mm width at inserts is what I predicted would be the case for the 158W Mountain Twin. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
Waist width + tail width divided by 2 isn’t a very accurate way to predict width at inserts unfortunately. For a couple of reasons. Firstly, the inserts reference stance is usually located slightly closer to the waist than it is to the tail/nose. So the difference between the average of the 157 Mountain Twins average of tail and waist ([294+253]/2) of 273.5mm is compared to the actual width at inserts of 266mm. The 278.5 of the 158W is compared to what I would predict actual width at the inserts to be 271mm. If it was 278.5mm at the inserts, then it would be wide enough, IMO. And the Mountain Twin is actually closer to predicting it using that method than a lot of other boards, given a relatively narrow tip and tail width and a wide reference stance. For example the difference of 7.5mm, using that calculation vs the actual width at inserts was actually one of the smallest differences of the boards that I checked that calculation for. So trying to use that to predict the width at inserts of other boards, is likely to get an even more inaccurate result, unfortunately.
Anyway, with all that out of the way!
Oh yeah, and the further setback you ride, the wider you’ll get on your back binding, but the front binding will move to a narrower position (assuming you keep the same stance width).
Based on measuring the Outerspace Living and Salomon Assassin of different lengths, these are what I would predict to be the width at inserts:
~ Outerspace Living 159W: 273mm at inserts (264mm waist)
A little more than the Mountain Twin, but at a narrower stance width. Depending on back binding angle, I think you’d get away with this one.
~ Salomon Assassin 158W: 270mm (though the 2019 Assassin has changed shape, since the 2018 model and I haven’t measured the 2019 model, so this is based on measuring a 2018 model, so it could potentially be a little more than this. But from measuring other Salomon boards, they are typically only around 7mm to 8mm wider at the inserts compared to waist)
I haven’t measured the others in your list, so not sure about them, but I imagine the Standard (159W), Raygun (159W) and Wild Life (158W or 161W) would likely be wide enough. But, unless you’re a beginner, I wouldn’t recommend the K2 Raygun or Wild Life.
The following are quite similar to the Mountain Twin and would be suitable, IMO:
~ Rossignol One LF: 161W (266mm waist and 281mm at the rear insert at reference stance)
~ Nitro Team Gullwing: 159W (266mm waist, 276mm rear insert width – predicted)
Hope this gives you more to go off and helps with your decision
Thanks, Nate! You’ve given me a lot to chew on and it’s much appreciated. Think I’ll have to spreadsheet this. The One LF and the Gullwing were a couple others I had looked at too. Thanks for including them. Really liked what I read about the Gullwing (from your review and others I saw) and seemed like it may work given the width. Thanks again for all of your help. You rock!
You’re very welcome Matt. Yeah sometimes you’ve got to get the spreadsheet out for these things! Hope you have an awesome season!
Hi Nate,
So much info it can be super overwhelming haha! I’m heading to Japan next month and expecting a bit of pow. I have bought a Jones Flagship 162W (95kg & size 11) and I’m wondering best binding. It’ll either be powder or speed on groomers and some tree runs. Super excited. Thanks Jus.
Hi Justin
Thanks for your message.
For the Flagship, I would go for something a little stiffer than the bindings on this list. With the Flagship being 8/10 flex (by my feel), I wouldn’t go for anything softer than 7/10 flex, and preferably more like 8/10 or 9/10. If you think you want a bit more forgiveness, then something from the following would work well:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Or if you want to go stiffer:
>>Top 5 Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
While I agree the strata has good board feel, I don’t see it being in part with Burton reflex.
I own both and out one foot in a Burton reflex and the other on the strata. The Burton reflex easily has more natural board flex and the strata has a definite dead spot in comparison.
Hi Max
Thanks for your input.
Appreciate your opinion. I did ride the Malavita Re:Flex just before riding it so I did have a direct comparison. Though can’t say that I put one on one foot and the other on the other foot. Hadn’t thought of that, but I might try it when it comes to demoing some bindings this season. A very interesting idea. Certainly likely to be some difference between a stronger and weaker foot, though could then swap which foot each binding is on to get a more controlled test. Thanks for your input, and the idea!
hello nate , is there any difference between burton genesis re flex 2018 and 2019 ???
Hi Rico
No major differences from what I can tell, apart from the toe strap. A lot of Burton’s models have improved toe straps, which is nice to see, including the Genesis. So that’s the biggest (and maybe the only) difference, IMO.
Hope this helps
hello nate , Thanks for replying I will try to buy the new ones if they have better belts!
Hi Nate,
Love your reviews, very insightful and has definitely helped me a lot!
Can I get you opinion on which binding would go best with a Burton Custom Flying V? I ride mostly groomers and tree runs. I am leaning towards either the Union Strata or the Union Atlas. But of course, if you have another suggestion for bindings that will suit my board, I would love to hear it!
Thanks in advance
Hi Derrick
Thanks for your message.
Personally I would go for the Strata. I really like the board feel you get from a mini disc (which the Strata has but not the Atlas). Also I think it’s the best flex match. I rate the Custom Flying V 5.5/10 and the Strata 6/10, so that’s a really good match. The Atlas is more of a 7/10, which would be certainly doable for the Custom Flying V, but I would be leaning towards the Strata.
The Burton Cartel and K2 Lien AT would also work well, IMO.
Hi Nate,
My complements on your reviews! Really hrlpful!
I am 6,3 ft and 198 lbs and an advanced rider with a Burton SLX boot size 12. I already have a Burton flight attendant 168 and a older Libtech TRS 162. I am planning to buy the Yes standard 159W for in between, so for the groomers, three lines, off piste but also for buttering. I was going for the Genesis Binding, but after reading your review, I was wondering if the Genesis X would be better to solve the responsiveness?
Can I have your opinion on this?
Thanks in advance,
Tom
Hi Tom
Thanks for your message.
Yeah the Genesis X would be a good match for the Standard, IMO. In my books the Genesis X is a 7/10 flex and the Standard a 6/10 flex. So a pretty good match there. And yeah the Genesis X is more responsive but still has great board feel/butterability. It’s not going to be as playful/forgiving overall as the Genesis, but I think it would be a good match for the Standard and for what you’re describing.
Hope this helps
I have a 2017 Jones aviator and am looking to get new bindings for this season, was wondering what you think would match well with the aviator?
Hi Curtis
Thanks for your message.
For the Aviator, I would match it with something around a 7/10 or 8/10 flex. It’s a relatively stiff board and I find if you go too soft with bindings on a stiffer board, that they don’t provide enough power to drive it. So, I would check out the following lists for some options.
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
>>Top 5 Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
What’s your take on the K2 Cinch bindings (TS or TC) Vs, Union Atlas or the Burton Genesis.
I like the easy in/out feature of the K2s (also considered the Flow Fusion) but would naturally want to get something that gets me the best performance out of my board as well
Myself I am an intermediate rider, and getting the Jones Mountain Twin 161 W (thanks for your advice 🙂 )who is about 6’2 and weigh about 200 Lbs.
Any advice?
Thanks in advance
Hi Patrice
Thanks for your message (and sorry for the delay in response – have been on vacation and still catching up).
I don’t currently test rear entry bindings (can’t test everything!) so I can’t say much about K2s Cinch bindings. I rode some flows a few years back but I didn’t feel their performance was as good as strap in bindings, but things could well have changed since then – and I’ve never tried K2’s versions.
The Atlas and the Genesis would both match the Mountain Twin well, IMO. The Atlas is a more responsive binding, and is perhaps also better suited to your specs and to the wider 161W. Both would work, but I would be leaning towards the Atlas in this particular case.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Experienced freestyle rider here. I take a freestyle approach to the whole mountain. Got a Funslinger with Rodeos for my park board. Just picked up a NS Shaper Twin (proto t2 flex) to use for powder, charging all mountain, and surfy carves but still freestyle focused (powder butters, grabs and 180s off cliffs ect). I’m leaning towards the K2 Lien AT. Am I right to think it will give me enough response for charging but still have a little give for tweaks and board feel for carves?
Hi Lou
Thanks for your message.
You pretty much just described the Lien ATs, IMO. Enough response for charging but also provides great board feel/flex for butters, tweaks etc. You also have interchangeable “pods” in the base plate which you can swap in and out, which helps to adjust the flex, if you feel like you want it a little stiffer/more responsive or a little softer flexing.
Nate- I only go boarding 1-2 times a year for 2-3 days tops. I mainly ride groomed runs with hopes of hitting a few powder days and a little time at the park. Since I don’t go that often I tend to get sore feet/fatigued rather quickly. I just purchased the K2 Raygun 160W board and am looking for a set of bindings that provide the most comfort and least foot fatigue. I had been looking into NOW bindings because I heard with the skate tech system they reduce foot fatigue, but I’m just not sure there for me. I would like to stay under or around $220 for bindings since I just don’t go that often, what particular brands/models would you recommend for me?
Thanks for your help!
Hi Wade
Thanks for your message.
NOW aren’t a brand I demo at the moment, so I can’t give too much insight there.
One thing that might help with fatigue is getting bindings with a canted footbed. This basically means that the bindings angles in a little on the inside of the base plate. This is supposed to better align your hips, knees and ankles, which reduces fatigue.
Also something with a good bit of padding in the foot bed, will help with foot soreness/fatigue.
And to match the Raygun’s flex, something with around a 4/10, 5/10 or 6/10 flex would be a good way to go.
With all that in mind, and keeping under $220, the following would be good options, IMO:
~ K2 Lien FS – 4/10 flex ($249 but you should be able to find them cheaper this time of year)
~ Burton Cartel – 6/10 flex ($279 but you should be able to find them cheaper this time of year)
~ Arbor Hemlock – 4/10 ($199)
~ K2 Lien AT – 6/10 flex ($269 but you should be able to find them cheaper this time of year)
~ Ride Rodeo – 4/10 flex ($249 but you should be able to find them cheaper this time of year)
Hope this helps and gives you some options
Thanks! Exactly the info I was looking for!
You’re very welcome
Hi – Have you been able to try out the Burton Step Ons and if so, what are your thoughts?
Hi Bob
I haven’t tried the Step-Ons yet, unfortunately. Most of what I hear is positive, apart from a few teething issues for the 2018 models, but otherwise positive. But I couldn’t say first hand.
Hey Nate!
I just purchased the Niche Story, first new board in like 10 years and would like some advice on a binding to pair with it. It will be a bit of a swiss army knife for me in that Ill use it just about everywhere on the mountain (I dont hit the park a whole lot). Need a good all around binding with decent support. Will the Burton Genesis be a good choice for this board?
Thanks
Hi Chad
Thanks for you message.
The Story is relatively stiff (from my experience with it) – I would say around 7/10 in terms of flex. So, whilst the Genesis would certainly work, as it’s quite versatile, I would say that something a little stiffer flexing would be a better way to go, especially if you don’t spend too much time in the park.
The Cartel’s are a little stiffer as are the K2 Lien AT. Or you could check out the bindings from the list below, which I think would work really well with the Story.
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
Ok, the other two I am considering are the Rome Katana and the Union Ultra. Will these be too stiff? The Union in particular seems like it has great reviews pretty much everywhere.
Thank you soooo much for your help!
Hi Chad
Yeah the Ultras are great bindings! Just not the cheapest. I’m not currently testing Rome gear, so I’m not sure about the Katana – but I definitely wouldn’t say that it’s too stiff for the Story – based on how it’s rated, I’d say it would be a good match with the Story.
And I don’t think the Ultras would be too stiff either – in fact they would be a little bit softer than the Katana, IMO. They do have a relatively stiff highback, but the base-plate is softer flexing. Also, so there’s not confusion, I’m talking “Ultra” as opposed to “Ultra FC”, which is a different story, that is a very stiff binding – but I wouldn’t say it would be out of the question for the story but getting on the stiffer side for it.
Hello! sorry for my English. I bought a Capita DOA table and now I have to buy bindngs. My old board was a Nitro Team with Nitro Blackhawk attacks with which I found myself beautifully. I do not know if they are all mountain freeride or all mountain freestyle. I like to do off-piste, track, go among the trees and go in fresh snow as soon as possible, a few jumps in the park, I prefer to find small off-piste jumps. I would like a reactive attack and I was thinking of the Union T.Rice but I’m afraid it’s too stiff and tiring for me that I’m not a professional. I read that with the capital DOA, many people use the union force but I’m afraid it’s not very responsive. I am also undecided between a Cartel or Mission. The price changes little between one another. I appreciate your help !!
Hi Fabio
Thanks for your message.
I personally liked having stiffer bindings on the DOA – I really liked it paired up with the Union Ultra FC – now that’s a very expensive binding and not suggesting that – but I felt this board likes a stiffer binding than it’s flex suggests. Usually I’d pair a board with this kind of flex with something around a 5/10, 6/10 flex. But I think you can go stiffer if you want to with this board. So that brings the T.Rice in as an option.
But if you’re worried about the stiffness of the T.Rice being too tiring for you, then one of the options would work as well.
The Force are, IMO, more responsive than the Cartel and the Mission – so, IMO, responsiveness shouldn’t be an issue there. Where the Cartel/Mission are better is in terms of board feel – they flex more naturally with the board than the Force. The T.Rice are both more responsive than any of the other options and, in my experience have the best board feel of the 4 here. So, I think they are a great option – but if you want to go with something a little softer, then that’s understandable.
In terms of flex I would say the following:
~ T.Rice 8/10
~ Force 6.5/10
~ Cartel 6/10
~ Mission 6/10
Any of these options would go with the DOA, IMO. Personally I’d go with the T.Rice but if you want a flexier option, then it will depend on whether you want a little more response and sacrifice a little board feel or want more board feel and sacrifice a little in response.
Hope this makes sense and helps with your decision.
Thanks for the answer Nate !! You’ve been really great! 🙂 I think I will combine my DOA with T.Rice because I felt good with Raiden BlachHauwk and I think they can be comparable in terms of flex and response …. right?
Hi Fabio
I don’t have any experience with the Raiden Blackhawks, but based on what I could find out about them, it sounds like they were relatively stiff – but I couldn’t accurately say how close they are in stiffness/response to the T.Rice. But yeah I think the T.Rice and the DOA are a good match.
Hi, Nate!
What about BURTON MISSION?
Hi Tony
Yeah you could put Mission’s on the Mountain Twin, for sure. Not going to be quite as nice as the Cartels – but quite similar to Cartels from a couple of season’s back. Would work for sure.
Hi Nate,
Great reviews like always
What bindings would you recommend for the capita horrorscope 2017. Would you say any of these would be fine? I like to ride a bit of everything.
Thanks,
F
Hi Fridrich
Thanks for your message.
Yeah you could ride anything from here on the Horrorscope – though the bindings here that have a 5/10 flex would be a better flex match. I would rate the Horrorscope a 4/10 for flex, and anything with a 4 or 5 out of 10 would be a great match. 6/10 would work too, but I’d prefer 4 or 5 for that board. Also check out the bindings in the following list for more options:
>>Top 5 All Freestyle Bindings
Hope this helps
Thank you! This is an incredible response.
I’ll go for the 152 Basic then. I have also found a pair of Genesis 2017 for the same price of 2018 Malavitas. I am unsure which one to go for. My idea is to focus more on tricks and freestyle, but I’m not too keen on the park (rails).
Thanks,
Vito
You’re very welcome Vito.
I think I’d still go for the Malavitas if focused on freestyle. If you were a little more all-mountain focused, then Genesis, but in your case Malavita. But that said, either would do the job well. They’re not too dissimilar.
Hello!
In the end I went for Basic 152 and Genesis. I haven’t tried them yet, but they should be a good match for my Burton Rulers, which are now a bit softer than they used to be.
Thanks again!
Vito
Hi Vito
Thanks for letting me know. I think that setup will work well. Let me know what you think, once you’ve had a chance to test it all out.
Thank you very much.
Just another quick question related to this. I’m 176cm tall and about 68kg. I’ve always found the Darkstar stiff for me. I tried a 152 skatebanana and it felt like a much better fit, however I think I’m going to get the Yes Basic. Do you think I should stick to a 155 or downsize to a 152?
Thanks!
Hi Vito
I’d put you on around a 155cm, as an all-mountain size. Since the Basic and the Skate Banana are more freestyle focused, then the 152 could definitely work for you and the 152 would be a better size if you are more at the beginner end of things. It would also be a bit narrower, which would suit your boots better than the 155 Basic too, IMO.
The Basic 152 (250mm waist, 293mm tip and tail) would still be a little wider overall than the 155 Darkstar (247mm waist, 292mm tip and tail) – so you get a bit more width, which is ok as you’re sizing down.
Just note that the 152 Basic will have an effective edge (115cm) considerably less than the 155 Darkstar (121cm), but this might not be a bad thing for you, but it will feel different and be a little bit of an adjustment. However, the 152 Basic (115cm) has a little more effective edge than the 152 Skate Banana (114cm).
On balance, I think the 152 Basic would be the best option for you. You could ride the 155 and I think you’ll find it a lot more forgiving than the Darkstar, and that’s definitely an option but I would just be leaning towards the 152.
Hope this helps
Hello,
I currently have a K2 Darkstar from 2009 (full camber) and a pair of Union Danny Kass (the yellow ones) from 2010. I am thinking of updating my bindings since my top strap keeps unscrewing itself and making the entire binding loose. I was looking at either the Malavita or Genesis. I am not interested in the Genesis X as I don’t spend enough time in powder. Which one would you recommend, considering that I am also planning to update my snowboard at some point to either a Yes Basic or a Skatebanana?
Thanks,
Vito
Hi Vito
Thanks for your message. Assuming you like riding freestyle, which it sounds like you do, given your choice in boards, then I would say the Malavita. Both the Genesis and the Malavita are good for riding freestyle but the Malavita is just that little bit more freestyle focused. Both would definitely work, IMO and TBH they are quite similar bindings – but assuming you’ve got quite a freestyle focus I’d say Malavita (and you save yourself a bit of cash too). If you are more all-mountain oriented, then I’d say the Genesis over the Malavita – but the Malavitas still do the job as all-mountain bindings too – so still wouldn’t be a bad choice, especially if you were wanting to save cash.
Hope this helps
Thank you very mich for your reply!
My boots are size 8.5 US and footprint reduction is rather good. Would you get the Malavita in S or M?
Thanks!
You’re very welcome.
I would say go for Ms for 8.5s. Burton bindings sizings are based on Burton boots sizings and Burton boots have good reduced footprint too – so those sizes already take into account reduced footprint. You might be ok in an S – but I think the M would be a better fit – and a safer bet.
What bindings would you recommend for the yes typo? I’m in between a beginner rider and intermediate rider I would say. Would you say any of these would be fine? Getting the typo for the fact it’s a do all kind of board and I should be able progress on it for awhile.
Hi Sean
The Typo is a great do-it-all board and great for your ability level too – so good choice there, IMO.
In terms of bindings, yeah I’d say anything here would be a good match to the Typo. Everything here is pretty much intermediate and up but if you feel you’re close to intermediate, then I think you’ll be fine on any of these bindings. Probably the DS, Ultra and Genesis in terms of flex are the best as they’re just a little softer than the Cartels and Lien AT.
If you wanted to go softer you could look at beginner bindings – but if you went that way you’d likely feel the need to upgrade within a couple of years.
Hope this helps
I actually ended up getting the burton customs for Christmas. So I hope those do well.
And as always thanks for your quick response and great input.
Hi Sean
The Custom’s should work fine with the Typo and for your ability level. Something you might feel the need to upgrade from once you become more advanced – but perfectly fine for right now – great gift to get. Hope you had an awesome Christmas and have a great season ahead!
Yeah, honestly Nate I think I am gonna go with the Falcors for the mini disk and responsiveness cause I feel like I am more of an aggressive all mountain rider with some freestyle thrown in. I feel like I just can’t get that quick edge to edge carving speed and power with my IPOs. I’m most definitely not anti-Burton at all, I just want something more response oriented while retaining that playful feel and it seems like the Falcor or the Ultra would do just that for me. Yeah though, the Contact Pros just seem like they’d be way too soft for my taste. Even though you say the Burtons are more comfortable in your opinion, I feel like my IPOs are dreadful, and any binding I get from Union would have to be more comfortable than those things.
I also believe the reasoning the IPOs feel so slow is due to the fact of my boots being a half a size to big. So I’m gonna go with something that will give me a slightly more snug feel. I feel pretty confident about the Falcors though especially after that response man.
Hi Nick
Awesome, yeah sounds like the Falcors should work great for you. And you should definitely notice a good step up in response over the IPOs.
So sadly, I don’t think I have access to the falcor in store, but I might with Atlas. This local snowboard shop I found seems to be pretty anti Burton, but gave decent advice for Union bindings. Unfortunately, they only have Forces and Contact pros. After watching more reviews about the Genesis I don’t know if it’s the binding for me. That reflex disk just looks really flimsy, I feel like I might like the mini disk idea better than the reflex. So unless I want to spend $400 plus to get the Ultras, it looks like the Falcor would be my best bet. However, do you think that is too much response to be riding only on groomers? As for the Atlas, if I can still ollie, butter, and press with them I think I’d be happy there too. Lastly, in your own opinion, how much of a difference in regards to response would there be between the Genesis, Atlas, and Falcor. Like a lot or very little? Thanks man
Hi Nick
I’m not really on board with the anti-Burton sentiment – but everyone has their opinion and preferences. And if it doesn’t sound like the binding for you, then that’s all good.
You can definitely still ollie, butter/press on the Atlas, it’s just not as easy as with something like the Genesis – or the Contact Pros – or the Falcor for that matter. I actually found the Force’s were easier to butter with/had better board feel – but that’s maybe just that they’re a little softer – though not by much.
From my perspective I would say that, flex-wise:
Contact Pros: 4/10
Genesis: 5/10
Force: 6.5/10
Atlas: 7/10
Falcor: 7/10 or maybe 7.5/10
But I’d say that the Contact Pros are just as responsive as the Genesis, though they’re a little softer flexing – and the Falcor’s respond better than the Atlas, even though they’re a similar flex-feel. Though they’re probably actually stiffer than the Atlas – they just don’t necessarily feel as stiff as they are, probably due to the way it flexes more naturally with the board.
I’d say just because of their feel, that the Falcor wouldn’t overpower the PT2 too much – sometimes pairing a stiffer binding with a softer flexing board can do that but I don’t get that feeling from the Falcor – it will certainly likely quicken up the edge to edge speed of the PT2 though, compared to your IPOs. But I haven’t ridden the Falcor with the PT2, so I couldn’t say for sure, there. But I have ridden the Ultra FC (stiffer again – 8/10) on a board only mildly stiffer than the PT2 and they felt great – they just made the board livelier/more responsive but without feeling like they were too much.
The Contact Pro would also be a close match – the concern there would be the opposite of the Falcor – that they wouldn’t have enough power to power the PT2 because they’re a little softer. Again, couldn’t say for sure. But I think I would personally want to go with Contact Pros or Falcor for all-mountain-freestyle riding. The Falcor’s if you want a lot of power and response, and the Contact Pros if you want something a little easier going.
But yeah, something with that mini-disc just really improves the board feel/butterability, in my experience. That’s just my experience of course, but that’s what I would go with, for this type of board/type of riding.
Hey Nate, so I decided to go with the Proto Type Two 157! Thanks for the help I’m super pumped to try it out. I figured there was no way to go wrong with this board.
I need help with another dilemma though. I decided I was either going with Burton Cartels, Malavitas, or Genesis as I don’t think it will make too much of a difference on which one. However, I found an awesome discount on 2017 Union Force Bindings that is going to expire relatively soon. So I’m wondering if they are any good. I have read a lot of mixed reviews about Union bindings from pieces digging into boots to adjustable pieces coming loose and not very stiff high backs. Whereas Burton bindings seem to be very consistent in reviews. They are $80 less than the Cartels and $150 less than the Genesis. Money isn’t a huge concern, but if I can save on something similar it would be nice. Keep in mind, I am coming from a pair of older Now IPOs, I’m not to used to either brand.
Also, curious about what size you would recommend for a pair of 32 Boots and which one is better our of the Lashed, TM2, and TM3 (only traditional).
Thanks in advance man!
Hi Nick.
Nice work. Would love to hear your thoughts on the PT2 once you’ve had a chance to ride it.
The Force are what I would call solid, dependable bindings but not spectacular. They’re probably a touch stiffer than the Cartels but not by heaps. Probably a little more responsive too, but very similar again. They have a similar level of shock absorption as the Burton options but I’d say they’re not quite as comfortable and don’t have as good a board feel (though not too bad either).
They also have a looser, sort of surfier feel to them. If that sounds appealing, then they’re a good option but if you are looking for a firmer ankle support, then Burton do a better job there, IMO. Compared to the IPO, I would say that they have a similar feel in terms of ankle support as Burton bindings but don’t have the same level of board feel as the Burton’s – probably similar but maybe not quite as much as the Force. I’d say the IPO are probably the least responsive so you should get a little boost there whichever you go with – not massive, but noticeable, IMO.
In terms of pieces digging into boots, I’ve never experienced this with any Union bindings, so I’m not sure if they had them set up correctly or what the story was there. And I’ve never had pieces come loose – but I haven’t owned any Union bindings, only demoed them, so I’ve never had them long enough to know if that happens or not. The high backs are relative to others in the industry, IMO – but it depends on the model too – some models are made to have soft high-backs, others are made to have stiff high-backs and others are made to be somewhere in between, so it depends on the model.
>>Union Force Review
I find that 32 boots fit me half a size up. So I’m usually a size 10 in boots but for 32 boots I need a 10.5. In terms of what’s better, I think it depends because those boots are different. The Lashed are mid-flexing (5/10 bordering on 4.5/10) and the TM2 are mid-stiff (7/10). I haven’t ridden the TM3, but it sounds like they are in between the Lashed and TM2 in terms of flex. But they do have the higher level liner – which is part of the reason they’re more expensive.
I think the Lashed would be fine with the PT2 – they are a flex match. But when it comes to boots you can go a little stiffer than the board, IMO – but I wouldn’t go softer than the board – and I wouldn’t go super stiff either though. But up to 7/10 for the PT2 would be fine (same for bindings).
Hope this gives you more to go off.
Hey Nate, so I finally got a chance to ride the NS PT2, and oh my, this board can seriously rip into a carve. I love everything about it. With just one day on the hill, I taught myself switch (somewhat decently), learned butters, presses, and jumps on it. This board can seriously do it all man. It’s playful yet aggressive when I want it to be. It is truly everything I could ask for in a board.
I am really beside myself with bindings I originally decided on Genesis Bindings, but all these people at my local resort seem so against them saying Burton has gone down hill. To my knowledge I don’t believe I’ve ever used Burton anything except mittens, in which the inside liner has ripped after only 20 days of use, but other than that I have nothing against them. All reviews I’ve read were great. Which do you think would be more comfortable the Genesis or an Atlas? Especially now that I’ve found I enjoy all mountain freestyle.
Also, my boot size has apparently been off. I went to one of my local ski shops and the guy measured me out at around a 7.5 mondo print and seemed convinced I should size down. Everything I tried on was way to tight even 8’s. I went to a better store where I could try on different types of 32 Boots, and there is no way I am any smaller than a 9 or a 9.5 in that brand. In some my toes felt great, with them just grazing the edge. In one boot I really liked the outside corner of my big toe was pushing just a tad too much against the toe of the boot, but only in certain positions like leaning for example. The guys at the store told me to remember that it will pack out once it’s heat molded and broken in. So if I really like the boot should I try to make it work with molding an everything or try for a difference boot?
Thanks man for the help, especially with the my board decision, you helped me get exactly what I wanted!
Hi Nick.
Glad you love the board – it is a killer deck right!
In terms of bindings, I would personally go for the Genesis over the Atlas for that particular board. No doubt the Atlas will be more responsive – they give a bit more in that area than the Genesis for sure. But personally I really like the board feel of the Genesis – I found the Atlas to be fell more dead underfoot – not super-dead but just don’t feel like they flex as well with the board than the Genesis. Something like the Union Ultra would give you the board feel that matches the Genesis and responsive that matches the Atlas – but they aren’t cheap! The other option is the Union Falcor – bit stiffer than the Atlas – but also, even more responsive and with better board feel. And not quite as expensive as the Ultra. Also note that when I say Ultra I don’t mean “Ultra FC” (which is even more expensive but also significantly stiffer and I would say too stiff for the PT2).
But yeah, between the Atlas and the Genesis, I think it would depend if board feel or response were more important to you. Or if you’re willing to pay extra to get both. In terms of comfort, I personally found the Genesis more comfortable than the Atlas. Overall for all-mountain-freestyle, I would personally prefer the Genesis – if I was going to be just bombing down the hill, and on certain boards that I might just be doing that on, then I’d prefer the Atlas just for that extra response and would be less concerned about board feel.
Yeah with boots, I find that 32s are usually half a size longer for me than other brands. I’d say if your toe isn’t like really having to curl up, then they will probably ok once broken in – but boots don’t tend to pack out as much as they used to – the fit in store is getting closer to their longer term fit – but they’ll certainly pack out a bit – and with heat molding they’ll shape to your feet better – it’s hard to say for sure without actually feeling how much pressure is on your toe.
Hope this gives you more to go off – keep enjoying that PT2!
Wow that’s interesting, I wouldn’t have expected the Atlas to feel more stiff tan the Genesis. I’m probably just going with the Genesis, I like the binding overall, and maybe see what the Falcor feels like in store. I’m sure that the Genesis can still carve super well.
Yeah, my toes definitely weren’t curled up, it was more of a concern with the one spot on the big toe with a tad bit too much pressure. I’d rather get something that is going to fit me later on down the road and not something for just right now, you know? Yeah, I got a couple of boots to compare anyways. Thanks for the help.
You’re very welcome. Yeah Genesis definitely softer than the Atlas. “Genesis X” on the other hand maybe a little stiffer than Atlas – but not by heaps.
Hi Nate,
Thanks for such a great website. It’s amazing with all the info and your detailed and thoughtful answers.
I’ve got a 2016 Jones Hovercraft (7/10 flex) with 2010 Flow boots and Flow bindings but the bindings are old so I need to buy new ones. I’m leaning towards Cartel over Genesis. Would you agree, or are there other bindings from your list you think is better? Since the hovercraft is directional and made for pow I obviously don’t ride the parks or do any buttering, but when the pow’s not there I spend quite a lot of time on the groomers.
Thanks for your input!
Hi Ludvig
Given the board and the style you describe, I think the Cartels would be the better pick in this case. They are just a tiny bit more responsive than the Genesis, though there’s very little in it, IMO. But where the Genesis excel over the Cartels is in butterability/board feel. If you don’t need that, then the Cartel’s would work better – and they’re a little stiffer (6/10) than the Genesis (5/10), which is a better match for your board.
The other option would be to look at something all-mountain-freeride (see list below) – bindings that I put in this category are stiffer than the bindings in this list but not as stiff as what I categorize as freeride bindings.
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Note that this list isn’t currently updated for 2017-18 season (but it’s close on the list now!).
Hope this helps
Hi again Nate,
Thanks for your help, it really helps! I’ve read your Top 5 All Mountain Freeride Bindings list and googled around and I have a follow-up question.
What I want to do above all is to go off-pist, preferably in fresh snow among trees. I don’t do any kind of crazy jumps off high cliffs or bomb down the hills at extreme speeds even though I like to go at fairly high speeds and jump off smaller stuff.
But I also like to carve (in the slope), but with the setup I’ve got now, at especially my heel turn, the board “studders” and looses its grip. Maybe that’s the board (it was even worse with my old Flow-board), or me, but if possibly I’d like my new bindings to help out with that. Carving is something I’d like to improve on too. With these things in mind and that my board has a 7/10 flex, do you think the Genesis X would be ok or is the Cartel’s 6/10 a better match? I’ve snowboarding perhaps a week per year the last 20 years so I’d see myself as an advance rider.
Thanks a lot again!
Hi Ludvig
I think the Genesis X would be a great match with your board – but the Cartels would work too. With the Genesis X, you’re going to get a bit more response out of your board than with the Cartels. I don’t think it would help with the studdering or the grip – but that’s going to be the main advantage over the Cartels. This would be better for carving and at high speed, but the Cartels aren’t too far behind in that sense. Typically softer flex will give you a bit more maneuverability at slow speeds – so that’s something else to take into account.
Hope this gives you more info to go off.
I went for the Cartels, basically to not loose maneuverability at lower speeds.
Thanks a lot for your help Nate!
Hi Ludvig
Thanks for letting me know your decision. Hope the Cartels treat you well.
Hi Nate,
Last year I purchased a set of Burton Genesis bindings after the binding received praise from so many websites, I was pretty disappointed with them. I would go as far as to say if you’re an advanced rider, the genesis is a waste of your time. Im a hard charger on the mountain and the Genesis bindings just couldn’t keep up. They were extremely comfortable but that is the only praise I would give them. But after trying out a set of NOW bindings, I would choose NOW bindings 9 times out 10 over burton or any bindings on this list. Its crazy to me how NOW never makes top ranked bindings for anything but the burton genesis (which I find to be a pretty weak binding) makes top 5 or even number 1 constantly. Have you ridden NOW bindings before?
Thanks
Hi Daniel
Thanks for your input.
I wouldn’t say that the Genesis are amazing in terms of response (which is why they get a 3/5) so they’re not great if you’re a hard charger. This isn’t a list for hard charging bindings. This is for bindings that are all-rounders. If you were looking for hard charging bindings, then the bindings in the following lists are what I’d look at.
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
>>Top 5 Freeride Bindings
I don’t typically test NOW bindings but I have ridden the IPOs. I would put those in this category – but I definitely didn’t find them any more responsive than the Genesis. And didn’t like the board feel as much as I do with something like the Genesis. But still I liked them, they’re well made bindings.
I’m guessing you’re probably riding something like the Drive or the O-Drive, which are supposed to be quite responsive – but I haven’t ridden them, so I couldn’t say for sure.
It sounds like response is certainly the most important thing to you – and in that case, especially if you’re an advanced rider, then I can see why the Genesis wasn’t to your liking – but it’s a great binding for what it’s made for and I still consider it the top of this category out of all the bindings I’ve demoed.
Hi Mate,
Which burton bindings would you suggest for a Lobster Halldor Pro and which for an Endeavor Archetype? (A bit niche boards I know)
Thanks for you help!
Hi Jarod
These aren’t boards that I’ve demoed, so I couldn’t say for sure – but just based on a little bit of research and based on matching flex, I would say:
It would depend on a couple of things:
This is based no the Archetype having a mid-stiff flex of 7/10 and the Halldor having a mid flex of 5/10.
If you are looking for one pair of bindings for both of these boards, then I think the Cartels would be a great option to match both boards.
If you’re looking for separated bindings then:
The Genesis X Re:Flex or Cartel Re:flex for the Archetype – or the Missions if you’re looking to go a little cheaper.
The Genesis or Malavita or Cartels/Missions for the Lobster Halldor.
The Genesis or Malavita would still go with both, as they’re pretty versatile but the Genesis X would be best for the Archetype – the Genesis X could also go with the Halldor (so that could be both too) but it wouldn’t go as well as the Genesis or Malavita. Whereas the Cartel/Missions would go with either equally, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Ik was wondering which binding would best suit nu current setup. I have a Never Summer Proto Type Two and the Ride Insano Boots. Ik know the boots are more for freeride user buy i stumbled upon them for a really good price.
I was doubting between the cartels and the Genesis. The riding I do is mostly on groomers and some pow. And I like to pick up some buttering and jumps/tricks outisde the park.
Which binding would you recommend?
Greetings,
Milan
Hi Milan
I would say the Genesis overall are your best choice. But both would certainly work with that setup and for what you want to do. Since the Insanos are quite stiff flexing boots, then there could be an argument to go with the Cartels (which are slightly stiffer than the Genesis) – but I think that the Genesis (which are medium flexing, same as the Proto Type Two) would give you a little bit more in terms of your buttering and are just as responsive as the Cartels.
The Cartels are of course cheaper too, if price is a factor for you.
So yeah, both would do the job, with the Genesis doing it slightly better, IMO.
Thanks a lot Nate!
Thuis was the last bit of info In needed. Genesis it is.
Greetings,
Milan
Hi Nate
First off I’d like to commend you on your feedback. A friend just recommended me your site and it’s a wealth of knowledge and your response are always well thought out and insightful.
I picked up a 16-NS West/14-Cartels and late last season a 16-NS Funslinger(a blazer to whip around) that I’m looking for another set of bindings for to have 2 setups ready to go. Big NS fan (Revolver,Raptor,Heritage) and love the new Ripsaw profile. Daily surfer, 6’2″ 195 with size 12.5 Salomon Malamute boots(all wide boards) advanced rider 20-30 days a year, surf the mountain hit everything like a grom. Had the 15-Genesis bindings but the toe caps kept slipping over my boots and due to me being on the last hole I had to sit down to strap in.
Looking for a binding for the FS to match the playful nature of it. Also interested in another set of boots(always had really stiff boots, narrow feet Salomon seem to fit well) to maybe loosen up my game.
Thanks in advance
Hey Edward
In terms of bindings for your Funslinger, I’d check out the following list:
>>Top 5 All Freestyle Bindings
Anything there should pair well with your Funslinger. The Contact Pros would be my first choice.
In terms of boots, also check out the following:
>>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots
The boots in this list are all medium flexing (5 or 6/10). The Malamutes are pretty stiff, so even going to a medium flex will soften things up and maybe that’s the best bet – so as not to go too soft. I’d say the Malamutes are probably an 8 or even 9/10. In terms of Salomon options if you wanted to stick with Salomon boots, you could look at the Dialogue, the Launch and the Hifi, which all have roughly a medium flex. Note that I haven’t updated that list for 2017-18 yet so it relates to 2017 boots.
Hope this helps.
Hey Nate,
I’m weighing up 2017 versions of the Malavitas and Flux DS. I’ll be riding the Never Summer West. Generally all mountain riding, intermediate/advance level, mostly carving groomers but occasional park lips and powder days as well.
Thanks!
Leo
Hi Leo
Two quality choices there and both would work with the West, IMO. I rode the 2018 West with the Flux DS (I own these bindings) recently and they definitely work. But the Malavitas would also be a good match.
I would say the DSs have slightly better responsiveness over the Malavitas – so probably going to be a bit better for your carving. But the Malavitas have a bit more in terms of board feel/butterability.
The Malavitas have a good bit more shock absorption, which is the DSs biggest weakness.
But otherwise there’s not too much in it.
If responsiveness is the most important thing for you, then go with the DSs – but if you’re willing to sacrifice a subtle amount of response for more shock absorption and a bit more board feel, then the Malavitas would be the way to go.
Hope this helps with your decision.
I can’t decide between the burton missions and malavitas. This will be my second bindings. I have only been riding a couple seasons, but I was able to ride a black diamond last season without needing to leaf down or anything. I’m pretty solid on blues. I have a camber board but it’s a ‘soft camber’. I have burton ruler boots. My current bindings are ass, they are some flow bindings, and I keep having trouble with control. I feel like sometimes I don’t have control of my board especially when going fast. I assume these are the source of my problem as my boots are good and my board is decent. I have found a good price on the missions (170) and the malavitas (204). Which do you recommend for an all mountain rider who is not sure if he’s going to do a lot of park or not or just bomb groomers. I could get the cartels, but there is no good deals on them, lowest I saw was 240. I am leaning towards the malavitas.
Hi Reza
Thanks for your message.
I would lean towards the Malavitas too. The Missions would be a solid choice too – but the Malavitas are just that little bit better and in my opinion would be worth the extra $34 investment. Without knowing the model of flow bindings that you have, I couldn’t really comment on how much difference they will make – but the Malavitas are quality bindings so I think they will suit you well. They shouldn’t be too stiff as to be too unforgiving for you – but they’re also not too soft flexing so you should be able to get some reasonable response out of them.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
How do you rate Rome Katana in terms of response, buttering, boot support and shock absorption? I see you have it in your bindings catalog but they did not make top 5 and there is no review on a site. I found a good deal for 2017 model, I’ve read very favorable review of it but I curios of your opinion. Will it be a good fit for a mid flex board (5/10) mostly for carving groomers and some freestyle ride?
Thanks!
Hi Matt
Katanas weren’t far from making this list. I would say they are a 4/5 for responsiveness. Similar to the DSs. But the board feel/butterability not quite as good – 3/10. So the bindings on this list are probably a little better when it comes to freestyle riding. Shock absorption is great and is up there with the Burton Genesis and the Union Ultra – so, in this sense they are good for freestyle stuff.
They will definitely match well with a mid flexing board, so definitely no issues there.
So yeah, overall I would say they would be great for groomers, a good fit with a mid-flexing board and decent for freestyle (great shock absorption but average in terms of board feel/butterability).
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate
I have to say I’m a bit disappointed with butterability. Rome claims that Katana is a binding with a smallest board contact in the industry so together with a mini disk I though that the board feel would be awesome.
One more question, how did you feel their weight, are they light?
Hi Matt
I would say they are pretty light – maybe not the lightest I’ve felt but lighter than average.
Also with butterability keep in mind that mine is just one opinion. I haven’t had the chance to extensively test the Katana’s and I’m hoping to get more time on them in the future – after which I could change my opinion. I just felt in comparison to the others in this list it didn’t feel as good to me. But maybe 3 is a little low. They certainly butter better than the average binding, certainly better than stiffer bindings – they just had some tough competition to go up against that I felt were better.
Again me =)
Could you give me second advice about All Mountain Bindings? Cartel or Genesis for GNU Metal Gnuru? This is my main board – groomers and buttering and little bit jumps. Is Genesis as better as more expensive?
Thanks!
Hi Veresk
You could use either of those 2 with the Metal Gnuru. I do prefer the Genesis and the main reason for that is I find them to be more buttery and have a little better board feel, but with the same kind of responsiveness as you get from the Cartels.
But you do pay extra for that. The Cartels are still really good bindings so whilst you get more out of the Genesis (in my opinion) you have to decide if that little bit is worth the extra money.
Thank you again!
You’re very welcome
Hi Nate,
I’m looking to buy at off season sale a good bindings for NS Proto Type 2. I was nearly decided on K2 Lien AT but found out that I’m just in the middle of their M and L size. M is till 8 US (26 cm) and L from 8 US and my boots are 8 but I could probably also ride in 8,5. I’m afraid that L will be two big having in mind that K2 boot have no reduced footprint and I have currently 8 size Salomons which are small from the outside.
I started to looking for something else. I like Cartels, but the same story, I’m in the middle of S and M.
I’m thinking about Flux DS but I’m a little bit afraid about very weak shock absorption, you mentioned it in your review, guys from TheGoodRide are also complaining. I will be 90% riding groomers, no big jumps at all. Do you think that this shock absorption will be an issue for me?
I also found Nitro Phantom interesting. Did you have a chance to try them?
I would appreciate any guidance.
Thanks, Jose
Hi Jose
I think you would be OK in M for the K2 Lien AT, if you’re worried about the L being too long. I guess if you end up changing to 8.5 then you will be worried about them being too small. But if you stick with 8s the M would be fine. I can see your dilemma there though.
If you go Cartel’s go medium. Just because Burton do take their reduced footprint boots into account when sizing their bindings. Salomon boots aren’t likely to have as good a reduced footprint as Burton boots unless you have a pair of the old F3.0 or F4.0’s. But even if you do, since you will fit in either S or M and could potentially go up to 8.5s in the future, the Ms will be the safer bet.
I don’t think the shock absorption would be an issue if you’re not in the park or doing a lot of jumps. I ride the DSs a lot (I own a pair) and it’s only during a long park session that I notice that shock absorption. Maybe at the end of a long day too, it would be nice to have a bit more cushioning underfoot, but generally it’s not a huge issue. They do give you great board feel.
Unfortunately I haven’t had a chance to try the Nitro Phantom.
Hope this helps
Thanks a lot!
Hey Nate,
Me again, lol.
Not sure if my question got through, I seem to be having some issues with my internet lately.
If it did come through, I apologise for double posting.
I recently got reply from one of the guys on the Lib Tech site and they said that the T.Rice 155 would be a good match with my height, weight and boot size. Now, the thing is, until recently, I always thought I had a boot 9, never really checked when I rented material because they measured my foot and the boots were pretty much always spot on. But when I compare it with the charts and my actual shoe size, I actually would have a 9.5. I checked on a few foot/boot sizing forums as well as the one on this site and landed on a site with live chat and that guy said I could ride either 153 as you suggested or 155 as I initially thought.
Now, the thing is, even though money isn’t really an issue, I do like a discount when I can get my hands on one. And as I fail to find a T.Rice at 153 anywhere that could ship it to my address I got tempted by a size 155 at €480 (Roughly $508). Now, since both Mervin at Lib Tech and the live chat guy say I could ride a 155 with no issues, I thought I’d ask for your opinion again as you really seem to know your stuff, especially since you’re not talking from a retail owner perspective.
What do you think? Should I wait for the new season and hope I can get my hands on the 153. Or can I buy the 155 and head to the fun park indoors this summer?
Regards, once again,
Leroy
Hey Leroy
I still think the 153cm is the better size for you but that’s not to say that the 155cm is the wrong size for you. It’s doable but I think the 153cm would be just that little bit better.
This is largely based on the fact that I would have preferred the 155cm (with size 10s, 6″0 and 185lbs (83kg) – so if I was you with your specs I would go for the 153cm, if I had the choice. Also, even with 9.5s, I think the width on the 153cm would be a better fit.
The discount and the fact that you’d get use out of it over the summer is certainly tempting though, I understand that for sure.
Hey Nate,
Thanks again for the info. Your reply was what I was waiting for in order to make my decision.
Sorry for the double post though, it looked like my post didn’t get through.
That being said, the discount is tempting for sure but I’ll take up on your word and wait for the 153 to become available in Belgian stores. You don’t happen to know when the new season hits the stores?
Peace!
Hey
You’re very welcome. Usually new season gear starts coming out somewhere between late August and late September. I can’t recall when Lib Tech gear typically starts hitting the stores.
Hi Leroy
Lib Tech gear is now out in the US. Not sure about in Belgium. A lot of brands are releasing their 2018 gear now.
Hey Nate,
I’m just a few steps away from buying Lib Tech’s TRAVIS RICE PRO.
I ride groomers and like to push it a little but I also like to fool around whenever I feel like it and don’t shy away from taking jumps when I see fit. Hence the choice of board.
However I was wondering what kind of binding would be fitting most for my style of riding.
I’ve never owned any snowboard gear and have rented every year so far but I need something that fits my style more than the rental stuff.
Regards,
Leroy
A little more on the subject, what about Bent Metal’s Transfer? Do you have any experience regarding these bindings? They seem to match my board quite well but I’m not as experienced in this field as you are.
Regards,
Leroy
Hi Leroy
I actually Rode the T.Rice Pro with the Bent Metal Transfer. I felt that they were a good match. I think the Bent Metal Solution could also work – but a bit pricier too.
You can check out my review of the Bent Metal Transfer if you want to get more details of what I though of them (see link belwo)
>>Bent Metal Transfer Bindings Review
Hi Leroy
Thanks for your message. I think that something from this list would work or you could look at the following list if you wanted something a bit stiffer/more responsive.
>>My Top All Mountain-Freeride bindings
From what you describe it also sounds like you would want something with good board feel/butterability and good shock absorption. So look out for those scores and make sure they rate well in those areas too.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
Thanks for the swift reply!
I think I’ll go with the Burton Genesis Re:Flex.
Another question I’d like to ask but that you perhaps might not be able to answer is the following:
I’m looking to get the T.Rice board in size 155 and have boot size 9. I’ve been looking around as to how wide the waist could be of a board to calculate a rough estimate of where the bindings will come in order to see if I’d have under-/overhang.
Seeing you’ve ridden this board, do you have any ideas on this? I’m 170cm (5’7″) and weigh 70kg (154 lbs). So I thought a 155 would be a good size but when I looked at the board specs and saw the waist width it seemed as if that would be a tad too wide for me when I compared it with the chart in of the articles here on the site.
My apologies for the many questions but I haven’t had much response on the Lib Tech site regarding this matter and you seem to know your stuff.
Regards,
Leroy
Hi Leroy
You’re very welcome. Great choice on the bindings.
In terms of the board, I think the 255mm waist width on the 155cm is bordering on being a bit wide. But I think that the 153cm would actually be a better length for you. I’d normally say 155cm but this board rides bigger than it’s size. I rode the 157cm which would normally be just right for me for this type of board – but I would have definitely preferred the 155cm (I’m 6’0″ and 185lbs). I’ve heard others agree that this board rides bigger than its sizes – so for you I would go 153cm – and then the waist width (253mm) will also be better for your boot size.
Nate, my man
You’re the best. All my questions have been answered and all my concerns have been taken away. I’m glad you said to size down on the board because I might’ve made a purchase not entirely fitting for me if you hadn’t.
Too bad Lib Tech boards are so difficult to come by in Belgium and already completely sold out in the size I need on pretty much every online shop I’ve encountered. I guess I’ll have to wait until fall/winter to make my purchase.
All in all, great response and information.
Kudos to you
You’re very welcome Leroy.
It’s hard to wait, when you know the board you want but be patient – it’s better to wait and get the right setup.
Hey Nate,
It’s me again! I finally got reply from someone at Lib Tech regarding board size and they say 155 would work well with my size, height and boot. I’ve had a hard time finding a 153 still available while I can get my hands on a 155 for €480 ($508).
Do you reckon I take this? Or should I wait for the new season and get my hands on a 153 regardless of what MervinMfg (the moderator) says?
I want to follow up on your advice to be on the safe side but am having second thoughts because of the Lib Tech employee.
Money is not really an issue but I would’ve hoped to get some action down indoor on the fun park. and with a discount this big, I thought I’d ask for your opinion once more.
Hey Nate,
Me again, with yet another update, lol.
Apparently my boot size would be closer to a 9.5.
So maybe that 155 isn’t that bad after all? Help?! Haha.
Peace!
Hey Nate,
What Bindings would you recommend for Yes The Greats 2017 ? Id like to carve, go fast, but also have some playfulness when tired of charging (deffinately want to start learning butters). I was thinking about Contact Pros but Im not sure if they are not too soft for my kind of riding. After reading your reviews I would lean more toward Genesis or Cartels however was also thinking about Union Forces
Im after good comfort / good shock absorption / good turn initiaon / mid-loose feel
Before I used to have Burton P1’s and found them a little bit to stiff, loved the speedzone though.
Any advice ?
Hi Zygo
Because you want that extra carving and speed ability out of your bindings I would go for something on this list. In my opinion something like the Genesis or the Ultra sound like a good match for you. They have good shock absorption, are really comfortable and still provide good response without being overly stiff (mid flex).
I’m not that familiar with the P1s in terms of not having tested them but from my research it seems that they were either medium-stiff or stiff bindings – so everything in this list would be a bit softer feeling. I think anything in this list but I mention the Genesis and Ultra specifically because of the extra shock absorption and butterability.
Hope this helps
Would you have a recommended binding for the NS Proto Type 2 & West boards? Thanks!
Hi Brian
Thanks for your message. I think anything in this list would suit both of those boards. I don’t think there’s anything that would particularly suit – but certainly something with a medium flex is a good match for both of those boards. Perhaps the Proto Type 2 would appreciate more butterability as a more freestyle focused all mountain board – so in that case the Burton Genesis, K2 Lien AT and Union Ultra would step slightly out in front.
Otherwise you can’t go wrong with anything here on those 2 boards, IMO.
Just keep in mind that if you go for Burton Bindings that you will want to get the Re:Flex models and not the EST models.
Hope this answers helps with your decision
hello,my snowboard is lib tech travice rice pro hp 2017, what to choose, burton cartel or burton genesis ?
Hi Rico
I prefer the Genesis on most boards. The Cartel’s are great bindings too and if you want to save a bit of money you certainly can’t go too wrong with them – but if you’ve got the extra cash, then the Genesis are that little bit of a step up, IMO.
I haven’t ridden the Travis Rice Pro – but based on the specs of the board you would likely be doing some freestyle stuff on it right? If so, then the Genesis a little more again. Just because I feel they’ve got just that bit better for butters/presses, tweaking grabs and the likes. But with the same kind of response as the Cartels.
Hope this helps
thanks for the reply, I really appreciate the work that you do here
for carving is beter cartel or genesis ?
You’re welcome Rico.
I would say they’re very similar for carving
boots ride trident is ok for binding cartel end snowboard lib tech travice rice pro ?
Hi Rico
I think you could work the Trident’s with that setup for sure. The Trident’s are probably a bit stiffer than the overall setup. But if you go with anything that’s a bit stiffer in your setup I think I prefer it to be the boots. But they will be a similar match to the board’s flex but just on the slightly stiffer side..
Hey Nate,
I’m a nooby..I”ve been 5 times. I bought a 2016 ride agenda board. Im getting the hang of it but my bindings are 8 year old ride bindings. I only hit groomers, no park or trick stuff. What do you think would be a good binding for me. 6 ft tall 185lbs. Thanks
Hi Jeff
If I was you I would be looking at beginner bindings. Something that will be forgiving and help you progress. The bindings in this list would be ok as beginner bindings but not ideal. I would check out the link below to get some options. If you want more options let me know and I can give you some other options.
~ My Top 5 Beginner Snowboard Bindings
In terms of sizing, it really goes off your boot size. Different brands have different sizing. Check out the next link for binding sizing for different brands.
>>Snowboard Binding Sizing
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for getting back to me and for the info. I saw the beginner bindings review. I noticed that most are for Freestyle riding which is something i don’t do. Is that just how it is because of the type of flex a beginner like myself should have or is there a more “all mountain beginner binding” out there? I wear size 12 K2 ender boots.
Hi Jeff
Yeah a lot of bindings that are good for beginners are often good for freestyle – for the exact reason that you mentioned, they are a more forgiving flex. As a beginner it’s just a bit easier to ride something with that kind of a flex. You could go up to a medium flex and it wouldn’t be like trying to handle a tank, like it would be with stiff bindings. But it’s going to be a little bit more difficult than medium-soft flexing bindings.
Hey Nate – I just bought a Bataleon The One E.S. for all mountain riding. Any thoughts on the Genesis vs Cartel?
Thanks!
Hi Max
If you’re willing to spend a bit more, then I’d say the Genesis over the Cartel. I find that it’s slightly softer flexing (but not by much) than the Genesis but gives you the same kind of response. Depending on what you like to do will depend on how much difference you notice between the 2. If you’re not really into buttering/tricks, then you won’t notice as much difference – but if you do like to do a bit of that, then the Cartel is still fine but the Genesis is that bit better.
If you’re looking for extra response but still want all the good points of the Genesis, then the Genesis X is also an option – though it is another price jump.
Hope this helps
Cool thanks very much nate.
You’re very welcome Max. Hope you enjoy your new board and bindings!
Hi Nate,
My son races GS/SL/BX (4th year competing) and loves free riding (7th year riding) and the parks. Turning 13 in a few weeks and weighs 92. His feet just grew into a men’s 8 so we are reconfiguring his equipment. Selected a Burton Custom Smalls 145W (Flying V) (he rode the 135 and 125 in previous years with Mission Smalls). The Burton Custom Smalls 145W requires Reflex instead of EST. So we are comparing the 2017 Cartel to the 2017 Genesis (even though I did pick up a pair of new 2016 Genesis EST at the Burton outlet befor realizing the channel length limitations). All three are mediums since I imagine in a year he will be out of the new size 8 Burton 2016 Ruler (camo).
What is your advice regarding the 2017 Cartel versus the 2017 Genesis?
In the future we may be getting a race specific BX board for the alpine events and keep in the Flying V.
Thank you very much for your reviews and reply.
Hi Lionel
Thanks for your message. Good call on going medium in this case.
Between the Genesis 2017 and Cartel 2017, I would go Genesis if you can. The reason I say this is that, to me anyway, the Genesis is just as responsive as the Cartel but a little bit softer flexing at the same time. Whilst it sounds like your son is definitely an expert, he is still developing his strength and at his size it will take more effort to use the Cartels because of the slightly stiffer flex. So, IMO, I think he will get equal response out of the Genesis with less effort.
Also, I feel like the Genesis Re:flex is just that bit easier to butter with than the Cartel EST – which I think he will appreciate in the park.
Hope this helps with your decision.
Are the union forces comparable to the flux DS? I want to switch to the flux from the union force.
Hi Casey
I like the Forces but I like the DS just that little bit more. But they do have their own strengths and weaknesses.
The Force is slightly stiffer than the DS (though not by a huge amount) – both are about as responsive as each other.
The DS feels like it’s got a bit more ankle support, whereas the Force is a little looser around the ankle. This is partly a personal preference thing though.
The Force has better shock absorption in the foot bed but overall I think the DS is slightly more comfortable.
In terms of the Ratchet system, they’re both pretty smooth and I wouldn’t say either one is better.
Overall, I prefer the DS but the Forces are good bindings too.
Hope this helps
Hey man,
I have a gnu hi 5 Canada deck… what bindings would you recommend for this set up?
Thanks
Hi Steve
I’m not that familiar with the GNU hi-five but based on the specs, I’d say anything from this list or from the following list would be suitable:
~ My Top 5 Freestyle Snowboard Bindings
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I want to know you opinion about which bindings should i choose for a GNU SPACE CASE SNOWBOARD 2017. I’m thinking on Burton Cartel or Union (2017), K2 Lien AT 2017, Burton Genesis 2016 (2017 are a little too expensive for me).
80% Groomers , 10% Off-Piste and 10% Park
Thanks.
Hi Horia
I think any of these would work with the Space Case. I think that the Genesis would be the best option (even the 2016 models which are very similar to the 2017 models) for the Space Case out of those, with the Lien AT a close 2nd and Cartels still definitely being a great choice for that board and where you spend your time riding.
In terms of the Union Ultra (which I assume you are talking about – your comment says Union (2017)) they would also be a good fit with the Space Case and potentially the best option for you considering you are 80% groomers, but they are quite pricey – more than the Genesis, so they are probably out of your price range, if the Genesis 2017 are too expensive for you. Or did you have other Union bindings in mind?
Hope this helps with your decision.
Hey Nate,
I have the 2016-17 Yes. Greats board and I was wondering if I should get the Genesis, Genesis X or Malavitas. What do you think? I’d like to have a setup for most of the mountain.
Thanks!
Hi Dave
I think that the Genesis would be the best fit for that board. The Genesis X is probably a bit stiff for the board and the Genesis, in my opinion are better bindings than the Malavitas.
Hi Nate,
I love the site!
I used to ride in Europe and started with race boards (hardboots) and eventually switched to stiff softboots and freestyle boards. Ignored the winter hobby for a long time but this year dusted off my Salomon W5 164 with the SP5 bindings but couldn’t find boots anymore. Went out and got the 2015 Burton driver X in a size 10 which is perfect. I generally would consider myself all-mountain. Mainly running groomers maybe slide into pow on a run here and there but never hit the park or pipe. Stance if fairly narrow at 20.5 but still playing with that as well as the setback. I’m 6′ @ 220lbs. Anyway the bindings don’t seem to fit the boot all that great so I’m looking at the Burton genesis or genesis X.
Would love to get your input on the stance width, setback range you’d suggest along with which binding you’d recommend.
Hi Roger
If you prefer things on the stiffer side – and it sounds like you do – and to better match with the Driver X which are very stiff boots – then I’d say Genesis X over the Genesis, just because they’re a good bit stiffer.
In terms of stance width (and I’m 6’0 too) I like around 560mm (22″) for all-mountain/freeride style riding and 580mm (22.8″) for the park/freestyle riding. Since you aren’t into the freestyle side of things I imagine you wouldn’t like anything wider than 560mm. Since you have quite a narrow stance now, what I’d do is move out to 560mm and see how that feels. If you decide you like the narrower stance better, then compare your 20.5″ with something like 21.5″ if you still like your narrow try 21″. If you prefer the 22″ stance, then try a 21″ compared to the 22″ and see which you like better between those 2. I find it’s easier if you go to each extreme and then work your way in until you find the sweet spot.
In terms of setback, I’d say do the same thing – experiment. Typically, and for me, if you’re not in the powder that much, then a setback of 20mm (3/4″) or less is usually preferred. Over 20mm (3/4″) is better if you are in the powder more.
Hope this gives you something to go off. For bindings also check out my all mountain-freeride bindings and freeride bindings lists at the link below. I think these would be more your style – The Genesis X is in there and I think these would be a great option for you, but just in case you want other options check out the link below.
~ My Top 5 All-Mountain Freeride Bindings
~ My Top 5 Freeride Bindings
Awesome thanks! I came across your site researching the Driver X actually and went through your site top to bottom and even as someone who considers himself an experienced rider, I definitely was surprised how much a little different insight could help.
You’re very welcome.
I’m glad the site helped. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hi Nate
I’d like to get your thoughts on pairing a Jones Mountain Twin with Cartels and Genesis X please. Thanks very much for the reviews above.
Hi Andy
Even though the Genesis X is the better pair of bindings, I would go with the Cartels but only just.
The Genesis X are stiffer (medium-stiff) and I wouldn’t normally necessarily pair them with the Mountain Twin (medium flex), but they are good bindings for matching with different flexing boards so they would work for sure. But the Cartels (medium flex) are probably are a better match and you save some dollars.
G’day Nate
Appreciate you taking the time. Makes sense and you’ve helped a lot. Have a good Christmas mate!
Cheers
Andy
Thanks Andy
Glad I could help!
Hope you have a great Christmas too!
Hey Nate,
3 questions.
1. Wouldn’t the Cartels be (atleast on paper) be more responsive than the Genesis considering they are stiffer?
2. Do you have any idea what’s the difference between the Cartels 2017 and the Cartel Ltd 2017. I love Star Wars but I’m mostly wondering if theirs a performance difference.
3. What would you advice me Cartel 2017 or Genesis 2016.
The prices are pretty much the same for these 2 at my local shop.
60% Groomers , 30% Off-Piste and 10% Park
Hey DJ
Thanks for your message.
1. Typically speaking the stiffer the binding the more responsive – but it’s not always that simple. I found the Cartels had about the same response as the Genesis. I’m not sure if it’s the hammock highback on the Genesis or ankle support or what it is. Some bindings just manage a bit more response than their stiffness suggests (and some less).
2. I haven’t ridden the Cartel Ltd but I think it is supposed to have a bit more performance. Maybe a slightly stiffer highback and overall a bit more response – but like I say I haven’t ridden it and can’t say for sure. But I think it does have some performance advantages – not just star wars!
3. Personally I would go for the Genesis 2016 – but it’s pretty close. If it was between the 2016 Genesis and the 2016 Cartels, then I would be even more in favor of Genesis but they have made some improvements for the 2017 Cartels. But I still think the Genesis 2016. I think both will be very similar with groomers and off piste but the Genesis will be a bit nicer in the park. Again, if you spent more time in the park, then I would lean even more towards the Genesis but since it’s only 10% park, then it’s a close decision.
Long story short, I think both would be great options and you would get great bindings in the Cartels, but I’d still lean slightly towards Genesis even in the one year older model. I can’t comment too much on the Cartel Ltd but I’m making an assumption that would offer a bit more performance than the standard Cartel. \
Hope this answers your questions and helps with your decision.
Thanks Nate!
Well seeing my shop just sold out on that last pair of Genesis, I put in my order for a Cartel LTD. The Star-Wars-Fanboy in me just couldn’t pass up on it. Now let’s hope they perform aswell as a normal Cartel and even better.
Hey DJ
That made the decision easier! Hope you like the Cartel LTDs. Let me know what you think of them once you’ve had a chance to test them out.
Hi Nate, loving the reviews, really helpful!
What would you recommend as a ‘do it all’ binding for the Burton descendant? I was thinking genesis or cartels..especially after reading your reviews 😉
Thanks
Hi Ben
I would go Genesis over Cartels for the Descendant. But that said both would do a great job but I think the Genesis for that board is best.
Other options would be the Union Contact Pro. I think those would go well with that board if you wanted to go more freestyle oriented.
But I think the Genesis would be ideal as a do-it-all binding for that board.
hey Nate,
Thanks for all the good info! Would love your opinion on a set of bindings to match my new 2017 niche aether. I am just starting to explore the freestyle aspect of all mountain. Also my budget is around $200.
I am would love something i can learn in (small jumps, butters etc.) with enough room for me to grow into them. Thanks in advance and keep up the good work. Noobs like me need all the info we can get.
Thanks,
Chet
Hey Chet
You’re very welcome.
I think I answered this in my last comment but let me know if you have any other questions or if the last response didn’t answer your question fully.
I have a new 2017 Arbor element rx. Having trouble deciding a binding to buy and its getting to crunch time for the good part of the season to start. I go all over: bomb groomers, love the woods, boost any natural feature I see, hit a rail here and there, just starting to throw 360s. What are you best suggestions.
Hey Matt
Honestly, I think anything on this list is going to do what you want. These bindings were picked for this list for their ability to do everything and go everywhere. And they’d go well with the Arbor Element (IMO).
Just make sure if you go for either of the Burton’s that you get the Re:Flex model and not the EST model.
If you think you’ll need extra response for the woods and when you’re charging hard, then the Flux DS, Union Ultra or the K2 Lien AT might be your best bet but yeah anything here will definitely serve you well.
Good write up. Found some good info here I didn’t know about. Could you recommend a good quality binding to pair with the 2017 niche aether. Something good for everything and if possible on the lower end of price. Budget is around 200-250. Thanks
Hey Chet
Thanks for your message.
Anything on this list would be suitable – but if you were to buy the latest model of any of these they would all be over 250. If you can find one of them in a 2016 model you should be able to get some of them for under 250.
Some under 250 bindings that almost made this list are as follows:
~ Burton Mission Re:Flex
~ Union Contact
~ Flux RII
If you want to see if you can find 2016 models of some of the others on this list check out the links below to get started.
~ evo outlet store
~ the-house outlet store
Hope this helps with your search.
Thanks for the reply and the links. Is there any advantage or disadvantage between the burton missons and the union contacts? Thanks again
Hi Chet
I’d say that the Missions have a bit more of a firm boot support. Otherwise there’s not much between them. The Mission’s ever so slightly better overall but not much in it. The Contacts are cheaper though. Both companies are pretty consistent across their line of bindings, even their more low cost ones.
Hi Nate,
What would you pair with the GNU ECO EC2 Impossible? I just bought this board with the Union Ultras but haven’t ridden them yet. I’m reading reviews on them and though they are a great binding Im thinking I might not have chosen the right binding for this board.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Jason
Hey Jason
I would pair the GNU Eco Impossible with anything on this list really, including the Ultras. Unless you’re a beginner. If you’re a beginner they might be a bit difficult to ride. Otherwise, I think they’re a good match. I rode them with the Capita DOA. Now whilst the DOA is a more aggressive board than the Eco Impossible, it’s still somewhat freestyle oriented.
From the feel I got from the Ultras I would say they’d go well with the Ultras. You won’t know for sure until you get them on the hill and ride them for yourself – but I think they will be an awesome combo – 2 very nice pieces of equipment independently, IMO – and they should get along well to make a good pair.
Hi Nate,
I’m looking for bindings to pair with the 16/17 Arbor Westmark board (rocker version). Your review really helped me narrow down options to K2 Lien AT, Burton Genesis and Union Contact Pro. I’ve been doing freeriding for years but would like to learn the park tricks which is why I got the Arbor Westmark to start with as my old board is too stiff for freestyle newbies. I would still expect to be able to ride all over the mountain with this new board though. Any thought on the bindings is greatly appreciated!
Hey Eric
I would go for the Genesis or the Contact Pro for the Westmark.
In my opinion the Contact Pro is about the best freestyle binding going around. But the Genesis is probably the most versatile bindings and would be just as good for freestyle riding as the Contact Pro but will be a little better for the rest of the mountain. Contact Pros are considerably cheaper.
The Lien ATs would also be fine but I think the other two would do the job that little bit better. Then there’s also the Lien FS (which stands for freestyle that are great freestyle bindings.
Hope that helps
That’s really helpful! Thanks Nate!
Hi Nate,
Purchased a Banana Magic HP last Spring and am now looking for new bindings. The board is mostly used for all-mountain (hardpack and occasional pow). Looking at the Burton Malavita, Genesis, and Genesis X. My last Burtons lasted over a decade so price is not an issue. Any thoughts?
Hi Nick
All of those would do the job well but the Genesis X would be your best bet, IMO. If price isn’t an issue then I’d definitely go with the Genesis X. You get all the good things of the Genesis but with more response.
Thanks much!
Hi Nate
I am looking at the slash brainstorm board. Do you rate this board and what bindings would you suggest. Also sizing I am 6ft and about 105kg should I go for the 159w or 160.
Hi Pete
Any of the bindings in this list would be a good match for the Brainstorm.
I definitely rate the Brainstorm! As you can see here. and here.
In terms of size for the Brainstorm I would say the 160 if you have size (US size) 10.5 snowboard boots or below. The 163W would probably be better than the 159W if you have size 11.0 or above.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thank you very much for your insightful review! I noticed that you don’t mention any ride bindings and was wondering if there was a reason for that? I have personally been a fan of Ride bindings for quite some time and was looking and the Rodeo and El Capo for my husband. Do you have any info in these? Thanks so much!
Hi Nadi
I like Ride bindings too. The only reason there aren’t any on this list because the ones that I like aren’t in this category.
The Rodeo’s I consider to be freestyle bindings. Though that’s not to say you can’t use them for other purposes – they are quite versatile – but in choosing a category they were a closer match to freestyle bindings.
You can check out my top 5 freestyle bindings at the link below (the Rodeo’s are in there).
>>Top 5 Men’s Freestyle Snowboard Bindings
The Capo and El Hefe bindings are also nice – with the El Hefe being more of a freeride binding (a good one at that) and the Capo being the closest to fitting on this list but I’ve decided to add a new category this year – All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings. These are bindings part way between all mountain and freeride. So, whereas the bindings on this list roughly fit into a flex rating of 5 or 6 out of 10 (medium) and Freeride bindings tend to have a flex of 9 or 10 out of 10 (stiff), the all-mountain-freeride category will have bindings with a rating of more like 7 or 8 out of 10 (medium-stiff). That’s where the Capo will fit. Not sure whether they’ll make that list until I’ve nutted it out.
In terms of whether to go with the Capo or the Rodeo would depend on how your husband likes to ride. If he likes to ride more freestyle (rails, boxes, jumps, spins, grabs etc) but still likes to ride the groomers as well, then the Rodeo’s would be the best pick.
If he’s more into riding at speed, doesn’t really do much freestyle, then the Capo’s would be the better choice. You can check out my review for the Rodeo’s at the link below. I currently don’t have one for the Capos.
>>Ride Rodeos Full Review
Hope this helps
It does! Thanks so much!!
looking for new bindings for my 2015 Neversummer ripsaw board, more all mountain than freestyle. thinking Burton Cartel or Genesis. What is your thought?
Hey Jeff
For the Ripsaw I’d go with the Cartels. They will match the flex of the Ripsaw better than the Genesis. That’s not to say that you couldn’t use the Genesis – it’s a very versatile bindings and would do a great job. But for what you want and for the board you have the Cartels are a slightly better option in my opinion.
I’m in the very same situation as the OP. Same preference too.
How about the Genesis X for the Ripsaw. Wouldn’t that be a nice fit?
What would you expect to be the difference in handling-wise?
I love to ride aggressive but like to dial it back a bit e.g. at the end of a long day.
I think Burton rates them as the stiffest bindings in their line up and I never tried
a setup like this before. (went from Mission to Cartel)
Hey Timbo
I’d say the Burton X-Base is the stiffest in their line. But those are like over 500 dollars! Genesis X would be the next stiffest though.
I’d say they’d go well with the Ripsaw. You’ll get a big more response out of them compared to the Cartels and Missions and the Genesis without the X. They’ll respond quicker to allow you to go faster from edge to edge. I’d say they’d be a great match to the Ripsaw – if you can afford to pay the extra dollars for them.
They’re definitely for aggressive riding. Won’t be as good as the Genesis or Cartel’s for dialing it back at the end of the day but you should still be able to dial them back somewhat – and in the parts of the day that you want to ride aggressively they’ll be the better tool for the job for sure.
Thanks a lot!
You’re very welcome!
Flow NX2s, because I would rather be snowboarding than screwing around trying to get my boot in and buckling up.
Hi Nate, thanks for the update w/ 16-17 All mountaineer bindings. I am an all mountain rider and am in the market for new bindings. I have fallen in love with the speed entry style binding for their speed and ease. Do you have any recommendations for speed entry style binding? I have been riding on Flow NXT series and though I love the simplicity of this product, it’s been my discovery that the Flow products don’t hold up as well as I wish they would. Any alternative in the market that you’d recommend? Thanks much!
Hey Dave
I used to own speed entry bindings and whilst I did like the speed that you could strap in with (especially when riding with skiers), I just never found they had the same support as traditional strapped bindings. Others do swear by them but I have to confess that this is one part of the industry that I’ve largely ignored recently so I don’t know that much about it. I really liked the strapping in standing up thing – and then I learned to strap in standing up with traditional straps and never looked back.
The Flow Fuse GT was the best that I tried a couple of years back in terms of an all-mountain speed entry binding.
The best alternative to Flow if you want speed entry bindings is GNU. They’re pretty much the only other ones that are still doing speed entry. I haven’t tried GNU bindings but I’ve heard some people say they prefer them over Flow – but others are the other way around.
Sorry I couldn’t be more help on this one. Think I will revisit speed entry bindings once/if they start providing the same performance as their normal entry counterparts.
Thanks for your thoughts & info Nate. Very much appreciated! 🙂 – Dave
You’re very welcome
Nate, Would you consider reviewing GNU? I’d love to get your thoughts on a speed entry. I think the technology between them and K2 are a few steps ahead of Flow. I know it’s not a market you’re exploring but would love to hear your thoughts on it.
Hi Steven
I was actually considering demoing some speed entry bindings (GNU and Flow) this season. I’ve had quite a few requests for it and I haven’t ridden speed entry for a good few years now. So if I can get my hands on some GNU bindings to demo this season I think I will. Not sure when that will be though.
Which binding would you recommend for the Burton Flight Attendant? I won’t be in the park.
Hey Sean
I’d definitely go with bindings that are medium-stiff flex to start with. The Flight Attendant has a medium stiff flex so it’s good to match to the board if you can. If you want to go with Burton EST bindings then the Cartel EST or Malavita EST would be good bets. If you don’t want to go Burton for your bindings for whatever reason, then you could check out my post of the top 5 Freeride bindings. These are stiffer than all mountain bindings.
But personally I would get the Cartel’s for it. When I demoed the 2017 Flight Attendant at the start of the year I demoed it with the Cartels and it was a really nice match.
Just make sure you get the EST Cartel’s so that they fit the channel system on the board. Burton Re:Flex models won’t fit the channel system. Most other brands will come with something that makes them fit the channel system.
Actually Sean, the other option which is probably ideal (if you were going for Burton) might be the Genesis X – this is basically a stiffer version of the Genesis. It’s quite pricey – that’s the only real downside – otherwise ideal. The Cartels and Malavitas still good options too though, especially if you can’t/don’t want to spend as much.
Note: I haven’t demoed the Genesis X – but if it’s like the Genesis only stiffer, then I think it would work really well with the Flight Attendant
Hey man,
Thanks for your post. Would you say there is a noticeable difference between Flow Fuse GT and Cartels in terms of buttering ability?
Would the hybrid version of the Flow Fuse GT solve the boot support problem?
Hey Sean
I haven’t tried the hybrid version of the Fuse GT so I’m not sure but it could possibly improve boot support.
For me the Cartels butter better. Burton bindings do typically have great butterability because of the way they flex with the board. The EST version have even better butterability but if you go with those you’d have to have a Burton board with the Channel system. The Re:Flex version still butters really well though.
Hi,
This is all very helpfull, thanks!
How would you rate the K2 formulas compared to this list/ the K2 Lien AT?
In terms of flex and responsiveness?
Hey Adrain
I would say that the Formulas probably feel slightly stiffer and slightly more responsive. But definitely don’t have the same kind of board feel as the ATs. You don’t get the same sort of binding to board one-ness – if that makes sense. And also they don’t feel quite as comfortable or shock absorbing.
But if your not that worried about butterability or shock absorption then the Formulas are a good option. In my rating system they scored 78.5/100.
Hope this answers your question.
No Union bindings made the cut? That’s very surprising when I see soo many people riding them, every shop and online site carries and sells them, and their pro team has got probably 3 of the top 5 snowboarders in the world. Probably 8 out of 10 too if you count woman? The contact pros, the atlas, the ultras…. All 3 are pretty extrodanary binders. I’d like to see the rest of the list. I’m real curious about the nitro phantoms and machines. I’ve always wanted to try a pair but nobody I’ve seen demos or sells them. Then there’s Rome… The Katanas and 390 Boss binders are pretty bad ass. Or they at least claim to be the best in the bizz. Cool article though. Would love to see your top 15-20. Did you personally ride all these binders? Is so, for how long in each pair? Thanks, Chris
Hi Chris
I definitely rate Union bindings and have some in some of my other lists e.g. top freestyle bindings, freerdide bindings, women’s bindings etc. You can check out some of those below.
In terms of what I consider all-mountain bindings, I did actually have the Union Force in at number 5 but since trying the Flux DS that took it’s place – so the Union Force would come in at number 6 here. I also used to have the Union Factory in the list but they haven’t made 2016 models of those.
I consider the Ultra a freeride binding rather than an all-mountain binding and I haven’t tried the Atlas but hopefully can sometime this season. I’ve heard good things about them and they may be the natural replacement for the Factory. They discontinued the Atlas after 2014 but brought it back for 2016.
I try to ride bindings for at least 1 day, more if I can and on more than 1 board if I can.
Might extend this out to a top 10 but 15-20 is a bit much and will get into some not-so-good bindings. Over my beginner, freestyle, freeride and all-mountain lists there a total of 20 at the moment. If you want to check out some of the other lists you can check them out at the link below.
~ Bindings Top 5’s (scroll through the pages to see all of them)
Thanks for your input,
Nate
I had the Katana this year and I never had this much problem with a pair a binding. They are cool but always lose because the nuts lock doesn’t work and I have difficulty to respect the garanty from Rome. Soooo my advice don’t buy Rome.
Hi Guillaume
Thanks for your input and sharing your experience with the Katanas. Since I only ever get the chance to demo bindings for a day or less typically, I don’t get the opportunity to test durability or other issues like this, so it’s good to get info like this.
Hi I have the Nitro Phantoms and they are pretty solid for 2 seasons but scratch easily and the foot bed looks cool and comfy with the air pads/ similar to nike shoes air pockets. The issue is the footbed or canter moves forward too easily while riding and slides back so your foot is canters above the edge of the board on one run or flush on another. Its poor design in my opinion. Has anyone tried NOW IPO bindings? They look sick and have a cool king pin feature like a skateboard truck.
Union is the truth and I rode the K2 Lien ATs which have a real nice board feel.
How would you compare the flex between Lien AT and Burton Genesis? Is there much of a difference?
Hey.
Not much difference, if any, in flex between the Lien AT and Genesis. Both rated a 6 out of 10 (with 10 being the stiffest you can get). These are of course rough estimations and can differ between brands but I’d say you wouldn’t notice the difference between them – not in terms of flex.
Both a nice medium flex for all mountain riding if you like to do a bit of everything.
Hope this answers your question.
It does answer. Thank you Nate!