Below are what I rate as the Top 5 All-Mountain Freeride snowboard bindings currently on the market. This list has been updated for the 2019-20 season.
As per usual at SnowboardingProfiles.com, each binding will be given a score out of 100.
Comparison Stats
Of 14 different all-mountain-freeride bindings that I rated:
O.k. let’s get into the top 5!
ALL-MOUNTAIN-FREERIDE BINDING #5
Bindings: Union Atlas
- US
- CANADA
Smart rating score: 85.1/100
Flex: Medium-Stiff (6.5/10)
Starting off the list in #5 is the Union Atlas.
The Atlas are just an all-round quality set of bindings - with no real weaknesses - and importantly for this category, have great responsiveness.
But they're also highly adjustable, compatible with pretty much every board out there, out of the box, and are really comfortable and damp. They don't have the same board feel as others on this list, but even that is still not bad.
Check Out the Video Below for More Info
Score Breakdown for the Atlas
RATING | Contribution to Final Score | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 24/30 |
BOARD FEEL | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 4.0 | 12/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.0 | 8/10 |
COMFORT | 4.0 | 8/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 85.1/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN-FREERIDE BINDING #4
Bindings: Salomon Highlander
- US
- CANADA
Smart rating score: 85.1/100
Flex: Medium-Stiff (7/10)
In at #4, we have the Salomon Highlander.
The Highlander is new for 2020 and is an impressive binding that has that knack for hard, deep carves at speed, but is also really manageable at slower speeds.
Whilst there isn't any mini-disc or anything like that, the Highlanders also have really good board feel - part of that might be down to the flexible heel loop.
Whatever it is that makes this binding tick, it's got a great combination of all the factors that I tested for, for an all-round, comfortable, fun, yet responsive binding.
Check Out the Video Below for More Info
Score Breakdown for the Highlander
RATING | Contribution to Final Score | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 24/30 |
BOARD FEEL | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.0 | 8/10 |
COMFORT | 4.0 | 8/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 85.1/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN-FREERIDE BINDING #3
Bindings: Burton Genesis X
- US
- CANADA
Smart rating score: 88.8/100
Flex: Medium-Stiff (7/10)
The Genesis (the version without the X) also made my list of the top all mountain bindings. So it’s no surprise that it’s bigger, bolder older brother makes this list.
With more stiffness and response than the Genesis it finds itself at home in this category. They’re not the most responsive bindings on this list – but they’re still really responsive and couple that nicely some awesome board feel and comfort.
As with most Burton bindings, you can get the Genesis X in both a Re:Flex model and an EST model.
Check Out the Video Below for More Info
Score Breakdown for the Genesis X
RATING | Contribution to Final Score | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 24/30 |
BOARD FEEL | 5.0 | 15/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 4.0 | 12/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.0 | 8/10 |
COMFORT | 4.0 | 8/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 4.5 | 4.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 88.8/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN-FREERIDE BINDING #2
Bindings: Flux XF
- US
- CANADA
Smart rating score: 93.1/100
Flex: Medium-Stiff (7/10)
At #2, we have the Flux XF.
The XF are one of the most value for money bindings out there - coming in well under the average price for this category. Price didn’t come into play here, so the XFs made #2 on their performance alone – the smaller price tag is just a bonus.
The XFs achieve that elusive balance of being super responsive, but without being unforgivingly stiff, and still providing great board feel.
They give up a bit of shock absorption but apart from that they are about the perfect all-mountain-freeride binding.
Score Breakdown for the XF
RATING | Contribution to Final Score | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 5.0 | 30/30 |
BOARD FEEL | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 5.0 | 15/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 2.5 | 5/10 |
COMFORT | 4.0 | 8/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 93.1/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN-FREERIDE BINDING #1
Bindings: Union Falcor
- US
- CANADA
Smart rating score: 94.1/100
Flex: Medium-Stiff (7/10)
And finally in the #1 spot, we have the Union Falcor.
I’m big on board feel and the Falcor has awesome board feel – but even more importantly for this category, the Falcor’s have the best response (equal with the XF) on this list.
So, if you’re looking for bindings that have a reasonable amount of stiffness, are super light, have great response and still have awesome board feel (and score well in all the other important factors too), then these are a great option.
Check Out the Video Below for More Info
Score Breakdown for the Falcor
RATING | Contribution to Final Score | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 5.0 | 30/30 |
BOARD FEEL | 5.0 | 15/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.0 | 8/10 |
COMFORT | 4.5 | 9/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 94.1/100 |
Over To You
Thanks for reading and I hope this has narrowed down some great all-mountain-freeride binding options for you.
If you want to learn more about any of these bindings or want to check out current prices, check out the links at the top of each binding description above.
Hi Nate,
I would like to ask your advice for bindings. I sold my old snowboard rig which was a Burton Custom camber with Cartel binding and Ion boot. Recently I bought a Korua Café Racer Plus board and a Ride Trident boot. Now I can’t decide the bindings. I’m thinking between the Union Falcor and the Burton Genesis X and the Now Drive. I’m on the groomed track at 80% and on sidecountry pow at 20%. I ride higher speeds. I would like good response and like to feel the board, but the comfort is very important too.
Can you advice binding for me?
Thanks in advance
Hi Kristóf
I don’t have any experience with Korua boards, but just looking at the specs of the Café Racer Plus, it looks to be quite stiff and aggressive, so going with a stiffer more responsive binding is a good way to go, so you’ve got a good list there. Out of those 3, I would be leaning towards Falcor, just because it offers a little more response vs the other 2. The Drive are good and responsive but don’t have the same board feel as the Genesis X and Falcor, IMO. I think the Falcor match what you’re describing the best of those 3. You could also check out the following, if you wanted to go even a notch stiffer:
>>Top 5 Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
It’s been a while but I’m seeking some advice again. I’ve ridden the Slash Brainstorm now for a few seasons, and seeing as I only get to take one (maybe two) trip(s) a year, I am hesitant to make any investments in equipment that don’t pay at least good dividends. With that being said, my Brainstorm paired with the Flux DS and the Vans Aura boot does not feel as responsive as I’d like it to be. I am by no means an expert rider, but I have gotten to the point where switching from heel to toe edges just isn’t as snappy as I now want. I noticed this at the end of last season, and it’s holding me back in the sense that I can’t go into trees or make quick countering turns because I have a lack of confidence that the equipment responds quickly enough. Of course, it’s possible that this is a problem with the rider and not the equipment.
With all that, I was looking through your reviews on bindings and wondered if switching to the Falcor would be prudent. I would like more shock absorption (and I know this is where Flux lacks), and I suspect that stiffer bindings would help me get the responsiveness I want. Question is: Are the bindings the first area of focus when trying to get equipment that responds to a more confident rider that wants to change edges more quickly? I love my board, and I’m a big fan of Vans boots because of my skinny ankles, and not thrilled any longer with my bindings.
I would love your input, please.
Thank you,
John
Atlanta, GA
Hi John
Good to hear from you.
Yeah, I think going to the Falcor would definitely add some extra response to your setup. Going too stiff with bindings on a softer board can sometimes make the board feel twitchy, but in the case of the Falcor on the Brainstorm, I don’t think that would be the case. I’ve ridden the Falcor on the Rossi One (6/10 flex) a few times, and the YES Greats (5/10 flex) and they go really well – and do add some response vs riding those same boards with the Flux DS (which I also own) or the Burton Malavita (which are my current testing bindings). And yeah, definitely a step up in shock absorption too.
I wouldn’t necessarily say that it’s always a case of going to bindings. I think it depends on the board – sometimes that would be the first to change. But I think you would get more out of the Falcor on the Brainstorm by changing the binding setup in this case.
Hope this helps
Nate, appreciate your feedback as always. Got the YES Standard last year and absolutely love it, but need to replace the old Burton Malavita bindings with something new. Do you like pairing that board with the Union Falcor? Can you recommend some boots as well?
Best,
Matt
Hi Matt
Awesome that your loving the Standard! Did you go with the 159 in the end?
I haven’t ridden the Falcor on the Standard, only ever the Flux DS (which used to be my testing control bindings) and my Malavitas (which are my current testing bindings). That said, knowing how the Falcor’s ride on my boards, I think they would rip on the Standard. I think they would be a really good combo. I often ride my Falcor’s on my YES Greats and that’s a mean combo, even though the Greats is just slightly softer than the Standard, so I think they would go even better on the Standard.
Hope this helps
I did get the 159. And it is a fantastic ride.
Any boots catching your eye for the 2020 season?
Hi Matt
A sick board, right!
For the most part it’s the usual boots returning that stand out. I haven’t updated my boots top 10s yet (they’re next on the list) but most of what’s there from the 2019 lists will stand.
32 are bringing out a Mullair which is awesome. And Adidas has brought out a Tactical ADV “Lexicon”. I haven’t got my hands on them yet, but it sounds like they’re just like the original Tactical ADV but with a more plush liner – so probably more comfortable. Thought I find the Tactical ADV to be really comfortable anyway, so not sure how much of an improvement there? K2 have the new Holgate (very stiff) but again I haven’t had a chance to get on them yet. Burton have the new Kendo, which looks to be a typical (but typical from Burton is usually pretty good) mid-flex Burton boot, with traditional lacing.
Those are the only really new ones I can think of, off hand. Otherwise it’s pretty much business as usual for the brands that I cover.
Just came across your reviews. Thank you, very detailed and informative (and great responses!). So much so that now I’m not sure what kind of all mountain rider I am or what kind of binding would be best.
I’m assuming freestyle all mountain is more tricks oriented, which I am not.
I’ve been riding over 20 years. I just bought a new NS Ripsaw 153, been riding a 158 Button Elite with Burton Custom bindings for at least 6 years (15-20 days a year). The sales guy didnt think I’d notice the shorter board for how I described my abilities.
As for my riding style and the best bindings: 60-70% of my days are at Mary Jane riding bumps and trees. I do double blacks on deep powder days. Not much air, occasional kickers or drops. Never switch. Don’t really do parks. Having learned to surf before snowboarding I have a surf style and like to make hard carves on groomers and do surf style slashes on banks.
So am I an all mountain freerider and what binding would you recommend for my riding?
Thank you in advance,
-mw
Hi Mike
Thanks for your message.
For the Ripsaw, I think you’re in the right place with this list. They are all a good flex match – and I think they are a match for your described style too. Everything here would work for sure and there’s not much in it. But since you like that surf feel, but like hard carves too – then I’m thinking the Falcor would be your best bet. But really anything you choose from this list is a good bet, IMO.
If I was recommending a board for you, I wouldn’t personally have gone with the Ripsaw. Since you don’t ride switch and like that surf feel, I would have gone with something more directional. It will handle carving and speed well – but not something that is great for powder, in my experience. Size-wise, I couldn’t say, but if you want an opinion on sizing I would be happy to give you my thoughts – I would just need your height, weight and boot size. Dropping 5cms is quite a bit – and based on your style you may not want to go shorter (depending on your specs). It will help in tress – but go against you in terms of carving, speed and powder.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I just recently purchased a Capita Mercury and I’m looking for a good set of boots and bindings to pair with. I typically have an aggressive riding style and tend to seal out side hits and the occasional tree run (East Coast) Understanding that it is a relatively stiff board, I’m looking for a set of bindings that could match the stiffness and responsiveness. I am between the Union Strata and the more aggressive Union Ultra, but I’m open to other options as well! Thanks for all of this excellent information on this site
Hi Nick
Thanks for your message.
I would actually go between the Strata and the Ultra for the Mercury and go with the Falcors – not quite as stiff as the Ultras, but a little stiffer/more responsive than the Strata. That’s what I would match the Mercury with, in terms of Union bindings. They’re a good binding for getting aggressive but you’ll appreciate the extra bit of maneuverability (vs the Ultra) for tighter tree spots and for trickier/slower approaches to side hits. But you’ll get more responsiveness than the Stratas. And they’re a great match for the Mercury flex-wise, IMO. With the Mercury (by my feel) feeling like around a 6.5/10 and the Falcor around 7/10. The Strata more like 6/10 and the Ultra more like 7.5/10 or even 8/10. I know I have them rated 7/10 in this post – but after riding the 2020 model, I’m going to up them to at least 7.5/10, once I update this post for 2020 models. The highback on the Ultra is ultra-stiff (pun intended). The baseplate is softer, and that mellows them out a bit, but that highback is like a 9/10 in terms of stiffness.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hi Nate,
Thanks for continuing to do the great reviews. I’ve been riding a Burton Canyon 168W with a pair of Burton P1s since 2004. This gear has served me well, and I still love riding it. Most of my time is spent on the groomers, with some time spent out in the powder. I get out on the snow for one or two weeks each season.
However, after all this time, the deck of my beloved Canyon is beginning to delaminate, and the base is pretty chewed too, so I’ve decided to invest in a 2018/19 Burton Custom Camber 170w (ahem – I may have put on a little extra weight since buying the Canyon! 😉 ).
I’m wondering what bindings to pair with it, and my research has led me down to a choice of two – either the Genesis, or the Genesis X.
I think I’m at the lower end of “advanced”, and mostly prefer to keep my board largely in contact with the snow – I don’t seek out any jumps, and mostly keep clear of the parks.
I’m wondering which you think would pair best with the new Custom, and how the stiffness might compare to my old P1s?
Cheers,
Adrian
Hi Adrian
Thanks for your message.
I don’t have any personal experience with the Burton P1, but from what I could find out about them, I would say they are probably softer than the Geneis X – maybe closer to the Genesis, but maybe somewhere in between.
Without reference to the P1, I would say the Genesis X would be your best choice for the Custom 170W, and for what you’re describing. Both would work though, but I would be leaning towards the Genesis X, just for that little bit more response and stiffness. And the Genesis X isn’t ultra-stiff – there’s still some forgiveness there (7/10 flex, IMO). I don’t think the Genesis would be a bad choice, but I would personally go Genesis X in this case.
Hope this helps with your decision
That’s great – thanks for taking the time 🙂
You’re very welcome Adrian
Hi Nate,
I am looking for stiffer bindings and came across Now Drive, as well as Union (not sure whether I should go for Union Trilogy/UNION FC 2019/or UNION FALCOR 2019. I am a female and out of those only Trilogy is made specifically for women. While I wear 8.5 boots, I am not sure what would be the right binding size in men’s line. Could you please recommend which bindings to go for and which size for men I should be looking at?
Also, I ride GNU Pickle and Burton Feelgood, which are Flex 5-6. Do you think that stiffer bindgins like Now Drive would be appropriate? Thank you in advance for your advice!
Best regards,
Jane
Hi Jane
Thanks for your message.
Generally speaking I like to match board and binding flex so that they’re close, but certainly don’t need to be exact (and we’re comparing flex across boards and bindings, so it’s not an exact science). But going a little stiffer (like 7/10 flex binding on a 6/10 board) – is fine and it’s a combination I like. Going to too stiff on too soft a board and the bindings can make the board feel a little “twitchy” and going too soft a binding on too stiff a board, can make the board feel heavy and slow. Which is why I like to get close, but so long as you don’t go ultra stiff, you can go a little stiffer than medium on medium flex boards, IMO.
I don’t currently test NOW bindings (though I hope to get on some 2020 models this season) – but based on specs, they look like they’re an 8/10 flex, which is maybe getting a bit stiff for 5-6/10 boards. But then I’ve seen elsewhere people say that they’re not as stiff as they’re rated. Without having ridden them, I couldn’t say for sure.
The Union FC would be too stiff, IMO.
The Falcor might work. In my opinion they’re about a 7/10 flex.
The Union Trilogy would be a good flex match – I’d say they’re about a 6/10 flex – and the Legacy would also be a good match – also around 6/10.
I usually recommend to go for a women’s specific binding, just because they’re designed to better fit women’s feet/calves, etc. But if you’ve ridden men’s bindings without any comfort or performance issues in the past, then all good.
Size-wise, for men’s bindings. A women’s US8.5 is the equivalent of a men’s US7.5. So for Union bindings, that would put you on the cuff between Small and Medium. You could ride either. If you can let me know the size of your Pickle and Feelgood. Just so I can estimate which size would be better for your boards. Either would work for your boots.
For NOW, you’re also on the cuff between small and medium. Boots-wise, going Medium is probably a safer bet. Depending on your boards size, you might need to go with the smalls (though I’m not yet sure how long NOW bindings base plates tend to be, but should hopefully know soon). But again, your boots should be fine for both – so if one or the other is better for your boards, then you’ve got leeway there.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate, I am Brazilian living in Poland and I really like your job, tks for that!!
I am an intermediate-advanced rider all-mountain style (trying to become an instructor next year)
And I am about to change my gear, but I not sure if should change bindings and board or just bindings… What do you think it is really crucial to have both new or the same style or I can perform well just with new bindings?
I have a Seven Summit board for carving (got it second hand) and was thinking to pick up a Union Force Binding, but I have some knee issues and really need some shocking Absorption for that, And I heard different options about that on the Union Force.
Could you help me with this 2 question?
Tks man =)
Hi Kaleb
Thanks for your message.
You don’t necessarily need to change both. If you’re happy with your board, then you could just change the bindings. Unfortunately I don’t know anything about that board – and couldn’t really find any info on it. But if it’s meant for carving, then you’ll want to go with quite stiff and quite responsive bindings. I would go for something stiffer than the Force anyway. The Force have decent shock absorption – but yeah if it’s for carving – and if the board is relatively stiff, then you might want to go stiffer.
If you don’t want to go too stiff, then this list is a a good one to look at – and something like the Falcor or Genesis X, would be great options, if you’re looking for that response but also want good shock absorption. If you wanted to go another notch stiffer, but still with good shock absorption you could also look at the Ride Capo.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I’m riding a 2017 Travis Rice HP (155) board and have an old pair of Ride Orion boots. I spend my time split between carving groomers and charging off piste. I mostly enjoy an aggressive ride, but also like to get surfy.
The Falcor sounds like a good fit, but I’m hoping for something a bit cheaper so am considering the Force instead (I’ve seen you mention them in some other posts). My local shop also mentioned that the Nitro Team as being a decent option. Do you have any recommendation?
I’m on a pair of cheap 15+ year old Salomon bindings so expect I can’t go too wrong one way or another.
Thanks!
Hi Jon
Thanks for your message.
Yeah the Force would work. Personally, I would prefer to go a little stiffer than the Force for the T Rice Pro, but it’s not far off, and a good option for the price. And most bindings stiffer than that will be more expensive. The Falcor is more responsive and provide better board feel (IMO) so I think they’d be a better option, but are $100 more expensive than the Force.
The Strata is another good option. Not as cheap as the Force, but cheaper than the Falcor – and a little better than the Force.
I don’t currently test Nitro bindings, unfortunately, so I can’t say much about them, but based on specs, I think they would be a good match.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
first of all a happy new year!
Thanks so much for your super helpful reviews, always a pleasure reading!
I’m currently thinking of ordering new bindings to replace my very old (!) 2007 CO2’s and basically have taken a closer look at the Genesis X and the Union Falcor.
Depending on conditions I enjoy riding fast and carving down the groomers or go off piste in the powder. I own both a Custom X and a GNU Mullair and would be looking to use the bindings on both of these boards. Boot currently is a Burton Ruler and I’m contemplating which binding would suit the set up better.
As an additional question (have never tried Union bindings), the toe strap on the Falcors is an actual toe strap going around the toes rather than over the top is that right?
Would much appreciate your feedback!
Cheers
Dom
Hi Dom
Thanks for your message.
For what you’re describing and to best suit your boards, I would be leaning towards the Falcor, just because I felt them to be more responsive than the Genesis X and I think you’d appreciate the extra response on those boards. But in saying that, both are great bindings and both would suit both boards and how you describe your riding, so there isn’t a bad decision between the 2, IMO.
Yeah it’s a toe strap. It might also be able to be used over the top. I’m not sure. I always go around the toe. I know some don’t really work over the top that well anymore, but you might be able to with the Union Toe Straps. But certainly good for going around the toe.
Hope this helps
Thanks very much for your comment Nate. There is a good deal on the Flacor just now so I might get them and check them out.
Thanks so much again!
Dom
You’re very welcome Dom. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hi Nate,
I have ordered the Falcors and received them yesterday. When I took them out of the box they overall somehow didn’t make the most sturdy impression on me so I wanted to check back with you what your experience was riding them.
In particular Im a bit worried about the toe strap and think that the rubber “grid” part might break relatively quickly. Also read a couple of reviews now saying that screws came loose etc. I have never ridden or owned a pair of Union bindings so habe zero experience myself. Therefore, any input/experience would be much appreciated!
Cheers
Dom
Hi Dom
I own an ex-demo pair of Falcors and haven’t had any issues with them in terms of sturdiness. I’ve never seen or heard of the rubber webbing breaking on Union bindings, so I don’t think that should be an issue. One of Union’s big things is that they are the lightest bindings out there. So, all that weight saving can make them feel “less” somehow. But from my experience I haven’t had any durability issues with them. I’ve heard of some people who have had issues with some parts but I’ve heard that for every brand and there are sometimes issues with particular pairs for whatever reason.
Union did have problems in previous years with the screws that hold the heel cup, baseplate and ankle strap together coming loose. But they have apparently changed the washers they use for the 2019 models which has supposedly fixed that issue. I haven’t had the issue when testing them before and haven’t had the issue so far with my 2019 Falcors. I’ve ridden them 6 days personally, but they are ex-demo models, so they would have had a lot of riding on them to date.
Hope this gives you more to go off
Hi Nate
I have a Jones Flagship 166. I am 210lbs and ride powder when ever possible. Love the board but am thinking of getting new bindings. I currently have K2 Cinch TC, which I am kinda done with. Boots = Burton Driver X about a few seasons old (still in decent shape but are starting to fray).
After reading your blog and many other sites I have narrowed my choice to Union Falcor or Burton Genesis X but I am open to suggestions. I would appreciate your opinion. I am heading to BC for cat skiing at the end of Feb.
thanks rolf
Hi Rolf
Thanks for your message.
I think the Genesis X and Falcor would certainly both be a better match for the Flagship, IMO, so either one will be an improvement. As you can probably tell the Falcor’s are my favorite binding from this category, so they’re hard to go past. The biggest thing between the Falcor and the Genesis X, IMO, is that the Falcor are a little more responsive. Some other small subtle differences but that would be the main for me. But you can’t make a bad choice between those, IMO.
Hope this helps
Falcor it is then
thanks for the advice
You’re very welcome Rolf. Hope you have an awesome season!
hello nate, I bought a burton flight attendant, what do you recommend union falcor or genesis x?
Hi Rico
Thanks for your message.
Both of those bindings would be a good match for the Flight Attendant, IMO.
It kind of depends on what you value more. I would say that the Falcor is more responsive than the Genesis X, but the Genesis X has a little more shock absorption and a little more ankle support. Also, the ratchet system is a little smoother. But the Falcor’s ratchets are still really smooth, so there’s not much in it there.
In terms of board feel I would say that they’re pretty similar, though if you went Genesis X EST (which would mean you could only use them on Burton boards), then you’d probably get just that little bit more in terms of board feel, though the Re:Flex model and the Falcor both have very good board feel anyway, IMO. And with the EST you would sacrifice in terms of shock absorption.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
thanks for the answer, you always help me make the decision, the best website!
You’re always very welcome Rico
Hi nata.
I live in China, so please forgive some mistakes in my English.
Please recommend a Bindings. I am 70% in groomed. Sometimes there are some simple parks, sometimes freestyle. 30% I like some Powder, like Japan, some trees. So genesis X or malavita is more suitable for me? Or genesis? I am using union force now, which Flex like it, and which one is stiffer?
Hi XIANG
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing, I think the Genesis or Genesis X would be the most suitable. The Union Force is what I would consider a 6/10 in terms of flex, maybe bordering on 5.5/10. The Genesis a 5/10 for flex and the Genesis X a 7/10 for flex. The Malavita also a 5/10 for flex, though bordering more on 5.5/10. It has a stiffer highback but a softer base plate.
In terms of which would be better between the Genesis and Genesis X, can you let me know the board that you have and your ability level.
Hope this helps
hello Nate
finally i bought yes pyl. Now i search binding . I’ve been reading your reports a lot. I still have doubts ?. I can get the two Binding that I like at a good price. Genesis x 2018 ( not autocant) and falcor 2019. I like the Genesis x because I think it’s the most comfortable but I do not know if it will be less response. then I doubt with the falcor ,that has a good responsive but they are not comfortable and I do not know if so permissive. there my doubt ?
what would be your choice?
Thank you
Loren
Hi Loren
I would personally choose the Falcor for the PYL. But the Gensis X would certainly work well. The Falcor is very responsive but they’re not rigidly stiff. They have great board feel too. Also I find the Falcors to be really quite comfortable.
But honestly, you can’t go wrong with either of those bindings and both would power the PYL fine, IMO.
Hi Nate,
Thanks for all the new 2019 updates to your reviews. Really great stuff to start warming up for the new season.
I just ordered a new YES PYL 159 for freeriding and can’t wait to try it out in December.
So with the board ticked off my list, I’m now shopping for the perfect bindings to go with it. I’m looking at your list of the Top-5-all-mountain-freeride-snowboard-bindings with flex 7-8 rather than the stiffer and more aggressive pure freedride bindings because I’m coming from a softer-flex setup (Burton Custom board and Malavita) and skill-wise I’d (humbly) place myself around the low-mid area of Advanced.
But I’m torn between the 3 topmost bindings in your newly updated Top-5-all-mountain-freeride-snowboard-bindings list. I read great things about all 3 but also a few things that concern me. My thoughts:
1. Genesis X: Would be my first pick. They seem to match what I want in terms of responsiveness, comfort, and forgiveness. But then there is this thing about the ReFlx disc not allowing micro adjustment of stance width. I read somewhere that this means steps for 20 mm on each foot which sounds like a lot. I often play around with stance. Is this, in your experience a big problem and is there a way around it like a special burton disk?
2. The Flux XF: They sound great and seem to tick all my boxes – responsive, yet also forgiving, endless adjustability… but then I read that shock absorption is non-existent. I don’t do park and don’t jump a lot so is lack of shock absorption an issue for me? When I finally get to the mountain, I ride 7-8 hours in a day … will my feet start hurting after lunch without absorption padding in the binding?
3. Regarding the Union Falcor – I read that the minidisk is great and allows micro-stance-width adjustment (unlike the ReFlex disk). But I also read that with the Falcor I cannot easily (or not at all) rotate the highback in order to line it up to be parallel with the heel edge of the board. I do this all the time with the Malavita as I heard it’s important for optimal heel-side pressure. How difficult is it to rotate the highback and is this even as important as I think it is?
I guess I’m looking for is a binding that will:
– Be right for the kind of snowboarding I’m focusing on (freeride, carving, powder) and can drive the Yes PYL (fast and responsive board)
– Have good board feel – so I feel what’s going on under my feet.
– Be responsive but also somewhat forgiving – room to occasionally relax or make a mistake.
– Be adjustable in terms of stance width, high-back rotation, high-back lean
– Comfortable for long days on the mountain – need to make sure my (old) knees and feet can keep at it all day without pain.
Could be I’m looking for a good mix of all 3 bindings above. Maybe I’m asking for too much from one binding model? Any advice on how to prioritize would be appreciated.
Louis M
Hi Louis
Thanks for your message.
I think you’re looking in the right place for what you’re describing and for matching the PYL.
1. I haven’t found a way of solving the Burton Re:Flex stance width options. It’s a bit of a pain because you can’t microadjust. If you’re set on a stance width and you want to just ride the reference stance of the board, it’s not a major issue, but since you like to adjust your stance width, you might find this frustrating.
2. I find that shock absorption is most important for the park for me. But it does certainly play a part in comfort too, especially over longer periods of time. Just like if you were to stand on concrete all day vs carpet, you’d be more comfortable at the end of the day after standing on carpet. If you have boots with plenty of shock absorption, then I don’t think you’d notice it that much but if your boots don’t have that much cushioning, then you might after 7-8 hours.
3. Rotating the highbacks is one that a lot of people debate. Some swear by it, others don’t give it as much importance. Personally, I rotate when it’s available, but to be honest I don’t notice any discernible difference. There’s probably something subtly going on there, but it’s not something that I put a lot of weight on. With Union bindings you can sort of do it, but independently of the heel cup adjustment. You can essentially move one side of the heel cup further forward than the other to effect a rotation. Though this is more of a hack and not something that they’ve been designed for, I don’t think. And I don’t know if this could put pressure on the bindings where there shouldn’t be? I don’t do it personally with Union bindings, and I don’t detect any noticeable difference compared to bindings that have the highback rotated.
I think as a whole, if you’re not too concerned about the highback rotation thing, then I would go Falcor. But the XF also a good option. If you’re worried about the shock absorption, then I’d take a look at your boots to see if they can compensate for that. The Genesis X would work, like you say, but if stance width adjustments are important to you, then that might be a deal breaker.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate,
This does help narrow it down.
In your review you mention a degree of forgiveness in the Flux XF. The Falcor sounds more like a NO-MERCY binding.
How would you compare the Falcor and the Flux XF in terms of forgiveness and room for being off-game late in the day?
Louis M
Hi Louis
I would say the Falcor has that same level of forgiveness as the Flux XF. I wouldn’t say it’s a no-mercy binding at all. It’s still not overly playful (as the XF isn’t either). These are still relatively stiff/responsive bindings, but they do have some forgiveness compared to some other really stiff bindings.
Hello Nate, I bought last year Jones Mountain twin 158 on your recommendation and I’m very happy with it. I’m a driver in progress, I like to drive on fresh groomer with small jumps and butters tricks, but im attracted to more on powder and drive out of the path on backcountry and i want to go in that direction.There is a Mountain twin little stiffer board and a bit slower to turn, so far I’m driving on soft bidings and looking for new and harder bidings. I am in a position to take a very favorable model of the last year so I’m in the bumper to choose, so I turn to you for help as a trusted person who has already helped me. The questions are: K2 LIEN AT
UNION T. RICE
UNION FALCOR
SALOMON DEFENDER
I am interested in your opinion what would you recommend to me and thanks in advance!
Toni
Hi Toni
Thanks for your message.
All of the bindings you’ve listed would work well, in my opinion – they would all be a good flex match for the Mountain Twin.
I would be leaning towards the Falcor, just because those are my favorite pair of bindings in this flex-range. The T Rice was also a good binding (what the Falcor is, loosely, an evolution of) but the Falcor has the mini disc for better board feel and just a little better all-round, IMO.
The Lien AT and Salomon Defender would work as well though but my pick would be Union Falcor.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate
I just bought a Kazu 154.Boots are nitro team tls.I hésitate between union ultras and falcor.I’m not sure which one to go .
Hi Jeremy
Thanks for your message.
I would personally go with the Falcor. Both would be a good match with the Kazu, IMO. But I just liked the Falcor a little more overall. And they’re cheaper too, so that’s a bonus!
Hi Nate,
Just found your site , great to read all the reviews and your Q & A with all the rest of us boarders.
I Just got a 2019 158 jones mind expander, yey.
I will be doing all mountain in Italy. But also doing Japan pow in a couple of months.
My debate is bindings. I wear Adidas Accera boots and have tried the Union contact pro which iI found not responsive enough so was thinking of the Union strata which I was able to demo in a snow dome in the UK which were better, but was also thinking of the Union Ultra or do you think this would be too much for the mind expander. I was also guided the Jones Mercury were not a good combo with my boots. Keep up the good work, Nic
Hi Nic
Thanks for your message.
Yeah the Contact Pro wouldn’t have enough for the Mind Expander and Acerra combo.
The Strata would work with that setup. As would the Ultra but just note that the Ultra has a rather stiff highback but a softer baseplate. So the overall flex is around a 7/10 but the highback feels stiffer than that.
But I actually think the Falcor might be the best option in this case. I think all 3 would work with that setup but I think the Falcor would be best, then Strata, then Ultra.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the great review! Have you ever tried UNION STRATA? I’m looking for the bindings for 150cm Neversummer Maverix snowboard. I’ve almost ordered UNION Falcor, but now I’m confused.
I mostly ride groomers, but this year I want to try freeride and carving.
Thanks,
Tasha
Hi Tasha
Thanks for your message.
Yes, I’ve ridden the Strata. Also a very nice binding slightly softer flexing than the Falcor but has a lot of the good performance of the Falcor’s. You can check out my review on the Strata here.
I categorize the Strata as “all-mountain” as opposed to “all-mountain-freeride” which is why they’re not on this list but they are great options too.
I haven’t ridden the Maverix before, but based on the specs, I think the Strata would be a good match with it. The Falcor would also work. The Falcor gives a bit more response than the Strata but the Strata still quite responsive. The Strata probably a closer flex-match to the Maverix (based on Never Summer’s flex rating for that board) but I think either could work. The Strata is cheaper, so that could be a factor too.
Hope this helps with your decision
Heya Nate…
So ive got a 162cm Endeavour Archetype board for pow days and a Neversummer proto type two board 157cm for all mountain…
Considering Burton Reflex Cartels leather edition…or Union Atlas ….Union Force or Genesis x….want something responsive for moving the wide width of the archetype … im an intermediate rider whos been riding burton cartels …. Rome Katanas …and on freestyle board union contacts….so what bindings will match up well with the Proto type 2 ?
Hi Steve
Thanks for your message.
On the Endeavor Archetype, being stiffer and wider, I would probably go for the Union Atlas out of those. More responsive than the Cartels and a little more responsive than the Force but also Union have a longer baseplate than Burton bindings, so that extra length will work better, leverage-wise on the wider Endeavor. The Atlas over the Force, mainly because they’re a little stiffer, which would better suit the stiffer Archetype. Or better yet the Union Falcor, IMO.
For the Proto Type Two, it’s a softer board, but if you’re going to be doing more freestyle type stuff on it, then something with good board feel would be great. In that case, the Cartel and Genesis X come into play. The Genesis X perhaps is a little too stiff for it, but would still work, IMO, and would certainly be more responsive than the Cartel’s, but the Cartels would be a better match Flex-wise.
But if you’re looking for something to go with both the Archetype and the Proto Type Two, I would consider the Falcors. They will likely be very responsive on the Proto Type Two but also have great board feel – and they will be responsive and have that leverage of a longer base plate for he wider/stiffer Archetype.
Genesis X would also work as a binding for both board, but my pick would be Falcor.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Great stuff. I just bought a T. Rice 161.5. I’m 6’2″ 185 with 11.5 boot. Advanced rider who likes to cruise around at high speeds, occasionally hit some jumps, but don’t spend much time in the park. Thinking Burton genesis or X version or Union ultra or falcor. Open to any thoughts/suggestions.
Thanks,
Sloane
Hi Sloane
Thanks for your message.
If going Burton I would go for Genesis X for the T.Rice. I think the Genesis wouldn’t be stiff/responsive enough for the T.Rice. The Genesis X would be a better bet, IMO.
If going Union, either the Ultra or the Falcor would work, but I would be leaning towards the Falcor for the T.Rice Pro.
Hope this helps
I’m also considering the now drive bindings. They have a preset highback angle(10 degrees). I’ve heard good things about them. But I ride with both feet in a positive angle. Will I have issues with not being able to rotate the highback?
Hi Phil
Personally, I don’t worry too much about high back rotation. It’s nice to do if it’s available, but not all bindings have high-back rotation. I don’t see it as too big a deal.
i have a size 10 burton imperial boot from a few years ago. what size binding should i go with. ill be buying the genesis x soon after a lot of research, mostly from your site as well as some forums? is it better to have a tighter fit with a smaller binding ? will my boot be pushing the limit squeezing into a size medium? i think my current malavitas are a size large but i dont know how i can tell. i cant find any markings on it with size. thanks
Hi Phil
Thanks for your message.
I wear size 10s and I prefer Burton bindings in medium. They are snug for sure, but I like that snug feel. You shouldn’t have any problems fitting into the Medium, but some prefer the extra space of the large. I’d personally go medium.
Now that I look at my own Malavita’s I can’t see any markings either. But I can tell you that the base plate is 22cm (8.66″) long when the toe ramp is all the way in. If the length of your base plate is longer than that they’re likely to be large – if it’s the same, then they’ll be mediums.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Really enjoy your reviews and everything.
By looking at reviews and other researches, I have narrowed down two binding to choose from Genesis X or Genesis. I understand that the difference is the stiffness in them, and that will really depend on personal skills and preference. I think I am a intermediate level snowboarder and do all mountain riding for most the time.
Right now I am riding a Burton custom Blend form 2016, and NOW IPO, and I am not very happy with the set up. So I am thinking about upgrading to Burton Genesis or the Genesis X but I am not sure which one should I go for? In the future, I am thinking toward a stiffer board with more or free riding style. Will the X be too responsive that I wouldn’t be able to handle?
Hi Robert
I would normally say that the Genesis would be the best match for that board. But since you are looking to go for a stiffer board in the future, then the Genesis X would be a better match there, if you didn’t also want to upgrade your bindings. Genesis would also be better as an intermediate level binding. But if you are going to be moving to a stiffer board, then going Genesis X would mean that you wouldn’t also have to upgrade your bindings. Probably ideally you’d go Genesis now and then get a stiffer binding once you went for a stiffer board. But totally get it that you probably don’t want to have to buy two sets of bindings in a short time.
And the plus is that the Genesis X do have good board feel – they flex well with the board. I find that bindings that flex with the board well are more versatile when it comes to flex matching – by that I mean that they can span a wider range of flex levels. So the Genesis X can go on something softer flexing and kind of adapt to the flex of the board. Only to some extent – like you wouldn’t want to put them on something that was super-soft flexing – but since the Custom is mid-flexing and not that soft, the Genesis X will work on it, without totally overpowering it.
Hope that makes sense and helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
I have a current dilemma choosing which bindings to go with. I’ve bought a Jones Ultra Mountain Twin and love to mainly spend my time off piste in the trees and powder. I really wanted to get the Genesis X bindings but the 2017’s have all sold out in my size and the 2018 is way too expensive right now. However both the 2017 Genesis and the Burton X Base bindings are on sale for $360 and $400 AUD respectively (the 2018 Genesis X is $550). My questions is will the X Base be possibly too stiff for my set up or will the Genesis be too soft? I’m not sure which one to go for, please help!
P.S. I’m planning on paring these with either the Burton Ions or Photons boots too.
Thanks Legend
Hi Alex
Thanks for your message.
I think the Genesis X would probably be the ideal setup there in terms of Burton bindings – but definitely understand that they aren’t cheap if you can’t get last season’s model. But I haven’t tested the Ultra Mountain Twin yet (it keeps alluding my grasp!) – so I couldn’t say for sure. If it was the regular Mountain Twin, then I would say that the Genesis would be the best match over the X Base. I have heard that the Ultra Mountain Twin does feel stiffer than the regular MT. In which case then the Genesis may not be responsive enough to be ideal. You could certainly still pair up the Genesis with that board – and the way that the Genesis flexes with the board, it’s really versatile and can work with slightly stiffer boards.
But the X Base would definitely be responsive enough – but maybe getting too stiff, depending on what you like. If you’re an advanced rider and really want to get that extra response, and you’re not going to spend too much time in the park or anything like that, then these could work. I wouldn’t normally pair anything this stiff with a board like the Ultra Mountain Twin – but these bindings also flex well with the board, so they could work and would certainly increase the response of the board.
But if you’re more intermediate level, and like to cruise a bit more on groomers, or spend a bit of time in the park (which it sounds like you don’t?), then the Genesis are probably a better bet. They’ll allow a bit more maneuverability at slower speeds – but won’t be as responsive at higher speeds. They’re also a bit more comfortable and shock absorbing, though the X Base aren’t bad in those areas.
The Genesis X would be ideal, but hopefully this has given you more to off for your decision if you have to choose between these two.
Thanks for the great review!
I really liked you going above and beyond reviewing both the Genesis X EST and Re:Flex. Only problem I have is that in the score breakdown sheet both of them are stated as Genesis X Re:Flex. Could you please distinguish which one is the EST?
Thanks
Hi Lawrence
Ooops. You’re right. I have fixed that now. The second rating table is for the ESTs. Thanks for pointing that out.
Hi Nate!
Awesome list here! Huge fan of your reviews.
I have recently done a bit of upgrading in my gear as I start to hit more advanced riding.
I have made the trek from the yes Basic to the yes Standard, the 32 Chris Bradshaw to the Burton ION 2017 and during the time I was riding over the weekend, I have felt much more comfortable and confident.
Currently, I am considering selling my 2015 Nitro Zero bindings and upgrading to the Genesis X. My goal is for more off piste and more comfort in my rides. One of the gripes I have with my Nitro Zeroes is how if I crank the toe really tight, it starts to pinch my little toes and it gets very uncomfortable very quickly. However, Burton Genesis X is not something I have physically seen in store so I would have to buy them blind and test them out. Do you think the binding purchase would complement and complete my set up? Happy to hear any other suggestions as well.
Cheers mate
Hi Peter
I think that the Genesis X would work well with your current setup.
I haven’t ridden any Nitro bindings so I couldn’t say for sure how they would compare with the Genesis X but just from what I know about the Zeros, I would say that you’re likely to get a more comfortable ride out the Genesis X – certainly a bit more shock absorption I would imagine (just because Burton bindings tend to be market leaders where shock absorption is concerned) and I’ve never had any toe discomfort with Burton toe straps – certainly not with the Genesis X.
Also, I think you’ll likely get an increased board feel – Burton’s Re:Flex tech (and make sure you get the Re:Flex model as ESTs won’t be compatible with the YES Standard) provides really good board feel. In saying that, it looks like the Zeros do have a mini-disc so the board feel there is likely to be pretty good too – but I’d say that the Genesis X would still give you a bit more there.
The cheaper option would be the Genesis (without the X) which would also work with your setup – but you’d sacrifice a bit of response if you went that way.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Love all your hard work and reviews!
I recently purchased a 161W Jones ultra mountain twin. Now I’m trying to decide what boots and bindings to add to it. I generally board in Japan and spend most of my times in the trees in powder. I’ve been thinking about the genesis X for bindings and either the Adidas tactical ADVs or Blauvelt as boot options (I have size 12 feet). I was wondering what you thought of this potential set up? And whether there may be any better alternatives? I’ve also read on a couple of other reviews sites that the Blauvelts tend to break down quite quickly compared to the tactical ADVs this ring true to your experience using them at all? Thanks
Hi Alex
Yeah, that setup sounds great to me! And I think it’s probably a good idea to go with something from Adidas/Burton/Ride for your boots because of their low profile nature. You’d probably be fine on the 260mm waist of the 161W Mountain Twin on any boots, but no harm to be really sure by having low profile boots – and all those brands make quality boots, IMO.
In terms of the breaking down of the Blauvelts vs the ADVs, I can’t really comment on that. Apart from gear that I own myself, I don’t have gear long enough to be able to tell how durable it is or long things take to loose their shape etc.
And can’t go wrong with the Genesis X, IMO. Just make sure you get the Re:Flex model, as the EST model won’t be compatible with the Mountain Twin.
Hi Nate!
I’m living in Russia, so I apologise for any mistakes in my English.
I will count myself as Intermediate-Advanced and I want to add more freeride/powder into my typical riding – groomers and buttering, so I’ve ordered GNU Zoid for this purpose. And I need a bindings =)
I’ve found not good reviews about Ride Capo’s mini disc, Burton Genesis X and Union Ultra FC are too expensive and I can’t find right size near me, so I choose from Union T.Rice and Salomon Defender.
Could you please give me your opinion about these two bindings for my purpose?
Hi Veresk
Thanks for your message. Both would be suitable for the GNU Zoid. I would say that the Union T Rice is slightly better than the Salomon Defender – in my opinion – but the Defender is cheaper, so if you wanted to save money that is the cheaper option.
Hope this helps
Thank you for your answer!
Hi Nate
I would like to seek your opinion on two bindings that I’ve got my eyes on. Before that, just a little about myself. I will count myself as still being new to snowboarding since I only began last december. Based on your snowboarding levels, I am at intermediate level 4, trying to go to level 5. I ride a yes basic and jones mountain twin (purchased recently) with union contact pro bindings. So far, I have only been riding on-piste. Currently, I am looking for a more responsive binding and also hope to try out off-piste and hence the mountain twin purchase. I am looking for one that can last me for a long time, in terms of advancement in level and product life, considering that I have already spent a bomb in just 4 months.
The two bindings I am looking at are the union t.rice and now drive. Having used the contact pros, I would say union makes pretty good bindings. The only gripe that I have about it is that the toe straps are rather small and do not feel as secure. Hence, I tend to tighten them up which would cause the buckle to create a pressure point on my toe. Other than that, the contact pros have been great. As for the now drive, it was recommended by one of the sales guys at my local snowboarding shop. I have not been able to find much reviews of it online.
May I know your opinions on these two bindings (hopefully you had tried the now bindings before – keeping my fingers crossed on this since you don’t seem to review the brand). Also, are there any other bindings that you would recommend?
Thanks!
P.s. I am looking at purchasing the bindings soon because of the end of season sale. And also because I live in London, so I have been told that prices for the upcoming year’s model would increase because of the sterling. However, I would only get to ride mountains again only in december.
Hi Chris
Thanks for your message.
Unfortunately I haven’t tried the NOW Drives. The only NOWs I have tried are the IPOs. It’s not a brand I usually demo. I thought the IPOs were decent bindings – good quality and all round solid – but they didn’t blow me away in terms of response. Or in terms of board feel. The Drives from what I can tell are a bit more responsive than the IPOs though.
Definitely not something you’d regret getting I don’t think. But I think the T.Rice would deliver more.
My only concern with a binding like this is that they might be too stiff for an intermediate rider. The other thing you could consider, if you could find them would be a Union Ultra (non-FC version) or a K2 Lien FS. The other option could be a Union Atlas. It’s a little softer flexing than the T.Rice but more than the others I just mentioned.
I think the T.Rice would be something that would certainly last you in terms of performance but it’s a couple of rungs up in terms of flex from the Contact Pros. You do get some performance jumps in terms of response but they would take a little while to get used to. If you’re ok with that then go T.Rice. Otherwise something like the Atlas or the Ultra or K2 Lien FS, would work well.
I hope this helps with your decision.
Hi Nate
Thanks for your input!
It seems that the T.Rice bindings just went out of stock recently. I will try to look for the other models that you recommend and see whether I can demo them before buying.
I have a couple more questions. Apologies for bombarding you with so many questions.
1) How does baseplate stiffness differ from highback stiffness? Ultimately, how do they affect responsiveness? I checked that the union ultra has a stiffer highback but less stiff baseplate that the atlas. So what does this translate to?
2) Would i get more responsiveness from changing my bindings or boots? I am currently using the Burton Moto. Comfortable boots, but I am having issues with the speed zone lacing. The locking mechanism for the upper zone on my left boots (the small catch thingy that locks the lace in place after pulling and tightening the boots) seems to be spoiled. It no longer works properly and does not lock the upper zone, causing it to come loose, even without any movement. So imagine how loose the boots is while riding. Any boots that you can recommend for my situation stated in the earlier post (either BOA or traditional lacing)? Would you recommend a medium or medium-stiff? I am looking at the burton concord and ride lasso. However, reviews for ride boots seem to state that they are not very durable.
3) On the topic of boots, how important is it for a pair of boots to be low profile. From your posts, it seems that mainly adidas, ride and burton make low profile boots. That narrows down my choices if I were to go the low profile route. Adding on, adidas boots tend to be on the more expensive side, while the mid range burton boots tend to using speed lacing (not preferred by me given my experience) and ride boots don’t seem to be very durable (base on many reviews that i read). That doesn’t leave me with much options. To put things into context, I ride a 155cm yes basic and 157cm jones mountain twin with US10.5 burton boots. And my setup is +18/-18, if that helps. Given this, would I need low profile boots or any boots will do? And back to the qus in point 2, what would you recommend then?
Thanks so much Nate!
Hi Chris
You’re very welcome.
This would be my take on your questions.
1. Really good question. Union is the only company I can think of, offhand, that publishes separate highback and baseplate ratings. That’s not to say that others don’t have them, and I assume they do – but most don’t publish this. They just give an overall rating. In addition to this the Ultras seem to have the largest difference in baseplate and highback flex. To start with, the Ultras, to me, felt like they had a medium flex overall. So this would make me think that the “feel” of stiffness comes largely from the baseplate. But also, I feel like the 9/10 rating on the highback of the ultra is probably overstating it a little bit. It didn’t feel quite that stiff to me. But twisting the highback it does feel stiffer than medium for sure probably 8/10. Just that when you’re actually riding them it feels like medium overall – if this makes sense.
But that’s in terms of feel – in terms of responsiveness I think the highback might have just as much influence. And the reason that I say that is because the Union Contact Pro (which is a quite similar binding to the Ultra) has the same baseplate flex (5/10) but a softer highback (5/10) and I definitely felt like the Ultra is more responsive than the Contact Pro. Also to keep in mind that the Contact Pro, to me feels softer overall than the Ultra – I would rate it a medium soft (4/10) overall. So, given that Union rate both as having a 5/10 baseplate and I felt that the Contact Pros are overall a 4/10 flex and the Ultras more of a 5/10 pushing 6/10 – that the highback does make a difference to the overall flex – and certainly to the overall responsiveness.
What I would say too is that I think that baseplate stiffness probably contributes to board feel too – i.e. I think you probably get a bit more board feel from a softer flex but a little less response. The Ultras with the mini-disc and that really soft footbed and the softer flexing baseplate really make for some amazing board feel – like it feels like there aren’t any deadspots underfoot. The Atlas matches the Ultra in terms of responsiveness, in my opinion but doesn’t have as good a board feel. So if board feel isn’t too important for you, then the Atlas are the better choice (because they are a good bit cheaper). I hope this articulated my thoughts ok and wasn’t too confusing!
2. I want to say bindings make a bigger difference to response – but boots do make a considerable difference so I’m not sure I could choose. I think the response in this case becomes the strength of the weakest link in some ways. If you have really responsive bindings and unresponsive boots you’re going to get more response than if you had unresponsive both and visa versa if you have responsive boots and unresponsive bindings it’s going to give you more response than unresponsive both. But the response of the responsive element will be limited by the unresponsive element. If they are both responsive then you maximize the response of both.So I think you get a total that’s greater than the sum of the parts when you get both that are at the kind of response level that you are aiming for. Again, I hope this makes sense!
I think medium or medium-stiff would be ok for you. I’d normally encourage medium for an intermediate rider over medium-stiff – but it does sound like you are progressing quickly, and you do sound like you have a desire for extra response and longevity in terms of advancement. Just know that snowboard boots don’t last as long as you think, if you are riding 40+ days, then typically I find 2 seasons is a typical lifetime. If you’re riding less days then obviously they last longer.
Check out the links below to see some medium flex and medium-stiff options.
>>My Top All Mountain (medium-stiff) Snowboard Boots
>>My Top Freestyle (medium) Snowboard Boots
There are a good few boa and traditional lacing options in there.
I think the 32 Binary Boa would be a good pick from the second list – still medium flex but you get a little more response out of it than a typical medium flexing boot, IMO.
Also to add to the medium-stiff list you could add the Burton Photon Boa (rated 6th in that list and is a non speed lace Burton option).
In terms of durability, that’s one thing I never comment on. The reason being is that I am never on gear long enough to determine whether or not its durable. So I’ll leave that one up to your judgement.
3. In my opinion low profile boots are only necessary for those that have longer feet but want to fit on regular width boards. Or for those with 10s – 11s kinds of sizes wanting to fit on a shorter board with a narrower width. And of course there’s no disadvantage to having them if you don’t them – but you don’t have to go for them if you don’t need them.
In your case with 10.5s I’d say you’ll be fine on the 157cm Mountain Twin (253mm waist). The 155cm Basic (251mm) would be cutting it a little finer (I know only 2mm but you’ve got to draw the line somewhere!). But, especially given you have +18/-18 angles, I’d say you’d be fine without really low profile boots so I wouldn’t restrict your search to those 3. Normally I’d say if you wanted to go under 252mm with 10.5s that you should go low profile but I think you’d be ok on your basic still without them.
I would say this order for reduced footrpint in terms of the brands that I look at:
Really Good: Adidas, Burton, Ride
Good: Thirty Two, DC
Average: K2, Salomon, Vans, Rome
Hope this answers all your questions – and that you understand my answers!
Hi Nate
Thanks for taking your time to answer so many questions of mine! Really appreciate it!
Right now I am deciding whether to upgrade my bindings or boots first. Can’t do them both at the same time because of the cost.
Looking at your boot recommendation, I really like the burton photon. Not really a fan of the 32 binary because of the lack of traction due to the sole. I like boots with good traction or I’m gonna have problem getting off the chairlift. Lol! Sadly, the burtons seem to be out of stock for my size here in the UK. So I might probably go with getting a new binding first, and also hopefully getting my current boots fixed.
Once again, thank you for you advice!
Hi Chris
You’re very welcome.
I agree with your thinking – if the boots you want aren’t available at the moment, go with the bindings first. I think the Burton Photon Boa would be a good option for you – especially given that you currently have Burton boots which sound like they fit you well and are comfortable. Typically fit across a brand is similar – so you could be confident of a similar fit but in a more responsive boot.