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1. Leo Gonzalez says

   November 27, 2020 at 1:43 pm

   Hi Nate,

   I am 5’9 260 and your chart suggests I ride 164 do you think a 158 would be too short for me? I am little bit concerned with the 164 would be too long for me.

   Thank you in advance for you help!

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   • Nate says

     November 29, 2020 at 2:02 pm

     Hi Leo

     Thanks for your message.

     You could go shorter than the 164, if you feel like that’s too long for you. Personal preference certainly comes into it. And if you’re not an advanced rider that would be another reason to ride a shorter length too. However, I would probably still try to be 160+ for your specs. 158 might be getting a little too short – unless you’re riding predominantly freestyle/park or spending most of your time in the trees. Otherwise, I would try to go at least 160.

     Hope this helps

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2. James says

   November 14, 2020 at 8:36 am

   Great site.

   I’m an intermediate rider, spending most time at tahoe and crystal mountain in washington. i’m looking to buy my first board, lib tech cold brew c2. I’m 5’11, 155lbs, 9.5 foot on measuring tape and i typically wear 10-10.5 sneakers. I should probably get 156 size board and 9.5size boot right?

   Thank you for your help!

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   • Nate says

     November 14, 2020 at 2:20 pm

     Hi James

     Thanks for your message.

     For your specs, I would look at a range from 154 to 156, as an intermediate rider. For the Cold Brew, being on the wider side, I would probably be leaning more to the 153, than the 157 for you. It’s a close call between those sizes, but because of the width, I would be leaning that way, though either could work. For reference, the 157 will be more stable at speed and float better in powder, but won’t be as agile as the 153.

     In terms of boot size, if you have feet measuring 27.5cm, then you might be 9.5 or you could be 10 or even 10.5, depending on the brand. My longest foot is 27.3cm and I fit best in a 10 for most brands but in a 9.5 for some and a 10.5 even for some. It depends on your foot too, but from my experience talking to most people, for most brands, usually 1/2 size larger than the mondo suggests. For more, check out:

     Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands

     Hope this helps

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3. Branden says

   November 10, 2020 at 12:23 pm

   Hello Nate,
   I would love your opinion the right board for me. Im 6’4″ 240lbs and Im currently riding a burton custom flying V in the 158W. Id rate my skill level as tad more than intermediate. Im looking at going the 2020 burton in either a 162W or a 166W flying v custom as Id like to get more speed in trees on powder days. Will I notice the small jump up to the 162W?

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   • Nate says

     November 11, 2020 at 2:23 pm

     Hi Branden

     Thanks for your message.

     Would definitely notice the difference between 158W and 162W. I notice the difference even 2cm in otherwise exactly the same board. However, for your specs, I think the the 166W for your specs, if you’re going to go with another Custom Flying V, is probably the most appropriate size. Of course if you’re riding trees a lot, then sizing down a bit does make sense. The 162W would give you some more speed/stability at speed vs the 158W, but remain more agile than the 166W. The 166W would of course give you more stability at speed/float in powder, but if you’re riding trees a lot, then you might prefer the balance between agility and stability of the 162W.

     Hope this helps with your decision

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     • Branden Gardella says

       November 12, 2020 at 9:55 am

       Fantastic thanks for the advice!

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       • Nate says

         November 12, 2020 at 11:45 am

         You’re very welcome Branden. Happy riding!

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4. Remon Simionas says

   November 1, 2020 at 5:41 am

   Hi Nate

   I’m looking for a Snowboard and I’m having trouble choosing one. I found you on the net and I read your opinions. The more I read the more questions I have … :))
   I am 181cm tall and 80kg. I only snowboarded once, so I’m a beginner. I read your list of what snowboards you recommend for beginners and considering that I would be one of those who know me so well in the all mountain direction. It also matters what it looks like, so I chose the second place Rossignol Circuit from the list. It’s just that the board is only 155 or 160. Which should I take and if I should take it directly with the connections recommended by them, namely BATTLE BK / RED M / L? What would you think?

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   • Nate says

     November 2, 2020 at 11:41 am

     Hi Remon

     Thanks for your message.

     As a beginner I would recommend the 155 over the 160 for your specs. But it also depends on boot size. If you can let me know your boot size, then I can give a more accurate opinion.

     In terms of bindings, I haven’t ridden Rossignol bindings before so I couldn’t say for sure, but on paper, they look like they would be beginner appropriate and would be a good match to the board.

     Hope this helps

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     • Remon Simionas says

       November 3, 2020 at 10:55 am

       Thanks for the answer…

       I forgot to tell….size is EU 44.
       I already ordered the 19/20 model from Rossignol Circuit in 155 but with pay later option…(I am for the moment in EU/Austria and i can return it easily if it’s not ok in size ) There is also a wide version in 156 but on the Internet page a red that till 44EU should be good not to take in wide…the wide in 156 is already bigger than the 160 (your opinion?) At the Bindings I think I will opt for Freestyle from Burton as well as the shoes also from Burton the Moto…but here’s another question with ot without BOA? because it come just with on not two Coliers and on guy in a shop told me it would be better without because just on BOA adjustment ist not good.. :(.
       The Salomon Sight maybe is also good but I don’t like the way it looks at all.

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       • Nate says

         November 4, 2020 at 10:15 am

         Hi Remon

         Thanks for the extra info.

         With an EU44 Burton, I would be looking at the 156W for the Circuit. You probably get away with the width on the 160, as a beginner, but as you progress, as you start to carve on the edges, you could start risking bootdrag on the 155. You’d probably be OK for now, but there is some boot drag risk there, particularly as you progress. EU44 (equivalent of a US11 for Burton – sometimes a 10.5 for other brands) is borderline depending on the board and the boot. And there isn’t really a blanket rule on which size to go wide and which size to go not-wide – as wide boards differ in width, as do regular width boards. It’s best to look at it on a case by case basis, and in this case, I think the 156W is the most appropriate size for you.

         In terms of the 156W being bigger than the 160, I wouldn’t say so, no. The surface area is probably similar, but the effective edge is much less on the 156W than on the 160 – in fact the 156W is the same effective edge as the 155 for the Circuit. So certainly wouldn’t feel as long/big as the 160. A wider board can feel bigger than it is for sure – but that’s usually only the case if the board is too wide for your feet. In your case, assuming that your foot size corresponds correctly to the boot size, then your feet should work well with the 156W width, IMO. But if when you do get your boots, you find you can fit into a smaller size, then you might be OK on the 155.

         In terms of boots, a single Boa boot does lack in adjustability for sure. Sometimes that’s not that big a deal, when you’re a beginner and if the boot fits well without having that adjustment, but that’s not always the case. If you wanted more adjustability then the Speed Lace Moto would be a better option and the Traditional Lace option would give you even more adjustability. Boa is the easiest to lace up, but you’ll get used to the other systems pretty quickly, if you wanted more adjustability (and they’re also cheaper).

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5. Brandon says

   October 30, 2020 at 10:41 pm

   Thanks for the article. I am 6’2, 205 lbs, with a size 12 boot. I would consider myself intermediate moving to advanced rider. Im more of an all-mountain guy, barely any park… mostly groomers, pow, and freeride stuff.

   I am planning on buying the Jones Frontier board in either a 161w or 164w but can’t decide what size would be best for me? The Jones sizing chart seems to put me closer to the 164w but that seems pretty big? Thoughts?

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   • Nate says

     October 31, 2020 at 1:59 pm

     Hi Brandon

     Thanks for your message.

     You should be fine for either width-wise, so it’s just down to length. I would be leaning towards the 164W for you. For a couple of reasons. Firstly, because the Frontier is a board that can be ridden a little longer. As in, it feels a little shorter than it’s size versus the average board. And secondly, because it sounds like you’re mostly riding fast and carving and riding powder, so going a little longer makes sense there too.

     161W wouldn’t be wrong for you though. It’s certainly still doable for your specs and would have some advantages over the 164W. If you had just really progressed into the intermediate phases, then I would have maybe leaned more towards 161W, but since it sounds like you’re a solid intermediate rider, bordering on advanced, then more leaning to 164W.

     But some things to consider, in case I’m reading your riding style a little wrong:

     The 161W will be more maneuverable/easier to manage at slower speeds, better in trees etc. But not as good as the 164W in terms of stability at speed, float in powder or for big carves.

     Hope this helps with your decision

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6. Matt says

   October 29, 2020 at 7:57 am

   Hello,
   I am 29 years old, 5’9″, 170lbs, boot size 10. Ive been riding for 20 years and ride 80% park, 20% all mountain. I currently ride a Rome Artifact Rocker 147 but am looking to size up for a bit more of an all mountain board. Im looking at the Rome Gangplank but cant decide between the 153 and the 156. What would you suggest seeing as i mainly ride park?

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   • Nate says

     October 29, 2020 at 12:44 pm

     Hi Matt

     Thanks for your message.

     Given that you mainly ride park, I would go 153. Note that I haven’t ridden the Gangplank, so I can’t say specifically for that board on experience, but based on the specs of the board, your specs and your riding style, I would go 153 for you. If you were 80% all mountain, 20% park, I’d probably go the other way, but since you spend most of your time in the park, I’d go 153.

     Hope this helps with your decision

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7. Hannah Joseph says

   October 28, 2020 at 9:05 am

   Hi Nate,
   I would like to get my daughter a new snowboard. She is 5’6″ about 115lbs, 15 years old and has been snowboarding since she was five. She enjoys going very fast on groomed runs, and jumps off the side (sorry not sure what the proper name is for that!), plays around in the park with her brothers but isn’t really serious about that. I was thinking of getting her the Burton Feelgood, but not totally decided. The Burton site recommends a 142 based on her weight, height and boot size but all the other size charts say she should go with a 146 so I am confused. She currently rides a super old Morrow 146 (that she loves, although I am not sure why because it is really heavy!). Would you help me decide on size please (also open to ideas on boards though). Thank you.

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   • Nate says

     October 28, 2020 at 10:45 am

     Hi Hannah

     Thanks for your message.

     It’s a tough call between those two sizes for sure, and I can see your dilemma there. I think for right now, that the 142 is probably the better size, for your daughter’s specs. If she’s still got growing to do, then 146 might end up being better in a couple of years, and not far off being suitable right now. I don’t think the 146 would be wrong for her, but I would be leaning towards the 142 for right now, particularly given the stiffness of the Feelgood.

     I think the Feelgood would be a good choice for how you describe your daughter’s riding, assuming she is at an advanced level, which it sounds like she probably is. Just because the Feelgood is the kind of board you want to be advanced to ride it well. But if you wanted to look at some other options, you could also check out the following:

     >>My Top 6 Women’s All-Mountain Snowboards

     >>My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboards

     Hope this helps

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8. Nadir says

   October 22, 2020 at 2:29 pm

   Hey Nate, thanks for this comprehensive article! It’s incredibly helpful to us newbies, as well as seasoned borders I’m sure.

   About sizing, I’m 5’8 and 140lbs (although looking to gain 10lbs over the next year, it’s bulking season). I wear a size 9.5 in K2 Market Boots, and am looking at getting the K2 Standard.

   I’m thinking of getting the 152cm board. I’m assuming that’s the better option than the 155cm. I’ll be using it at resorts. Is this correct?

   Thanks again man.

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   • Nate says

     October 23, 2020 at 1:49 pm

     Hi Nadir

     Thanks for your message.

     Yeah, the 152 would be the better size for you, for sure, IMO. And I think it would be a good size – both in terms of length and width, for your specs and as a beginner. I think something around 149-151 would be a good bet, but given you’ll be putting on 10lbs, I think 152 is spot on.

     Hope this helps

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9. Evan says

   October 20, 2020 at 4:28 pm

   Hi Nate,

   Amazing article and site in general! I’m a beginner who has snowboarded ~6 different trips and generally been on a 159 board. I’ve only on my latest trips been better at getting on my front edge and thinking this size is probably too long? I’m 5’11” and about 165lbs and slim, and a US10.5 boot (Burton Jeremy Jones) and I’m looking at the arbor foundation, what length do you think would be best? I’m a bit nervous about going smaller than what I have in the past but looking to advance better this year!

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   • Nate says

     October 21, 2020 at 11:04 am

     Hi Evan

     Thanks for your message.

     For the fastest progression, I think it would be a good idea to size down a little. Something 155-157 would be a good range to look at for you, IMO. So for the Foundation, the 155 would work well for fast progression, IMO. The 158 is doable though, if you were really worried about going too short. But for the fastest progression, I would say 155.

     Width-wise, you should be fine on either. At around that 251mm waist width for 10.5s, it depends on the board. But Arbor boards typically have a reasonable amount of difference between waist and the width at inserts, so I think you would be fine on the 155 for your boots.

     Hope this helps with your decision

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10. Christian D'Cruz says

    October 19, 2020 at 7:53 am

    Hi there this will be my first year snowboarding. I’m 175 lbs, 6″0 male, size 11.5 boot. Very athletic in general so I’ve been recommended a mild camber to rocker board (believe that’s the hybrid camber equivalent). Any recommendations on size of board both length and width would be appreciated.

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    • Nate says

      October 19, 2020 at 11:10 am

      Hi Christian

      Thanks for your message.

      As a beginner, with your specs, I would typically recommend something around 155, 156, in terms of length, but given that you are athletic, you can go a little longer than that. Anything 156 to 158, or potentially even 159 would be a good length range to look at, IMO.

      In terms of width, you’ll want to go wide. You may not need the extra width to begin with (as you probably won’t be getting that high on the edges to begin with) but as you progress, you could experience boot drag, if you go regular width.

      For more precise sizing, it will depend on the particular board. If you have any specific boards you’re looking at, I’m happy to give you my opinion on sizing.

      If you’re looking for the fastest progression and happy to upgrade your board after not too long, then I would look at something like:

      >>My Top 15 Men’s Snowboards for Beginners

      There are some hybrid camber options in there.

      Or if you want to take a bit of a step up and get something that can stay with you for longer, but might take a little more effort to get started on, you could check out:

      >>Top 10 Intermediate Snowboards

      Again, some good hybrid camber options in there too.

      Hope this helps

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11. Matthew Ulbin says

    October 10, 2020 at 11:22 am

    Hey Nate,
    I’m a 5’10” 180lb 11.5 boot advanced rider. I like mogels glades and steeps .Out west i like bowls and wider shutes.
    I have a 157mw 260mm width lib trs. I am looking into getting a directional camber free ride board that can carv on the east coast and float in powder out west.
    I like the Libtec Brd but the 162w 265mm width seems too long and the 159cm 255mm seems too narrow .
    What would be a better fit a board that’s a little long or one that’s a little narrow?

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    • Nate says

      October 11, 2020 at 2:22 pm

      Hi Matthew

      Thanks for your message.

      I haven’t ridden the Brd, but based on other Lib Tech boards, the difference between waist width and width at inserts isn’t that much, so I would say the 159 is too narrow. I wouldn’t risk it. Totally get that you don’t want to go too wide/long, if you’re riding a lot of moguls and glades, but I think the 159 would be too risky in terms of potential drag issues. If you had to choose between the 159 Brd and 162W Brd, I would say 162W. However it is probably on the big side, when you combine the width and length, based on your specs and how you describe your riding. Some other options that would fit what you’re after, IMO:

      – GNU Mullair 159W
      – Yes Pick Your Line 160W
      – Lib Tech E Jack Knife 159W
      – Jones Flagship 159W
      – GNU Antigravity 159W (if you wanted a cheaper option)

      Hope this helps

      PS: Thought I had already replied to this, but not showing up, so apologies if this is a double up

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12. Riley says

    October 6, 2020 at 6:58 pm

    Hey Nate,

    Wish I had found this two years ago. I’m 5’10 145 and got a lib tech TRS 159 and have loved the board, but didn’t know a shorter board could have suited me better. However, I just ordered a 150 orca 2021 and am super excited for a short wide board.

    I also have a beginner friend who’s board shopping and is maybe 6’2 230lbs and we’ve been looking at a lot of 162W’s. Would you recommend going longer?

    I love the articles and have been flying through them, keep it up!

    Thanks 🙂

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    • Nate says

      October 7, 2020 at 11:01 am

      Hi Riley

      Thanks for your message.

      Yeah, I probably would’ve recommend the 154 for the TRS for you, but sounds like you’re stoked for the Orca. What’s your boot size, out of curiosity?

      I think something around 162 would be a good bet for your friend, if he’s a beginner. Anything 161-163 would be a good range to look at as a beginner. As a more advanced rider, he could move up to like 165, 166, but for now, I wouldn’t go longer than 163. I’m assuming his boot size warrants a wide?

      Hope this helps

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13. J says

    October 5, 2020 at 10:40 pm

    Hi Nate
    Great article. Trying to decide on the 152 or 156 Board size for the 2021 Jones frontier. I’m intermediate/advanced rider that rides mostly all-mountain terrain. Weight 160lbs; height: 5’7; boot 8.5. Can you let me know your thoughts on board size?

    Thanks
    J

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    • Nate says

      October 6, 2020 at 10:44 am

      Hi J

      Thanks for your message.

      That’s a tough one. Given that you’re mostly all-mountain and not really doing any freestyle, assuming I have that right?, I would be inclined to lean towards the 156 for your specs, especially given that the Frontier is a board you can ride on the longer side. But with 8.5 boots, the 152 would be a better width, and not way off in terms of length. If it was a different board and you were more freestyle focused, I would probably be more inclined to say 152, but for this board and your style, I would still go 156. It’s on the wider side for your boots, but I think it would work best overall.

      Ordinarily I would say up to 156 for your specs for an all-mountain length, and with the boot size probably size down a little, but given that the Frontier rides a bit smaller, the 156 is going to feel a little shorter, so I think it works overall. Hopefully that makes sense.

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14. Jacob says

    September 20, 2020 at 11:41 am

    Hi Nate,

    Great article with a lot of insightful information.

    I’m a beginner/intermediate rider on a budget, so my brother just gave me his old but lightly used Burton Tough Cat 158.

    I’m wondering if I can make this work as an all mountain downhill/freestyle board or if I should just bite the bullet and get a new one. I’m between 5’7-5’8 and weigh about 165 lbs.

    Thanks in advance for your help and advice with this.

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    • Nate says

      September 20, 2020 at 2:28 pm

      Hi Jacob

      Thanks for your message.

      I would make the investment in a more suitable board if I was you. I haven’t ridden the Touch Cat, but based on other similar Burton boards and on its specs, looks like it’s going to a. be too stiff/aggressive for that beginner/intermediate level and b. it’s very much a freeride board, not really suitable for doing any freestyle on, particularly if you’re not already an experienced freestyle rider. For the sake of your progression, I would go for something more suitable.

      Also size-wise, I’d say it’s too big. I would be looking at 153-155 for your specs. The combination of size/flex and camber profile it’s a board that ride you more than you ride it.

      You don’t necessarily have to go brand new, certainly not brand new season. Going past season makes sense if you’re on a budget. It means there are less options and harder to find the right option in your size. But if you have a few potentials in mind, you should be able to find something in a 2020 model or even 2019 or 2018 model in the right size. Or you could go used, but still do your research on the appropriate board, before buying used.

      I would check out the following for some good options for you ability level:

      >>Top 10 Intermediate Snowboards

      Or if there are any boards that you find that you think might be suitable and want to run them past me first, I would be happy to give my opinion.

      Hope this helps

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      • Jacob says

        September 21, 2020 at 11:04 am

        Thanks for the advice Nate!

        I found a Burton Custom Flying V from 2020 with a decent price tag…thoughts?

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        • Nate says

          September 21, 2020 at 11:46 am

          Hey Jacob

          I think the Custom Flying V would work. Definitely doable, depending no the size and definitely a better option for you at this point than the Tough Cat, IMO. What size did you find?

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          • Jacob says

            September 22, 2020 at 5:35 am

            Hi Nate,

            I found a 154, which is just above what you recommended.

          • Nate says

            September 22, 2020 at 10:49 am

            Hi Jacob

            The 154 is just right in my opinion (I recommended a range of 153-155 and the 154 is within that range). So yeah, I think that’s a good option.

15. Arty says

    September 16, 2020 at 4:40 am

    Hello Nate,
    Cheers from Ukraine,

    First of all, I want to appreciate the job you are doing by keeping your articles up to date and being active in the comments. That’s really nice.

    I am 182cm 74kg (5’9″ 164 lbs). Skill level lies somewhere between of intermediate to advanced I would say. Usually riding downhill in the resorts area, like the speed, like to jump off of natural bumps/sides etc. I’ve been riding rent boards 155-157 size before. I was fast on learning so I decided to get my own now. Got new Burton Process 2020 (Camber) 159. After a lot of researching decided that it should be good versatile allmtn board for me. Haven’t tried it yet but for some reason have a feeling that I went to far with the length. I am concerned that my weight is closer to the down side of the Burton’s chart for 159.

    What do you think will it still be good for my parameters or should I try to sell it and got a shorter one instead?

    P.S. Amazing article and web site. I wish I had found it earlier.

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    • Nate says

      September 16, 2020 at 10:12 am

      Hi Arty

      Thanks for your message.

      Yeah, IMO, I think the 159 is a little big for you. I would be debating between the 155 and 157 for you. I think the 157 is probably the best bet, given you like to ride fast. But you do also like little jumps, so the 155 is doable.

      The trade off is as follows:

      – 157 subtly better for float in powder and stability at speed
      – 155 subtly easier to butter, better for riding in trees/more maneuverable at slower speeds, and riding freestyle in general

      Depending on what you value more, would be between the 155 and 157. But yeah, if I was you, I would try to get one of those 2 sizes rather than the 159.

      Hope this helps

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16. Anhthu Nguyen says

    September 9, 2020 at 9:33 pm

    Hi Nate!
    I tried snowboarding for the first time last year and loved it! I either borrowed my friends board or rent one, but I never remembered the size of the board. I am looking into buying my own now but I’m stuck on sizing. I’m 5’4 and about 120 pounds. I looked at the provided chart and my standard size is 145, so I took 3-5cm off because i’m a beginner. I’m just not sure whether I should get 140 or 142. Also do the boots and bindings have to be from the same brand as the board? I was looking at all mountain boards as my first one but then I get confused with terms like camber and such. Thank you for taking the time to read this!

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    • Anhthu Nguyen says

      September 9, 2020 at 9:34 pm

      I also don’t know what brands are good. I was in between a K2 and Bataleon.

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      • Nate says

        September 10, 2020 at 10:46 am

        Hi Anhthu

        Thanks for your message.

        Size-wise anything in that range 140-142 would work fine for you. Don’t need to be exactly on one or the other. It will depend on the exact board, but as long as you’re close to that range, you should be fine.

        In terms of brands, there are lots of good brands out there. As a beginner I wouldn’t be so much looking at brands but more looking at a board that is suitable for your current level of progression. Getting the size right is the first step – but there are other things to look out for. You can check out the following for more:

        >>How To Choose The Best Snowboard For A Beginner

        And if you don’t want to have to think about it too much, check out the following, which have been chosen specifically as good beginner boards.

        >>My Top 10 Women’s Beginner Snowboards

        Hope this helps

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17. M says

    September 9, 2020 at 7:08 pm

    Hi there. I’ve been riding since I was 7. Used to hit rails and boxes but as of the past few years I’m strictly mountain. No powder runs where I go in Ontario, but I do plan on taking a trip out west every few years so I want to be able to use my board for that as well.
    I like to go very fast, but still be in control of my board.

    I’m going to buy the Burton Feelgood Flying V and trying to decide between the 146 or 149.

    I’m 5’4” / 135 pounds / size 8.5 women’s boot.

    Thanks for your help!!

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    • Nate says

      September 10, 2020 at 10:39 am

      Hi M

      Thanks for your message.

      Can definitely see your debate in sizing there. Tough call between those 2. Neither would be a wrong choice, but I would be just leaning towards the 149 in this case. The main reason I’m leaning that way is that you like to ride fast and sounds like you aren’t doing any freestyle stuff anymore. The longer size will give you a bit more stability at speed and more float in powder.

      I think the Feelgood Flying V is a good choice mostly. My only hesitation would be the edge hold in hard/icy conditions, given that you’ll mostly be riding in Ontario. If you’re sold on the board, I think it’s going to do the job for you, but that would be the one thing to think about. If you’re wanting to stick to Burton and aren’t riding any freestyle, you could also consider the Family Tree Story board. It’s more directional and a little stiffer – but if those things aren’t an issue for you, I think that would work. But yeah, if you’re sold on the Feelgood Flying V, I don’t want to talk you out of it or anything, just wanted that to make sure you’d considered the edge hold in harder conditions.

      Hope this helps

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18. Chris says

    September 5, 2020 at 7:00 pm

    Hi. I’m trying to decide (splitting hairs) between an Ultrafear 151 and 153. I’m 5’10” and 140 lbs. I ride 100% park, but only ride small/medium features (20ft – 30ft jumps for the most part, never anything over 40ft).

    I like soft, buttery boards, but still want to feel stable on jumps. While my board feel preference leads me toward the 51, I question whether there will be any real noticeable loss of stability on jumps.

    Thoughts? Opinion? Advice? Thanks for your time!

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    • Nate says

      September 6, 2020 at 1:29 pm

      Hi Chris

      Thanks for your message.

      I would be leaning 151 for you specs. Definitely get the debate though, in terms of that stability for jumps. The 153 would certainly give you a little more stability, but it will likely be a subtle difference for you, and you’d gain that little bit of stability at the cost of the board not feeling as buttery or agile. That said, the 153 certainly isn’t going to be hard to butter or un-maneuverable or anything, but my instinct is that the loss there would be greater than the gain in stability going 153, for your specs.

      So yeah, I don’t think either size is wrong for you, but for your specs and riding 100% in the park, I would be leaning towards the 151.

      Hope this helps with your decision

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19. Brandon says

    September 5, 2020 at 12:33 pm

    Hey Nate,

    I went on my first snowboarding trip last year and fell in love, picked it up fairly quick and I’m having a little trouble trying to find the perfect board. Of course I’m working on just perfecting the basics for now, but eventually id like to work my way into all mountain freestyle, small natural jumps, butters, rip groomers, etc. Just a great all around board.

    Ive had my eye on the Gnu Money because I feel it is very versatile/playful, but id like your imput before making my purchase. Im open to recomendations if you have any other board in mind.

    Im 5’9, 175-180 lbs, size 9 shoe. (Not sure on a size either)

    Thanks !

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    • Nate says

      September 5, 2020 at 4:46 pm

      Hi Brandon

      Thanks for your message.

      I would say the Money is a good option for a high-end beginner rider. Not pure beginner, but since you’ve picked it up quickly, then I think that would for you. And particularly given that you’re looking to go for an all mountain freestyle board to get into that sort of style as you progress, and that you want something playful, then definitely suitable, IMO.

      Size-wise, I think the 156 would be the best size for you. In general something around 154-156 would be a good length range to look at for you, IMO.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

20. Will says

    June 14, 2020 at 8:47 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Great read! I’m 6ft 3in, about 81kg and looking at upgrading my board after spending a season in Revelstoke riding a 156w Rossi Circuit. After about halfway through the season I found the Circuit a tad too soft and too unstable at speed due to being mostly rocker, so am looking at getting something with an all-mountain cam-rock profile and mid flex. I mainly ride groomers but really started getting into side-hits and a bit more powder towards the end of the season. I’m looking at either the 159w Salomon Assassin, or the 159w Capita DOA for next season, but am wondering what would be some other boards to consider?

    Cheers!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      June 15, 2020 at 11:24 am

      Hi Will

      Thanks for your message.

      Both are definitely options for what you’re describing – and I think it’s a good step up size-wise at this point too. I’m assuming you need a wide board.

      The Assassin, IMO would be the more appropriate option, mainly because it’s a little better in powder, IMO, and since you mention powder.

      For what you’re describing, you could go either all-mountain-freestyle (which is what I would consider the Assassin to be) or all-mountain. Depending on whether more freestyle stuff, like side-hits, or powder are more of a priority. Check out the following for more all-mountain-freestyle and all-mountain options.

      >>My Top All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards

      >>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Cully says

        August 18, 2020 at 3:07 pm

        Hi Nate, I’m about 5’7-5’8 and still growing, and around 130 lbs. I’ve decided on the Scott Stevens Pro snowboard from CAPiTA, and mostly ride park, but love to rip the whole mountain. I think I’m deciding between a 151 and a 153, what do you think? Thanks!

        Reply

        • Nate says

          August 19, 2020 at 12:48 pm

          Hi Cully

          Thanks for your message.

          I would go 151 for sure. Even that’s on the bigger side for you right now. But given that you’re still growing it might be a good compromise between having something that’s perfect right now (which would be a smaller size, IMO) and having something that will still be good for when you’ve grown a bit more. IMO the 153 would be going too far, in terms of how long it would take to grow into it and how it would ride for you now. I think the 151 will be fine for you right now, even if not ideal, but the 153 probably just going to take too long to grow into, and not going to work that well now, IMO.

          Hope this helps

          Reply

21. Carl says

    March 26, 2020 at 11:58 pm

    First off, awsome article. The information is great and will hopefully help me choose my next board

    I started snowboarding about 4 years ago – I was 73kgs 6 ft 1 and a newbie. (Never been in snow before coming from South africa)
    I purchased a 2017 Burton Ripcord 158W to get into the swing of things and this board has been amazing. Learned the ropes and all the jazz, however i am a fast learner and my riding has progressed quickly to the point where i find myself off piste mostly. My only issue is that im now 82Kgs and on the hunt for soft pow instead of groomed slopes…My trusty Flap top Ripcord feels like a bus without wheels in the softer snow.

    So thanks to this article, it seems i need to be on a free-ride board no shorter than a 162cm wide…due to my ship sized feet.

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    • Nate says

      March 27, 2020 at 3:09 pm

      Hi Carl

      Thanks for your message.

      Yeah certainly sounds like you now need an upgrade from the Ripcord. And a size up would be a good idea too. How much you want to size up will depend. I like to take into account where you’ll be riding, what size you’re used to and ability, as well as specs. I would say 162 is a good starting point – and that’s what the chart is all about, finding a starting point – and you might want to go up or down from there.

      For freeride boards it’s often the case that you go a little longer and part of that reason is that freeride boards tend to have quite a lot of nose, outside the contact points, and that extra nose, which predominantly only comes into play in powder, doesn’t effect the general size feel of the ride on groomers. Another reason is that people who are typically getting freeride boards are looking for a good amount of stability at speed. That’s got to be tempered by the terrain you’re going to be riding though. If you were just gliding over soft fluffy powder in a straight line with no obstacles on the perfect slope without any speed checking, then you could go as long as you wanted of course, but if you’re going to be riding trees, or have other obstacles – areas you’ve got to stop in a hurry for to check out what’s coming next, etc, then of course that’s going to affect your ride. In fact, if you were going to be riding mainly trees of piste, then I would say to size down a little from that 162.

      Also that number is assuming an advanced level. If you identify as advanced, then that’s a good starting point. If you were to identify as more intermediate, then it would be a good idea to take a couple of centimeters off.

      Lastly, given that you’re used to a 158, I wouldn’t jump up too suddenly in terms of size. You still want to feel like you’re fully in control of your board and still want it to be fun (I assume!). Going to a freeride board, even if you go for a softer flexing one, it’s going to be stiffer, and have a more technical camber profile than the Ripcord. So, in other words is going to be a lot more board, even without sizing up.

      So with all that in mind. I’d say you probably want to be looking at at least 159, 160, and up to 162-164, depending on some of those factors. If you could let me know your estimated ability level, the terrain you most often ride (is it mostly open terrain, or more often trees, an even mixture, that kind of thing), and then can make a more precise range of sizes to look at. These things will also help determine the freeride boards you should actually look at. There is quite a range of different options within that category.

      In the terms of the board you go for, check out the following for some options, if you haven’t already.

      >> My Top 10 Freeride Snowboards

      Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision

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22. Cassie says

    March 20, 2020 at 11:40 pm

    Hey Nate,

    I haven’t been able to find any women’s boards that fits my size – I’m 4’11, 86 lbs and have been riding rentals for the past 2 seasons but looking to get my first board. I’m about entry intermediate and have been tossing up between the Never Summer Proto (mini) – 137 and the Burton Yeasayer Smalls – 134 (what all my rentals have been). Which do you think will be the better board? I’m leaning towards the NS Proto because I would prefer a more stable board but I’m not sure if the board would be a bit too long.

    Thanks in advance!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 22, 2020 at 12:46 pm

      Hi Cassie

      Thanks for your message.

      I would say something around 133, 134 would be a good length to go. 137 might feel on the bigger side for your specs. Can you also let me know your boot size. That would help for sizing. The Proto Mini could potentially be on the wider side for your boots too (or potentially the Yeasayer too narrow – but yeah if you could let me know your boot size, that would be great.

      Are you open to other options? If so, can you describe your riding style/preferences. i.e. do you just like to ride the groomers? ride trees? powder? ride freestyle? (or interested in riding freestyle at some point). If you’re open to others I can have a look, but between those, I would be leaning towards the Yeasayer Smalls, mostly because I’d say it’s a better size. \

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Cassie says

        March 22, 2020 at 7:22 pm

        Thanks for your reply Nate, really appreciate the advice. I’m a US 5 for boots (Mondo – 21.5) so don’t think I’ll have to go for a particularly wide board.

        Definitely open to other options! I would say just groomers at this stage, and an all-mountain board would be my preference so I can experiment with all other styles. I was leaning towards the Proto Mini because I wanted something a little bit firmer that would hold out as I progress that isn’t overly aggressive, but would also provide enough stability and be able to handle the speed.

        Reply

        • Nate says

          March 23, 2020 at 2:18 pm

          Hi Cassie

          The Proto Mini is going to be quite wide for your feet/boots, IMO, so going that bit longer and also going to that width, I think that combo overall is going too big to be ideal overall.

          But here are some other options that are a little firmer flexing and more intermediate + level boards that you could look at:

          – GNU Young Money 135 (still the combination of width and length is on the slightly larger side, but a better overall (shorter and narrower) size than the Proto Mini. You could almost go to the 130

          – Jones Prodigy 130 – unfortunately the sizing jumps from 130 to 140, so there isn’t an in between size.

          – Burton Yeasayer Smalls 134 – this is still an option. It’s still not overly soft flexing, but it’s just missing camber in it’s profile, which you might want for that extra stability at speed

          – GNU Gloss 136 – this is a women’s rather than kids board. It’s a couple of centimeters longer than what we were looking at, but I would say it’s doable as it is a quite narrow option and would be the best option width-wise of everything so far.

          – Jones Discovery 132 – this is a slightly more directional option than the others. So not as good for riding switch or learning freestyle tricks on. But it’s still not ultra directional, so if you weren’t thinking that freestyle or riding switch would be in your near future, it’s definitely an option

          Reply

          • Cassie says

            March 26, 2020 at 3:46 am

            Thanks Nate! This is really helpful. I was thinking of pairing either the Proto Mini or Yeasayer with the Union Milan bindings – do you reckon they’d work for any one of these boards?

          • Nate says

            March 26, 2020 at 1:32 pm

            Hi Cassie

            I reckon the Milan (size small) would work well with either of those boards

    • Frank 0020 says

      May 29, 2020 at 3:32 am

      Hi, my daughter is 5 2 105 lbs. Intermediate low directional cruiser. Feet 6.5 men’s size boot. She has a:
      142cm K2 bright light.. min stance width 19 inch. Is this too long brand new board. ??
      140 Burton punch was doing ok on it
      138cm morrow.generation. never tried it boys
      I think the stance width is too long on the K2 . She looked like a beginner on it. Did I buy it too long? She only rides a few days a year?
      Is the stance width too wide?
      I have Burton reflex 3x to 4x adaptors so I can’t slide the bindings narrower than 19 inches. The stance width seems so wide. I am 5 6 and my stance width is 19cm. She is 21, so she may chunk up a bit in about 5 years. 5 -10 one we are skinny lot.
      Thank you

      Reply

      • Nate says

        May 29, 2020 at 10:52 am

        Hi Frank

        Thanks for your message.

        Size-wise, I think it’s a little long for your daughter. For her specs, I would say 140 max, as an advanced rider. I would say more like 136-138 as an intermediate rider, to be ideal. 142 isn’t giant for her, but it is on the big side – and the width is on the wider side for her foot size too. It’s within a good range, but on the wider side of that range – and since it’s also longer than ideal, IMO, then overall it’s on the big side.

        The stance width seems quite wide, for that to be the minimum, on a 142. I would say probably 17″-18″ is good width for your daughters height, but it does come down to personal preference. Some people prefer a wider stance (usually more for freestyle, but some prefer it for anything too) and some prefer a narrower stance. Mostly it comes down to what you feel most comfortable with, but if I had to suggest a stance width to try, I would say to try more like 18″. If 19″ feels too wide for her, then that’s something that will add to the fact the board might be slightly too big for her, IMO.

        Looks like the reference stance on the 142 Bright Lite is supposed to be 19″. Reference stance is usually at the 2nd and 4th holes from the center. Even with Burton ReFlex you should be able to move them to the 1st and 3rd holes. That would give you the narrowest stance and should be around 17.5″ stance then. It might be that she still finds the board too big, but it might be enough to make it more enjoyable to ride?

        Hope this helps

        Reply

23. Murphy says

    March 9, 2020 at 10:00 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Sorry, my previous post left out some details. So I’ll just redo it all!
    To start out, my weight is 132lb, little over 5’7″, street shoe size is 8-8.5.
    Currently have a Never Summer Infinity 154, which I feel may be too long. Picked it up some years ago when I didn’t know much about snowboard specs in relation to skill, weight, height, style, etc. So now I am looking to get at a new board that fits me and my style. I would say I’m Intermediate-advanced. I’m looking for an all mountain board since I like to just hit up everything! Currently eyeballing Yes Standard and Mountain Twin (Either 149 or 151?) and pairing it with Union Atlas bindings (medium?). Just wanted you thoughts on which size you think would be best for me, or if you have other boards to recommend on top of those.

    Thanks!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 10, 2020 at 11:52 am

      Hi Murphy

      Thanks for your message, and the extra details.

      Length-wise, generally speaking, I would be looking in the range 148-151.

      For the 2 boards you’re eyeing up, I would say:

      – Mountain Twin: 151
      – Standard: 149

      You could go 151 for the Standard, but it’s getting quite wide for your boots and going at the higher end of the scale and being wider, I think the 151 is just on the big side. I know you’re used to a 154, but the Infinity is a good bit narrower than both these boards.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Murphy says

        March 10, 2020 at 3:45 pm

        Appreciate the advice. Would medium bindings work for either boards and my shoe? I noticed size 8 shoe is between small and medium bindings.

        Reply

        • Nate says

          March 11, 2020 at 1:42 pm

          Hi Murphy

          For most binding brands medium should be fine for your boots. For Union, Medium should be fine for your boots.

          In terms of for the boards, Medium Atlas should be a good fit for both. And for most bindings medium should fit fine with the boards. I would be careful with some Union’s though. The Strata, for example, has quite a long base plate (and a lot of NOW bindings), so I would be careful going for Medium in some cases, where they might be too long for the width of the board. But for the Medium Atlas, you should be all good, in terms of boots and boards.

          Reply

24. PHIL says

    February 13, 2020 at 1:27 pm

    Hey Mate
    Awesome info, just wandering if you had any insight into my dilemma
    Getting into free riding now & going ahead with a K2 Simple Pleasures, only thing is deciding what length, a 51 or 56?
    Mixed opinions from lots of people in the industry, some are saying defiantly the 51 & others are saying defiantly the 56
    I’m 5’11” 175 lbs with US12, being an advanced intermediate, what are your thoughts
    Cheers Phil

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 14, 2020 at 2:19 pm

      Hi Phil

      Thanks for your message.

      I haven’t ridden the simple pleasures, so I don’t know personally how it feels, but based on specs, it’s something that I wouldn’t be definitively going either way, but I would be (only just) leaning towards the 156 for you. The main reason, is that the 151 isn’t going to be overly wide for your boot size, so you would be sizing down but not going necessarily that narrow. The other reason is that, although K2 says to size down 5-7cm vs what you’re usual length would be – and perhaps your usual length is around a 158-160? – putting the 156 at only 2-4cm less than that – however, given that you have size 12 boots, I don’t think you need to size down quite as much as they recommend.

      The 156 is still sizing down a little for your specs, IMO, and is going to be wide even for 12s, so that size down in length is a good idea – and these types of boards are designed to be ridden shorter. So, I think you’re fine there.

      There are arguments to going 151 though, which is why I don’t think it’s definitive. If you want the ride to feel more surfy, be more maneuverable and be better for riding trees, then the 151 is going to perform better in that case. And you are still certainly within the weight range for the 151. And if you see your normal size at around 158, then it’s right on that 7cm shorter. Now, I think that’s going to the very shortest of sizing down for this board that you’d want to, given your boot size, but it’s not out of range, IMO.

      If you want the board to have more stability at speed and better float in powder, and you see yourself riding more open terrain than trees, then I would be more confident to say 156.

      Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision

      Reply

      • Phil says

        February 15, 2020 at 12:47 am

        Awesome, thanks for that Nate, just needed confirmation, as the board shop I’m buying from, thought I might over flex the 51
        Keep up the great work & hope your season is going well

        Cheers again

        Phil

        Reply

        • Nate says

          February 15, 2020 at 12:57 pm

          You’re very welcome Phil. Happy riding!

          Reply

      • Bike says

        February 17, 2020 at 8:42 pm

        Hey Nate,
        See your helping people out, need your opinion. I am 5’11 weigh 160 and have size 12 boots. I have switched from 151 to 156 then to 148. Now I have a 151 lobster jib board and still no success. Trying to find a board I can be comfortable on in park. I just want to be a park rat and be comfortable when riding. Also when I am hitting kickers I always tend to land almost like doing a wheelie feel like board size has something to do with that, but idk. Never have been comfortable hitting rails and always am changing binding angles. I don’t know wether its me or I am doing something wrong.

        Reply

        • Nate says

          February 19, 2020 at 3:53 pm

          Hi Mike

          Thanks for your message.

          Size-wise, if you’re looking for a board that’s going to be strictly for or predominantly for the park, I would say that something in the range 152-154 would be a good bet.

          But it also sounds like there could be some technique things there to work on. In terms of landing like doing a wheelie, you might have your weight too far shifted on your back foot. I’m not an expert on teaching technique, but try to make sure you pop evenly off both feet, and have your weight evenly distributed and centered on the board. It can sometimes help, if you can, to take videos of your jumps. It’s sometimes easier to see what’s happening with your technique than it is to feel it. And of course, taking a lesson is always worthwhile, IMO. Good instructors can quickly find what you can tweak in your technique and give advice for how to fix it. Same goes with for your jibbing.

          In terms of the board, don’t test Lobster boards currently, so I’m not familiar with it, but given that it’s a jib board, I imagine it would be good for jibs, but that’s just an assumption. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s good for jumps. But in terms of what you’re describing, I think it’s more likely to be a technique thing with the jumps anyway. Hard to know for sure, but based on what you’re describing, that would be my guess. But again, I’m not an expert on teaching technique.

          Hope this helps

          Reply

25. Ana says

    February 9, 2020 at 1:49 pm

    Hi Nate- so glad I have come across your website, thanks for sharing all this great information!

    I am a beginner at 139lbs and 5″ tall. I decided to get my own board and equipment and had been on the look out for a used women’s board. I came across a Women’s Burton Troop 146cm in great condition for a great price and decided to go for it. I had done some research in terms of sizing but had not come across your website yet- now that I have, I am slightly concerned this board might be too long for me. A few weekends ago I rented a board and was given a 135cm Elan board- the guy said anything longer would be too long. To be honest, that was my worst day riding; I felt I had no control over the board and it was super heavy/stiff/uncomfortable. I don’t remember the size of the previous boards I had tried but they were definitely longer, lighter and were all Burton’s.

    What are your thoughts considering my new board and size? I will have the chance to try it this upcoming weekend but wanted to know if there is anything I should watch out for or keep in mind in case I need to buy a new one. My main concern is finding a board/size that will provide stability and help me build my confidence while progressing!

    Thank you so much!!

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    • Nate says

      February 11, 2020 at 11:45 am

      Hi Ana

      Thanks for your message.

      As a beginner, I would say something roughly 141-143 is probably the best range for you to look at, so I think the 146 is a little too long. It would be a good size for you as a more advanced rider though, IMO.

      135cm is definitely too short for you though, IMO. Sounds like the rental guy was going purely off your height, which is a very quick way to do it, but inaccurate. That’s how sizing used to be done, and how it’s often still done in rental places, because it’s much quicker for them to size you that way. Though a shorter board should actually feel less stiff. But if the board was quite stiff to begin with, then even going that small it may have felt too stiff. Smaller boards are typically easier to control/maneuver, which is why going a bit shorter is a good idea when you’re starting out. But going too short and they can become really unstable, so there’s a balance. I think 146 is slightly too long to be ideal for you, but I would sooner see you on a 146 than a 135.

      But size certainly isn’t the only thing to look out for in a beginner board. Flex, which we touched on, is a big factor. Camber profile is the other main thing. Get size, flex and camber profile right and you’ve got most of the pieces for getting a good beginner board that’s easy to progress on. I’m not familiar with the Troop but looking up the specs, it looks like it’s a really good flex for a beginner board, so that’s good. And size I think is manageable at 146, if not ideal. The biggest thing for me with it is that it looks like it’s traditional camber. Some people, particularly beginners can sometimes find that traditional camber can be quite catchy. If you don’t find that and find that it’s fine to ride, then there’s no issues. But that would be my biggest concern.

      >>More about finding a good beginner board

      Hope this helps

      Reply

26. T says

    February 6, 2020 at 9:52 pm

    Hi Nate,

    I’m about 174cm and weigh about 83kg, boot size 9.5US. I just moved out of the beginner zone and now entering the intermediate where I would like to progress in my snowboarding ability. So far, in my riding I really enjoy the all mountain freestyle aspect. Love groomers, off-piste, carving and using the mountains natural feature to do jumps, maneuvers, tricks, side hits etc. Currently I’m looking at the Capita asymulator, and don’t know whether to get the 154cm or 156cm board?. I like this board as it seems like a one board that can do it all. Your thoughts will be much appreciated

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 7, 2020 at 3:40 pm

      Hi T

      Thanks for your message.

      The Asymulator is a really fun board. Apart from not being that great for powder, it’s a very versatile all-mountain-freestyle ride.

      Size-wise, I would go for the 156 for your specs/what you’re describing.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

27. Joris says

    January 7, 2020 at 9:17 am

    Hi Nate,

    I’m currently looking to replace my old board (of 160cm) that I bought used some five years ago. This will be the first time I’m buying a brand new board, which I plan on to use for some time (I’m 21 now).

    I consider myself an intermediate rider who mainly rides groomed. I’m 184cm and weigh about 81kg. Right now I’m looking at the Nidecker Escape, but I can’t decide whether to get the 162W or the 165W..

    As of now I’m mainly going for speed on the slopes. I am thinking of getting a bit more into doing jumps and tricks, but this will not be my main style.

    Which length would you recommend? According to the chart I should go for the shorter size, but I fear that going for the shorter one, I would miss out on stability on high speeds or that getting to high speeds becomes more difficult.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      January 8, 2020 at 1:16 pm

      Hi Joris

      Thanks for your message.

      As an intermediate rider with your specs, I would usually say more like 158-160 in terms of length. However, since speed is your main thing, then going up to 162 isn’t too much of a stretch and will help with stability at speed. But I wouldn’t go as long as 165, with your specs. That’s getting pretty big. Even if you mostly like riding speed, there are times when you can’t charge all the time, right, when the 165W might feel a bit like a tank. I think the 162W is already bigger than what I would typically recommend for you, so I wouldn’t go longer than that, if I was you. In terms of going wide, I assume you know you need a wide board right?

      If you were doing more jumps/tricks at the moment, then I’d say go down to 159W, but since that’s not your focus, I think you’ll get away with the 162W.

      However, if you don’t need a wide board – and I wouldn’t go wide, unless you need to – then the 159 is probably the only option, if you’re set on this board – as it looks like they only do wides longer than 159 in the Escape.

      Hope this helps with your decision

      Reply

      • Joris says

        January 9, 2020 at 3:42 am

        Hi Nate,

        Thanks for you reply!

        Yeah the wide was already a given. I don’t know why, but I had the (misplaced, apparently) feeling the 162 was on the short side for my specs and style. Thank you for clearing this up!

        As for the 159, I agree with you that this would be suitable if I would really start spending my day in the spark, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon. Also, currently I’m riding a 160 board and I have ridden 163 before, both of which I never had to feeling that they were too big.

        In any case, thanks for helping me realise that 165 is just too big

        Reply