Top All Mountain Snowboards 2023-2024

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1. Jeolnn says

   July 11, 2024 at 4:57 pm

   Hey Nate, thanks for the lists that helped me go down from 18 boards to 2 to choose from. Still, I’m not sure since I’ve been either using the team’s boards or renting if I’m out of town. But I know what I want so I wish you’d help me out.
   First of all I’d say I’m between intermediate-advanced, I wear wms 9 boots and my weight changes between 125-135 lbs. My main requirements from the board would be to shred trees and jumps as good as possible on powder but also have a decent carve for groomer days. Since there’re almost no parks in my country I’m not looking for something that jibs all that well etc and also I’d like the board to be not too heavy since I’d be having my backpack too.
   The boards I’ve been using were between 146-152 cms so far and I’m thinking of going simillar lengts in either Jones Mind Expander or Bataleon Thunderstorm. Which would you choose or I’d really appreciate If you have any other recommendations.

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   • Nate says

     July 13, 2024 at 9:30 am

     Hi Joelnn, thanks for your message.

     One of those two boards would work well for what you’re describing, IMO. I’d be leaning Thunderstorm if you were wanting to ride switch a bit, otherwise both should suit your riding well. That said, I do prefer the Thunderstorm for jumps. Some other options, if you weren’t concerned about switch include:

     – Never Summer Swift
     – Capita Navigator

     Or if you still wanted some switch performance

     – Burton Deep Thinker
     – GNU Hyper

     In terms of lightness, from what I’ve weighed, they are, in order of lightest to heaviest:

     Deep Thinker (17.71g/cm) | felt light
     Navigator (17.97g/cm) | felt light
     Hyper (18.09g/cm) | felt normal
     Thunderstorm (18.72g/cm) | felt light
     Mind Expander (19.87g/cm) | felt normal
     Swift (19.87g/cm) | felt normal

     Note average board (from hundreds I’ve weighed) is around 18.71g/cm. Also note that wider boards are disadvantaged in the grams per cm calculation, because this doesn’t take into account width. So shorter/wider type boards (e.g. Mind Expander, Swift) are naturally going to be heavier per length. None of the above felt heavy on snow.

     Size-wise, if you could also let me know your height, that would be great. While weight and foot size (and riding style and ability level) are more important than height, IMO, I still like to take height into account, for the leverage factor.

     Hope this helps

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2. JD says

   June 22, 2024 at 2:14 pm

   Hello! Can you tell me how well the Burton Step-On bindings would pair with the Yes Standard?

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   • Nate says

     June 24, 2024 at 5:16 pm

     Hi JD, thanks for your message.

     Burton’s Step On Binding would be good match to the Standard, IMO. The Genesis Step On would be the best match, IMO, but the regular Step On should be fine as well. I just wouldn’t go with the Step On X, which would be too stiff for the Standard. In terms of Step On boots, the Photon would be the best match to the Standard, IMO.

     Hope this helps with your decision

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3. Benny JK says

   March 27, 2024 at 5:17 pm

   Hey mate, I’m an intermediate trending towards advanced rider. No park, but increasingly hitting exploring side hits and looking at adding more air to my groomer and side country riding. When I can, I spend time in the trees. Love it.

   I live in AU, so hard/icy in the morning. Hit Japan for Pow. I’ve ordered a 2025 Jones Storm Chaser (now with mild camber) for Japan trips and pow. I also have a 2024 Yes Hybrid for more playful, mellow riding.

   I’m about 245lbs, 6’1, size 13 hoof. I was looking for a stiffer, camber-focused daily driver for improving carving, switch riding, and cruising with my 10 year old. I’ve actually ordered a 2025 Yes Standard Uninc 162. HOWEVER, I’ve reading about the aggressive/catchy, less agile (i.e. in trees) nature of the Uninc, so have been considering changing to the Yes Standard for the daily driver as it’s a bit more forgiving. I also want to be able to chill a bit with my 10 year old on this daily driver.

   HERE IS MY REAL QUESTION: Do you think my weight and size 13 boot size could make the 162 Uninc become softer and more agile for me than a smaller rider with smaller boots? So considering my existing quiver, between the standard, standard uninc, (and maybe another board you can think of??) what do you think for the daily?

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   • Nate says

     March 28, 2024 at 9:38 am

     Hey Benny, thanks for your message.

     No guarantees, but I think the 162 Standard Uninc could feel a little softer/more agile with your specs. Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 165. While you’d typically size down with the Standard Uninc because of width, in your case, that wouldn’t be necessary with 13s. So going down to 162 should make it a little more agile/easy going than it otherwise would be.

     Depending on the size of your Hybrid, you’re not likely to find the regular Standard to feel stiffer or more cambered. It’s less camber focused than the Hybrid is. You would get better switch performance, naturally, but I don’t think you’d see better carving performance vs the Hybrid, but you would with the Standard Uninc, IMO. The regular Standard would be easier for cruising with your 10 year old for sure (and in trees), so that’s the trade off. But I think the Uninc could still work in that scenario in the 162, given your specs. But it would be more optimized towards the carving, speed side of things than the cruising/trees side of things vs if you were to go with the regular Standard.

     Hope this gives you more to go off

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     • Benny JK says

       April 1, 2024 at 4:48 pm

       Thanks Nate the Great.

       I guess a follow up question: I’ve been reading a lot about big guys, sizing for board length, stiffness/flex and a balance of all of these. Can’t just go short based on width alone. Need to consider flex/stiffness as well.

       Can you suggest any boards that have that freeride/all-mountain balance of camber underfoot and rocker in the nose (and maybe tail) that have the stiffness to handle my weight at a slightly shorter length? My mission is to have one board that i size down as far as I can, whilst still supporting my weight and boot size.

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       • Nate says

         April 3, 2024 at 11:02 am

         Hi Benny

         First board to come to mind is the Rome Ravine Select, but I think the 162 would be pushing it being too narrow for 13s, and the 166 wouldn’t be sizing down. Some other options:

         – Jones Flagship 162W – not as stiff as the Ravine Select, but still quite stiff – certainly stiffer than the Standard Uninc, in my experience. Still a little borderline width-wise for 13s, IMO, but a little wider than the Ravine Select 162. There’s the Ultra Flagship, which is supposed to be super stiff, but we haven’t tested it, so not sure.

         – Rome Freaker 162W

         – Jones Stratos 161W

         – Capita Mega Death 161W – rode the 2025 model but no review up yet. Certainly stiff though.

         – K2 Alchemist – haven’t tested it, so don’t know for sure, but it’s supposed to be stiff. There’s a 159W, but not sure if it would be wide enough.

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4. Ryan says

   March 24, 2024 at 7:50 am

   Hey Nate, thanks for the thorough review as always! Based on this one, I just picked up a Thunderstorm. What bindings do you think would pair best for a guy who’s is his early 40s. I love powder, trees, groomers, off piste, mostly blues, but occasional blacks. I don’t hit the park but wouldn’t mind pushing myself to learn to make a lap through every now and again without completely embarrassing myself.

   Also, by the time I pulled the trigger on the board, the only size left in my range was the 158. I’m 5’11” and just under 200 lbs. do you think this will be too small?

   Thanks again!

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   • Nate says

     March 26, 2024 at 10:58 am

     Hey Ryan, thanks for your message.

     Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 160/161, so I don’t think you’ve gone too small. A little on the smaller side, but should be fine. If you like to ride really fast you may find that it feels a little small, but otherwise, I think you’ll be fine. But if you could also let me know your boot size, that would help.

     In terms of bindings, I would look at something in the 6/10 to 7/10 flex range to match that board and your riding style/specs. You can check out some good options on this list and this list. Let me know if you have any questions about those.

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     • Ryan says

       March 26, 2024 at 1:41 pm

       Thanks for the quick reply Nate! My boot size is 10.5. I’m looking at the Bataleon Blasters, Jones Mercury, Union Atlas, or Rome Katanas at the moment. Any guidance based on those options?
       I do like to ride somewhat fast but I rode my son’s Gnu Mullair 161 this year and it felt long, at least compared to the Ride Machete I’ve been on for 10 years. I was planning to pick up the 161 Thunderstorm but they sold out too quick. Hopefully I’ll be happy on the 158.
       Thanks again for the help!

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       • Nate says

         March 27, 2024 at 11:41 am

         Hey Ryan

         I think you’ll be fine width-wise on the 158.

         All really good choice, in terms of bindings. I just rode the Bataleon Blaster (asymwrap version) recently and they were nice. And I’d say they are a 6/10 flex. The Fullwrap version is supposed to be a little stiffer, so that’s probably more like 7/10 flex, but hard to say for sure, having not tested them yet. If you’re wanting a bit more board feel/freedom of movement, then I would be leaning either Blasters or Katanas. If you’re not too worried about that and response/support is your main thing, then I’d look at the Atlas or Mercury. If you want the best shock absorption, then go Mercury, IMO. For shock absorption the Katana/Blaster are the next best, followed by the Atlas.

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         • Ryan says

           March 27, 2024 at 4:45 pm

           That’s good information! Thanks again Nate, I really appreciate your help!

         • Nate says

           March 28, 2024 at 9:25 am

           You’re very welcome Ryan. If you think of it at the time, would be curious to hear how you get on, once you get a chance to get your new setup out on snow. Happy riding!

5. Mo says

   March 11, 2024 at 5:09 pm

   Hi Nate, the search for the perfect board continues. I’m tired of my old gear from the early 2000s and I’m deciding to finally pull the trigger on a refresh. Your reviews have been immensely helpful but I’m still a bit unsure of what makes the most sense for me. I was hoping I could list some of my preferences and you could recommend a few boards to check out.

   – 5’10”, 170 lbs, athletic build
   – Will be using 10.5 Burton Photon step on boots and medium re:flex step on bindings
   – Snowboarding since the late 90s
   – These days I’d say I’m a strong intermediate rider. I typically spend my time at resorts on blue runs and will do the occasional black
   – I’m typically only getting out to Tahoe for 1 long weekend per season in March and the last few seasons the snow has been hard packed with a bit of ice mixed in
   – I spend most of my time riding groomers doing my best to carve and occasionally go off piste to dip through some trees
   – On the steepest sections of blues and blacks I find myself doing close to 180 degree turns to keep my speed in check at a medium pace but on less steep sections I really enjoy doing sweeping wide angle flowy carves at a medium fast pace
   – I really appreciate having strong edge hold to increase confidence on steeper runs and hard packed + slightly icy snow
   – I never find myself in the park and will only do the occasional side hit on runs
   – I don’t ride switch or do any ground tricks
   – I never find myself in powder

   Happy to provide more info here if needed. Thanks in advance for any advice here and thanks again for this awesome site!

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   • Nate says

     March 14, 2024 at 7:40 pm

     Hi Mo

     Thanks for your message. Some options you could check out below:

     – YES Standard 156
     – Arbor Shiloh Camber 159
     – Jones Mountain Twin 157

     With the Standard being the best option for icy conditions from those, IMO, but all of them being good in those conditions. Or if you wanted to go a little stiffer:

     – Slash ATV – just rode the new model of this and it’s a great board for carving and turning and really good edge hold. Haven’t updated our review yet, but think this would work well.
     – Burton Custom
     – GNU 4×4
     – Nitro Team

     You could look at something more all-mountain freestyle, like those on this list. Even though you don’t need switch capabilities or anything, you’re also not looking for powder, so some of those could work too. Thinking particularly the YES Greats, GNU RC C3, Lib Tech TRS, as they’re all really good in hard/icy conditions.

     Or you could go more directional if you wanted as well – something like the GNU Hyper, Jones Mind Expander, YES Hybrid. Given what you’re looking for there are lots of options. But hopefully that helps you narrow it down at least somewhat.

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6. JLPoppy says

   February 29, 2024 at 6:29 am

   Hi Nate

   I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your content. I think I have bought at least five boards for my family using your info. I’m a compulsive analyzer and your content is so detailed and well organized, it’s the best!

   I bought a board for my husband for Christmas a few years ago. A Bataleon Omni 163. I bought it on a whim knowing it was outside his comfort zone, he typically likes hard charging boards, super stiff. He’s not a park rat. But as our son spent more time in the park he wanted something a bit more playful to spend time with him and the Omni fit the bill. He even loved it for all mountain. He used that board far more than I anticipated.

   The board is toast now and it’s time to find a replacement. Omni is no longer made it looks like. I have some Bataleons myself and they are such fun boards! I do find the rating on them in terms of flex is usually far off, they are soft boards to me.

   My husband said the Omni was extremely soft flex compared to anything he’s ridden before. He currently has Jones boards for daily driver and big mountain but wants another playful board.

   It has to be directional. No twin.

   i really want to be the hero again and find him another board to love but it’s a lot of pressure considering how much he adores his Omni

   Any suggestions ?

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   • Nate says

     March 3, 2024 at 10:10 am

     Hi JLPoppy

     Thanks for your message. Given how much he likes the OMNI, I think it makes sense to go with something Bataleon again. Or at least something with a 3D shaped base.

     First board that comes to mind is the Thunderstorm. It’s directional and is rated a 6/10 flex from Bataleon (which is what they rated the OMNI for flex). It doesn’t have any taper (narrower tail than nose) which the OMNI does and there are some other differences. Certainly not going to feel like exactly the same board, but a pretty good chance he’ll like it.

     Another option could be the Party Wave Plus – also rated a 6/10 flex by Bataleon, but tapered directional. It is more of a short/wide board though, so you’d want to size it differently. I can help with that, if it’s something you’re interested in, but I would say the Thunderstorm is more similar.

     The Cruiser would also be a good bet – again it’s tapered directional, 6/10 flex from Bataleon, but it’s also more of a short/wide (aka volume shifted) board, so sizing would be something to think about with that one as well.

     I think the best bet would be Thunderstorm though and that’s what I’d be leaning towards. I could look at other brands for something as well, but I don’t think there’ll be anything more similar to the Omni.

     Hope this helps

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     • JLPoppy says

       March 14, 2024 at 11:54 am

       That’s awesome and so detailed thank you so much.

       I think I have him sold on the Thunderstorm! I think it sounds perfect too actually.

       He has a Jones stratos, do you think there is too much overlap/redundant? I know I have the Bataleon Storm and didn’t go for the Stratos myself because I felt like it was too similar.

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       • Nate says

         March 18, 2024 at 2:12 pm

         Hi JLPoppy

         In some ways it’s similar – like in terms of the type of board it is – though the Stratos is tapered and overall a bit more directional. But I found the Stratos much heavier/damper/stiffer than the Thunderstorm. The Thunderstorm much more playful, buttery and easy going.

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7. Julien says

   January 15, 2024 at 10:31 am

   Hi Nate, thank you for this review. It’s very complicated to find the snowboard that fits best and your reviews help a lot. I’m still hesitating and I was hoping you could give me your opinion.

   My description : I’d describe myself as hi-intermediate progressing towards expert level.
   I’m 27 with a good condition and I ride in the French Alps.
   I don’t like riding in the park.
   I spend most of my time on the slopes (cruising side hits / carving). I occasionally ride switch.
   As soon as conditions allow, I also like to go off-piste in the powder.

   I have selected a few boards thanks to my research and your reviews : Yes Standard or Standard Uninc / jones mountain twin or ultra / ride deep fake / ride shadowban / rome ravine select

   Which board do you think would suit me best? Don’t hesitate to suggest others if you have any in mind.

   Thank you in advance

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   • Nate says

     January 17, 2024 at 5:54 pm

     Hi Julien

     Thanks for your message.

     The YES Standard is a very good all-round board with no major weaknesses, so you can’t go wrong there, IMO.

     The Standard Uninc is a more aggressive board, which rides better at speed than the Standard and better at high speed carves but not as well at slower speeds and isn’t as good in powder.

     The Mountain Twin is another very good all-rounder, without any noticeable weaknesses, so another that wouldn’t be a bad choice.

     The Ultra Mountain Twin is a better carver and more stable at speed vs the Mountain Twin, but again, like most stiffer boards, isn’t as good at slower speeds and feels more aggressive.

     I prefer the Mountain Twin/Standard for sidehits, slower to moderate speeds, riding switch and riding in trees. The Standard over the Standard Uninc for powder, but the MT and UMT pretty similar in powder – and more like the Standard than the Standard Uninc. The Standard Uninc/UMT better for speed and carving, in my experience.

     We haven’t tested the Deep Fake, so can’t say there. Haven’t tested the Shadowban either, but hear it’s a pretty mellow board all-mountain, bordering on freeride. We did test its predecessor (the Wild Life) which is supposed to be very similar, but not exactly the same.

     The Rome Ravine Select is quite a stiff/aggressive freeride board. Not going to be as fun for side-hits, riding switch or cruising, IMO. But very good at speed, for high speed carves and for powder. But it’s something that’s quite hard work at slow to moderate speeds. Unless you’re quite a big guy and strong, it may not suit your riding style.

     The Rome Ravine (non-select) might be the better bet. It’s easier going, but still good in powder and still good for carving/speed. It’s not as good for riding switch as some of the others, but doable.

     Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision

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8. Andrew says

   January 4, 2024 at 2:21 pm

   Hi Nate – thanks for all the amazing info. I’ve been doing a ton of digging and was hoping you could weigh in on some final choices for a board for me.

   About me: I would classify myself as a once advanced rider, now an intermediate rider working on becoming advanced again. Boarded a lot in HS & college, but just getting back into it after a 10ish year break. I am 33 in pretty decent shape. Went twice last winter, felt comfortable on all the blues, and by the end of the day was comfortable on easier blacks. For reference, I have only ever boarded east coast, to the extent that matters for ratings. Taking a trip out west this winter though, and plan on doing so regularly in the future, so I would like a board that works for both coasts, and will be decent in powder/trees.

   I am not a park rider at all, and don’t really plan on getting into it. I prefer cruising, carving, some side hits, and occasionally bombing groomers. Looking for a good all mountain board. Rode the NS Snowtrooper twice last winter and loved it…unfortunately it was stolen, so I am looking to replace. Considering replacing it same for same, but also thinking I may want something a little stiffer that will give me more confidence at speed.

   Looking at the Capita Mercury, Mega Merc, Riders Choice C2X, RCC3, T.Rice Pro, and Cold Brew. Leaning Cold Brew or RCC2X, but welcome your thoughts! Also interested in the Bataleon boards, Thunder, Thunder Bolt, Goliath, but worried the 3BT will throw me off. Or, perhaps due to my long break from boarding, there won’t be as much of an adjustment period, as I am going to be adjusting to whatever board I get.

   Thanks!

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   • Nate says

     January 7, 2024 at 1:13 am

     Hi Andrew

     Thanks for your message.

     From how you describe your riding, I would be leaning either Mercury or RC C2X. The Mercury a little better in powder, but the C2 C2X decent in powder for a twin.

     The Cold Brew could work too, based on specs, but it’s not a board we’ve tested, so can’t say much based on experience.

     I think Bataleon could work for you. I don’t think you’d have too much trouble adjusting, given your 10 year Hiatus. The Goliath would work, if you wanted something a little more at the freestyle end of all-mountain and good, but not great in powder. The Thunder Bolt and Thunder are now discontinued, but would be good bets, IMO, for what you’re describing, if you could find an older model – or you could look at the new Thunderstorm, which replaced them.

     Given how you liked the Snowtrooper, you could look at something else Never Summer – something like the Swift, if you weren’t too worried about going more directional.

     Hope this helps with your decision

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9. Bill says

   January 1, 2024 at 8:07 am

   Hi Nate,

   You provide great information here.
   Hoping to get your opinion…

   I’m upgrading from a Burton Motion 156 that I’ve been riding for 25 years.
   I ride 1-3 weeks a year, mostly northeast but occasionally out west.
   I’m Intermediate-Advanced rider, mostly riding groomers and trees.
   Not a speed junkie but don’t want to be left in the dust by my kids either (ha!).
   Age 51, 5′-7″, 160 lb, 10.5 burton moto boot, large burton cartel bindings.

   Have been doing some research.
   Yes Standard 153 seems like a good fit for me.
   Would you suggest another board and/or size?

   Many thanks for your help,
   Bill

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   • Nate says

     January 1, 2024 at 5:46 pm

     Hi Bill

     Thanks for your message.

     I think the Standard would suit how you describe your riding well. And I agree that the 153 would be the best size for you. I can give you other suggestions, if you’d like, but the 153 Standard would be a good bet for you, IMO.

     Hope this helps

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10. Miguel MG says

    December 19, 2023 at 11:52 am

    Hi Nate
    First of all, this is just a great website that you have here, I recommend it to friends as the go-to site if they want to get a new board…
    I’ve checked it myself a million times. Already know it a couple of years…
    Had a question and hoping you have some time for answering!
    Age:44.
    Length 174 cm (5.74 ft)
    Weight: 76 kg (167.5 pound)
    Shoe size: 43
    Been boarding for the last 8 years now, I would say at a good intermediate to advanced level. Days in the mountain, probably between 15 and 25 per season in the past years.
    Originally from Belgium but moved to Suisse 3 years ago, hence allowing for more days in the mountains.
    I started with a Forum board which was second hand and was very playful. I bought a Nidecker Mellow (size 154) 2-3 years and it works well in the powder, but as my son is turning 3 and will start skiing, so I will be spending more time on the slopes in the years to come so looking for a board that feels good on the slopes. Not too aggressive/stiff, I do find the Mellow already pretty stiff… Also plan on doing a bit more tree runs, hence looking for the less stiffer option.
    I also have a splitboard (K2 Madauer – size 159) which I have taken out a few times, and hoping for a long and sunny winter to have more of it…
    I’m considering from your all mountain list the Bataleon Thunderstorm (size 154 or 156, leaning towards 154), the Yes standard (153 or 156?)… Any thoughts? Or anything else like the Mountain twin perhaps?

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    • Nate says

      December 20, 2023 at 2:17 pm

      Hi Miguel

      Thanks for your message.

      The Mellow is a stiffer board and the 155W (I don’t see a 154 model for that board, unless there was one prior to the 2020 model?) is quite big for your specs, given how wide it is. So that would make it feel stiffer again. Good for powder, having that extra surface area, but for your daily driver, particularly if you’re going to be riding slow at least sometimes, then it would be harder to manage on groomed slopes.

      I would put your “typical all-mountain size” at around 156/157. But with something like the Mellow, as wide as it is, I’d want to size down from that and more than just 1-2cm. That said, it’s a good size as a powder board, so a good option to keep for that.

      For your new board, I think the Thunderstorm would be a great choice. It’s nice and easy to maneuver and good in trees. And certainly less stiff and aggressive.

      The Standard would work too. Not quite as good in trees as the Thunderstorm, but for everything else it would work. Same for the Mountain Twin.

      The Goliath+ could work too, if you didn’t need it to be amazing in powder – or even the regular Goliath (which is a little softer than the Goliath+ and is super easy to maneuver). The Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker, Slash Brainstorm and YES Typo could all also work for what you’re describing.

      Size-wise for the 3 you mentioned, I would look at:

      Thunderstorm: 156 (but you could go 154 if you wanted it to be a bit more playful/maneuverable. I was on the 156, but the 158 would probably have been the more accurate size for me. So the 154 for you would likely feel like the 156 did for me).

      Standard: 153 – this is a wider board and I would size down on this to the 153 for you.

      Mountain Twin: 154 or 157. This is a little on the wider side (wider than the Thunderstorm but not as wide as the Standard). You could go 157, but I think I’d be leaning 154 for this one.

      If you’re interested in any of the other ones mentioned, I can give my sizing opinion on those too, if you wanted it.

      Hope this helps

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      • Miguel Muinos-Gutierrez says

        December 22, 2023 at 12:49 am

        Great input, thank you Nate! I just went for the Thunderstorm 156, should receive it around Christmass and will have the first days of January to test it out! I will let you know how it goes 🙂

        Thank you again and wishing you and your loved ones a snowwy Christmas and all the best for 2024!

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        • Nate says

          December 22, 2023 at 6:13 pm

          Thanks Miguel. And you’re very welcome. Hope it treats you well and I look forward to hearing how you go with it. Wishing you a snowy Christmas too!

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11. Jeppe says

    December 16, 2023 at 3:47 pm

    Hi Nate!
    I think it’s incredible that you are taking the time to answer everyone here, thanks a lot for that.

    I’m looking to buy a new board.
    I’ve been riding the first board I’ve ever owned (A 2016 nitro chuck https://www.evo.com/outlet/snowboards/nitro-chuck-snowboard-2016) for the past 4-5 years and I feel that I have progressed a lot since then. I bought that board because it was recommended to me in a shop at a resort when I didn’t know much about snowboarding. I recently learned that it is a park board. That made me wonder if I would be better off with a new board.

    I rarely ride in parks – I’m mostly on the prepared slopes, and I am confident on most red slopes. I am mostly carving or doing larger lazier turns and getting into doing a bit of switch riding and simple freestyle stuff like ollies. I enjoy the occasional foray in the powder you can find near the prepared slopes, and powder riding is something I would like to explore more in the future. I would guess that I am somewhere in the intermediate-level range.

    I’m usually getting about 2 weeks of snowboarding per season.

    I’m looking for a board that will be fun for me to ride while allowing me room to improve my skills.

    I’m 172cm tall, weigh 65kg/143,3lbs and wear Euro shoe size 42/US 8 or 8.5.

    Do you have any board recommendations, and do you know how might I experience riding a more specialised board than the Nitro Chuck board?

    Thanks a lot.
    – Jeppe

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    • Nate says

      December 18, 2023 at 9:04 pm

      Hi Jeppe

      Thanks for your message.

      I think you’re looking in the right place. An all-mountain board like the ones here often strike a balance between being good in powder, but still good for riding switch and doing more freestyle stuff. And good for carving/turning.

      Given all this and since you’re looking for room to improve as well, I would be looking at one of the Bataleon Goliath Plus, the Jones Mountain Twin or the YES Standard.

      Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 153. It sounds like you’ve been riding a 157 (as I can only see that size for the 2016 Nitro Chuck), so given you’re used to riding something longer, you could go up to like 154/155, but I would come down a bit from the 157.

      With your boot size, however, I would err a little smaller again, particularly with something like the YES Standard. For that I would go 151. For the Mountain Twin I’d probably be looking 151 too. If you really felt that was going to be too small you could go 154 as well. The smallest Goliath Plus is 156, so it would be a little too big even in the smallest, IMO. The Goliath (regular non-plus version) could work though – in the 153.

      Hope this helps with your decision.

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      • Jeppe says

        December 23, 2023 at 5:26 am

        Hi Nate,

        Thanks a lot for getting back to me with your advice, it was very helpful, also getting your take on board sizes.
        I found a Jones Twin (151) board on sale, so I’ve ordered one of those. Looking forward to trying it out in Italy in January.

        I wish you a wonderful holiday and a happy new year.

        Best regards
        Jeppe

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        • Nate says

          December 23, 2023 at 6:22 pm

          You’re very welcome Jeppe. Hope the Mountain Twin treats you well and hope you also have a great holiday and happy new year and a great trip to Italy in January.

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12. Lorenz Heininger says

    December 1, 2023 at 8:37 am

    Hi, did you erver have a HEAD Snowboard under your feet?
    If you can, maybe the gamechanger would be a nice all-mountain board, what do you think?

    Reply

    • Nate says

      December 1, 2023 at 11:21 am

      Hi Lorenz

      Thanks for your message. I haven’t ridden a Head board, that I can remember, maybe a rental a very long time ago, but otherwise I haven’t. Always interested to try new brands and its a brand that I will try to get my hands on again this season. The Gamechanger looks interesting. I would probably classify it as a freeride board though, by the looks of it. Looks to be quite directional and while I didn’t see any taper specs, in the picture it appears to have quite a bit of taper.

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      • Lorenz Heininger says

        December 3, 2023 at 1:22 am

        Thanks for your opinion and answer.

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13. Will F says

    November 29, 2023 at 12:47 pm

    Hi Nate,

    I need some help on buying my first board and hoping you can be a huge help! Basically I am going on a bachelor trip in early March to steamboat springs and want to get some gear. I’ve been snowboarding since I was 14, my grandmother had a house in big sky Montana until recently and we used to go every winter and snowboard for a week or two. We always rented gear because we figured we were growing young high schoolers and there was no point in investing in that stuff for me to grow out of it. Fast forward to now and I have graduated college and started my job and want to go ahead and get some gear so I don’t have to rent and can invest in some solid gear. Sadly I’m on the Ice Coast (Nashville right now) so most my boarding will be in North Carolina so I need a board that will be great in icier conditions too. I’d love a board that was a kind of quiver killer and all terrain role. I can do some tricks and enjoy the park but also love carving downhill and doing runs through trees so I would love an all around board. Sorry if this is a lot of info just wanted to give a backdrop on everything!

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    • Nate says

      November 30, 2023 at 2:06 pm

      Hi Will

      Thanks for your message.

      If you’re not too worried about how it will go in powder, then something like the Arbor Shiloh camber would work well. If you do want some powder performance, for when you see it, then I would take a good look at the YES Standard, which is really good in icy conditions. But I’d also take a look at the Mountain Twin as well. If you wanted something a little more aggressive, without going too aggressive, then you could look at something like:

      – Jones Ultra Mountain Twin

      – Nitro Team Camber

      – Burton Custom

      – YES Standard Uninc

      – GNU 4 x 4 (limited sizing, but if you fit one of the sizes it could be a really good option.

      And if you weren’t really too bothered about how it goes in deeper powder, then you could also check out our top all-mountain-freestyle snowboards list.

      Also, let me know if you want any sizing opinions. I would just need your weight, height and boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of your boot size).

      Hope this helps

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14. Sean Fraser says

    November 24, 2023 at 4:22 pm

    Hi Nate,
    Thank you for all that you do.

    I am an advanced snowboarder who has primarily ridden park boards in the past. I am looking to transition slightly away from a pure park board to something a bit more all mountain freestyle. I love park jumps & side hits, buttering, riding switch and aggressive carving. Can you recommend any boards that are still fun and loose but can handle a bit of off piste kinda terrain a bit better than a park board?

    Any help is greatly appreciated!! You are the man.
    Sean

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    • Nate says

      November 25, 2023 at 10:41 am

      Hey Sean

      Thanks for your message.

      Depending on how aggressive your want to ride in general, you could look either here (all-mountain-freestyle) or here (aggressive all-mountain-freestyle) – from what you’re describing, I think all-mountain-freestyle is probably the way to go, given you still want to give things a little playful by the sounds of it.

      Note that there probably has to be some kind of middle ground/compromise, given that you want to be able to both carve aggressively and keep it fun and loose. Which is why I would go all-mountain-freestyle. The aggressive all-mountain freestyle will typically allow for more aggressive carving, but tend to be more aggressive overall and tend to be harder to butter etc.

      When you talk about going off piste, are you likely to be in fresh powder often or not? If so, then this list (all-mountain) does offer more powder performance, but if you don’t really see deep powder, then something all-mountain-freestyle will be enough for shallower powder.

      If only really shallower powder, I would be leaning something like:

      – Lib Tech TRS
      – Never Summer Easy Rider or Proto Synthesis
      – Salomon Assassin
      – GNU RC C3 or Rider’s Choice C2X
      – YES Greats

      If you think you’ll see deeper powder relatively often, then you could look at something like:

      – Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker
      – Bataleon Goliath+
      – Jones Mountain Twin
      – YES Standard

      Hope this helps with your decision

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15. Natalia says

    November 22, 2023 at 3:22 pm

    Hi,
    Coud you receommend me snowboards for me? I’m 162 cm higjt and my weight is about 55kg. My size of feet is 39 EU. I looking something which allows me speed riding.
    I feel comfortable in wholl surfrance during fast riding. I actually rode on veeery old Burton FeelGood (2006) 144cm. What would you recommend me? Which one model and size of board? I don’t ofen vist a snowpark. I prefer riding on stock.

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    • Nate says

      November 23, 2023 at 10:24 am

      Hi Natalia

      Thanks for your message.

      Since you’re riding predominantly on groomers, I would look at something like:

      – Jones Airheart 2.0
      – Burton Feelgood Camber (will feel different to the 2006 model. But if you feel you didn’t like the 2006 model when you rode it, might be best to consider one of the other options here)
      – Arbor Swoon Camber
      – Rome Muse

      These would all be great options for what you’re describing, IMO. This is assuming you’re not really riding in powder. But if I have that wrong and you need powder performance, please let me know.

      In terms of sizing, I would look at the following for you:

      – Jones Airheart 2.0: 143
      – Burton Feelgood (camber): 142
      – Arbor Swoon Camber: 143
      – Rome Muse: 143

      Hope this helps

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16. Charlie Wiss says

    November 21, 2023 at 11:34 am

    Hi Nate, Thank you for running this excellent site. I’m looking to get a new snowboard and am a little lost. I probably fall somewhere in between the all-mountain and mellow free ride categories. My ability level is probably advanced intermediate-to-advanced (I can ride most anywhere, but not particularly well or confidently on double blacks unless it’s a powder day). I don’t go into the parks at all. I live on the east coast and almost exclusively ride in the Rockies (mostly Colorado), thus only ride about 2 weeks a year and need a quiver of one. I’ve been riding a Rossignol Krypto Magtek circa 2016 ? I really like its grip in hard/icy conditions and it’s stability at speed, and it was better in powder than what I had before. I found it challenging to maneuver in bumps and trees. I’m 6’1″, 205 lbs and had the 163. What would you suggest in terms of a board that I can confidently bomb down the groomers, enjoy playing in the powder when the opportunity strikes, and is nimble/manuverable enough to handle moguls and trees ? Thanks in advance, I hope I hear from you

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    • Nate says

      November 22, 2023 at 11:20 am

      Hi Charlie

      Thanks for your message.

      From what you’re describing, I would look at the following:

      – Bataleon Thunderstorm
      – Jones Mountain Twin
      – GNU Hyper
      – Bataleon Cruiser
      – Jones Mind Expander
      – Capita Navigator
      – Burton Skeleton Key
      – Burton Free Thinker
      – Never Summer Swift

      These are all either in list or the Mellow Freeride list. That doesn’t narrow it down a whole lot, but gives you plenty of options that I think would work well for you. Pay close attention to their score breakdowns to help you narrow down what you want to prioritize the most, but I’d say all of those should work well for what you’re describing. Note that I would say that the Mountain Twin, Hyper, Skeleton Key and Free Thinker are the better boards for icy conditions vs the others, in case that helps with narrowing it down.

      Hope this helps

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17. Sherri Baughman says

    November 14, 2023 at 3:03 pm

    Please help with board recommendation: female 5’3″, 130lb. Currently have Nidecker (Flow) Venus riding several years in Michigan & blues @ snowmass keeping up with adult kids in powder/trees and groomers. Now in Cali so need a board for Tahoe & want to improve & will be riding much more often with very experienced friends.

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    • Nate says

      November 16, 2023 at 10:43 am

      Hi Sherri

      Thanks for your message. From what you’re describing, I take it that freestyle performance isn’t important for you and you mainly need something that can carve and turn well on groomers, has good powder performance and turns easy and quickly for trees. That’s what I’m basing this on, but if I have left anything out, then let me know.

      Some options to look at (and the size I would go for in brackets – but if you could also let me know your boot size, to confirm those sizes are the most appropriate):

      – Bataleon Thunderstorm 144
      – Jones Dream Weaver 145
      – Jones Hovercraft 2.0 144 (note this is a wider board, so depending on your boot size, may not be as appropriate.
      – GNU Barrett 146
      – Capita Equalizer 146

      Or if you were happy to have slightly less powder performance, but still decent, you could also look at:

      – YES Hel Yes 146
      – YES Hello 146
      – Jones Twin Sister 146
      – Capita Paradise 145

      Check out more details on those, to make sure they have what you want. The score breakdowns on our reviews and top picks will show their relative abilities in different areas, how we felt them.

      Note that the women’s board version of this list is here. And also to look at this one for freeride boards, assuming you’re not needing park/switch performance.

      Hope this helps with your decision

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18. Brigham says

    October 23, 2023 at 8:40 pm

    Great List Nate. Man it seem like there must be a mistake with the Thunderstorm. Either with their spec list or their price, because I can’t figure out how that thing can come in at $100 less than the previous Thunder! Unless it’s all about just trying to get more people on it now that it’s genderless and covers all sizes. Anyway, deal of the season if you ask me. Love the Thunder. Keep it up!

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    • Nate says

      October 24, 2023 at 8:38 am

      Hey Brigham

      Thanks for your message.

      I agree! I didn’t know what price-point they were going to put it out at when I rode it. When I saw it I had to triple check it was correct.

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19. Steven says

    October 1, 2023 at 12:23 pm

    Hey Nate,

    Thanks for the very informative article. I fairly new to snowboarding (about 2 years), but I also live in Texas so I only go on maybe 3-4 trips a year anywhere from 2-4 days per trip. Would say I am far passed the beginner stage.
    Last year I got the GNU Antigravity and I was pretty underwhelmed with it. So I sold it and looking for a new board. I want a nice all mountain board that can do just about anything. But doesn’t need to excel in every category. I’ll mostly be on groomers, but maybe the occasional tress and park (no rails just jumps). Not sure where I will be going (POW or Ice) so I nice mixture would be good. I’m about 6ft, weigh around 190lb and size 11.5 shoe size.

    I’m looking at the Capita Mercury, DOA, Jones MT, and Yes Standard uninc

    I’m wondering if any of these would be good for me or if you had any recommendations.

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    • Nate says

      October 2, 2023 at 12:05 pm

      Hey Steven

      Thanks for your message.

      The only one of those I would hesitate with is the DOA, just because it’s not great in powder, IMO (and not as good in icy conditions as the others), so if you want something that’s going to be at least OK in powder for when you get, I would go with one of the other 3. The Standard, IMO, is the best in icy conditions, but the MT and Mercury are still good there. The Mercury is what I would call the most aggressive. And by that I mean, it rides better when you ride it a little more aggressive – so with a bit of speed under it and leaning deeper into the edge. It’s still nothing that you have to be ultra aggressive on or anything but just a little more so than the other 2.

      Size-wise, I’d be looking at:

      Mercury: 158W
      MT: 159W
      Standard: 159

      Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision

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      • Steven says

        October 7, 2023 at 8:02 pm

        Thank you for the reply! With this information I think I will be going with the jones MT. I wanted to ask if you had and recommendations on boots and bindings and how you felt abou step-ons. I currently have the Union contact pro, which I do like, but I take forever to strap in haha.

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        • Nate says

          October 9, 2023 at 2:27 pm

          Hi Steven

          I would be looking to match the MT with something around a 6/10 to 7/10 flex in terms of both boots and bindings.

          If you were to go Step-On, I think the Step-On Genesis with the Photon BOA Step On boots would be a good bet. I haven’t tested the regular Step On bindings, but from what I gather they’re roughly a 7/10 flex, so they would work too. I like Step Ons. Not quite enough to convert to them myself, but I don’t mind the ritual of strapping in. You can see more on my Step On Genesis review here. I definitely liked them more the 2nd time around than the first time.

          If you were looking at strap in bindings, I would look at the following for some good options:

          >>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings

          >>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings

          And for boots, I’d look here:

          >>Top All Mountain (medium to medium-stiff flex) Snowboard Boots

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20. Andrew says

    September 17, 2023 at 5:56 pm

    Hi Nate
    I was wondering if you had anymore detail on the Bataleon Thunderstorm? You have it as a great all mountain board, but on paper it looks more powder-freeride suited. While I love that style I am in Australia so most of my riding is groomer, park, side hits and the off trail is not deep powder more soft pack snow. The board looks like it will be good for visits to Japan and northern hemisphere resorts but not sure about throwing it around my local hills?
    I’m 100kg (95 on a good day) and size 12 boot and I’m getting on in age.
    Any more advise would be appreciated.

    Thanks

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    • Nate says

      September 18, 2023 at 1:51 pm

      Hi Andrew

      Thanks for your message.

      It’s more directional than what I would deem as a typical all-mountain board. But it’s not as directional as what I would deem a freeride board. It’s kind of in the middle. The reason I erred towards putting in the all-mountain category, is because of how versatile it feels when riding it. It doesn’t feel super directional and while it’s not as good for switch as some others here, it’s otherwise very good at riding groomers, in my experience. If it has a weakness it’s that it’s not amazing for icy conditions. It’s not terrible there either, but it’s average rather than good in that area.

      Our full review for the Thunderstorm will be published November 6th.

      Hope this gives you more to go off

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21. Berkay says

    September 16, 2023 at 3:41 am

    Hi Nate,

    Thank you for the great content! Really helpful! I’ve read many of your reviews and narrowed down my options into a few. I would be really happy to get an advice from you.

    I am looking for a do-it-all type of snowboard which will help me become an advanced rider. I currently ride a DC PLY 156, but i want to upgrade it to a higher quality material. Due to its limitations on powder, extruded base and park oriented nature, i think it’s not a great match for me and it’s time to replace it with a board that meets my current expectations more.

    I think i am a progressing intermediate rider, trying to reach advanced level. I ride 15-20 days each season at 4-5 different resorts . Some resorts with hard/icy snow conditions, some with trees, some with steeps and some with powder(rarely). I want to be able to ride in all conditions with a single board, so i need a really versatile one. I think i see hard/icy snow conditions more often than the others, but i still have occasional powder days as well, or some days in the trees.

    About my riding style and my needs:
    *General riding style: I dont have a specific riding style. It depends on the resort and my mood. Sometimes i like aggressive riding and carving the groomers, sometimes fooling around outside the groomers, sometimes playful with butters and 180s, and sometimes powder/trees whenever possible. So i need a really versatile board.
    *Turns: I am comfortable with many types of turns. Sometimes i ride with quick/aggressive turns with a solid technique but sometimes i have fun cruising and slashing around, especially with friends. So i need some forgiveness on turns without sacrificing the aggresive capabilities of the board too much. Considering that i also enjoy outside of groomers, responsiveness and quickness at turn initiation are important for me.
    *Carving: I am good at overall carving, but i am not a deep carver. I am not able to really lay it out yet. Carving is one the areas i still want to improve. I am not carving on groomers all the time, but i want to be able to carve harder when i do it. So, edge hold and stability are important for me, considering that i ride on hard/icy conditions in a significant amount of my time.
    *Speed: I usually like to ride fast, but not a speed demon. I dont need something super fast to bomb with, but i want to feel stable and comfortable when i reach high speeds.
    *Powder: Since i dont see it too often and my DC PLY is not good at it, i have poor performance in powder. I really want to get the joy out of it with a board that helps me float. I dont need a freeride board, but i believe some directional features and a little rocker at nose and tail would be great.
    *Uneven terrain/crud/chunder: I like to ride outside of groomers as well, so a little bit of stability in that kind of terrain would be great. It doesnt need to be a monster, but i need a decent one to feel stable and comfortable as much as possible outside of groomers.
    *Switch: Even though i had a twin board, i am not great at switch riding yet, because i haven’t invested in it enough. So this is one of my improvement areas. The board doesn’t have to be a twin. A directional board suits me better in my opinion, but it should keep the door open for switch riding and still enable my improvement.
    *Tricks/jumps: I not a park guy and not going to be. I enjoy side hits and small jumps in the terrain. I am not great at ground tricks like butters and 180s yet, but i am improving. This is also one of my improvement areas. The new board doesnt need to be super buttery, but i want to be able to butter without too much effort.

    My size:
    I am 175cm(around 5feet 9inches) and weigh between 85-90kg(around 185 to 200lbs). My shoe size is 43 (size 10 in US). I used to ride 156cm DC PLY, because the guy at shop recommended me that size. I dont know how to calculate the true board size for me, so a little help from you would be great. What would be my true all mountain board size in your opinion?

    The snowboards in my list:
    After reviewing many snowboards mostly based on your reviews, i narrowed down my options into four and i am considering one of the following boards to buy. I would appreciate any comment or recommendation from you. They are all great on many aspects, but they are different in some specific areas in my opinion.
    *CAPITA MERCURY: The most aggressive one on my list i think. Great for carving and aggressive riding, but lacks a little bit of playfulness and forgiveness.
    *JONES MOUNTAIN TWIN: I couldnt find any weak points of this board, but it’s not the expert at any specific area either. Really versatile one. Maybe a little weaker at carving and speed comparing to the others on my list.
    *YES STANDARD: I couldnt find an actual weak point, seems it can do everything. Maybe a little weaker at carving and speed comparing to the others on my list. It’s one of the best in edge hold and grib i think. I read some reviews claiming that it does not have enough camber between the inserts and it lacks that pop feeling. They say it’s not good for carving and speed. Based on your review, i think it’s an awesome board but the comments on other websites made me think twice about it. I also heard some people saying that the overall material quality of YES boards are not as good as Capita boards. So, i wonder your opinion about all those.
    * SALOMON DANCEHAUL: I don’t know anything about short and wide volume shifted boards, but based on the comments i’ve read so far, it seems like a good option for me. It seems like it can do everything just as the other all mountain boards on my list. The only weak point i found is switch riding. It doesn’t have any twinish features, so it must be hard to ride switch but people say it’s do-able. (im not sure if i can ride switch on it). It leans towards the freeride end of all mountain spectrum i think, but except for poor switch capabilities, it seems like a pretty fun, stable and versatile board. I would like to hear your opinion about this one as well.

    So, can you recommend me a snowboard that suits me well and the best sizing for it? I would also be happy to hear if you suggest other alternatives.

    Thanks,
    Berkay

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    • Nate says

      September 18, 2023 at 1:08 pm

      Hi Berkay

      Thanks for your message. As I was reading through your comment the first boards that came to mind for me were the Standard, Mountain Twin and Mercury, so I wasn’t surprised to see those there. The other one I would add is the Rossignol One – as it’s very good in icy conditions. It’s more along the lines of the Mercury in terms of aggressiveness (at least in more recent models – previously it was more mellow). Being not quite aggressive enough to be considered in our aggressive all mountain category, but on the more aggressive side of this list.

      Mercury: It will be harder work for when you’re looking to slash around and be more playful/freestyle, but it’s still not something that you can’t slow down and ride. But will be trickier than the MT and Standard. The trade off, is that it does give better carving, IMO. Not as good in terms of icy edge-hold as the Standard, IMO, but not bad either. One of the better Capita boards in hard/icy. Similar in hard/icy vs MT, though if I had to pick I’d say MT just a touch better in hard/icy but it’s really close.

      MT: Yeah, really is the definition of do-it-all. All conditions, all styles of riding. For the kind of riding you’re describing, this is never a bad choice.

      Standard: I can’t say in terms of durability how it will hold up, because I haven’t owned one. I’ve heard a lot about durability issues with YES boards too. But I do own the YES Greats, and it’s held up well for me. I don’t ride it every day or anything, but I have put at least 40 days on it and hasn’t shown any major signs of wear on it yet (had it since 2019). It does carve as well as the Mercury but it does as well as the Mountain Twin, in my experience. The Standard Uninc carves better, but isn’t as good in powder, so it’s not as versatile. Though in saying that, on an icy day I think I’d still rather be carving with the Standard than the Mercury. In any other conditions (soft to hard), I’d prefer the Mercury for carving, but you can still definitely lay a carve with the Standard, in my experience.

      Dancehaul: You can ride any board switch. I test even the most directional boards switch and I’ve never not being able to do it. Just sometimes it’s really not fun! I got on the 2024 Dancehaul over the winter and I will have my review out for it later in the year, but it is going to make our top mellow freeride list too – which will be updated this week, probably towards the end of the week. It’s not easy to ride switch but doable. It’s also not the worst out there, but it’s not great. I’ve given it a 2/5 for switch. It’s going to be better than the others for powder and loves trees. And whilst it’s on par for carving with the MT and Standard, in my experience, it’s a little down in terms of stability at speed. Part of that is because of it’s width you have to size down. This also restricts it’s effective edge, which affects how good it is in hard/icy conditions. It’s not bad, but not as good as the other 3 listed, in my experience.

      Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 161-162, but depending on the board you could size down a little from that. The Dancehaul for sure would size down, but the Standard is wider too. If you were able to narrow down your choice to 1 or 2 boards, I would be happy to give you a more specific sizing opinion for specific boards.

      Hope this helps with your decision

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      • Berkay says

        September 21, 2023 at 8:43 am

        Hi Nate,

        Thank you for your time and for the detailed explanation. You are extremely helpful!
        I think i am able to narrow down my options into two: YES Standard or Jones Mountain Twin. But I still need your advice on choosing one of them.

        After your reply, I am convinced that the Dancehaul is not exactly what i am looking for. Mercury is a great board for sure, which is better for carving and aggressive riding, but at the same time it is the least forgiving board in my list. It is also harder to perform butters, trees and side hits, but definetely doable if you put the effort in. It still keeps the door open for those things, but it is not as enjoyable as Standard or MT. So I am a little confused about the Mercury… I think I will make my decision based on how much i sacrifice on playfulness with Mercury vs. how much i sacrifice on agressiveness with MT or Standard.

        As i understood from reviews, it’s not too much sacrifice on aggressive riding with MT or Standard, because they still offer stability at high speed and a decent carving capability. On the other hand, it seems like i need to sacrifice more on playfulness, ease of turns and forgiveness with the Mercury, along with the edge hold. The Mercury looks like a more demanding board to me. Considering that i can ride max 15-20 days in a season, i am more likely to choose MT or Standard over the Mercury, because i want to enjoy my limited days as much as possible instead of fighting with the board when i want to cruise around.

        I came up with the following list to compare the capabilities of the 3 boards to help me decide. I ordered the board functions based on how important they are to me and then compared the 3 boards under each function. Would you agree with my comparison below?

        1)TURNS/MANUEVERIBILITY/SLASHING:
        MT>Standard>Mercury
        2)CARVING:
        Mercury>Standard>MT
        3)EDGE HOLD ON HARD SNOW/ICE:
        Standard>MT>Mercury
        4)FORGIVENESS:
        Standard=MT>Mercury
        5)STABILITY AY HIGH SPEEDS:
        Mercury>Standard>MT
        6)EDGE TO EDGE QUICKNESS/TREES:
        MT>Standard>Mercury
        7)UNEVEN TERRAIN:
        MT>Standard>Mercury
        8)POWDER:
        Standard>MT>Mercury
        9)SIDE HITS/SMALL JUMPS:
        MT>Standard>Mercury
        10)SWITCH:
        Standard=MT>Mercury
        11)BUTTERS/GROUND TRICKS:
        MT=Standard>Mercury
        12)BIG JUMPS:
        Not required
        13)JIBBING:
        Not required

        So, it looks like the only area where Mercury shines is carving and speed. Based on your reviews, i understood that there is not a huge difference in terms of carving and speed capabilities of Mercury vs MT/Standard. I mean, Mercury is better for sure but without a huge difference. In that case, i think i can keep the Mercury out of the game and focus on choosing between the Standard and MT. Which one suits me better between the two in your opinion?

        It would also be great if you help me to choose the correct board size.
        Height:175cm
        Weight: I cant keep my weight stable. It changes between 80-90kg usually. I am usually at the higher end of that interval but planning to lose some weight. (hopefully)
        Boot size: 43 (US 10)
        Age:35
        Physical condition: Athletic/can ride the whole day with short breaks

        Lastly, i want to ask about my bindings and boots. I have Burton Ruler boots and Burton Mission bindings. I want to keep them unless they are totally incompatible with the Standard or MT. Your opinion on this would be really helpful as well.

        Thanks,
        Berkay

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        • Nate says

          September 21, 2023 at 12:26 pm

          Hi Berkay

          That all looks right to me, the only ones I would change would be:

          8)POWDER:
          Standard=MT=Mercury
          9)SIDE HITS/SMALL JUMPS:
          MT=Standard>Mercury
          10)SWITCH:
          Standard>MT=Mercury

          For both the MT and Standard you boot and binding setup should work fine.

          Size-wise, I would go 156 for the Standard and 157 for the MT.

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        • Piotr says

          October 5, 2023 at 3:51 am

          Why you don’t consider Bataleon Thunderstorm? Seems to be similar to Standard based on Nate’s review.

          And yeah I need to pull the trigger before the coming season and I am torn between Standard / MT / Thunderstorm

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          • Berkay says

            October 22, 2023 at 3:25 am

            Hi Nate,
            I’ve decided on the Standard 156. Thanks for all the help. I will share my experience with the Standard after the season starts.

            @Piotr,
            Thunderstorm would meet my expectations as well, but Standard and MT seemed stronger to me.

          • Nate says

            October 23, 2023 at 1:52 pm

            Hi Berkay

            You’re very welcome. Hope it treats you well. Looking forward to hear how you get on, once you get a chance to get it out on snow.

        • John says

          February 18, 2024 at 4:30 am

          wait your review about standart bacause its really difficult choice

          Reply

22. Andrew says

    September 16, 2023 at 2:18 am

    Hi Nate,

    Great post – really appreciate the useful content!

    Would be grateful for some advice.. intermediate level rider, looking for an all mountain board, mostly resort riding, occasionally powder, trees, off piste. Currently riding a Capita Outerspace Living 154cm and have narrowed the list down to the Capita Mercury and the Jones Mountain Twin – leaning more towards the Mountain Twin. My stats -height 174cm, weight 65kg, boot size US9.

    Jones website size finder recommends the Mountain Twin in 151cm or 149cm which seems a bit short, would you go with that or the 154cm?

    Thanks in advance!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      September 18, 2023 at 10:56 am

      Hi Andrew

      Thanks for your message.

      I think the 149 is too short for sure. But I think the 151 would be a good bet for you. The 154 is also doable, will depend on what you want to optimize with your riding.

      For your specs, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 152/153. Which is why I think you could go either way. The main reason I would be leaning 151 is because of the width of the board. With US9 boots the 154 is on the wider side for you and add that to being on the longer end of your range, and it’s on the bigger side. Still certainly doable, but I think the 151 is more optimal. Some widths below for reference:

      MT 154: 251mm waist, 264mm back insert, 263mm front insert
      OSL 154: 248mm waist, 259mm back insert, 258mm front insert
      MT 151: 248mm waist, 261mm back insert, 260mm front insert

      Not that these all assume a 560mm (22″) stance width. If you ride with a narrower stance width, these numbers will be smaller, and if you ride with a wider stance width, these numbers will be higher.

      Given you’re used to a 154 as well, makes the 154 more doable, but just note that being wider and with more effective edge (118.6cm vs 117cm on the 154 OSL), it’s likely to feel a bit bigger than the 154 OSL. Depending on how you’re looking to ride, that might be fine. i.e. if you’re looking to optimize stability at speed, float in powder and optimize for higher speed carving. But if you’re more concerned with agility, butterability, trees, spins, ollies etc, then erring smaller will help. If you’re looking for a balance of them, I would be leaning 151, but if you feel like you don’t want to go smaller than what you’ve been riding the 154 is in range.

      Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision

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      • Andrew says

        September 18, 2023 at 9:49 pm

        Thanks Nate for the reply! A lot of really useful info in there and i hadn’t looked at it from the perspective of width and effective edge. So this is very helpful. Thanks again for all the effort put in replying and creating great content!

        Reply

        • Nate says

          September 19, 2023 at 1:48 pm

          You’re very welcome Andrew. Hope you have a great season!

          Reply

23. Nicola says

    September 10, 2023 at 9:53 am

    Hi Nate,

    I appreciate your informative reviews – they’ve been really helpful!

    I’m an intermediate rider from London (UK) who spends time both in the Alps during winters and at an indoor centre for freestyle lessons during the rest of the year. I plan to keep my current board for the UK and get a new one for the Alps.

    Stats: 5’6″ (168cm), 150 pounds (68kg), US 9.5 boots (used US 8.5 before). Currently on a 2019-2020 Yes Basic (152) that I bought particularly for its performance on icy conditions.

    My riding style: I spend most of my time on groomers where I like making quick, medium, and long edge-to-edge turns and carving. Steep terrains are not my strong suit, but I can do black runs alright. I like venturing off-piste to the sides of the groomers and through trees, and enjoy natural-bumpy terrain. I’m working on improving my switch riding skills. I enjoy buttering, and lately I’ve been getting into park riding, where I can do 180s and 360s (still working on them) on small to medium jumps, tackle easy boxes and rails, and perform some basic flatland tricks.

    In other words, I like doing a bit of everything. I’m eyeing two boards: Yes Standard and Yes Greats Uninc. The former feels like a step up from Basic, and the latter is an asym board, and my UK coach has spoken highly of this type of boards.

    Can you recommend a board between those two and the best sizing, or suggest alternatives?

    Thanks,

    Nicola

    Reply

    • Nate says

      September 11, 2023 at 12:48 pm

      Hi Nicola

      Thanks for your message.

      I would be leaning Standard, particularly if you’re likely to get some powder when going into the trees. The Greats is a little better for freestyle stuff, but the Standard is still good there and it gives you the added powder performance when you need it. I find the Greats a slightly better carver too, but in terms of “do-it-all” the Standard is one of the best going around for that all-rounder capability.

      In terms of sizing, I think the 151 would work. But this is assuming that you’re boot size is men’s US9.5. If it’s women’s US9.5 (equivalent of men’s us8.5), then I would be leaning towards sizing down to the 149. Even though the waist width doesn’t make it look it, it’s wider than it looks, at the inserts, because of that mid-bite. In the 151, you’ll be looking at a wider width at inserts, though the waist width, tip/tail width are a touch narrower. The overall surface area, is pretty much the same. So, I think the 151 is your best bet, but I would consider the 149, if you’re boots are US Women’s 9.5.

      If you were to go Greats, I would go 149. It’s the kind of board you want to size down for, more so than the Standard. This is partly because it has more effective length per overall length and it’s wider again, both at the waist, the inserts and tip/tail and in terms of overall surface area. I think the 151 would feel a bit big, particularly when you’re in the trees.

      Hope this helps with your decision

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      • Nicola says

        September 16, 2023 at 8:10 am

        Hi Nate,

        I really appreciate your message, it’s been quite helpful!

        I just wanted to clarify that I’m a man. In the UK, my name is a female name, but in Italy, where I’m originally from, it’s a male name 🙂

        To get a comprehensive view, what are your thoughts on the Basic Uninc and Standard Uninc boards as all-around options compared to the other two boards? Considering that I typically spend less than 10% of my time in powder during a season, it might be wise to opt for a board with a slightly lower powder performance if it offers advantages in other aspects.

        One more question, I hope I’m not bothering you! I currently have a pair of Union Strata (M) bindings. Would these work well with the new board I’m considering? Do you think I should consider upgrading my bindings as well?

        Once again, thanks a lot for your assistance! 🙂

        Nicola

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        • Nate says

          September 18, 2023 at 1:19 pm

          Hi Nicola

          My apologies, I try not to make assumptions based on names, but unfortunately I did this time. In that case, certainly the 151 for the Standard.

          Without much powder, I would be leaning either Greats or Standard Uninc. The Greats if you want more freestyle performance and to keep the flex a little more mellow. I think you would appreciate the Greats more when you’re indoors vs the Standard Uninc, which is at it’s best when it has more speed under it. The Standard Uninc would give you just a little more powder performance than the Greats, which is a bonus, but given how much of your riding is indoors, I would be leaning Greats or Standard over the Standard Uninc, which is harder work to control at slower speeds than the other 2. And also, the smallest size is 153. Whilst this isn’t so big that it’s out of range for you, it’s bigger than optimal, IMO. Doable in that size, but given everything else, in conjunction with the size, I would be leaning the other 2.

          The YES Basic Uninc would work too. A bit easier to manage for slower speed riding and probably a better balance between indoors and outdoors vs the Standard Uninc. It’s more manageable at slower speeds. But it’s not going to give you any more powder performance vs the Greats and I would personally take the Greats over it for what you’re describing.

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          • Nicola Gallo says

            September 26, 2023 at 12:44 pm

            Thanks a lot Nate for your reply, I should now have all the necessary info to make my final decision. Taking all into consideration, I am still undecided between the Greats and Standard, although I may end up buying the latter since the Greats 149cm is hard to come by in the UK, it’s already out of stock on the official Yes website!

            Thanks for the great content, I look forward to reading your next reviews 🙂

          • Nate says

            September 27, 2023 at 11:03 am

            You’re very welcome Nicola and thanks for visiting. I hope whichever you end up getting treats you well. If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get out on snow again.

24. Joshua Donderewicz says

    May 2, 2023 at 7:26 am

    Hi Nate,

    I’m 6’2 about 210lbs and size 13 boot. I have been riding an Option Kevin Sansalone 162,5 wide for the past 26 or so years. I was looking at getting the Yes Standard or the K2 Instrument. Mostly ride groomers but, want something that can handle the occasional powder and free ride, not a park guy. What would be your advice?

    Thank you

    Reply

    • Nate says

      May 2, 2023 at 10:54 am

      Hi Joshua

      Thanks for your message.

      I haven’t ridden the Instrument, so can’t say much about that one – though is likely to be a little better in powder vs the Standard, based on specs.

      But the Standard would work for what you’re describing. It’s still decent enough in powder (particularly if you set up in the slamback stance on a pow day) and an all-round really good board. If you’re looking for something super playful or super aggressive it’s not either of those things, but sits right in the middle, so you can get a little playful on it and a little aggressive with it too – it sits right in that middle ground.

      Size-wise for the Standard, I would say 162 would be spot on for your specs.

      Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision

      Reply

      • Joshua Donderewicz says

        May 3, 2023 at 6:09 am

        Thank you!

        Reply

        • Nate says

          May 3, 2023 at 5:59 pm

          You’re very welcome Joshua

          Reply

25. Stefan says

    March 22, 2023 at 2:24 am

    Hello! This is my forth year of snowboarding. My level is a 6 intermediate. I started with a Directional Flat Rocker Volkl Dimension 159 ExtraWide Flex 6 (yeah, i know, it’s too big for me) with K2 Indy bindings, flex 4. I have 1,84 height 65 KG(but my target is to have 70kg till next season) and Mondo 29CM, US 11, EU 44,5 (Boots Nidecker Triton, Flex 6). Almost all the season days (~20 days) I ride groomers, because our weather doesn’t want to help us, but whenever we get some powder days I venture off piste and through the trees. I like to ride with speed and I like carving. Sometimes I do ollies and I’m learning to do 180 smoothly. In other words, I need an All mountain snowboard good at speed, powder, carving, between trees and sometimes switch. So, i want to buy a good snowboard and I’m not decided at which one. I made a top 3 for me: Yes Standard, Jones Mountain Twin and Capita Mercury. I don t know what size it’s better for me because of my weight, so I want to hear your opinion.
    What board do you reccomend from the ones above and what sizes? Also, let me know if you suggest other boards.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 22, 2023 at 3:56 pm

      Hi Stefan

      Thanks for your message.

      I think the 3 boards you’ve listed would all work well for what you’re describing. The Standard and MT better in trees and easier for 180s, ollies, etc, IMO, with the Mercury being a little better in terms of speed/carving. So I think it depends on which of those things you want to value more.

      Size-wise, yes I think the 159 Extrawide board was a bit too big. I would be leaning 156 for the Standard, 156W for the MT and Mercury.

      Hope this helps with your decision

      Reply

26. Ilya says

    March 14, 2023 at 11:59 am

    Hi Nate!

    What do you think about Borealis Tundra? Will you review it someday?

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 15, 2023 at 12:39 pm

      Hi Ilya

      Thanks for your message. Borealis is not a brand we’ve tested yet and hasn’t been on our radar to this point. Will look more into them though and see if we can get hold of something to test.

      Reply

27. Vicki Ledergerber says

    March 10, 2023 at 7:25 pm

    Hi Nate,
    Hoping you can help with some suggestions for a board upgrade.
    I’m female, 165cm tall, 73kg, boot size US8, intermediate, and been boarding on and off for about 12 years.
    I’m in New Zealand so here you mostly have firm packed groomers, though I’ve just come back from a couple of weeks in Japan where we had every condition from metre deep powder, to icy packed groomers to ungroomed moguly runs with spring slushy snow. We will probably do more of these trips in the future. My dream is to become good enough to do some back country but I need to improve my technique first.
    I don’t like going to fast, so I try to wash off speed a bit with my turns, but I’m working on picking up speed and progressing to a bit of carving. If I can I prefer to do a little bit of trees to the side of the groomers and seek out natural roller coaster type terrain. I lose a lot of confidence on icy cat tracks and icy flatter conditions where you can easily catch an edge or steep black runs with bumps, so I want something that can help to improve my confidence here, whilst holding an edge well and also responsive when I want to make a turn.
    I tried a few boards while in Japan and they were so different from each other. I probably liked the Jones dreamcatcher the best but that was in deep powdery conditions. The jones twinsister was OK on the firmer pack but think I could do better. I had one board, can’t remember the brand now that seemed to do really well holding an edge on turns when I picked up speed but a bit slower was impossible to control and was slipping everywhere in the icy conditions. So it would be nice to have the control it gave in faster speeds but needs to be way more responsive when initiating turns and stable going slower. I had a private lesson and the instructor thought I would do well on a slightly directional board with camber.
    I’m currently on a very old burton feather 149cm. I haven’t narrowed down any board options at the moment. In google searches the YES and GNU boards seem to come up as highly rated.
    Any suggestions would be much appreciated. (Also thoughts on nidecker supermatic bindings?)

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    • Nate says

      March 11, 2023 at 10:24 am

      Hi Vicki

      Thanks for your message.

      Given your style of riding, I agree with going with something directional. If you’re not doing any tricks or riding switch, then best to optimize your riding in one direction. Having a board with camber is often a good idea for a number of reasons, depending on your style, but I agree for how you describe your riding it’s a good idea. a. because it tends to hold in ice, all else being equal and b. it’s better for carving and you want to work towards carving. However, I wouldn’t go full camber for a couple of reasons a. it’s not as good in powder as boards with some rocker and b. it tends to be more catchy when there’s only camber. So a directional hybrid camber, hybrid camber, hybrid rocker, something like that will work well for what you’re describing, IMO.

      Often a board that’s really stable at speed is going to be less maneuverable at slower speeds. It’s often a trade off you have to make. But there are a lot of boards that can give you enough stability at speed but still be decently maneuverable at slower speeds. Finding a good balance. It’s likely the board you rode that was stable at speed was quite stiff flexing (which tend to be good at speed but not when riding slow) and likely that it didn’t need to be as stable as it was for the speeds you want to go, so can dial back that a bit, so that it’s enough stable at speed, but still with good slow speed maneuverability.

      Yes, GNU and Lib Tech (and Niche and Rossignol) tend to be the boards I find best in icy conditions. I find Jones boards to be pretty good there too, but in a tier just below those mentioned. Given that you’re looking for better than the twin sister for those conditions, I’m going to limit my search to those that I consider the best in icy conditions.

      Based on all that, I think the following would work well:

      – Yes Hel Yes 152 or 149
      – Niche Sonnet 151
      – GNU Barrett 152 or 149

      Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 152, but you could size down a little from that as an intermediate – and as you want to spend time in trees/bumps. But I’d also take into account what you’re used to. If you’re used to riding a 145 for example, then I’d err shorter than 152. If you’re used to riding a 155, then I’d stick to something around 152. If you remember the sizes of the other boards you’ve been riding (and the board you currently own), that would be really helpful to narrow it down to the best sizes. Particularly after riding for 12 years, don’t want to err too far from what you’re used to.

      I would be leaning YES Hel Yes as it’s a little more intermediate friendly than the other 2, but without taking anything away in performance.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

28. Michal says

    March 3, 2023 at 6:57 am

    Hi Nate,

    Great reviews here from you!

    I’m looking to get a new all mountain board.
    I’ve been riding since 2008 on Ride Decade 160 and want to upgrade. I’m 180cm/80kg intermediate to advanced.
    I’d ride mainly on the slopes, sometimes a little fun when riding slower.
    My preferences are carving, carving in icy conditions (in this is Decade bad), a lot of short and long edge to edge turns,
    sometimes little speed, sometimes small jumps on bumps.
    I don´t ride in the parks. Powder only rare.

    I´m looking at Nitro Team Camber 159 or Burton Custom Camber 158. Is it good choice or would you recommend something else?

    Thank you very much!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 3, 2023 at 2:06 pm

      Hi Michal

      Thanks for your message.

      I think both Team Camber and Custom Camber could work for what you’re describing. Neither are great in powder, but also not terrible in powder, so should be fine in that respect if you don’t see powder that much. And they’re not so stiff/aggressive that you can’t ride slower on them when you need to. But they are what I would call a little more aggressive than anything on this list. But for your level, what you’re used to riding and how you want to ride, I think they would both work well (and both quite similar boards to each other). Size-wise, I think you’re spot on with the 159 and 158 – but if you could let me know your boot size, just to confirm they’re appropriate in terms of width.

      Hope this helps with your decision

      Reply

      • Michal says

        March 7, 2023 at 2:39 pm

        Yes it really helps. Thanks.

        My boots size is US 10.

        Would you recommend any other type for my level and specs or this two are best choice for me?

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        • Nate says

          March 8, 2023 at 5:44 pm

          Hi Michal

          With your boot size, I think those sizes are just right for you.

          There are a lot of options that would work for what you’re describing, so don’t want to coogest the waters by putting too many options out there. I think those two are solid choices for what you’re describing, given you don’t see a lot of powder. You could also check out something like the YES Standard Uninc. Again, a lot of options, but don’t want to confuse things too much when those would be solid choices, IMO.

          Reply

          • Michal says

            March 8, 2023 at 11:31 pm

            OK I understand.

            Thanks a lot.

          • Nate says

            March 9, 2023 at 4:36 pm

            You’re very welcome Michal. Happy riding!

          • Michal says

            March 15, 2023 at 1:08 am

            Hi Nate,

            What size of Yes Standard Uninc would you recommend for me? 156 or 159.

            Thanks

          • Nate says

            March 15, 2023 at 1:08 pm

            Hi Michal

            With your height/weight specs and with 10s, I would go 156. It’s the size I prefer and we’re very similar specs. This board is wider than it looks, so sizing down is a good idea, IMO. The 159 wouldn’t be wrong, but combination of length and width would make it on the big side for you, IMO.

29. Gordon says

    March 1, 2023 at 2:22 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Great content in this article. I’m considering the YES Standard, but am getting conflicting advice on the sizing. I’m 6’1″, 155 pounds, size US 9.5 boots. I ride a lot of deep powder and steep stuff but also like to hit small/medium park jumps and the occasional groomers. YES customer service says, “The Standard is volume shifted so it’s pretty typical to size down a few cm’s so the 156 could potentially feel a little slow edge-to-edge.” – indicating I would be on a 153. Initially I was set on the 156 (all my previous boards have been 154-156). Any suggestions? Thanks!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 2, 2023 at 3:52 pm

      Hi Gordon

      Thanks for your message.

      The Standard is something that’s worth sizing down on, because of the width. If you had bigger boots, then maybe not, but with 9.5s (which is what I also ride), this is a board I would size down for.

      I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 157/158, which would make the 156 doable. However, given you’re used to a range of 154-156, I would be leaning 153. The 156 will feel bigger than a typical 156, so unless you feel like that 154-156 range has felt small to you, then I would go 153. It will likely feel right in the middle of the typical 154-156 range. If you do feel like you wanted to go bigger than what you’re used to, the 156 wouldn’t be ginormous for you or anything, but I would be leaning 153 in this case.

      Hope this helps with your decision

      Reply

      • Gordon says

        March 6, 2023 at 12:55 pm

        This is really helpful – thanks!

        Reply

        • Nate says

          March 7, 2023 at 6:19 pm

          You’re very welcome Gordon. Happy riding!

          Reply

30. Rad says

    March 1, 2023 at 5:27 am

    ps I like going fast down slopes 🙂

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    • Nate says

      March 1, 2023 at 11:21 am

      Hi Rad

      Thanks for your message.

      I would be leaning Standard or Mercury, as their better at speed over the Assassin, in my experience. The Standard Uninc would also be a good option. Size-wise, I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 159. With the Standard/Standard Uninc being wider, you can often size-down for them, but with 11s and given you like to ride Fast, I would be leaning more towards the 159. I think the 162 would be a little big, especially when taking into account the length and width. But could be doable if your used to riding something around a 162W. Same with the 156, it could be doable, if you’re used to riding more around that length, but I’d be leaning 159.

      The Mercury I think would work well in the 158W ideally.

      If you weren’t getting really deep in your carves and depending on the profile of your boots and your binding angles, you could possibly even get away with the regular width 159, but you’d want all those things to be in your favor to make the width work.

      Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision

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      • Rad says

        March 1, 2023 at 1:20 pm

        Thanks for this Nate, I think it’s great that you take the time to answer all these queries; it’s of great value to a lot of people <3

        Reply

        • Nate says

          March 2, 2023 at 3:45 pm

          You’re very welcome Rad. Happy riding!

          Reply

31. Rad says

    March 1, 2023 at 5:10 am

    Hi Nate, thanks for your very informative tests, they are of great help.

    I have done 38 years of riding (!), I’m an occasional rider now, have given up on freestyle and big jumps and I’m looking for a new all mountain board that I’d use mainly on the slopes but want to be open to have fun all over. Have got a good offers between 3 2023 boards: Salomon Assassin, Yes Standard and Capita Mercury. Which one would you go for?
    I’m 5’11 with 11 US boots, 76kg, there’s also a Standard UNINC but only in size 162 or 156…
    Help? 🙂

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32. Matt says

    February 27, 2023 at 11:19 am

    Hey Nate,
    You gave me some awesome first board advice when I was getting into boarding. I’m looking to possibly upgrade my board, and was hoping you could offer some suggestions that would fit my riding style. I would rate myself as a strong intermediate that’s starting to peek into the advanced category. I ride average 3x a week at my local hill (Perfect North in Indiana, so not the greatest conditions, frequently icey), and try to make at least two trips a year out west or north to bigger resorts. 5’10, 165. Currently riding a 2018 Snowtrooper (155) with 2021 Nitro Phantoms (with most of the forward lean dialed in) and 32 boots on the stiffer end. This year I have been working to improve switch riding, spins, navigating moguls, and modest jumping off of natural features (I’m not a park guy). I would describe my riding style as: deep stance, enjoy power turning, like to make lots of quick, medium, and long edge to edge turns and carves and really savor each run and enjoy the flow. I’m not a bomber, and rarely do I just make a speed run down the hill. I like control and being able to turn and go where I want to go when I want to go, if that makes sense. I’d really be interested to hear any board recommendations you have that would fit that style, offer a technological improvement over my current board, and be something that I can continue to grow into. Thanks!

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    • Nate says

      February 28, 2023 at 10:54 am

      Hi Matt

      Thanks for your message.

      Given that it sounds like you still want switch performance and are doing spins and natural jumps but also want decent powder performance, then I think you’re in the right place here.

      Because you’re regularly in icy conditions, I think something like the YES Standard & Rossignol One would both be really good bets. But a number of others here could still work well – like the Mountain Twin, Team Gullwing or Mercury. The Bataleon Goliath+ could work too, though it’s a little down in terms of icy conditions, IMO, vs those others mentioned.

      Or if you wanted to step up the aggressiveness a little bit could even look over at >>Our top 6 Aggressive All Mountain Snowboards, though if you’re not really bombing, might be a little on the stiff side – but something like the GNU 4 x 4 could work.

      Hope this helps with your decision

      Reply

      • Matt says

        February 28, 2023 at 11:06 am

        Thanks Nate. Yes very helpful. I had been looking at the Mountain Twin really hard. I’ll read up on your other suggestions as well. Thanks very much!

        Reply

      • Matt says

        February 28, 2023 at 12:32 pm

        And real quick, looks like the Mountain Twin size options are 154, 156 wide, and 157. Riding 155 currently with size 9.5 boot. Any suggestions on best size out of those options?

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        • Nate says

          March 1, 2023 at 9:42 am

          Hi Matt

          With 9.5s I wouldn’t go wide, so I would cross off the 156W. The 154 and 157 are both options for sure. I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 157, so I would be leaning 157. But the 154 wouldn’t be wrong by any means. From what I have the Snowtrooper 2018 came in a 154 and 156 but not a 155. If it’s a 156, then the 157 MT will feel more similar to it length-wise, but if it’s the 154, then the 154 will feel more similar to it – both in terms of overall length and effective edge. And do you feel like the Snowtrooper, size-wise is a good fit? Or do you feel like you could go longer or shorter?

          Reply

          • Matt says

            March 1, 2023 at 5:35 pm

            Nate you’re absolutely right. My Snowtrooper was a limited artist edition so info on it was scarce. When researching, I found one for sale listed at 155 and assumed the measurement was correct. I looked mine over carefully tonight, and in VERY small letters is “OEM156SNT,” so I’m guessing the length is 156. So here’s the rub. I ordered the 154 Mountain Twin, so now I’m concerned that I ordered too small (5’10, 165-170) and may be getting something that I’m a little too big for., as I’ll be with the board for a couple years minimum I’m sure. Thoughts? Should I send it back and exchange for 157 or keep the 154? How much difference is that 1.2 inches going to matter?

          • Nate says

            March 2, 2023 at 4:00 pm

            Hi Matt

            You’d be surprised how much difference that 1.2″ can make. But it’s not so much the 3cm of total length difference – it’s more the 2.4cm (1″) of effective edge difference that makes the difference. Still wouldn’t say the 154 is wrong by any means and you wouldn’t have a bad time on it, but I would be leaning 157 (unless you’ve felt you could go shorter than your current board), particularly if you’re going to have it long term.

33. Eric G says

    February 27, 2023 at 8:13 am

    Hey Nate,

    I’m 6′, 185 pounds and a higher end intermediate snowboarder that is looking to get my second board.

    I learned how to snowboard on the west coast with a 158W Salomon Sight. The board has treated me well, but I now live in the east coast and mostly go to NH and VT to snowboard. The Salomon doesn’t handle ice very well. So this is my main reason for swapping boards.

    I borrowed a friends Arbor Element Camber 155, and liked it a lot. I think being smaller made the board a lot more enjoyable for me. I don’t really need a wide as I am a 10.5 and my newer boots are a lot smaller. I want something that won’t slip on ice and hard packed snow, but also be able to go through the moguls and glades.

    The board should:
    Turn quick (compared to my Salomon the Element turned way quicker)
    Preform well in the glades/moguls
    Be good on hard packed ice and snow
    Be able to hang in the powder if possible, when I visit my friends on the west coast, or the rare pow day here.

    I’ve been looking at these:
    YES PYL
    YES Greats
    GNU Gremlin
    T Rice Orca or Pro

    Do you have thoughts, or a board you’d recommend over these? Also, I think Asym boards are cool but don’t know how that preforms in icy conditions.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 28, 2023 at 10:43 am

      Hi Eric

      Thanks for your message.

      Firstly, yeah, I think if you can, try to get on a regular width board – the size difference of the Element Camber is likely a big factor in what made it turn quicker than the Sight).

      I own the Greats and it’s my go to board for icy conditions. I don’t think asym affects performance in icy conditions – at least not negatively. The only downside with going Greats is that it’s not that good in powder. Otherwise it would have you covered for everything else, IMO.

      The T Rice Orca and T Rice Pro aren’t quick turners, in my experience with them, so that would be my biggest question mark over them.

      The PYL would work well, IMO. It’s a little stiffer than something like the Greats (and Element Camber) – which can often affect quick turns at slower speeds, but for its flex it’s a pretty quick turner.

      Another option would be the YES Standard. Same flex as the Greats (in my experience) but a little better in powder. Sacrifice a little in terms of carving vs Greats, IMO, but good in icy conditions and generally would tick all your boxes, IMO.

      The Gremlin could work too. It’s a volume shifted board, so you’d want to make sure to go small enough to make sure it will turn quick enough for you.

      The GNU Rider’s Choice could also be an option, it’s an asym like the Greats, but a little better in powder, IMO. Not as good on a carve again – and not as good in powder as the likes of the PYL or Gremlin, but could work for you.

      If you narrow it down to your top 2-3 choices, I would be happy to give you specific sizing suggestions for each.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Eric G says

        March 1, 2023 at 2:06 pm

        Nate, thanks for taking the time to reply to me.

        You mention the Yes Standard, is there a reason you’d recommend that over the YES Standard Uninc?

        But after reading your recommendations I am partial to YES, particularly:

        Standard/Uninc (depending on comments above)
        PYL
        Greats

        Thanks.

        Reply

        • Nate says

          March 2, 2023 at 3:48 pm

          Hi Eric

          Mostly because it’s not as good as the Standard in powder and you were looking for some decent powder performance. But it’s probably still better than the Greats in powder, so it could be an option, if you didn’t need it to be too good in powder.

          Reply

          • Eric G says

            March 3, 2023 at 5:51 pm

            What size would you recommend for the greats and the standard?

            I’m 6′ 183lbs

          • Eric G says

            March 3, 2023 at 5:52 pm

            There is a 151 greats in stock right now for $509. Near me.

          • Nate says

            March 4, 2023 at 10:43 am

            Hi Eric

            I would go 156 for the Standard with your specs and how you describe your riding. At

            It would be between the 156 and 154 for the Greats, IMO. Given that you liked the Element Camber in the 155 and given the Greats is something you can size down for and is noticeably wider than the 155 Element Camber I would be leaning 154 for you. Also given that you ride moguls and trees a fair bit by the sounds of it. But he 151 is a bit of a stretch. It’s doable if you really want that extra maneuverability but it’s not going to feel very stable at speed and not likely to float very well in powder – with a board that’s already pretty average in powder. If it was going to be your dedicated park board or something like that, I could see the 151 working, but as your do-it-all, I think it’s getting too small.

34. Will Rain says

    February 23, 2023 at 11:28 am

    I am curious to know what makes switch on Jones Mountain Twin only score 3.5 of 5. It is a true twin so should be 5 of 5 unless there is something else affecting the ability of its switch riding ability.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 24, 2023 at 9:04 am

      Hi Will

      Thanks for your message.

      It’s not a true twin. It’s directional twin. It’s maybe a little hard on it to give it 3.5/5 and could certainly stretch it to 4/5. But there’s a misconception about this board being a true twin. In it’s reference stance (and yes it has a centered stance and a freeride stance as well) it is setback 20mm and the nose is 1cm longer than the tail. Since they added the 3D contour to the base it has been easier to transition to switch, so I could get it to 4/5 now. That’s fair. But it’s not a centered true twin board, so not what I would consider 5/5. Also, I typically only reserve 5/5 for asym twin boards (which I feel ride even better switch than true twins) and only if they also actually feel good riding switch.

      Hope this explains it.

      Reply

35. Chris says

    February 9, 2023 at 8:09 am

    Hi Nate,

    I am currently looking for a snowboard for myself. I have been riding for 7 years and always been renting all seasons. Now as I beelive I am experienced enough, I wish to get a good board that suits me.

    I enjoy speedy rides, mixed with ground tricks and thinking about trying out the park when I get the board.

    I am 173cm in heights and 70kg

    Currently deciding between”
    Capita DOA
    Burton instigator pure pop
    Team Nitro

    For binding:
    Union strata
    Burton genesis
    Burton malavita
    K2 lien AT

    I haven’t thought about boots but I am thinking about Burton photon.

    It would be great if you could recommend me your preference for the snowboard and please help me which boots and binding would work well together with the snowboard.

    Thanks

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 9, 2023 at 6:14 pm

      Hi Chris

      Thanks for your message.

      The Instigator is pretty soft and likely to get wobbly at speed and given you like speed, I don’t think that would be the best option. The DOA and Team would both work well. Neither great for powder, but if you don’t tend to see powder much or if it’s never that deep, that shouldn’t be an issue. The DOA isn’t great in icy conditions either, in my experience, so if you were to get hard/icy conditions regularly, then I’d be leaning Nitro Team.

      Whether you were to go Team or DOA, the Photon would be a good match, IMO. But there are plenty of options in a good flex range, and I would go with the boots that fit with your feet the best. Some things to consider:

      >>How to Size Snowboard Boots

      Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands

      But anything in around that 6/10 to 7/10 flex in the boots would be a good bet. Some more options:

      >>My Top All Mountain (medium to medium-stiff flex) Snowboard Boots

      Assuming the Photon were to be a good match for your feet, they would be a good option.

      In terms of bindings, any one of those options would work for sure. You probably already know this, but I like to be sure, if you’re going Burton, make sure to get the Re:Flex model (the EST models only work on channel system boards).

      You could also go up to like a 7/10 flex for the bindings, if you wanted to go stiffer, but those options will work with either board, IMO. If you wanted some 7/10 flex options, I’d look at:

      >>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings

      Hope this helps with your decision

      Reply

36. Nav says

    February 7, 2023 at 6:49 pm

    Hey Nate, I was just curious on what sizing I should get for the MTN Twin. I’m 6’2 175lbs with Size 12 boots. I’m really hoping I can fit on the 156W because I do like having a smaller size for park. Would that be wide enough at the inserts? Also is the Assassin comparable to the MTN Twin? That’s also another option, thanks!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 8, 2023 at 12:43 pm

      Hi Nav

      Thanks for your message.

      I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 160, so the 159W is the first size I’d go to. However, the 156W isn’t out of range and given you like to ride smaller, I think it’s certainly a doable length. Width-wise, I think you’d be alright, depending on your binding angles, your boots and how deep you like to carve. If you’ve got bulkier boots, quite a straight back binding angle and like to carve deep (like eurocarving kind of thing), then you’re probably going to want something wider. But with the right factors it could be wide enough for you. If you could let me know your boot brand/model, binding angles and how deep you like to carve, that would help to get a better idea.

      The Assassin is similar-ish. Not the same, but it’s the kind of board you’d get for doing similar things. Size-wise, though, you’d have to go to the 158W – it’s the smallest size that would be wide enough. Note as well, that the Assassin 158W, despite having a wider waist width, than the MT, isn’t really any wider at the inserts. Assuming a 22″ stance width, you’d be looking at around 272mm at the inserts. With the same stance width around 272mm at back insert and 271mm front insert on the 156W MT.

      Hope this helps

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      • Nav says

        February 8, 2023 at 4:36 pm

        Thanks for the quick reply Nate! I wear Thirtytwo Men’s Lashed Double Boa Boots with my binding angles at 18/15 with a 22.5 inch stance. These boots were surprisingly low profile compared to my photons (in length). I do enjoy carving but don’t really go into the deep carves. Is the mountain twin a little stiffer than the assassin? Would it be just as playful as it? Thanks for all the input, awesome website btw!

        Reply

        • Nate says

          February 9, 2023 at 4:59 pm

          Hi Nav

          Based on that I think you would be OK on the 156W. No guarantees, but I would be confident personally if I had the same specs/setup.

          I would say the MT is a touch stiffer, but not much in it. But I would still say just as playful. Even though it’s stiffer that 3D spooning in the base mellows it out, allowing you to get more playful with it, in my experience.

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37. Peter says

    February 3, 2023 at 12:25 pm

    I am torn between YES Standard and Jones Mountain Twin. Advanced rider doing curving most of the time on. What size would you advise? I am 179cm height weight 70 . boot size 45.5EU (US 12) . Thanks!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 4, 2023 at 1:55 pm

      Hi Peter

      Not much between them, IMO. Are you riding powder very often and if so, is it very deep. If you’re advanced and carving a lot and don’t really see deep powder, then the Standard Uninc might be a better bet. But if you did need that powder performance, then Standard or MT are better bets. Between them, I would lean Standard, if I had to choose, but not a wrong choice between them, IMO.

      Size-wise, I would be looking at the 156 for either the Standard or Standard Uninc, for your specs. For the MT, I would be leaning 156W. Unless you are used to riding something 159+, in which case, the 159/159W options come into play as well. But purely based on specs and how you describe your riding, I’d be leaning 156/156W.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Peter says

        February 12, 2023 at 3:23 am

        Hi Nate, thanks for advise! I will take a look closer at Standard Uninc. Size-wise I am only concerned if 156 will be wide enough for US 12 boots

        Reply

        • Nate says

          February 13, 2023 at 1:38 pm

          Hi Peter

          Valid concern for sure. It would depend on a few things. Note that the 156 Standard Uninc is as wide as most wide boards. E.g. assuming a 22″ stance width the Mountain Twin 156W is around 271mm at the front insert and 272mm at the back insert. The Standard Uninc 156 is 273mm at the inserts.

          If you were to ride them with a zero degree back binding angle, and assuming your boots have an average profile, then you’d be looking at around a 5.7cm total overhang – or around 2.9cm overhang per edge (assuming a 33cm outer boot length). That would be more than I’d be comfortable with. But if you’re riding with lower profile boots and they’re 32.5cm on the outer, then you could reduce that to 2.6cm per edge. Still borderline. But if you’re binding angles are +15/-15 or similar, then you’d be able to take another roughly 1cm off. At 2.1cm of overhang per edge, I would personally be very comfortable. Maybe if you’re eurocarving you’d want more than that, but in most scenarios that would be comfortable.

          So, it will depend on your boot’s profile, your binding angles and how deep you like to carve.

          Reply

          • Peter says

            March 3, 2023 at 7:48 am

            Thanks Nate. Very valuable comment! I will measure my current Burton Royal board and measure width on front, rear to have some reference point. My current stance is 21″ for sure . As for the bindings I am used to +18 front / -6 rear so yeah… have to measure and check if 156 standard uninc will be wide enough for me.

            As for the low profile boots – already bought Thirty Two TM-2 (2023) . Will measure them once i get them but hope they are rather on the low profile side. I still consider Burton ION but not sure if they will have lower profile… What do you think?

          • Nate says

            March 3, 2023 at 2:12 pm

            Hi Peter

            Burton Ion are low profile. But I also found the TM-Two, last I measured them, to be quite low profile also. Not quite as low profile as the Ion, but lower profile than the average boot.

38. Mark says

    January 21, 2023 at 10:27 am

    Hi Nate,
    Great reviews!
    I’m looking to get a new board. I’ve been riding since 1998 and ride all over the mountain. I Live in CO. I’m 5’10, 180 lbs, boot size 10.

    I want a twin or directional twin. I try riding switch and want to get better at it. Don’t do parks too often. If I do it is the kiddy park rails. I like jumping on the runs. Love the power on wide open Vail runs and like the trees on powder days. I also like riding the bumps. So I like a board around 158 to 160. The board I have now is a Solomon Drift 159 (2010 ?)

    I like to go fast, so a board that can carve and hold an edge on hard pack and ice is good to.

    So importance,
    1 Powder,
    1 Trees,
    1 Carve, Hold an edge on hard pack/icy conditions,
    2 Jumps
    2 Bumps
    2 Speed
    3 Switch

    I’m looking at

    Yes-Standard
    Jones-Mt Twin
    Capita-Mercury/Mega Merc
    Capita DOA/Super DOA

    Any of these stand out more than others? And any other boards I should be looking at?

    Thanks

    Mark

    Reply

    • Nate says

      January 21, 2023 at 5:25 pm

      Hi Mark

      Thanks for your message.

      Standard/MT/Merc/Mega Merc all pretty similar for powder – all above average in powder without being powder dominant or anything, in my experience. DOA/Super DOA not great in powder, in my experience/IMO.

      For hard pack/icy conditions, I found the Standard the best of the list and the DOA/Super DOA the worst of the list. The MT/Merc/Mega Merc all pretty decent in those conditions, just not quite as good as standard, in my experience.

      For carving, Mega Merc, then Merc then the rest.

      For trees, I find the Standard and MT a little better in terms of short/sharp turns over the Merc and particularly the Mega Merc. DOA/Super DOA decent in terms of trees, but not great in powder in trees.

      For jumps, the Super DOA/DOA are great, but the Standard/MT and Mercury are all good for jumps too. The Mega Merc just a step down for me – I don’t like a board too stiff for jumps. Not too soft either, but Mega Merc was too stiff for me to really enjoy on jumps. Not terrible but not as good as the others.

      For Speed, it’s Mega Merc topping the list, IMO, then Merc/Standard/Super DOA then DOA/MT.

      For switch Super DOA/DOA, then Standard, then MT/Merc/Mega Merc.

      I think the Standard and MT probably strike the best balance between everything, but hopefully that gives you more to go off for your decision.

      Reply

39. Bryan Blacklidge says

    January 17, 2023 at 3:12 pm

    Hi Nate, you ranked the Yes Standard #1. The Angry Snowboarder on YouTube ranked the Ride Shadowban #1 in All-Mountain Freestyle. Are these boards in different categories? What do you think of the Shadowban? How about the Rome Freaker?

    I’m a solid intermediate rider. I can kinda let er rip and hit kickers and side hits, but not good with jibs or pipes—but I want to practice a little too. I just want a board that kinda does it all, is fast enough for a solid rider but not psycho, can still explore the mountain, but I do have my Backseat Driver Pow Surfer for the deep stuff. So I just need one more board for a 2 board quiver. Also, if you have time, could you give me your best guess and a size suggestion? I’m 6’2” and 165 lbs. Thanks!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      January 18, 2023 at 2:50 pm

      Hi Bryan

      Thanks for your message.

      I haven’t ridden the Shadowban, so I couldn’t say for sure. I did ride the old Wild Life, which is what the Shadowban is replacing and they are very similar. The Wild Life was a fun board and I enjoyed riding it – but not something that I would have topping this list. The Shadowban isn’t identical on paper, just very similar, but in practice it might be something that I would rate higher, but can’t say until I’ve ridden it. Hoping to get on it this winter. I would put the shadowban in this category (all-mountain) because it’s directional twin. But something from here could definitely work and something like the Standard is more on the all-mountain freestyle end of the spectrum and you could certainly make an argument it as being all-mountain freestyle.

      You could also check out our all-mountain freestyle list.

      Haven’t tested the Rome Freaker.

      In terms of sizing for the Standard, if you could also let me know your boot size.

      Reply

40. Karl says

    January 17, 2023 at 1:23 pm

    Hi Nate, Thank you for the great reviews!
    I am looking to upgrade my snowboard for this season. Have over 14 seasons under my belt. I take about a week per year to ride either East or West coast (ability intermediate with experience). This year I am going back to Whistler-Blackcomb for a week. I have an older Atomic all mountain board that I damaged on a rock last year in Whister (off trail), I am looking to get into something a little more quality moving forward. Still leaning towards all mountain as I ride both East and West coast. Any recommendations?
    My weight ranges between 185 to 200 lbs. 5ft10.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      January 18, 2023 at 11:12 am

      Hi Karl

      Thanks for your message.

      Since it sounds like you’re looking for something that will be good in icy conditions but also decent in powder, I would look at:

      – YES Standard
      – Jones Mountain Twin
      – Nitro Team Gullwing
      – Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker
      – Slash Brainstorm
      – Rossignol One

      With the Brainstorm and Terrain Wrecker being the most playful, the Rossi One the slightly more damp/aggressive option and everything else in between.

      If you can narrow it down to 2-3 of those I would be happy to give a specific sizing opinion on each. Generally speaking, I would say you want to look at something in the 158-160 range.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

41. David says

    January 11, 2023 at 9:47 am

    Hi Nate,

    Thank you for all of your reviews on different boards, as always. I am looking for my first board, been getting rentals before. This is my first season and I think I would classify myself as a beginner transitioning to intermediate (linking turns on all greens and some blues, starting to picking up some speeds). I am looking for that ONE board that can help me improve until I reach high-level intermediate/lower-end of advanced, even though it might be a little too far away for me right now. I am looking for an all-mountain board that’s stable at high speed but not too stiff, too many choices here and I hope you can help me narrow down the picks. I am interested in the Capita DOA & Mercury, and Burton Process Camber.

    For reference, I remembered the board I rented to start my first day was a 158 Capita Outerspace living. I learned almost everything basics till linking turns on that board, but I don’t really appreciate its design.

    I am 5’11, around 175-180 lbs, with US10 shoe size. Could you please recommend some boards (with binding & boots will be even better!) that fits my level of experience and my interest in progressing?

    Thank you for your time!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      January 12, 2023 at 11:35 am

      Hi David

      Thanks for your message.

      As a high-end beginner/low intermediate the DOA/Mercury wouldn’t be the first I’d recommend. The Process Camber doable, but I think you’d be better off going with something that will help you to progress better now – but still be good as you approach an advanced level, and I think there are boards that will do that better. I would check out this list and look for the all-mountain options there.

      If there’s nothing there that really stands out to you, then I would sooner look at the likes of the Jones Mountain Twin, YES Standard, Nitro Team Gullwing or the Bataleon Goliath. IMO those would all be boards that will make it a little easier to progress on but still very much be good until an advanced level – and even at an advanced level, depending on how you’re wanting to ride.

      From the options you suggested, I would go Process Camber over the others. From Capita the OSL would be the best bet, IMO, but sounds like you’re not so keen on that.

      Size-wise, I would be looking at around that 157/158 range. For the Standard I’d go 156 (it’s wider), the MT 157, the Team Gullwing 157 and the Goliath either the 156 or 159. If you like the look of any from that intermediate list, let me know if you want any specific sizing opinion for any of those.

      For bindings and boots, it would partly depend on the board you went with. But pretty much all of those options will be a 5/10 to 6/10 flex, so I would try to match there. If you go with a 5/10 flex board, then I’d be looking at 5/10 to 6/10 bindings. For a 6/10 flex board, you could still look at 5/10 to 6/10 flex. 7/10 flex would work too, but I would err to slightly softer than that. Same goes for boots. Some good options in those flex ranges:

      >>Top 5 Freestyle Bindings

      >>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings

      >>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings

      >>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots

      >>My Top All Mountain (medium to medium-stiff flex) Snowboard Boots

      Hope this helps

      Reply

42. John says

    January 3, 2023 at 3:17 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Great site, love all the info. With so many options I am trying to narrow down my search for a new board this season. Im 41 years old and have been riding for 20+ years. With a good 5-7 year break. I would consider myself a high intermediate to advanced rider. I am looking for that one board quiver killer that will suit my needs.

    I am 6′ 175lbs with a size 9.5 Adidas Boot. Bindings TBD (trying the Med size Nidecker Supermatic)

    I would like a board for bombing down the mountain, rarely ride switch and rarely if ever do jumps or ride in the park. Something that holds a good edge and has effortless turn initiation. Also stable at speed on uneven terrain. I would like to do some tree runs with it as well.

    I live on the West Coast in SoCal so mostly riding CA mts and some CO spots some ability to float in powder would be nice too.

    I have been looking at boards from Arbor, Lib Tech/Gnu, Jones, Burton, and Capita

    Any help on suggestions would be greatly appreciated

    -J

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    • Nate says

      January 4, 2023 at 11:25 am

      Hi John

      Thanks for your message.

      For what you’re describing, I think you’re in the right place.

      I think something like the Typo, Terrain Wrecker and Brainstorm are probably going to be too playful for what you’re after and the Shiloh perhaps not ideal either, because of powder performance, but everything else on this list is a potential, IMO.

      You could also look at something like the GNU 4 x 4, which is in the aggressive all-mountain category, but it’s on the less aggressive end of that category.

      Not to try to give you too many options, but if you’re not really riding switch or doing any park or jump stuff, you could also check out the following:

      >> My Top 10 Freeride Snowboards

      >>Top 10 Mellow Freeride Snowboards

      There’s a pretty big variety there, so check the score breakdowns and specs of the boards carefully (particularly if you’re not looking to go too directional/tapered), particularly in that second list. Some there might be a little too aggressive, in terms of your desire for effortless turn initiation, so probably those in the second list are more appropriate – the first list are stiffer, more aggressive rides.

      Hope this helps with your decision

      Reply

      • John says

        January 14, 2023 at 11:33 pm

        Hi Nate,

        Thanks so much for your reply! I’m having a real tough time narrowing it down based on the boards on those lists. Here are the boards on my list, any help crossing some of those off would be appreciated:
        Jones MT 157
        Capita Mercury 157
        Burton Skeleton Key 158
        Yes PYL – 159
        Capita Kazu 157
        Lib Tech BRD 159
        Rome Ravine Select 158

        Thanks,

        John

        Reply

        • Nate says

          January 16, 2023 at 4:07 pm

          Hi John

          Will try to help give you some things that might help to knock some off.

          The Ravine Select is a rather stiff board and not something that I would call an effortless turner. Since that was part of what you were wanting, I think you could cross this off the list. The Mercury is something that I haven’t found to be super quick edge-to-edge, so wasn’t my favorite in trees.

          The rest hard to go wrong for what you’re describing, IMO. But here’s some other things to consider.

          Of the remaining boards, in terms of icy edge hold, I would say this order:

          PYL/BRD
          MT
          SK/Kazu

          In terms of powder, I’d say:

          PYL/BRD/SK/Kazu
          MT

          Ease of turn initiation

          MT
          SK
          PYL/BRD/Kazu

          Stability at speed

          PYL
          BRD/Kazu
          SK/MT

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43. Darren says

    November 27, 2022 at 11:00 am

    hey nate, good morning/afternoon/evening

    as like a lot of folk here, just after a bit of a recommendation for a new board
    stats:
    5’8 / 173cm
    72kg
    boot size 9.5uk (thirtytwo double BOA)
    current board – Bataleon ET 154cm
    bindings – Burton Cartel
    Riding style – all mountain
    level / experience – between beginner/intermediate – 31 days = 5 trips

    aims for a new board – i love my Evil Twin but in icy/sunny conditions it is not much fun on the groomers. its a board i feel is better in powder or a fresh dump. i would like something i could learn to carve with too as well as a bit of speed.
    But mainly a board that is great on ice but is still somehow forgiving with edges (if that is even possible. im still a bit scarred from a bad fall when i first started out but i do believe i have way more control obviously that has come with experience so maybe i dont need to think about a catch free board as much)
    Brands i have researched before the article for ideas – LibTech Terrain Wrecker, Jones Mountain Twin. there are other boards i have seen like Gnu and Yes! but not had much time to check these out further

    finally, thanks for the article. the info is great and does help for ideas of where to start

    cheers

    Darren

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    • Nate says

      November 28, 2022 at 2:22 pm

      Hi Darren

      Thanks for your message.

      The first board that came to mind is the YES Typo. It’s pretty catch free and pretty mellow but good in hard/icy conditions and what I consider a very good option for a high end beginner/low intermediate rider. The Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker-, as you’ve mentioned is also a really good choice. The Jones Mountain Twin too, though, IMO, it’s not quite as good in hard/icy conditions, but not far off. It’s also a little bit of a step up in terms of level from the other 2, but again not by much – so it’s still an option.

      Size-wise, I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 156. Taking off a little bit of size for your level is a good idea, IMO, so the 155 Typo and the 154 TW and the 154 Mountain Twin would be what I’d be looking at.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • darren says

        November 29, 2022 at 1:54 am

        Hi Nate

        as ever, thanks for the reply

        i will check out the YES Typo and see what comparisons i can make with the TW.

        just a question on a board from one of your other articles, would you think the LibTech Ejack Knife is a bit too advanced for me? or would it still be fine to progress on? i found a site with my size and the price seems reasonable too so was just curious if i should consider this also

        cheers and best regards

        darren

        Reply

        • Nate says

          November 29, 2022 at 1:39 pm

          Hi Darren

          The Ejack Knife is a more challenging/aggressive board and easier to catch an edge on. IMO, for your level it’s a bit of a step too far.

          Reply

44. Jorn says

    November 18, 2022 at 7:34 am

    Hello Nate,

    We are going snowboarding again for the first time in 3 years! I currently own a Salomon sabotage 159 from 2013. I like the board but it pisses me off beyond belief when I skid out due to toe/heel drag. The dude who sold me the board said “its fine u don’t need a wide board”. I am 192cm 105kg and got size 46 feet (6″2, 230lbs, between us 12 and 13). The salomon waist width is 251mm. Another downside of it is I literally sink in anything which isn’t groomed. Which leads me to thinking I need something wider (270+) and longer (165+)!

    Some background the last years I have been mainly spending my free time kitesurfing. I got a custom made kiteboard which is very very stiff and longer then “normal’. I like the locked in feel and that I can load it up without the board giving way due to to much flex.

    While snowboarding I do mainly ride one direction (10% switch). I like to butter a bit, hit the park once a while, do some 180s on and of the tracks(3s when I manage to land one). Go trough the trees next to the tracks. So a bit of everything. I guess an (aggresive) all mountain would be a good fit. And maybe a freeride board? Apparently these are stiffer and more directionally focus compared to the all mountain ones.

    I have been googling for shops and browsing boards from the all mountain and freeride lists. Snowboard waist width should be around 272mm according to the width sizing charts.

    What I have looked into:
    Donek, I love Ryan Knaptons style but will never be at his level + too expensive too long waiting etc.
    I found a cheap Never Summer West Bound 166DF which is 285mm!! at the waist, 400 euro.
    Lib tech skunk/stump ape similar but stump outline is a bit wider so could go shorter I guess.

    Jones Ultra All Mountain
    Bataleon goliath+ I like the graphics of the regular one. But its on the softer end already apparently.
    Everything from Weston also seems to be on the wide side. However the list just keeps growing….

    I have the feeling I might be overcomplicating things. The Never Summer board is about E300 cheaper then the rest on the list. Is there such a thing as too wide? Or do you think this will be a good fit?

    Hope u can help me clarify matter a bit!

    With kind regards,

    Jorn

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    • Nate says

      November 18, 2022 at 2:11 pm

      Hi Jorn

      Thanks for your message.

      Yeah, you’re board is way too narrow (and also too short), so I’m not surprised you get boot drag and find you aren’t floating well in powder.

      There is such a thing as too wide though. I personally really dislike boards when they’re too wide for my feet, unless they’re quite a bit shorter than my typical size. So yeah, you can go too wide, IMO.

      Length-wise, I would be looking in that 164-166 range. It’ll take a bit of getting used to compared to your 159, but will be worth it in the end. Given that you like your kite board longer, then you could potentially look at something a little longer than that range too.

      Width-wise, something in that 272-280 range for waist width is a roughly about right, but you may be able to go narrower depending on a few things.

      a. binding angles. If you have binding angles you know you like, then if you could let me know them. If you’re riding with quite a bit of angle on your back binding, then you can get away with going narrower.
      b. Boot profile. Some boots have a lower profile outersole. When this is the case, you can get away with going narrower if you want to – which opens up the possibilities. Can you let me know the make/model of your boots?
      c. Some boards have more or less width at the inserts compared to the waist width, so waist width isn’t always the most accurate way to judge. Some boards are as little as only 5mm wider at the inserts vs the waist – and some as much as 15-20mm – so this can be a big difference. Most are around 8-12mm wider than the waist, but sometimes there are options might look too narrow that could work and sometimes there are options that look wider than they actually are.
      d. How deep you like to carve. If you’re not really carving that deep, then you can afford to go narrower. If you like to get really low in your carves, then you need to account for that and go a bit wider. If you’re eurocarving, for example, then you’ll want to go wider

      With the 166DF West Bound, I feel like it’s borderline too wide for you. However, if you are eurocarving, then I think it could work. Otherwise, I would try to err a little narrower.

      But yeah, if you could let me know those things – binding angles, boot brand/model, how deep you like to carve, and I can do a deeper dive into what I think would be the best options to look at.

      Hope this helps

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      • Jorn says

        November 19, 2022 at 6:45 am

        Hi Nate,

        Thanks for the reply!

        Angles: -12,+15
        Boots: Salomon dialogues size 12 us from 2015 I think.
        How deep I like to carve? Deeper than where I boot out currently…. an eurocarve looks fun but it’s not on my bucket list per se.

        Width wise yeah the West bound is pretty chunky. The widest boards for some brand seems to be around 270mm.

        Too wide will be harder to get edge to edge? Needs more rider input/effort as I understand things.

        With kind regards,
        Jorn

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        • Nate says

          November 20, 2022 at 11:34 am

          Hi Jorn

          Yeah if a board is too wide for your feet, then it’s slower to get edge-to-edge and requires more effort to do so, so it can get quite fatiguing and for me just not as much fun overall, if you’re having to really put your weight into every turn. I like the option to be able to throw my weight into it and lay a deep carve but I don’t want to have to for every turn – like to be able to do some relatively lazy turns during the course of the day as well.

          With a 12 degree angle on your back foot, I think you could go as low as around 267mm waist width – but it would depend on the particular board in terms of width at inserts. The Dialogues aren’t super low profile, but I think something around that, depending on how wide it is at the insert could work. Some options include:

          – Arbor A Frame 165MW (266mm waist) – don’t be put off by the mid-wide label, or the waist width. This thing is pretty wide at the inserts vs the waist. Assuming a stance width of around 540mm it’s around 280mm at the back insert and 282mm at the front insert, which is as wide as most with a 270-272mm waist width. And you’ll likely ride with a wider stance than that, which will make those width at inserts numbers higher.

          – Jones Ultra Mountain Twin 165W (267mm waist). Around 282mm at the back insert and 281mm at the front insert. It’s a little wider at the back because it’s not tapered but has a small setback. This is assuming roughly a 22″ (560mm) stance width. This is more what I would call an aggressive all-mountain board as opposed to a freeride board.

          – Jones Flagship 165W (266mm waist) around 278mm at back insert and 283mm at front insert. A little narrower at back insert than the other 2 above. The 169W if you wanted to err longer, would give you an extra 4mm everywhere in terms of width. And by the sounds of it you liked your longer kite boarding board, so you might like the extra length here.

          – Nitro Pantera 166W or 169W. Not a board I’ve ridden but it’s supposed to be pretty stiff and has a 271mm waist width on the 166 and 272mm waist on the 169. Not sure of width at inserts unfortunately, but if it’s similar to other Nitro boards I’ve ridden, which it likely is, then it’s likely around 10-11mm at the inserts vs the waist

          – Nitro Team Pro – again haven’t ridden but I rode the regular Team and liked it. It’s more aggressive all-mountain than freeride, but the 165W has a 272mm waist width

          – Nitro Magnum 167W – again not ridden but 272mm waist width

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          • Jorn says

            November 20, 2022 at 4:44 pm

            Hey Nate!

            Thanks for the reply.
            Of that list no to the Arbor A frame for some reasons its 800 bucks here… (mainland Europe).

            Still looking at the Jones UMT or MT. Theres a regular 165W for sale for 450 right now. The UMT is 650.

            Nitro team Pro overlooked this one. I think a friend of mine actually has one. Ill ask him about it. Not as pretty as the rest but also a bit cheaper at 500.

            Pantera/flagship/magnum currently leaning more to the more twin shapes even though I do not ride switch that much. The magnum looks very cool though.

            New runner up: Yes Standard, friend B owns one and loves it. I disregarded them since they seem small width wise but they go out pretty wide at the feet. Another plus is they put board width at inserts at the website. So a 167 has a 266 waist but 281 underfoot width!

            The still not so shortlist:
            Jones MT 165W
            Jones UMT 165W
            Nitro team pro 165W
            Yes standard 167

            Jones flagship 165/169W
            Nitro magnum 167

            Guessing I can not go wrong with the above? Want to charge more UMT / flagship / magnum / team pro. Want to chill more MT / standard.

            I’ll check out the black friday sales and see if I can pick something up then. Thanks a lot for your replies.

            Off topic I also like all the data and table stuff on board width length etc.

          • Nate says

            November 21, 2022 at 11:15 am

            Hi Jorn

            Yeah, I didn’t mention the Standard and regular Mountain Twin only because you mentioned that you liked your kite board stiff. So I was looking at options in that 7/10 or stiffer range. But if you were happy to go a little softer, they could certainly work. They are what I felt as a 6/10 flex.

            The Standard is wider than it looks – and yeah nice to see them publishing underfoot widths now – them and Jones and Nidecker are all doing it now – hopefully more follow.

            There’s also the Standard Uninc – not as good for powder, but a little stiffer, better for speed/carving, versus the regular Standard. Though, it doesn’t come in the 167. Longest is 162. It would be wide enough, at around 283mm at inserts, but might not be long enough.

45. Paul G. says

    October 22, 2022 at 11:12 am

    Nate,

    Great article. Like everyone else, I’m looking for a recommendation. I’m 6’5″, 200 lbs, and I’m looking for an All-Mountain/Freeride type board. I’m relatively new, but would want a board that I could not “outgrow”. Not going to be at the terrain park much (if at all), but want something that will carve groomers pretty well and not be too out of place in the trees, powder and backcountry (snowshoeing to snowboard…don’t want a splitboard). I have an IKON Pass, so will be doing mostly central Colorado slopes (Copper Mtn., Winter Park, Eldora and A-basin/Aspen a few days out of the year). Some sites have ratings for All-Mountain Freeride boards, which pretty much describes what I’d probably want.

    What’s your recommendation for all of this?

    Thanks,
    Paul

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    • Nate says

      October 24, 2022 at 10:19 am

      Hi Paul

      Thanks for your message.

      I would be looking at something from either this list or this list. Check out the score breakdowns to see which might be the best bet for you – and full reviews for more details as well. There are some from the mellow freeride list that won’t be as appropriate, for example, as they might be more powder specialist.

      Hope this helps

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      • Ferdinand says

        November 12, 2022 at 9:04 am

        Hey Nate, thank you for putting this list together! Has definitely been helpful!

        I am currently looking to upgrade my board this year. Currently rocking a Salomon Pulse that I picked up when I first started about two seasons ago. Looking to upgrade to a more intermediate to advance board to progress my riding.

        I am currently eyeing the Capita Mercury 2023. I am 5’7”, 145lbs. My Salomon is size 152. Do you think a 150 would be okay for me with this type of board?

        Thank you!

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        • Nate says

          November 12, 2022 at 3:55 pm

          Hi Ferdinand

          Thanks for your message.

          If you could also let me know your boot size, and I can give a more accurate opinion. Also if you could tell me a little bit more about how you like to ride. e.g. trees? park? powder? faster, more aggressiver or more cruisey? anything about what you like to do on a snowboard is helpful.

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          • Ferdinand says

            November 12, 2022 at 5:07 pm

            My current boot size is a 9.

            So far I’ve been doing mostly cruise runs on groomers. I am looking to do more aggressive and fast riding and carving, something that would be stable with speed. I will also be looking to start learning some tricks on the board, as I am near several resorts now and will probably be going more often to hit up the slopes.

            I consider myself to be an intermediate rider at this point, and really hoping to progress more this season. Not sure if the mercury would be too difficult for my current level.

            Thank you Nate!

          • Nate says

            November 14, 2022 at 3:03 pm

            Hi Ferdinand

            Thanks for the extra info.

            I think the 150 would be your best bet for the Mercury for your specs and based on what you’re describing. 153 would be doable, but as an intermediate rider and particularly as you’re looking to also incorporate some tricks, I think 150 is your best bet. I think you should be OK with the Mercury. It will definitely be a good step up from the Pulse and will likely be challenging, particularly at first, but certainly better for riding faster and more aggressively.

          • Ferdinand says

            November 14, 2022 at 3:48 pm

            Thank you Nate!

            Definitely appreciate you providing me with feedback! I am looking at some of the snowboard packages and was wondering which binding set you think would be best with the Mercury and the type of riding I am looking to do. So far, I am looking between the Union Force vs Ultra vs Strata. All the bindings seem to have good reviews and their sets of pros and cons.

          • Nate says

            November 15, 2022 at 6:32 pm

            Hi Ferdinand

            For the Mercury I would be leaning either Force or Strata, with the Ultra being doable, but a little on the soft side for the Mercury, IMO. Between the Force and Strata, the Force has a more smooth, even, consistent response with the Strata a more dynamic, springy response. The Strata has better board feel, so better for tricks, IMO.

46. adam says

    October 17, 2022 at 1:18 pm

    Hi Mate, just got rid of my beloved Forum Destroyer Double Dog 156 now looking to purchase a new All mountain board

    I am 5ft 10, 82kg 8.5 Boots

    I want a fun all mountain board that i can charge groomers, handle Ice, hit a few jumps, and get into the of piest/ powder and any opportunity but its not always guaranteed!! I get to the Alps probably two weeks a year

    I am currently thinking Capita Merc or Jones MT in 157 (ish). Read your reviews and others and still struggling

    Would probably pair with Step on Genesis and Photon

    Any advice is greatly appreciated

    Thanks

    Adam

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    • Nate says

      October 18, 2022 at 9:27 am

      Hi Adam

      Thanks for your message.

      Based on what you’re describing, I think the Jones MT and Mercury would be good bets. They’re not what I would call the top dogs when it comes to icy conditions, but they’re what I would call 4/5 icy conditions boards.

      I haven’t ridden the Forum Destroyer Double Dog, so can’t say from experience the differences, but based on the specs for it, the MT and Mercury will almost certainly be better for powder, carving and speed. It looks to be more of a freestyle/park board.

      That boot/binding combo would match well with either board, IMO.

      Size-wise, I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 159, but with 8.5 boots, I would be erring on sizing down a little – so 157 for the MT and Mercury would be a good bet. Less need to size down if it’s UK8.5 – but I’d still be looking at 157 for either of those boards for you – particularly given you’re coming from a 156. But if UK8.5 is the case, then the 159/160 do become possibilities, but I’d still be leaning 157.

      Hope this helps with your decision

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      • adam says

        October 19, 2022 at 4:59 am

        Thank you, really appreciate your help

        What abot the Mega and Ultra version of both? are they significantly more aggressive?

        I want something i wont progress out of quickly but don’t want something that’s excessively hard work to get it singing

        In your opinion which is the better Powder/ Ice Edge hold/ All round good fun

        Again thanks for your help, its amazing the platform you have created!!

        Adam

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        • adam says

          October 19, 2022 at 5:13 am

          Also i am probably closer to a UK 8 tbh

          Seem to UK 8.5 in street shoes but 8 maybe even 7.5 in boarding boots but have not bought my photons yet so cant say exactly

          Also whats your view on the DC Judge step on? not seen too many reviews on it

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          • Nate says

            October 19, 2022 at 11:25 am

            Hi Adam

            For the width of board (in terms of it being potentially a bit wide for you) it’s more feet than boots that really matter (as that’s ultimately when most of your leverage is coming from). When it’s the other way round and you’re boots are borderline too wide for a board, then it’s boots that come more into play. But if you’re feet are more UK8 or even 7.5, then I’d be even more so leaning to the 157s.

            I am yet to test the DC Judge Step On but based on the non-step on Judge, I think it would work well with that setup. I feel they are a 7/10 flex, which IMO would be a good match for the board setup and the way you describe your riding.

        • Nate says

          October 19, 2022 at 11:21 am

          Hi Adam

          They are both quite a bit more aggressive, particularly the Mega Merc, which is quite an aggressive board. It’s the kind of board that you do have to work quite hard with, in my experience. It’s fun when you put the work in, but doesn’t really let you ride casual or get too lazy. The Ultra Mountain Twin isn’t quite as aggressive and does let you get a little more lazy when you feel for it, but it’s still one that prefers to be ridden more aggressively. Also note that the regular Mercury is also a little more aggressive than the regular Mountain Twin, in my experience. I don’t think the regular versions are something that you’d progress out of too quickly. I mean if your style is going to be quite aggressive a majority of the time, then you might feel they’re not quite up to it speed-wise, but for all-round boards that you can ride at least moderately fast – and are also fun ridden slow, they are good bets. But do note that the Mountain Twin moreso than the Mercury, which isn’t quite as fun riding slow and a little better when you want to really bomb.

          For powder, they are hard to separate.

          For icy edge-hold, if I had to say, I’d go with the MT. But pretty close.

          For all round good fun, I’d be leaning mountain twin personally, mainly because I err a little more playful than aggressive for the most part.

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47. Kyle says

    August 30, 2022 at 9:56 am

    Hi Nate,

    Two years ago I’ve started my journey in Snowboarding and I love it so much, and it became my hobby and favorite sport. Now I’ve reached to mid-level with my efforts and want to improve my skills.

    For 2 years I was renting boots and snowboards from Ski resorts. Now I want my own equipment for this sport.

    I saw that you’ve helped a lot of people and that’s amazing support from your side.
    And I really hope that you will help me to choose boots and snowboard for All mountain, as I want to learn carving and enjoy freeriding in a powder.

    My physical stats:

    Height: 6’4”
    Weight: 176 lbs
    Shoesize: 10.5 (44 EU)

    Which boots/snowboard size and models will fit perfectly for my case?

    Thanks,
    Kyle

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    • Nate says

      August 30, 2022 at 10:27 am

      Hi Kyle

      Thanks for your message.

      Since it sounds like your main focus is on carving and powder, I think something directional makes the most sense. Because you are a mid-level rider, which I take to mean intermediate, I wouldn’t go too stiff, so something from the following list would be a good bet, IMO:

      >>Top 10 Surfy (mellow) Freeride Snowboards

      Some in there are more powder specialized and won’t give you as much for carving, so be sure to pay attention to the score breakdowns, to make sure the board is good enough in the factors that you’re looking for. I’d be leaning towards the Hybrid, Navigator, Skeleton Key, Hyper or Scout for you.

      Sizing would depend on which you went with but in general something in the range 159-161 would be a good bet, IMO. In terms of width, with 10.5s you’re on the cusp between regular width and wide, so it will depend on the board. If you can narrow it down to 2-3 boards, I would be happy to give my specific sizing opinion for each one.

      For boots, I would be looking at something around 6/10 to 7/10 flex. With the style you’re looking at I wouldn’t go too soft, but also as an intermediate rider I wouldn’t go too stiff. I think that range should work well for you. For some good options to look into check out:

      >>My Top All Mountain (medium to medium-stiff flex) Snowboard Boots

      Hope this helps

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48. Brian Levine says

    August 1, 2022 at 3:37 pm

    Yo Nate,

    I need your help. I am in the market for a new snowboard. My current board is from 2013 and I’m waaaay overdue. All the new snowboard tech is a bit overwhelming. Here’s my stats:
    I ride Taos Ski Valley, I’m 5’9″ 154Lbs. I do not ride in the park (no tricks) I prefer the steeps, technical trees, freeride, big fast carved turns,… I’m avid in the backcountry on my splitty. I’m used to riding something in the 160cm range, but I understand how tech has been improving and changing. I would consider myself an expert rider and have 28 years on snowboards, and a total of 42 years on the snow skiing/snowboarding.
    I would love some help in finding my new ride…..

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    • Nate says

      August 2, 2022 at 12:05 pm

      Hi Brian

      Thanks for your message.

      I think you could size down a little bit, you can ride boards a little shorter these days. That said, you don’t have to size down too much, given your riding style. I would put you on roughly a 156 as your “standard” length. Given you’re used to 160 and given your style, I think something around that 157 to 159 range would work well. But if you could also let me know your boot size, that would be helpful too.

      Given your style, I would probably be looking at something freeride. You could either look at something more mellow or more aggressive given your style, the more aggressive option is probably your best bet. The 2 lists below, I think would be your best bet.

      >>Top 10 Surfy (mellow) Freeride Snowboards

      >> My Top 10 Freeride Snowboards

      The only reason you may not want to go too stiff, is because of your weight. So something on the more precise side from that first list could work – like the Lib Tech BRD, Burton Skeleton Key or Burton Show Stopper (if you can find one – they’re not bringing back a 2023 model, unfortunately). Otherwise, lots of options on that second list that I think would be suitable. If you can narrow it down a bit further from there, happy to look at sizing for a few options to help narrow it down further.

      Hope this helps

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      • Brian Levine says

        August 6, 2022 at 4:23 pm

        Nate,

        Thanks for the reply, so helpful. I wear size 10 street shoes. I’ll look at your lists and see what fits my profile.

        Beers,

        Brian

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        • Nate says

          August 6, 2022 at 4:58 pm

          Hey Brian

          With your shoe size I’d stick with that 157-159 range. And you should be good with regular width for most boards in that length range (assuming you your snowboard boots are also 10 or 9.5)

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49. Luke says

    July 13, 2022 at 10:25 am

    Hi Nate,
    I am a level 5, low intermediate rider (210 lbs, 6’3″, size 13 boot).
    I hit mostly groomers, back bowls, and some trees here and there, but would like to start trying out some tricks like buttering and small jumps (I ride primarily in Colorado). I currently have the Custom Flying V, but find it unstable at speed. I’d like something that will allow me to progress without being too unforgiving.
    I’m really struggling between the following:
    *Jones Mountain Twin w/ Union Strata bindings
    *Yes Typo w/ Burton Genesis bindings

    My main concern with the MT is that it is a bit stiffer than the Typo, so I didn’t know if it would be a little to demanding/exhausting for a low end intermediate rider who still wants a somewhat playful and forgiving ride.
    I was originally considering the Yes Standard as well, but with a size 13 boot, I don’t think I would fit on that board since it doesn’t offer a dedicated wide version.

    Can you help me decide between the two setups above given my riding style and goals?
    Please feel free to add additional suggestions for boards/bindings.

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    • Nate says

      July 13, 2022 at 3:25 pm

      Hi Luke

      Thanks for your message.

      The Mountain Twin would give you a little more stability at speed than the Typo, but would be more difficult to learn tricks on, with the Typo being the more playful board (as you’ve mentioned). The MT isn’t overly stiff though and is something that you can still do tricks on, but if that’s a main focus then the Typo would be easier. The Typo doesn’t offer a huge amount more stability than the Custom Flying V. It’s a little softer flexing than the Custom Flying V, but it does provide a little better stability through the hybrid camber profile versus the Flying V profile.

      So I think it depends on which one you want to prioritize more, stability at speed or playfulness for tricks.

      Those binding combinations would work well, IMO.

      The Standard is wider than it looks. In fact, the 162 would is wider a the inserts than the Typo 163W. Even if you go to the 159 in the Standard it’s still wider than the 163W Typo. For reference below are the estimated width at inserts of a few sizes of each board:

      – Typo 159W: 270mm at inserts
      – Typo 163W: 272mm at inserts
      – Standard 159: 276mm
      – Standard 162: 281mm
      – Mountain Twin 159W: 273mm at front insert and 274mm at back insert
      – Mountain Twin 162W: 275mm at front insert and 276mm at back insert

      So you can see that the Standard is actually wider than the others at the inserts (due the mid-bite it has), even though it’s similar at the waist (in the 159. The 162 Standard is wider at the waist than any of the other options).

      For your specs, I’d recommend 163W for Typo, 162 for Standard and 162W for MT. However, you could get away with the 159 in the Standard, if you wanted to err short, which would also make it more playful. Could almost get away with the 159W in the Mountain Twin as well. It would be small for you, but doable. But depending on the size of the Custom Flying V you currently have, if you go too short it will also negate some of the stability at speed advantages, so that’s something to keep in mind. I wouldn’t go as small as 159W in the Typo.

      Hope this helps

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      • Luke says

        July 13, 2022 at 7:38 pm

        Thank you so much for the information and suggestions! Now that I see that the Standard would actually fit me, I’m starting to lean towards that over the Typo. Now I am down to the MT and Standard. Between the two, do you think one would work better for me than the other? The Standard having a slightly lower flex rating should allow for easier trick implementation while being a little more playful and forgiving, right? If it can still carve, remain pretty stable at speed, hit jumps, and float fine in powder, I don’t see a reason to decline that option (Standard) vs the MT. Let me know what you’d lean towards in my situation.
        Also, what binding would you pair with your choice?
        Finally, if I went with the 159 Standard instead of the 162, I’m assuming I would just be trading stability at speed for playfullness for tricks. Thanks again for letting me pick your brain!

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        • Nate says

          July 14, 2022 at 11:03 am

          Hi Luke

          Standard and MT are a really similar flex and really similar in terms of aggressiveness vs playfulness – both are that in between – they’re not ultra aggressive, but not super playful either. They’re right in the middle. You can get a little aggressive on them, but you can also get a little playful on them, when you want. Both are rated 7/10 flex by YES/Jones, but I felt both more at 6/10 flex.

          In terms of bindings, I would be looking at a binding that’s around that 6/10 to 7/10 flex. This should match your specs and the boards well. If you want to err more playful, then you could err more to 6/10. Given that you want to be doing tricks, I would make sure to get bindings with good board feel. On the lists below you can look at the score breakdowns to find those with the better board feel.

          >>Top 5 All-Mountain Bindings

          >>Top 5 All-Mountain Freeride Bindings

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          • Luke says

            July 14, 2022 at 6:59 pm

            I think either option I choose, I will go with the Union Strata bindings and Tactical ADV boots (size 13). For the board, my current length is 163W for the Custom Flying V, so I think I will go with the 162/162W option for the MT or Standard. They both seem so so similar and I am pulling my hair out trying to pick one. MT graphic is sick though!
            I’d be thankful if you just picked for me 🙂
            Thanks again for all of your insight. It is truly appreciated.

          • Nate says

            July 15, 2022 at 12:09 pm

            Hi Luke

            You’re very welcome. Honestly can’t go wrong with either. If I had to choose, I would go YES Standard, but really can’t make a bad choice. That boot/binding combo would go really well with either board, IMO.

          • Luke says

            July 15, 2022 at 1:45 pm

            Where did you get the width specs for these boards? I went to their respective websites and saw for a 162W MT, the waist width is 307mm and 268mm for the 162 Standard. This seems like a large difference. I couldn’t find any info/specs on the width at the inserts. I reached out to Yes customer service, and they said a 162 would be pushing it with a size 13 boot!

          • Nate says

            July 15, 2022 at 4:01 pm

            Hi Luke

            Yes the YES Standard’s waist width on the 162 is 268. I was stating the width at inserts, which is around 281mm. I actually have a specs sheet for 2023 YES boards which states it at 282mm at the inserts – a little wider than I have it at. Most brands don’t publish the width at inserts (although some are starting to), I get mine from measuring the boards myself, when I’m testing them.

            I can assure you the waist width of the 162W Mountain Twin is not 307mm. I’ve never seen a board with a a waist width that wide, like ever. The waist width on the 162W MT is 263mm. It is 307mm at the widest point of the tip and tail, which is where I think you got that figure from.

            282mm (which is what YES have measured the 162 Standard at the inserts as) is wider than a majority of wide boards. The only boards in the YES lineup with wider width (at inserts) than that are the 420 (front foot width of 304mm and a back foot width of 296mm), 20/20 (283mm at inserts) and 420 powderhull (284mm at inserts) – which are all quite specialized short wide boards. Some others are slightly wider at the front insert but not the back insert (which is usually the one that has the straighter binding angle, so is the one that’s most likely to cause boot drag).

            But yeah, I can guarantee you that the 162 Standard is wider than the 162W MT, so if you’re concerned about your board being too narrow, I’d be more concerned with the MT.

            If you’re really worried you could also look at some of Never Summer’s drag free sizes. Or more short/wide boards – but they tend to be more powder oriented and less suitable for tricks. But I don’t think you need to. I mean if you have a really flat back binding angle and really bulky boots, then you could have issues on the 162 Standard, but if not, I think you’ll be fine.

            I’m curious what YES customer service recommended, if they thought the 162 Standard would be too narrow?

          • Luke says

            July 18, 2022 at 7:41 am

            Hi Nate,

            Unfortunately YES didn’t make a recommendation. They just said it would be close. I do plan on using reduced footprint boots (thinking Tactical ADV size 13), so that should mitigate things a bit. I actually think I’m going to go with the 159 Standard to get a little more playfulness and mobility out of the board. Fingers crossed I don’t run into any toe drag or anything. I’m glad you had custom measurements for each board. That definitely gave me some peace of mind. The setup I have chosen is listed below.
            *Yes Standard 159
            *Union Strata Bindings (L)
            *Tactical ADV Boots (13)
            Cheers!

          • Nate says

            July 18, 2022 at 10:29 am

            Hey Luke

            Using low profile boots will certainly help. I think that’s a really good combo there. If you think of it at the time let me know how get on, once you’ve had a chance to get out on snow with your new setup.

          • Luke says

            July 18, 2022 at 8:03 am

            One last thing… when do you typically do your annual reviews on boards, bindings, boots, etc.? I may wait for 2022/2023 reviews, but I’m also aware that there will be limited availability with the manufacturing industry as a whole still being unable to keep up with demand (don’t want to get into a situation where things are out of stock!).

          • Nate says

            July 18, 2022 at 10:29 am

            I typically have all the snowboard stuff updated by mid to late September.

50. Bruce says

    May 4, 2022 at 11:38 pm

    Hi Nate,

    I messaged on the female boards for my wife. Was hoping to pick your brain for myself. I’m a surfer who started snowboarding with my wife when we started dating 8 years ago. I’ve been riding one of my brothers 2006 Palmer Prodigy 157 all this time. Not really knowing board differences I didn’t think much of it until I started researching. Realize I probably don’t have the best board for myself. He is also smaller than me, esp feet.

    I feel I’m higher intermediate. As I said in the other post, we stay in trees if it’s not all ice. We fly down anything groomed. Jumps are pretty much just obstacles that turn into ramps. I’m a surfer though so I have a “unique” look to how I snowboard as my wife says. Best way I could describe it, I crank carves like I’m going to go vertical on the wave or about to do a snap/cutback. I have noticed hitting my toes sometimes, never thought anything of it. I am 6’1″ 200-220 lbs (depends on how much junk is eaten at work haha) have 11.5 thirty two tm 2 boots that I just got. Use union force bindings.

    Anyways, I have been going over all your reviews best I can. Have picked out a few that might be up my alley. Wanted to see on sizes as well. Really just looking for one board to cover everything best as I can. Was thinking the Rossi One might be a good balance. Also the Yes Hybrid caught my eye as something that might go with my surfing background ( there is an UnInc model, not sure all the differences). The Capita Mercury and Yes Standard might work as well. I’m open to other suggestions to check out.

    I never minded the 157 length too much but would definitely have to go wider. Was able to get through the powder ok on my current board and have a blast. The one board is all I know though. I’m thinking I would have to go up a size 159-161 or so. But with trees we do, probably would want to go on the shorter side of the spectrum for my weight?

    Thanks for taking to time and answering my questions. Appreciate it.

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    • Nate says

      May 5, 2022 at 3:59 pm

      Hi Bruce

      Firstly, in terms of size, I’d say that you’re “standard all-mountain” length is around 162/163, but as you like to be in the trees a lot and haven’t felt any issues with a 157, you could certainly look at more around 159/160. Particularly if you’re going wide (which you should, IMO), I would err shorter, given your tree preference.

      For the Rossi One and Hybrid, size-wise, it’s between the 157/157W and 161/161W, respectively as they don’t have a wide size in between those sizes. The 161/161W would certainly work, but I think you’d get away with the 157/157W, given that you’ve been riding a narrower 157 and it’s felt fine to you. If you wanted to keep things nice and maneuverable for the trees, then the smaller size is appealing. The bigger sizes would give you better float in powder and more stability at speed, so there’s a tradeoff. For the Standard the 159 should work really well size-wise, IMO. For the Mercury, it’s between the 158W and 160W – again depending on whether you wanted to err for more speed/float or more maneuverability. My experience with these boards, the One and the Standard have been the more maneuverable boards compared to the Hybrid and then the Mercury. But note that that’s based on the 156 Standard, 159 Rossi One, the 157 Hybrid and the 157 Mercury – not wide versions (apart from the Hybrid of course).

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      • Bruce says

        May 7, 2022 at 1:42 pm

        Thanks for the information really appreciate it. Definitely have to think about the 2 sizes. If trees are a no go and have to do groomed, the longer will probably work best.

        Hybrid I feel would be the gamble, but could be the most fun if it works. The Standard and One will probably be safe bets. Decisions decisions haha.

        I’ll keep an eye on your site for hel yes links for next season boards. Would like to support the site. I’ve learned alot from it.

        Thanks again!

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        • Nate says

          May 9, 2022 at 4:57 pm

          You’re very welcome Bruce. And much appreciated re using our links.

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51. Aditya says

    March 23, 2022 at 11:22 am

    Hi Nate

    Great Reviews and knowing what gear to choose helps my confidence and riding a lot. I wanted some gear advice.

    My background: Based on your skill level chart, I am a 5 (intermediate). Have 15+ days of riding under my belt and am able to go fast on blues and attempt groomed blacks. Still trying to learn bumps on blacks.

    Weight & Height: 143 lbs, 5’5”

    My style & Goals: Eventually, I would like to freeride more but occasionally would like to show off some tricks to friends. But I think based on your comments, a stiff free-ride style board might not be ideal for me at this stage. I could always buy a freeride board later on when I reach skill level 6-7. So I am looking for all mountain or all mountain-freestyle board with a flex not more than 6/10. Next year, I plan to learn a few tricks like switches, jumps etc. I also enjoy speed a lot and hit top speed of 43 mph this year. Would like to improve that next year. Would also like to navigate bump/moguls on blacks with ease and finally would like to learn how to carve on blues. I can carve on greens but skid sometimes on blues especially when I am going fast.

    Boards I have demoed: I have demoed Burton Process Flying V and Burton Custom Flying V and I was comfortable on both boards. I think i enjoyed both a lot and I was able to handle stiffness of Custom Flying V well. In terms of size, I tried Process 155 and was really comfortable with it on high speeds but struggled a bit with bumps where I had to do sharp turns. With Custom, I tried 150 and 154, I felt it was difficult to build speed on 150 and the board would start turning rather than straightlining. 154 was great to go fast but I didn’t try bumps with it so not sure how well it would do.

    Gear I have : I have Burton Ruler BOA boots (US Size 7).

    I would like to buy a board and binding that would serve me for 3-4 seasons atleast without outgrowing it.

    Q1. Could you help me rank these boards for me:
    * Burton Process Flying V
    * Burton Custom Flying V
    * Yes Typo
    * Yes Standard
    * Jones Mountain Twin
    * Neversummer Protosynthesis
    * Neversummer Snowtrooper
    * GNU Rider’s Choice
    * Libtech Terrain Wrecker

    Q2. I have also not demoed any camber boards. Do you think at this stage I should try softer camber boards before buying my first board. If yes, for Level 5 intermediate, which camber boards would you recommend ?

    Q3. How useful is magnetraction ? Which boards would you recommend I try to get a feel for that ?

    Q4. I am a little biased towards burton since I get 20% discount, could you help me find boards in burton other than process and custom that would suit my skills and style.

    Q5. For bindings, could you help me decide between these 3 ?
    * Burton Cartel
    * Burton Cartel X
    * Burton Genesis
    Based on your advice, I think if i get a burton board, i will get EST otherwise will get Re:FLEX.

    Basically, you could say that with so much out there I am very confused, If you could narrow down the options to 3 options for me for board and bindings, I would just accept your word and stop researching and get something that I can ride. I think I have spent far too much on rentals and would like to get a board now specially since I already got a Ikon Pass next year 😀

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    • Nate says

      March 24, 2022 at 3:57 pm

      Hi Aditya

      Thanks for your message.

      Size-wise, I would say something around 149-151 for your specs is a good way to go. Given that you found the 150 Custom Flying V not to your liking at speed, it might be that it’s a little looser than what would suit you best. Not surprised you found the 155 more difficult for sharp turns – IMO it’s in the too big category for your specs.

      Q1

      * Burton Process Flying V – may be too loose for what you’re after
      * Burton Custom Flying V – may also be too loose for what you’re after
      * Yes Typo – would be a great option for everything you’re describing, IMO
      * Yes Standard – potentially a little on the advanced side, but I think it would work and I think you’d get away with it
      * Jones Mountain Twin – would work well for what you’re describing, IMO
      * Neversummer Protosynthesis – potentially a little advanced, but doable
      * Neversummer Snowtrooper – on the softer and looser side, but would certainly be an option and not as loose as the Flying V profile, IMO – just might not be ideal, given that you like speed
      * GNU Rider’s Choice – on the looser side as well, but still not as loose as Flying V – but again, given how you mention speed, it might be a little off for what you want
      * Libtech Terrain Wrecker – ditto Rider’s Choice

      My instinct for you, would put them in this order:

      * Yes Typo
      * Jones Mountain Twin
      * Yes Standard
      * Neversummer Protosynthesis
      * GNU Rider’s Choice
      * Libtech Terrain Wrecker
      * Burton Custom Flying V
      * Burton Process Flying V
      * Neversummer Snowtrooper

      Q2

      You could to get a feel for it and see if you like it. On what I think would be a suitable size for you, something like the Arbor Westmark Camber or Burton Kilroy Twin could work, but I suspect they wouldn’t have the speed that you’re after.

      Q3

      Magnetraction is pretty useful if you’re in icy conditions. But it’s not the only edge tech going around. In my experience YES’ underbite and mid-bite are very good in icy conditions and other brands have good edge tech as well. Note also that camber (all else being equal) helps with edge hold more so than rocker. So camber dominant boards do tend to be better in icy conditions, all else being equal. But edge tech, like magnetraction, certainly makes a difference. Trying the Rider’s Choice or Terrain Wrecker would give you a good feel for how magnetraction feels.

      Q4

      You could look into the Skeleton Key – it’s a softer flexing, mostly camber board. It’s camber back to the tail with some rocker before the contact point at the nose. It’s probably more solid intermediate, but you might find it works for you. I would go with the 150.

      Q5

      I think the Cartel or Genesis for most of those board options. The Cartel X is stiffer. You could put the Cartel X on some of those options – like anything 6/10 flex – but I wouldn’t put it on anything much softer than that – and not as suitable for your level. The Genesis and Cartel would go well on pretty much all of those options, IMO.

      Hope this helps

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      • Aditya Siddhant says

        April 1, 2022 at 6:18 pm

        Thanks a lot for your feedback Nate. Based on your comments and some additional research I did, I think Jones Mountain Twin / Typo would be the way to go. Now, both of them are not available. But Twin Sister is available. Considering that I am short, lightweight and have boot size US 7, would you recommend, I just go for twin sister 149 or 152 ? Based on the width sizing recommended on this blog, I think 149 would be more suitable but 152 would probably give me a little bit more ability to use it in powder and perhaps a bit more stable at speed.

        So my first setup would be this:

        Burton US Men’s 7 Boot
        Jones Twin Sister 149 or 152 (please help me decide)
        Burton Genesis S bindings

        Everything on this list is medium / medium-soft flex. Let me know if this looks good and something that I should go ahead with. I searched for differences between men’s and women’s boards and it seems like it mainly just boils down to width and I think going for the women’s board is actually advantageous for me because by boot size is on the smaller side.

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        • Nate says

          April 4, 2022 at 6:07 pm

          Hi Aditya

          Apologies for the slower than usual response – have quite a back log I’m working through right now.

          I think the Twin Sister would be a good option. Both sizes would work. I think 149 is probably the better size for you for for right now and fits your boot size better, but 152 is doable, and would give you more stability at speed and better float in powder, as you say. And it should be easier for tighter turns than something like the Process 155, being shorter and narrower than that. And given that you had trouble with stability on the 150 Custom, I would be leaning 152 in this case. But 149 certainly still suitable.

          Overall setup looks good to me.

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52. Cory Watson says

    March 21, 2022 at 6:01 pm

    Hey awesome article. Your responses are great.

    Male, 6.2, 230

    Been riding 2012 burton joystick 159W since 2012 haha.

    I’d love a board great for all mountain with less designed for park & butters and more for low chatter w speed on groomers and powdery tree runs. What would you recommend for size wise and board?

    I thought I’d ask before getting the never summer proto sythesis 162DX

    Thanks

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    • Nate says

      March 22, 2022 at 2:30 pm

      Hi Cory

      Thanks for your message.

      If you could also let me know your boot size, that would be awesome. Also really important for sizing.

      The Proto Synthesis would suit a lot of what you’re describing, but not that great in powder. And also might be that you can go with something more directional, if you’re not planning on doing much in terms of freestyle with the board. Be happy to look at some options if you can let me know your boot size – and also whether or not you still want something twin (as in if you still want to do some freestyle/switch riding) or open to going more directional.

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53. Brian says

    March 15, 2022 at 11:01 am

    Hi Nate,

    I am an advanced rider who loves to do double black moguls/backcountry/woods/bowls at mountains all across the West, and I like to go reasonably fast down them. I can enjoy the occasional groomer but pretty much never go into the park or butter. Also, I live in an area with no snow, so I have to fly and book my trips well in advance and be able to handle whatever conditions are out there with a single board.

    My length should be in the 154cm to 156cm range. I previously had a 156cm 2015 Burton Custom, which I think is on the more aggressive end of boards suitable for this type of riding. It definitely took a bit of getting used to but I ended up really liking the power and stability until the foot channel broke recently, so I am now looking for a new board. I was able to turn on it pretty well on it as long as I kept my knees bent low.

    I was thinking of getting the 155cm Capita Mercury board as it seems similar to the Custom and is better reviewed, plus I would avoid potentially having the channel break again. What are your thoughts? Do you think there is a better board out there for me, something that is as fast/good at carving but maybe slightly less stiff?

    PS I am also tempted by the Slash ATV board, but fear that it would just be too stiff to handle moguls and really tight tree runs well. Do you agree?

    Thanks so much and keep up the good work,
    Brian

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    • Nate says

      March 16, 2022 at 5:36 pm

      Hi Brian

      Thanks for your message.

      The Mercury could work – and it’s going to perform better in powder versus the Custom, IMO. It is similar-ish, but with enough differences. My only hesitation with the Mercury for you is how you want something good for tight tree runs and moguls as well. The Mercury isn’t bad when doing those, but it’s also not amazing.

      I would look into the Nitro Team. It’s very similar to the Custom, but just a touch softer (6/10 flex by my feel, versus 6.5/10 on the Custom). That’s what I would consider the closest board to the Custom. If you wanted something similar, but without the channel, that would be what I’d go to. You could also look at the YES Standard (or the YES Standard UNINC, if you can wait for 23 models – it’s a full camber version of the Standard) – depending on boot size, sizing down to 153 might be the way to go on that one.

      Hope this helps

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54. Angus says

    February 21, 2022 at 2:28 am

    Hi Nate, thanks for the great article this has been really useful in honing down on what to look for in my next board. I’m a fairly advanced rider mostly spending time in Europe (so pretty mixed conditions), am 6ft 3 inch and weigh around 80kg. To give some background, I’m currently riding a 158 Nitro Suprateam, which is pretty stiff and real fast. I’m looking for something a little more forgiving that screams fun, something easier to jib/butter on but that can also hold some pace and have fun on in powder. Maybe even looking at going down to a 156. Top of my list atm are there yes standard and lib tech terrain wrecker, I’m keen for your thoughts though.

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    • Nate says

      February 22, 2022 at 11:30 am

      Hi Angus

      Thanks for your message.

      I think the Standard or TW could work as a compliment to your Suprateam. I haven’t ridden the Suprateam, but based on other Nitro boards and it’s specs. If you wanted to really focus on jibbing, buttering etc, then there’s definitely softer boards for it, but since you want to keep some speed and powder performance, I think these would work. The TW is the more playful for the 2, if you wanted to give yourself a bigger difference between your boards, but the Standard would still work. For the Standard it might be the case that the 156 is the best size for you. For the TW, the 157 might work well, given that your looking for a more playful ride out of this board. But if you could let me know your boot size as well, that would help to better predict the best size.

      Hope this helps

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55. Tom H. says

    February 7, 2022 at 12:38 pm

    Nate – Thanks for this awesome website that you run and all the reviews that are clear and easy to understand. It has been invaluable in helping narrow down the options. I am looking to upgrade my current set up which belongs in a museum now. No joke, we are talking late 1990’s gen 1 K2 clicker system on a Nitro Storm 162 with traditional camber (that’s all we had back then….and we liked it!). As old as it is, it rides well but the boots and bindings need to go so I might as well look at a board too while I am at it.

    I am in the market for an all-mountain board that is well suited for the east coast (New England) resorts where the conditions can be variable. Ideally, the board is stable when running groomers at a good clip early in the day, is forgiving enough to handle the conditions as they deteriorate throughout the day, where it be chop or ice, and is fun to tool around on when cruising slower when I am riding with my kids. Manmade snow degrades to ice here and a board that can perform in that is a factor, although not the most important factor. I never hit the parks nor do I aspire so it’s not a concern nor am I in the backcountry seeking powder. 99% in bounds on manicured trails.

    I would say that I am a solid intermediate, level 6 using your ratings. I am 6’1″/165lbs and will be using a size 10 Burton Photon Step-On boots with the new board. Because I do like to ride the runs a little faster, I was leaning towards the 160 range. I am not bombing top to bottom at 50mph mind you, more like 25mph or so. After running a 162 for more than 20 years though, much shorter may feel a little too short. I tend to feel that is the right length but maybe I can afford to drop down as far to a 158 with the right board. The boards I am narrowing it down to are:

    Jones Mountain Twin – 160
    Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker – 160
    Rossi One LF – 159? (the 161W might be too wide)
    Ride Smokescreen – 162, although the 158 is a consideration. I don’t think you have reviewed this one but my local shop recommended this board as a versatile board that is fun to ride. You may not be able to comment on this one though.

    Any insight would be extremely appreciated!

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    • Nate says

      February 8, 2022 at 11:50 am

      Hi Tom

      Thanks for your message.

      Size-wise, I think around that 159/160 could definitely work. IMO you could ride in that 157-160 range with your specs, for how you’re describing your riding, but given that you’ve ridden a 162 for as long as you have, I’d be leaning the higher end of that range.

      Of the options you’ve mentioned I would be leaning Mountain Twin 160 and One 159 (I think the 161W would be too wide). They’re a little better at speed than the Terrain Wrecker – which is a little softer and a little bit on the looser side. That said, it can handle 25mph just fine. But for what you’re describing, especially given no park/freestyle and you’ve been riding a traditional camber for so long, I think the MT and One would be more suitable.

      You’re correct I haven’t ridden the Smokescreen so I can’t say much there, unfortunately.

      Hope this helps

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    • Jon says

      March 2, 2022 at 7:06 pm

      Hey so I own both the Rossi One and the Jones Mountain Twin, extremely similar boards, same caber profile, but just enough differences. The Jones board is faster, stiffer, it’s great going trough variable snow conditions, I typically take it out on pow days (I live in NH), and packed powder, also when I go out west. The Rossi is a softer flex, I think it’s much more forgiving. I ride it most of the season especially on icy days/frozen granular it has the best edge hold better than LibTech. If you live on the NE you will not regret getting the Rossi One.

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      • Nate says

        March 4, 2022 at 12:48 pm

        Hi Jon

        Thanks for sharing. Super helpful.

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56. Tony B says

    February 4, 2022 at 8:38 pm

    Hey Nate,

    Thanks for doing an awesome job on the website. It’s been a go-to for me doing all kinds of comparrisons on my next setup. It’s crazy that you can see a long line of comments and pretty immediate replies as recent as just a few days man, keep up the great work, the riding community appreciates it!

    Like most that come here I could use a little guidance on my next board.

    A bit about me as a rider, I am just getting back into boarding after about 12 years. I would say I’m probably an early to mid intermediate rider – I am comfortable hitting most blues @ Kestyone, Breck..etc and haven’t worked my way up to steeper longer runs of blues or blacks yet. I’m 32 y.o. , 5’8″ and weigh about 250 lbs with a size 9 boot, ex-football player build walking around on tree trunks basically. As far as the terrain I usually hit – its mostly groomers with a desire to start hitting trees at the resorts as my skills progress, practically no desire to hit the parks maybe some rollers and side hits and that’s the extent of my “freestyle” riding.

    I have been looking at several boards that I’ll list in a bit, but wouldn’t mind you confirming some of my thoughts on my board choice criteria. I don’t have a ton of experience riding different boards, bought a used board 20 years ago and rode it for about 8 years a couple days a year. Unfortunately I live in the midwest so demoing boards really isn’t an option – the only place within 2 hours of here to board has a whopping 5 runs.

    Because of my weight I am looking in the 158 – 162 cm range. For hitting trees I like the notion of a bit of a smaller board (158 – 159) and I figured because of my size if I go shorter I basically have 2 options – go with a stiffer board or go with a wider board. Not a big fan of going wider just because of my smaller boot and transitioning from heel-to-toe but could be convinced otherwise. I am thinking I could go with a flex of 7-8 to counteract my weight @ 158 – 159cm. If I go longer 160 – 162 I would probably go with a 5-7 flex. Does that sound reasonable?

    The other thing that has been hanging me up a bit is choosing a board profile. Because of the type of riding I want to do and not really wanting to trade up later I have been looking at a couple pure camber boards (Burton Custom and Custom X (if I go shorter) and a ton of hybrid camber boards staying away from hybrid rockers mostly because of my size and the type riding I want to do. My only concern with all the camber and hybrid camber profiles in these boards with me being at the early-mid intermediate “edge-catching” stage. Because of this – I have been toying with the Burton Flying V (or similar) if I go the “safe” route but don’t want the board washing out from under me either.

    Here is the list of boards I’m looking at, you mind providing feedback on my assumptions and board choices? I opted to stay away from some other common board like the Jones Mountain Twin and some Arbor boards because their weight charts have me @ a 163+cm minimum which leads me to believe the board materials aren’t quote as robust as some of these others.

    Burton Custom – 162cm (256 mm waist)
    Burton Custom X – 158cm (254 mm waist)
    Capita Mercury – 159 cm (259 mm waist)
    Lib Tech Coldbrew – 158W or 161cm (268 mm waist) / (265 mm waist)
    Lib Tech T. Rice Pro – 159cm (259 mm waist)
    Never Summer Protosynthesis – 158 or 161 cm (255 mm waist) / (256 mm waist)

    Thanks for all the help Nate!

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    • Nate says

      February 6, 2022 at 2:48 pm

      Hey Tony

      Thanks for your message.

      Firstly, in terms of size. I think your reasoning sounds reasonable. In terms of going a bit stiffer if you go shorter. And yeah, I think those size ranges will work given your looking to ride trees and given your level. I would go a little stiffer before I went a little wider.

      I think some Hybrid Rockers could still work for sure, depending on how much camber and how much rocker. Some Hybrid rockers are more camber than rocker and can feel quite stable. E.g. something like the Protosynthesis – it’s Hybrid rocker, but it’s more camber than rocker dominant. As far as full camber goes – it might be alright. Some lower intermediate riders are OK with it. For others it can feel catchy, so it can hit or miss. In terms of the Custom X, I feel like it’s probably too stiff, especially when taking into account the full camber as well. Even if you size to the likes of the 158.

      The Cold Brew and T Rice Pro are hybrid rockers that are, I wouldn’t say rocker dominant, but more rocker than something like the Proto Synthesis. Also as far as the T Rice Pro goes, it’s not something I liked in trees – felt quite slow in terms of transitioning between edges.

      As far as the weight recommendations go – I wouldn’t say it’s reflective of the robustness of the materials. Brands set those recommendations – and as far as I can see it’s more about their opinion on what sizing is best depending on weight and also I’d say it’s also partly about marketing. In any case, I wouldn’t worry too much about it in terms of robustness – e.g. Jones isn’t a brand that is known for breaking, cracking etc more than any other. They’re weight recommendations are always pushing going longer in board size compared to a lot of other brands, but it’s more about their views on riding your board longer, than the materials used. Well that’s my take on it anyway. Some brands – like Never Summer – don’t even publish weight range recommendations.

      But yeah, I think the Mercury could work as well as the Proto Synthesis (I’d be leaning 161) and the Custom, if you think you’ll be alright with the full camber. Definitely other options, but given you’ve already narrowed down to those. IMO, I would say that the Custom and Protosynthesis are a little better at slower speeds versus the Merucry – so a little easier for slower more technical runs in trees etc.

      Hope this helps

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57. David says

    February 1, 2022 at 7:27 am

    Hi Nate! I already wrote you on instagram but I’m not sure if you got the message? So I try it again on your website. 🙂
    I need some help… Yesterday was such a bad day on the groomers. In the morning there was a little bit of soft snow but beneath that it was literally just ice. And after an hour or so all the soft snow was pushed into a lot of small bumps and moguls. And between them there was ice. Ice – snow bumps – ice – snow bumps. All the time. With my Capita Asymulator, fresh sharpend edges, I had no chance. I really had to dig hard into the edges/lay the board on a high angle to get some grip on the ice but as soon as I got some there was the next snow bump in front of me and I lost the grip again. I also wasn’t able to move around those bumps because as soon as I tried to manipulate the sidecut and the direction the board is moving, I lost the grip and sliped away. So it was “black or white”, hard carving or slipping, no “grey tones”. But even when following the sidecut, the next snow bump wasn’t far away.
    So I’m looking for a board with a very good edge hold on ice, that can either blast through those bumps without losing grip or is able to do these small slalom things. It would be nice if this board is able to do more than those black-white stuff on ice. Is something like that (grip on ice with a low angle) even possible? And if so, what do you think would be a good option? For these kind of board I neither need good switch ability nor want to butter it.

    I was thinking about the GNU Gremlin but I really hate the blue graphic… The green one of the last years model was okay (I have a green jacket and a brown pant) but the blue one … If this would be the best of the best options for me in terms of the board itself, maybe I can life with it… But maybe there are other options. 🙂

    I’m also thinking about sellig the Asymulator and build a 3 board quiver. The Salomon Dancehaul as my main groomer board for those good days, nice grip, some pow, because the Asym is too stiff for me buttering it and it’s really hard even on gentle pow. The Yes Dicey or the NS Proto Slinger as a soft beginner park board (because I would say I’m quit good at carving, but I suck in the park…). And the 3th one for those shitty days, that will give some fun and not let me want to go home after a few runs. What do you think about this?

    Thank you very much for your time!

    My specs: 172cm, 72kg, US8/8.5

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    • Nate says

      February 2, 2022 at 3:53 pm

      Hi David

      Thanks for your message – I typically answer faster here than on social media. I will get to social media messages, but this is the fastest way to get a response at the moment.

      I think the idea of a 3 board quiver like that is a good idea – so you’ve always got a suitable board regardless of conditions.

      In terms of your icy board, the Gremlin would certainly work for what you’re describing, but there are other options too, if you can’t get past the graphic. Something like the Rossi One or YES Standard from this list could work in the right size, but since you’re not worried about it performing well for switch or butters or anything, then you could look at something like the Lib Tech BRD or YES Hybrid, which I think would work well for what you’re describing.

      Size-wise, for those mentioned, I would be looking at, for you:

      – BRD: 153 – you could go 156 as well, but for what you’re describing, I would be erring shorter – and I think 153 is overall a better match for your overall specs, particularly when taking into account how you describe wanting to use this board
      – One: 153 – same as above, you could do 156 as well, but in this case, I’d be leaning more to the 153
      – Standard: 151 – this board is wider, so sizing down a little more than for something like the BRD is a good idea, IMO.
      – Hybrid: 153 – might be on the big side still even in the 153, given how wide it is, but it’s the smallest size.

      Hope this helps

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58. Jeronimo Diaz says

    February 1, 2022 at 12:51 am

    Hi Nate,

    Congrats for your reviews! It is really helpful.
    I was wondering if you could give me some advise. I just turned 49 and somehow realized that most people I go down the slopes with are skiers. My friends seem to leave aside the snowboard as they approach the half-century age. I have no interest in following that path whatsoever but having a board that helps me following these folks skiing down the groomers would be quite handy.
    Therefore I seek speed and stability. Obviously, safety is welcome given that, especially at my age, any fall at high speed could be the last one.
    I am 49 yrs, 5’7″ (170 cm), 154 lbs (70Kg), boot 10US.
    I had the chance to try the Bataleon Jam 156, and after a few minutes getting used to it, it showed to be fast and stable.
    I was also thinking about the Burton Custom X.
    Any other ideas?

    Thanks a lot!

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    • Nate says

      February 1, 2022 at 1:26 pm

      Hi Jeronimo

      Thanks for your message.

      The Custom X would certainly give you speed and stability. They are traits that definitely describe the Custom X. Just to be aware that the Custom X is likely more aggressive than the Jam (I haven’t ridden the Jam so can’t say for sure but based on specs) – the Custom X is stiffer (assuming the flex rating on the Jam is fairly accurate) and whilst the Jam technically has traditional camber, like the Custom X, with that 3BT, it really takes the edge off (from experience with another Bataleon board) – so you’d be more likely to find the Custom X catchy. Not necessarily, if you’re accustomed to stiff and full camber, but just so you’re aware, the two boards (on paper) aren’t really like for like. The Custom X is one of the more aggressive boards going around, IMO.

      Given that you liked the feel and felt that it was fast and stable, the Jam sounds like a good option to me. And 156 is spot on size-wise, IMO, for it. Around 156/157 would be a good way to go size-wise, IMO, for your specs and how you want to ride.

      Hope this helps

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      • Jeronimo says

        February 1, 2022 at 2:28 pm

        Thank you very much for your prompt and helpful reply.
        I will go for the Jam then, I am sure it works nicely for my needs. The Custom might work too, but being very aggressive I think I’ll go for the safe bet here.

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        • Nate says

          February 2, 2022 at 4:17 pm

          You’re very welcome Jeronimo. I agree I think it’s the safe bet. If you think of it at the time let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow. Happy riding!

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59. Jared Cutting says

    January 26, 2022 at 8:31 am

    Hi Nate,

    Great site…thanks for all the info and reviews. The more research I do, the more confused I seem to get, so here it goes. I am 43, 5’10.5″, 165lbs, size 10.5 boot. Looking to do a complete board, boots and bindings upgrade. Have been riding for about 20 years approximately 4-6 days per season (live in Texas) so has taken me that long to get to a solid Intermediate 5 moving slowly into a 6…would love to get to a 7! I do not do any jumps or park riding. Mostly resort groomers. Been watching a lot of Ryan Knapton videos lately and trying to practice/improve my carving. I have two young daughters aged 7 and 9 who are picking up the sport quickly and I mainly will be riding and keeping up with them as they progress.

    I have been on the same equipment for this entire time. I purchased a used K2 board from my college’s rental facility when they were doing an equipment upgrade about 17 years ago. I do not know what model it is (cannot find it on board or anything that looks like it online) but it is at least 18 years old. Has a camber profile. 155. I put Burton Mission bindings on it and wear Burton Moto boots (10.5). Bindings are about shot and laces going out in the boots so it’s time to replace everything.

    For some reason I have always wanted an Arbor board, I think mainly because I just love the look of a wood grained board (kinda lame I know). Had really been looking at the Shiloh Camber but a little disappointed to read it is not the best in powder. That isn’t a deal breaker as I don’t ride a ton of powder. (Do they have another model that fits my abilities and handles well in powder?) My most frequented spot is Wolf Creek in southern CO. They do get a lot of powder there but it’s rarely deeper than a foot or so and most of the time fairly groomed. I see you recommending the Jones Mountain Twin pretty frequently so have been looking at that…and assuming that the Jones wood grained flagship would be far too advanced for me?

    So again, mostly carving down groomers, occasional trees and shallow powder, keeping up with youngsters. May try to learn a little buttering or riding switch but that will be the extent of any of my freestyle riding. Looking to see what you would recommend to someone like me, board boots binding combo. Not looking for budget items…I am willing to spend what I need to spend to get me into the right setup as this next purchase will probably be with me for the next 10+ years! Have you reviewed the Burton step in bindings?

    Jared

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    • Nate says

      January 27, 2022 at 3:58 pm

      Hi Jared

      Thanks for your message.

      Yeah the only real downside of going Shiloh Camber for what you’re describing is the powder. It is fine in shallow powder though, so if it’s never too deep, then it should be fine. Kind of the downside of only have either rocker or camber boards (and no hybrids), is that you have to go either rocker or camber. The Shiloh Rocker a good bit better for powder, but if you’re looking to improve your carving in the Ryan Knapton mold, then you’d want to go camber rather than rocker for an Arbor board for sure. Because of the uprise fenders and the way Arbor does their camber, the Shiloh camber isn’t bad as a typical directional twin, full camber board is in powder, so that at least helps a little.

      To get a little more powder performance, you could look at something like the Arbor Crosscut Camber. It’s the same camber, but it’s more directional. You’d sacrifice a little in terms of butters and switch, but would gain in powder versus the Shiloh. It is a little stiffer though – so not quite as suitable for that level 5 level though, IMO.

      The Mountain Twin I think would work well for your situation, IMO. The Flagship, unfortunately, I think would be a little too advanced for right now.

      Size-wise, I would go 156 for the Shiloh camber and 157 for the Mountain Twin. With 10.5s, you’re on the cuff for some boards in terms of width, but both these boards are wide enough for 10.5s in those sizes, IMO, so no worries there.

      In terms of bindings and boots to match, I would look for something with a 6/10 flex. For both boards something in the 6/10 to 7/10 range is ideal, but I would be leaning 6/10 because it’s a better match to your level as well. For some options to consider, check out:

      >>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings

      >>My Top All Mountain (medium to medium-stiff flex) Snowboard Boots

      Hope this helps

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      • Jared says

        January 27, 2022 at 6:52 pm

        Thanks so much Nate! I had been looking at the Union Strata bindings and after your reply think I will go that route. If I were to pair those with the Adidas Tactical ADV boots in 10.5, would you go medium or large on the Strata’s? I will be getting either the Shiloh Camber or Jones MT, FYI.

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        • Nate says

          January 28, 2022 at 4:22 pm

          Hi Jared

          With Tactical ADV 10.5s, I would be leaning Medium for Union bindings, but you could go Large as well, in terms of boot fit. But with the Strata having quite a long base plate, I’d be leaning medium, in case they’re a little big for the board in the Large.

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          • Jared says

            March 18, 2022 at 2:49 pm

            Hey Nate. Just wanted to report back that I got the Shiloh Camber, Union Strata’s and Adidas Tactical ADV’s. Took them up to Wolf Creek a couple of weeks ago and man what a great setup. Board is a lot more stable at higher speeds than my old one, carves great too! Thanks for the recommendations, spot on. Was a little concerned with the stiffness of the Adidas out of the box, but they took about an hour to break in and are super comfortable. Thanks again…will be recommending your site to anyone I know looking for new gear!

          • Nate says

            March 19, 2022 at 12:25 pm

            You’re very welcome Jared. And thanks for the update – always good to hear back. Thanks for using the site and the recommendations. Much appreciated. Happy riding!

60. Jordan H says

    January 25, 2022 at 5:34 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Just wanted to say thank you so much for what you do in the snowboarding community. I was hoping to get your opinion on some gear, as I’ve always been using rentals/borrowing gear, and now I’m looking to get my own. I’ve been snowboarding for around 5 seasons now, a few days every season, and would say I’m about level 7 using your skill levels (based on my ability in the parks). I have a budget of around 1200-1500, but I’m not sure if that’s a good amount, as I have never purchased equipment for myself before.

    Specs:
    Sex: Male
    Height: 5’8
    Weight: 155 lb
    Level: 7
    Barefoot Measurement – 269mm

    I’m looking for a board, boots, and bindings that can handle most resort terrain and cruising, as well as a board that can do well in the parks (mostly medium and large jumps). From my research, an all-mountain board is what I’m looking for, and the Yes Standard looked good, but then again I really don’t know enough about sizing to make a decision on the board length and width. What would your recommendations be?

    Again, thank you so much for your help, and if there’s anything else I can provide let me know.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      January 27, 2022 at 3:28 pm

      Hi Jordan

      Thanks for your message.

      For what you’re describing, I think an all-mountain board is the way to go. Unless you weren’t really going to be riding powder – or the only powder you were likely to see wasn’t that deep – in which case you could certainly look at an all-mountain-freestyle board like these ones.

      But assuming you want something that’s still going to be decent in powder, something like the Standard would work well – as well as others from this list.

      Size-wise for the Standard, I’d say go 153. I’d say your “standard all-mountain” length is around 155. But I would err smaller than bigger in the case of the Standard with your foot size as it’s a little wider than the average regular width board. But the 153 isn’t super wide or anything, so I don’t think you’d need to go shorter than that.

      For bindings to match the Standard, I would look at something around 6/10 to 7/10 in terms of flex. Anything from one of the following, in that flex range, would be a good bet, IMO:

      >>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings

      >>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings

      For boots, again, something in that 6/10 to 7/10 flex range would be a good bet, IMO, to match the Standard and how you describe your riding.

      >>My Top All Mountain (medium to medium-stiff flex) Snowboard Boots

      And I think that budget should be fine for everything. If you go Standard, that’s only 500, then you should be able to get good quality boots and bindings in that flex range for around 700.

      Hope this helps

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61. Sean Breslin says

    January 21, 2022 at 10:33 am

    Hey Nate,

    I was hoping to get your feedback on my current snowboard setup. I would consider myself a high level beginner/low level intermediate rider. I weigh roughly 180-185 lbs and about 5′ 11″ tall and I ride primarily the regular position. I purchased the 157cm Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker with the Burton Step On bindings (Size M) and the Burton Photons (Size 10.5). I have the bindings set at -15/+15. I’m not sure if it’s the new feel of the Step On bindings but something feels off to me. I’m finding it hard to control my rear foot which makes it hard to maneuver the board. I don’t recall having these struggles when I would rent boards with traditional strap bindings. Do you think it’s just a matter of getting used to? Possibly my binding settings? Thanks in advance for all your help!!

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    • Nate says