Hello and welcome to my Never Summer West review. This review will assess the NS West as an all-mountain snowboard.
As per SnowboardingProfiles.com tradition I will give the board a score out of 100 and compare it to other all mountain snowboards.
NOTE: The 2019 model was the last model of the West
Overall Rating
Board: Never Summer West
Price: $569 (USD recommended retail)
Style: All-Mountain
Flex: Medium (6/10)
All Mountain Rating Score: 90.9/100
Compared to other Men’s All Mountain Boards
Of the 35 all-mountain snowboards that I rated:
- The average score was 80.4/100
- The highest score was 92.7/100
- The lowest score was 64.0/100
- The average price was $481 (USD)
- The West ranked 2nd out of 35
Overview of the West’s Specs
Check out the tables below for the West’s Specs and Sizing
Specs
| Style | All-Mountain | Flex | Medium (6 out of 10) |
| Ability Level | Intermediate to Expert | Feel | Stable |
| Weight | Normal | Turn Initiation | Medium-Fast |
| Camber Profile | Hybrid Rocker | Shape | Directional |
| Stance Setback | Setback 20mm | Edge-hold | Hard snow |
| Price | $569(USD) | Base | Sintered |
Sizing
| Size (Length) | 152 | 154 | 156 | 159 | 162 | 157W | 160W | 164W | 168W |
| Waist Width (mm) | 248 | 250 | 252 | 254 | 256 | 261 | 263 | 266 | 266 |
| Weight Range (kgs) | 50 – 73 | 54 – 77 | 57 – 79 | 61 – 84 | 66 – 88 | 59 – 82 | 64 – 86 | 75 – 98 | 77-100+ |
| Weight Range (lbs) | 110 – 160 | 120 – 170 | 125 – 175 | 135 – 185 | 145 – 195 | 130 – 180 | 140 – 190 | 165 – 215 | 170-220+ |
Who is the West Most Suited to
The West is best suited to anyone who wants one board that can do whatever you throw at it. It’s got that rare ability to be playful when you want it to and more aggressive when you feel for it.
If you do a lot of jibbing then there are probably better all-mountain boards that lean that way but if jibbing’s not something you do a lot or only every now and then, then the West should be on your radar.
The West in more detail
O.k. let’s take a look at some of the details and then we’ll look at the score breakdown and my final verdict.
Demo Info
Board: Never Summer West 2018, 157cm (261mm waist width)
Date: April 15, 2017
Conditions: Cloudy with periods of sun in the morning. Started snowing around midday (so much snow in April – it’s awesome!) Some fresh overnight snow made the snow lovely and soft in the morning – hardened up as it was compacted but was still soft-packed. Then Softened up again a bit in the afternoon with the snow.
I think the sun came back at some point in the afternoon too. Visibility was great all day
Bindings angles: +15/-15
Bindings: Flux DS
Powder
The West has a 20mm setback stance and has rocker in the camber profile. This definitely showed and I appreciated how this floated over the powder.
It’s not a powder king but it definitely floats decently with little effort.
Carving/Turns
This is where the West comes into its own. As an all-mountain deck it’s never going to be perfect at one thing but it came pretty close when it came to carving. The camber sections, side-cut, shape and flex all help this to be a pretty darn good carver.
But it’s still good for skidding turns too if you need to and is pretty fast from edge to edge.
Let’s break up all this text with a video
Speed
You definitely notice the sintered base on this thing and the 6/10 flex along with the camber sections definitely help to give it some real speed. And more importantly it has great stability at speed. Not like you’d get out of a freeride board or a more aggressive all-mountain board but it strikes a good balance with other aspects.
Uneven Terrain
The West actually hugged the terrain reasonably well and cut through chop well too. It was better in uneven terrain than I had expected.
Switch
You can definitely ride this switch. It’s not going to have the same switch feel as a centered, true twin deck of course – but certainly landing in and riding in switch for brief periods was more than doable.
Jumps
I really enjoyed jumps on the West. It feels good on approach and you can really stomp those landings. It’s got good pop too. You can get really good energy out of this board.
Jibbing
Probably the West’s biggest weakness – as I said earlier if you do a lot of jibbing then there are probably better options. That said, you can definitely hit the odd box or rail and still enjoy it.
Pipe
If you like to ride the pipe then the West will be an awesome tool in there. I didn’t take it in the pipe, but it has great edge-hold, great speed and should climb those pipe walls really well in my opinion.
Changes from 2018 Model
As far as I can tell the 2019 West is the same board as the 2018 West, apart from the graphic.
Score Breakdown and Final Verdict
Check out the score breakdown for the West in the table below.
| FACTOR | RATING (OUT OF 5) | CONTRIBUTION TO FINAL SCORE |
| Powder: | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
| Carving: | 4.0 | 12/15 |
| Speed: | 4.0 | 12/15 |
| Uneven Terrain: | 4.0 | 12/15 |
| Switch: | 3.5 | 7/10 |
| Jumps: | 4.0 | 8/10 |
| Jibbing: | 2.5 | 5/10 |
| Pipe: | 4.0 | 8/10 |
| TOTAL after normalizing | 90.9/100 |
I absolutely loved riding this board and really didn’t want to get off it! I had a blast on it and it really was an extremely versatile and fun board to ride. You could get really aggressive with it but you could also slow things down and get playful with it too.
More Info, Current Prices and Where to Buy Online
Check out the links below to learn more about the West and where to buy and to see if it’s available in your size. I have included a couple of options below in case one or the other doesn’t have your size.
Thanks for reading and I hope you found this review helpful. If you’re keen to check out some other all-mountain options check out the links below.
My Top 10 All-Mountain Snowboards
This review is for the Never Summer West 2017.
Hey Nate,
Amazingly just found your website and I must say, it is quite impressive and I am so pumped to have a new go-to review site!
Not sure if you’ll see this comment given it being posted on an old board, but I still rock the 2017 West 160X (Buffalo) and am interested in getting another board to start a two-board quiver. I am 41/6’1″/195lbs/10.5 boot, been riding for 30 years now at an advanced level. I primarily ride at Copper here in Colorado, but am heading to Baldface Valhalla for the second time this March (the West has handled Baldface quite nicely for me). The West has been great for my daily driver as I primarily ride all terrain, but mostly trees, sidehits, groomers and bowls, although it can feel like a bit of a tank at times.
I’m torn between getting a more powder friendly board or a more freestyle leaning all-mountain board as the next one. Given the versatility of the West, what board(s) would you go to from here? I’ll eventually replace the West so my two boards are a bit more at the opposite end of the spectrum but would love your thoughts.
Hi Justin, thanks for your message (and apologies for the slow reply – life getting in the way again!)
I have answered your question on PYL but let me know if are still weighing up powder oriented vs freestyle oriented for your 2nd board.
Hi, is snowboard similar the NS Cobra?
Thank you!
Hi Pablo
Thanks for your message.
It is similar, yeah. But not exactly the same.
The Cobra was a touch stiffer – though not by much, so a similar flex.
The West had Never Summer’s “Ripsaw Rocker Camber” versus the “Original Rocker Camber” on the Cobra. So, the West had a more camber dominant profile than the Cobra, which was more rocker dominant. I would say this is the biggest difference between them. That and the effective edge – with the Cobra having more effective edge versus overall length.
Sidecut and width dimensions pretty similar.
Same type of board overall, so in that sense quite similar. Both directional twin, similar shape and flex. But enough differences too.
Hope this helps
Hello Nate,
based on your recommendation I had bought a NS West in 2018, still like it very much and am now looking for a more “relaxed” board. So a board actually only for the slopes, but with more damping and with the somewhat less physical force is needed.
Do you have a recommendation from the Never Summer portfolio or alternatively something from another manufacturer with a similar profile to the West?
Thanks, Christian
Hi Christian
Thanks for your message.
From Never Summer, you could look at the Proto Slinger, for a more relaxed board, but it won’t have more dampening – probably feel less damp. The Snowtrooper is also more relaxed – and I’d say similar dampening to the West but not more. Typically you need to go stiffer to get more damp – and stiffer usually means less relaxed.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks you for helping the community the you do with such detailed and well thought answers.
My 156 West is getting close to end of life. It’s my favorite board by far. My stance is all the way back all season long. I ride pow, tress and carve on it, at advanced level. I don’t do park or jumps (other than on a pow day). I’m one the old guys riders, and I value much that I almost never catch edge on this board (compared to others). It is also the fastest and most nimble board in my quiver. Since NS no longer makes it, was wondering what similar attributes all-mountain board(s) you recommend?
Thanks,
John
Hi John
A real shame they discontinued this board, IMO. It was a great board that fit the needs of a lot of riders.
There’s nothing really that’s the same in the Never Summer lineup anymore. The only boards that still have the Ripsaw Rocker Camber profile that the West had are the Ripper (formerly called the Ripsaw) and the Peacemaker. The Ripsaw is a good bit stiffer (8/10 flex) than the West was and that makes a big difference to it’s maneuverability at slower speeds. Flex isn’t the only difference, but it’s a big one. The Peacemaker on the other hand is softer flexing (3/10) than the West was. It’s also a twin. It does have “blower stance” inserts, that allow you to set it back further, but it’s overall more freestyle oriented.
The Proto Synthesis is about the same flex as the old West (6/10), but it’s no longer Ripsaw Rocker – it’s now “shockwave camber” which is a little more camber dominant. It’s still not something that I could call catchy at all, but there’s certainly more camber and less rocker in there. And it’s also twin and more freestyle oriented. The Proto Slinger is even more freestyle oriented, has the Shockwave camber and is softer (3.5/10) than what the West was.
The Snowtrooper is more rocker dominant than camber (original rocker camber) and also softer flexing (4/10), but otherwise has similar qualities to the old West.
Outside of Never Summer, something like:
-Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker could be a good fit. A little softer than what the West was, IMO. But it’s got a fairly similar camber profile and is super-un catchy and not way softer. For some reference, the West had what I felt as a 6/10 flex, the Terrain Wrecker more of a 5/10. It’s also directional twin like the West was.
– GNU Hyperkyarve – same camber profile as the Terrain Wrecker and marginally stiffer (5.5/10). It’s more directional than the Terrain Wrecker, but based on your style of riding, I don’t think that would be a bad thing.
Both come in 157s, which if you’re happy with the size of your West, would be a good size match.
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate! So I looked up all your recommendations and on the fence between the Hyperkyarve and the PS (unless you have more options). My hesitation with Gnu is that I have Gnu Zoid which is super enjoyable on pow, but bit catchy and not as fast as the West on hardpack. The Zoid camber profiles seems similar to the Hyperkyarve and so is the edge shape (banana traction), and I assume one or both making it more catchy or slow. I also enjoy riding a longer jones (mind explorer) which although is my deep pow board. I find surprisingly maneuverable and stable on hard pack and would use it more often if it wasn’t for the slippery top sheet. On the PS my main concern is that it is a true twin and I set my bindings on the West all the way back when the West is already setback by default. I also have an option for last season Westbound on sale, but I read below a comment that you made that they don’t ride similar.
Hi John
I think the Westbound would suit your style of riding well. The main reason I didn’t mention it is that it’s a different camber profile. It’s got the Fusion Rocker Camber, and I was trying to find something as close to the west. The Fusion Rocker has a little more rocker and little less camber than the West had. However, if you like the feel of the Mind Expander, the West Bound might work well. It’s also more directional than the West, but for how you describe your riding, I think that’s only a good thing. Finally, I found it a little stiffer than the West, but only by a little bit. So, given your experience on the Mind Expander (which is pretty much all rocker), the West Bound might work well for you – given that you can find it in a suitable size. I wouldn’t compromise on sizing correctly. But if it’s in the right size, it’s worth a look at. For whatever reason, Never Summer also discontinued the West Bound. Another great board, that they should’ve, IMO, kept going.
Thanks Nate! Westbound 155 enroute. Stay tuned for feedback in November
I get your comment about the size. I hope I’m not making mistake with the 155 westbound at 173lb. Maybe I should return it get the snowtrooper 156.
Hi John
If you were riding the 156 West, then I think the closest equivalent to that size in the Westbound is 157, rather than 155. You’re dropping a bit of effective edge going 155 West Bound versus 156 West (not just overall length). I don’t think 155 is way off and not super small for your weight or anything, but it is on the smaller side. If you were looking to replicate a similar size feel to the 156 West, then the 156 Snowtrooper will be more similar – or the 157 West Bound, if you were able to find that size. But if you don’t mind it feeling a little smaller than the 156 West, then 155 isn’t like a crazy size for you or anything. But if you could also let me know your height (weight is more important, but I still like to take height into account) and your boot size, and I can have a more accurate picture of how the 155 is going to work.
Nate – I’m 5.7″ 8.5 bootsize
Hi John
I think the 155 could work for you. Again, if you’re really looking for something to feel the same in terms of length as your 156 West, then the 157 would be a better match. The 155 will feel a little smaller. But in terms of matching your specs, I think 155 works well. Purely in terms of length, I think 157 is a better length for you, but with 8.5 boots and the West Bound being on the wide end of a good range for 8.5s, IMO, sizing down a couple of cms isn’t a bad thing, so I think 155 works, if you’re OK with a slightly smaller feeling board than your 156 West.
Hey Nate, just wanted to follow up with you since you were so helpful picking out my board.
I wrote you on the Slash Brainstorm page since I was debating getting a newer brainstorm or different board. Ended up picking the 159 NS West and can say it was definitely the right move. Got to try it out last weekend and it was exactly what I was looking for. A step up from the Brainstorm as far as serious riding in speed, carving, and uneven terrain, but still playful and forgiving. Perfect for taking me from a lower intermediate, which the Brainstorm is perfect for, to a solid intermediate and getting better. This board will easily take me to the next levels and gives me lots of confidence.
My only caveat….it sucks to skate with. It gets a little squirrelly getting off some lifts but it’s a fair trade since I’m improving in balance anyways.
Thanks again
Hi Joel
Thanks so much for the update and awesome to hear that the West is going well for you. Appreciate your thoughts on it. Happy riding! (if you can get to a resort that hasn’t closed yet, of course!)
Hi Nate, thanks for the cool Reviews!
I‘m 84kg, 190cm and have Bootsize US 12 with 33cm Outside length.
Do you think the 164 X is possible?
And if not, would the Westbound DF be a solution? Even its not the same board, do you think you can mess around and play with the Westbound not only on groomers if I would set it up more centered? Or is it really just for carve n‘ pow ?
Thanks a lot.
Hi Silvan
Thanks for your message. Apologies for the slow response – have fallen a bit behind after vacation.
Yeah the 164X should be all good in terms of width for 12s. Assuming you’re at a relatively advanced level, I think it would be a good length for you too.
In terms of the Westbound, it’s something that you can slow down and play around on to an extent. Not as much as you can on the West but more so than a lot of other Freeride boards. It’s predominantly carve n pow, but is mess aroundable to an extent. Sizing it to a 161X would make it a little more playful vs going with the likes of the 165X too.
In terms of the DF sizes, it wouldn’t be necessary, IMO, unless you were really wanting to get some eurocarves in or the like.
Hope this helps, if you haven’t chosen already
Hey Nate,
did you ride the all new west bound?!
Should i wait for the now model or take the west in sale?
Hi Soeren
Thanks for your message.
I rode the West Bound. And really liked it. But it’s a very different board to the West. By the name you’d think it would be quite similar, but it’s actually quite different. The main differences being.
1. It’s a little stiffer than the West. I would say 7/10 for the Westbound and 6/10 for the West
2. It’s not as snappy as the West, but it’s considerably smoother. It was a really smooth ride, I found
3. It’s more directional than the West – there’s more setback, it’s a little tapered and the camber profile is directional
4. The camber profile is NSs fusion rocker camber vs the Ripsaw rocker camber on the West. These are quite different. The Fusion is camber to the tail’s contact point, rocker between the feet and then camber starting just at the inserts on the nose end – just a small section, then into a flat section up to the nose’s contact point. And that’s all setback on the board.
I would consider the Westbound a Freeride board vs the West an all-mountain board. If you’re looking for an all-mountain board – something like the West, then I would grab that on sale as the Westbound is a different kind of best. An awesome board, that I had a lot of fun on – but not really an evolution of the West as the name would suggest.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate! So I have a ST, PT2, 25, and now a WestBound. The ST was ok, but the tail end washed out on me a handful of times when I put my weight on the front foot. Never experienced that with my PT2 and know it was probably due to the Shaper fusion rocker. I bought the WestBound on sale, but going to be returning it probably. Haven’t even been on it, but really prefer that Ripsaw Rocker profile of the PT2 and old West. I hated that washy feeling I’d get from time to time. Will keep the 25 as my pow/free ride board, PT2 for groomer days and maybe get a West for all mountain (MAYBE).
Hi Mike
Thanks for the update and your thoughts on the ST vs PT2 & 25.
I really liked the Westbound, but I haven’t ridden the ST, so can’t really compare them in terms of commenting whether the Westbound gives a similar feeling. But yeah the Westbound certainly not a replacement for the West – it’s quite a different board. I really feel like Never Summer have left a bit of a hole in their line getting rid of the West. They’ve got the Snowtrooper and Heritage as “do-it-all” boards. But the Snowtrooper is softer/more playful and doesn’t have the ripsaw. And the Heritage is stiffer but also doesn’t have the Ripsaw Rocker. The West was the good in between in terms of flex between those 2 and had the Ripsaw. But anyway.
Since the Westbound is more of a freeride board, and you already have the 25, which sounds like you would prefer, I think the Westbound would be surplus anyway. I think the 25 and PT2 make a good 2 board quiver. Adding the West, you’d have something in between the 2. Not completely necessary, with the quiver you have IMO. But it could come in handy on days you want to ride pow in the morning and groomers/park in the afternoon without changing boards.
Nate,
You seem to give some good advice and as I am looking at advancing my riding skills I thought I would run my thoughts by you. I currently an riding a Ride Manic 164W board and have been looking at the Never Summer West X 164 board to move up to. I am 6′ 2″ and weigh about 240lb. I stay out of the park and I mostly just ride the groomers. I am also riding in the north east coast so there is often ice involved. Do you think that the West X 164 is the right choice for me? Thanks for any advice you can provide.
Hi James
Thanks for your message.
I think the West would be a good step up for you. You should see improvements in terms of carving, speed, jumps and edge hold in hard/icy conditions. Powder performance roughly the same, but pretty much everywhere else I would say that the West would be a step up from the Manic.
Size-wise, I think the 164X would be a good size for you too.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate!
Great work you are doing here! I read all the previous comments and didn’t see my exact setup so I thought I’d ask your opinion!
I’m 6’ 2” 205lbs. and wear a Burton Imperial size 11 boot (US). I am thinking about getting the Never Summer West 162 with Burton Cartel bindings and wondering if the width would be good. I like to do all the things on the mountain including powder and speed runs and trees and all that. I currently have the Snowtrooper 160x which is great but I want to upgrade the aggressiveness and edge hold (wish I knew that when I bought the demo).
Do you think the NS West at 162 would be a good choice for me width wise? Thanks for all you do!
Hi Niall
Thanks for your message.
I would predict the 162 to have a width of roughly 264mm at the inserts. That’s certainly on the narrow side for 11s – even low profile 11s.
I have ridden a couple of boards with a width at the inserts of 255mm (I ride a low profile (Vans Aura) 10, at +15/-15 angles) and haven’t had issues so it’s doable. The equivalent for 11s would be roughly 265mm. But typically I ride boards with at least 258mm at the inserts (268mm rough equivalent for 11s) and usually between 260 and 265. So, with similar binding angles it’s doable but risky. And you might ride more aggressively than me, for example.
The width on the 160X West, I would predict to be around 271mm at the inserts, which I think is a good width for 11s. So unless you feel like your Snowtrooper is too wide, I think the 160X would be the safer bet. If you feel like you need more length, then the 164X might be a better bet vs the 162.
You would probably be fine on the 162 but there’s certainly some risk there, IMO.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Niall, ha, that’s awesome! As of this week, that is my exact setup. Imperials 3 years old, bought the 2019 West and the Cartels on sale this week. Cant wait to try em out!
Hey Nate, appreciate all your help with this site! It’s a great resource. I’m an advanced to expert rider, focusing on freeriding with some jumps mixed in there (very little jibbing). I enjoy backcountry, including powder, trees, steeps, but also love carving hard on groomers. I had a Jones Mountain Twin 157cm that I really liked but got damaged a bit so now I’m replacing it. I was initially going to get another Mountain Twin but it’s hard to find right now at any site, so I’m looking for something similar. I am 5’9, 158lbs, wear 9.5 K2 Maysis. My bindings are Union Falcors. Do you think this board is suitable for me? I am a bit worried it may be too soft but it sounds like it rides pretty aggressively despite it’s medium flex rating. Did you find its flex softer than the Mountain Twin (which I know is rated 7/10 but most people say rides softer). Do you think the 156cm would be a reasonable size? Are there any other boards you recommend for my riding style? Thanks so much for your help!
Hi Matt
Thanks for the message.
I think the West would be a good replacement. Not going to feel the same as the Mountain Twin for sure. It’s got an ever so slightly looser feel compared to the Mountain Twin. I would say a very similar flex, personally – but maybe with that subtly looser feel, the West, is subtly softer feeling overall, but not by heaps. 156 would be a good size for you too, IMO. And when I say looser feel – it’s still relatively aggressive feeling on a carve – just has that bit of rocker between the feet, that gives it a bit there, especially when flat basing – but you can still lean into a carve on this board, for sure.
Some other boards you could look at, based on what you’re decscribing:
– Capita Mercury
– Jones Explorer
– Niche Story
– Nitro Team Gullwing
Or you could look at freeride boards too – based on what you’re describing. Check out the following for some great options:
>> My Top 5 Freeride Snowboards
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for your help Nate! Awesome advice. Ya, I’ve also been looking into some freeride boards like you mentioned. I think any of those 5 that you reviewed so well would be good choices. The Pick Your Line actually sounds great, especially with that slightly softer flex than the typical freeride board. I’ve looked at the Capita Mercury and Jones Explorer too. I’m sure these would all be great choices. Again, thanks for your help!
You’re very welcome Matt. If you think of it at the time, let me know what you go for in the end.
Hey Nate, just to follow-up, I ended up finding another Mountain Twin online, so I pulled the trigger on it. I had good results with that. I think a freeride board would be a good option in the future but for now I like the 6/10 flex the Mountain Twin offers. I couldn’t find the Capita Mercury or Jones Explorer anywhere but I’m sure those would have been good options as well. Thanks again for your help, I look forward to reading more of your reviews!
Hi Matt
Thanks for the update. Certainly nothing wrong with going with the tried and tested! Lots of reviews to come for 2020 models.
I am an intermediate towards expert rider with a size 13 foot. I weight 190 lbs. Would you recommend a West X 160 or X164?
Hi Justin
Purely going off weight, boot size, and ability I would say 160X, but if you could also let me know your height, that would be great. The 164X would certainly give you more leeway in terms of width, for your 13s though. But I like to also take height into account. Even though weight is a more important factor these days, I still like to take everything into account. If you could also let me know how you like to ride. Do you like to ride fast all the time, sometimes slow it down and play around? – do you throw some freestyle stuff in there – jibs, jumps, sidehits? Do you ride powder? Do you ride trees?
Thank you for your helpful thoughts & advice!
I am a 6’0″ and 170 lbs. I’m a size 11 boot. I’ve ridden a 157 Burton Clash for the past 20 years & it’s time for a new board! (I took a 10 year break & have gotten back into it the past few years.)
I rarely go in the park & primarily stay on groomers although I will encounter more powder now that I board more on the West Coast.
I would say I’m a solid intermediate but definitely not expert. I’m now over 40 years old and want a solid all-mountain board that won’t take too much work to get down the mountain & I can keep up with my kids. I will sometimes catch an edge on my 20 year old Clash & friends have said that a hybrid rocker is the way to go. They said that I’ll catch edges less frequently & will require much less work getting down the mountain (this is very important to me). I’m a decent carver & I’ve read that the Never Summer West has decent edge hold. I do sometimes ride on mountains with more icy/slushy conditions so I don’t want to wipe out in those conditions. I don’t have a need to go super fast.
Do you think the Never Summer West is the best option for me?
As far as bindings, I just got the Burton Photon Step on bindings. I see that you ask people about their back binding angles, but really I have no idea about that.
Do you think I need the wide X board with size 11 boots?
I’m debating between the Never Summer West 159 regular width, the 157X or the 160X. I’m afraid that the 160 might be too long & that I won’t be able to control it (this is my biggest fear). I want to be able to turn relatively easily & have more maneuverability. (And work less) Because I don’t think I will be going that fast I don’t feel the need to have a super long board. When I’m riding blacks, I want to have more control vs. bombing down those trails.
I’m also concerned that the 157X might be too wide to control as well. (since I’ve never had a wide board before & wider boards are harder to control) Based on what I’ve read, it seems like size 10.5 and larger should go with the wider board to prevent toe/heel drag. I’m leaning towards the 157x since it’s the same length as my current board & should prevent toe/heel drag. I think the 157x is a better choice vs the 160x because it’s shorter and should be easier to turn/control. I’m hoping the 157x is long enough to handle deep powder.
I don’t ride switch & that lines up since the West is a directional board.
Would appreciate your thoughts on my situation. Thank you!
Hi Joe
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing, I think the West would be a really good choice. To get something similar but even easier going, you could look at the Never Summer Snowtrooper as well, but I think you’ll appreciate the West for it’s better carving ability.
Length-wise, taking everything into account, including how you like to ride, your specs and your ability level, I like the sound of something around 157, 158.
Width-wise, you might be able to squeeze onto the 159, if you were to have a back binding angle of 15 degrees or similar, given that you’re on Burton boots. But going 157X (which I think is going to be the best size for you) will be less restrictive in terms of binding angles, and give you more leeway in terms of toe drag. Going narrower does mean you’re getting more leverage on the edges, but the 157X isn’t an overly wide board for 11s. It’s a good width, IMO. It’s likely to be around 268mm at the inserts, roughly (I haven’t measured the 157X West specifically, but based on other Never Summer boards I’ve measured at the Inserts). Which should lead to a pretty good edge to edge foot-wise, and a good amount of overhang, without being too much boot-wise. If you really wanted to go narrow, then the 159, if you restrict yourself to a reasonable amount of angle on the back foot, would be doable, but I would recommend the 157X.
In terms of powder, the 157X actually has more surface area than the 159. It has less effective edge, which means it’s probably ever so slightly less stable at speed, when on edge, than the 159, but since speed isn’t a huge thing for you, and since it would be only a subtle difference, IMO, the 157X ticks more boxes for you, IMO. I think the 160X will be a bit too big in terms of combination of length and width, for what you’re describing. So yeah, long story short, I would say 157X.
Nitro Team Gullwing would be the only other Hybrid rocker, mid flex, with decent edge-hold in hard/icy conditions, and with a setback stance/decent in powder etc, that I can think of that would be equally as suitable. But the 157W, which would likely be the best size for you, would be a little wider at the inserts, I would estimate, and probably a little too wide vs the West 157X.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey, good review. I am in the market for my first board and the stores keep pushing me the burton Custom Flying V. But after seeing your review I feel this Never Summer West seems to be a better fit for me. I am beginner to intermediate level (I pick it up quite fast since I come from windsurfing) and I don’t care for park or jibbing. I want to develop my carving technique and sometimes when I am good enough I want to try off-piste powder as well. I am 5’11 and 80 kgs and my boot size varies between 10.5 and 11. First of all, do you recommend this board over the Burton and what size you think would be best given that carving technique would be my focus for now. 162 perhaps? My stance length for all mountain is around 52/53 cm (natural stance = 50 cm).
Thanks in advance.
Hi Caio
Thanks for your message.
Neither are what I would consider to be good boards for a beginner level. But between the two I would say that the Custom Flying V is a little more beginner friendly. But it sounds like your bordering on intermediate and picking it up quickly. Both boards are intermediate suitable, IMO. With the Custom Flying V being a little more beginner friendly, IMO.
The West is a better carver, IMO, and since that’s something you’re looking to focus on, that gives it an edge. It’s also got better edge-hold in hard/icy conditions, IMO.
Size-wise, I think 162 is getting a touch too long, even if you are going to be just focusing on carving. Also, if you’ve got a stance width of 52/53cm then that’s getting pretty narrow on a board that long.
Also in terms of width, I think you could look at going wide, if you are going to be getting some deep carves going, especially if you end up on 11s. If you end up on 10.5s and get a low profile boot, then I would go with the 159 for you. If you get 11s, then I would go 157X (or 160X if you really wanted to go longer). If you go with a low profile 11 and have binding angles similar to +15/-15 (i.e. with a reasonable amount of angle on your back foot), then you should be able to squeeze on the 159 width-wise, but that would restrict your binding angles, if you’re going to be really railing your carves at some point. And if you’re not planning on riding any switch or doing tricks, then you might prefer more of a forward stance.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hi Nate! Thanks for your review!
I`m a 172 cm, 72 kg.
I decided to choose a 154 board.
Is fit for me?
Thank you!
Hi Alex
Thanks for your message. I think the 154 will work well for you. I would be weighing up between the 154 and 156 for you specs. And both those sizes would work. Subtle but noticeable differences would be.
– 154 better for trees and tricks, and more maneuverable at slower speeds
– 156 better for float in powder and stability at speed
If you’re more of an intermediate level rider, then I would say 154 regardless. If you’re more advanced and don’t really ride any freestyle or trees, then I would say 156 would be a better option.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate, looking for help. The more I research 1 board; I find another 3 to research. So hard to make a decision! Quick background: I’ve spent my first 4 years on a Ride Dose 159W(185 lbs, Burton Ruler 11.5, +12 -8), got it as a leftover. It’s a true twin with TONS of camber. I didn’t know anything about boards back then and little did I know this wasn’t really a beginner’s board. But it’s what I had and learned on, which I’ve realized that I’m more all mountain, charging, free ride style of rider. All set with going into the half pipe but will hit a box, park jumps but prefer the natural side hits. Living in New England I have to deal with the bumps and mess of New England snow so most days are groomers, powder when lucky, and last year some in the glades and looking to do more of that. I do one trip out west(Jackson this year) and hit back country when possible. I’m looking to advance my overall riding and have been looking at the NS West X(160) and Chairman X(161). I’m a little concerned about going from true twin camber to rocker style hybrid boards but also don’t want another true twin camber board. I also need something to handle the New England snow conditions. Would you consider the Chairman a good fit or is the flex on it a little much? That’s when I was looking at the West. But I was also told NS has a slightly different version of the West being released this month and was considering to wait to see what it’s about. Any advice on these 2 boards or possible other options, I’m more than happy to listen.
Thanks C-
Hi Carmine
Thanks for your message.
I think an all-mountain board, like the West would be a good fit for you. I think it would be an easier transition going from your current board, and will be better for side hits and when you’re in the park. Also easier to deal with messy snow, in my experience. But something that can still charge and is decent in powder. I think something like the West fits this bill. It’s pretty good in hard/icy conditions – what I would rate a 4/5.
I would also consider “hybrid camber” boards i.e. camber between the feet and rocker towards tip and tail. The West is what I would consider “Hybrid Rocker” (camber-rocker-camber). Only reason is that I would say that it’s a closer feel to an all-camber board, but still more forgiving and more versatile.
Check out the following for some good options:
>>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards
On that page, the following are Hybrid Camber, and I’ve listed how I think they do in hard/icy conditions – for other performance ratings, check out the score breakdowns:
~ Typo – 5/5 Hard/Icy
~ Brainstorm – 4/5
~ Rossignol One – 5/5
~ Jones Mountain Twin – 4/5
~ Standard – 5/5
That’s certainly not to say, don’t go Hybrid Rocker, but I just wanted to point that out and point out some good options. The West is certainly still a good option. It just might take a little more getting used to the camber profile. I haven’t heard of this slightly different West, so will be interesting to see what that is, when it comes out.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for the info! And just when i thought i had my decision, NS West, I was just offered a massive deal from my local shop, two left over boards for the price of one… a lib tech hot knife 159W and a capita navigator 161. i can grab both of these boards for around $500. He said i had till sunday to decide before he puts both boards in the shop on sale. I guess i would use the lib tech as more of a everyday for New England conditions and use the capita for powder days, honestly, do you think the right move is just getting the West for my daily, or grabbing these two and using them accordingly. Again thanks for our help!
Hi Carmine
That is a hard deal to pass up for sure. And it certainly sounds like it could work.
The Hot Knife is quite an aggressive board. It has Lib Tech’s C3 Camber, which is predominantly camber with some subtle rocker between the feet. But it is an awesome board, IMO. And pretty good in hard/icy conditions too. It’s a relatively advanced board, so take that into account too. But as you are used to camber, it wouldn’t be an adjustment in that sense. Also check out:
>>Lib Tech Hot Knife Review
I haven’t ridden the Navigator but it certainly has the specs to be a good board for powder. Realistically I would say that you wouldn’t ride it unless there was powder or at least soft snow, but when you get those powder days it would certainly be the better choice than the Hot Knife.
The two boards do compliment each other well, IMO. The Hot Knife isn’t very good in powder. That’s it’s biggest weakness and it looks like the Navigator would be great in powder.
Size wise, those sizes could work too. You’re already used to a 159W with your current board, and going longer on the Navigator is a good idea as it looks like that kind of board, IMO. Less effective edge, but long nose. But if you could let me know your height as well (think I have your weight and boot size from the other comment) – and I can make a more accurate recommendation size-wise.
Hope this helps with your decision.
Hi, Nate!
Thank you very much for your reviews, it was very helpful in choosing the model of snowboard!
I’m choosing snowboard for my husband and thus I want to keep it in secret I need your advice 🙂
He is 183 сm tall (6′) 83-85 kilos (183 lbs) and his boot size is 10.5 US (43 EU).
He mostly ride all mountain – groomers, powder and trees. No aspirations to park. His level is intermediate, but we plan to ride the Alps each season to advance our skills).
Couls you please advice a suitable size (or maybe different model of never summer as NS is his dream).
Greetings from Russia,
Julia
Hi Julia
Thanks for your message.
I would say that the 159 would be the best size for your husband for this board. Although in terms of width, it would depend no a couple of things. It would depend on the brand of his boots (certain brands have smaller outersoles, which allow you to ride narrower boards) and his binding angles (more angle on the bindings, the narrower you can ride). If he has low profile boots and/or angles similar to something like +15/-15, or really anything with at least a 6 degree angle on the back foot, then the 159 would be the best bet, IMO.
But if he rides with a very straight back foot, and doesn’t have low profile boots, then it might be better to go with the 160X.
I know you may not know this information, but if you know the brand of boots that he owns (if he owns boots), then I can let you know based on that. If he hasn’t bought boots yet, then going with something like Adidas, Vans, Burton or Ride would be a good bet, and then he shouldn’t have any trouble on the 159, regardless of binding angles.
The West is intermediate suitable, IMO, so he should be fine with that board. The Snowtrooper is a more easy going option, which you could also look at, but I think the West would be fine for him.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
Excellent work what you do, thank you very much for sharing.
I have been a West 156 (2016) for two seasons and I was thinking about changing it to a new 159 model.
I think that with 159 I will have more stability in speed and more flotation in pow.
my height is 5 “8”
Weight 200lbs
my boots are SLX 9.5 (15, -9).
my level is intermediate to advanced.
my question is do you think it’s a lot of change from 156 to 159? .
I’m happy with the 156 table, it’s great for me, but I’d like to get more stability in speed and flotation.
I had thought about changing NS Chairman but i think ,it is still too aggressive for me, that’s why I think that it is better to chance a 159 (west). what do you think?
greetings from Spain . Thank you
Loren
Hi Loren
Thanks for your message.
The 159 would be suitable for your specs, IMO, assuming that you’re at least a solid intermediate level of riding.
You would certainly increase stability at speed and float in powder going up to the 159. It would also help with long, wide carves too. It won’t feel as sharp for short sharp turns but will be nicer for longer, bigger turns.
You would loose a little in terms of maneuverability at slow speeds and won’t be as good for freestyle stuff or in trees, but that’s the trade off for getting more stability and flotation.
Hope this helps with your decision.
Hi Nate,
Fantastic review! I have been reading quite a lot from your website and found the info very helpful.
I am looking to buy my first snowboard and decide to go for Never Summer West after reading many reviews. But I am unsure which size would suit me best. My info as follows:
Weight: 65kg
Height: 173cm
Boot Size: US 9
Ability: Intermediate
Binding angles: +12/-6
I mostly ride all mountain – groomers, trees and powder. I am learning to ride switch now and looking to ride switch a fair bit in the future. Only occasionally that I go into the park. (May be I will do a bit more jumps in the future when my riding is better)
I am deciding whether to go for board length 154cm or 156cm.
Your advice will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Pete
Hi Pete
Thanks for your message.
For you, I would say the 154 is the best size for sure, both length and width. I think 156 would be a bit too long for your specs. I would almost be weighing up between the 152 and 154, as an intermediate rider, but the 154 would be a great size for you and a size that you could ride for as long as you want, even at a high ability level. Also if you were riding in the park more often, then 152 would be more tempting. So yeah, I’d definitely say not 156, it’s between 152 and 154, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I think I’ve settled on the Never Summer West as a new board. I’m currently riding a Capita BSOD 162 but I bought it hastily and as a 215lb rider with a size 12 boot, I’m thinking I should go a little longer with the West 164X. Thoughts on sizing?
Thanks,
John
Hi John
Yeah with 12s I would definitely say go wide.
Length wise, for your specs, I would say the 164X would be a good bet. You could also ride the 168X if you wanted a bit of extra length. But I would be leaning towards the 164X – mainly because both would suit but the 164X would be less of an adjustment compared to the 162 that you’re used to. And since you mostly ride groomers I think it’s the better length too.
Hope this helps
Gracias! Very helpful. I do have a question on bindings: which do you think would be a better pairing for the West, Union Atlas or Flow NX2-GT Hybrids?
Hi John
I personally prefer Union, so I would go for the Atlas. That said, I haven’t ridden flow bindings for a few years and haven’t ridden the NX2 GT Hybrids.
The other reason I would go Atlas, is that it would be a better flex match to the West. The NX2 GT look like they are rated as “very stiff”. Which in my head would translate to at least 8/10 in flex, possible more. The Atlas are more like 7/10, in my books – and with the West a 6/10, the Atlas would be the better match, IMO.
Hope this helps
Excellent. Thanks!
You’re very welcome John. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hey Nate 🙂
do you think the NS West 159 fits me (6′ , 160 lbs)?
I’m in trouble because I just ordered the last NS West 2018 I found, and i thought 159 fits perfectly but now I´m afraid that its too big… I ride nearly everything: Slope, carving, speed, jump everywhere I can, backcountry, now and then park and trees…
Thnak you
greetings, Jonas
Hi Jonas
Thanks for your messages.
I think 159 is definitely a doable length for you. The 159 would be my preferred length for this board (I’m 6’0, 185lbs, size 10 boot) but for you, being 25lbs lighter, the 156 would also work well.
Certainly for carving, speed and in powder/backcountry, you’ll appreciate the 159. But for jumps, park and trees, you might prefer the 156. The 156 is going to be more agile at slower speeds and a little quicker edge to edge.
If I had to pick the best size for you, I’d say the 156 (depending on boot size) – but only just. I think the 159 is still a suitable size for you.
Hope this helps
Yeah sounds acceptable, thank you for your fast anwer nate
I think I´ll just gain a few pounds until winter then it fits perfectly 😉
Btw my boot size is 10.5 US
Greetings, Jonas
You’re very welcome Jonas. Hope you have an awesome season this winter! Yeah boot size should be good for the 159, IMO.
Hey Nate 🙂
I have a little question.
I ordered yesterday the last neversummer 2018 that i’ve found with a lower price. I ordered it in 159 (last board overall at this shop), so I had no choice to choose a size but I thought it will fit good (6′ , 163 lbs). But now i think its maybe too big, and not the ideal size. I ride over the whole mountain: carving, speed, jump everywhere i can, powder, sometimes I hit a few jumps in the park, and now and then through the trees.
So do you think it would be a better choie to order another board in a smaller size, or do you think the 159 west will work really good for me?
I’m coming from a k2 flat board 155..
Thank you
Greetings jonas 🙂
Hi Nate,
Fantastic reviews. Thanks!
I have a sizing question. I found a good price on a NS west 154. I’m wondering if that’s a good size for me. I’m just over 5’9, 153lbs, foot size 9. Angles +15/-15. What are your thoughts?
Thanks a lot! Naji
Hi Naji
I think the 154 would be the ideal size for you, for this board. It would be weighing up between the 154 and 156, but I think the 154 is better – and it also has a better width for 9s at +15/-15, IMO. So yeah, that would be the best size for you for the West, IMO.
Hey Mate,
I ordered the neversummer west in 160x but they sent me the 159. I’m 6 foot, 190 lbs and where a size 10.5 boot. Do you think I’ll be okay in that size. I’m just getting started snowboarding.
Thanks, Jason
Hi Jason
Thanks for your message.
In terms of length, I think the 159 will be a good length for you, given that you’ve just started snowboarding.
In terms of width, it will depend on a couple of different things.
If you ride with binding angles like +15/-15 or something like that, then I think you’ll be absolutely fine on the 159, or even anything that has your back foot (the back foot is always on the same or a lesser angle than the front foot) at least 9 degrees, then I think you’ll be ok. But if you ride with a really straight back foot, e.g. 0-6 degrees, then it would be pushing it to being too narrow.
The second factor is the profile of your boots. If you have low profile boots (e.g. recent Adidas, Burton, Ride and Vans), then you’ll prob be fine regardless of binding angle.
Hope this helps
Thanks a bunch for helping me along this journey Nate!
I found a pair of Ride Rook boots (11) at my local play it again sports so now I’m on to bindings. I’ve read all of your reviews and am still undecided. My problem is that I’m a beginner on an advanced board (NS West 159) and I’m confused about what binding to pair with it. My budget is around 200 bucks. I’m not gonna be doing anything crazy, just cruising mostly and my knees aren’t what they used to be so something that will help with the impact is important.
Thanks in advance
Jason
Hi Jason
Going with something around a 5/10 flex would probably be a good idea, IMO. Something that’s not too soft for the West (6/10 flex, IMO) but also not too stiff, as a beginner. I think that would be the best way to go in terms of flex. Certainly no more than 6/10.
Also, sounds like you’re looking for something with good shock absorption. That and considering your budget, I think the Union STR would be a good bet. Ideally, something with a canted footbed, which the STR doesn’t have (as a canted footbed helps to better align your hips, knees and ankles), would be better, but they aren’t typically found on bindings in that price range.
The Ride Revolt would be a good option (with canted footbed). It’s a little over the $200 mark, but if you can find a past season’s model in a Large, then you should be able to get it for less than $200 – or if you were willing to spend just a little more.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for the quick reply! What do you think about the Union contact pro as a possible match? 4/10 baseplate, 5/10 high back stiffness.
It might sound stupid but I think the camo would look killer on that board, Haha! Just not sure sure if they would be to “loose”.
Hi Jason
I think the Contact Pro is a good option as a beginner, but it’s not quite as good a fit for the West. Overall the feel of the Contact Pro is a 4/10 to me. It’s not way off and it won’t be completely wrong for the West, but ideally a little stiffer, if possible.
Great! Thank you for your input.
You’re very welcome Denny. Let me know what you go with in the end.
Nate,
I really appreciate your reviews. I’m an east coast intermediate rider (age 46), currently on an Academy Icon (rocker flat rocker). I’m looking for a new board next season. I mainly stick to the groomers but enjoy heading into the trees once in a while if conditions are good, never in the park. I basically like to link turns together down the mountain and am not what I would consider “aggressive.” Looking at the Capita Outerspace Living and the Never Summer West. I believe the Outerspace is more of a freestyle all mountain board, but I’m concerned that the West may be to stiff. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Hi Denny
Thanks for your message.
I wouldn’t consider the West overly stiff. I would say 6/10 in terms of flex – and I’ve heard others say they feel it softer than that. It is relatively aggressive in terms of its camber profile but not overly and the overall feeling from it isn’t aggressive, in my experience.
The Outerspace Living is what I would call an all-mountain-freestyle board, but that doesn’t necessarily make it unsuitable for what you’re describing. It’s a little softer than the West but not by a long way – 5/10 from I got from it.
I would say the West has better edge hold in ice than the Outerspace Living so in that sense might be better for your conditions if you see a lot of hard/icy conditions.
Hope this helps with your decision
Nate,
I’m just over 6’2″ and 200lbs. 40 years old. K2 size 11 boot. Been riding a Rossignol Krypto Magtek 164w for the last few years. Great on groomers but not as nimble as the rocker camber profiles like Lib tech and never summer on off groom and in powder. I demo’d a 165w lib tech skunk ape and loved it but found it a little slow edge to edge as it has a 26.8 waist. I recently bought a lib tech TRS 165 mid wide but am not liking it. The nose dives in the powder even with my bindings set back. I think I made a mistake buying a true twin as I have no interest in the park or any tricks to speak of. I ride steep groomers when off groom is no good…otherwise I’m searching for powder and medium tight tree runs. I’m looking for a quiver of one all mountain board. After much research now narrowed down to the Never Summer West and Maverix. Also the Lib tech Skunk Ape and Travis Rice Pro. Any other recommendations? It seems like with a size 11 boot I’m kind of in between standard/wide although I tend to lean toward wider as I like the stability and float of a bigger board although my whole key here is looking for something more nimble than my cambered Rossi board. Thank you so much for your advice!
Hi Kyle
Thanks for your message.
I think length-wise you’re in the right place around that 164, 165 mark and that seems to be your preference so that’s a good length to look at.
In terms of width I’d say anything from 254mm to 260mm at the waist if you have reasonable angle on your back binding (e.g. 12-15 degrees) or more like 260mm to 266mm if you have a straighter back foot (e.g. 0-6 degrees). But again personal preference is a thing here too.
I would cross the T Rice pro off the list – just that, like the TRS, it’s also a centered, twin board. Not the best for powder – and since you have experienced that with the TRS, I think that’s one we can pass on.
The Skunk Apes an option but getting on the wide side for you for sure – and since you’ve experience it feeling a little sluggish edge-to-edge that’s a thing too.
The West (164X) is definitely an option too – though something that’s also getting on the wide end of the range. Though it’s a little narrower at the waist (266mm vs 268mm on the Skunk Ape) it’s also a little wider tip and tail (310mm vs 307mm) though maybe a little narrower feel overall.
The Maverix is not a board that I’ve tried (hope to soon) so I couldn’t say first hand but based on specs, it could be a really good option. It’s likely to be better in powder, though maybe not quite so good on a carve and I like the size for you – the 163 has a 262mm waist and 299mm tail and 317mm nose – so it’s got a huge taper, whereas the West, and the Krypto you’re currently riding have no taper (i.e. the Tip and Tail are the same width). So that taper would be something to get used to, but it’s also one of the big reason’s why it would likely be better in powder. I’ve also read that it is quite quick edge to edge.
The Chairman is another Never Summer option – though a considerably stiffer one compared to the West and the Maverix, so it would depend if you wanted to go stiff (the Krypto is relatively stiff too). It’s better than the West in terms of powder, carving and for speed. But it’s also getting on the wider side – 267mm at the waist on the 165X with a 304mm nose and 300mm tail – so overall a little bit narrower than the West, a little less surface area, but still getting on the wider side for 11s, IMO. It has taper but much more subtle than the Maverix.
Another, slightly more left-field Never Summer option is the Insta/Gator – this is a board that you would typically size down for – so for you could size down as much as to the 156. This would be great for riding the trees, IMO, nice and nimble – but, although it is quite wide (265mm with a 303mm tail and 315mm nose), it’s still going to have less considerably less surface area for open, deep powder than something like the Maverix, West or Chairman.
There are of course other possibilities (but I could be here all day!) but if you still feel like there’s nothing here that’s really standing out, I’d be happy to look into some other options for you.
Hope this helps
Nate,
Thank you so much for the reply. I happened to ride a friend’s Never Summer West 159 last weekend that was visiting. I loved it! Super easy turning and felt stable on the groomers. We had 8″ of light Montana cold smoke powder with a firm layer underneath and it seemed to float nicely. I know the 162 would be even better. Really leaning toward the 162 West with the 25.6 waist. I wish I could ride a Maverix but they don’t have one to demo…just a Big Gun but I think that’s a different animal altogether. The 164 Chairman 2018 with ripsaw seems like it’s made for me on paper with the 25.7 waist. I know it’s stiff but like you said I’m pretty used to that from my krypto magtek. I was just wondering if moving down on the stiffness scale would make it more forgiving and more nimble in the trees which is the only time I feel sometimes challenged in quick turns. I agree that the 164x West is getting a little too wide. Do you think I’d be better off with the 162 length West to get that ideal waist width? Or go for the chairman for those perfect dimensions if I’m already used to a stiffer board? The maverix seems cool but I’m worried it may not have as much edge and wouldn’t be as stable on groomer days (or weeks as it sometimes goes!). Thank you again for your advice!
Hi Kyle
Awesome that you got a chance to try out the West. I agree that the 162 would be even better – and the width being just that subtle bit wider to be a little safer for 11s. But if you had no issues on the 159 in terms of drag or anything, then I would say going for something with a narrower width like that is a good way to go.
Yeah the Big Gun, is a bit of a different beast – it’s kind of like the Maverix (both part of what Never Summer call their “Shaper series”) in that it has that big taper but quite stiff like the Chairman. The Maverix is more like the stiffness of the West. Also the Big Gun is quite wide, even in the smallest size (I guess that’s why they call it the Big Gun!)
I think I would be leaning towards 162 West, partly because you’ve tried it and liked it, which is a good indication.
The Chairman 164 is of course still an option, if you felt like you’d like more stiffness and more length. But like you say, that slightly softer flex does give you more maneuverability, particularly at slower speeds, and the slightly shorter length of the 162 also gives you more nimbleness for the trees. And if you liked the 159, then I certainly don’t think the 162 would be too short.
Hope this helps with your decision.
Nate I truly appreciate your time and advice. Thank you so much. Think I’ll go with the West 162 with the determining factor being the softer flex and the little bit shorter length. Hopefully will still feel stable at speed but have the payoff in the nimble and quick turns at slower speed in the trees. Again, thank you so much!
You’re very welcome Kyle.
Hope you enjoy your new board!
torn between a 160x and 164x, 6’1 , 225 lbs and size 13 Burton ions, riding 30 years, last year was on a 162w jones flagship as everyday board. want a new go to board and travel quiver of 2 board{ other is a 160 ultracraft} that is more forgiving and playful than the flagship for most most big resorts , don’t ride the park but mainly groomers to off piste runs hunting for pow and trees in Tahoe and Utah, hitting natural features., rarely ride switch except for landing and taking off jumps, demoed a proto type 2 but want a directional.
based upon above which size would you recommend the 160x or the 164x… to be basically my daily driver
Hi Nev
Thanks for the message.
I think either size would work for you.
Usually, as an experienced ride, I’d say go with 164X and width-wise, I’d say it’s a safer bet for 13s – but you do have Burton’s which are low profile and since you haven’t had width issues on the Flagship, I think the 160X would be fine there.
And since you’re riding a 160 & 162 now, a 160 could work.
I’d say there are pros of going with each:
~ 160X would be a little quicker edge-to-edge/a little more agile overall, especially at slower speeds – better for the trees, better for spins, IMO. The 160X would also feel a little softer flexing
~ 164X would be better in terms of stability at speed, carving and better float in powder.
I think I’d be leaning towards 164X for you, but both would do the job.
Hope this helps
Nate,
I have been looking at the Never Summer West and just wanted to know what size you would recommend for me.
6″0″ 205 Size 11.5.
Thanks again!
Hi Justin
Generally speaking I’d put you on roughly a 163cm. With 11.5s, you’ll need to go wide. So, I think the 164X would be your best bet for the West. If you really like things shorter the 160X is an option – but on balance the 164X would be the best option. But here would be the pros and cons of each.
~ Pros of the 164X would be more float in powder, better for carving, more stability at speed and you would fit better with Never Summer’s weight recommendations.
~ Pros of the 160X would be more maneuverability at slower speeds and better for trees and freestyle riding (jibs, spins, butters etc)
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Thanks Nate, that’s exactly what I was looking for. I am more of a powder guy these days so that 164x should be perfect.
You’re very welcome Justin. Hope you enjoy your new board and have an awesome season!
Hi Nate,
Thank you for the many reviews! So far, I have not found any page that offers such a comprehensive and detailed market overview. After the complete working through of your homepage I am very interested in the West.
I’ve been driving the Chairman (164 from 2015 -> without Ripsaw) for the last three seasons and am now looking for a new board that should be a bit more playful without having to sacrifice edge hold and speed. I ride mostly steep fast groomers when conditions are crappie and try to ride off trail as much as possible. So I would like to know the difference between the West and the Chairman? In particular, I would be interested in how the West goes on ski trails (-> leading from one downhill slope to another, I don´t know the English word).
What size would you recommend to me (6′ 2″ 188 LB, size 10 boot)?
Thanks,
Dennis
Hi Dennis
Thanks for your message.
I think the West sounds like a good option for you. It’s going to be more playful than the Chairman – and since it has the Ripsaw Rocker, where the Chairman, pre 2018, had the Original Rocker Camber, that’s going to give it more in terms of carving and stability at speed, despite being softer flexing than the Chairman.
I’d say the between the older model Chairman and the new West that:
~ The Chairman has better float in powder
~ They’re both about the same in terms of speed (the West is softer, which makes it not as good at speed, but has the camber profile to make up for it compared pre-2018 Chairman)
~ The West is better for carving, IMO.
If we we’re comparing the new Chairman, however, then it beats the West for Speed, Carving and Powder. But the West is still more playful and better for things like jumps, riding switch and that sort of thing.
In terms of size, the 162 would be your best bet, IMO. I would say that’s bang on for your specs. You would be sizing down a little bit from your Chairman, but I think you’ll find that ok. This is assuming you mean a US size 10 boot. If you mean a UK11, then you’ll probably still be fine on the 162 – especially given that it’s going to be similar in width to your 164 Chairman, and if you’ve had no problems there then you’re not likely to have any problems width-wise on the 162 West.
If by ski trails, you mean cat tracks, then the West will be fine. If you mean like flat sections, then again, I think you’ll be fine on the West. It has a fast enough base to handle that.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the review tit really helps know more about the board.
I have the West in my radar and ready to pull the trigger on one. But I am torn about the size I should get.
I am 6’1”, 180 pounds without gear, size 12 boots. Advanced level. I currently ride a vintage 2001 Rossignol Pro 157 wide. Stiff all mountain freeride board.
I hesitate between the 160x and 164X. According to size chart i ccould go either way but the 164X may be a better fit (I would be in the middle of the weight range) but I am concern about the length and maneuverability, although float would be superior to the 160X. As for the 160X my concern is tthe board could feel a bit too soft and less flaoty but it has the advantage of quicker turns.
I like to ride powder when possible, groomers, trees, carve, medium jumps.
Does 4mm makes a big difference on that kind of board ?
Ideally I should demo them but for now I don’t have the option
Thanks for your advice !
Hi Omar
Thanks for your message.
You’ve hit on a lot of the differences the sizes would make in terms of maneuverability, quick turns, float in powder. And yeah you could really go with either one, so it’s a tough decision.
So, as you’ve pointed out the 164X would give you more float in powder. It’s also going to be more stable at high speeds.
However, if it was me I think I would be leaning towards the 160X as I feel this is going to be better in trees, more maneuverable and for my tastes I would prefer it for small to medium jumps, particularly if you are going to be adding in any spins there. If you were doing super large jumps, then maybe going a little longer would give you a more stable landing platform, but to be honest the landing platform on the 160X is going to be stable enough for you for you for larger jumps, IMO, and certainly for medium jumps. And I think you would prefer the 160X for jump approach and just that bit easier to pop.
Coming from a 157W, also, it’s going to feel like less of a transition going to 160X than up to 164X.
The 160X will feel softer than the 164X, so that would take more of an adjustment coming from a stiff early 2000s board.
4cm doesn’t make a reasonable difference. I have tested boards (the same board but different length) that are just 2cm difference and I definitely noticed the difference there – it was subtle but still definitely noticeable – so I would imagine the 4cm difference here would make an even more noticeable difference.
The other thing to think about is bindings. If you are riding your 2001 Rossi Pro with bindings that are just as vintage, then it would be a good idea to change bindings too. Just from some comments I’ve received, matching new gear with considerably older gear doesn’t tend to work all that well.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey, thanks for making these reviews, they’re super helpful. Currently ride Arbor Westmark Rocker 153 for playing around on smaller MI “mtns” and occasional trips to CO resorts. I want more stability/speed on groomers and want to get more backcountry/pow riding in, so this seemed like a great fit.
I assume this is a stiffer board. Combined with the cambered sections and slight directional shape, I’m wondering if the 154 would be a good size, or if I should be sizing up? I’m 5 10″ 160lb.
Thank you!
Hi Chad
Thanks for your message.
Arbor isn’t a brand I demo so I couldn’t say for sure, but based on what others say about its flex, I’d say that the Westmark Rocker and NS West have about the same flex – around 6/10 for flex. However, the Westmark Rocker is an all-rocker board and the West has a good amount of camber in it (with some rocker between the feet). In my experience boards with more camber tend to feel a little stiffer on snow, even if they feel the same to flex in hand. So I couldn’t say for sure, but my guess is that the West will feel slightly stiffer.
And besides all of that, I’d say the West would definitely have it over the Westmark Rocker in terms of powder, speed and carving. With the Westmark being more playful, better for switch and just generally more freestyle oriented (though you can definitely still ride freestyle on the West, it’s a very versatile board). So, I think it would still be a good addition to your quiver.
In terms of size, I think that the 156 would be a better size for you, assuming you are at least an intermediate rider. It will be a better fit for this board for your specs, it would be a bigger contrast to your current board – so will give you even more in terms of powder, speed and carving that the 154 would and that’s the size I would recommend for your height/weight anyway.
Overall, I think the West (the 156cm) would be a great fit for what you’re describing and a good addition for your quiver.
Hope this helps
I appreciate it, happy new year!
You’re very welcome Chad. Happy new year to you too and happy riding!
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the awesome review.
I have a sizing question. I’m 5’11 and 225 lbs. Looking at the sizing guide I need at least a 162. Since I’m not that tall, my question is if I drop down to around 200 lbs, do you think 162 will be too much board?
Thanks!
Aaron
Hi Aaron
I don’t think 162 would be too much board at 200lbs. I think 162 would be ok for you now, and still be good if you dropped to 200. But that said, if you don’t think you’ll be comfortable with that length, then you don’t have to go that length if you don’t want to – it’s personal preference as well as other factors.
Also, since you’re coming from a 158, and from quite a soft flexing, easy going board, going to 159 in the West isn’t necessarily a bad idea. It would be an easier transition than going to the 162. It’s more board in terms of flex as it is and in terms of the camber profile, so that plus going up 4cm would be a reasonable step up.
So, you could go 162, but if you think you’ll be more comfortable on the 159, there’s an argument that that’s the better size for now. Of course it would out you above weight recommendations, but I don’t think of those as hard and fast rules, but more as guidelines.
Hope this helps
Also, depending on your boot size and binding angles, the 160W might be a better bet. If you can let me know those things, then I can take a look to see if that’s the better option
Thanks for the help, I’m definitely leaning towards the 159.
My boot is 10.5 and I usually angle my bindings 15 in front and 12 in the back.
Hi Aaron
The 159 (254mm waist width) will be a good fit for 10.5s and those binding angles, IMO. Just right.
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the awesome review.
I
I have a sizing question. I’m 5’10” and 225 lbs. All I’ve ever riden is a 158 Burton Clash. Do you think a 162 will be too much for my height? Especially if I drop down to around 200 lbs?
Thanks for the help!
Aaron
Hi Nate!
I am wondering this board Never Summer West!
Could you tell me do i have a chance to use NS West 162 NO wide board with my sizing 185 lbs 6.0′ boots size 12 (Burton Ruler). I don’t want carving , just speed and stable on snow track and powder, no parks .
Thank you very much!
Hi Alexander
Even if you aren’t carving, I think the 162 will be too narrow for size 12s – even with Burton boots that have a low profile. For the NS West, I think the 160X would be the best size for you.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I was looking at the ripsaw compared the the west really only becuase everything I read points me towards those two boards. I am 6’0 225, I like to ride fast most of the time and also like making quick turns. I’m an experienced rider out east and have been riding a k2 turbo dream 160 wide for 5 seasons and it’s completely worn out. I plan on going out west a few times this season so was unsure about how much of a “powder” board I needed. To make a long story short I’m not dead set on either board and would like to know given my riding style and my weight what would be the best board for me to ride. I have no price range and love a good quality product. I like the forgiveness of the turbo dream I have but it’s slow to turn and gets very chattery at high speeds (don’t want to catch any edges).
Sorry by “slow to turn” I mean the carving ability is more or less not existent. i can whip the turbo dream and would be willing to sacrifice that some if it means I can dig in at high speeds. I have a size 12/13 shoe.
Hi Zach
I think you’ll definitely notice an improvement in carving, stability at speed and a little quicker edge to edge on either of those compared to the Turbo Dream. And they’re certainly not catchy in my experience, so you should be fine in that department.
You’d loose a little bit in terms of powder compared to the Turbo Dream – but not too much in terms of the West – you’d loose a little more in that department on the Ripsaw.
The biggest differences between the West and the Ripsaw, IMO, are that:
1. The Ripsaw is stiffer (medium stiff or 7/10, maybe even 8/10) compared to the medium flex (6/10) of the West
2. The Ripsaw is centered and a true twin and the West is setback 20mm and has a directional shape
So I’d say that the West is a bit more forgiving overall and better in powder. So I think from what you’re describing it would be the best bet for you. The Ripsaw is a little bit more freestyle oriented.
I’d say that the 164X is probably the best size for you, but if you wanted to stick with the same size as your current board, if you’re comfortable with that, then the 160X would also work.
If you did decide to go for the Ripsaw, I think the 163X but again you could go 160X if you wanted to keep your length consistent.
Hope this helps
Yes thanks a lot man!!! I want to commit to the west I was just worried with my weight and aggressive riding it my be a little flimsy. Would it be safe to say it is a stiffer ride than the turbo dream? also what’s the give and take from the 160x Vs 164x west……any other possible suggestions on boards I could look at? sounds like you’ve ridden most of them. Awesome site btw it’s nice to see someone with the knowledge you have reaching out to answer questions. You da man!
Thanks Zach! – and you’re very welcome.
I would say that the West is a touch stiffer than the Turbo Dream – but not by too much. I’d say 5/10 for Turbo Dream and 6/10 for West in terms of how they feel on snow.
The West has a good bit of camber in it – so that really helps with laying down carves and for speed – and makes it a more aggressive ride than something like the Turbo dream. So even though it’s not that much stiffer, it’s got more of an aggressive feel to it – without being overly aggressive though.
The difference between going 164X and 160X would be, IMO:
1. The 164X would have a bit more stability at speed and float in powder than the 160X
2. The 160X will feel a little quicker edge-to-edge and be more agile at slower speeds
3. The 164X will probably feel a bit better on wide arcing carves but the 160X better for tighter quicker turns
4. The 164X will feel slightly stiffer overall than the 160X
If you wanted to check out some other options, and haven’t already check out the list at the following link: ]
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Nate,
Any specific binding you might recommend to pair with this board, looking specifically at Flux and Union? I have had Burton Cartels and Rome 390 and Targas in the past – looking to try something different. I typically ride bowls, trees, groomers if there’s no freshies, but prefer to ride off trail. No park, pipe, jibs, or butters. I assume from what you’ve posted above that this board is good for laying down carves but is also quick enough edge to edge to take in the trees. I wear a size 11.5 boot and weigh 250lbs. Was thinking 164X? Figured the 168X would probably not be conducive to quick turns needed for tree runs… 160X – too small?
Thanks!
Hi Anthony
Thanks for your message.
In terms of Flux and Union, any of the following would be suitable for pairing up with the West. I think going for something mid-stiff to get that bit more response might be a good way to go for you, given how you describe your riding – and also for your size – but I’ve included a couple of medium flex options there too.
~ Union Force (mid-stiff flex)
~ Union Atlas (mid-stiff flex)
~ Union Falcor (mid-stiff flex)
~ Union Ultra (mid-flex) – if you have a large budget
~ Flux DS (mid-flex)
~ Flux TM (mid-stiff flex)
~ Flux XF (mid-stiff flex)
In terms of length for the West, I would say that 164W should be fine. It would give you more maneuverability in the trees over the 168X. I think the 160X would likely be too small for you – but if you could also let me know your height, then I could give a more accurate recommendation. It is mostly down to weight though and assuming you’re at least 5’11”, then the 160X is going to be too small, IMO.
Hope this helps.
Hi, thanks for the Long answer
I think it will be between The West and The Greats.
My Boots are 43 1/3 Eu 9.5 Us Salomon Launchs.
I only ride pow in the resort so no backcountry Tours etc.
But when there is pow i definetly enjoy it ans Ride it as often as possible. Will that be doable with the Greats? If Not i think it will be The West even though switch riding is going to be harder.
I also Need new bindings ans i was thinking about the 2017 Burton Genesis reflex?
Would they be a good Match?
Any other bindings you would recommend?
Hey
First of all, yeah the Genesis ReFlex would be a great match for either of those boards. If you want other options check out the link below, but yeah Genesis would be a great match.
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
You can definitely ride the Greats in powder. You can ride any board in powder (especially if it’s not that deep), and the Greats definitely isn’t the worst board I’ve ridden in powder – but I did find in really deep stuff you had to make a concerted effort to keep your nose from diving in.
The West is just a bit more effortless when it comes to powder – but yeah the Greats has it over the West for riding switch for sure. You can also check out my Greats review for more details on that board, if you want.
>>YES Greats Review
Ok thank you.
I‘m going with the Greats
We almost never get deep stuff in the alps ( 20-30cm at best)
Thank you for all your help!
You ans your Site are amazing!
You’re very welcome. Enjoy the Greats! Love that board.
Hi,
would the West 152 (16-17) be a good fit for me?
im 16 yo 145 lbs 1,80 m height and been riding for 6 years.
mostly racing down groomers and hitting the sidehits
im a little scared that because im still growing i won’t be able to ride the board in 2 years but there is a great offer atm?
sry for my bad english 😀
Hi
Thanks for your message.
I think the 152cm is going to be too small for you already – and if you’re growing it’s going to become even more too small. I would say the 154 would be a better choice and even the 156 would be doable – but I think the 154cm is a good choice for you at this stage. You will have to upgrade at some point – in a couple of years probably since you are growing, but you can always sell the board second hand before you get a new one. I know it sounds like you can get a good deal on the 152cm but I think that’s really too small for you already.
Hope this helps
Thank you for answering.
I won‘t be able to afford the 154 because its only available in the 2018 Version and costs 750€ here.
Are there ihrer good options?
The 153 Ripsaw maybe although im scared that it is too stiff and aggressive because i still want to do butters ans presses when riding with my my little Brother. Also im scared that the transition from a Kids Board (142 Flat Rocker) is too Crazy
Other options would be the yes the greats, jones Mountain twin or Burton tricky pony.
What are your recommendations
Hey
I think the YES Greats and Jones Mountain Twin would be good alternatives. Only thing with the YES Greats, is that you’d sacrifice a bit of powder performance compared with the Never Summer West (more of an all-mountain-freestyle board as opposed to all-mountain). The Mountain Twin would be the most similar to the West.
The only reason I don’t say the Trick Pony is that it’s a little more aggressive and there’s not a lot of rocker in the profile – which might be a more difficult transition from what you’re used to.
And yeah Ripsaw probably a bit aggressive/stiff at this stage i would say.
Though now that you mention you’re coming from a 142 flat to rocker, I’m no longer against the 152cm 16/17 West. Going too much longer might be a lot to get used to. The only thing I’d want to be careful about is the width of it. What is your boot size? Just want to make sure the 152 West wouldn’t be too narrow.
In terms of the Mountain Twin, I think that would be a great board for you to transition to as well. And given the new information the 151cm might be your best bet. Though the 154cm is an option too. Again, I’d want to check your boot size before making a final call on those sizes.
In terms of the YES Greats, if you weren’t too worried about the powder thing, then I would stick to the 152 (I would have even said that before for this board – it has a long effective edge for it’s length so it would feel more like a 154 or 155 anyway. Again, I’d want to double check for width first though.
Hi Nate,
Just wanted to thank you for the comprehensive reviews. I’ve found your site to be a great resource while I summer shop for discounted gear. Just picked up a brand new West at basically half price. Taking it out to Mammoth this weekend…stoked!
Hey Jordan. Thanks for your message.
Awesome that you were able to get the West at such a good price – and even better that you get to test it out in July! What a sweet season that it’s still going in some places! Enjoy.
Hi Nate,
I’m having trouble deciding between going for a NS West 160X I can get a deal on now or waiting for a 164X next year.
I’d consider myself a stronger intermediate rider looking for a more playful ride for buttering on flats and something that turns quicker in tight tree runs and moguls than my T Rice Pro C2 164.5W
What would be your advice?
I’m 6’5″, 215 Lbs and wear size 14 boots.
Thanks!
Hi Hank
I wouldn’t say that the 160X would necessarily be too short for you – given that you want something more nimble for between the trees and more playful for buttering. The smaller size would help with those aspects. My biggest concern would be the width. The 160X has a 263mm waist width. This is pushing it as being too narrow for size 14s – even if you have low profile boots. The 164W would give you that bit more leeway with the 266mm waist width.
That said, what is the waist width on your Travis Rice Pro 164.5W. I know they now make it in a 164.5MW (262mm waist) and a 164.5W (267mm waist width). If yours has a 262mm waist and you’ve never had any issue with toe or heel drag, then you should be fine on the West 160X width-wise.
I would say that the West would definitely be an improvement for buttering and will be a little quicker edge-to-edge and better on moguls (even the 164X and especially the 160X) so I think you’re on the right track there. The main concern I would have would be over the width.
The other thing to consider is that because you’re probably a little above the weight guidelines for the 160X is that the board will feel a little softer underfoot than it’s stated flex. You wouldn’t be way over so it would only be subtle – and might be a good thing if that softer more buttery feel is what you’re going for.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision.
I’m looking at the NS West board… I’m 6’2 215pounds. What size would you recommend?
Hi James
I think the 164X would be the best size for you – but that would be assuming that you had boots that are size 11.5 or up. If you have boots that are size 10.5 or below, then I would say go for 162.
If you could let me know your boot size, then I could give you a more accurate recommedndation. Also if you can let me know roughly your ability level. This is on the assumption that you are an advanced and up rider.
Hi nate,
I am currently trying to decide between the ns west and lib tech skunk ape. I am a big guy at 6’4″ 235 lbs. I ride mostly steep fast groomers when conditions are crappie and try to ride off trail as much as possible. My main question would be how well they compare at speed with a big guy throwing all his weight at them. The west seems great, but I am concerned it’s too soft. I know it’s hard to get the best of both worlds (between uneven softer terrain and carving hard terrain) but between the skunk ape and west, which would be better suited?
Thanks,
Josh
Hey Josh
For you I’d go Skunk Ape. That board is made for big guys. It only comes in wide sizes and I think that board is basically made with big guys in mind.
I think the West is probably slightly better in powder and carving but they’re both the same at speed – and both pretty good. But the West won’t be as good at handling the weight in my opinion which will negate some of its advantages – and also I think the Skunk Ape will be better for speed for you overall because it has a bit of extra stiffness over the West.
I think the 169W would be a good fit for you for the Skunk Ape.
If you do go with the West I’d go 168.
If you prefer a slightly shorter board than that, then you could also go with the 165W in the Skunk Ape but I wouldn’t go any smaller than the 168 with the West.
This is all on the assumption that you have somewhere between size 11.5 and size 13.0 boots. If you have boots that are like 14+, then the Skunk Ape does also have a 170UW (ultra-wide).
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate,
Excellent review. I have commented before and I almost purchased the never summer chairman but I think this might be a better option. Can you provide a quick summary on what you believe the differences to be?
I want something versatile that can be very fast and excellent at carving but also a board well suited for those powders days. My biggest concern would be a Board performing in icing conditions (I want a nice strong edge) as well as choppy tracked powder. I don’t hit the park at all, maybe a few jumps here and there but that’s all. I love steep groomers and when the snow is right, those tree lines. My concern was the chairman was maybe too aggressive and less versatile when compared to the West and honestly this seems to be getting excellent reviews.
6′ 2″ 185 LB, size 12 boot
Let me know your thoughts Man! Thanks!
Kevin
Hi Kevin
In terms of powder the Chairman would have it over the West – but the West I think is a slightly better carver.
The chairman is definitely stiffer and more aggressive and will be a bit better with speed. But the West is still good at riding at speed.
In terms of edge-hold in icy snow both boards are quite good – the same as each other. That wouldn’t be the best out there, but up there.
The West will be better for those chopped up weekend afternoons for sure.
The West is a little quicker from edge to edge I would say, so might be a little better in the trees.
The West will also be better with jumps and riding switch – though that may not be a big factor for you. It will definitely be more versatile overall than the Chairman.
Another option is the Niche Story.
It has great edge-hold in icy conditions – better than the Chairman and West, in my opinion.
It’s also faster from edge to edge.
Better than the West in powder.
Maybe not quite as good with carving but very little in it. But a little bit at higher speeds, though only marginally. It’s a little bit stiffer than the West but it doesn’t feel overly aggressive and doesn’t have an aggressive side cut or camber profile.
All the story’s sizes are mid-wide/wide so you’d fine on it in your size 12s. I’d say the 162 would be your best bet for the story, in terms of length. 160 for the West, I’d say.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate:
Thanks for the comprehensive review. I have been interested in the NS West due its more versatile capabilities, but I was wondering your opinion of this board for a very large guy. I am 6’5” tall and weigh 235 lbs. I learned on and have always rode stiff wide boards with regular camber like a Burton Custom and currently a Ride Yukon. I mainly freeride, but do a lot of hard charging mogul runs as I am generally with skiers. I am curious if you think this softer flex board (6/10) would hold up to the pounding of someone my size.
Also, I am curious about your general thoughts about board types for use in moguls. I generally do not see many boarders on the moguls here in Colorado and I never see discussion of mogul boarding in any of the board reviews that I have read online. I know it is heresy for most boarders, but there is actually a small cult of us here that actually specialize in and love the moguls. Anyway, I would greatly appreciate your thoughts and opinions. Thanks.
Hi Matt
I can’t say I’m an expert on moguls but I do try to take most boards I demo through some if I find them – but hey, definitely no reason why you can’t snowboard moguls regularly – that’s the great thing about it, there are no hang ups on what you can and can’t do – so definitely not heresy! If you love it, do it!
Based on what I’ve found, I do find that slightly softer boards can be easier through the moguls, in general I like a softer board for bumpy uneven terrain. With stiffer boards I prefer to try and kind of float over the bumps, if that makes sense. But with moguls, I’m guessing you want to really hug them and ride with them. Like I say I’m no expert but I suspect that something slightly softer – but not too soft because you don’t want to compromize on your response – might be better for moguls.
So I think the West could be suitable if you’re looking for a more versatile ride that might even be little better in the moguls (theory only), though I’d say it would take a little bit of getting used to compared to what you are used to riding.
I’m not sure what you’re used to riding but for your height/weight, but I’d say go with the 164W if you do go with the West. I’m guessing that you have boots over a size 11.0 based on your height. In which case you’ll definitely want to stick with a wide board.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate, great reviews mate. Been reading up online and I like the info you provide here.
I’m having trouble deciding between the NS West and the NS Proto Type Two for the upcoming season. Keep going back and forth. I was leaning a bit more towards the West, as it seems to be bit better in powder, and I’m hoping to ride quite a bit back country this year. What would be your thoughts on the major differences of both? Would proto hold up in backcountry well?
Cheers
Hey Casey
Thanks man. The West would be better in the backcountry. It’s better for the powder. The Proto Type Two is an “all-mountain-freestyle” (a darn good one, IMO) board in my books where I would class the West as “all-mountain”. The Proto will be better at jumps and spins and for riding switch and they both probably carve just as well as each other on hard pack.
But the West is better in powder and if you’re hoping to see a fair bit of it, then that will be your better option. If you like to still do jumps and ride a bit of switch then the West can still definitely do that – just not as well as the Proto.
Both really nice boards but the West is better in powder so probably more suited to your purposes.
Hope this helps.
Does the West have enough space to center your stance relative to the board if you have a narrow stance?
Hi Joseph
Thanks for your message.
It would depend on how narrow your stance is and what length West you went with. But certainly you should be able to move the back foot 20mm towards the center of the board which would center the stance and would make your stance 20mm narrower than the reference stance.
Purchased this board, it lived up to everything it said it was, rides great very responsive, awesome graphics. I just enjoyed ridding it in all conditions. One set back with the board almost after ever day of ridding it went to the tune up shop for a base repair, the ptex on this board is very thin and the base can not take to much before you see wood.
Hey Jesse
Thanks for the input. Good to know about the base on the NS West. I only get the chance to ride boards for anywhere from a few hours to a few days so it’s hard to judge the base. However, I did ride the West for 4 days and didn’t notice any issues with the base over that time. Shame that yours has needed that many repairs. This might be an issue with your particular board – have you tried talking to Never Summer about it?