Hello and welcome to my Burton Cartel bindings review. This is for the Re:Flex version of the Cartels.
In this review I will take a look at the Cartel Re:Flex as all-mountain snowboard bindings.
As per tradition here at SnowboardingProfiles.com I will give the Cartel Re:Flex a score out of 100 (based on several factors) and see how they compare with other all-mountain bindings.
Overall Rating
Bindings: Burton Cartel Re:Flex
Price: $279 (USD recommended retail)
Style: All-Mountain
Flex Rating: Medium
Flex Feel: Medium (5.5/10)
Rating Score: 86.0/100
Compared to other Men’s All-Mountain Bindings
Of the 25 current model aggressive all-mountain snowboards that we tested:
❄️ The Cartel ranked 5th out of 25
Overview of the Cartel’s Specs
Check out the tables for the Cartel’s specs and available sizes.
Specs
STYLE:
ALL-MOUNTAIN
PRICE:
$279 - BUYING OPTIONS
$279 - BUYING OPTIONS
Ability Level:
flex:
weight:
Felt normal
Mounts to:
2x4 | 4x4 | Channel
Sizing
SIZE | US BOOT SIZE | EURO BOOT SIZE | UK BOOT SIZE |
|---|---|---|---|
S | 6-8 | 38-41 | 5-7 |
M | 8-11 | 41-44 | 7-10 |
L | 10+ | 43+ | 9+ |
Who are the Cartel Most Suited To?
The Cartel are best suited to anyone looking for a really good all-round mid-flexing binding that also comes in at a very reasonable price for what you're getting.
Matches best with boards in that 4/10 to 7/10 range, but particularly good for the 5/10 to 6/10 range.
Not for beginners, unless you're quite strong/athletic or a bigger person, but should be fine for anyone lower intermediate and up.
The Cartel in More Detail
O.k. let’s take a more detailed look at what the Cartel are capable of.
Demo Info
Bindings: Burton Cartel 2024, Medium
Date: February 16, 2023
Conditions
Snowing but visibility still pretty good. 75-80% visibility.
Temp: 26°F (-3°C) and 18°F (-8°C) with wind chill. 15mph (24kph) winds.
24 hour snow: 2" (5cm)
48 hour snow: 2" (5cm)
7 day snow: 6" (15cm)
On groomer: Nice. Hard packed but enough of a layer of fresh to make it real nice but still quite fast. Snow was quite light/dry.
Off groomer: Dust on crust to an extent but with quite a bit of dust! So pretty decent.
Set Up
Bindings angles: +15/-15
Stance Width: 555mm (22”)
Board tested with: Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker
Boots tested with: Adidas Response ADV, size US9.5
Footbed length: 23.3cm (9.2”)
Footbed Length Fully Extended: 24.9cm (9.8")
Baseplate Length (underside): 22.4cm (8.8")
Highback Height: 19.8cm (7.8”)
Weight: 860 grams (1lbs, 14oz)
* for one binding, including screws and disc. The average weight of a small sample size of around 80 bindings (2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 & 2024 models) I have weighed is 920 grams (2lbs). So the Cartel are pretty close to average on the scales, just a little lighter. On snow they felt pretty normal weight-wise.
Flex
In Hand: A bit of twist, but not ultra twisty. Can twist easier than Malavita. Not heaps in it, but noticeable still. Straps are a little stiffer on the Cartel vs Malavita though. Toe straps on the Cartel feel about the same as on Malavita.
On snow: Overall felt about the same as the Malavita (my control bindings), you can feel that they are a little stiffer in terms of connection with the board, than the Malavita, but they're softer in the highback. Very subtle though and overall they end up being a similar flex, but with a slightly different overall feel. If I had to say, I'd say these might have been a hair softer than the Malavita, but nothing in it really.
Responsiveness
As you'd expect, the responsiveness feels fairly similar to the Malavita. But I would say these felt just a hair better for slow speed response and a hair worse for carving at higher speeds, but again, a very subtle difference.
Board Feel/Butterability
I found the Cartel were really good in terms of board feel and pressability, but weren't quite as good as the Malavita. But again, there's so little in it. It's a subtle difference.
Pop/Ollie Power
I found them very similar to the Malavita again and generally really good. Again, if I had to say, I'd say the Malavita were a little better, but a close thing.
Adjustability
Heel Cup: No
Stance Width: Pretty limited. No real micro adjustments with the Re:Flex disc - you're limited to adjusting a full insert hole out or in (except when on the channel, of course).
Highback Lean: Yes and toolless.
Ankle Strap Position: Yes, 2 different positions (previous Cartel's had 3 positions).
Toe Strap Position: Yes, 2 positions.
Ankle and toe strap length: Tool-less.
Gas pedal/toe ramp extension: Yes, you can extend the toe ramp.
Highback Rotation: Yes and can rotate it quite a bit - about a 3.5cm range.
Compatible with: 2 x 4 | 4 x 4 | The Channel
Shock Absorption
This is where I noticed some difference to the Malavita. The Cartel's shock absorption is really good, but it is a step down from the Malavita.
Comfort
Again, a step down from Malavita, but still really comfortable overall.
Ankle Strap: I found these conformed to my boots really well and no pressure points.
Toe Strap: Ditto.
Canted Footbed: Not that was obvious. If there is it must be very subtle.
Padded Footbed: Decent padding in footbed.
Highback: Good amount of padding, but no hammock back on it or anything. But the main thing is no calf-bite at all.
Ankle Support
Felt about the same as my Malavitas in terms of ankle support. Good support but nothing outstanding. Has 2 different ankle strap positions - but not the 3 that it used to have.
Entry/Exit
The ankle strap was pretty smooth ratcheting up and removing, but not quite Malavita smooth. But all good. I found the toe strap to be a little sticky. Though, it didn't effect me releasing it to get out of bindings, so wasn't a big thing for me.
Score Breakdown and Final Verdict
Check out the breakdown of the score in the table below.
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
CARVING | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
SLOW SPEED RESPONSE | 4.0 | 12/15 |
BOARD FEEL | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.0 | 12/15 |
COMFORT | 4.0 | 8/10 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 4.0 | 8/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 86/100 |
The Cartel are the kind of binding that you'd expect to pay a little more for. They're a really good quality binding in a flex range that is typically priced a bit higher.
They aren't outstanding in any one area, but they are good for everything and don't have any weaknesses that I could detect.
More Info, Current Prices and Where to Buy Online
If you want to learn more about the Cartel, or are ready to buy or want to research availability and prices, check out the links below.
If you want to check out some other all mountain binding options or compare the Cartel to other all mountain bindings check out the next link.
O.k. let’s take a more detailed look at what the Cartels are capable of.
Hey Nate. I am pretty happy with my Cartels… except the stance width adjustment. I can center them on my 156 cm Dynamo at either 22″ or 20.5″. Both feel fine depending on binding angles (duck vs. +/+), but I’d really like to try 21.25″. I can do this by shifting the back foot towards the tail, but then I am set back an additional 0.4″. I feel like this might be fine generally – but am I missing out by not trying a more adjustable binding?
Hi Garrett
Thanks for your message and apologies for the slower than usual response. Flat-out testing gear at the moment!
Yeah, it’s one of the biggest downside of Burton’s Re:Flex bindings, unfortunately. More setback on the Dynamo should be fine and it’s not a huge increase in setback. I would try it and if it feels good, then I’d go with it rather than buying new bindings, when you’re otherwise happy with them. Particularly if you’re not doing any or much in terms of spins, butters, switch and the likes, then I don’t think going with that little bit more setback will negatively affect your ride.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks, Nate! I’ll try out the slight setback stance. I can always go back to the 22″ reference stance on the days I might want to ride switch.
You’re very welcome Garrett. And yeah, for sure, you can always go back to that when you want to. Happy riding!
Hi. I tested the stance yesterday. No problems – felt fine.
Hey Garrett. Thanks for the update and good to hear the stance went well for you.
Hi,
Just a small comment regarding different year models is that from year model 2020 onwards re:flex Cartels are deployed with combo discs which allows them to be fitted to both channel and 4×4 boards using the same disc. Before that you had to have dedicated channel disc for Burton’s channel boards.
Hey PJ
Thanks for adding that. Yeah, all Burton bindings come with the combo disc now, great point. I had Malavitas later than 2020s that came with the 2 discs, but the most recent Cartels I tried (review to be updated) came with the combo disc – and pretty sure all their Re:Flex bindings do now, which is nice just having to have that one disc, for sure.
Hi Nate! I was just wondering if you could help me decide should I go with Cartel M or L for 10.5 boots on Yes Typo 159W? It is just like a neverending story for 10.5 size regarding gear 😉
Hi Marko
Thanks for your message. Yeah tricky with 10.5s for some of these things. I think you’ll get the better boot fit with the M Cartel with 10.5s – so long as your boots aren’t too bulky. The L would be a better fit on the board (in terms of giving you a touch more leverage with the longer baseplate) but I would prioritize boot fit, so I’d be leaning M (again, assuming your boots aren’t too bulky).
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I’m contemplating between the cartels and the union strata/force and i’m really torn. I’m an intermediate rider still working on my game so i’d think a binding with less lateral play like the cartel would be ideal but every one i know recommends the union strata as if it’s the holy grail of snowboard binding. So would the force be the happy medium? I mostly ride resort, on some of the worst groomed runs known to men and occasionally dive into the trees. As much as i love powder it’s few and far in between here on the coast. I will be pairing the bindings with my capita mercury board if it helps. I’d love to hear your take on which binding to choose. Thanks!
Hi Jason
I think I’d be leaning towards the Force in this case. I think it’s got that extra response to drive the Mercury, which the Mercury needs, IMO. The Cartel and Strata would work with the Mercury for sure, but I think the Force would just give you that little more. If you were doing more freestyle stuff, then I’d be more inclined to suggest the Strata (and don’t get me wrong, they’d still certainly work for what you’re describing), but without much freestyle and wanting more lateral rigidity, the Force is probably your better bet. IMO you could more lateral play out of the Cartel vs the Force, too.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Thank you so much for all your insights, but damn you for it also: once I start reading it’s hard to put the tablet away…
I have an old (but well cared for) Custom 162 (2003!) that still has lots of pop in it left. And an equally old Rush 160. Both boards come out of the shed on a regular basis, but both are in need of a tune up in terms of bindings (Custom has Mission GT, Rush has Freeride). What would you recommend for a 50 year old boarder who loves all mountain, powder, jibbing, but it’s getting too old for big jumps and the park? I’d love to pick your brain on bindings out there today …
Hi Arjan
Thanks for your message.
Given how you describe your riding and the boards you’re riding, I think I would be looking at something in the 6/10 to 7/10 flex range. Something from one of the following should work well:
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Thought I’m not that familiar with the Rush, so not sure how stiff it is.
Just also be careful with the compatibility. I’m guessing older Burton boards like that have the 3D mounting system? Even with new burton bindings you need to get a separate disc to mount to it. They do have the disc but you have to order it separately. Other brands you might need to do more digging to make sure they’re compatible with 3D. This might help but the safe bet with a 3D insert board would be to go Burton bindings, as they should still have compatible discs readily available.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for taking the time to answer.
I think the Custom rates as a 6/10 and the Rush as 7/10. And you are right: I’d better stick with Burton bindings as both boards indeed have the 3D system.
Do you think the Cartel bindings would pair up with the Custom nicely? And the Cartel X? Or is there latter too stiff for the Custom? Or would you lean more towards the Genesis for the Custom? Did you ever test the Cartel X with a newer model Custom?
The Cartel X would make a nice combo with the Rush, right?
I just got back from the slopes in Axams (Austria) … really nice, but definitely need to upgrade my bindings …
I am amazed with the amount of insights you provide, thank you so much for making the jungle of snowboard gear a lot clearer for us lesser gods …
Hi Arjan
I think the Custom X would work really well with the Rush if it’s a 7/10 flex – and I think it would still work with the Custom. The Cartel would work with both as well, but I would be leaning Custom X, because I think it would be a good match on the Custom still – and the Cartel not as good a match for the Rush. Cartel X not too stiff for the Custom, IMO but the Cartel on the softer side for the Rush. I haven’t tested the Cartel X specifically with the Custom, but I’d say it should go well. I tested the Cartel X (EST version) with the Daily Driver.
Thank you so much, Nate.
I was thinking of the Cartel X, but wasn’t sure about it. You set my mind at ease and I went ahead and ordered it.
Thank you again for your insights. May your slopes be white and powdery.
You’re very welcome Arjan. May your slopes be white and powdery also. Happy riding!
Hi Nate, fantastic site, easy to find what I need and enjoy your breakdowns. Thanks for the time you put in to them.
After reading the reviews I’m between a Jones Frontier 2021 162 or a Yes Standard 2021 159. The Jones is a steal (bindings marks but not ridden) and I’m leaning that way. However I’ve put no thought into bindings yet. I demoed both boards in a 156 (all they had) with the bindings they gave me, size L Malavita with the cush leather strap. There was bad overhang but they were fine in the indoor dome I tested at. I enjoyed both boards so it comes to price there.
I’m 200lbs give or take, 6″2′ and wear uk10/us11 boots. I’m still intermediate, get only 10-12 days max annually, and I’m not getting any younger so don’t think I’ll be euro carving (you never know though!) and I’m learning to be more technical. Interested in everything except park. I note the Jones 162 is on the top end for my shoe size, Add to that US11 seems to be in-between the M or L binding sizes for most brands. I would have picked L by default but the Frontier is a touch slim at 256 wide at the waist… am I over thinking it?
Avoiding minidisc so I can use the slambacks on the standard (if I go there), What model and size bindings would you suggest for each board? The Cartel is well-reviewed and I enjoyed the reflex sensation of the Vitas so it’s on my shortlist. Also Union Force as well. How to you feel about the cheaper bindings like Mission or STR?
Hi Dave
Thanks for your message. ‘
In terms of bindings, depending on the particular boots, you should be able to get into Burton Medium. However, you shouldn’t need to. It’s unlikely that Burton L bindings will be too long for the 162 Frontier and certainly not for the 159 Standard. So, I would go L if you go Burton – they will be a better match to the width’s of the boards and will fit your boots, regardless of the brand. For Union, there’s a chance you’d squeeze into the Medium, but there’s also a chance they’d be too small – and again, you don’t need to, the Large Force/STR would fit those boards fine.
For reference, the width at inserts of those boards are roughly:
– Standard 159: 275mm (based on a 545mm stance width – would be a couple of mm wider if you went out to width of around 580mm)
– Frontier 162: 270mm at front insert, 273mm at back insert (based on a 580mm stance width)
So long story short, I would go L for either Burton or Union in your case.
The Cartel and Force would be the best matches to the boards, IMO. Partially because they’re nicer bindings overall, but mostly because they’re a better flex match. The Mission and STR would work for sure, but just a little softer flexing than ideal, IMO.
Given that you liked the feel of the Re:Flex, the Cartel’s are probably the best bet.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate, I didn’t get any notification so just happened to notice here!
That’s super useful, and I appreciate you replied on Christmas day, thanks. I hope you still had a break 🙂
Since my message I tried on new boots and I found I can fit a UK9.5 Adidas Response 3MC (Label says US10, J280 (mondo 28?)). Apart from being new and stiffer (and comfier), they fit similar to my Uk10 32 lashed FT from 2015, ie my big toe is quite firm against the end when I stand and I get wiggle room when I bend my knees. I hadn’t planned on new boots but now I’m tempted. You can see from the photo https://ibb.co/pdr2h7P they are only about 1cm shorter but much smaller, overall. Also the photo doesn’t show the difference at the sole where the Adidas angles up away from flat at the toes and heel, making the actual ground contact quite a lot shorter and I imagine reduces chance of drag.
I think I would still say Large bindings because the bindings will likely outlast any boot and future boots may be more or less low profile. Would you agree? If I do get the Adidas they might be a bit small in a large but probably doable, for example I’m also looking at Rome Crux or Vice 2022 bindings and a L starts at US10.5/11.
Lastly would you say a Frontier 162 is fine or would you put me on another size (that deal was snapped up by someone else so I’m more free to choose)? I would go for a Standard in 159 which I think is easier to pick based on my weight (correct me if I’m wrong). I’m looking for that balance between being damp at speed and in chunder while being nimble in trees and nice to carve on the piste.
Hi David
Sounds like the Adidas are a good fit – but yeah in Burton bindings I would still go large. Yu could certainly go medium, but as you say, if you end up in a larger size in another brand down the line or a bulkier profile boot, then the Large would be better to accommodate it. As far as I can tell from the charts, Large Rome bindings can be worn with a US10. But as I don’t currently test any Rome gear, I couldn’t say from experience how they fit. If they really are only suitable for 10.5/11+, then may not be as suitable in a Large and might have to go Medium if you went one of those.
Yeah, I would still say 162 for Frontier – and 159 for the Standard.
Hi Nate,
Thanks for all of your reviews!
I have a pair of 2018 cartels that I plan to upgrade. I love the board feel you get with cartels! Only thing I don’t like is that the heel cup does not adjust – you have to center your boots with the disc. So, you have to choose between centering your boots on the board and getting your stance were you want it. I have some knee issues so riding a 21″ stance is very important for me.
Seems like board feel is something you like, too, so wanted to get your thoughts on other bindings I could consider. Are there any you have ridden that have the board feel from the cartels and also have heel cup adjustability?
I have tried Union Strata and don’t like them. I found the base too damp to really feel anything. Any other thoughts on bindings that would work? I may just end up buying another pair of cartels ( my 4th pair!), but would love to get your thoughts.
Thanks,
Ethan
Hi Ethan
Thanks for your message.
First bindings that sprung to mind when you started were the Strata! But then I kept reading….
For something with heel cup adjustability and good board feel, I think Union with a mini-disc is really all I can think of, from the brands that I test. The Contact Pro might work if you were happy with a softer flexing binding – but they’re certainly softer than the Cartel. The baseplate is softer than on the Strata. Still quite a bit of dampening though. I really like the board feel on them, but you’d have to be willing to go to a softer overall flex. Or Falcor, if you were happy to go to a stiffer overall flex.
Ride’s new bindings have heel cup adjustment, but I didn’t think much of the board feel on them. K2’s Lien AT I found to have great board feel, but no heel cup adjustability.
Thanks, Nate. Just seeing this – didn’t get any notice that you responded. I was looking at the new version of the Atlas and asked you a question about that on under your review of that binding. Now that they redid the baseplate on the Atlas, would that be an okay option? I saw you rated it close to the cartel in board feel (4.0 for the cartel and 3.5 for the Atlas). Thanks again!
Hi Ethan
Since my last reply, I’ve had the chance to ride some Rome bindings (Katana and Cleaver), which have both heel cup adjustment and very good board feel. They are the most adjustable bindings I’ve tested and great board feel. I’ve only tested those 2 so far, but the Katana I felt at the same flex as the Atlas (7/10). If you wanted to go a little softer, maybe something like the Vice, Crux or 390 Boss. I haven’t looked into them properly, so you’d have to do some research to make sure they have the same kind of adjustability – and I’m not sure entirely how their flex translates, but they’re supposed to be medium flex. But if you’re looking for something around that Atlas (7/10) flex, then the Katana would be a great option, IMO.
Thanks! I will check out the Romes.
You’re very welcome Ethan. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hey Nate, thanks so much for your reviews, your site has greatly helped my gear decision making process.
I’m a decent beginner (probably 4 on your scale) and have used rentals 6-7 times and am currently getting my own set up, and have been getting something intermediate friendly that I can grow into. I’m 5’11”, 165 and have gotten Outerspace Living + Burton Ruler BOAs (10.5), but have been stuck on a binding. What do you think between Union Force and the Cartels? Thanks!
Hi Rahul
Thanks for your message.
Both the Force and Cartel will work well for that setup, IMO, and are intermediate friendly. They’re not what I would call beginner friendly, but if you’re getting close to that intermediate level, then I think you should be fine with either of them.
Not a wrong choice between the two of them, but some things to consider that might help you choose:
– Force provide a little more response when riding at speed and for bigger carves
– Cartels I found to be more comfortable and provide a little better shock absorption
– Force have a little more adjustability
– Cartel’s have a little more board feel
You may already know this, but I like to make sure – if you do go Cartel, you’ll have to go Cartel Re:Flex, as the EST version isn’t compatible with the board (EST only for channel mounting systems).
Size-wise, I’d probably go Large for either, but if you could let me know the size of the OSL you got, I can give a more informed opinion on size.
Hope this helps
Thanks for your quick reply Nate! I’ve gone with a 156 for the OSL.
I don’t really consider myself intermediate, but have tried to future proof my setup as I progress (hoping it’s not too far beyond my skill level where my progression gets stunted, so I have tried to be reasonable). I am very comfortable linking S turns etc and have stopped catching edges very often.
For 2022 models, there’s also the Cartel and Cartel X, where I’ve read the new Cartel is softer than the old standard Cartel, while the X is stiffer – curious to know what you think of that. Also on sizing it seems like 10.5 is squarely between M and L.
Thanks for your help!
Hi Rahul
I found the Cartel quite similar in flex to older Cartel’s, but maybe marginally softer. The Cartel X is stiffer for sure. Not ultra-stiff, but like a 7/10 flex.
In terms of skill level, if you’re already linking turns and not catching edges, then I think you should be good with the OSL. It’s a little bit of a stretch for a beginner but not a huge stretch – I think in terms of trying to future proof your gear, but not stretch too far, it’s a good option. The Cartel or Force as well are in that category and I think you should be OK with them. A steeper learning curve but hopefully not too steep that it will stunt progression.
For the Cartel, I would probably go M. If you were on a wider board, I’d say probably L, as Burton bindings don’t tend to have very long baseplates and the M on a wider board always feels a bit short, but for that 156 OSL, I’d go M for the Cartel. I’d do the same for the Force. Just because it’s a longer baseplate and the L might end up being a bit too long. With Burton boots, I think you should be able to fit in the M Force. No guarantees, but I’ve had 10.5s in Union bindings before and been fine. You’ll probably be on one of the last holes for the toe strap, but should be OK. The safer bet, size-wise, is the Cartel, but I think you’d fit 10.5 Rulers in the M Force.
Thanks Nate! You’ve convinced me, I think I’m going with the Cartels with sizing being the last deciding factor 🙂
Really appreciate it!
You’re very welcome Rahul. If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had the chance to try your new setup on snow.
Word on the street is that the baseplate is softer in 2021!
So maybe it is slightly more freestyle friendly? Like Malavitas?
Hi Nate,
Really lots of cool stuff and good work here, I do appreciate your detailed reviews. I have just bought new Burton Process camber (162) and now looking to grab new bindings. I felt in love with Cartel X 2021 Team Edition first time I saw it. Then was advised it would be too stiff for the Process. Now, I have been hesitating between Cartel’s 2020 Re:flex, that seems to be less stiff and more forgiving than Cartel X, and Union Force’s 2021. If I do not get a good deal I would consider Burton Mission. May I ask you to recommend best fit for the new Process? I am riding mostly groomers in resorts, bit of backcountry when conditions allow, rarely park riding, but still want a playful board. Intermediate/advanced with 15 years of riding experienced. Thanks a lot for any advices.
Hi Endor
Thanks for your message.
Both the Cartel and the Force would be a good match for the Process, IMO. The Mission would definitely work too, if you ended up needed to go there for financial reasons. Not quite as good quality as the Cartel/Force, but not far off, and still a good match for the Process Camber.
You could also look at Cartel EST. I do find the EST model on the Channel does give a little more in terms of response and board feel (and a little less in terms of shock absorption) vs the Re:Flex model. Of course this is only if you don’t think you’ll be using them on any other non-channel boards. If you will be or think you might in the future, then Re:Flex is the way to go.
Between the Cartel and Force, not a lot in it, but I would say:
– Force has just a little better response than the Re:Flex Cartel (EST Cartel and Force very similar response)
– Cartel Re:Flex has slightly better shock absorption than the Force (But Force a little better than EST shock absorption)
– Cartel a little more comfortable but very little in it
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hey Nate,
I’ve been reading your reviews for the Burton Malavita and cartel and cant decide which binding to get. I just bought a burton process camber 159w. 6’3 190lbs I really am only looking to go up and down the mountain and not be the last in the group and really only get to ski a few times a year mostly at killington/ east coast. I don’t really know if it matters all that much but don’t want to buy the wrong binding. With that said if there was a boot that you could recommend for those bindings as well that would be awesome.. Any advice would be lovely!
Hi J
Thanks for your message.
Both would certainly work with the Process Camber, but I think I would be leaning Cartel for your purposes. If you’re not really doing any freestyle, then I think the Cartel makes more sense and saves a bit of cash.
For boots, I would look at something from one of the following lists:
>>My Top All Mountain (medium to medium-stiff flex) Snowboard Boots
I would say at least 6/10 flex and no more than 7/10 flex. Personal preference comes into it somewhat, but for that setup and for your specs, I think that flex level is where you should be looking. Check out the score breakdowns for each boot to see if there’s anything in there that you think is important for you (like shock absorption etc). If you have the chance to try on, that’s definitely highly recommended, as fit is really important. If not, check out the following for some general fit guidelines:
Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands
Hope this helps
I have a 2018 Lib Tech Gold Member board and Union Forged Ultra bindings. I have not been happy with the Union bindings, they seem to flex independently of the board (maybe due to the mini plate?) and I really do not like how they feel.
I am looking for something that will flex with the board more while riding. I tend ride mostly steep ungroomed trails at a fast pace or tight technical tree runs.
I was thinking of giving the Burton Cartel Re:Flex a try, do you think they could work for me?
Hi J
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the Gold Member, but based on specs, it looks like it would work with the Cartel. However, just note that they won’t be as responsive/stiff as the Ultra FC. If you’re happy for a softer binding, then I think they would work, but if you don’t want to loose too much in terms of stiffness/response, then going up to the Cartel X might be a better idea (within Burton) or other slightly stiffer options.
Also in terms of feel, the Re:Flex is certainly a different feel to the minidisc, but both provide a lot of “board feel”. A kind of minimal contact with the board kind of feel. It might be that you prefer to have a larger contact with the board feel. It might be that you like the feel of Re:Flex over the mini-disc, as it is different, but no guarantees that you’d prefer it over just a binding with a normal disc and no other real underfoot tech? I really like the feel of Re:Flex bindings, but I also really like the feel of mini-discs, so it’s hard to say what you’d prefer.
If you did want to check out some other options that are a little stiffer/more responsive than the Cartel, check out the following, but I think the Cartel would certainly be an option:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
>>Top 5 Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
Wondering if you could give me some quick advice on a binding dilemma. I just picked up a 2020 Neversummer Heritage (7 overall flex) mostly for all mtn smooth freeding and I’m debating between the getting the new Cartels or the new 2021 Union Atlas bindings?
The heritage is pretty similar to the burton custom and that board is paired often with the Cartels. I like the price of the cartels, the comfort, and the straps. Just a bit worried it may not be damp enough or have fast enough turn initiation against the new and imporved 21 Atlas. Or am I really splitting hairs here, I know they are pretty similar. Will be Cartels be firm enough on the baseplate and surfy enough to ride the rocker design, or do I need a firmer binding like the atlas. I also own a Carbon Ride El Hefes (8 stiff) for pure freeriding, is that a better choice for the NS heritage?
Many thanks for the advice, great website, I always check your lists and reviews. Keep up the great work!
Hi Dennis
Thanks for your message.
For the Heritage, between the Cartel and Atlas, I would probably put the Atlas on it. But both would definitely work. There’s not a bad choice there. The reason I would lean ever so slightly Atlas is just that it’s a hair stiffer and a little more responsive. I think the Cartel’s would be damp enough – it’s more the response that would sway me to the Atlas on the Heritage. Cartel’s have a fairly firm base plate – it has a softer feeling high-back but the baseplate is fairly firm. And it does have pretty good board feel too, so no issues there either, IMO.
But given that you have EL Hefe’s what I would actually do is try them on it and see how it feels. If you feel like you could use something a little softer/more forgiving or with better board feel, then you could look at the Cartel/Atlas. If you didn’t want to wait and test the El Hefe, then I would be leaning Atlas, but Cartel’s certainly wouldn’t be a wrong choice, if you wanted to save a few dollars.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate! Do you think it is justified to take Cartel 2020 instead of 2019?
Hi Gustavo
Thanks for your message. As far as I know the only thing that’s changed for the 2020 model is that the toe strap is new. It is a better toe strap for sure. So it’s whether you think the price difference is worth a better toe strap. The toe strap from the 2019 model is fine. It’s not unusable or anything, just that the one on the 2020 model is a little better.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hello Nate,
Your reviews and comment responses are really thoughtful and honest. I always look here for advice!
Q: I’m an intermediate rider who just likes to ride around the mountain. No extreme backcountry, no eye watering speed, no YouTubeworthy tricks…just casual riding. I’m 6’ 175lb size 11 boots and have a Jones Explorer 159. I’d like Burton boots and bindings. Would you recommend Cartels or Malavitas for the average joe? How about boots…would some economical Rulers work well enough?
I’ve always just ridden whatever was on sale and never really had a setup tailored to me. I’m hoping this year to have a setup that actually makes sense.
Thank you!
-Mike
Hi Mike
Thanks for your message.
In terms of bindings, I would go Cartels for the Explorer. I think that would be the slightly better match for that board vs the Malavita. And is a good all round binding that will work well for most things, including just casual riding. And it saves a few dollars on the Malavita.
In terms of boots, I think the Ruler’s would do a good job. Ideally, they’d be just a hair stiffer (with the Cartel 6/10 flex and the Explorer around 6.5/10 flex by me feel) to match the other aspects. The Ruler I would rate at around 5/10 in terms of flex. But that’s being pretty picky and I think, especially given that you’re riding casually, that they will do a good job with that setup. I rate the Imperial at about 6/10, which I think would be the ideal option with that setup, and you get step up for the liner, but it also adds cost. I think you’d get some slight benefit from it, but whether it’s worth the increase in cost for you. Long story short, Imperial ideally, but Ruler will definitely work.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi!
I have 32 lashed size 10 (28), but next season I`m gonna have to get some boots that are stiffer and a bit roomier (either size 10.5 (28.5) or size 10 wide, then probably Burton Photon). Do you think Medium or Large Cartel? I would like them as snug as possible without having to force my foot in and out and not wearing out my boot.
Thanx, Ole
Hi Ole
Thanks for your message.
With Burton boots, I would be comfortable wearing anything up to 11 in Burton bindings. Or with other low profile boots – so I would go Medium in your case. If you were looking at a different brand of boots would have to reassess with 10.5s, depending on the brand. But with Burton boots, I would be confident to fit into the Mediums with anything up to 11.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I just bought a K2 Cool Bean 144 and Thirtytwo TM-Two US.10 Boots. I have a Question regarding my binding. I have the burton Cartel M bindings on my other board. Would work the Cartel on Cool Bean or should I try another bindings?
Thank you!
Hi Andi
Thanks for your message.
The Cartels would certainly work on the Cool Bean, IMO. Flex match isn’t exact (6/10 Cartel, 7/10 Cool Bean, by my feel of each) but it’s pretty close. So they would certainly work well I would say. If you wanted to be picky something a touch stiffer might work a little better, but I’d say the Cartel will be fine (assuming they’re Re:Flex Cartels and not EST, of course).
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I`m looking for a bindings to pair with a Jones Flagship.
Currently I ride the Flagship with a Ride Delta Mvmnt from 2006.
In principle I`m happy with the (battered) Ride Bindings but i would love to have a bindings that has a higher highback and a bit more support and response in general.
Do you think the Cartel would fit my needs?
Hi M
Thanks for your message.
I think the Cartel would certainly work. It’s a versatile binding that works well with a wide range of boards. But ideally I would be pairing the Flagship with something a little stiffer/more responsive. I haven’t ridden the Ride Delta Mvmnt bindings, but I would predict that you’ll prefer the current Cartels with the Flagship (though I couldn’t say for sure) but ideally I would go for something from one of these lists for the Flagship.
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
>>Top 5 Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate. I’m riding the 2015 Burton Blunt with a pair of 2015 RIDE Lasso boots along with a junky pair of Burton Freestyles I found on eBay. I like to ride all over the mountain and I like to spend a good amount of time in the park. Jumps are my favorite feature, I’m always finding side hits on trails along with hitting all the kickers in the park. Aside from jumping, I always try to push the limits of how fast I can ride and still remain on my feet. I’m stuck between the Burton Cartel EST and the Burton Malavita EST bindings. I read your reviews on the bindings, but I just can’t decide what amount of flex is best for me and my riding style. I’ve only ridden on my crappy Freestyles and I can’t decide between the softer Malavita or the stiffer Cartel.
Hi Joe
Thanks for your message.
Both would definitely be a noticeable improvement over the Freestyle, so both are good choices. But I would be leaning towards the Malavita for you. Mostly because the Blunt is a more freestyle kind of board and it sounds like you’re riding a lot of jumps – and also because the Blunt is a softer board, the Malavita is a closer flex match, IMO. The Cartels are slightly more responsive and are a little better for riding at speed, but not by heaps, so overall I would say Malavitas, but you can’t go wrong with either, IMO.
Hope this helps
Yo Nate! I’m digging your reviews! Thanks for being such a great resource. I have a Yes Standard coming and I am trying to decide on bindings for it. I plan on setting it up with a centered symmetrical stance and using it as an all mountain freestyle deck. I have a very playful style when riding all mountain and I’m constantly hitting little side hits and throwing little spins and butters all over the place. I was thinking the Malavita for this deck but the Cartel are tempting too especially at the lower price point, what do you think?
Hi Tavis
Thanks for your message.
I rode the Standard with Malavitas and I really liked that combo, but I think the Cartels would also work well. The Cartels are a touch stiffer overall (though the Malavitas highback is probably stiffer, but the base plate on the Cartels is stiffer), and a touch more responsive I found. The Malavitas a bit more in terms of board feel. Because you like to butter and spin etc,a lot, then I would be leaning toward the Malavita, but the Cartels would certainly be a suitable match for the Standard, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate,
Will be setting up the Standard tomorrow for a day of all mountain/freestyle fun Tuesday! Went with the Malavitas, actually going to throw a set of Cartels on my all mountain/freeride board (a Venture Paragon) so I’ll get to try them both! Thanks again for your help. I love your site
Hi Tavis
You’re very welcome and thanks for the update. Let me know what you think of the Standard, and of the Standard/Malavita combo.
Hei Nate. I have a yes standard board and burton cartel bindings. I’m stuck with the boots … I thing the easy part is the flex I must go with medium flex right ?? Any boot to suggest??
Hi Melanthros
Thanks for your message.
For the Standard/Cartel combo, I would be looking at something either 6/10 or 7/10 in terms of flex. So towards the stiffer side of medium. For some good options in that flex range, check out:
>>My Top All Mountain (medium-stiff flex) Snowboard Boots
If there’s nothing in there that suits you for budget/lacing system etc, then let me know and I can give you some other options for that flex range.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate! I’m the same Carmine in the comments of the yes jackpot.
I’m considering new bindings for the yes greats 2018 156 I’ve just bought thanks to your precious help.
I have the union factory 2015 but I would like to buy something more mellow and playful since the factories are medium/stiff.
I’m considering the union contact pro 2019(but I’m worried about the ankle strap and that the boot support would be too loose), the salomon hologram 2017, the burton cartel 2019, the union strata 2019 and the flux ds 2018. I’m us10 (28cm) with northwave decade sl boots. I can buy them all at the same price more or less. Which one would you suggest?
For what concern the burton cartel only the size L is available. Do you think I can have problems centering the boots and with overhang?
I don’t remember how many times I said thank you but thank you again.
Hi Carmine
For the Greats, the Contact Pro might be just on the slightly soft side – not by heaps, certainly doable, but that would be one thing (as well as it is a loose feel and if that’s not what you’re after that’s another thing). The others would all be good options, IMO. I would be leaning towards the Strata, Cartel and DS personally.
For Burton and Union bindings (I’m a US10 also) I prefer medium, for both the fit and I find easier for boot centering. Large for both work with 10s, but I find Medium better for me. For Flux I’ve mostly ridden large, but next time I test them I’m going to try medium to see how it goes. They only state up to 9.5 for Medium, so I’ve always gone large, but I suspect the Medium would fit fine, but to be on the safe side you might want to go Large for those.
If I had to choose one, I would go Medium Strata, since you can only get the Cartel in large. But the Large (and possibly even medium) DS is also a good option.
Hope this helps
I went to the shop to check the stratas but they seem pretty stiff (my factories seem more soft in comparison when I twist them) especially when I pull straight back.
I read your review but.. Do you think the union strata would be good as an all mountain freestyle since the stiffness? I would like bindings that allow me to take the whole mountain as a park (I don’t care too much about powder). Do you have other bindings to suggest for this purpose better than strata in your opinion?
Hi Carmine
A highback that’s stiff to pull straight back doesn’t always feel stiff on the mountain. The baseplate on the Strata is a little softer and lateral flex often has more impact on the feel. THe Malavita is a great example of a freestyle feeling binding with quite a stiff highback.
But I totally get if you would prefer something softer feeling in the highback and some people prefer it for comfort. For something softer in the highback but a similar overall flex feel, you could look at the Union Force – noticeably more twist and bend in the highback. The Cartels are also a little softer in the highback but stiffer in the baseplate and overall a similar flex feel. Overall the DS is a little softer, by my feels. Another option would be the Burton Genesis (but might be a bit more costly).
Or you could try the Contact Pro after all (4/10 flex). If you feel the Strata is too stiff, then the Contact Pro might work – or something like the Ride Rodeo or K2 Lineup, which are also 4/10 flex by my feel. Sorry to give you more options!, but want to make sure you get the right feel for you.
Hey Nate,
I just bought a Jones explorer 156. I usually ride side country, bowls, glades, and just a little park to get better at jumps for the above runs.
I’m between the Burton cartels and the union atlas. I demo’ed the cartels on the Jones explorer and really liked the ride. Is there anything atlas has enough to be the clear choice or both really similar?
Hi Rocky
Thanks for your message.
I would say that the Atlas are slightly more responsive, but otherwise I prefer the Cartel (apart from the toe strap, which I prefer on the Atlas). The Cartels have better board feel, IMO, and are a little more comfortable. But if response is your main concern, then the Atlas just pips the Cartel in that respect.
If you’ve had a chance to test the Cartels on the Explorer and liked them, then that’s the safest call, IMO. Both would certainly work with the Explorer but I would be leaning towards Cartel for you.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
Finally went for the Capita Kazu 154cm based on your recommendation. Many thanks again!
Question regarding my binding choice:
I also have a Capita DOA with Union Force bindings at home.
I was wondering if I should set the Union Force for the Kazu instead and get a pair of Malavita or Cartel for the DOA. Not too soft?
Thank you!
Jeremy
Hi Jeremy
I think the Union Force would certainly work on the Kazu. I would say roughly, flex-wise:
Kazu – 6.5/10
DOA – 6/10
Force – 6/10
Cartel – 6/10
So the Force would certainly be a match flex-wise. But ideally I would go a little step up to something like the Union Falcor, or Flux XF, or Genesis X – or something from this list, for the Kazu:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
And keep the Force on the DOA. But certainly the Cartel on the DOA and the Force on the Kazu would certainly work.
Hey Nate.
Im currently looking for a new pair of bindings to pair with my Capita Mercury (which I bought last year based of your best all mountain board reviews). Im intermediate/ advanced and I do probably 60%/40% regular riding to park riding. Ive got my decision down to the Cartels or the Union Strata. After reading both of your reviews Ive gathered that they are both very similar and both would probably pair very well with my setup. I know you gave the edge to the Strata, but I like the aesthetic of the cartels a lot more. Any advice on which direction I should go based on my board/riding style?
Thanks a bunch for all the work you do on your site! Its always my first stop when im shopping for new gear.
-Joel
Hi Joel
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, there’s very little in it between the two, IMO. I liked the Stratas just a little more – a little more response and a little more board feel, but there’s not much in it and both would work well for the Mercury and style of riding, IMO. If I had to choose I would go Strata, but you wouldn’t be making a bad call if you went with the Cartels at all, IMO.
Hope this helps
Im currently trying to decide between the Cartels and the Union Stratas to go with my Capita mercury (which I bought based of your reviews of all mountain boards last year). From reading through your reviews and some other stuff online it seems that they are very similar in feel. Im looking for a binding that can do a little bit of everything, but probably leaning a little more to just down the mountain and a little less park features. I know in your reviews you say that the strata takes the cake just a little bit over the cartels in your opinion. Knowing what im looking to get out of them, does that change your recommendation at all? With them being so close in performance im leaning a little towards the cartel due to aesthetics but wanna make sure there isnt anything im not thinking about before pulling the trigger. Love the site and the reviews man! Its always my first stop when looking for new gear.
Hi,
I consider buying Cartels (reflex 2018) or Union Atlas (2018) bindings. I ride Yes The Greats board and 32 Binary Boa boots. I need AM bindings, mostly on-piste riding, but also some sidehits, ollies, butters, flat tricks, smaller kickers, boxes. What would you recommend for good boot hold and responsiveness but also offering some flex for more freestyle?
One issue is the thickness of Gettagrip Capstrap in 2018 Cartels. After switching from Burton Rulers (reduced footprint) to 32 boots I’ve noticed some toe drag when riding on some wet, dump snow. The capstream seams to be thicker then the one in Unions. What you think? I wonder if it would cause any problems? Maybe it’s not exactly toe drag but ‘tip of the sole’ drag and the capstrap isn’t the issue.
Another issue is the foldable ankle strap- does it get in the way when riding with rear foot outside the binding (off the chairlift or on t-bar)?
Hi Marboc
Thanks for your message.
Personally, from what you’re describing, I would go with the Cartels. They have better board feel than the Atlas and I think you’ll appreciate that for the freestyle aspect of your riding. The Atlas are a little more responsive, so that’s something to consider, but for that board and the style you’re describing, I would recommend the Cartels.
Had never really thought about the toe strap being an issues for drag but now that you mention it, it could make a bit of a difference. I didn’t think about it at the time of demoing those bindings but from memory and looking at pics, I think the Cartel toe strap is a little thicker – but like you say if it’s the sole of the toe that’s dragging for you, then it may not make any difference. If you’re not currently getting heel drag and there’s a way you can adjust your overhang so that there is a little less on the toe side that might help. You don’t want to go too uneven, but I do find if I can’t get the overhang even, or if I can set the bindings up so there’s subtly more overhang on the heel than the toe, then I do.
As far as I’m aware all Burton bindings ankle straps fold towards the center of the board (and as far as I can remember pretty much all bindings do, but I could be wrong?). But even so, I one-foot with my rear foot inside of the rear binding and it’s not a problem with Burton bindings. They fold out flat onto the board when you want them too, but it’s easy just to fold it over the binding and out of the way too.
Hope this helps