Hello and welcome to my Salomon Assassin review.
In this review, I will take a look at the Assassin as an all-mountain-freestyle snowboard.
As per tradition here at SnowboardingProfiles.com I will give the Assassin a score out of 100 (based on several factors) and see how it compares with other all-mountain-freestyle snowboards.
Overall Rating
Board: Salomon Assassin
Price: $549 (USD recommended retail)
Style: All-Mountain-Freestyle
Flex Rating: Medium
Flex Feel on Snow: Medium (5/10)
Rating Score: 89.3/100
Compared to other Men’s All-Mountain-Freestyle Boards
Out of the 27 men’s all-mountain-freestyle snowboards that I rated:
Overview of the Assassin’s Specs
Check out the tables for the Assassin’s specs and available sizes.
Specs
Style: | All-Mountain-Freestyle |
Price: | $549 |
Ability Level: |  |
Flex: |  |
Feel: |  |
Turn Initiation: | Medium-Fast |
Edge-hold: |  |
Camber Profile: | Hybrid Camber - Salomon's Rock Out Camber |
Shape: | |
Setback Stance: | Centered |
Base: | Sintered |
Weight: | Normal |
Sizing
LENGTH (cm) | Waist Width (mm) | Rec Rider Weight (lb) | Rec Rider Weight (kg) |
|---|---|---|---|
150 | 248 | 110 - 160 | 50-72 |
153 | 251 | 125 - 165 | 57-75 |
156 | 253 | 125 - 190 | 57-85 |
158W | 263 | 145 - 210 | 66-95 |
159 | 255 | 140 - 195 | 65-88 |
162 | 258 | 145 - 210 | 66-95 |
163W | 266 | 155 - 230 | 70-104 |
165 | 261 | 155 - 230 | 70-104 |
Who is the Assassin Most Suited To?
The Assassin is best for anyone who wants a board that is a good all-rounder (but can take a small hit in terms of powder and jibs), that is snappy, light-feeling and really excels for jumps, sidehits and spins.
Not for a beginner - but an intermediate rider should be fine on the Assassin - so Intermediate to Advanced All-Mountain-Freestyle riders.
The Assassin in More Detail
O.k. let’s take a more detailed look at what the Assassin is capable of.
Demo Info
Board: Salomon Assassin 2020, 156cm (253mm waist width)
Date: March 9, 2019
Conditions: Sunny with some clouds and perfect visibility.
Snow was well groomed and soft on top on groomers and soft but quite tracked off groomer (but there had been quite recent snowfall and still some untouched pockets).
Bindings angles: +15/-15
Stance width: 560mm (22″)
Stance Setback: Centered
Width at Inserts: 262mm (10.32")
Rider Height: 6'0"
Rider Weight: 185lbs
Rider Boot Size: US10 Vans Aura
Bindings Used: Burton Malavita M
Weight: 2810grams (6lb 3oz) - from Salomon, I didn't weight this one myself
Weight per cm: 18.01 grams/cm
Average Weight per cm: 18.45 grams/cm*
*based on a small sample size of 51 boards that I've weighed in 2019 and 2020 models. The Assassin is just a little lighter than average and it felt a little lighter than average on snow too.
Powder
I was lucky enough to have a little bit of fresh snow to test in when I rode the Assassin and whilst it's not the kind of board that's going to kill it in deep powder, it's a little better than average.
The nose is 1cm longer than the tail (directional twin), and I think that's enough to help it float a little better than the average centered, true twin - and it's got a bit of rocker in there too, which helps.
Carving & Turning
Carving: Felt nice on a carve. Not ultra-aggressive on a carve, but decent.
Maneuverability at slow speeds: Quite nimble at slow speeds - so it's got a good balance between maneuverability at slow speeds and a nice feel carving at higher speeds.
Skids: Not the easiest board to skid turns on - doable but something that isn't that beginner friendly - but certainly intermediate friendly.
Speed
Stable enough at speed and felt comfortable carving at speed on this board.
Uneven Terrain
Not ultra damp in crud, but not ultra chattery either.
Nice and nimble for navigating bumpy terrain, like in trees etc.
Let’s Break up this text with a Video
Jumps
Super fun board to jump with overall. Good, easy pop and feels light and snappy.
Pop: Plenty of pop and that pop is nice and easy to extract, with a bit extra when you load it up.
Approach: Nice and stable on approach but still nimble at the same time.
Landing: Good solid landing platform.
Side-hits: Really good - good/easy pop and nice and nimble for trickier approaches.
Small jumps/Big Jumps: It's good over all sizes of jumps - Small to Large. Maybe the Assassin Pro more preferable for XL (but I don't hit those!).
Switch
Even though it's a directional twin, it just feels so good to ride switch this board.
Spins
Loved this boards for spins - it's lightweight, easy to get the spin around, great for taking off and landing switch and has good pop.
Jibbing
Probably it's weakest point. Not a star jibber - but certainly doable, especially for those experienced on jibs.
Butters
The Assassin is good for butters. Not the most buttery I've ridden, but certainly in the 2nd tier in terms of buttering - and I've never really ridden anything with a mid-flex, that's more buttery.
Score Breakdown and Final Verdict
Check out the breakdown of the score in the table below.
RATING | Contribution to Final Score | |
|---|---|---|
JUMPS | 4.5 | 18/20 |
CARVING | 3.5 | 7/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SWITCH | 4.5 | 9/10 |
SPEED | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SPINS | 4.5 | 9/10 |
BUTTERS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
JIBBING | 3.0 | 3/5 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
TREES/BUMPS | 4.0 | 4/5 |
POWDER | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 89.3/100 |
Overall the Assassin is a mean ride.
It's agile, snappy and poppy, and all-round really good. You can take it pretty much anywhere and do anything on it - and it really excels for jumps and spins.
More Info, Current Prices and Where to Buy Online
If you want to learn more about the Assassin, or if you are ready to buy, or if you just want to research prices and availability, check out the links below.
Hello and welcome to my Salomon Assassin review.
O.k. let’s take a more detailed look at what the Assassin is capable of.
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the service you’re providing the community! I am a low-intermediate looking to buy an all-mountain board to progress in with the attention that this is my one an only board. I’m mostly just looking for something versatile but I won’t be going to the park much. I am really stuck between the Salomon Assassin and the Slash Brainstorm.
Which would you recommend? I’m also limited on sizes right now, i’m 5’11-6’0, 169 Ibs and wear a size 10 Burton boot with K2 Indy Bindings.
The only sizes for the 2 boards listed are 156 for the Salomon and 157 for the Slash. Would you lean either way or are both perfectly good options? Thanks so much!
Hi Ryan
Thanks for your message.
As per my reply on the Nidecker Gamma APX post (not sure if you’ve seen it), I would be leaning Brainstorm or Snowtrooper of the boards you listed there. The Assassin would be my third choice from the boards you listed, but I would go Brainstorm or Snowtrooper if you can. Both the 156 Assassin and 157 Brainstorm are really good sizes for your specs, IMO and those are the exact sizes I would recommend for each for you, so you’ve got the best sizes available for you, IMO.
But yeah between those 2, I would be leaning Brainstorm 157. The Assassin 156 would be doable though.
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate, just saw it! What would you say are the core differences between the Assassin and Brainstorm at my current level? Just curious!
Hey Ryan
Main difference, IMO, is that the Brainstorm is an easier turner. Easier to initiate turns on and less likely to catch an edge, in my experience. That’s not to say that the Assassin is harder to turn on or that it’s super catchy or anything, ’cause it’s not, but the Brainstorm less so, in my experience.
Appreciate your help Nate. It’s actually pretty cool that you take the time to talk to almost everyone!
You’re very welcome Ryan. Happy riding!
Hello, I noticed your review is for the is for a past years model.
Did you get a chance to have a to ride the 2022/23? It seems like this was slightly less park/ more all mountain than the Rome Agent (your 2022 review).
I just ordered the 22/23 model and didn’t notice this until afterward. Curious to see if you happened to ride the newer one if you felt different regarding it at all vs the agent.
Thank you for your feedback!
Hi Jeff
Thanks for your message.
I last rode the 2020 version of the Assassin but it hasn’t had any significant changes since then. The major changes it got were for the 2019 model. I rode the 2018 model prior but retested it when it got those changes (a year late, but better late than never!).
Some of the changes it got for the 2019 model:
– A change from a True Twin shape (2018 model) to a Directional Twin shape (2019 model)
– Some sizing changes
– Some subtle changes to effective edge and width
– Sidecut has changed (2019 and on using Salomon’s Quadratic sidecut – 2018 and prior it was their equalizer/radial sidecut)
So this review essentially reflexts the 22/23 model.
Also I rode the ’23 Agent (had a typo in the review which said 2022, which I’ve fixed now).
The main differences between the Agent and Assassin, I would say are:
– Agent a little softer flexing
– Agent more camber dominant
– Agent I felt was better for jibbing
– The Assassin a little better in powder
– The Assassin a little better at speed
All else being fairly equal.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate
I have just bought the assassin with burton mission bindings just wondering if you could give me any boot recommendations? I’m a lower intermediate rider but looking to progress this year because it’s only my second season riding having learnt last season and picking it up pretty well. Any help would be much appreciated thanks.
Hi Daniel
Thanks for your message.
I would try to match with a boot flex of around 5/10 or 6/10. You could go as stiff as 7/10 for the Assassin but I wouldn’t go any stiffer than that. In your case, being your second season, I would stick to 5/10 to 6/10 flex. Within that range your best bet is the boots that fit your feet the best. Other things to consider but fit and flex the 2 most important, IMO. For some good options in that 5/10 to 6/10 flex range, check out:
>>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots
>>My Top All Mountain (medium to medium-stiff flex) Snowboard Boots
Note that some in that first list might be less than 5/10 flex and some in the 2nd list might be more than 6/10 flex, so make sure to pay attention to the details there.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate, thanks a lot for getting back to me will go and try on boots in that flex range. I have read a lot on your site about different boards etc which lead me to getting the assassin in the first place so thank you for sharing your knowledge and making such a great site keep up the good work mate!
You’re very welcome Daniel. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hi Nate,
Lenght of the board: I’m 185 lbs (84kg), size 8.50 or 43,5EU and 5’9 or 180c hight. Intermediate.
Which size suits me?
I’m considering to buy Assassin.
Br, Kenan
Hi Kenan
For your specs for the Assassin, I would be looking at the 159. I think that would be just right for your specs.
Just to note: I went with 180cm as your height (which would be 5’11”) and 43.5 EU for boots (which would translate to either 10 or 10.5 US for most brands – and US9.5 in a couple of cases. In those cases where it would be US9.5 it would be UK8.5 – so maybe that’s where you got the 8.5 from?)
Hope this helps
Hey Nate!
Would you recommend this board to me, if so what size?
I’m a low intermediate or a very fast advancing beginner looking to step it up and buy a nice all mountain board
6’2″ 190lbs 11.5us
Any other recommendations off the top of your head?
Many thanks in advance and love your website!!
Damian
Hi Damian
Thanks for your message.
I think this could work for your level for sure. Size-wise, I’d be looking at the 158W. I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 161, but as a high beginner/low intermediate, I’d size down a little. You will need to go wide with 11.5s, IMO, so I think the 158W would work well.
Some other options to consider:
>>Top 10 Intermediate Snowboards
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I would like your opinion according to my specs for all mountain snowboard standard size.
Age :32
Level : advance
Weight : 188 lbs (85kg)
Height : 6’1
All Mountain / Freestyle
Thanks in advance,
Gaétan
Hi Gaétan
Thanks for your message.
I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 161. But if you’re doing quite a bit of freestyle and depending on the board, you could size down a little from that.
Hope this helps
I was thinking of that length too, many thanks for your fast reply. I’m riding a Salomon Assassin 159 and it’s fine for the moment according to my specs. I will try to do a testing day of the Jones Mountain Twin 160 to compare.
Have a nice day,
Best,
Gaétan B.
Hi Nate,
Seeing a great price on a assassin 153cm, which using your recs & framework seems a fit for me (especially at a discount). But I’m not sure 153cm board length is right / doable. Haven’t bought a snowboard in about 20 years so would be great to get advice.
I’m 5’6″, 150lbs. Advanced beginner / early intermediate. Looking for an all-mountain for more cruising, side hits, and small tricks. Focused on learning switch, butters this season. Not a bomber at all and rarely hit the park, but sometimes do the smaller features. South east US conditions.
DC control boots / Burton Re:Flex bindings
Do you think the Assassin 153cm would make sense?
Hi Jonathan
Thanks for your message.
I think it’s doable. It would suit your style of riding really well, IMO. It’s not ideal for that advanced beginner bordering early intermediate, but it’s doable and really not far off. I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at 153, so the 153 is certainly doable. Typically I would say to err a little smaller as an advanced beginner/early intermediate, which is why I would call it “doable” rather than ideal.
It’s not an exact science, so it might be just right or it might be a little bit of a steeper learning curve to start with than ideal – so yeah long story short, doable.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for the quick reply, Nate. Is it the length or the board type that’s puts it in “doable” category?
In a board shop today, got a good feeling about a GNU Rider’s Choice 154.5. Something about the asym is attractive. But that’s even longer.
Forgot to say size 7 boot if that matters.
Hi Jonathan
The board and the size both in the doable category. IMO the 154.5 Rider’s Choice would be too big. Even more so given your boot size (which does make a difference – if a board is a little wide for your boots, then it’s a good idea to size down the length). If you were to go Rider’s Choice, the 151.5 would be the better bet. Also note that the 2023 Rider’s Choice became a stiffer, slightly more challenging ride than previous models. If you’re looking at the ’22 or earlier model, then it’s more suitable than if you were looking at the ’23 model, IMO.
Hey Nate,
Thank you for all your reviews. It’s been really valuable in the choice process.
I was gonna go for the assassin pro with the highlander bindings.
But honestly, I like the color profile of the regular assassin so much better than the pro.
And as I’m getting older I’m not riding as hard anyways.
I have two questions (similar to everyone else):
– I worry that the highlander bindings are too stiff for the regular assassin. Comments on that? I think in the end I’m going full salomon as I get a discount from their site, so my other options are the district pro team or the alibi pro. However, highlander seems to be a more well made binding. Ideas?
– Lenght of the board. I’m 170 lbs, size 9 boots and 5’10
I’m pretty sure you’ll recommend 156, reading the other comments, but I’m coming of a 162 bataleon board and I think the 159 would suit me better based on that. Especially since I’m doing less play and more powder.
However, it could be fun to go shorter. Will the 159 definitely too long?
Hi Boh
Thanks for your message.
The Highlander is on the stiffer end for the Assassin, but still within range. I wouldn’t go stiffer than that, but I think the Highlander would still be fine. The Alibi Pro and District Pro are going to be just as stiff, so I would be leaning Highlander, if those are the options. I haven’t had the chance to ride it yet, but if you were to go softer, then the Hologram is probably the best bet (again can’t vouch for them having not ridden them, but based on specs, would be a good match to the Assassin, IMO).
It’s close between the 156 and 159. I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 158, which means you could go either way. With 9s, I’d typically say go 156. However, given you’re coming off a 162, I think the 159 would probably work best, particularly if you’re looking for that powder performance.
Hope this helps with your decision
The speed of your reply is amazing! Thank you so much 🙏
I’m Swedish, and not so used to US standards, and realized I’m actually 5 11″ so I think the 159 is perfect!
I also found your posts on proper length (after my post) So very helpful!
Maybe I missed it in the post but I think everyone would be served of it was easily available with all reviews.
Regarding the bindings, I’ll follow your suggestion and if it turns out to be too soft, I think I might just add another free ride specific board to complement the more playful assassin.
Thank you again for your support and for your excellent reviews!
You’re very welcome Boh. Thanks for visiting and hope you have an awesome season!
Nate, in case the previous long and boring “War And Peace” novel I sent earlier is not acceptable for use on your website, here’s the short and sweet Readers Digest “Argue and Get Along” condensed version.
Nate,
Hey Nate,
Thanks for the wonderful service and advice you offer the snowboarding community.
I’m a 71 years old snowboarding instructor at Crystal Mountain Resort (WA) with 9 years riding experience. I currently ride a 153 Orca w/Burton Step On bindings and size 11 Burton Ion boots, I am 6’ at 172#.
I’ve been studying up on some different free style/ride boards to use as my go to board while instructing. I’m not necessarily into the park riding, but would like a twin park like board with good edging for icy conditions, and one that will allow me to easily do butters and ollies.
I think the Yes Greats or Burton Custom Camber might be the ticket, but what do I know.
I am interested In trying a Burton board to match with boots and bindings, but that’s not the absolute solution if there’s something better for.
I appreciate your thoughts and recommendations.
Hi Dave
Thanks for your messages – and I really enjoyed the story, so no need to apologize for it. I found it quite inspirational and hope I can be ripping as much as you do when I’m that age.
I think the Greats would be the best bet for what you’re describing out of those boards. It’s the best in icy conditions of those you mentioned and it’s the easiest maneuvering and best for riding switch, IMO, out of those. Size-wise, I would go with the 156. It will be plenty wide enough for your boots (it’s wider than it looks from the waist width – the width at inserts is plenty wide enough for 11s). I think that size will give you the best balance of being easy to maneuver etc but also be able to still ride it at speed when you need to. I ride a 156 (6’0″, 180lbs, size 10 boot) and love it. I’ve also tested the 154 and even that size works for me, and would be doable for you as well, if you wanted even softer, more maneuverable feeling, but my instinct, based on everything, is that the 156 is the way to go.
I hope this helps and glad we have you on the side of snowboarding now!
Nate,
Great minds think alike, as I to really thought the Yes Greats would fit well into what I want it for. I think I’ll go for the 154 tho, only because my 153 Orca served me so well while instructing, and while free riding it offered me such a wonderful platform for weaving in and around trees on steep terrain.
On second thought, after rereading your recommendations, you’re most likely right about the 156. It’s only 3cm longer than the Orca but 4 shorter than my Rossi XV which also does well in the trees, especially when there’s lots of new snow.
I’m assuming you’d recommend the more flexible Burton ReFlex bindings over the stiffer Burton Genesis ReFlex for the Greats?
BTW, I tried demo skis towards the end of the last season and after eventually rediscovering my ‘ski’ legs I lasted all morning on them, but, couldn’t stop yelling: “I WANT MY SNOWBOARD ON MY FEET!”
Thanks so much for you insightful input.
Hi Dave
Yeah, for the Greats, you could match it to any one of the Malavita, Cartel or Genesis. Even though the Genesis are high-end bindings, they’re actually not that stiff. They’re a medium flex binding. The Cartel X is a little stiffer – and for your purposes/matching the Greats, I would be leaning one of Malavita Cartel (non-x version) or Genesis.
Hey Nate,
Thanks for the wonderful service and advice you offer the snowboarding community.
First off, I profoundly apologize for the extremely long winded (or is it fingered) following epistle.
After about a 25 year hiatus from skiing averaging 60+ days of skiing a year (during the hiatus I was globetrotting for the Army chasing down our nation’s evil bad doer enemies) I started snowboarding at the tender age of 62, yes, I’m old.
Fast forward 9 years to the present (now I’m ancient) and several boards later (160 Lib Tech Jamie Lynn Signature board ; 160 Rossi Angus ; 160 Rossi XV ; 153 Lib Tech Orca ; 156 Lib Tech Apex Orca w/Burton Genesis Re-Flex bindings <new, in-ridden, purchased for those really deep powder days. Yes, we do get a few of them at Crystal once in awhile, especially the last few years) I’m ready for yet another board for my quiver. BTW, I still have and ride all the aforementioned boards, except the Jamie Lynn, as the board was way to advanced for an aged beginner, so I traded it to a snowboarding instructor for five free private lessons.
Last year was my first year as a snowboarding instructor at Crystal Mountain Resort (only certified for beginner and intermediate lessons, with about 50 days instructing), and spent most of my instructors time on the Rossi XV and the Orca. The Orca turned out to be the best and most used board for instructing, because of it’s ease of maneuvering, but, not the best at switch riding, the XV was actually better at switch riding.
As an instructor of a group of beginner/intermediate boarders, I needed to be able to basically “dance” around the students (constantly spinning, switching, and carving hard back and forth between students) while they negotiated intermediate and sometimes, advanced runs. Having said that, I did ok on the Orca, but feel I need a teaching (beginner/intermediate) specific true twin board that allows me to do all the above mentioned, plus be able to easily do butters, Ollies, etc., as we teach that to our intermediate boarders.
Since it’s Northwest riding, we get an occasional dose of nasty icy/crusty/cruddy days (especially in the morning after a day’s rain), and because of their edges and board technology, both the Orca and Rossi perform quite well in adverse crunchy conditions, and those attributes are a must in any board I get.
I’ve been looking at several different free style/ride boards (Jones Tweaker, Yes Greats, CAPiTA Mega Mercury, Burton Blossom or Custom Camber, among others) and am leaning towards the Yes Greats and the Burton boards, but, what do I know?
At my age, did I mention that was really old, I have no real interest in riding the parks, yet, but want a versatile, flexible park like board that will handle, not be handled by the rest of the mountain too…. I think?
I am intrigued/interested in going with a Burton to try their Channel mounting system???
My physical stats and such are: Advanced/ing intermediate rider; 6’ @ 172#; size 11 Burton Ion Step On boots w/Burton Re-Flex Step On bindings for most teaching and most every other day use; for the fun days with my snowboarding buds when we like to swap boards, I usually ride the Orca with size 11 ThirtyTwo Lashed Double Boa boots w/Union Atlas or Flo NX2 Hybrid bindings.
P.S. More minutiae: I haven’t seen or looked for any of your comments/reviews on the Burton Step On bindings. Well, whether you want it or not, here’s my review/experience: After a whole season (60+ days) of riding the Step On system, I utterly love those bindings with their effortless boot mounting and ease of exiting them and their instantaneous transmission of power from my boots to the board. Additionally, with more than a few gnarly barrel rolling exploits, ok, falls/crashes, which I survived mostly unscathed (I tend to ride very aggressively, often way beyond my skill level to keep up with my advanced/expert riding buds…Yes, I am a decrepit senior adrenaline junky). Several of the mishaps were hard planted tomahawks, with one catastrophically violent fall resulting in a severely torn Achilles at the end of the season. Throughout all those falls, I had absolutely no premature ejections from the bindings. That, IMO, is a positive testament to the Burton Step On system. Although, I sorta wish they would have ejected me on that last fall, as my Achilles is still recovering 5 months later. That’s one advantage the skiers might have over the knuckle draggers???
Footnote: Back in the day as a skier, I absolutely despised those ‘Wild Child’ freaks on those newfangled planks of plywood called a snowboard. In ‘81, I actually bought a Burton stick, rode it once and hated the experience, so, stuck with the skis. Now, I’m one of them! I guess that makes me a ‘Wild Geezer’?
Hey Nate,
I’m pretty much sold on this board, but like everyone else, I just want to get you opinion on sizing. I’m 5’ 10”, 165lbs, with 9.5 boots.
I ride mainly in the Midwest and make a few trips out west each year. I’ll charge hard if I need to keep up with my buddies, but going fast down a groomed run doesn’t really do it for me. I like to explore and ride any powder I can find, but if I’m on a groomer, I prefer to cruise a little slower, look for side hits, butter around, and hit small to medium park features from time to time.
I also have a modest quiver:
Jib board – Bataleon Disaster 151
Volume shift powder board – NS instigator 152
Softish park board – NS Funslinger 154w
I like the idea of a board that I can through around and maneuver easily, so I’m leaning towards the 153 rather than the 156, but obviously the trade off is less stability at higher speeds.
What do you think?
Hi Shawn
Thanks for your message.
I think the most pure size for this board is the 156 for your specs. It’s just right, IMO. However, the 153 isn’t so far off as to be wrong. And if you prefer smaller boards, then it’s certainly doable. And looking at your quiver, it does seem that you err on the shorter side. You’re correct that you would be trading stability at speed (and float in powder) to gain easier maneuverability, spinability, butterability. Typically for your specs, I’d say go 156. But 153 isn’t wrong at all. I rode the 156 and really liked it and I’ve got a bit of size on you (6’0″, 180lbs, 10 boot). I would say that that around a 154 would be a close equivalent for you, for how I felt the 156, if that makes sense, so it could certainly work.
Hope this gives you more to go off
Thanks for the quick response.
That makes total sense. I was actually thinking the same thing. If this board came in a 154 I think that would be perfect.
One follow up question. I was also looking at the Mercury. How do you think these two compare? The Mercury seems to be a bit stiffer. Coming from a rocker-dominant board, I felt like that might be a little more catchy. How do you think the pop compares with these two boards?
Hi Shawn
Yeah, the Mercury certainly a little stiffer, IMO, and a little less maneuverable at slower speeds. It is better in powder, IMO, and it’s a little more stable when riding faster and better for bigger more aggressive carves, but not as good for slashing turns. A little harder to butter as well. I think for what you’re describing, I would be leaning Assassin. But if you did go 153 Mercury, you would be getting a little bit more maneuverability out of it and it would make it a little easier to butter as well.
In terms of pop I would say that they are fairly equal, but it’s a different feel. The pop from the Assassin is easier to access. It takes less effort to extract it. When you do wind it up you get a little more, but most of it easy to access. The Mercury still has some fairly easy access pop, but not quite as much as the Assassin. When you do wind up the Mercury, I would say it has slightly more overall pop – quite poppy when you put some effort into it. But the Assassin’s total pop is pretty good too.
Hi, and thanks for this resource!
I’m getting back into boarding a bit, I’ve been out for 10 years due to kids but they’re getting old enough now to take to the mountain so I got them in ski club last year and that means I get to go back to the mountain too.
My gear is 20 years old now, so I was looking at new stuff. My local shop has the assassin. I’m 5’6″, 150-155lbs, size 8 boots and my old board was a Ride Serum 157, but I was looking at the assassin in a 153. I was thinking of pairing this up with the burton genesis step on bindings and photon boots.
Conditions are ice, Camelback mountain in Pa is where I’ll be 99% of the time and it’s a block of ice with man made snow here and there, I’ll be cruising greens with the kids and doing whatever I can on those slopes. Mb a trip to Vermont could be in the cards
In the event that I ever get to go by myself I’ll spend most of the day fast carving and smaller jumps etc. I tend to ride with both feet degreed forward and as a result hardly ever go switch.
What do you think of my proposed new setup for this kind of use?
Hi Pearse
Thanks for your message.
I think the Assassin is a good option. It strikes a good balance of being able to be fun riding slow and doing little tricks and the likes on Greens, but then can still handle some speed and carving as well. And it’s decent in icy conditions, in my experience. Size-wise, I think your spot on with the 153. The Photon/Genesis Step On matches too. That combo is a touch stiffer than the board, but still within a good range as a match. So, not much else to say, I think you’d be good with that setup for your purpose.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks a lot for your advice, I appreciate it!
You’re very welcome Pearse. Hope you have an awesome season!
I purchased the assassin today, and I tried the Burton boots on. I also tried the K2 Maysis clicker X and I think I liked the way they fit me better.
I like the idea of the Burton attachment points more than the K2, but the boot fit is making me reconsider.
Do you have any input on the K2 clicker X step on system? Both shops I went to have a sale at the moment so I’d like to purchase tomorrow if possible.
Hi Pearse
THis might be too late for your decision. But I wouldn’t have been much help in this case anyway. I haven’t tried K2’s clicker system, so I can’t say. Typically I do like K2’s regular snowboard boots. But I haven’t tried their clicker boot/bindings, so I’m not sure how well they work.
Hi Nate, I wrote you a message here few hours ago, posted and it looked fine… but now I realize it has disappeared! Can you please tell me if something happened and if I have to write it again? Maaaaany thanks!
Hi Andrea
Just had to moderate it (which I typically do as I reply) – you should see it there now, as well as my response.
Hi Nate, thanks a lot for your huge and accurate work, really really appreciated!
After 11 years with a Ride Antic 154 and Ride EX bindings I am about changing, and I was about going for the Assassin 156 (I am 5’10 an 155 lbs). After carefully reading your reviews and all the comments, I am pretty sure it would be good for my use (grooms, some jumps and sides, trying to getting better and better at carving, some powder when possible, going fast with skiers friends also, not really into the park thing), although I am a bit tempted with the PRO version… but it ‘s another 80$ difference in shops here.
So, first of all, I would like to have your opinion on my model and size choice.
Also, I am looking for suggestions for bindings to pair with the thing (my boots are Burton Ruler size 9): I am mainly in between Hologram and Force, although I am worried that the Hologram might add further “undesired” softness to the whole pack (am I wrong) compared to the Force… or also to other slightly harder (Strata? Alibi Pro? just to think at two from same manufacturers). Any suggestion is gold for me!
Thanks a lot, really! Cheers
Hi Andrea
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, I would go 153 – it’s a better length and width for your specs, IMO. The 156 is a bit too big, IMO. 153 just right though.
I think the Assassin would suit you well for what you’re describing (in the 153). The Assassin Pro is stiffer – could be doable, but given you’re coming from the Antic, you may find it too stiff. I never rode the Antic, but from a quick bit of research, I would say that the Assassin is already a bit stiffer than it. Not a hard no for the Assassin Pro but my instinct is to go Assassin.
In terms of bindings both the Hologram and the Force are good matches to the Assassin, IMO. The Hologram is what I would consider a 5/10 flex and the Force a 6/10 flex. The Strata, in my experience, isn’t any stiffer than the Force – it’s also around 6/10 flex. I prefer the Strata over the Force personally because of better board feel – I find them better for ollies, butters, side hits etc. But between them in terms of feel, I would say the Strata has a more explosive, springy, dynamic kind of response, if that makes sense – with the Force having more of a smooth, consistent feel. Some prefer one over the other, but I prefer the feel of the Strata personally. But both good bindings. But the Hologram would also work with the Assassin, so there’s not a wrong choice there.
Hope this helps
Thanks a lot for your superfast reply Nate!
Ok for going with standard Assassin!
And ok for details on the proposed bindings!
My only remaining doubt is on the 153 size… I was pretty sure you were going to suggest the 156, probably thniking at better floating in powder and better stability speeding on hard snow… am I wrong?
PS I am really sorry for bothering with the other message, thanks anyway for spending some time to reply to that as well.
Hi Andrea
Bigger does equal better float and more stability at speed, but the 153 should give you plenty in that respect – and going too long you can end up sacrificing too much in terms of maneuverability and can become fatiguing to ride. Sizing is predominantly about weight and foot size (and ability level and riding style comes into it as well – height does factor in a little bit but it’s the least important factor, IMO). I would put your “standard all-mountain” size at around 154, but I would err to 153 rather than 156, taking into account boot size. 156 wouldn’t be unrideable for you or anything, but the 153 would be more optimal, IMO.
Hi Nate,
you have been extremely clear and helpful, thanks a lot!!!
Final question, if I am allowed: for a real (in my view) all-mountain use (as said before, about everything except park/pipe/jibs), any better alternatives you would suggest?
Have a nice day and thanks again!
Hi Andrea
I think the Assassin would work well, but if you wanted a little more in terms of powder vs the Assassin, then you could look at something like the Jones Mountain Twin, Slash Brainstorm, Nitro Team Gullwing or Rossignol One.
Hey Nate- hope all is well. Thanks so much for your time and effort with this page. Super grateful!
Would love to hear your thoughts on deciding between the Assassin 156cm, Assassin Pro 159cm, or Arbor Shiloh Camber 156cm.
I’m 5’10, 174lbs, Size 11 boot and slightly-above intermediate. I’m worried the normal Assassin is too soft/playful at a ~5/10 flex. I don’t mind a board that is a beast in the park but don’t want to suffer too much speed or edge-wise. My priorities are definitely going fast and carving/turning but I also like jumps/sidehits/a little park (not as much as I love bombing). With this considered, I think I’d lean towards the Assassin Pro but can only find 159cm available. I’m currently on a 155cm board so I’m afraid this would be too big for my build.
Thank you so much, boss! Cheers!
Hi Kien
Thanks for your message.
Given what you’re describing, I would be leaning towards the Assassin Pro as well. But the Shiloh camber would also work well for what you’re describing – and in terms of aggressiveness, I’d say it’s in between the Assassin and Assassin Pro.
In terms of sizing, there’s 2 things to consider here – the width and length.
In terms of length, I would put you at a “standard all-mountain” size of around 158 for your specs. That’s assuming a relatively advanced level – which you’re at. So it’s a close call between 156 and 159. Since you’re used to a 155, I would be leaning towards 156, but 159 is doable.
In terms of width, with 11s, you might be pushing it width-wise on any of those. For most boards, 11s usually equals wide board, though there are some regular width boards wide enough for 11s. That said, if you’re currently riding a regular width (depending on how wide it is) 155 and haven’t had any boot drag issues, then you might be OK. For reference, the width at inserts of the 3 boards you’re looking at:
– Assassin 156: 262mm
– Assassin Pro 159: 264mm
– Shiloh Camber 156: 267mm
If you have low profile 11s and ride with +15/-15 binding angles or similar (i.e. anything with a reasonable amount of angle on both bindings), then I think you get away with the Shiloh Camber for sure. If you’re not having issues with boot drag with your current board, then you might be fine on the others too. What board are you currently riding?
My instinct says to go 156 Shiloh Camber. I think it’s got everything you need in a size that you’re likely to be most comfortable with and offers a little more leeway width-wise.
Hope this helps
Nate,
Thanks so much for the thoughtful response.
I’m currently riding a 2010 Rossingol Retox 155cm that was given to me (way overdue for an upgrade haha) and it’s a total park board. For some reason I haven’t noticed any boot drag issues in my ’22 K2 Maysis Size 11’s (29cm according to their site) but it may be because I haven’t been carving deep enough on this board, mostly spring-riding in Big Bear & Mammoth.
I really appreciate your help- definitely set on the Assassin Pro or Shiloh now. Do you think the 159cm Assassin Pro would be on the bigger side (length/weight-wise) for someone my size? Or would this be manageable (considering the boot drag is okay)
Hi Kien
I think the 159 Assassin Pro is on the bigger side for you, but it’s nothing outrageously too big or anything. I’d say it would be manageable.
Hi Nate,
I recently rode the Assassin 156, and found it a bit too cumbersome in the trees and in quick switch turning between heel/toe. I struggled most getting the tail whipped around and found it difficult to skid in this manor. I’m wondering if you think the 150 or 153 would be better, or if I should look for a different board all together.
I am 5’10, 165lbs, size 10.5 boot
I previously rode a Burton Clash (camber) 151cm and can really manhandle it in the trees, which is the type of feel I prefer. I would appreciate any input! Thanks!
Hi Griffin
Thanks for your message.
I think the 156 is the best size in this board for you. However, given that you used to ride a 151, the 153 could work. Sizing down would certainly help to make it easier/better for quick turns and skidding, so you would certainly see improvement sizing down. If you went for another similar board, the YES Typo is the first that comes to mind as I found it really quick edge to edge – probably in the 155, but if you wanted to make it really maneuverable the 152. One caution with those smaller sizes is that they are bordering on being too narrow for 10.5 boots. That said, if you never had any drag issues with the Clash 151, then it shouldn’t be a problem.
Hope this helps
Thank you! Very much appreciated. I’m glad I found this review!
You’re very welcome Griffin. Thanks for visiting.
Hi Nate,
I just got the Salomon Assassin 163 w but I’m not sure what bindings I should pair with it. Any suggestions would definitely be appreciated. Keep up the good work!
Hi Tyler
Thanks for your message.
I think something around 7/10 to 8/10 flex for bindings for the Assassin Pro would work well. Some good options in the following, IMO:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
Hello Nate,
I’m interested in the Salomon board. what choice to make between size 153 or 156?
I am 180 cm tall and weigh 65 kg.
I have an intermediate/confirm level.
I would like to enjoy this board on groomed slopes and also have fun freestyle. for the boots, I’m size 41.
Can you also advise me on the choice of boots? for bindings I chose the strata.
Thank you very much for your precious help and sorry for m’y English 😅
Hi Will
Thanks for your message.
I would go 153 for sure. I would put you on around a 154 as your “standard all-mountain” size based on height/weight. With your boot size, it would be a good idea to size down, IMO, so 156 would be sizing up, IMO. I think the 153 should work well. If you were going to be predominantly riding fun freestyle, I would also consider the 150. But as your all-mountain board, I think the 153 should work well.
Hope this helps with your decision
Can you explain the difference between this assassin board and the assassin PRO board
Hi Yehuda
Thanks for your message.
Main difference is that the Assassin Pro is stiffer and lighter. Also overall has a little more pop. Practically speaking, I found the Assassin Pro to be better at high speed, better for carving and a little more pop. With the Assassin being the more easier going ride – a little more agile at slower speeds, easier to butter, better for jibs.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate!
Amazing content here! Have read so many of your reviews and have learned so much from even reading all the comments. Is has helped me narrow down my search by a lot!
Was hoping you could help me out. I’m looking for an all mountain board. I can only go snowboarding 1,5 week once per year, in which I want to get the maximum out of a mountain. My top priorities are going down slopes, freestyling, carving, side hits, small/medium jumps, tree roads and a little powder. Since it’s just 1,5 week per year I can’t do too much of everything. I’m an advanced boarder , I’m 5”10.5 and 169 pounds and wear boot size 10.5.
Most important I think is that the board is playful, but still holds its own at speed an when carving, and that is doesn’t drown completely in powder. I’ve narrowed down to options below, do you think either of these would suit? Please feel free to suggest other options if you think something else suits better.
– Salomon Assassin
– Yes Standard
– Arbor Shiloh (not sure if camber or rocker)
Thanks in advance for the help!
Sergio
Hi Sergio
Thanks for your message.
I think I’d be leaning Standard for what you’re describing as the best all-rounder.
The Shiloh Camber would work – I think for what you’re describing, I’d go camber over rocker. The Rocker would be better for powder, but for speed, carving etc, the camber is the better option. Powder is the biggest downside. If you don’t get deep powder, then I think you get away with it in powder, but if it gets a bit deeper, then it won’t float as well.
The Assassin won’t give you quite as much for powder as Standard, when you take into account the slam back inserts on the Standard. But it would certainly work. I would say the Assassin is the most playful for the 3. The other 2 certainly aren’t overly aggressive or anything, but the Assassin just a little more playful.
Size-wise, I’d be leaning towards:
– Standard: 156, it’s quite a wide board, so if you wanted it really playful, then the 153 is also an option, but I’d be leaning 156.
– Assassin: 159 – the 156 might be a little narrow for your boot size. And the 158 a bit too wide. I’d consider the 156 otherwise, for sure. If you think you could get on the 156 width-wise, then that’s an option. With 10.5s it’s bordering on too narrow though – it’s 262mm at the inserts. If you ride +15/-15, have low profile boots and don’t carve super deep, then it’s probably OK.
– Shiloh Camber: 156 – this one is wider than it looks – only 251mm at waist, but 267mm at inserts, so should be wide enough in this size.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Thank you very much. Really helpful and appreciated!
In terms of the assassin size, would a 156 work wit boot size 10?
And would the Jones mountain twin be a good option as well, compared to the assassin and standard?
Thanks so much!
Hi Sergio
If you got into a 10, the 156 should be fine in the Assassin, IMO.
Mountain Twin would fit what you’re describing well, IMO. It’s really versatile and consistent across conditions. Usually can’t go wrong with the Mountain Twin – size-wise, I’d go 157 and it’s wide enough for 10.5s in the 157, IMO.
Hey Nate, Man Im trying to shop a new board. I have been riding an old Ride Timeless 159 (full camber) for many years.
I am a solid intermediate rider.
I am 51yo so I tend to do more Carving and pretty deceent speed on mostly groomers and crust in the NorthEast.
I would like s board that handles solidly but gives a chance to do some sidehits and ride switch a little.
I am looking at the Salomon Assassin, Arbor Shilo (camber) and tjhe Jones Frontier.
Im 5’-8” 170# with a 8.5 boot.
Any input or other suggestions would be so greatly appreciated.
Hi Jim
Thanks for your message. ‘
Even though it sounds like you’re looking for a more forgiving board, coming from the Timeless you might find the Assassin too soft. The Timeless is one of the stiffest boards I’ve ridden and the Assassin is more like 5/10 flex. I would consider the Assassin Pro (which I felt at 6.5/10 flex) or the Shiloh (6/10 flex) and Frontier (6.5/10 flex). I think they will give you enough of a more forgiving feel and work for what you’re describing well. The Shiloh and Assassin Pro, IMO, would be the better choices for sidehits and switch.
Size-wise, purely based on specs and how you describe your riding, I would be looking in that 154-156 range. But given that you’re used to a 159, you could certainly go bigger, given that you’re already going to go more forgiving. So for the boards you’re looking at, I would look at:
– Assassin/Assassin Pro: 156 or 159 – I think if you were going to go Assassin, then 159 would be the best bet, as if you go that much softer and also smaller, it might feel too playful/small
– Shiloh 156 – but if you wanted to keep a similar size feel, the 159 is doable as well
– Frontier 159 – this is a board you can ride a little longer. I don’t think the 156 would be wrong for you, but with this board, I’d be leaning 159, particularly given what you’re used to.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
I am in the market for an all mountain board that is still pretty decent in the park. I want something that is good a bigger and deeper carves and is stable at high speeds and through rough terrain. I am 6 ft 150 lbs. I have looked at the Assassins, the huck knifes, the DOA, and the never summer. All have some of what I want, but not all of it. I know this sounds like a crazy request considering this would be the perfect board, but what board would be best? Anyothers out there?
Hi Josh
Thanks for your message.
Assuming you’re not looking for a board that will be good in powder, I think the following would suit what you’re describing well.
– Niche Crux
– Never Summer Proto Synthesis
– YES The Greats
– Burton Blossom
Or if you wanted to go with something stiffer/more aggressive, I’d also look into:
– Salomon Assassin Pro
– Burton Freethinker
– Ride Burnout
– Capita Super DOA
Hope this helps
Hey, I found a wicked deal on the 2021 model of this board however it is only available in a 159. I am 6’1″, 170lbs, and currently wearing a size 11 burton moto, however, thinking of going to an 11.5 possibly. I was wondering if you thought this shoe size and board size would work?
Thanks,
Thomas
Hi Thomas
Thanks for your message.
I think you’d be pushing it with 11.5s. With low profile 11s, +15/-15 angles and a style that isn’t overly aggressive (i.e. not going super deep in carves), then I think you’d likely be fine. But going up to 11.5s, I think would be pushing too far, unless you had a really casual riding style (and still the lowest profile boots you could find and +15/-15, or similar, binding angles).
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I just got the assassin 2022, i hear that this board is not really good on icy days or firm snow, is it really that bad or this is just not a big deal if you put some effort into it, i understand that this is because of the board’s sidecuts maybe ? If not can you explain more in details how this board is not doing very good on firm snow ( im from Montreal, Quebec, and this is only my second winter shredding)
Thanks
Hi Rob
Thanks for your message.
Honestly I didn’t find this board that bad in firm/hard snow. It’s not up there with the best in those conditions, but it’s also not bad, IMO. It doesn’t have any specific edge tech to help it in hard/icy snow (although the variable side cut (Quadrilizer) will likely help with edge hold), like having “serrated” edges or anything like that, but in my experience it’s not that bad. Maybe I’ve always ridden it with sharp edges, but I found it fine in terms of edge hold. I’ve ridden it mostly in pretty good snow – but did get some harder patches and it handled them fine.
If you’re really worried about it, make sure to get the edges sharpened from time to time and I think you should be fine.
Hope this helps
Thank you for the answer, i’ll keep that in mind
You’re very welcome Rob. Happy riding!
Hey Nate!
Firstly, I’m currently looking into this board and the Jones Mountain Twin and am leaning a little bit more towards this one but am wondering what would you think? I’m wanting a board that is going to be very good on powder, groomers, and through trees (which would be my top priority in a board). But also I’m wanting to be able to start making my way up to 180s and 360s on side hits and jumps.
And secondly, I’m wondering which size you would suggest if I do end up going with this board. I’m 6’3, 175lbs, and have a size 10.5 K2 Maysis boot. I’m leaning towards the 158W but have looked at some other replies with a size 10.5 boot and saw that you say the regular should be fine. I currently have my bindings set at 15,-9. Would you suggest that I go with the 158W, 159, or 156?
Hi Daniel
Thanks for your message.
I think the Assassin would certainly work for what you’re describing. The Mountain Twin (MT) is a little better in powder, IMO, with the Assassin being better for jumps and spins. So it’s kind of depends on which one of those you want to prioritize getting the most out of the board. The Assassin isn’t bad in powder and the MT certainly isn’t bad for jumps/spins, so going one way or the other isn’t going to be a wrong choice or anything, but if there’s something that you want to maximize a little more than the other, that’s how I’d decide between these 2 boards.
Size-wise, it’s a tight call between the 159 and 158W. In some cases a 10.5 on the 159 I would be pretty confident. The 159 has a width at inserts of around 264mm. I’m typically confident riding anything 260mm+ with 10s, so with 10.5s, I would up that to 265mm+, so you’re on the cusp. I do sometimes ride boards with <260mm at insert width, and I haven't run into boot drag issues. But typically I ride low profile boots with +15/-15 angles. K2 boots aren't the most low profile, so I think it's pushing it being a bit narrow. The 158W would be the safer choice in this case.
Note that going narrower - if you went 159 - would likely give you easier maneuverability, which would be a plus in the trees, but the extra surface area of the 158W would help with powder and give you a wider landing platform for landing jumps - so there's a bit of a trade off there. The 158W Assassin is around 272mm at the inserts, so it's not like crazy wide for 10.5s or anything. In terms of boot drag, the 158W would be the safer bet, but if you're looking to maximize agility in trees, then taking a chance on the 159 might be worth it - just note there's no guarantees you won't encounter some boot drag - I'd say you'd be fine, but there is some chance there. Also kind of depends on how deep you like to carve. If you're like euro carving on groomers or that kind of thing, then the 159 is probably going to be too narrow. If you don't carve that aggressively, then you probably get away with the 159.
Hope this helps with your decision
Awesome, thank you for the advice!! I’m thinking I probably will end up going with the Assassin then just based on what you said up there.
For the board width, I’m thinking just based on what you were saying with maneuverability, the 159 sounds to be a little bit more to what I would like. I’m wondering just say if I switch my boots to Burton Moto Boas or some Burton boot (same size of 10.5), do you think that would make a big difference in the possibility of toe drag? I’m just thinking that if the K2’s are considered a higher profile boot, what would you say about the Burton ones working on a board like this. And then with that (I’m sorry for all the complicated questions) do you think that going from the Maysis to the Moto Boa would be bumping down too much in quality or would it be a smart change to lean more towards the 159 board?
Hi Daniel
I got both of your messages, but I’ll answer this one first, then the other one below.
Switching to a Burton boot or other low profile boot would certainly decrease your chances of boot drag. Burton boots are lower profile than K2 boots, in my experience, so yeah, I would be more confident with Burton 10.5s on the 159 than the K2 10.5s. However, I wouldn’t go to the Moto’s. They are too soft for the Assassin and a lot softer than the Maysis. If you switched to Burton boots, I would go with the Photon (previously Imperial) or Photon Boa for the equivalent flex of the Maysis – and to match the Assassin. Or you could Swath, Swath BOA, Kendo,Ruler or Ruler BOA if you wanted something a little softer, but I wouldn’t go as soft as the Motos – too soft for what you want to do and for the Assassin, IMO.
I would try to go at least 5/10 flex for the Assassin and up to 7/10. Some low profiles check out (look in the details to find those with flex that match your needs):
>>My Top 12 Low Profile Snowboard Boots
Those aren’t all the low profile options, but in case you wanted to look around at other brands.
Awesome, thank you so much for this advice, it is going to be very helpful if I decide to get a new boot!
Hey Nate,
Thanks for getting back to me with this advice!! I think that I might end up going with the regular board instead of the wide just based on my riding style and what I think I am going to be wanting. I’m wondering though about the 156 vs 159. I see that for my weight (175) that a 159 board is more on the end of the suggested lengths and because I’m wanting to focus on maneuverability I’m thinking that I want to maybe go a little bit shorter. Do you think that the 156 would end up being too small and narrow? Or would you say that it could be a good choice?
Hi Daniel
The 156 is within range. I think 159 is probably the most suited length for you for this board, but if you really wanted to maximize your maneuverability in the trees, the 156 is certainly an option. Just note that you would be sacrificing some powder performance and stability at speed to gain that extra maneuverability.
It’s getting on the really narrow side for 10.5s though, so if you were to go with 156, then I would 100% change to lower profile boots. And even then no guarantees, but if you’re not really aggressive with your carving, it might be OK with low profile boots.
Awesome, thank you for all the help!! I think I’m going to decide going with the 159 and appreciate all the advice you have given to help me make that decision.
You’re very welcome Daniel. If you think about it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow.
Yo so I have a Rome garage rocker 154 currently. It was my beginner board back in 2016, but last season I realized I had outgrown its flex. I want an all mountain board with a freestyle touch to it so I know this is great but what size should I get? I have union strata bindings and size 10 boots and I am 5’10” 140 lbs.
Hi Connor
Thanks for your message.
I think the 153 is just right for you, in terms of length.
In terms of width it should be wide enough. The 153 is around 260mm at the inserts, which I’m always comfortable on with 10s. But a couple of things to think about to see if it’s wide enough.
1. What binding angles do you ride? (if you ride with something like +15/-15 or similar then that gives you more leeway in terms of width versus a straighter back binding angle)
2. What boots are you riding? Some boots are more low profile than others.
3. How hard do you like to carve? The deeper you carve, the more chance for boot drag.
If you’ve got bulky boots, a straighter back binding angle and really like to rail your carves, then I think the 153 might be pushing it too narrow for 10s, but if some of those things are in your favor you should be good. I am always comfortable with 10s, with a 260mm width at inserts, but I typically ride +15/-15 angles and gravitate towards lower profile boots. That said, I’ve ridden +15/-15 on some 260mm at insert boards with bulkier 10s and haven’t run into issues either. But if everything isn’t in your favor from the 3 things above, then it could be pushing it too narrow.
Strata are a great match for the Assassin, IMO, and for how you describe your riding. Assuming they’re the Medium Strata’s, they should fit fine on the board. If they are the Large Strata, then they will be too big (overhang the edges too much)
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I’m trying to decide what size Salomon Assassin would be best for me. I’m an intermediate rider and have been riding for two seasons. I spend most of my time on groomers and in the trees but I’m also wanting to learn more freestyle this season, particularly small jumps and side hits. I’m debating between the 158W, 159, or 162. The sizing charts suggest I could ride any of these boards. Any thoughts on which length and waist width combination might suit me the best?
210 lbs
5’11”
Size 10 Ride Lasso boots
(+18 / -12) binding angles
Thanks!
Hi Cameron
Thanks for your message.
Given that you like to ride trees, and your wanting to learn more freestyle and taking into account your experience, I would be leaning to 159 for your specs.
With Lasso 10s and those binding angles there’s no need to go wide. Personally I don’t like to go wide – and I ride mostly 10s for boots (sometimes 9.5s, depending on the brand). I’m typically around 175-180lbs in the winter, so with a few extra pounds, you would probably not dislike wide boards with 10s as much as I do (easier to get leverage on the edges with a bit of extra weight), but personally I still wouldn’t go wide unless you really had to. If you were riding with a straighter back binding angle and liked to euro carve or that sort of thing, then maybe 158W.
If you were more advanced and mostly bombed groomers, hit powder and bowls, etc, then 162 would probably be the better bet, but I would be leaning 159 for you, taking everything into account.
Hope this helps
Awesome, I think the 159 will be the winner.
Thanks so much Nate!
You’re very welcome Cameron. Hope it treats you well!
Hi Nate,
I’m looking to upgrade my board, and I have my eye on the Salomon Assassin. I’ve been an occasional rider since about 2000 (a handful of days out in a year at most, several years without riding at all). Mostly Midwest groomers, though I’m starting to dabble in freestyle (disproving the adage about old dogs). I do more carving than jumping but I like to ride switch and do butters. I’ve been riding my circa 2000 cambered 155 cm 5150 since the beginning.
I like the Assassin for the rocker outside the feet, for a bit more forgiveness and playfulness (no complaints about easier turn initiation either), with the camber under/between the feet for a more familiar feel. I think a directional twin makes sense for me. (Also I really like how it looks, both the 2021 and the 2022 version, with the wood grain and graphics).
In short, I’m looking for an all mountain board that leans freestyle. I’m not really sure where the beginner/intermediate/advanced/expert lines are; I’d guess I’m somewhere in the intermediate range. You think the Assassin is a good choice for me? Anything else you think I should take a closer look at?
Assuming it’s the Assassin, what do you think about size? I’m about 130 lbs., 5’10”, and I’m wearing a size 10 Burton Ruler boot. My current stance is +12/-3, though I may open my back foot a bit more next season. Based on the weight charts, I’m thinking a 150 cm, but will that be too narrow? Would the 153 cm also be too narrow?
Many thanks for your thoughts!
Matt
Hi Matt
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing, I think the Assassin would be a great choice – something that’s not going to feel too weird compared to what you’re used to, but giving you something with a bit more forgiveness. And all-mountain, leaning on the freestyle side is exactly what the Assassin is, IMO. And good for intermediate to advanced riders, so you’re all good there too.
Size-wise, I think the 150 is probably the best bet purely based on specs, but given that you’re used to riding a full camber 155, I think the 153 will probably work best. Going to 150 you’ll be loosing quite a bit of effective edge and it’s quite a big drop compared to what you’re used to. I think if you were coming off a 152 or something like that, then I’d be leaning 150 for the Assassin, but given what you’re coming off and what you’ve been used to for 20 years, I think 153 is the smarter choice.
Width-wise, I think the 150 probably would be too narrow as well, with those binding angles. With more angle on the back foot, you’d probably get away with it, given you have Burton boots, which are pretty low profile. I think with a stance of like +15/-15 or similar, you’d get away with the 150, unless you were really railing your carves (e.g. eurocarves). But the 153 gives you a bit more leeway. With those binding angles, could still be pushing it a little on the 153, depending on how deep you like to carve. With more angle on that back foot I would be more confident width-wise.
Hope this helps
Nate,
Awesome, thank you! Your site is a great resource, thanks for all that you do!
Best,
Matt
You’re very welcome Matt. Thanks for visiting!
Hello Nate,
I’m looking for an all mountain board (intermediate/ advanced) and I found a deal on the YES standard 2021 (156cm) and Salomon Assassin 2020 (156). I cannot decide which one. the YES seams to be the best overall board especially on the East coast (Montréal, Québec) with often icy snow conditions, powder is hard to find in resorts around here. I red that the YES needs to be sized down, but the 153 is out of stock. I currently have an old Rosignol 155 and the size is perfect for me. But I can manage 1-2 cm extra.
I do half free ride – half free style, i’m looking for stability, side kickers, speed, edge hold and more pop than my stiff Rosignol. I like to hit the pack for small jumps, box and rail, but I won’t spend the entire day.
and i kind of lost with all those Camber/camronck /rocker options like 2-4-2
im 5’11 / 180lbs / size 11 boots
Thanks,
Hi Olivier
Thanks for your message.
For the Standard, I think you’re best bet is actually the 156. That’s sizing down a bit already for your specs, IMO. And with size 11 boots, you don’t need to size down that much for the Standard. I think 156 is spot on for that board for you – and 153 would probably be too small for you, unless you were predominantly riding freestyle/park and weren’t really riding at speed that much. So yeah, I’d go 156 for you for the Standard anyway.
For the Assassin I’d probably go 158W – or 159 if you felt like you didn’t need to go wide. You could also go 156 if you prefer to ride smaller – and if you feel like it’s wide enough. But probably a bit narrow for your boots, IMO.
2-4-2 is saying there’s 2mm rocker tail, 4mm camber down the middle of the board and 2mm rocker tip. This is just notation that YES uses to describe how much camber and how much rocker their different profiles have.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I just demo’d the 2019/2020 Assassin and plan on purchasing the 202`1. I’m 5’9”, 170 lbs and wear a 11 Burton Ruler and large Malavitas. Do you think the 156 would work, or step up to the 158w? Thanks for the help!
Hi Carlton
Thanks for your message.
I think the 156 is just that bit too narrow for 11s. Even with the Rulers, which are fairly low profile. I think the 156 would be a good length for you, but I think just too narrow. I think the 158W would be a good width – wide but not too wide (some wides are too wide even for 11s, IMO). I think if you were a really casual rider, like really didn’t lean that hard into your carves and rode with +15/-15 angles, then you might get away with 156, but otherwise there’s risk of boot drag there and I would go 158W. What size did you test?
Thanks for that info, Nate. I tested the 156 (sales associate agreed on the 158W). I’m currently using +12/-9. I’m not sure how aggressive I am as an intermediate, but I definitely enjoy working on carving vice skidding turns. Thanks did your time.
You’re very welcome Carlton. Yeah I think if you’re looking to improve your carves, then the 158W is going to give you more room to carve deeper without risk of boot drag that you could experience on the 156, once you’re getting deeper on those carves. So yeah I think 158W is the safer bet.
Nate, final question, promise!! I’m definitely leaning Assassin. The other boards on my list in order of pref are the Burton 3D Daily Driver, Ride Algorythm, NS Proto Synthesis, and Jones MT. Again, intermediate rider, mostly groomers, like the side hits, would love to get in some pow, but zero interest in park. 5’9”, size 11 Ruler with L Malavita bindings. Would the 3D DD 155 size work? Haven’t been able to find many reviews on the Algorythm…NS has great reviews but I typically ride one way so leaning directional twin…I did see some customer service reviews on Jones that make me pause on the MT…I’ll base my next demos on your rec. Thanks a ton.
Hi Carlton
I haven’t ridden the Algorhythm yet – have tried to get my hands on one the last couple of seasons, to no avail. I have a 3D Daily Driver on it’s way to me as we speak, but won’t get it until next week, so I’m also not sure how that one rides.
If you’re not looking to ride switch that doesn’t discount the Proto Synthesis entirely but you’re probably better off with one of the others, given that you want to ride powder. One of the only things that the Proto Synthesis isn’t that good at is powder.
The Mountain Twin is always a solid choice, IMO. It’s consistent across all types of terrain and doing pretty much everything. Worth testing. Think it’s worth testing the Algorhythm too (and you can tell me about it, if somehow I still don’t get my hands on one this season!).
In terms of the Daily Driver 155, in terms of width, not sure what it’s like at the inserts (but I can let you know next week), but I suspect it’s probably still too narrow for 11s. Length-wise, I think it works, but width would be borderline.
Hi Nate,
I’m currently in the market for a board, I have my eyes set on the Assassin but currently am having trouble with figuring out sizing. I’m 5’10, 177lbs, with an 11.5 Buton Moto. I don’t know whether I should go for the 158W or 159. I like to ride all-mountain, with the occasional stint in the park hitting smaller to medium-sized jumps.
Hi Josh
Thanks for your message.
I think the 158W should be spot on for you, assuming at least a solid intermediate level of riding. The 159 would be risking it for 11.5s in terms of being too narrow. I would go 158W.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the in-depth review. I have been looking to get my first new board to progress on after using a second-hand board (154cm) to learn all the basics. I am mostly looking into the all-mountain/freestyle boards as I haven’t settled to any particular style yet. After reading your amazing reviews on the Salomon boards, my choice now is between two similar boards, Assassin and Craft. Obviously, the Assassin has a lot more technical advancements, which should provide a better overall experience than the Craft. However, I am not sure if I can make full use of the Assassin given my level of riding. I would like to hear your input on the selection between these two boards. The price difference (~$100) isn’t a deal breaker for me if one board is clearly better than the others.
Also, I have a sizing question. I am 5’11” in height and 165 lbs in weight, and I don’t expect them to change much in the near future. I also have a US 1`1 burton moto boots (might be okay to go with a 10.5 as well), which puts me in the dilemma between regular and wide board. With that, I am wondering which size of board would fit me from the Assassin and Craft that I mentioned above. In general, do you think I would need a wide board assuming a standard angle like +15/-15?
Thank you for much for your time.
Hi Jayden
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the Craft, so I couldn’t say for sure, but from what I know and can tell, the Assassin is a little stiffer, has a little more pop and likely a little damper. I think if you’re at a solid intermediate level and you want something to keep for the long term, then the Assassin is worth the investment. But if you’re more like high-end beginner/low intermediate and looking to progress quicker and want something a little more easy going and plan to upgrade down the line once you become more advanced, then I think the Craft makes the most sense.
Size-wise, I think ideally the 156 for the Assassin, but with 11s it’s probably too narrow. With 10.5s, especially low-profile 10.5s, I would be pretty confident going onto the 156 for the Assassin, but with the 11s, the 158W is probably a safer bet width-wise. It’s on the big side for your specs, IMO – when you take into account both the width and length, but doable. If you’re more of a low intermediate rider though, I think it’s prob a bit big. But in that case I would probably go Craft anyway.
For the Craft, I think ideally 155, particularly if you’re at that high beginner low intermediate level, but again, probably too narrow for 11s, so I’d say 157W. The 157W in the Craft is a more doable size as it’s a little shorter (not just overall length but also in terms of effective edge) and not quite as wide either.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I had been debating between the 159W Assassin vs. the 163W Assassin but ended up going with the 158W as I want that playful control in the trees as well as pull some spins around on side hits etc.
I’m 6″2, weigh 170lbs. Shoe size is 12. Got a pair of Vans Infused size 12 boots for the season.
I’m now debating bindings: trying to decide between the Union Force (already purchased) or something else like the Solomon Hologram.
I’m hoping to have some fun in the powder, trees, side hits etc, Won’t be in the park so much this year.
Hi Jonah
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, good call on the size of the Assassin, IMO.
For bindings, the Force are definitely a good match, IMO. The Hologram would also definitely work, but if you wanted to stick with the bindings you already have, then they are a solid choice, IMO. Anything from the following would also work well, IMO, but the Force a perfectly good choice too.
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps
Hey, I go to college in Utah, fairly new to powder, I spend most of my time on groomers, going through trees, and bombing. Occasionally popping some small jumps here and there. I want a fun board that will be able to do all of this and also just cruise around. I would consider myself an intermediate rider. I am debating whether to get this board of the burton custom camber. I think the only difference is the Burton is stiffer and better for trees. I just don’t want the assassin if it’s going to be to chattery or way too flexible. Let me know what you think.
Hi Thor
Thanks for your message.
IMO, the Assassin is a little better in powder but not quite as good for bombing as the Custom Camber. In the trees I found them fairly similar. For tight technical trees, I actually often prefer a slightly softer board – easier to maneuver at slower speeds. But flex is only one factor there. By my feel I would say the Custom Camber is like a 6-6.5/10 flex and the Assassin a 5/10 bordering on 5.5/10. So the Custom a little stiffer, IMO. The Assassin isn’t super flexible though it’s very medium.
Hope this helps
That’s really helpful thanks. As far as size I am 140 pounds and 5′ 7” I was thinking the 156 so it’s still a good fit for the next four years, but if it’s going to be too difficult to maneuver now, I would rather get the 153. Let me know what you think.
Hi THor
For your specs, I would go 153. That’s at the high end of your range at the moment, IMO. So for right now, I think the 156 is too big. If you’re anticipating putting on a good bit of weight in the next 4 years, then the 153 will end up being at the lower end of your range for sure. But even up to 160lbs, it would still work. 170lbs and up and it’s getting a bit small. So if you anticipated you would be 170lbs in the next year or so, then you could go 156 and just have a harder to manage board for a year, but otherwise, I would go 153.
I also wear a size nine boot and see that the 153 only goes to size 9.5. Is there going to be any toe drag with a 9.5 size boot on the 153 and do you think I could still ride it with a size 10 boot or will that be too big? I carve more aggressively than casually so I don’t want to have to drag get in the way of that. Let me know what you think.
Hi Thor
I would be happy to ride it with a 10 – assuming a couple of things. a. binding angles that were something like +15/-15 or similar and with low profile boots. With that setup I have ridden boards narrower than the 153 Assassin and haven’t had any issues. With 9.5s I don’t think it should be an issue. However, if you do end up in 10s that aren’t low profile and you’re riding with a straighter back binding angles, then it would be more risky. What is the make/model of your boots?
I have the Salomon launch Boa SJ in a 9, however, I find that it’s the same size and Burtons 9.5. I also am getting Burtons mission Reflex and I ride with a +12/-12 stance.
Hi Thor
I think you’ll be fine with the width of the Assassin 153 with that setup. No guarantees of course, but I would be comfortable with that setup with those boots.
Unfortunately the material on the Salomon launch SJs is already tearing, but I really like the technology they use. I was thinking of getting the ride lasso boots because they have the same tech but they are stiffer being 7/10. Do you think that will pair with this board or are those to stiff?
Hi Thor
I think the Lasso would work on the Assassin. I don’t mind going a little stiffer in boots compared to the board. And to me the Lasso is closer to a 6 or 6.5/10, so yeah I think it works for sure.
Hi Nate!
I’m an experienced intermediate rider and I love the look and reviews on this board. I’m sixteen, so I still have a lot of room to grow, but like the top commenter, I have a large feet to size proportion. I am riding with size 10.5 boots, and weigh 120 soaking wet. I’m five-eight. What size would you recommend? I’m looking at the Union Stratas as well, and the Adidas Samba boots. Would the sizing work for all if I get a 150? any sizing suggestions would be great, I’m not experienced with picking out a board.
Hi Luke
Thanks for your message.
I think 150 would be a good length for you. It’s a couple of centimeters longer than ideal for you right now, but at 16 with plenty of growing to do, I think it’s a good compromise – i.e. having something to grow into a bit, but not being so long that it wouldn’t be fun right now. So length-wise, I think you’re good on the 150.
In terms of width, it’s borderline. It’s likely around 257mm wide at the inserts, which is getting pretty narrow for 10.5s. You definitely want some boot overhang but not too much. However, I have found with Adidas boots, and have heard the same from others, that they fit better half a size down. So for me I’m typically a 10, but Adidas boots fit me in 9.5 better. If you were able to get into a 10 Samba, then I think you would get away with the width on the 150 – being half a size down and the fact that the Samba are low profile as it is. You might get away with it in the 10.5 Samba, but it would be pushing it. It would depend on how aggressively you carve. Like if you like to get really low on those carves and right up on the edge, then I think there’s a good amount of risk of boot drag. If you ride more casually you probably get away with it. Getting into the 10 would give you that little bit more leeway.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Great review. I think the assassin is exactly what I am looking for. I would appreciate your advice on board size.
I am an intermediate rider, 6 feet tall, 200 pounds. I usually wear a size 12 boot, but it has been several years since I bought equipment (my feet are 28 and 29 cm long, yes different sizes). I have had issues with toe drag in the past. I am looking for a board that has good edge hold when carving fast on hard packed groomers, but is still nimble at slow speed. This year I plan to focus on getting more comfortable riding switch and learning butters/on-the-ground spins. I am interested in the burton step-on boots/bindings. In the past I’ve used a +15/0 stance, but plan to experiment with a more symmetrical stance.
Would the Assassin 163 Wide be a good fit, or too large/wide?
Thanks for your advice,
David
Hi David
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing, I think the Assassin would be a good match for you.
Size-wise, I think the 163W would work. I think it is on the larger side for you though, taking into account both length and width. I think it’s in a range, but ideally something like a 160W or 161W would be a good bet. With 12s and certainly with a 0 degree back binding angle, the 162 would be too narrow, IMO. With +15/-15 angles and if you got into an 11.5, then it would be almost doable. Still borderline, but I think you would get away with it. The 163W wouldn’t be like “way too big” or anything like that. But just the way you’re describing what you want to do on it, I think it’s on the bigger end of your range – particularly when talking about being nimble at slow speeds and for butters/spins etc. If you were predominantly going to be charging, then I would be less hesitant on the 163W, but those things make me hesitant.
If you were predominantly going to be doing more freestyle stuff and valued agility at slow speeds etc over stability at speed, then the 158W would certainly become an option. But you would sacrifice some stability at speed if you went to that size.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Nick,
Thank you for the advice. It was helpful.
It sounds like both the 158W and 163W could work for me, with the expected trade off between agility and stability between those two sizes. Unfortunately it doesn’t look like the Salomon Assassin comes in size 160W or 161W.
Are there any other boards you recommend I look into?
Thanks again,
David
Hi David
Yeah unfortunately the Assassin doesn’t have that in between wide size.
I would check out the following if you want to check out some similar boards.
>>My Top All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards
Nate,
Thanks for the link. Your reviews are great!
Do you think the following would work well for me and be a good fit?
Yes Greats 159
GNU Rider’s Choice 158W or 162W
Proto Synthesis 160X
I still need to confirm my boot size (local shops have not gotten their inventory yet), but I plan to buy a Burton Photon and expect to be a size 11, 11.5, or 12.
Thanks for taking the time to answer all my questions.
David
Hi David
I think the YES Greats would work in the 159. Wide enough for 12s, IMO, if you ended up in 12s, so shouldn’t be any width issues there. On the shorter end of your range in terms of length but doable.
Rider’s Choice: Between the 158W and 162W, it’s the same debate as between the 158W and 163W with the Assassin. I would say the Rider’s Choice is not quite as good for harder carves as the Assassin or Greats (or Synthesis) but not bad either – overall I think it would certainly work for what you’re describing.
Proto Synthesis: I think this would work for what you’re describing too, and a good size as well.
Hey Nate! I’m buying my first board ever and I need a little guidance. I’ve only been a few times but I just moved to Missouri where they have a small ski resort (can get pretty icy from what I hear since it’s mostly fan-made snow). I want a board that I can improve my riding here and get good at butters, switch, spins, small jumps, 180s/360s, etc). I know I’m describing a freestyle board, but I want to use it as my one board for the next 5-10 years. I was looking at the GNU headspace but I decided it would be too unstable at speed for when I do once-a-year trips to Colorado or somewhere with real snow where I can bomb down hills. I’m trying to decide between the 2020 Solomon Assassin and 2020 GNU Riders Choice. I was pretty set on the 151.5 Riders Choice, but I’m worried that having a size 7 shoe is going to screw me with the wider board (251 waist). Is this a realistic concern? Or will that few mm not matter much? The assassin has a 147 waist, so it may be better but not as good in icy conditions. I plan on getting the Solomon Factions (size 7) and Burton Malavitas (small). I weight 150 lbs and am 5’7”. I really want to start/improve flat ground tricks and small jumps and ollies, but I don’t know which one is the right move. Please help!
Hi Larry
Thanks for your message.
I think both are good options for what you’re describing. Probably a little bit above where your level is right now, so just note that there might be a slightly steeper learning curve because of that. But given that you’re looking to get something that’s stable at speed for future trips and want something for the next 5-10 years, I think they are a good balance between suiting what you need now and what you’ll want to have after a couple of seasons.
In terms of icy conditions the RC is a little better, IMO, but the Assassin not bad in those conditions either. To put a number on it, I’d say 5/5 for RC in icy conditions and 4/5 for Assassin in icy conditions.
In my experience I have found width to really matter, so that’s worth thinking about for sure. Note that the RC 151.5cm is likely to have a width at inserts of around 256mm and the Assassin 150 around 257mm at inserts, so in terms of width at inserts, they are both very similar. Waist width does help to make a board more agile, if it’s narrower, but width at inserts also plays a big part, so overall they aren’t too much different in terms of width. Both are still quite wide for 7s, but most men’s boards are really.
However, sizing down a little bit, in terms of length, does help if a board is slightly on the wider side for your feet. For your height/weight, I would recommend around 149-151 as a beginner anyway, so in that sense, you wouldn’t be sizing down length, but in terms of when you’re a bit more advanced you would be sizing down in terms of length in those sizes, which I think is a good balance given the width. And that makes me lean slightly more towards the Assassin 150 over the Rider’s Choice 151.5 – just because you’re sizing down just that little bit more, which I think makes sense in this case, particularly given that you’re wanting to do spins, butters, etc.
So yeah, long story short, I would be leaning slightly towards 150 Assassin out of those 2 boards for you.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate, first of all thank you for your determination and passion! Your website has helped me out tremendously to determine my preferred riding style and current skill level. And of course, you’ve helped me narrow down my snowboard choice to the Assassin for my first snowboard purchase! I’m an intermediate, all-mountain freestyler who’s just getting the hang of riding switch and want to work on butters and presses, while my gf rides slowly behind me, but I also like speed and aggression at times. Hence, I think the Assassin is the perfect choice.
My last struggle is in between two choices and I would greatly appreciate your help so I can finally seal the deal on my first board!
(i) 156cm v 153cm
I’m 5’8 and 155lbs with a boot size of 9. I’d like to focus on and improve my butters, which I believe the 153cm would work best for. However, I’ve ridden some boards in the past that have been chattery and wobbly when riding in speed and I despised the instability feeling. On the otherhand, I believe the 156cm would be provide more stability, but I think would sacrifice some of the maneuverability that is great for butters. Which would you recommend?
(ii) 2020 v 2021 model
I think this is an easier choice based on what I’ve read that there isn’t really much of a difference. However, if I’m buying a new board now, would you go for the extra savings and get the 2020 or just get the 2021 to have the latest and greatest? Also, both designs are fantastic.
Thanks so much for your help Nate!
Hi Yanier
Thanks for your message.
Based on what you’re describing, I agree that the Assassin is a good choice for you.
(i) In terms of size, you’ve hit the key points there. And those are certainly the 2 sizes I would be weighing up for you. But like you say, the 153 is going to be easier to learn butters on and in general be more agile at slower speeds, as well as being easier to spin. The 156 will be more stable at speed and provide more float in powder. Without knowing the particular boards and the sizes of those boards that you’ve found wobbly, it’s hard to say whether you would find the 153 Assassin too wobbly/unstable at speed. My instinct is to go 153 for you. I would say it should be stable enough at speeds, but give you that bit extra for buttering/freestyle in general/agility. The 156 isn’t out of your range, if you really wanted more stability at speed, but I would be leaning 153 for you.
(ii) As far as I know the 2020 and 2021 model are the same, except for the graphic, so if you can get the right size in the 2020 model, then that’s the best bet, IMO. If you had to compromise on size to get the 2020 model, then it would be better to spend the extra money to get the right size in the 2021 model, IMO.
Hope this helps
Nate,
Thanks a bunch for your help! I ended up pulling the trigger on the 153cm 2021 model (found a nice discount online which made it practically same price as the 2020 model) as you suggested.
As far as the bindings and boots, I saw you reviewed the board with the Malavitas and honestly, they seem like the best fit for me as well being they excel in butters and are overall just fantastic. For the boots I’m thinking the Burton Swath (speed lacing) to continue complementing the mid-flex, freestyle overall package I’m going for. The only thing I wasn’t too sure about was if to go for the S or M binding size as my boot size, 8, can really go with either. If your boots fit in either and the 153cm Assassin is compatible with either as well, which is generally the better choice for bindings sizes?
Thanks again Nate!
Hi Yanier
That would be a great combo, IMO.
With a size 8 boot, there isn’t a wrong choice between the S or M for Burton bindings – like you say could go with either. But I would be leaning towards the M, just because it’s going to give you just a bit more leverage on the edges of the board. So, for boots, either or, but I think the M will be a better match with the board. If both were equally as good a match for board and boots, then I would tend to go for the smaller size, personally, but in this case I would go M.
Just bought the Salomon Assassin from 2019 ( new shap from 2019 as twin tip with longer nose 1cm for powder) really great board and super light tip & tail. Flex seems to be a bit softer than 5 I guess, but the middle board is ok for quickly carving edges to edges, super fun for spins and jumps everywhere. Don’t try in powder yet !
Age : 29 height : 183 cm weight : 176 Lbs (80kg)
level : intermediate / advance
riding style : All mountain – Freestyle
board : Salomon Assassin 159
boots : Nitro TLS Brian Fox 2017 / Front +18 / back -9
Many thanks to Nate for your website, Great infos !
Cheers !
Hi Gaetan
Thanks for your input. Always great to here what others feel/experience from gear. Much appreciated
Hey man great review as usual, question though. Thinking of picking up a 2019 assassin 159 cm. I am a 12 in a burton boot, do you think I will be able to find bindings that could fit on this and fit my boot size without toe drag? Cheers!
Hi Ian
Thanks for your message.
With 12s, even in Burton boots which are relatively low profile, I would highly recommend going with a wide board. The 158W would be a better bet for you, IMO.
But if you are determined to get on the 159 regular, you can try the following.
In terms of bindings, you should get Burton Large bindings on there no issues, based on the Large Cartels that I’ve measured. Union’s might be pushing it, as they tend to be longer in the base plate. Flux bindings in Large should be fine too. For most other bindings, I usually measure are too small for 12s. But yeah, I’d say that Burton and Flux would both be fine to fit on there.
If you’re going to try to squeeze your 12s on there, a couple of things.
– Going with something like a +15/-15 stance will help give you a bit more leeway.
– You could look into bindings riser plates – which essentially end up having you higher on the board, to create more angle between your boots and the snow. I know basically nothing about these except that they exist – or at least used to exist. Don’t know how they affect board feel or anything like that, or where you’d get these from, or if you need specific ones depending on the brand of bindings. But it’s something you could look into
– If you were open to changing boots, you could look into Adidas boots. If you fit in 12 Burton’s, you’ll likely fit in 11.5 Adidas. And with Adidas being that little bit more low profile than Burton too, that would give you some leeway. But this option would of course mean buying new boots as well.
– If you don’t ride that aggressively – i.e. don’t carve really low, then you have more leeway. I’d still be concerned with boot drag with 12s on the Assassin 159 though, without making something else here work.
Overall, I think the easiest/best solution would be to go for the 158W.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate
I’m considering to buy a Salomon Assassin 2020 156cm this season.
My Boots are 31.0cm long (Nitro Venture TLS), my weight is 66kg and I’m 186cm tall.
So can you tell me how long the US10 Vans Aura boots are?
I’m a little bit afraid if 262mm width at Inserts won’t be too narrow for my boots.
My binding angles are +15/-12.
Hi Martin
Thanks for your message.
My US10 Vans Aura measure 30.5cm. So they’re 1/2 centimeter shorter than yours. Straight across the board your total overhang would be around 4.8cm (2.4cm per edge assuming perfect boot centering). With your angles, that gives you more leeway. I haven’t found issues with anything as narrow as 255mm at the inserts – so that would be the equivalent of 260mm at the inserts for your boots. So, I think you would probably be fine with those boots on that board. However, if you’re a particularly aggressive carver – or like to euro carve or that sort of thing, then there is more risk of boot drag. But if you’re an average rider, I wouldn’t be too worried.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate!
Thank you that helps me alot!
You’re very welcome Martin. Hope you have an awesome season!
Thanks for the reviews of the Assassin and Assassin Pro. Looking to upgrade from an older Salomon Grip 160. My shop says the Assassin is the new version. I am 6 ft 1 in, 200 lbs (without gear). Wear size 10.5 Ride Asano boots (very stiff) with Flow NX2 bindings. Not a park/pipe rider, but instead play in the trees, blue bumps, black powder and groomers, all in Colorado. From every thing you have written, it sounds like the Assassin is the board for me (vs the Pro). Question is whether the 158W or the 163W would be best. Looking for your thoughts. Thanks
Hi Peter
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, I would actually be weighing up between the 159 and 162. Unless you’ve had issues with booting out on regular width boards or have a specific reason you want to go wide, I’d say you’d be fine on the regular width sizes with Ride Insano (which are low profile) 10.5s. Certainly if you’ve never had any boot drag issues with your Salomon Grip, you shouldn’t have any with the Assassin (which is a little wider). The Assassin 159 has a 255mm waist – and roughly 264mm at the inserts and the 162 has a 258mm waist and roughly 267mm at the inserts. I don’t know how wide the Grip is at the inserts, but I suspect, based on most Salomon boards, that it’s narrower than that.
Between the 159 and 162, it’s a tough call. You’ll likely appreciate the 159 in the trees and bumps more, but in open terrain powder and when riding fast, carving hard on groomers, you’ll likely appreciate the 162 more. So it kind of depends on what you want the most assistance in. The 159 will be a little quicker edge-to-edge and the 162 will have more float and be more stable at speed. I don’t think you can make a bad choice between those 2 size, but hopefully this gives you more to go off for your decision.
And one more thing. Flex wise, with your boot/binding setup, the Assassin Pro would be a better match, but if you think that the Assassin is a better option for what you want to do, it’s doable. But those boots and bindings are going to drive it really hard.
Hi,
I’ve been riding this board (156) this winter downunder and think you’ve summed it up perfectly. It’s an excellent all round board that offers great scope for riders that have moved past the basics and looking to develop their around ability.
Hi Wayne
Thanks for your input. Always good to hear others perspectives. Hope you enjoy the rest of your season (if it’s still going)!
Great, thanks for this detailed post Nate!
When I decide on the board I will share my experience!
Have a good day!
You’re very welcome Damian. Look forward to hearing what you think. Hope you have a good day and an awesome season!
Hello Nate,
I’m currently rocking an Assassin 2018 160W (100 % true twin). Your reviews helped me a lot to decide on it 🙂
185 cm, 87 kg (athletic but some knee issues from pumping iron for years), boots size 10 US. Bindings Flux DS (thanks for the review again!), Adidas Tactical 44. Strong intermediate rider that really pushes himself to learn new things every time on the slope (started last year but got already 50 + days, kind of snowboard junkie now). Picked the wide version for euro carving without any issues. Love this board, your review is right, really nice carver for an all mount freestyle, super poppy, not a Mach 1 board but keeps it up to 70 km/h. I would buy it again but in powder I have to really burn my rear leg to keep it afloat (ride centered) and kind of see the risk of cartwheeling when I go steeper poweder runs.
I was thinking about getting a secondary board that would remain fun and carvy on the groomers and complient the weakest side of Assassin – powder – preferably Salomon too (love that EQUALIZER sidecut).
My friend can sell me his almost brand new First Call 151 for a really nice price – would it be a good compliment to my Assassin or I should rather look for a different size / Sick Stick (would have to pay like 150 $ more, would it be worth it?) / Super 8 or anything else? I don’t want to overlap my boards much but don’t wanna end up with just ‘a powder board’.
Thanks a lot and greetings from Poland,
BR,
Damian
Hi Damian
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the First Call, so I couldn’t say for sure but certainly something that would be pretty good in powder, by the looks of it – and sounds like it’s still pretty good at carving groomers, but not sure that the 151 would work for you. Certainly the kind of board you can size down on, and you would certainly, I would imagine, get better float on the 151 First Call than a 151 Assassin, but vs the 160W Assassin, I wouldn’t be as confident. The 157 might be the better call. I would say it is a very different board to the Assassin overall, and also not just a powder specialist, so might tick those boxes, but just not sure the 151 would give you the float in powder that you’re after.
The Super 8 would also give you more in powder, and is certainly not just a powder board. It’s different enough from the Assassin – it’s a lot more directional – longer and wider nose than tail and a directional camber profile. A little stiffer than the Assassin too – but not overly stiff – around 7/10 in terms of flex, maybe a touch softer than that. You would get better float in powder and more stability at speed (IMO). Less forgiving than the Assassin and I would say a little less forgiving than the First Call – slightly more aggressive board. But it could be a good compliment to the Assassin, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate,
Great reviews dude they’ve really helped me out in looking for a new board.
I’m 23, 6ft size 10(might move up to 10.5) and 205lbs but could go up to 210 during my winter bulk lol. I currently ride a 158 burton clash and I mainly ride resort groomers carving them up and hitting side features along the way and small jumps in the park. I’m looking for a board that’s more all mountain freestyle now so I can get into boxes then rails and get more comfortable on jumps while still enjoying riding around the mountain.
Top choices so far are probably the Salomon Assassin, YES Greats or Typo, Never Summer Porto Type Two
I’m thinking somewhere around 158 is key.. above 160 would be too hard for me to learn to jib right?
Thanks for all your help!!
Hi Josh
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, I’d usually say something around a 162 for your specs for an all-mountain board, but take off a couple of cms for all-mountain-freestyle. And if you really way to focus on jibs, then 158 should be fine. Just know that size won’t be great in powder for you (and these types of boards don’t tend to be great in powder anyway) or the best size for high speeds for you. So, if you’re not in powder much (or have a separate board for powder), don’t straight line bomb down the hill that much, then something around 158, 159 would be a good size.
I would personally say the Greats just ahead of the other 3 for jibs but the other 3 not far behind.
Width-wise, if you stay on 10s, then you should be good on the regular width for most regardless of binding angles. If moving to 10.5s, then you should be good on regular width, but it might depend no binding angles. If you ride with a +15/-15, or something similar, then you should be fine no the regular width. If you ride with a straighter back foot, would have to look at it on a case by case basis.
Size-wise:
Assassin: 159 (or 158W depending on binding angles/boot size)
Typo: 158 (or 159W depending on binding angles/boot size)
Proto Type Two: 157 (though might be getting a little short) or 158X depending)
Greats: 156 or 159 – assuming it’s the 2019 model, this is a wider board anyway, so no issues with width there. Only thing is length. It’s something that I personally like to size down a little more for. So, whilst I’d usually go 157, 158 for all-mountain-freestyle (6ft, size 10, 185lbs), I like this board in the 156. Harder choice for you. The 156 feels quite small for your specs, but the 159 will be quite wide.
The other option to consider that would work well, IMO, is the GNU Rider’s Choice (probably 157.5cm).
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I found your video and website as I was searching the web to get some information about the Salomon Assassin and I first would like to thank you for the great job you ahve done.
As I can’t find much real feedback on this board I would like to ask you in your opinion if you think that it would suit my needs.
176 cm/76 kg/shoes size 43 (27.5 cm) (5″77’/167.5 lbs/shoes size 9.5 US) I would consider myself as an intermediate as I am no longer a beginner but I am also not an expert. My top figure is probably the smallest possible 360 (but still) and I can do some small jumps catching my board. I can handle all types of pistes and manage the powder if not too deep.
I like to play on the sides of the piste trying some jumps and tricks as well as on the piste.
I can’t just go down the pistes not trying to have fun which means try these tricks.
As I have seen on many websites that the board is not that easy to handle I would be interested in having your opinion if you thing that it would be good for me and also in what size (155 cm?).
I thank you in advance for your response and wish you all the best!
Hi Jo
Thanks for your message.
Everyone’s experience can be different, but I found the Assassin quite easy to handle. It’s got a little bit of aggression to it, but not overly. It’s a very light board, so it’s snappy and lively but I wouldn’t say hard to handle – but that was my experience.
I would say this board would be very suitable for your needs. Certainly from what you’re describing, an all-mountain-freestyle board would be a great option for you.
In terms of size, for your specs, described style and ability level, I would say that the 155 would be the best size for you for this board.
If you’re still concerned about the Assassin and want other options check out the link below (note that the Assassin Pro is a more difficult, more aggressive ride, so that would likely be less suitable than the Assassin for your purposes – but the others on that list would be good options, IMO – but the Assassin is also a good option too, from my experience).
>>My Top All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate, Hope you doing well. My weight is ~167lbs and my shoe size is US12. I want to buy Salomon Assassin 155 or 158 size. I’m wondering do i need wide board or not? and do 155 size not to short for me? My height is 74inch. Now i’m riding 158 board and would like to try 155cm my plan is to do more jumps and buttering. thanks for your advise mate!
Hi Ed
Thanks for your message.
Generally speaking 158 would be a better size for you, for this board, IMO. However, if you wanted to have a short board you could. I think it would make some things harder (e.g. stability at speed, float in powder) but would make it easier for things like butters. But overall I would say 158 over 155 is a better balance.
But with 12s you’ll definitely need to go wide, so both the 155 and 158 aren’t suitable, IMO. But the 157W would work – and that would be a good size for you, IMO. Still on the shorter side for you (which it sounds like you want) but not too short – and a more appropriate width.
In short, I think the 157W would be the ideal size for you for this board based on what you’re describing and your specs.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate how are you! After reading almost all your reviews I’m interested in the Salomon Assasin and would like your help about sizing! I’m 185cm tall, 80kgs weight, 11,5 US boot size..Would the 158 be ok or should i look into a wide version? Thanx !
cheers from sunny (but still snowy Greece!)
Hi Stavros
Thanks for your message.
Most likely you will need to look at a wide model with 11.5s. If you are riding recent year’s Adidas, Vans, Burton or Ride boots AND you ride with binding angles like +15/-15 (i.e. a good angle on your back foot), then you could possibly just get away with a 253mm waist – however, with the Assassin, the width at the inserts of the 158 is only 260mm (only 7mm difference to the waist) so in this case, even in that scenario, I think it would be too narrow.
So it would be between the 157W and the 160W. The 160W is 269mm at the inserts. I haven’t measured the 157W at the inserts, but it would likely be similar – likely around 268mm. Both should be fine in terms of width for you. But if you’re riding with a very straight back foot and have boots with a long outer-sole, then you might need to at least go to the 160W (or go to a different board). But assuming angles and boot profile are ok, then here are the pros and cons of each size option (with your specs you could ride either);
~ The 157W would be a more playful option, a little quicker edge to edge, more agile at slower speeds, better in the trees and better generally for riding freestyle
~ The 160W will be more stable at high speed, have better float in powder and be better for wide carves
So, depending on your preferences there, will depend on the size for you. You might also have a personal preference for a certain size or size range, which also comes into the decision.
Hope this helps and glad you’re getting sunshine and still have snow!
Thanx a lot for your reply really appreciate it. However, i think i should look at a different board. I’m riding 15 – 20 times per season and would like to get a freestyle/all mountain freestyle board. The Assasin was one of my considerations and other boards i have in mind are:
– Gnu space case – this also does not come to a wide version
– Lib tech terrain wrecker 160
– Lib tech skate banana wide
– Yes Basic
What do you think of these models?
Hi Stavros
1. The Space Case would be ok in the 159 if you ride with angles like +15/-15 and have low profile boots, but otherwise would be too narrow for 11.5s. With an asym board like this, it’s recommended to ride with something like +15/-15. The GNU Rider’s Choice would be another good option, and comes in a 158W. The 157.5 is probably too narrow – it has a 260mm width at the inserts, just like the Assassin. I haven’t measured the width at inserts for the Space Case, so going for the 159 would be risky, given that the Rider’s Choice is 260mm at the waist. So the 158W is probably best bet if going Rider’s Choice.
2. I haven’t ridden the Terrain Wrecker. But the 160 might work width-wise – but again it would depend on your binding angles and your boot’s profile.
3. Skate Banana is more freestyle than all-mountain-freestyle in my head, but you could use it as all-mountain-freestyle. Another option is the TRS, which comes in a 157MW and 159MW – and is more all-mountain-freestyle, IMO.
4. YES Basic is a slightly softer flexing board, compared to the others. Similar to the Skate Banana in terms of flex, but softer than the TRS, Rider’s Choice, Space Case & Assassin. But if that’s no issue, then it’s also a good option – the 159W might be a good bet.
Hope this helps
Thanx again for your reply Nate. I finally settled for a Rome gang plank 157W. I came across a great deal and pulled the trigger! Im going to pair it with Burton cartels or Rome vice bindings and hopefully ill have a good setup!
You’re very welcome Stavros. Hope it works well for you – let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to ride it.
Hello!!
I currently ride a ’14 Time Machine, it’s been my favorite board hands down. Been riding 20 years, a morning pow hiker, afternoon groomer speed runs and side hit play around guy. How does the Assassin or Assassin Pro compare? Looking to keep the feel of the Time Machine but in a twin, maybe a touch more flex. Been looking at the Capita Mercury and the Jones Mountain Twin as well. Any of these compare? Any other suggestions?!?
Hi Brian
Thanks for your message.
I’ve never been on a time machine, but I would say based on specs, that, in terms of flex, that the Assassin would be a little softer flexing but the Assassin Pro would be similar. In terms of feel, they will feel a little different, largely due to the Assassin’s (and Assassin Pro’s) Rock out Camber (flat between the feet, camber under the feet and rocker towards tip and tail) vs the Time Machine’s Cross Profile (camber between the feet and under the feet, with rocker tip and tail).
Plus the twin shape and centered stance will feel different (but sounds like that’s what you’re going for).
As far as I’m aware Salomon don’t do a twin in the Cross Profile (it’s on the Man’s Board and the Sight but neither are twins) so I would say that the Assassin Pro would be the closest thing to a twin time machine. The Assassin, if you’re looking to also reduce the stiffness.
Capita Mercury and Mountain Twin aren’t twins (despite the name of the latter!) – and are what I would deem all-mountain boards (as opposed to all-mountain freestyle of the Assassin and Assassin Pro). They do have a similar profile to the Time Machine though, in terms of being camber between and under the feet and rocker tip and tail. I’d say the Mountain Twin is a similar flex to the Time Machine/Assassin Pro, and the Mercury marginally stiffer (but again that’s only based on the stated specs of the Time Machine).
The Capita Outerspace Living is like a Twin Mercury, and a little softer flexing. That’s a similar flex to the Assassin but with that camber between and under the feet and rocker tip to tail.
Hope this helps
Great reviews – can you help me real quick? I was wondering about the flex and possible size.
How would you say this deck performs for on-piste presses/butters?
I’m 144 lbs, rocking size 10, 5′ 9″ – Should I just go for the 153?
Thanks bro
bonus questions – which (not too costly) bindings would you pair it with?
Hi Soren
I found the Assassin was pretty good for butters/presses. It’s not the easiest I’ve ridden in that sense but certainly on the easier side. It’s still mid-flex, so it’s not super-soft, IMO, but it’s not super-stiff either – and it’s got rocker in the tip and tail (which I find usually helps for butters, for me anyway).
For your specs, for this board, I think 153 would be the best size. And width wise you should be fine so long as you ride with binding angles that have a reasonable angle on the back foot (i.e. 9 to 15 degrees) – with a straighter back foot, maybe risking getting a bit narrow.
I wouldn’t go any longer, but if you went down to the 150, you would get something that would feel a bit softer and be a bit easier to butter/press, IMO. You’d definitely need a decent back binding angle in that case to get on it width-wise – and you would sacrifice a little in terms of speed, powder and carving. So, I think the 153 would, on balance, be the better size, but if you wanted to make it easier to butter/press, then the 150 is an option too.
In terms of bindings, I would go with something with around a medium flex – to be a good flex match. You can check out the list below for some options in a good flex range.
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
In terms of cost, the most reasonably priced on that list are the Lien AT, Cartel and Flux DS are the most reasonably priced and would work well.
Hope this helps
Thank you SO much!
You’re very welcome! Hope you have an awesome season!
How would this compare to the Super 8? Also looking at the Man’s Board. I will be getting a board to compliment my Sick Stick for powder days. Don’t really ride park. More want something to go fast on steep terrain (I ride Snowbird) but can still be fun to just play around on side hits and little features on the groomers. Thanks!
Hi Eric
Thanks for the message and sorry for the slow response – been hectic lately!
I would say that the Super 8 is more like a freeride board, in comparison to the Assassin which is an all-mountain-freestyle board. The Super 8 is a little softer flexing than you’re average freeride board, but it does have a tapered directional shape, setback stance, setback camber profile – a lot of things that make it like a freeride board – you could say all-mountain but it’s definitely more freeride oriented.
The Man’s Board is a more aggressive all-mountain board. It’s got an aggressive camber profile (mostly camber, but a little rocker tip and tail) and it’s quite stiff – stiffer than the Super 8 and Assassin. Probably more like the sick stick. Both the Super 8 and the Man’s Board are probably better carvers than the Assassin – and better for bombing it down steep terrain. The Super 8 would be the best in powder – but you’ve got your Sick Stick for that.
The Assassin is definitely above the both of them in terms of jumps and riding switch – so for when you want to play around and have fun and hit those side hits etc, then the Assassin would be the better choice. So I guess it’s what’s most important for you. I think the Assassin would be the most different to the Sick Stick if you’re looking to have that contrast in your quiver.
The other option is the Assassin Pro – which is a bit better at speed and a bit better in terms of carving than the Assassin but also has the Assassin’s jumping and switch ability.
Hope that gives you more to go off for your decision.
Wow excellent reply, thank you! I think the Assassin Pro is what I will get into for this year. Appreciate the advice and the hard work put into this site. Great stuff!
You’re very welcome Eric. Hope you enjoy your new board and the upcoming season!
Hope you had a great thanksgiving! How would the Super 8 compare to the Jones Flagship or Burton Flight Attendant? Really looking at something to lay some good carves down, just a little worried the Super isn’t stiff enough…powder not really a concern as I have my Sick Stick. Thank you so much, amazing website you have built!
Thanks Eric! Hope you had a great Thanksgiving too!
The Super 8 is a better carver than the Sick Stick – maybe not quite up there with the FA for carves but equally as good as the Flagship. It is a little softer, certainly than the Flagship and a little softer than the Flight Attendant too, I’d say, but not hugely. It won’t be quite as stable at speed as the FA and Flagship, but again, not too far off.
The Assassin Pro (see review here) is as good a carver as the Super 8 (IMO) and would be a bit more of a contrast to the Sick Stick in terms of it being cenetered, true twin and a bit more freestyle oriented. But it is also more expensive than the Super 8 of course. But yeah, you should see a good improvement in carving over the Sick Stick with the Super 8.
Hope this helps
I’m curious where do you fall in the weight range for the board? I’ve been trying to decide between the stiffer assassin pro and the assassin. I have last years assassin classic in a 155 and want to get the 158 AO I have a bit more float in powder, but worry about the pro being too stiff for my weight and not being as responsive. I weigh between 160/165. Any recommendations?
Hi Chris
I rode the 158cm for both the Assassin and Assassin pro and I like that length for both. But I’m 180-185bs. I think if you are going to size up to the 158cm, then you’re best bet is to go for the softer flexing Assassin.