Hello and welcome to my YES Typo review.
In this review, I will take a look at the Typo as an all-mountain snowboard.
As per tradition here at SnowboardingProfiles.com I will give the Typo a score out of 100 (based on several factors) and see how it compares with other all-mountain snowboards.
Overall Rating
Board: YES Typo
Price: $499 (USD recommended retail)
Style: All-Mountain
Flex Rating: 6/10 on YES’s flex scale
Flex Feel on Snow: Medium bordering on medium-soft (4.5/10)
Rating Score: 86.1/100
Compared to other Men’s All-Mountain Boards
Out of the 37 men’s all-mountain snowboards that I rated:
Overview of the Typo’s Specs
Check out the tables for the Typo’s specs and available sizes.
Specs
Style: | All-Mountain |
Price: | $499 - BUYING OPTIONS |
Ability Level: |  |
Flex: |  |
Feel: |  |
Turn Initiation: | Fast |
Edge-hold: |  |
Camber Profile: | Hybrid Camber 2-4-2 (rocker-camber-rocker) |
Shape: | |
Setback Stance: | Setback 5mm (1/5") |
Base: | Sintered Spec (between sintered and extruded) |
Weight: | Normal |
Sizing
LENGTH (cm) | Waist Width (mm) | Rec Rider Weight (lb) | Rec Rider Weight (kg) |
|---|---|---|---|
149 | 248 | 120-150 | 54-68 |
152 | 250 | 120-160 | 54-73 |
155 | 251 | 120-180 | 54-82 |
156W | 259 | 130-190 | 59-86 |
158 | 253 | 140-200 | 64-91 |
159W | 261 | 140-200 | 64-91 |
161 | 254 | 150-210 | 68-95 |
163W | 263 | 160-220+ | 73-100+ |
Who is the Typo Most Suited To?
In a lot of ways The Typo is the all-mountain version of the YES Basic (which is a freestyle deck).
It has the same shape and core and a similar flex (slightly stiffer but not by heaps). It also has the same sidecut radius, the same effective edge and the same length options (except that the Basic has a 143 and 146cm option that the Typo doesn’t).
However, the stance is setback a little and it has a sintered spec base (cross between an extruded and a sintered base) in place of the extruded base on the Basic.
All of this makes the Typo faster, a little better in powder and a slightly better carver than the Basic. But not quite as easy to ride switch on – but still pretty good for switch (better than most all-mountain boards). Both boards are very similar for jibbing and jumps.
Which kind of makes this board part way between an all-mountain and an all-mountain-freestyle.
So, long story short – if you’re looking for an all-mountain board that can jib and ride switch better than most all-mountain boards or an all-mountain-freestyle board that’s better in powder than most all-mountain-freestyle boards, then the Typo is probably the perfect board for you.
The Typo in More Detail
O.k. let’s take a more detailed look at what the Typo is capable of.
Demo Info
Board: YES Typo 2020, 155cm (251mm waist width)
Date: March 20, 2019
Conditions: Perfect sunshine (as I'm sure you can see in the pic there!) and perfect visibility.
Crunchy/icy off groomer - and in some spots in the shade on groomer. But softened up a little as I rode - especially parts in the sun. But never got slow/sticky at any point.
Bindings angles: +15/-15
Stance width: 560mm (22″)
Stance Setback: Setback 5mm
Width at Inserts: 259mm (10.2")
Rider Height: 6'0"
Rider Weight: 185lbs
Rider Boot Size: US10 Vans Aura
Bindings Used: Burton Malavita M
Board Weight: 2880g (6lbs, 6oz)
Weight per cm: 18.58g/cm
Average Weight per cm: 18.45 grams/cm*
*based on a small sample size of 51 boards that I've weighed in 2019 and 2020 models. So the basic is Typo is basically bang on average. And it felt about that on snow too.
Powder
Didn't have any powder when I rode the 2020 model, but I did when I rode the 2018 model 2 season's back. And from then it's OK in powder without being special in powder. Just a little better than what you get from the Basic.
Carving & Turning
Carving: You can lay a carve on it, but it's not a super aggressive/big carver. Turns and carves are smooth and even though, without being overly dynamic.
Maneuverability at slow speeds: Super nimble at slow speeds. Really fun board when you want to do lots of short sharp turns - and easily maneuvers through trees.
Smooth or snappy: It's more smooth than snappy.
Skidded Turns: Easy to skid turns on - which is what makes it decent for beginners as well.
Speed
Not a bomber, but felt smooth enough at speed. A little more stable/smooth at speed vs the Basic.
Uneven Terrain
Really good going over bumps or crud and really nimble to go around bumpy terrain too.
Let’s Break up this text with a Video
Jumps
Overall a good little jumper for small to medium jumps. As good for small jumps as Basic, but that little bit better for medium jumps.
Pop: There's a decent amount of pop without it being anything crazy - but just a little more than the Basic, I felt. And, like the Basic, that pop was really easy to extract.
Approach: Nice and nimble for approaches to tricker side hits and stable enough for the approach to small and medium jumps in particular - and even large jumps to an extent.
Landing: Nice and solid. Not an out and out stomper and most suited to small to medium jumps rather than large jumps but good nonetheless.
Side-hits: Really nice on side hits - nice and nimble with decent/easily accessible pop and good for spins.
Small jumps: Small and medium jumps are it's sweetspot.
Big jumps: Doable but not ideal.
Switch
Almost as good going either direction. Probably nit-picking a little to drop 1/2 point vs the Basic - feels pretty much the same riding switch.
Spins
Great for spins - decent pop, the board gets around easy and lands and takes off in switch well.
Jibbing
This is something that I feel comfortable jibbing on - and I'm not that strong a jibber. It's one of the better all-mountain boards for jibbing.
Butters
Really easy buttering this board. It feels like it must be a bit softer/springier tip/tail than the middle of the board.
Score Breakdown and Final Verdict
Check out the breakdown of the score in the table below.
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
POWDER | 3.0 | 9/15 |
CARVING | 3.0 | 6/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 4.5 | 9/10 |
SPEED | 3.0 | 6/10 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 3.0 | 6/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 4.5 | 9/10 |
SWITCH | 4.0 | 8/10 |
JUMPS | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SPINS | 4.0 | 4/5 |
BUTTERS | 4.5 | 4.5/5 |
JIBBING | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 86.1/100 |
Overall, the Typo is a really buttery, playful yet stable all-mountain bordering on all-mountain-freestyle deck. It doesn't dominate any area, but it's decent across all categories.
It's one of the better decks for anyone high-end beginner to low end intermediate that want a board that they won't grow out of as they advance - and who want something really versatile.
More Info, Current Prices and Where to Buy Online
If you want to learn more about the Typo, or if you are ready to buy, or if you just want to research prices and availability, check out the links below.
If you want to check out some other all-mountain snowboard options, or if you want to see how the Typo compares to other all-mountain snowboards, then check out the next link.
Hello and welcome to my YES Typo review.
O.k. let’s take a more detailed look at what the Typo is capable of.
Hi I’m 167 cm tall weigh 59 kg wearing DC Control size 8.5 US.
Green to Black groomers are fine (as long as not very icy/moguly) or glades (green/blue) but no park.
What size would you recommend ? Typo or Basic? Thank you
Hey Tim, thanks for your message.
I would go Typo for what you’re describing. It will give you a bit more stability, but is still a really quick, easy turning board.
Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 149. So I would go 149. If you’ve ridden longer boards for a long time and are used to that, you could go up to the 152, but I wouldn’t go longer than that. And otherwise I think 149 would be just right for you.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate
Thank you for your work for the snowboard community 🙏
I need your advice for my next board. I mainly ride Capita Mercury. I really like the way it rides, but my next board could be just a little softer and with a better edge hold on ice. I was just snowboarding in Italy and the hard snow and ice there was different then in Finland. I really had to fight to keep the edges holding.
I like my boards “all-mountain freestyle”. Twin or directional twin. According to reviews and size availabilities, I have narrowed my options to these three boards:
Yes Typo, Yes Standard, Gnu riders choice c3. Which one rides closest to Mercury with significantly better edge hold? Any other suggestions? My board size is 160-163, with minimum of 265mm waist width.
Thanks
Antti
Hi Antti
The Standard is the most similar to Mercury but with noticeably better edge hold. And it’s a little softer and easier to turn, in my experience as well. The Typo is noticeably softer again and does have really good edge hold, but it’s not as similar to the Mercury. It’s quite playful, in my experience. The RC C3 is probably more similar than the Typo, in that it’s closer in terms of flex and feel and for things like speed and carving etc, but it’s not as good in powder as the Mercury/Standard and has a bit of a different feel with that rocker between the feet. The rocker is very subtle, but it does change the personality quite a bit. So, from what you’re describing the Standard is the ticket.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for your reply. I forgot to say, that I hardly newer get to ride powder, so that is not important 🤷♂️ What is your opinion about edge hold on ice between Magnetraction/underbite/midbite? Is there a big difference?
Thanks
Hi Antti
I don’t think there’s a big difference. I find some YES boards have better icy edge hold than some magnetraction boards and some the other way around. Other factors also come into play – e.g. camber profiles that are more camber dominated tend to grip icy conditions better than rocker dominated profiles. So, for example the YES Standard Uninc is better in icy conditions than the regular version because of that. The YES Greats is one of the best boards I’ve had in icy conditions and is my go to for icy days. YES Standard not quite as good but still really good. I still find the YES Standard better than most of the more rocker dominated magnetraction boards. But the RC C3 has really good edge hold as do most of the C3 magne-traction boards. If I had to say between the Standard and RC C3, I’d say the RC C3 is a little better in terms of icy conditions edge-hold. The Typo similar to the Standard, IMO.
Thank you 🙏
You’re very welcome Antti. Happy riding!
Hi Nate,
Love the site! It’s my go-to reference to educate myself on all things snowboard tech.
I’m considering getting the YES Typo and have a couple questions. I’m an intermediate rider looking for a maneuverable, not-that-aggressive all-mountain board. Mostly for riding groomers, some side hits, trees/bumps and the occasional powder. No park. I’m on the ice coast but make the occasional trip out west. Based on reviews it seems like the Typo might be a good fit.
Wanted your opinion on sizing. I’m 6 ft 0, 160 lbs. I’m thinking of getting the 155 but not sure if that will work with size 10 US boots (Burton Ruler)? Bindings are size Medium (Burton Cartel). The other Typo alternatives are the 156W and 158. I’m not sure if either of those sizes would suit me better or if I would be sacrificing too much maneuverability.
Also aside from the Typo are there any other similar boards I should be looking at?
Thanks in advance!!
-Gord
Hi Gord
Thanks for your message. I think the Typo would suit what you’re describing just right.
I think the 155 should work well too. The 156W and 158 wouldn’t be wrong though. Width-wise, I didn’t have any problems on the Typo 155 and was in a US10 Vans Aura when I rode the version in this review. I recently rode the 2025 Typo and didn’t have any boot drag issues either. But I was in a low profile 9.5 this time. And I ride 15/15 angles. The width at inserts on the Typo 155 is 259mm, at a 22″ (560mm) stance width. I typically start to get a bit nervous when that width starts dropping below 260mm, with 10s, but, again, I didn’t have any boot drag issues. The Ruler are pretty low profile in my experience, so I think you’d likely be fine width-wise, depending on stance width, binding angles and how deep you like to carve. If you could let me know those things that would help. Fortunately the 156W for this board isn’t all that wide for a wide board, so that would be doable, but to get the most maneuverability would be good to stick to the regular width still.
Thanks for the response! I really appreciate the insights.
To provide further clarification, I typically use reference stance width and +15 / -3 binding angles. I wouldn’t say I have a particularly deep carve.
I’ve never ridden a wider board. I’m curious how different the 156W might perform from a maneuverability perspective if I went with that. I mean, do you think the Typo 156W would still be considered highly maneuverable when compared to most other all-mountain boards, even ones that are regular width?
-Gord
Hi Gord, thanks for the extra details.
I think you’d be OK on the 155 width-wise. With the Burton Ruler being a lower profile boot, I’d say you’d be looking at around 30.6cm on the outer sole of the boot (note that we measure the actual sole length and not from the longest part of the heel of the boot). The width at inserts of the 155 Typo at the reference stance width of 22″ (560mm) is 25.9cm. This would leave you with a total overhang of around 4.7cm (or 2.35cm per edge, assuming perfect boot centering). The back binding angle at -3 won’t give you any overhang savings on that binding, so you’d be looking at around that 2.35cm of overhang per edge on the back binding and more like 1.9cm, per edge, on the front binding.
If you’re not carving super deep, I don’t think you’d have any issues with this whatsoever. Even if you’re carving relatively deep. Might run into problems if you were eurocarving or something, but I’d be pretty comfortable with that level of overhang.
I would say, with 10s, the Typo would still be slightly more maneuverable than the average regular-width all-mountain board in the 156W. But not by much – and that’s a guestimate. Usually I would say that a 158 would be more maneuverable than a 156W for a particular board. But because the 156W Typo isn’t as much of a difference in width to its 158 than would normally be the case, it’s hard to say which of those 2 would feel more maneuverable. I’d say it’s still the 158, but much closer than it would typically be. But if you really want to make sure of the maneuverability being top-tier, then the 155 is a good bet, and I think you’d be fine width-wise on it.
Amazing info! Thanks Nate!
You’re very welcome Gord. Happy riding!
Hi Nate, Amazing review.
I just wanted some push towards my snowboard search. I am torn between Typo or Standard
my ride style I am more on the all-mountain side. I live in the East Coast (ICE COAST) mainly hitting grooms, carving, and side hits, not a park guy. I am more on the chill cruiser but would like to go a bit aggressive from time to time. In terms of level, I am more low-end intermediate but would like a bit more advanced board for the challenge and one board quiver
In the end, I just wanted a great edge hold for hard snow/ice.
Typo – 155 or 158
Standard – 153
Also what binding should I pair them with?
thank you in advance.
Hi Andrei
Thanks for your message.
I think the Typo is a really good bet for low intermediate and would definitely work well for what you’re describing. But given you want to go a little more advanced, I would be leaning Standard – and it can be pretty chill too, when you want it to be. But just allows you to go a little more aggressive when you want to. Both have really good edge hold in hard/icy conditions, in my experience. If I had to choose, the Typo maybe a touch better icy edge-hold, but they’re both really good.
Size-wise, you would go shorter in the Standard, so you’re sizing is probably good there, but if you want a second opinion, I would be happy to say what I think would be the best size for each. Would just need your height, weight and boot size.
In terms of bindings, I would go with something in the 5/10 to 6/10 range for the Typo and something in the 6/10 to 7/10 flex range for the Standard. And can refine that even further, if you let me know your weight too. But in the meantime, if you want to check out some options, you could look at the following:
>>Top 5 Freestyle Bindings
>>Our top All Mountain Bindings Picks
>>Our Top All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings Picks
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Been browsing a lot of your reviews. I’m planning to get my 2nd board currently rocking Burton ripcord and I wanted to transition the camber profile (All-mountain). I live in the ICE COAST, mainly hitting grooms, carving, trees, and side hits. Not a park guy. In the long run, probably do more freestyle flair but again that’s for the long run, I’m more chill cruiser. I am 5’8 170lbs boot size 9. I’m up for a challenge for advanced boards.
I am torn between yes typo (155-158) and yes standard uninc (153). Hope you can give me more insights and push which of the board to get.
Overall, the most important is “all you can do board” and edge hold since we only get hard snow/ice in here. not worried on pow days at all.
Thanks in Advance! 😀
Hi John
Thanks for your message.
I think the Standard Uninc is probably going to feel like a lot of board, coming from the Ripcord. It’s quite a bit more stiff/aggressive vs the Typo – there’s quite a bit of a gap between those 2 in terms of how hard you have to ride them to get them to respond for you. If you’re a chill cruiser, then I wouldn’t go Standard Uninc, even if you’re up for a challenge. If you wanted more of a challenge than the Typo but didn’t want a board that you had to be too aggressive with to get it to respond, then you could go regular Standard (the camrock version). It’s got really good edge hold in icy conditions as well, but it’s quite a bit more chill than the Uninc version.
Since you want a do-it-all board, the Standard fits that role better too, IMO. Though if you’re not worried at all about powder, then you could also look at the Greats. It’s a bit more of a challenge than the regular Standard, and is a bit more camber dominant than the Standard, but it’s not something you have to muscle around as much as the Standard Uninc. You can be pretty chill on it, but you can also get more aggressive on it as well, when you want to. That’s the challenge I would go to, if you don’t want something that will be good in powder and you want to push your limits but still be able to cruise at times as well. If you want to remain chill most of the time. If you want remain chill most of the time, but want something more advanced, then I’d look at the Standard. But the Typo is a really fun board and has really good edge-hold in hard/icy conditions, so that’s an option too, if you want to keep things relatively playful, but still want more stability and edge hold vs something like the Ripcord.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Thank you for sharing your insights with the snowboarding community!
I’m currently looking to buy a new snowboard.
Started riding a few years ago and bought a thrifted Burton Custom 158 from 2009.
Enjoyed the board but always struggled on icy conditions. Last snowboarding trip I was able to test a Slash Brainstorm 159W and also used a K2 Gateway 160W.
I liked both boards a lot better than my own Custom, both giving me much more control on hard snow/ice.
Out of the 2 new boards I’ve tried, I liked the the Gateway a lot better, on the Brainstorm I could feel every “dent/uneven snow” under my feet while the Gateway gave me a much smoother ride and seemed to “flatten” everything I came across without me feeling anything in my feet/legs (Which “spec” of a board should I look out for that impacts this “feeling” when looking at reviews? I thought it was stiffness/flex rating but both the Gateway and Brainstorm have a flex rating of 5 so it appears this is wrong?)
After reading a lot of your reviews, I think I’ve narrowed it down to Yes Typo vs Yes Standard.
Skills wise, I consider myself a solid 5 / low 6 intermediate rider (based on your skill level guide)
I go snowboarding once a year for 6 days and mostly just ride groomers in hard snow/icy conditions but also slush at the bottom of the mountain by end-of-dat (no park except maybe 50/50 some easy funboxes and some small jumps). There hardly is any powder, but when there is I enjoy exploring off the pistes. I’d also like to get better at switch riding, buttering, finding spots to 180 on/off the groomers and also improving the general speed i ride at (bombing?)
Which board (typo vs standard) would you say is more suited to my style and which length would you recommend for each board?
My specs: 75kg (no gear) / 181 cm / 43.5 – 44 eu Boots / Rental Burton step-on bindings (size L for the 44 boots – size M for the 43.5 boots)
Thanks for taking the time to reply!
Hi Kevin
Thanks for your message.
We haven’t tested the Gateway, so can’t say for sure how it feels or what makes it smoother/feel less chatter in messy snow, but it’s likely because it’s damper/heavier. Flex does, IMO, impact how much chatter you get/how stable a board is in messy snow, but it’s not the only thing. Generally stiffer boards will feel less chatter and be more stable in cruddy conditions, but there are other factors. Also, not sure how the Brainstorm/Gateway compare in reality (flex ratings aren’t universal across brands, which is why we have our own flex feel ratings, which sometimes match the brand’s rating, sometimes is a little different). How “damp” a board is, is one big factor in how much chatter it will feel. How damp a board will feel will be influenced somewhat by stiffness and by weight, but there are materials used in construction that can add to how damp a board feels. For example, having some extra dampening in the sidewalls or in the glassing.
But the weight of a board also has a big impact on how stable and chatter-free it will feel in messy snow. Which makes sense if you think about it – if you pushed piece of cardboard shaped as a snowboard into some messy snow, it would fly around and if you were on it, you’d feel everything. But if you were to push the same shape but made purely of steel, it would just flatten everything in it’s path. K2 boards, in my experience, tend to be on the heavier side, so that’s likely to explain at least some of it.
The Standard is the more stable/smooth between it and the Typo. The Typo is a little more snappy and not as damp, so you’re likely to feel chatter more on it. Both have really good edge hold in icy conditions in my experience, so should be good there. The Standard is better for carving and more stable at speed, IMO and better in powder. The Typo is easier for things like rails, buttering and spins, but overall, based on what you’re describing, I would be leaning Standard.
Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 158/159. For the Standard it’s wider and the 159 would be, IMO, too big. But the 156 should work really well for what you’re describing. If you went Typo, I’d go 158.
Hope this helps
What do you think about the sizes 156W or 159W for the Typo for my specs?
I can get last season’s model for about 50% of the price of a current year Standard / Typo (no other size available anymore unfortunately)
Hi Kevin
Typically I would say if you don’t need to go wide, then don’t. But in this case, the 156W is an option. I’d go 156W, rather than 159W, because you’re going wide, then going a bit shorter is a good bet, IMO. But yeah, with the 156W Typo not being super wide for a wide board, I think it should work well for you, size-wise.
Hi, Nate,
thanks for all your reviews.
I’m 6.2 feet, 200 lbs., 10 (10.5) US boot size.
I’m thinking of buying a new snowboard (for further progression). One of the options is YES Typo 163W or maybe 161 (better price) + flow fuse bindings. My old boots are burton moto but I plan to change to new ones (more stiffer).
Level: low/middle intermediate
Riding: all-mountain, ski resorts.
What snowboard size would you recommend (163W or 161)? Would you recommend something else instead of the Yes Typo (alternatives)? Thank you.
Hi David
Thanks for your message. Apologies for the slow response, was travelling overseas and haven’t had the chance to get to your message until now.
The 161 is borderline too narrow. Typically a 161 in regular width would be wide enough, but this board is a little narrower than average. That said, you might still be able to get on it. The 161 is likely around 262mm at the inserts. With an average profile 10.5, you’d be looking at around a 31.5cm outer sole length, so a total overhang of 5.3cm (or roughly 2.65cm per edge, assuming perfect boot centering). With +15/-15 binding angles, that becomes a lot more doable at more like 2.15cm per edge, but if you don’t ride with those angles or similar it’s borderline.
If you don’t really carve very deep and don’t plan too, I think you could go 161, even with a 0-3 degree back binding angle. But if you want to carve deeper there’s risk for boot drag there. With lower profile boots, you could bring that down to as little as around 2.4cm overhang per edge, even at a 0 degree binding angle. That’s something I’d be comfortable with. Unless you’re wanting to develop really deep elbow dragging carves, you’d be alright with that, IMO – and if you don’t think you would ever ride it with too straight a back binding angle, that would give you even more leeway.
If based on that you think it will be too narrow, the 163W could work, but if you think you’ll be OK width-wise, then I’d go 161. I would put your “typical all-mountain” length at around 162, so the 163W is within range, but the combo of width and length make it on the bigger end of your range.
In terms of overall suitability of the Typo, I think it would suit what you’re describing, so long as you’re not looking to really bomb hard and carve at really high speeds. The Typo is a more playful board, in my experience, and there are better options if you want to ride really fast.
Hope this helps and hasn’t come too late
Thanks Nate for the detailed answer. I have ordered online and am waiting for my kit (Typo 161, Flow Fuse bindings and Burton Photon boots). When I receive all the items, I will check them live to see if they fit me. Right now I’m not good at carving but I’d like to learn in the future so a wider snowboard might be more suitable for the future (4-5 years period).
If I decide to change the snowboard, in this case I would change to Typo 163W or Bataleon Goliath 162W. Is there a big difference between these boards? Maybe Goliath is better 🙂
Hi David. Glad to hear your new gear is on the way. Hope it all treats you well. I would probably go for the Goliath over the Typo in most situations, but not by a huge amount. But if it was an icy day, then I’d probably prefer to take the Typo out.
If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get your new setup out on snow (assuming the boots and everything fit).
Hello Nate, Great review thank you.
I am 1.77 cm tall weight 77 kg and have a boot size 43.5 eu (if not wrong about 10.5 US). I am riding a bataleon Funkink 154 with a waistwidth 251 which i love, but the 3bt is too loose for me sometimes. I am thinking to buy the yes typo and leaning towards the 155, but also think about the 158 or 156W. i dont now maybe the 158 its gonna be too long for me because i am a playfull rider and the 156W maybe gonna be too slow edge to edge. Really interested to hear your opinion. Thanks a lot!
Hi Stef
Thanks for your message.
EU43.5 is often US10.5, but the translation depends on the brand – sometimes it can be a US10. So if you could let me know your brand of boots, that would be great.
Assuming it is a US10.5, I would be leaning 156W. The 155 and 158 are narrower than I would typically recommend for a 10.5, but doable in most cases for a 10. That said, given that it sounds like you haven’t had any boot drag issues with the 154 Fun.Kink, you would probably get away with the 155 or 158 Typo, so if you want to keep it quicker edge-to-edge, you could go that way, if you don’t think you’ll want to increase the aggressive/depth of your carves. But the 156W is actually quite narrow for a wide board – it’s around 267mm at the inserts (assuming around a 22″ (560mm) stance width). Which is a good width for 10.5s, IMO.
Length-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 158. So, the 158 would work, but given you are a more playful rider, sizing down a bit from there makes sense. So, if you’re confident of getting on the width of the 155, that’s what I would go with. Otherwise, the 156W, and I’d be leaning 156W if you think you want to increase the depth of your carves.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thank you for the reply! I have nitro boots if that helps. I lean towards 156w which is 259 ww. Hope i dont feel the board too slow after my 251..in the end is that 9 mm will do so much difference?
Hi Stef
Nitro’s 43.5 is a US10.5, so I would go 156W, to give you that extra width to allow you to develop deeper carves. 8mm can make quite a bit of difference and since you’re also going up 2cm, then both of those things you will notice. So probably not going to feel as quick edge-to-edge as your fun kink to start with. But it’s something you will get used to and your muscles should adjust to be able to get it going quick edge-to-edge after you’ve ridden it a bit. It’s not wide for mondopoint 28.5 feet, so you shouldn’t have any trouble getting leverage on the edges, once you’re used to it. If you didn’t think you were going to get more aggressive with your carving and really wanted to have it as quick edge-to-edge as possible, you would probably get away with the 155.
You ‘re the best , thank you!
You’re very welcome Stef. Hope it treats you well and hope you have a great season!
Hey Nate! I finally decide to grab the 156W typo, and then the internet pops me a yes standard 153 in a discount.😅😅Do you think is too much board for me? Is it a lot stiffer than the typo? I am an All mountain freestyle rider, small jumps, trees, sidehitts and butters. No park .
Sorry for me being annoying but a really trust your opinion and want to make the right choice here.
Thank you!
Hi Stef
The Standard is noticeably stiffer but not massively stiffer (6/10 by my feel vs 4.5/10 for the Typo by my feel). The 153 Standard overall is probably going to feel slightly smaller than the Typo 156W. It’s quite similar width-wise to the 156W Typo, but it has less effective edge and contact length (tip and tail longer). I would say that the Typo 156W would still be a little easier to butter. It’s tough to say which will be better in trees. The Typo is faster edge-to-edge and that softer torsional flex does make it a bit easier to rip shorter/sharper turns when riding at slower speeds. But with the Standard 153 being a little shorter and a little smaller overall, it might even out the turn quickness there. Both should work well for small jumps for you, IMO. The Standard probably overall a little better in powder – because of more rocker tip/tail and the fact that you can put in the “slam back” inserts for powder days – and the fact the nose has slightly more volume than the tail. Though the Typo does have more surface area, so it’s probably going to be pretty close in terms of float.
I think both would work well. Depends if you want that little bit more stiffness, but in a slightly smaller board, or a little softer in the slightly bigger board.
Hi there!
I am thinking of getting the Yes Typo 152. I’ve been looking for:
– something that will do well in hard / icy groomed midwest conditions
– has a more mellow / surfy feel (less aggressive)
– medium flex
– men’s boards, to accommodate a larger women’s boot size
– something that could transition well to a few trips out west per season
I’m 5’9″, 150 lbs, size 10 women’s boots. Intermediate with ~10 years of experience. The last few seasons I rode a Jones Twin Sister 152 and it was fine but felt too aggressive for my location / conditions and style of riding. I’m also fairly certain that my boots caught occassionally… In any case, it wasn’t right for me.
So with all that in mind 🙂 I’m looking at the Yes Typo 152. TBH I probably would have already clicked “Buy” if it weren’t for the awful topside graphic (as a middle aged mom of two young boys I will have to find a sticker or whatever big enough to cover that up…) Open to other suggestions/alternatives to this board!
Thank you!!!
Hi Tanya
Thanks for your message. I think the Typo would be a good bet for you – and the 152 just right size-wise, IMO. That graphic isn’t too big, so I’m sure you’d be able to find something big enough to cover it. But if you wanted some other options you could also look at:
– Slash Brainstorm 151 (247mm waist width) – depending on stance width and binding angles, this could still be a little narrow, but doable width-wise depending on those things.
– Salomon Craft 150 (247mm waist width) – same as Brainstorm in terms of width
– Never Summer Snowtrooper 152 (248mm waist) – same again
– Jones Frontier 152 (249mm waist width) – while this seems not much wider than the others above, it’s wider at the inserts than the waist width makes it out, so I’m pretty confident of this one width-wise
Some other options of boards we haven’t tested, but fit on paper:
– Nidecker Merc 152 (252mm waist)
– Rome Warden 152 (251mm waist)
But the Typo is, IMO, a really good option for what you’re describing. Something like the Frontier would give you a little more in terms of powder performance though, if you were wanting to optimize that a little more.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi, Nate.
I’m 180, 6’3. Trying to decide between the Typo 156W and 159W.
The waist width is enough for me on both boards, I’m just wondering if the 156W could possibly be too short?
My previous board was a 162 (waist: 258) and I felt like it was too long for me.
Any thoughts?
Hi N
Thanks for your message.
I think the 159W would be your best bet. The 156W may feel a bit short for you. I mean, if you wanted it really playful and agile and weren’t concerned with stability at speed at all, then it might be doable, but I would be leaning 159W for you.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
I am an intermediate snowboarder who just got a team pro 152 last year and now I am looking for something more playful but still, all-mountain oriented but got a limited budget. Now on my list, I have got this typo snowboard and Huck knife (haven’t seen huck knife pro review) they are on discount, I am 170cm and 87kg (76kg when last year) a casual basketball player so I will say my physicality is ok. I am living in Australia. I got US8 DC judge and Team Pro binding. Which board should I go with and what size? I am confused if I should follow the weight guide published by the manufacturer. Most of the time I will just practice my riding skill down the lane and love going into trees and this year I wish to go to a little park. Thanks!
Hi Adam
Thanks for your message.
I would be leaning towards the Typo, because I found it the more playful of the 2 boards and I think it will provide the better contrast/compliment to your Team Pro. It’s also a touch more all-mountain oriented than the Huck Knife, IMO. Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 157. However, with size 8 boots, you can definitely take some length off that. Given that you’re riding a 152 currently, and so long as you don’t feel like it’s been too small, I would be leaning 152 for the Typo. And particularly since you’re wanting the second board as your more playful option. If you’re existing board was bigger or if you didn’t have an existing board or if you feel like your Team Pro is too small, then the 155 is certainly an option as well.
In terms of weight recommendations I take them into account as one factor, I don’t completely throw them out the window, but I don’t consider them gospel or anything. There are a number of things to take into account besides just weight, which makes them only so useful. I like to take into account, riding style, height, ability level, previous board length experience into account as well as weight.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I was wondering if typo 149 is too big for me ?
Male
Height: 164cm
Weight: 68kg
Shoe size: US 7 / EUR 39,5
Binding: Union strata (S)
Boots : Burton Swath Boa , Vans aura pro
Ability : Beginner Level 4
Terrain : icy/hard pack
I would like to : carve , riding trees , do side hits , butter , small-medium jump , little bit park (learning tricks) and lastly just cruise .
Love the review, it really helps a lot!
Thank you .
Hi Shaz
For what your describing about your ability level and how you want to ride, I think the Typo would be a great choice and size-wise, I think the 149 is just right. I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 152/153, but that would assume an advanced level and a board that was the perfect width for your feet. Because of your ability level and because of your boot size, I would size down from that 152/153 and I think 149 is enough of a size down – a couple of cms for level and a couple to compensate for width and I think that should feel just right size-wise, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Love the review, it really helps a lot!
I am a beginner and am taking a look at the Yes Typo at either 155cm or 158cm. I am 5’9-5’10ft tall, weigh 160lbs, and wear US10.5 Burton Photons currently. What would be your suggested Typo board size?
Thanks!
Hi Kevin
Thanks for your message.
With your specs and particularly as a beginner, I would be looking at 155 or 156W. The 155 is probably wide enough, given you have fairly low profile boots, but it is borderline for 10.5s. Given that you’re probably not really railing your carves just yet, I think you’ll be fine. But the 156W is an option, if you’re concerned about the 155 being too narrow. So long as you don’t too straight a back binding angle and that you’re not looking to eurocarve anytime soon, I think the 155 should be fine, but just to note that it’s on the narrower side for 10.5s, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
Thanks for the awesome review! I’m a beginner and this is my first session to snowboarding. I can link turns on greens and some easy blues with occasional falling overs. As I decided to purchase my first board, I would love to learn your thoughts.
Here are my stats:
Height: 178cm
Weight: 82kg
Shoe size: 9 or 9.5 (not sure which one); My feet are 27 cm with socks and 11.75-12cm width.
As I’m very new, I’m still exploring my desire riding style – park, carving, power, etc., so Yes Typo or Yes Basic are the snowboards I’m considering.
As of now, it seems like the 155 boards are all out-of-stock, while there are still some 158 or 156W available. I would appreciate your thoughts on which one would work better for me.
Hi Daniel
Thanks for your message.
I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 159, but that assumes a more advanced level. I would be leaning 155 if you were able to find one – or wait for the ’24 models. But if it has to be between the 158 and 156W, then I would go 158. With your foot size, I wouldn’t go wide and, IMO, you’d do better with the 158.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate,
I really appreciate your suggestion!! I ended up getting a 155 Yes Basic (since I can’t find Typo) as you suggested 155 will work better for me and I happened to find the last available Basic! 😀
And if you don’t mind, I have one more question about purchasing the bindings – I plan to get a Burton Rider Wide US size 9 or 9.5 (as I have wide feet between EE to EEE, like 11.75cm), and to match the flex level of the boots and board, I think Burton Mission (M) could be a good candidate. Do you also feel the same way? Or do you have some other recommendation for bindings?
Hi Daniel
I think the Mission would work really well with that setup. There are others that would work too, but the Mission would be a good bet. I can give you other options if you’d like, but if you didn’t want to complicate the decision, the Mission would be a good bet, IMO.
Hi Nate,
Would the Now Ipo be a good match for the Typo? I have a 155sm, weight 170lbs with size 8 boot.
I was also considering the Ride C-4, Burton Cartel RE:Flex or the Union Force. I have limited avaviblity in my area so many of the bindings on the All mountain list are not an option for me.
Would you recommend any of these or another option.
Thank you
Hi Eric
Thanks for your message.
I think the IPO would be a really good match to the Typo. They look to me to be a good flex match. The C-4 would work, but a little softer than ideal, IMO. The Cartel and Force would also work with the Typo, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
That’s great. Thank you
Based on availability I went with the Cartels.
Would the Van’s Invado Pro be a good boot for my setup? I am very limited in my area.
Hey Eric.
Yeah, the Invado Pro should be a good match with the rest of the setup. How your boot fits your feet is the most important thing. After that I see flex as being the next most important thing. And Invado Pro should be a good flex match to the rest of your setup.
Thanks Nate. Appreciate it.
I am a little uncertain about my board length. I purchased a 155 Typo prior to finding your amazing reviews and reading some of the comments. I am debating if I should exchange the 155 for a 152 typo and was wondering your through’s.
I am 46 5’6″ and My weight fluctuated between 160 to 170. I am just getting back into snowboarding after many years away. I choose the typo for my all around riding style and was previously an intermediate rider, about 18 yrs ago. I like to think I can ride like i did before but the reality is I’m not are fit and young as I use to be. so I am not sure if the short 152 would be a better option of not. I feel over time the 155 may be better suited.
Any thoughts?
Hi Eric
Thanks for your message.
I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 155/156. With size 8 boots I would say to size down from that a little in most cases. And if you were a beginner I would size down a little too – if a low intermediate maybe a bit too, but to a lesser extent. So I think the 152 would certainly work and that’s probably what I’d be leaning towards for your specs. But the 155 isn’t what I would call out of range. I would say it’s on the big side and at the higher end of your range, but still works. Vs the 152 it will give you more stability, particularly at speed – and for landing jumps/side hits. It will also float better in powder. But it won’t be quite as easy to ride or as quick/easy to maneuver. The Typo I have always found a very easy board to maneuver, so whilst the 155 might not be as easy to maneuver as the 155, I don’t think you would find it hard to maneuver either. The 152 also easier to butter, spin, ollie etc, if you were doing any of that.
Hope this gives you more to go off
Hi Nate
How are you? Nice review!
I am thinking of getting the Yes Typo 155. I am in the Montreal, Canada region, so a lot of hard/icy snow.
I have started this winter season, took a couple of lessons and been going about once a week.
I learned on a rental Head Transit 162 board, but it seems it is too big for me.
I am 180cm, ~155lbs, boot size 10US.
I think I am now an advanced beginner, not quite intermediate yet. I want to learn how to carve more, and maybe do some side hits and small jumps. Maybe learn to do moguls eventually.
Do you think the Typo 155 is good for me as my first board to buy? Does the 156W make a big difference? Because on Yes’s website, 156W is the only one left in stock.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Hi Allan
Thanks for your message.
I think the Typo would be a really good bet for what you’re describing. Because the wide sizes of the Typo aren’t as wide as some, the 156W in this case would be doable. But I would be leaning 155 if you could get your hands on one. Unless you need to go wide, I wouldn’t and I think with 10s you should be good on the regular width 155. That said, if you have bulky boots (some are more low profile than others) and a flat back binding angle (e.g. if your angles were something like +18/-3 or something like that) then it could be pushing it too narrow. But otherwise I think the 155 should be good width wise and I personally prefer narrower, so long as there’s no boot drag, of course.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate.
I was actually able to find a brand new Basic 156W for a good price so I went with that.
I actually pre-ordered the Nidecker Supermatic bindings too. Do you think it will be a problem with the Basic due to stiffness?
Hi Allan
They are on the stiff side for the Basic. You might get away with it though. I felt the Basic at around a 4/10 flex and the Supermatic at a 7/10 flex. The biggest issue that can occur with stiffer bindings on a softer board is that it can make it feel twitchy. But given you’ve gone with the wider Basic, it’s less likely to be an issue.
Hi Nate. Is the 156W typo doable for me? I am 5ft9. 65kg. With a really big size 12 boots. My weight and shoe size is really a problem for me considering it is not agreeing at all. I am really afraid of having a drag.
Hi Lance
Thanks for your message.
I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 153/154, so length-wise, it’s on the bigger side for you, but doable. I can see your dilemma though as there aren’t a lot of wider boards shorter than 155. But there are certainly some options. Can you let me know a few more things and I can search for a few more options, if you think you’d like to try to find something shorter.
– Your boots brand and model, if you know it (some are more low profile than others)
– Your binding angles
– Your ability level
– Your riding style – e.g. fast? more casual? trees? Powder? Carving? Sidehits? Park? etc anything you can tell me about your riding helps.
Ive got a DC Phase BOA 21
+15 / -15 stance
I would say i am on the high end sode of beginner. I ride mostly groom and learning proper carving.
Hi Lance
Thanks for the extra info. Some boards you could look into:
– Bataleon Blow 154W
– Bataleon Disaster or Disaster Plus 153W
– Rome Mechanic 154W
– Lib Tech Skate Banana 153W
– GNU Money 154W (and this also comes in a 150W, though even though it’s a wide size could be borderline still not wide enough)
– Capita Pathdinder Rev 153W (also comes in a 151W, but again, might not be wide enough, even though it’s a wide size)
– Capita Pathfinder Camber 153W (also comes in a 151W, but again, might not be wide enough, even though it’s a wide size)
Some of those are more freestyle oriented and that may not be where you’re wanting to be headed, but I wanted to list as many sub 155 options that come in wide sizes, to give you a good selection of options. These certainly aren’t the only options, but didn’t want to include anything that would be a bit beyond your current ability level.
Thank you for this information nate. This is very helpful. One more question before i leave you XD. Can i got away with a 25.9cm Waist width?
Hi Lance
It would depend on the board. The width at inserts (which is where your feet are going to be, so that’s what we want to look at when it comes to boot drag) can differ quite a bit in relation to the waist width, depending on the board. It can sometimes be as little as 3-5mm wider than the waist and as much as like 18mm wider. With +15/-15 angles and your boots, you might get away with it, depending on the board and depending on how deep you plan on carving (i.e. the greater the angle of the carve, the more likely you are to get boot drag).
Hi Nate,
I’m looking for an all mountain board to complement my Capita Navigator, which would be used more for powder days.
I like the look of the Typo, but it’s the usual question about sizing!
I’m 182cm tall, 85kg and wear a size 11 (UK) nitro venture boot. Generally binding angles are +18/+6 Looking at the widths, I’m thinking I’ll definitely be a wide in the typo. Would the 159w or 163w be best, do you think?
The Yes website has both sizes pretty wide under the rear foot (26.9 and 27.1 respectively). Both wider than my navigator 164 I think.
Thanks as ever for your reviews and advice.
Hi Brendan
Thanks for your message.
I think the 159W would be your best bet, unless you think you’d be wanting to bomb a lot with this board – but if you were going to be using your second board for a lot of high speed riding, then I’d go with a different board anyway. I think 159W is just right for you as a compliment to the Navigator. If you were wanting to bomb a lot with it, then I’d be looking at a different board in something around a 159W-161W.
Hope this helps
Spot on, thanks Nate.
Yeah, I am looking for something a bit more playful and liked the sound of the balance the Typo has between playfulness and stability.
Will go for the 159w. Cheers!!
You’re very welcome Brendan. Happy riding!
Hi Nate,
Hope you are well and as per, thanks for the review
Also thanks for a recommendation you helped me with last year. I went for the Typo and it should arrive soon (I too was between the Typo and Terrain Wrecker)
It would be great if you could advise on a binding for me.
I messed up years ago and bought boots and bindings too big and I can’t even explain why I did that, I’m so mad at myself for it.
I now have Vans Aura Pros size 8.
Boards are Typo 155 and Evil Twin 154
I am 5’8 – 74kg
Riding style – all mountain low end intermediate
Looking for: progress to side hits, small jumps, picking and riding with more speed, trees.
Pretty much everything all mountain I suppose.
Bindings I have found so far for interest:
Malavitas, Genesis, Union Force
I think I would prefer to have good adjustability for the high back and heel but I guess the heel wouldn’t be too essential.
The bindings I have put above have availability so I was wondering if you knew of any others I should be looking at.
Thanks again anyway
Hi Richie
Thanks for your message.
I think anything in that 5/10 to 6/10 flex range is a good bet for the board, your specs and your level. So the Malavita, Genesis and Force would all be suitable. From Union you could also add the Strata and Ultra to that list.
For some more good options in that flex range also check out:
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
>>Top 5 Freestyle Bindings
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
thanks for your detailed reviews. It’s such a help to get some summary of all that gear and boards out there and to draw up a shortlist when thinking about getting new stuff/changing board, boots or bindings!
I have a 2017 Yes Typo (158cm, am 6’1 and 158 lbs) which I haven’t ridden for 6 years. Some weeks ago I’ve been back to the snow with my Typo and I re-loved it so much. I’m an intermediate riding mainly piste, more for fun and some buttering and freestyle than for speeding; I like some park trips once in a while but am no pro when it comes to kicker and obstacles.
Since my boots (have been 1/2-1 size to big) and bindings (2016 Burton Custom binding, flex 4, which i got new but for my first board ever a Burton Dominant I used back then) are old and not fitting properly I decided to go for new boots and bindings in this year’s sale.
I will go to a shop nearby soon to check out both bindings and boots but I’d like to have a preselection and am unsure if they’ll have all these gear in stock and advise well (had 1-2 not that ideal experiences there but since it’s the nearest shop I’ll have a look).
I thought about the Burton Malavita or Genesis as well as about the Union Strata. I’ve read that you advised the Genesis over the Malavita for the Typo. I’m still struggling to get the main differences between these two bindings – some people say/write (online) that the malavita is quite soft, even softer than the Genesis than holding in the hand. The Strata would fit for a more all mountain orientaited riding while the malavita and genesis would be more fitting for a park/freestyle orientaited style?
It seems that the difference in prices arent that big at least here in Europe/Germany so spending some extra 10-40€ for the high-end Genesis could make sense even if I’m not a high-end rider at all?
With my old (to big) boots and this Burton Custom bindings on my Typo I missed a bit of control here and there and had the feeling of quite slow turn initiation. Is that an indication to go for the stiffer Strata or should well fitting boots and Malavita as well as Genesis give more control and a bit faster turn initiation as well?
Boots I’ve thought about have been: Salomon Dialgoue, Salomon Launch, Burton Ion, Burton Swath, Vans Infuse, Vans Aura Pro, Vans Hi Standard Pro
How stiff should I go and look? Some people wrote that the Malavita could not fit/work well with any given boot?
Thanks!
Hi Thomas
Thanks for your message.
I would try to go around 5/10 to 6/10 flex for boots and bindings for the Typo. If you go too stiff, then things could get a bit twitchy – and going too stiff with anything (whether it’s board, boots or bindings), can affect how well the board performs at slower speeds. You still don’t want to go too soft, so that they’re not enough to drive the board – as that will also lead to slower turning – but given you’re not just out for speed, you can go too stiff. For your specs as well, I wouldn’t go too stiff. For boots, I wouldn’t go stiffer than 7/10 and preferably not that stiff even and for bindings preferably no stiffer than 6.5/10.
The Malavita and Genesis are a really similar flex overall, IMO. But the Genesis’ base plate is a little stiffer than the Malavita base plate. The Malavita’s highback is stiffer than on the Genesis though. Both are good all-round bindings, IMO, so you can certainly ride all-mountain in them as well as freestyle. IMO that softer baseplate does make the Malavita a more freestyley feeling binding, but both would work well with the Typo and with your style. The Strata is a good choice too though – and does give a little more in terms of drive/response. But still in a good flex range and a good feel for how you describe your riding and for the Typo. There’s not a bad choice between them, IMO.
For boots, I think everything, except the Ion, that you’ve listed there would work well with the Typo. The only one I would be a bit hesitant about is the Burton Ion, which I would say is a little too stiff for the board and for your style of riding. Doesn’t feel as nice when not riding fast as the others. Vans Infuse is borderline too stiff as well, but if you were to take the tongue stiffeners out, it should be a good flex. The Dialogue and Infuse (without tongue stiffeners) are what I felt as a 6/10 flex, the Ion a 7.5/10 flex and the rest that you’ve mention there a 5/10 flex.
Hope this helps with your gear hunt!
Thanks for your advice and explanations!
I’ve been to a local shop today, tried a few boots and really liked the fit of the Rome Libertine Hybrid. It’s a stiffer boot (7 flex I guess) and the guy strongly recommended getting a stiffer boot than something soft like the Burton Swath. They didn’t have any salomon or vans boots though. Did you try or hear anything about the Rome? They have a nice deal atm for that boot as well so I’m really thinking about going for that one before deciding between the genesis or strata bindings.
Thanks!
Hi Thomas
I haven’t tested the Rome Libertine yet, but at 7/10 flex, I think they would work with the Typo. But it’s the stiffest I’d go for you and for the Typo.
Stiffer isn’t always better. But some people have that impression – either because that’s what they’ve been told or because that’s what they prefer. But everyone is different and it really depends on the board you’re riding and your own physical specs. Lighter riders don’t typically like stiffer boots – and those who aren’t that athletic/strong don’t tend to like stiffer boots. Similarly a softer board doesn’t typically get on well with stiffer boots, if they’re a lot stiffer. And stiffer boots tend to be better for certain styles of riding too, but not others. If you’re riding fast a lot and leaning into deep carves, then stiffer boots are preferable (how stiff will depend on other factors like weight and the board your riding). But they don’t tend to do well for more playful park riding or when you’re trying to ride at slower speeds, particularly if you’re doing a lot of shorter sharper turns at slow speeds.
All that said, I don’t think the Libertine will be too stiff – but they’re right on the most stiff that I would go in your case. And also fit is the number one most important thing in boots – flex comes second. If they fit you well and they’re within a good flex range, then I think they’re a good bet.
Thanks for your thoughts on that. I totally get your point. I decided to get that Rome Libertine and to order a pair of Salomon Dialogues online since the shop does not sell them. They had the Burton Swath so I think I’ll try this one as well before buying the Rome. So I should be able to compare these boots and take the pair which fit me well/best.
Last question on that: Does taking stiffer boots change anything when thinking about bindings? Should I go a bit stiffer there as well (as the Strata or Burton Cartel) when taking a stiffer boot? Or should a boot like the Libertine work well with bindings like the Genesis, Malavita or Union Ultra? The guy at the shop recommended the all new Ultra saying it’s more of an freestylish all mountain than pure freestyle binding.
Thanks again!
Hi Thomas
If you take the stiffer boots, I don’t think you need to necessarily go with stiffer bindings, given the flex of the board. I’d still say something between 5/10 to 6/10 flex ideally. The Ultra can definitely work for all-mountain riding on a softer flexing board like the Typo, so I think that’s a choice that would work well. I felt it at a 5/10 flex, so I think it’s in a good flex range – and they are really nice bindings, in my experience.
Hi Nate,
Appreciate all the advice you give on your site and hoping you can help.
I’m an intermediate rider looking in the near future to get my own board that would be suited for hard snow (and occasionally icy)
I’m mostly on groomers and a bit of powder. I like some speed and am learning to carve more but wouldn’t expect to be deep carving. I also like things nimble with quick edge to edge changes or sometimes just cruisy and mellow. So a mixed bag.
So far I’ve rented the Endeavour Ranger, Lib Tech Cold Brew and Jones Frontier.
But am considering either the Typo or Terrain Wrecker for a purchase.
I’m 6’1, around 185lbs and wear a 11.5US. Bindings are Union Force and shoes ThirtyTwo Lashed Double Boa.
Any thoughts on board and size appreciated. Open to other boards too.
Thanks!
Hi Phil
Thanks for your message.
I think either the Typo or Terrain Wrecker (TW) would work well for you. In my experience the Typo is a little better in icy conditions, but both are really good in them, so I think you’d be good with either. The TW a little better for powder than the Typo, IMO. Neither are carving machines, nor speed machines, but can handle carves and moderate speeds fine. Both are nice and quick edge-to-edge in my experience, so I’d say that have you covered there for sure. Both would match fine with your current bindings and boots too.
Note that the Typo, in my experience has a more “stable” feel but not locked in or anything. While the TW is a little looser feeling. It’s not super loose feeling, but has a slightly looser feeling. That’s not a good thing or bad thing, just depends on what you like. Think difference between Cold Brew which likely gave you a slightly looser feel – vs the Frontier, which was likely more stable feeling.
Size-wise, I think the 161W would be your best bet for the TW. None of the other sizes, apart from the 156W would be wide enough for your boots, IMO, and I think 156 would be going too short for your specs. I would put your “standard all-mountain size” at around 161, so I think it’s a good length too. I mean as an intermediate rider you could size down a touch from there, but I think the 161W would work fine.
For the Typo, I would look at the 159W.
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate. Very helpful.
More out of interest this Q but with the Typo, the waist widths in the 156w and 159w are pretty similar, with 2mm difference.
The 159w I presume may just suit my height/weight better?
And with the 156w, I’d sacrifice some potential speed?
Thanks again.
Hi Phil
You got it spot on, the 159W just better for your height/weight specs, IMO. The width shouldn’t make too much difference. And yeah, the 156W would be slower and less stable at speed – which is where it would concern me the most size-wise with that – is it could get quite wobbly at speed for you in that size. Also less float in powder in the smaller size.
Hello 🙂
Sorry in advance for my English…
I’m intermediate level 5 (or 6) and kept an all mountain board that allows me to go fast and have fun freestyle.
I would like to gain confidence and improve myself more, so not a too complicated board to understand
I hesitate between the Yes typo, Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker and the Salomon assassin
I am 180cm tall for 65kg. My boot size is 41/42
Could you direct me to a board adapted to my needs / morphology please? and finally, what bindings and boots do you recommend depending on the board?
Thank you for your precious advice,
William
Hi William
Thanks for your message.
The Typo and Terrain Wrecker are the more playful of the 3, but with that said, the Assassin isn’t overly aggressive or anything. But if you want it to be more mellow/playful, then either the Typo or Terrain Wrecker. That said, all 3 would work for what you’re describing.
Size-wise, I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 154. With your boot size I would be erring lower than that rather than higher, so for each board, I would say:
Typo: 152
TW: 152
Assassin: 153
For boots and bindings, I would be looking at around 5/10 flex and up to 7/10 flex at most. To keep things more mellow, I wouldn’t go more than 6/10 flex though – and also for your specs, I would keep it to 5/10 or 6/10. Something from one of the following would be a good bet, IMO.
>>Top 5 Freestyle Bindings
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
>>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots
>>My Top All Mountain (medium to medium-stiff flex) Snowboard Boots
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Awesome Review, I have been researching the Typo uncontrollably for days as it seems to be the perfect board! I am on the East coast, middle intermediate, who is upgrading my 156 Solomon Pulse. I am 5’8 175-180pds with Vans OG 10 boots/Union Strata M.
I am going back and forth between Typo 155, 156w maybe 158? I just feel like the 158 might be too long. Any toe drag with 10’s on the 155? I am also duck stance. Usually ride
70% carving groomers & side hits, 10% trees, & 20% Park.
Help would be greatly appreciated!
-Nick
Hey Nick
Thanks for your message.
I think the 155 is probably the best size for you. 158 wouldn’t be wrong though. But I’d be leaning 155. In terms of width, I wouldn’t go much narrower but I also think you should be fine. I rode the 155 with Vans 10s and didn’t have any toe drag issues. Taking into account I was riding +15/-15 – and that angle does help. But so long as you’re riding with like a 12-15 degree angle on the back foot, I wouldn’t anticipate any drag, unless you’re really railing your carves (i.e. eurocarving).
Hope this helps
Awesome Thank you! I ride 12, -12 so that would work. Only other question I had was about the potential of The greats. I am pretty confident in selecting one of these 2 boards. For greats I have been throwing around 151 or 154, leaning towards 154 but the shorter size is very enticing.
I see you road the 154, but being shorter and still in the ref. weight at 175 for the 151 I am going back and forth.
Any thoughts for this board as I may go that route being I like the thought of an asym. true twin too.
Thank you again,
-Nick
Hi Nick
I rode the 154, but I have ridden the 156 a lot (I own one) and I really like that length for the Greats as an all-round all-mountain-freestyle board. The 154 didn’t feel short to me or anything (which 154s typically do for most boards) and its a size that if I was doing more predominantly freestyle riding with, then I would probably go 154. For you, I think with 70% groomers, 10% tress and 20% park, I would be leaning 154. If it was more like 60-70% park and trees, 30% groomers, kind of thing, then I might be more inclined to say 151. 151 wouldn’t be wrong by any means, but I’d be leaning 154.
Though, another thing to take into account, is that the 154 Greats will feel bigger than the 155 Typo, taking into account width and effective edge. There’s not an exact way to think of an exact comparable size but I would say the 154 Greats would feel more like a 157 Typo, size-wise (again different boards, so not an exact comparison but size-wise) and the 151 more like a 154 Typo. Hope that gives you more to go off
Thank you Nate,
I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a 151 Greats. I like to ride more on the creative, loose, skatelike side of things and am not looking for a bomber anyway. As you mentioned the 151 would have been similar surface area to a 155 typo anyway. Ultimately this is a board I want progress creative riding and justified the extra cost. Now I just need to stop thinking and get this thing on edge!
I appreciate you helping out the community with all your thorough replies to all the questions. (Even all the repeats lol)
Cheers!
You’re very welcome Nick. Hope the 151 Greats treats you well. If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow.
Update** Had a full day and a 1/2 at Okemo VT on the 151 Greats. All I can say is….Wow! This thing is a wonderful carver. I had the board over 35mph acording to the WeSki app and it was awesome! So happy I downsized because It felt super nimble and easy to pop around/Butter. Such a “Great” board for anyone following this comment thread. Im sure the Typo would be awesome too. I just love the wideness under foot with the pulled in waist. Riding switch was a lot of fun being a true twin. Midbite was also outstanding on a few icy spots we hit.
Hey Nick
Thanks for the update and your insights. Awesome to hear your loving your new Greats. Most days I get to ride just for me (when not testing gear), I take out my Greats, unless it’s a powder day.
Hello Nate,
Thank you for the awesome reviews love the website.
Wondering if you could help me narrow down my next board.
I am 182 75kg boot size 9.5 intermediate rider, looking for a board for carving groomers, riding fast, suitable for powders (when available, Greek mountains are pretty icy), and great for hard and icy conditions.
I have narrowed it down to the following 4:
Yes Typo 158
Burton Flight Attendant 159
Jones MT 157
Lib Tech Terrain Recker 157
(any advice on the board sizing would also be appreciated!)
Thanks in advance for your support!
Cheers from Greece,
Chris
Hi Chris
Thanks for your message.
The Typo and Terrain Wrecker are, IMO, the more playful of the bunch there and not as good for higher speed carves, which seem to be important for you. They’re not bad, but also not great when it comes to doing big carves and higher speeds.
The Flight Attendant, IMO, is the best of the list for speed, carving and powder, which are all seem to be high on your list of attributes, though would be the trickiest to ride as an intermediate rider.
The Mountain is a little better for carving and speed than the Typo and TW, IMO, and still decent in powder. It’s a little better in icy conditions than the FA too – and it’s good for an intermediate level, IMO. So, whilst you’d be sacrificing some in terms of speed, carving and powder vs the Flight Attendant, it’s the one that I would be looking at most closely.
Size-wise, I think you’re spot on going with 157 for the MT.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate,
Thanks for the fast reply!
Reading some additional reviews from your all-mountain list, I have also checked the Burton Custom Flying V 158.
Would you recommend it as an alternative choice to the Jones MT?
Between Mt and Custom Flying V, which one is more suitable for Powder?
Thank you for your time!
Hi Chris
Thanks for your message.
I would say they are equals in terms of powder. I would say the MT is a better carver and better at speed. The main difference, IMO, is that the Custom Flying V is a bit on the looser side, in terms of feel, versus a more stable feel on the MT. Custom Flying V more in line with Typo and TW when it comes to higher speed carves, IMO. But in terms of powder both as good as each other I’d say.
Thank you very much Nate!
You’re very welcome Chris. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hi Nate,
Low intermediate to intermediate rider here. 5’10” and 192lbs with a size 10 boot. What size would you recommend for the Typo? I’m thinking 158? I don’t do any park, just try to keep up with my boys on the groomers.
Thank you sir. And thank you for all the info on this site — it’s fantastic!!
Hi James
Thanks for your message.
I agree, I think the 158 would be your best bet. The 161 wouldn’t be wrong either, but I’d be leaning 158.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thank you!
You’re very welcome James. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hey Nate,
I’m an east-coast guy and I’ve been riding for 20+ years now, but admittedly, there have been some gaps of 2-3-4 skipped seasons in a row. I’d think, that with all the stops and starts, and limited opportunities to ride, I’m a borderline high beginner/low intermediate in terms of skill. I don’t particularly crave speed and I stick to groomers. I’m really just looking to get out there, put together some good runs, not get hurt, and maintain a solid enough level that I can keep up with my daughter for a while as she’s currently learning.
I’ve been riding a Burton Royale, that I bought used back in 2010 or so ever since. I’m looking for something new that is really going to let me find my footing, lock down the basics, and be able to do every run on the mountain (I can handle blacks, but with significant speed management and it kills my legs).
I’ve been going back and forth for days between going all the way down to something like the Gnu GWO/Yes Basic (super easy turning, less fatigue, really back to basics) or doing something that will give me just a bit more room to grow like the Yes Typo/Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker (or any other suggestion). I’m cool sticking at the Intermediate Level forever…I just want to be able solidify all my basics so I don’t get totally left behind when my daughter inevitably passes me by in skill.
Which option would you recommend???
Hi Tom
Thanks for your message.
I would be leaning towards something like the Typo or Terrain Wrecker. I think for what you’re describing you’ll be good to go with them and they give you a bit more of an all-mountain feel (as opposed to freestyle feel) vs the likes of the Basic/GWO. Both are good in icy conditions and good for groomers and both good for that high-end beginner/low intermediate kind of level. Nothing that requires a lot of effort to turn or anything, assuming you get an appropriate size. Happy to give my sizing opinion if you want it. Would just need your height, weight and boot size.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I noticed the advice chain in the comments and was wondering if you could help me out. I was looking to purchase the 155 Yes Typo at 5’10”, 150 lbs, and a size 9 boot. I ride on the east coast and would estimate that my skill level is around the middle of intermediate.
I’m looking for a pretty versatile quiver killer all mountain board that leans towards freestyle riding but can still carve or hit powder when it comes up. Thats what initially put me onto the typo instead of basic. I was thinking the 155 or possibly stretching to the 158 typo with the Union Strata, or Ride C-8 Bindings. I’m a bit worried about being too light for the 158 though. Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks in advance,
Titan
Hi Titan
Thanks for your message.
I would go 155 for the Typo for sure. That size is just right for you, IMO. The 158 a little big. For bindings, the Strata would be a good match, IMO, but the C-8 would be a little too stiff. The C-6 would be a better bet for the Typo, IMO.
Hope this helps
Thanks so much for the help, and fast reply. Do you think the Salomon Dialogue Lace SJ BOA would be a good match to the board and Union Strata bindings? I’m able to get them at a discount.
Thank you again
Hi Titan
Yeah, those would be a good match to the Typo, IMO, so if you can get a good deal no them go for it. Just a note with boots though, that fit is really important and different brands fit a bit differently and some suit certain foot types more than others – so the Dialogue Lace SJ Boa is a good flex match in that setup, IMO, but fit is the most important thing with boots. If you can try on first, then that’s best, but if not, check out some things here. Even if you can try on, check these out so you know what you’re looking for when you try them on.
>>How to Size Snowboard Boots
Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands
Hello nate,
I must say my English is not very good. Forgive me if I’m wrong.
I have read almost all of your posts. Thank you. However, I have a few questions.
I went to the mountain 11 times in 2 seasons. I’m a little better than a beginner. I think in the future I will prefer carving. I don’t think I will go to the park
I want to use board for more than 5 years.
*Yes typo 161 cm
*Capita OCL 160cm
I’m undecided between these 2 snowboards.
My height is 182 cm My weight is 95-105 kg My feet are 27-27.5 cm (eu 42-43) (I am an athletic person.)
Can Capita OSL satisfy me in terms of stiffness, stability and edge hold? It’s easier for me to buy Capita OSL.
Which one do you think I should choose?
Thank You!
Hi Emre
Thanks for your message.
The OSL is a little stiffer than the Typo, and it can handle speed a little better. Similar in terms of carving, but the Typo does have better edge-hold in hard/icy conditions. I think if you ride in icy conditions often I would be leaning Typo, otherwise would be leaning OSL for what you’re describing.
Size-wise, I think you’re just right with the sizes you’ve chosen.
Hope this helps.
Hi Nate
I got a Typo 155. I am 5’9 165 lbs , intermediate rider ( groomed runs ) , decided to take it to the park this season , so still a beginner there.
What are your thoughts on these bindings
Nidecker Trition + Bent Metal Joint – M
Nidecker Trition + Flow fenix – L
Nidecker Trition + Union Force – M
Hi Yogi
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the Joint, but based on specs, it should be a good match flex-wise to the Typo, assuming the flex rating is fairly accurate.
I also haven’t ridden the Fenix, but have ridden the Fenix-Plus. They’re supposed to be the same in terms of flex, so I think they would also match the Typo well. I felt the Fenix-Plus at 5.5/10 flex.
The Force would also work. It has a flex feel of 6/10, by my feel. It’s on the stiffer side for the Typo, but still within range. Though I would probably lean more to the Strata, given that you’re taking it to the park – just to get that better board feel. The Strata or the new Ultra.
Hey Nate,
Gonna hop on the advice train.
I’m 5’9″, 185lbs, Size 9 boot and in between intermediate level 5-6. Typically ride groomers and am comfortable on blacks at speed once warmed up. This year I’m looking to build on that with riding switch, improving carving, small jumps/tricks. Still want to bomb for fun. I tend to stay away from the park, but dabble on small stuff every once if buddies are so inclined.
My home resort can see harder icy/snow but I plan to travel quite a bit this year to resorts with better conditions/more pow.
Looking at the following boards:
– Yes Typo (158)
– Capita OSL (158)
– Nitro Team Gullwing (159)
– Yes Standard (156)
Thoughts? Is the typo the right board to progress the way I want to while allowing me to still bomb runs? Or should I step up to one of the other boards?
Hi Zack
Thanks for your message.
Given you want to be able to bomb, I would probably step it up to either the Team Gullwing or the Standard. I agree with the sizings you have too (159 for Team Gullwing and 156 for Standard). The Typo would be easier to learn jumps/tricks on and for riding switch, but the likes of the Standard and Gullwing are still forgiving enough that you should be OK as an intermediate 5-6. The OSL would work too. It’s a little more playful than the Team Gullwing and Standard, but not quite as playful as the Typo. It’s not as good for hard/icy conditions though. For those the Standard and Typo are the best, in my experience, then Team Gullwing, then OSL.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate.
Super helpful. I’ve narrowed the above list down to the Standard but as per rabbit hole research tradition, have also added the Jones MT to the mix. Any opinions there? They seem to often be in the same conversation so maybe it’s splitting hairs.
Also, currently have thirty-two STW BOA boots & Burton Custom Re:Flex (‘18) from previous setup. Am I doing myself a disservice not refreshing the entire setup? Or do you think I can manage as is?
Hi Zack
To a degree it is splitting hairs between the Standard and MT in terms of overall performance, and you can’t make a bad decision between them, IMO. Some subtle differences to consider:
– MT has a faster glide on the base, in my experience
– MT has a different, slightly looser (but not to the point of actually being looser than stable, if that makes sense) because of the 3D contour shaping on the base
– Set up in their reference stances the Standard is better for switch and the MT better in powder, but you have the slam backs on the Standard which evens it out in powder – and the MT you can easily center up (there’s even markings showing a “freestyle” stance on the board) – which evens it up for switch) – so really nothing there.
– Standard a little better in icy conditions, but the MT still pretty good there
The boots and bindings are a bit soft to be ideal. Ideally you’d want to step up to something around 6/10 to 7/10 flex, but at least 5/10 flex, IMO. That setup will do the job, but won’t be optimal, IMO.
Hi Nate- Thanks for all your help. I ended up pulling the trigger on The Standard & love it so far. Great recco.
Now I’m itching for the boot/binding upgrade to really make it sing.
Any suggestions?
Best,
Zack
Hi Zack
Glad to hear you’re enjoying the Standard.
I would be leaning towards something around a 6/10 flex for how you describe your riding. To best match the Standard, I would go either 6/10 to 7/10 flex for bindings, depending on riding style. Given you’re looking to add some small jumps/tricks into the mix, I’d be erring to 6/10 flex, but going up to 7/10 would enhance your carving a little more, so there’s that to consider, so I’ll give you options for both. I would make sure whichever flex you go with, to ensure that they have good board feel, given you’re wanting to add some tricks in there.
For boots you could go either 6/10 or 7/10 flex. Again depends on whether you want to make things subtly easier for learning those tricks or if you want to enhance your carving more. And no reason you couldn’t go 7/10 boot with 6/10 bindings, if you wanted.
For some good options in that range check out (be sure to look at score breakdowns to ensure they have what you’re looking for). Also note that anything with a mini-disc won’t be able to take advantage of the “slam back inserts” on the Standard, so if you intend on using those, then don’t choose something with a mini-disc:
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
>>My Top All Mountain (medium to medium-stiff flex) Snowboard Boots
Also for boots, fit is the most important thing. Some things below to consider:
>>How to Size Snowboard Boots
Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands
Hi – I’m setting up the yes typo and want to try a 22inch stance which is narrower than the reference stance. Should I move my front foot one notch back or the back foot one notch forward when setting this up since there is already a set back of 5mm on this board?
Thanks!
Hi Aaron
Thanks for your message.
I would move the front foot back one notch. If you were to move the back foot forward you would end up with a set forward stance, which I wouldn’t do. Moving the front foot back one set of holes would give you a bigger setback than the 5mm, but I would do that before I went with a forward stance. Depending on your bindings, you may be able to move each binding 10mm each to the center of the board to maintain the same setback – but it would depend on your bindings stance adjustability.
Hope this helps
Hey!
I’m 5’10, 180lbs and I have a size 9 boots
I bought a 156w Typo. Should I be worried about the width of the board? Is it to wide for my size 9 boots?
Thanks
Hi Robert
Thanks for your message.
Because the Typo isn’t super wide in it’s wide sizes, it’s not as bad as a wide board typically would be for 9s. But it’s still wide for 9s. With your specs, I would have gone 158. Because it’s slightly on the short side for your specs, the 156W isn’t way off, but I’d still go 158 if you have the option.
Hope this helps
I find a good deal on a BLEM at 340 $. I had Salomon Pulse and I wanted an upgrade. Here in Europe is hard to find.
Hi guys,
thanks for helping us! I am all mountain rider (171 cm 82 kg) now learning switch and pretty lying carves. Before I was riding stiffer 157 cm freeride desk, which was not playful at all. Therefore I wanna buy new playful shorter desk, but also I wanna do nice carving.
I was riding now 4 days on rented Burton process flying V 152 cm and it was super playful. But is this soft short board good for me? Maybe Yes Typo would hold edges better. But the tables always says, that I am fat and my weight should fit longer desk.
So can you help me decide and choose right length? Burton Process flying V vs. Yes Typo
And what bindings should I buy with my boots size US 10.
Thanks for helping.
Filip
Hi Filip
Thanks for your message.
IMO, the Typo is a better carver than the Process Flying V. It’s still playful as well though – so I think it would be a good option for what you’re describing. I would go 155 for the Typo. I think something around 157/158 is a good bet as your “standard all-mountain” length for your specs, but given that you want to go shorter, more playful, sizing down to the 155 is a good idea. I think 152 is a bit short, given that you still want to carve. So, yeah, because it’s better for carving, but still playful, I would go Typo and I’d go 155. It won’t be as playful as the Process Flying V 152, but I think it would make a good middle ground between being playful, but still something you can carve on.
In terms of bindings, given how you want to ride, I would pair the Typo with something around 5/10 to 6/10 flex. Something form one of the following would work well, IMO (note that some in the first list below are softer than 5/10 flex, so just check the details).
>>Top 5 All Freestyle Bindings
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps
Dear rider!
Hi Nate,
Your advice was fruitful 🙂 My new Yes typo 155 cm with beautiful design and Burton mission bindings are nicely compatible together. It fits me perfectly and all pros and cons listed are true. All I wanted was 100% achieved.
IMO playful, medium soft, frostbite edges works, great switch, still great to carve. A bit unstable at high speed.
Thank you a lot, for all your work you’ve done here.
Filip
You’re very welcome Filip. Awesome to hear you’re getting on well with your board and thank you for the update and the insights. Much appreciated.
Hello and thanks for this review.
I have been ridding snowboard for first time this season but I went like 60 days already.
I have been riding a Yes Basic 155 (wich is really playfull) and a Burton process (157 Wild) wich I find really stiff.
I love the basics, but I find it a bit to flex, and since i want to buy a board, I am thinking the typo will be a good option.
I love to do all mountain (trees, carvs, park) but what I really like the most is flat tricks and butter for now.
Would you recommand the typo or the Basic?
And since I am 154lbs and 6 feets, 11 boots, what size would you recommand ? I really love having a good maneuverability, especially in the trees, do you think I can go for the 155 or it’s definitly to small for me ?
Thanks
Hi Fabien
Thanks for your message.
I think Typo, given that you’ve got 60 days under your belt and find the Basic a bit too soft. The Typo isn’t a huge amount stiffer, but it’s a little bit stiffer, which by the sounds of it you want, given that buttering and flat tricks is what you’re wanting the most – and given you found the Process stiff (part of that is the bigger size).
Size-wise for the Typo, because you’re in 11s, I would go 156W. The 155 is a little narrow for 11s, IMO. If you got away with the 155 Basic and weren’t wanting to do any deeper carves than you’re already doing, then it’s doable of course – and it would give you more maneuverability, but also risks boot drag on bigger carves.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate.
I am thinking about buying a new board. I drive mainly on groomed slopes. I would like to learn some butter as well. I judge my driving level as intermediate, maybe a little higher. I am considering Yes Typo and Capita OSL. When it comes to Capita it has less camber than Typo. I think it will probably be worse in carving or am I wrong? What do you think about Yes Basic Decade? Or maybe you would recommend some other board?
Hi John
Thanks for your message.
I would say the camber component of each board is fairly similar and for carving both are fairly similar too. The Typo is a bit easier to butter, but neither are hard to butter. I haven’t ridden the Basic Decade, but I understand it’s supposed to be on the stiffer side. YES rate it 7/10, but in reality, based on other YES boards I’ve ridden, I’d say probably closer to 6/10 – so probably not overly stiff. It has the same camber profile as the Typo. Likely harder to butter than the Typo, but probably still has some butterability. Had to say for sure, how it feels though, without having ridden it before.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hello Nate, thanks for the suggestions. I found an offer for snowboard Yes Globe Not So Basic 155 cm and 158 cm. In specs Yes has a flex of 9/10, but probably is overstated like other boards. Have You had contact with this board? I wonder if it would be good for me or too stiff and Yes Typo will be better?
Hey
I haven’t ridden the Globe, so I’m not sure in reality how stiff it is. It’s quite likely that it’s not a 9/10, based on other YES boards, but it’s probably at least 7/10, at a guess. If you went 155 it would mellow it out a bit, but I would be more inclined to go 158 Typo. But again, having not ridden the Globe, I couldn’t say for sure.
Hi Nate
Thanks for all the time you spend dishing out advice; it’s really appreciated.
I’m looking to make the transition from rental to buying. Looking at various reviews, the Yes Typo might be the right board for me.
I say I’m on the cusp of advanced beginners and starting intermediate. I am easily linking turns on (EU) blue runs. And can handle (EU) red runs passably (I don’t fall over, but I’m not winning any points for style 😊 )
I’m not looking to do any freestyle (I’m almost 50 and not as flexible or brave as I once was), so I would say on groomed runs.
I’m 185 cm and 72-75KG with a UK shoe size of 9 (US 10?)
It sounds like this board is suitable? What size should I be looking at? 158?
I’m thinking of pairing this up with some Burton Step On Boots/Bindings … I send to board with skiers, and the speed/convenience of this system will mean they aren’t waiting for me to get ready for each run 🙂
Hi Spike
Thanks for your message.
I think the Typo should work really well for what you’re describing.
Size-wise, I think 158 will be just right for your specs – and a size that you can continue to ride for as long as you want. If you were a complete beginner, then I would probably look at the 155, but given your level now, I think the 158 is a good bet and it’s something you wouldn’t have to size up from down the line.
Hope this helps
Thanks, Nate. Appreciate the help.
You’re very welcome Spike. Happy riding!
Hi, I would like to buy my board. I’m rather intermediate. Mainly 80% slope and some 20% butter. I will consider Yes Typo or Yes Basic. Basic is a bit cheaper. Which better board would you recommend? There are some noticeable differences between them while driving?
Hi Mirko
Thanks for your message. Yeah, there are some noticeable differences between them. They’re not massively different, but you do get a bump in performance on the Typo – as an intermediate rider and given how you describe your riding, I would be leaning Typo for you. Sizing is also important – I would be happy to make a sizing suggestion – would just need your height, weight and boot size.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
I have read a lot of your reviews and think this is the one. I have been riding for 8 years, and can do some tricks like a 180’s and a 360’s. I’m still not good at jibbing or buttering, but I want to get better at it. Im also trying to improve my carving skills as im still not that good at it. I mostly ride on groomers, take some sidehits and go to the park now and then but i want to go more often. I don’t really ride pow. What size do you recommend for me? Im 6’1, 175lb and have size US12. Should i get a 156W or a 159W?
Thanks in advance!
Daan
Hi Daan
Thanks for your message.
I think the Typo should suit what you’re describing well. Size-wise, I would be leaning 159W. 156W is doable but on the smaller side for you, IMO. I’d go 159W.
Hope this helps
Hello Nate, thank You for the answer. When it comes to the differences in stiffness, is it also a palpable difference? My height is 182 cm, weight 75 kg, shoe size US10. However, would you recommend something else instead of the Yes Typo for these purposes. I would like this board to last me at least 5 years or longerlonger if it possible.
Hi Mirko
It’s a noticeable difference. It’s not a massive difference by any means, but it’s noticeable.
Size-wise, I think the 158 would be your best bet. The 155 doable, if you were doing more freestyle and were more on the beginner side of intermediate, but for what you’re describing, and as a size that will still be good for you as a more advanced rider, go 158, IMO.
If you think you want to be a more aggressive rider, then maybe not the Typo, but if you think you’ll want to keep things more playful, then the Typo would work well and be a board you could keep for 5 years. But if you do think you’d want to ride more aggressively/faster, I would be happy to recommend some that are still intermediate friendly but a little more aggressive/stable at speed.
Thanks Nate. I don’t know how it happened but my answer appeared in another thread, not mine. Which boards could you recommend for a more stable speed at a speed that is more aggressive than the Typo but still intermediate-friendly?
Some options include:
– Ride Wildlife – a little better at speed, but you do lose some butterability. And more directional – not sure if you were looking to stick more to true twin or directional twin
– Slash Brainstorm – again lose a little for buttering, gaining speed and a little more directional than typo as well
– Capita OSL – like most of these, you drop some buttering, but still pretty good for butterability
Or you could step up to something a little more advanced, if you felt you were a high intermediate rider. If you feel you more low intermediate, then I think the above or the Typo, but if you’re a more solid to high intermediate then you could also look at.
– YES Standard
– Jones Mountain Twin
– Rossignol One
Hi Nate,
First of all, massive thanks for the work you put into this site. It’s been unbelievably helpful as I’m looking to make the jump from rental gear to my own stuff.
I’ve got some questions specifically about boards. I’m not sure, but think I could be classed as an advanced beginner — I started learning this year (8 days on the slopes in total) and seem to have picked things up at a decent pace. I can link turns on blues comfortably and probably catch an edge once or twice in a day of riding. I have more fun going faster and don’t see myself getting too into park. So far, I’m sticking only to groomers but can see that riding trees could be fun in the future. Not sure what other details are useful here!
So, I’m looking for a board that I can continue to progress on and hopefully take with me on the journey into intermediate and beyond. I’m looking at the Typo over the Yes Basic and other boards in the beginner’s top 10 because you mention that the Typo has some more stability for higher speeds but is still OK for beginners.
Does the Typo sound like a reasonable choice? Are there some other boards that you’d recommend for my situation?
Size-wise, I’m 190cm and 165lbs with size US 9 feet. If the Typo sounds good, what size would you recommend? I’m leaning towards the 158cm but the 161cm seems to have more availability.
Thanks a lot!
Sam
Hi Sam
Thanks for your message.
I think the Typo would be a good choice. It’s that kind of board that’s good for a higher end beginner, looking to transition into intermediate and wants something that can stay with them longer than a pure beginner board – i.e. fits what you’re describing really well.
Size-wise, I would go 158 for your specs. The 161 is getting a bit too big for your weight, IMO. I think 158 would be just right for your specs and your current level and still big enough that you won’t grow out of it too quickly.
Hope this helps
Thanks heaps Nate, really helpful! I eventually managed to find the 158 and got a good deal on it with some Mission bindings. I saw them appear in your freestyle list but it seems as their stiffness is medium and should hopefully pair well with the Typo for my level of riding. They both arrive tomorrow and I am absolutely stoked!
Thanks again
You’re very welcome Sam and thanks for the update. I think the Missions should go nicely with the Typo. If you think of it at the time let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get your new setup out on snow. Happy riding!
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the detailed reviews! I’m 5’9″, 180lbs but have smaller feet at mondo 250 (US 7). I tried looking for a narrower board, but no luck. Would a 155 in the Yes, Typo work for me? I just ordered Burton Photons if that makes a difference.
Thanks!
Mark
Hi Mark
Thanks for your message. Size-wise, I think it would work well. It’s sizing down a bit from what I would consider your “standard all-mountain” size – which I would say is more like 158/159 assuming a relatively advanced level – but sizing down because of the width being wide for your boots makes sense. Whether or not the Typo is suitable or not would depend on your riding. If you could let me know how you like to ride (e.g. fast? trees? powder? park? aggressive or playful? etc) and your rough ability level.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I am so impressed by your informative replies here. I hope you could also recommand me a size for Yes Repo. I am 5″10′, 146lbs, us9.5 boots. I see myself as a high-end beginner. I am comfortable doing linking turns and switching edges fast. I believe I can do blue runs, and I will prove it after I get this new board. I will buy step-on bindings for it. As they are quite responsive, I wonder does it matter for choosing the size of the board. I won’t go to park. I need your professional advise. Thank you in advance!
Hi Arnold
Thanks for your message.
I would go 152 for your specs. You could step it up to 155 if you really wanted, but I think that’s at the big end of your range, given your current skill level. I think 152 should work well.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thank you for your reply! That helps a lot. Then at what level 155 would be a better option for me? If the gap is not too much, I could practice with rentals until I get there. If it takes a lot effort, I can just buy 152 right away.
Hi Arnold
At your weight, I think the 155 is always going to be on the big side – so even at a more advanced level, I’d be looking more at 153/154, unless you think you’ll gain wait before then. The 152 would be suitable for a long time through your progression, IMO, assuming a constant weight. You could indefinitely ride a 152 even. You’d have the option to go longer when you progress, but you wouldn’t necessarily have to.
Thank you again Nate! It’s clear to me now. My weight has always been stable. I’ll go for 152. Thanks a lot!
You’re very welcome Arnold. Hope it treats you well. If you think of it at the time let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow. Happy riding!
Hi Nate,
I’m back. 🙂 Jones Mountain Twin also caught my eyes, especially when it is on sale. Which size should I pick if I go for it? I assume 154? Thank you in advance!
Hi Arnold
If you were to go MT, then I think 154 is the more pure size for your specs. As a high-end beginner, the 151 would work really well for right now, IMO. So you could go 154, but it will be a steeper learning curve – the MT is a bit of a step up from Typo as well. It’s still intermediate friendly for sure, but not as low intermediate friendly as the Typo. So going to 154 MT from 152 Typo, would be more of a steeper learning curve, IMO.
Thanks again, Nate. Indeed, I see that MT is a bit too stiff to me. I believe Typo is the best for me atm. Or maybe any other options I can also consider based on my skill level? I looked through your top 10 intermediate list. Is anything there would work for me? Or you have some recommendation?
Hi Arnold
I think a lot from that intermediate list would work for what you’re describing. Given you’re not interested in park, you could cross off the more freestyle options.
If you are going to be riding in icy conditions fairly often, then I would be leaning Typo or Resurgence – though the Terrain Wrecker, Snowtrooper and Brainstorm all handle icy conditions well too, IMO. If you seldom see icy conditions, then the Outersapace Living, Process Flying V and Ride Wildlife are also good options.
Thanks Nate! You remind me that indeed I’m not going to park, but I did learn riding switch recently. I also plan to learn ollie and butter next. Does it make a difference for my board selecting?
Hi Arnold
The aforementioned boards are all boards you can learn to ollie and butter with, IMO. They’re versatile enough that they should be fine for that – and ride switch pretty well too. The Typo is the easiest to butter of those mentioned, IMO, but the rest are still pretty easy to butter. So I don’t think you need to go to the freestyle options, unless switch, buttering and ollies is going to be the main thing you’ll be doing.
Hey Nate,
Awesome review! I was wondering what size board you’d recommend for me. I actually already ordered the board in a 155 because it was literally the only size left, but now i’m having doubts and thinking maybe a 156W or 158 would have been the better choice.
Im about 6 feet tall, weigh 175lbs, my boot size is a 10 (Thirty-two Lashed) and medium binding (Burton mission).
My previous board was a 155 Gnu Headspace and prior to that was a 158 Capita DOA. I prefer the smaller size board, because it feels more nimble. That being said I live out East and mostly ride the groomers and don’t do much park riding. Please let me know your thoughts!
Thanks.
Hi Jon
Thanks for your message.
I have pretty much the same specs as you (and was actually a little heavier when I rode this board – 185lbs) and I enjoyed the 155. The 158 is the pure size for you though, IMO. However, the 155 could work depending on how you like to ride. You say you don’t do much freestyle and mostly ride groomers. Can you elaborate a little on how you ride. i.e. do you like to bomb? see much powder? ride trees at all? do you typically ride a smaller resort or a bigger one? side hits at all? Butters/presses at all?
Also, if you could let me know your rough ability level.
I’m leaning towards the 155, just because you describe you say you prefer a more nimble board, so it sounds like you value agility over speed/stability at speed. But if you could let me know more about your riding, that would be great.
Hello,
Thanks for all your reviews, it helps so much!
I’m 180lbs (82kg) and 6.1ft (186cm), I got the Nidecker Triton shoes in 27.5 Mondo.
Im planning on getting Flow bindings, choosing between Fuse and NX2. Which you would recommend with this board?
My local store has Typo only in 158 size, do you think it wont be too long? I’m intermediate mostly riding in resorts, learning curving, want to learn butters and stuff.
Also I was looking at Rome Freaker, Nidecker Merc and Yes Standard.
Thank you!
Hi Jul
Thanks for your message.
I think 158 is spot on for your specs and what you’re describing. I would put you at around 160/161 as your “standard all-mountain” size. Taking into account an intermediate level and wanting to learn stuff like butters, coming down to 158 is just right, IMO. I think it should be a great size for you.
I haven’t ridden flow bindings in a while (but have the NX-2 Team and Fenix-Plus sitting next to me right now and looking forward to getting reacquainted!) but based on specs, I think the Fuse would be the better match to the Typo. The NX-2 too stiff for the Typo and intermediate level and if you’re looking to learn butters, IMO. The NX2-TM would be more doable (a little softer than the NX2) but I’d still be leaning Fuse – still a better match to the Typo.
Hope this helps
Hello Nate,
Thanks so much for your reply! I jumped the train a bit as we are leaving soon for skiing holidays and ordered 161 with Fuse hybrid. Didn’t see the reply before ordering, but hope it works out well 🙂 Guy at our local store was certain that 158 is too small for me, but I think he is way too biased on only height.
Thanks for all the help!
Hi Jul
Yeah a lot of people still go mainly off height, even though it’s pretty old school. I guess it’s the fastest/easiest way to do it, even if not the most accurate. Whilst I would be leaning 158, 161 isn’t a long way off, and I think as a more advanced size it’s actually really good. Given the Typo is a fairly easy going board, hopefully you’ll be fine in that size. The Fuse a good match (on paper), so I’m glad you went with them over the NX2. Would be interested to hear how you get on, if you think of it at the time, after you’ve had a chance to ride it.
Will do! Leaving in a few days 🙂
Trying to set it up now, struggling a bit with getting it comfortable. I did not think about reference stance and it seems like for me narrower is more comfortable, which I made ~54.5 cm wide since flow binding disc allows for offsetting. But in Typo parameters they say minimum reference stance width is 55.7 for 161. Not sure if this will have impact on performance?
Also trying to fit bindings with shoes, I thought it would work immediately since I bought Nidecker boots. But the heel cup wants to lift however I try to set it up. Or is a few milimeters of lift ok?
Not certain about the forward lean also, do you know if lowest forward lean for flow fusion is 5 degrees? It seems like my Triton boots have the same.
Hi Jul
Being that far off reference stance will change the feel of the board. You’ll be on a different part of the sidecut, different part of the camber and you’re going to have more of your effective edge past where your bindings are than normal. So the feel will be different. But that doesn’t necessarily mean it will be a poor experience, just different. Typically I try to stay within a certain distance from reference stance, but I would go with the most comfortable stance width first and foremost. I am comfortable anywhere from 54cm to 58cm, so I’m usually good on most boards in my size.
I haven’t ridden Flow bindings in a while, so I’m not sure I can help much with the heel cup. Just to clarify, you mean the heel of the boot lifts up as you are snapping the highback into place? Or do you mean that the heel of your boot is able to lift when fully locked into the bindings? If it’s the later, the boot shouldn’t be able to move around inside the bindings like that. If it’s the former, I’m just playing around with the Flows I have with me now (NX2-TM Fusion) and I get that issue – boot lifts up when trying to lock in, when I do it without my foot in. But once I put my foot in and have the weight of my body on it, I don’t have that problem. If it’s that the boot is moving around inside the binding, I’m note sure how to fix that, bar tightening things up. I’m not getting that problem with mine. Unless the size is wrong?
In terms of forward lean, it looks like the NX2-TM on it’s lowest setting for foward lean looks like zero lean to me. Not sure if it differs between their bindings.
Hi Nate,
This website is the best source for educating oneself on snowboard gear — thank you for all this information. I’m 47 years old and have taken an 8 year hiatus from snowboarding, and prior to that I consistently went 12 times per season for 10 years. I consider myself an intermediate rider doing blues and blacks, some trees, powder, and small jumps. All in-bounds resort riding.
Now that my kids (age 6 and 8) are into skiing, I’m back riding with them almost every weekend now at a resort in BC, Canada.
I’ve read many of these board reviews and have narrowed my list to 3 boards (and open to other ideas). I am looking at a board to ride all over the mountain, the trees, some hits, and I want to learn to ride switch on the greens and blues, while cruising with the kids. I don’t plan on doing any park riding, but who knows. I’ve narrowed it down to the Yes Typo, and Capita Outerspace Living, and a 3rd one (not on your site), the new Ride Zero 159, which is their Machete replacement.
My specs are: 6’0″, weight fluctuates between 195 and 205 lbs, boots are size 10.5. Bindings are usually set to +12/-12 or +15/-15 (I’m still playing around with that) Is the Typo 158 too small? is the 161 a better option, or is the 159W the way to go? The Typo seems to have a narrow width on all sizes. For OSL seems more straightforward, the 160 I think should work for my boots and weight, but and would the 158 be too small for me.
My current board is old! It’s a 2003 or 2004 Ride Exile 160, with Burton Mission bindings.
Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you!
Hi Mike
Thanks for your message.
For what you’re describing, I think both the Typo and Outerspace Living (OSL) would work well. The Zero possibly too. I haven’t ridden the Zero, but did ride the Machete and thought it was pretty good, but didn’t like it as much as the Typo or OSL.
Size-wise for the Typo, I think the 158 would be borderline too small. Length-wise, I think 158 is doable for your specs, based on how you describe your riding, but it’s borderline too narrow. The 161 is borderline too narrow for 10.5s as well. With +15/-15 or similar angles, they could be doable for sure – depending on how low profile your boots are and how deep you like to carve. If you’re after something that’s quick edge to edge and quite playful and not necessarily awesome for bombing at high speed, and you’re not really getting deep in your carves, then I think the 158 could work. If you want a little more in terms of stability at speed, but still not getting super deep in your carves, then 161. If you do want to really lay deep carves, then I’d go to the 159W. It’s not overly wide for a wide board, so it’s still in a good range for 10.5s, IMO, albeit at the wider end of a good range. What boots are you riding?
Size-wise for the OSL, I would be leaning 160 – and it should be fine width-wise. The 158 is doable, especially if you want to keep things more nimble/playful. But again, it would be borderline width-wise. Not quite as narrow as the 158 Typo, but still close to the limit for 10.5s. Again, if you have lower profile boots and aren’t carving particularly deep, then it’s certainly doable.
For the Zero, I think the 159 would be your best bet.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thank you for the quick reply!
I’ll be using Burton Photon 10.5 boots with this setup. Given that information, what is the optimal waist width for a board to cruise blue/black runs and not lay down super aggressive carves?
I summarized the waist widths below, and I see what you mean about the Typo 159W being a bit wide. The OSL 160 might give me everything I need, including the forgiveness with learning to ride switch and other minor tricks while cruising groomers. The Ride Zero caught my eye, as it supposedly is a bit more damp than the others when going at higher speed. If the Zero is similar to Machete, did you find the Machete to be something to learn switch on (assuming it was a twin)? Or would OSL be a much easier board to mess around trying some tricks out?
Looking at the spec sheets, the:
– Ride Zero 159 has a waist of 25.8
– Yes Typo 159W has a 26.1
– OSL 160 has 25.6 and the 158 has 25.3
One last question about all this is binding recommendation. Would the Burton Cartel be suitable on these softer boards, given my weight? I was looking at that and Union Force, but prefer the easier ratchets with the Cartel.
Thanks for all your help!
Hi Mike
Firstly, I think the Cartel would work well on any of these options. I probably wouldn’t go stiffer than Cartel (or Force, which I feel at a similar flex) for the Typo, but the Cartel would be all good, IMO.
In terms of an optimal width, it kind of depends on binding angles, but given you have Photon’s (which are low profile) and aren’t going to be doing any super aggressive carves, I think something around 265mm at the inserts (which translates to different widths at he waist, depending on the board) would be ideal. But I think you could get away with a little narrower. Something in the 263-268 (at the inserts) would be good, IMO. Of the boards you’re looking at, I would estimate width at inserts being:
– Typo 158: 261mm
– Typo 161: 262mm
– Typo 159W: 269mm
– OSL 158: 264mm
– OSL 160: 267mm
– Zero 159: 268mm (more of a guess as I haven’t measured the zero, but I did measure the Machete – but that was a narrower waisted board)
Note as well, that these numbers are based on 560mm (22″) stance width for all these boards. If your stance is wider, then the width will be a little wider and if your stance is narrower the width will be a little narrower.
Note also that waist width itself does affect how nimble a board is, as well as the width at inserts – with a narrower waist tending to give a more nimble feel.
The Machete did feel a bit more damp at speed, but also a little more effort to ride. Good for riding switch, but because it’s that little harder to ride in general, it does make it a little harder to learn switch as well. Can’t say if the Zero would translate the same, but I’m guessing it would be similar.
Thanks for all your help Nate, you steered me away from making a bad purchase! I’m going to settle on the Outerspace Living 160, with Cartel (regular Cartel, not the X) bindings, size Medium. I read that the Burton 10.5 boot can fit a Medium or Large Burton binding, so I opted for the Medium, hopefully it all works out!
Cheers,
Mike
You’re very welcome Mike. Yeah, you should be all good with a Burton 10.5 in the medium. I’ve ridden Burton 10.5s in Medium without issue before. And yeah Cartel rather than Cartel X is best match for the board. Hope the new setup treats you well.
Hi Nate! I just picked up a Typo and wondering your thoughts on Union Force bindings? Strata’s seem to be recommended often in the comments, but haven’t seen much mention/love for the Forces. That new fluor yellow is calling my name. Do you have any objections to the Force bindings with this board as a jack-of-all-trades rig?
Hi Rob
Thanks for your message.
No objections to the Force on the Typo. I think it would be a good match. The Force are solid dependable bindings for a really good price for what you get. I do prefer the Strata personally, because I like the extra board feel – and prefer the response feel, but the Force should work well with the Typo, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate! SP has been a great resource for me.
You’re very welcome Rob. Glad we’ve been able to help
Hi Nate! I’m looking to get my son a board for this season – he is a the lowest intermediate, or the highest beginner – 5-6 seasons of 6-10 days a tear on Burton Choppers. Likes riding the resort groomers in icy PA, with a trip to Okemo in VT planned. Was able to do the blue runs at Okemo a couple years ago, but we mostly ride PA. Missed last season with a broken wrist, and outgrew all his gear. He’s 15 years old, small guy 5’5″ 104 lbs. Boot size 8.5 Burton Moto. I was looking at the Burton Instigator 145cm, vs the Typo at 149cm. If there were a Typo 146, I’d buy it and be done. Since he’s missed a year, I’m not sure about the 149cm. He isn’t a park guy, but will do the smallest bump/jumps and big flat wide baby boxes. Really likes to ride the groomers 98% of the time. He was getting quicker on his 125cm chopper 2 years ago. He’s not an aggressive carving rider, but would like to be able to keep up with his intermediate skiing friends on the trails they aren’t waiting for him too long at the lift line haha. Anyway, East coast ice hold and fun riding the groomers are the top priorities. Is the Typo 149 too long for this year?
Hi Dan
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, I think the 149 is just a bit too big at this stage. I definitely get the growing into the board and not wanting something that will get too small too quick, given he’s likely still growing? But I think 149 would be going a little too far. But if you wanted a similar board, the YES Basic comes in a 146 and a 143. I think the 143 would be the ideal for him for right now, but the 146 is doable, if you want to get something he can have even after he’s added some weight and/or height and/or boot size.
But yeah, I would be leaning either Instigator 145 or Basic in the 143 or 146. The Typo 149, IMO, stretching it a bit too far.
Hope this helps
Thanks Nick, I’ll prob stick with the 145 Instigator I can get in a week and see how it goes. They said the 8.5 boot can fit on it, so even if I have to sell it to move up to the Typo down the road, it’ll still be better than renting. Can’t seem to snag the basic in the small sizes at the moment, just the 149cm. Thanks
You’re very welcome Dan. Hope the 145 Instigator works out well for him.
I meant thanks, “Nate!” I was talking-to my bud Nick while I was on the computer, sorry bout that!
All good Dan! I figured it was a Typo.
Hey Nate – you were spot on, Instigator has been great for him so far. Progression is still happening right where he left off, and then some already. Definitely a good call, even if he goes up in another season or two.
Hi Dan
Glad to hear it. Thanks for the update. Appreciate it.
Hey Nate,
Long time reader as most your review fit my profile perfectly as far as height, weight, boot size, and stance.
I am looking at getting a new board this year as I am transitioning into intermediate. Im looking to upgrade from a Ride Agenda (158). Improvements I am looking for is just more stability, better edge hold, and maybe some more dampening. I basically ride groomers but I do plan on getting into the trees this years and doing more ground tricks. Top speed isn’t my top priority. I also do all my riding in Colorado. I am looking into the YES typo and like what I see. My other choice is the Outerspace living or Salomon Assassin. I will also probably move down a size to a 156ish based on your recent reviews. Whats your thoughts? Any other recommendations? Board will paired with Union Strata bindings and Salomon Dialogue boots.
Cheers,
Mike
Hi Mike
I think the Typo and Outerspace Living would both both be a really good step up from the Agenda. As would the Assassin, but the Assassin represents, IMO, a little bit more of a step up, but if you’re already intermediate it should be fine.
If you’re the same specs as me, you could certainly go 155 Typo, 156 OSL, 156 Assassin. But the 158 Typo and OSL and 159 Assassin would also be appropriate if you’re a more intermediate level. That said, given that you’re not looking to prioritize speed and you want to do trees and tricks more this season, I think the 155/156 sizes should work well.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
seems my previous message is missing, so I have to post it again :p
I’m 5’11” around 150-155 with boots size 8. I do carving and freestyle tricks when I ride and I would like to get a typo since my old board just cracked a few days ago. Normally, I would go for size around 155 but there are only 152 in the local store now. Do you think I can get that or maybe you would suggest waiting for 155? I would also be willing to consider other boards if you have anything in your mind.
Sincerely
Kevin
Hi Kevin
Thanks for your messages.
I think 152 is doable, given your boot size. But I would probably be leaning 155 still. 152 would be a good one for tricks and if you were predominantly riding freestyle, I think it would work well. But would be sacrificing stability at speed and for bigger carves.
If you decide that you don’t want the 152 and don’t want to wait for the 155, let me know and I’d be happy to suggest alternatives.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for your reply. And here is my plan.
Since I have just got a new 156 assassin pro 2021 from my friend, I think I will go for a 152 YES typo for now. I recognize myself as an intermediate level 5~6 rider, so I think it should be great to practice and polish my skill with 152 typo. Once I progress to the advanced level, I can then use assassin pro if I wanna be aggressive. Does it sound reasonable?
Sincerely
Kevin
Hi Kevin
That sounds like a solid plan to me! And then with both in the quiver, you can always use the 152 Typo as your playful/freestyle board, even when you’re more advanced and riding the Assassin Pro for all-mountain. Or end up selling the Typo, but doing it that way gives you options, and sets up a good progression plan.
Hi Nate,
I’m 5’10” around 150-155 pounds with size 8 boots. I am thinking about getting a new board since my old board cracked a few days ago. I would usually do carving and some freestyle tricks when I ride, so typo seems to be a solid board for all kinds of situations.
I would usually ride a board between 155 but there is only 152 typo in the local shop. In your opinion, can I take this size? Maybe I should wait for the 155 or take a look at other similar boards? any suggestion?
Sincerely
Hey Nate,
Looking at getting the YES typo and im kind of torn between a 156W or a 158. Im 6ft, 170-180lbs, with a boot sized 10.5. I used to board alot and took a few years off, just got back into it last year borrowing my brothers board. I would mainly be riding groomed hills, powder would be nice when we get some and i want to get back into screwing around on the park a bit as well. Any suggestion on size?
Thanks
Hi Jared
Thanks for your message. And apologies for my slower than usual response – busy time of year with family and Christmas.
I think 158 would be the better length, but pushing it a bit in terms of width. Might be doable, but would be borderline. If you have low profile boots, ride with +15/-15 binding angles (or similar) and don’t do any super deep carves, then you’d likely get away with it. Otherwise, the 156W is a safer bet. The length works too, particularly with it being wider. For 10.5s, it’s still not super wide or anything though, so you wouldn’t be going ultra wide, so I think it’s a good width for 10.5s.
So yeah, long story short, I think the 156W would be your best bet, unless you think you could get on the 158 width-wise (based on the things mentioned above).
Hope this helps
No worries thanks for letting me know! I’ll probably go with the 156W in that case so i can get away with those deeper carves, thanks for the advice, and hope you had a great Christmas 🤟
You’re very welcome Jared. Had an awesome Christmas, and the vacation included snowboarding so can’t complain! Happy riding!
Hey Nate, how’s it going? I just wanted to say thank you for making this review, you are part of the reason that I purchased this board!
I was wondering if you could help me out because I’m worried that I made a mistake; I purchased the 152 cm YES Typo but I think I might’ve gotten too small of a board. What do you think? For reference I am a 5′ 11′ male that weighs 138 pounds. I wear a size 8.5 boot and I mostly ride at the resort with little to no park action. I would consider myself an advancing beginner while barely entering the intermediate skill range. Thank you
Sorry I just realized I messaged you twice lol
Hey Robert
Thanks for your message. All good for the double message.
For your specs, I would put you on a 154 as a “standard all-mountain” length. But that’s assuming a relatively advanced level and also assuming that the width was perfect for you. Given that the board is marginally wide (not super wide, but just on the wide side for your boots) and your ability level, I think 152 was the right way to go.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate, thanks for getting back to me! This definitely has me feeling better haha, I was stressing over if I made a mistake or not but this helps put it into perspective. I think the smaller size will help me learn how to control my board better and build up my skill set for a while (especially with my small feet lol). Thanks again, cheers and merry Christmas
You’re very welcome Robert.
Hope you had an awesome Christmas too!
Hey Nate, how’s it going? I was wondering if you could help me out with some advice because I’m driving myself nuts! Lol
So I recently just purchased the 152 cm Typo but I’m worried that it might be too small for my needs. I’m a 5’ 11’ male, weighing about 138 pounds with a size 8.5 boot. I mostly ride at the resort and don’t do much of any park. Do you think this was the right choice or should I have gone for the 155 cm because of my preferred style? Thanks
Hi Nate, trying to decide between bindings with my 158 Yes Typo (latest model). Looking for something responsive so I’ve looked into the following: Union Flite Pro, Union Contact Pro or Burton Cartel X Re:flex. Any direction on which would work? Leaning toward the Cartel X Re:flex, but I’m afraid that they will be too stiff.
Hi KC
Thanks for your message.
I think the Contact Pro would be the best match of those 3. The Flite Pro maybe a little too soft and the Cartel X, as you suspected, a little too stiff, IMO. But since you’re looking for something responsive, you could go a little stiffer than the Contact Pro. Something like the Union Strata, Burton Malavita, Genesis or Cartel (non-x) from those brands would work well, IMO. The Cartel X might work, but they also have the potential to over power the board a little bit.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate! Thanks for such an awesome resource for sorting thru all the choices with shopping for new gear. I’m looking to purchase the Typo for the upcoming season but am a little concerned that I’m right in between the 159w and 163w sizes.
-lower intermediate
-East coast so icy conditions
-small jumps, carving, some switch, definitely more freeriding-focused but nothing too aggressive. Don’t see myself in the park much.
-13 boot
-6’0 205 lbs
-12/-12 or 15/-15 bindings usually
Do you think the 159w is cutting it too close considering my weight and boot? The 163w seems like a really large board, and I’m going to be closer to 195lbs once the season starts.
For bindings, I’m between the Strata/Atlas or Malavita/Genesis. What do you like the most on the Typo?
Thanks for your help!
Hi Ray
Thanks for your message.
Assuming 195lbs and everything else you’re describing, I would be leaning 159W. My biggest concern with that sizing, is the width, but that concern doesn’t really change by going to the 163W. The Typo’s wide sizes aren’t super wide for wide boards, and with 13s, it’s borderline. Your binding angles help, but still quite narrow for 13s.
What boots do yo you ride? If they’re low profile that will help.
How deep do you carve? If you’re not that aggressive in your carves, then there’s less risk of boot drag.
For the Typo, I’d be leaning Genesis of those options. I think it’s the best flex match. The Strata and Malavita would definitely work too though. The Atlas is maybe a little too stiff for that board, IMO.
Hope this helps
That’s what I was afraid of! I have Salomon Dialogues that are a few years old, although I’m considering upgrading to something with a smaller footprint. Still working on my carves so I’m not getting super aggressive with them.
Also, I ended up as a level 5 last year but don’t ride a ton and will probably start at a 4 this season. Do you think moving up to the 159 or 162 YES Standard will be too much board for me or not wide enough? It seems to be a bit wider at the inserts than the Typo.
Others I’ve been considering are:
-Gnu RC
-Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker
-Lib Tech Skunk Ape
-Jones Mountain Twin
-Ride Algorythm
Definitely open to any other suggestions you have. I prioritize performance in icy conditions and a stable but still forgiving feel. The Typo seemed like the perfect combination of these, while letting me progress with my riding. But, of course the most important thing is to get the right size to avoid booting out. Really appreciate the response!
Hi Ray
The Standard is a step up for sure, but it’s still something that a solid intermediate rider shouldn’t have any problems with. It is a little wider at the inserts for sure. The 159 is likely around 276/277mm (assuming a stance width of around 22″ – a little wider with a wider stance width and a little narrower with a narrower stance width). The Typo, for reference, would be around 269mm (assuming the same stance width). So you get quite a bit more width on the Standard in the 159. Standard not as forgiving as the Typo, but it’s not unforgiving either.
For the others I would say:
-Gnu RC: close to or as forgiving as the Typo, but not quite as stable, but not super loose – and still really good in icy conditions
-Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker: Ditto the RC
-Lib Tech Skunk Ape: Haven’t ridden the Skunk Ape but based on specs, likely a similar feel to the 2 above. Though it looks to be a little stiffer than them, so maybe not quite as forgiving. But then has a camber profile with more rocker, so hard to say.
-Jones Mountain Twin: I’d say a little less forgiving than the Typo, but not by that much. Subtly more forgiving than the Standard – same in terms of stability. Not quite to the same level in icy conditions, IMO. But still good in those conditions.
-Ride Algorythm: Haven’t ridden, but based on other Ride boards and what I’ve heard, I suspect it wouldn’t be as forgiving as the likes of the Typo, RC, Terrain Wrecker, but not sure exactly where it would feel. Not sure about feel in icy conditions. Likely to have a stable feel thouhg.
And for reference in terms of width at inserts:
-Gnu RC: ~275mm (158W)
-Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker: ~274mm (161W)
-Lib Tech Skunk Ape: ?
-Jones Mountain Twin: ~274mm (159W)
-Ride Algorythm: ?
All assuming roughly a 22″ (560mm) stance width.
Hi Nate,
I am having trouble on deciding which size Typo (152 cm versus 155 cm) to get and I wanted to get your opinion before making my purchase. I am about 5’7 and currently weigh somewhere between 170-175 lbs with a boot size of Men’s US 9.5. My long term goal is to eventually get back down in weight perhaps somewhere around 160-165 lbs.
According to your Snowboarding Skill Levels article, I would place myself at the tail end of Beginner Level 4 (8 days of riding total) trying to break into the Intermediate tier.
So far, I have only stuck to riding groomed trails and haven’t really attempted park/freestyle riding yet but things like small jumps/boxes, side hits, buttering, and spins are things I want to try out and learn this season. I see myself spending a majority of my time riding groomers than in the park. Not sure if this info is relevant but I will be mainly riding on the West Coast (Big Bear and Mammoth).
I would love your opinion on which size Typo to get! Thank you for having such an informative website; I have learned so much from your reviews and reading your comments given to others. I appreciate any help you can give me.
Hi Vince
Thanks for your message and all the details. Firstly, I think the Typo is a great choice for what your describing and your level of riding.
Size-wise, I would go 155. I think it’s the best size for you right now, for sure. And if you do drop down to 160-165 lbs, it would still be appropriate. In fact, if that happens slowly as you become a more advanced ride, it kind of works out perfectly. You can afford to go longer as you become a more advanced rider. Right now I would say around 157/158 is a good advanced level size for you, but as a beginner, even a high-end beginner, 155 is the better size. At 160lbs, 155/156 would be a really good all-mountain size for you as an advanced rider, so I think that size is perfect.
Since you sound like you have a more freestyle focused style, going a little shorter is a good idea. But 152 would be going too short, IMO, unless you were going to be using it as a dedicated park/freestyle board. In which case, then it would be more appropriate.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate! I just bought a 2022 Yes Typo 159W. I am 5’11 about 190lbs and a US11 boot. I have been riding a 16/17 Capita DOA 161W with 16/17 Union T. Rice bindings for the last few years, but I wanted the Typo to have something a little less aggressive and more playful with more butterability. I am torn about what bindings to get. I have been looking at the Flux DS bindings and the Union Strata bindings. I am little worried about the 2.5 shock absorption rating of the Flux Ds, but I’m also worried about the stiffness of the Union Strata. Any advice you can lend would be greatly appreciated!
Hi Eric
Thanks for your message.
It’s pretty much the only downside of Flux bindings. How much that lack of shock absorption will affect you, will depend on a couple of things. a. if you’re doing a lot of jumps, it will affect you more. b. if you’re doing long days on the mountain it will effect you more, shorter days and you’ll notice it less and c. if you have boots with good shock absorption, then you’ll notice it less.
The Strata are a little stiffer than the DS, but they’re still in a good range for the Typo. But I get that you’re probably looking to get that bigger contrast to your DOA, so probably looking to go a little softer in your bindings?
I think the Contact Pro could work, if you’re looking at Union and looking to go softer (4/10), but also get that you’re maybe not looking to go that soft. But yeah, I think that 4/10 to 6/10 flex range would work with the Typo, but I’d probably be leaning more 5/10 to 6/10, particularly for your specs. The Strata will still be softer than the Union T.Rice.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Thank you so much for the quick response Nate! I do typically have long days on the mountain, but I just got new 2022 Vans Hi-Standard Pro boots which seem to have a decent amount of shock absorption, but I haven’t tested them out yet. Do you think those boots would offset the lack of shock absorption in the Flux DS enough if I decided to go with those? I was also looking at the K2 Lien AT bindings but they seem about the same stiffness as the Strata. Is that your opinion as well or are they a little less stiff that the Strata?
Hi Eric
The Vans Hi Standard Pro have good shock absorption, in my experience. 4/5 for shock absorption by me feel. Hard to say if the combo of those and the DS would be enough for you, as everyone is different in how it affects them. But the Hi-Standard Pro should certainly offset some of the lack of shock absorption in the DS.
Yeah, I rate the Lien At at the same stiffness as the Strata (6/10), so a little stiffer than the DS.
Hello Nate! Could you please help me to choose the size for Typo?
I am 195-210 lbs and 10.5 boot size Northwave Legends. I am buying Typo so I could practice switch, jumps, spins, track freestyle. No park for me. I love a bit aggressive ride, carving, moguls. My friends are skiers so powder is like a picnic, occasionally.
I just can not find information about should I go 159W or 161. I think 163W is a bit too much.
Hi Marko
Thanks for your message.
I think the 159W in this case is your best bet. The 161 is just pushing it being a bit narrow for 10.5s. It’s around 262mm at the inserts. You might get away with it, but it would be risking boot drag. With +15/-15 angles and low profile boots (not sure about Northwave as I don’t test them) and if you weren’t carving that aggressively, then maybe, but still some risk. It sounds like you’re more aggressive, so I think it would be too risky on the 161 in terms of width. The 159W isn’t super wide either – around 269mm at the inserts, which is in a good range for 10.5s, IMO. And I think the length works for what your describing/your specs.
The only thing to mention – the Typo would be great for practicing switch, jumps, spins and tricks etc, but just note that it’s not a super aggressive board – it’s more on the playful side.
Hope this helps
You have helped a lot! You have set the standard for communication with readers and providing help for us who need it! Thank you!
You’re very welcome Marko. Thanks for visiting!
Hi good fella!
I had to write again. I have bought Typo but the sentence you wrote about Typo not being an agressive board doesn’t want to live me alone. Can you please write some of your suggestions for a more suitable board for the style of riding I have tried to explain? As I have understood, it would be better for a board to be a bit more aggressive but still playful, so I could jump into research and be on a lookout for a suitable price. I haven’t ridden for couple of years now and this constant search for “the perfect” board is very interesting. I was thinking about Jones MT and Yes Standard (as almost everybody here) but if there are more, please feel free to add them.
I just wanted to add that going through your list, I am/was an intermediate 6.
Hi Marko
Yeah, I would say the MT and Standard are a little more aggressive than the Typo for sure. They’re still not super aggressive, but if you’re looking for something in that middle ground between aggressive and playful, they sit right in the middle, IMO (with the Standard being marginally more aggressive than the MT).
If you wanted to jump up to a little more aggressive, but still without going super aggressive and wanted something that was more freestyle oriented (a little better for switch etc) and weren’t too worried about powder performance, then I would look at something like the following:
– Lib Tech TRS C3
– GNU RC C3
– Niche Crux
I would call these 3 semi-aggressive.
Or just slightly less aggressive than those, but marginally more aggressive than the MT and Standard
– YES Greats
– Never Summer Proto Synthesis
These are all in my Top 10 All-Mountain Freestyle list but are the more aggressive of that list. I also have an aggressive all-mountain-freestyle list, but those are more seriously aggressive and maybe too aggressive/advanced for what you’re looking for.
Thank you very much Nate! I’ll take a look at everything you’ve proposed.
You’re very welcome Marko. If you think of it at the time, let me know what you go with and how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow.
Hello Nate!
First off, thank you so much for providing the help I needed when I was starting out last season. Your website is a great resource and I want you to know I truly appreciate it.
I have recently decided to buy my first snowboard, I am 5″11, 160lbs, wearing a size 11.5 salomon lo-fi. I am between beginner 4 and intermediate 5 in terms of skill.
I am thinking of getting the Yes Typo as I wanted a deck that I couldn’t find an all-mountain freestyle board that was suited for beginners. I love riding switch and I would prefer playful riding over speed.
My question is, would a 156W be good for my boot size? The board I used to practice in was a 159 Burton Ripcord and I was noticing I was catching an edge a lot, would the switch to a 156W Typo be a good choice?
John V
Hi John
Thanks for your message.
I think the Typo sounds perfect for what you’re describing. It’s a great board for your level of riding and it’s quite playful too. And good for riding switch.
In terms of sizing, I think the 156W is perfect. With 11.5 boots, you definitely want to go wide. If you were riding a regular width 159 Ripcord, you may have been getting boot drag, which may have been causing the edge catching. With 11.5s you should def be on a wide board. The 156W Typo isn’t super wide, but you should be good with 11.5s on it. But I wouldn’t go with anything longer – 11.5 is kind of the max for that board. I think 156 is a good length for your specs and how you describe your riding, so overall 156W I think works really well.
The only concern would be if you really like to rail your carves and you ride with back very straight back binding angles. Then it might still be too narrow. But given that it sounds like your ride switch a lot, I’m assuming you’re probably riding a duck stance (e.g. +15/-15) and given you like a more playful style, I’m assuming you’re not super aggressive in your carves? But correct me if I’m wrong on either of those things.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the extensive reviews. Just wondering if you could help me narrow down my next board?
I’m an beginner/intermediate rider. Probably want a board that can do it all but leans more towards freestyle. Should be good switch and a pretty good carver. I’ve narrowed it down to these.
Yes Greats
Yes Typo
Never Summer Proto Synthesis
Jones Mountain Twin
I’m about 5’10, 150lb with a size 7.5-8 US boot (my feet are small…). Open to any other board you might suggest.
Hi Kevin
Thanks for your message.
I think you pretty much just described the Typo to perfection! So that’s what I would be leaning towards. The rest would work, but are probably just that bit too advanced. I would go Mountain Twin next, if you didn’t go Typo, based on what you’re describing, but the Typo would be my first choice for you.
Size-wise, I would go 152 for the Typo. You could ride anything up to 155 with your height/weight at a more advanced level, but I would size down a little from that for a couple of reasons a. since you’re beginner/intermediate and b. because for your boot size, the 152 makes more sense. The 155 would be on the big side when taking into account length and width. Even if you didn’t want to size down for ability, I would still size to the 152 because of boot size.
If you’re looking for any sizing suggestions for any of the others let me know. But I think Typo 152 is a really good option for you.
Hope this helps
If I was to go with the Mountain Twin what would be the best sizing?
Hi Kevin
If you were to go Mountain Twin, I would go 151. Again, you’d be fine with 154 in terms of length, I would say, but the combination of length and width makes it a little bigger than ideal, IMO. I think the 151 would be a really good size for you for the MT.
Hi Nate,
First off, thanks for all the extensive reviews you do on just so much gear, as well as the advice you give BTL. It helps us lost souls like nothing else! (except maybe angrysnowboarder)
I’d call myself an upper beginner, started last season and went on maybe 20 days on various mountains. I’ve really liked park riding, trying jumps and butters and so on. But groomers are still the staple.
For all the talk of Japow, it was very often super hard compressed snow or just plain icy stuff here in Japan and I did not enjoy the powder I found.
Because of that, I’m leaning towards the Typo as my first new board purchase after my cheap, banged up secondhand boards – Burton custom (2006?) and Yes TDF (2013). Do you think the Typo works as a board for a person my level, hoping to use this board for a long time and for every purpose minus powder? I don’t have the money, space or inclination for a quiver.
I’m 1.73m and 63kg / 5ft8 and 139 pounds, US size 8. I considered Capita’s Asymulator 152 and Indoor Survival 150 because of their light weight (actually a big deal to me) and better availability here, but I’ve read that the grip is crap on hard/icy snow… I like the sound of the Jackpot too but its longer length and full camber for 2021-22 make me think twice. If I go with the Typo, is the 149 the right choice for this beginner park guy?
Hi Post
Thanks for your message.
For what you’re describing, I think the Typo is a really good choice. Size-wise, I think you could ride up to a 152 as an advanced rider, but in this case I would go 149, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, with US8 boots, the 152 is going to be on the wide side – even the 149 is wider than ideal, but sizing down a little bet helps. Secondly, given that you’re looking to get into park, I think that combined with the width, make the 149 the sweet spot for you.
I wouldn’t say the grip on hard/icy snow is crap on the Asymulator or Indoor Survival, but it’s not as good as it is on the Typo, IMO. The Jackpot is a wider board than the Typo. Even though the waist width suggests it’s very similar, it’s wider at the inserts than you would expect. For example, the 152 Jackpot is roughly 265mm at the inserts versus the Typo 152 which is roughly 258mm at the inserts, which does make a noticeable difference. So if you were to go Jackpot, I would say going shorter than 152 would work best, but with 152 being the shortest in that board, I think it’s too big. The YES Dicey is probably the better option for you anyway (like the Jackpot, but a little more mellow), but it has the same sizing issues.
So yeah, long story short, I think Typo 149 is a really good option for you.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the reply and that gives me more assurance on the Typo choice.
For the last question swimming around in my mind…You do sound pretty insistent on the 152s being too big. I don’t disagree with you, but does that mean I should also consider the Basic 146, or the (lightweight) Indoor Survival 150? The Typo is still at the forefront of my mind, tho
Hi Post
In the case of something like the Jackpot the 152 is certainly too big, IMO, because of the width in relation to your boot size, but for the Typo, the 152 isn’t way too big, IMO. I think it’s just slightly too big because of your interest in park. I think the 149 is the better overall size for you, taking everything into account. I think 146 in the Basic would be too small, though. If you were riding it as your dedicated park board, then you could do 146 as long as you had another longer board in your quiver.
The Indoor Survival 150 is a size that I think would definitely work for you. It’s a narrower board – and would work really well with your boot size, IMO. Just to note that the Indoor Survival is a less forgiving board than the Typo. It’s not super catchy, but it is a little catchy and not that forgiving if your technique is off. It can punish you a little if you skid your turns on it too much.
That’s that then, it’s the Typo for me. Thanks Nate and have a great day!
You’re very welcome. Hope it treats you well. Thanks for visiting!
Like an undying zombie I’m back again, this time because I can find a really good deal on a near mint 2019-2020 Yes Standard 151. Thoughts on that board for jumps and side hits, unlikely to go for many jibs? I saw you’ve written glowingly about the 2018-2019 model. Also I’ve been trying on a ton of boots before making an online order for a Ride 92, and I figured I’m more 8.5 than 8, whatever difference that makes.
I’m happy to wait/save just a few more months and shell out a bit more for a new Typo if you think this won’t work.
Hi Post
In my opinion the Standard will be a bit too big in the 151. It’s wider than the Typo and like I said before even the Typo in 152 is a little on the big side. The 151 Standard is overall a little bigger than the Typo 152. And even though it has the same waist width as the 149 Typo, it’s quite a bit wider at the inserts. I wouldn’t say it would be something you couldn’t ride or anything. It’s doable. But I think you would have a better time on something like the 149 Typo. The Standard is great for jumps and sidehits, but I just think in that size you would appreciate the Typo more.
Super. Thanks for all the replies and reasoning provided too – I did read about the waist widths on the Yes site but didn’t know they’d be so different at the inserts.
Much gratitude. Have a great day, Nate!
You’re very welcome Post. Happy to help.
Hi,
I’m currently debating between a Yes Typo or a Yes Basic board.
I’m a beginner/intermediate focused mostly on groomers/all mountain snowboarding in Australia/NZ (not much powder)
Current bindings are Burton Cartel
Hi Jack
Thanks for your message.
I would be leaning Typo since it’s a more versatile board and a little better for all-mountain riding – and since you’re bordering on intermediate. If you were more into riding the park and/or more beginner, less intermediate, then I would go Basic. But in this case I would go Typo.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate! I’m a low intermediate rider looking for a hybrid camber all mountain freestyle board that can help me progress in the park (mainly jumps & spins for now, less jibs), improve on carving, working on more speed. I also love riding powder. I’m currently renting a cheap mellow camber board in size 151: It’s working pretty well for me, except for the edge hold and bad dampening. https://www.snowboards.com/2B1-Showtime-Yellow-Snowboard/297369P,default,pd.html
I got my eye on the typo, DOA, and OSL, and I’m leaning towards Typo since it has a better edge hold. (I’m really struggling with my current rental board on hard packs & icy conditions)
The thing is I can not find Typo in size 149 anywhere. My specs are: 173cm (5’8”), 63kg (136lb), wearing a US womens 9.5 vans boots. Would the typo 152 be too long for me? My current board in 151 works fine for me, but I think I would like it a bit shorter for freestyle and maneuverability.
If you have other hybrid camber freestyle all-mountain boards that you think would fit me, please let me know as well! It’s really hard to find sizes at this time of the season, so I’m open to other options too. Thank you so much!!
Hi Sara
Thanks for your message.
I don’t think 152 is way off for you in terms of length, but given that you’re wanting to do a good bit of work on your freestyle game, I think the 149 would be the better length anyway. But the combination of length and width make it too overall too big, IMO. I think the Typo would be a good bet for what you’re describing, but I would only go for it in the 149. Some other options below. I have included both men’s and women’s options that I think would be suitable – wasn’t sure if you were only looking at men’s boards or open to both.
– Salomon Assassin 150
– Salomon Rumble Fish 148
– Salomon Craft 150
– Salomon Wonder 148
– Rossignol Frenemy
– YES Hello 149 (which is the closest women’s equivalent to the Typo)
– YES Emoticon 149 (a little softer flexing than the other options here, but would be a good option for what you’re describing, just not quite as good for speed, carving and powder but really good for progressing in the park and still not bad on the rest of the mountain)
That’s taking into account edge hold in icy conditions. The OSL 150 would certainly be on the list otherwise. The DOA is possibly a step too far for low intermediate, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate!
I got the Salomon assassin after reading your reply! It’s the just right step-up for me! It’s a bit heavier than my old rental board, but it only took a few runs to get used to.
What’s great about this board is that it punishes me for my mistakes but without being too unforgiving that I would just wipe out! My coach have been pointing out my weight leaning over my back leg and hip sticking out turning to toe edge, but I didn’t realize these bad habits on my old board because it’s too forgiving being a beginner board.
On the assassins, I could feel the ride getting unstable when my body position is off, and that tells me to adjust my weight! Getting immediate riding feedback from the board is really cool, almost like always having a coach with me.
It’s also a much more stable ride on uneven terrains! This board’s got much more dampening than my old one! I’m also getting so much more pop in ollies!!! Like I can feel the board helping me! The difference is just night and day! It’s a bit heavier so I’m having harder time in park jumps and spins, which might take sometime to get used to.
I just wanted to say thank you for recommending this board! It’s the just right upgrade from my old board, without going too much over my current abilities. It’s a perfect board I would be able to grow with!
Best,
Sara
Hi Sara
Thanks for the follow up. Love hearing what people choose and how they get on. Thanks for the insight and happy riding!
Hi Nate! This is Sara again, the assassin 150 board worked great for me, but since I left it in my home country, I now need to get a new board for this season:( I would say I’m more of an intermediate now, and looking for pretty much the same thing as my first post; hybrid camber all mountain freestyle, progress in park (jumps, less jibs), working on carving, good edge hold, enjoy powder when possible, medium stiffness.
I’ve noticed the assassin’s edge hold lacking a bit in icy conditions, (also could just be my lack of skill). I also will be snowboarding on the east coast a little bit this season.
In terms of weight and stiffness, I’m looking for something fairly similar to the assassin.
Some boards I’m considering are:
Yes the greats 149 (might be too stiff?)
Yes standard 149 (again, too stiff?)
Gnu riders choice 151.5 (the length could be a stretch, but since every brand is different, do you think it might work? Also a bit nervous about the rocker between foot)
Gnu ladies choice c3 148.5
Capita DOA (I’m not an aggressive snowboarder, so not sure if it would be a good fit?)
My specs are: 173cm (5’8”), 63kg (136lb), wearing a US womens 9.5 vans boots.
Would love to hear your suggestions! Thanks again!
Hi Sara
Thanks for your message.
Glad to hear you’ve been enjoying your Assassin.
All the boards you’ve listed should give you a little better edge hold for icy conditions, IMO, except for the DOA.
Greats and Standard 149s, might be a little on the stiff side, and a little on the big side. I think length-wise, something around 150 is good, but both of those boards are wider than they look, when you’re just looking at the waist width. I think overall the size/flex would be just a bit more than you’d be looking for, from what you’re describing.
Between the Rider’s Choice 151.5 and Ladies Choice 148.5, I’d be leaning Ladies Choice 148.5. I think it’s the better size. It’s borderline too narrow for your boots. That would be the only concern. If you were riding with +15/-15 binding angles or similar (which is recommended for an asym board like the Ladies Choice), and with Vans boots, I think you’d get away with it width wise, though. The 151.5 Rider’s Choice, I think is too big – the combo of width and length overall too big, IMO.
The Typo 149 would work well, IMO. And given that you’re not that confident that you’ll like a Hybrid Rocker, like the Ladies Choice, then I think it’s a good option.
The YES Hello would also be a great option – similar to the Typo. The 149 again would be the best size, IMO. Like with the Ladies Choice it’s on the narrower side (with the Typo being on the wider side). But if you can get away with the narrower option, then I think you’ll like it. Again, if you ride something like +15/-15 angles, then I think you get away with it.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate! Thanks for your reply! (I can’t find the reply button for your last reply to me, so I’m replying here)
In terms of actual board width, would looking at tip and tail width a good gauge of how wide the board actually is?
I’m having second thoughts about yes typo, I heard it can be squiggly at speed?
I’m looking into more options as well, and love to hear your opinion on them:
Jones twin sister 149 (it has a waist width of 244, which I think could work, I saw that it was in your all mountain ranking, do you think it could be a good freestyle board as well? Would the flex be similar to assain?
Gnu pro choice 149/151.5 (it has mild rocker underneath as opposed to full rocker on the ladies choice, which is more similar to hybrid camber that I’m used to riding? I do ride +15/-15, but since it could be borderline too narrow, could I go up a size to 151.5? Since the tip/tail width is only 285? Seems to be a overall narrower board?)
Are both boards stiffer than assassin?
Both boards also seems to have a narrower (185&180) tip/tail width than assassin (191) does this make them faster on edge to edge transition?
Sorry about the long post, I also wanted to get your opinion on boot choice since I left my Vans encore og BOA 9.5 behind.
I’m choosing between Vans encore pro BOA 9.5 and ride hera 9.5
I don’t have any store near me where I can try in person. I did try a ride hera 8.5 last year and remembered it to be very nice, (just too small), so I think I would like them, just not sure if 9.5 would be the right size.
In terms of vans encore pro, I think it would be a safer choice and nice step up from encore og?
Is ride hera lighter and lower profile than vans? I think I would prefer something less bulky.
Thank you again!
Hi Sara
Tip and tail width can give some indication, but it’s not a super accurate way to predict width at inserts – but can help, in conjunction with waist width to get closer, but certainly not accurate. There are differing stance widths, sidecuts, edge tech etc, that can change what you’d expect the width at inserts to be, just basing on width at contact points and waist.
I think the Twin Sister would suit what you’re describing well. It’s a do-it-all board for sure. It’s a little less freestyle focused than the likes of the Assassin or Ladies Choice/Pro Choice, but it’s still on the All-mountain-freestyle side of the all-mountain scale (if that makes sense!). I think the 149 would work well for you – and the width should be all good in that size, IMO. The Twin Sister is wider at the inserts than you’d expect from the waist or the tip and tail width. Twin Sister is around 256mm at the front insert and 257mm at the back insert at the Twin Sister’s reference stance of 540mm (21.3″). If you ride at a narrower stance width than that you’d take off a couple of mm, but should still be wide enough for you, IMO. For reference:
– Assassin 150 (expected) width at inserts: 257mm, assuming a 22″ stance width, but I’m guessing your stance is a little narrower than that, so probably a little narrower, unless you’re riding with a 560mm (22″) stance.
Pro Choice is more camber dominant, but the Ladies Choice certainly isn’t full rocker. It’s also more camber than it is rocker, but it does have more rocker than the Pro Choice. Also, that rocker being situated between the feet does give for a different feel (slightly looser feeling). So if you’re not comfortable changing to a Hybrid Rocker, I definitely get it. I would say the camber profile on the Pro Choice is more similar to Hybrid Rocker, but still not quite the same. The rocker between the feet is still felt, so it gives a different feel – but that rocker is very subtle, so it feels more like a mostly camber board than a Hybrid Rocker. It’s more similar, but still not the same, to hybrid camber decks that are camber dominant with only small rocker sections (more camber dominant than the Hybrid Camber of something like the Assassin).
Pro Choice in the 148.5, you’re looking at 250mm at the inserts (based on a 530mm stance width). So it’s noticeably narrower than the Assassin 150 and Twin Sister 149. The 151.5 more like 252mm. With +15/-15 angles, I think you probably get away with the 148.5, so long as your boots aren’t too bulky. It’s on the narrower side for your boots, but certainly doable, IMO, just borderline. With an assumed boot length of roughly 29.5cm and width at inserts of 25cm, then total overhang (without taking binding angles into account) is around 4.5cm – around 2.25cm for toe and 2.25cm for heel, assuming perfect boot centering. That reduces with the angle on the bindings. Ideally, around 2cm of overhang, but in reality I’ve ridden with 2.5cm of overhang without issue.
I would say that the Twin Sister is a little stiffer than the Assassin, but the Pro Choice about the same. But all pretty similar.
Yeah safe bet is the Encore Pro, given that you know the Encore OG works for you. The Encore Pro is also a good match, IMO, to any of the boards you’re looking at too. But so to is the Hera. Given that you don’t know the fit of the Hera in your size, it’s safer to go Encore Pro. But in my experience Ride and Vans both fit me best in the same size (both 10s for me), so chances are pretty good that the 9.5 is the right boot for the Hera. If any different, it would be a 9 in the Hera, rather than 10, but most likely I’d say 9.5. Most Ride and Vans boots I’ve measured are very similar in terms of their low-profileness. Both more low profile than the average boot, but not the most low profile on the market. That’s in terms of length. I don’t typically measure how bulky they are in terms of how big they are around the ankle or how big they are vertically at the toe box.
Hope I covered everything!
Hi Nate! Thank you so much on the detailed reply! I saw a last year’s Ride Hera in 9 at a great price, and decided to take the chance. The size is perfect to my surprise! I think I’m more confident now about getting the Pro choice.
You said that the Pro choice would be more camber dominant than a hybrid camber like the assassin, does this mean it’s more aggressive? I saw that it was rated advanced to expert level on Evo, do you think it is too much for my level to handle as a low-mid intermediate? would it be catchy?
Hi Sara
That’s great!
I find with the men’s equivalent to the Pro Choice (RC C3), that it’s a little more aggressive than the Assassin, but it’s not super aggressive. And in terms of being catchy, I didn’t find it catchy. I found it a little less forgiving of skidded turns than the Rider’s Choice (men’s equivalent of the Ladies Choice) and a little more than the Assassin too, but not by much. I had Jade test the Pro Choice last winter too (still trying to find the time to get the review published, but there will be a specific for the Pro Choice soon). She didn’t fit it catchy at all. She’s what I would call a high-end intermediate rider.
So yeah, I would say it’s a little more aggressive than the Assassin, and a little less forgiving of skidded turns, but not super catchy or anything. Also, I think some of that difference will be a little bit less, given it’ll be slightly smaller, and narrower.
Hello Nate,
Ordered this board for next year. Can’t wait to try it out. It is, however, my first board purchase and wanted some more insight on bindings. To give you some perspective of my experience:
Going to be mostly doing East coast snowboarding: Do blues fine, adventured into blacks
Occasional trip out west expected: Stuck to greens, adventured into some blues. Took the first trip to learn to control myself on the sheer length of runs along with altitude.
One thing is I am still getting comfortable getting to higher speeds, so I was hoping you may be able to provide a bit of insight on bindings I should consider to put on this board to help gain confidence in that area. Should I consider softer bindings or do you think the suggestions from your all-mountain list will still work for me and keep me confident in my progression?
I don’t think I’ll find myself doing any park stuff, but side hits, butters and such are more my speed. A small list of what I’ve considered is below, but if you have any other suggestions for my skill level to really gain confidence to start becoming a faster snowboarder would be greatly appreciated!
Arbor Hemlock
Flux DS or even DSL
Union Contact Pro
Price is not really an issue, but is considered.
Appreciate all the time you put into your reviews. I used a lot of the information here to decide on the Yes Typo as my first purchase. Thank you very much!
Tristan
Hi Tristan
I wouldn’t go too soft, if you’re looking to build up to faster speeds, but at the same time, you don’t want to go too stiff at your level, so I think anything in that 5/10 to 6/10 flex range should work well (like in the top 5 all-mountain bindings list) and those are a good match to the board as well, IMO. The Hemlock, DSL and Contact Pro are certainly doable for the board and would work well for your level, the only questions is whether you’ll feel like you should have gone a little stiffer once you’re getting up to higher speeds.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate!
You’re very welcome Tristan!
Hello again Nate!
Just wanted to loop back and say I ended up with some Burton Missions. Though they aren’t on your all mountain list, I do believe the flex rating you provided in your freestyle review, and a great price lead me to snagging those and should be a great middle ground for my level.
I really like burton’s straps (especially the toe strap shape) and the amount of cushioning they have once I had them in hand.
Hi Tristan
Thanks for letting me know.
Good option, IMO. Fit the board and your level well – and if you got a good price, even better.
Hi Nate,
For some background, I am an advanced rider with probably 10+ years experience (89-99) who has enjoyed freestyle twins and all mountain boards for riding all types of terrain. When University started I basically stopped ridding regularly (out 5x over 20 years) during my outings I rode a friends early 2000’s Burton Cruizer… still riding it now.
This year, I picked up the sport again riding weekly on everything including groomers, back country and park. Although I have managed well riding the Cruizer… it is not an overly fun board to ride… it may also be a little dead but I can still get it to pop. This prompted me to begin the search for a new twig.
After an exhausting search I chose the Typo 156W (5’10”, 170Ibs, US11 K2 boots). Wanted something that was an all around board which was a bit softer and playful than a standard all mountain board. I have my hesitations with the decision but hope this is cured when I get out next. I was also considering the Standard and DOA.
Now I am trying to match up bindings keeping in mind that this is an all mountain setup which will primarily take me on groomers 70%(enjoying natural features)
in addition to some park 30% (rails and jumps).
I brought home both the Union Contact Pro and Strata… am leaning a little more toward the Strata.
Would you have any advice or suggestions to support my board decision and binding choice?
Lots has changed over that last 20 years to catch up on and understand… fortunately I can still make some changes.
Thanks in advance for the advice and support.
Hi Ian
Thanks for your messages. I deleted the other one just for tidiness (all comments are approved before being published).
Firstly, given that you’re looking for a more playful all-mountain option – and that you’re going to keep your Cruizer for backcountry missions, I think the Typo will treat you well. It’s not a bomber – so really charging at high speed it is limited – will get some speed wobbles when really opening out, but otherwise I think it will suit what you’re describing well – and it can certainly handle a bit of speed.
I think both the Contact Pro and Strata work with the Typo. The Contact Pro is a more forgiving, more playful option – if you were mostly wanting to cruise and ride more playfully and ride a lot of park, I would go with it for the Typo. It works really well on boards up to around 5/10 flex. The Strata will give your board more life, more precision and response. You will be able to drive it a little harder. I wouldn’t go any stiffer than the Strata on the Typo, but I think the Strata will be a good option to make the Typo really lively.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the response and suggestions.
The information you provided was inline with my expectations for the Typo… something playful for all around the resort.
Expanding on the bindings a bit… It sounds like your suggestion favors the Contact Pro. I like the Contact Pro overall but hesitate with the soft underfoot padding compared to the Strata… would the Strata almost be too much for Typo?
I want to find a setup where the board will not be too lazy or over twitchy… the happy medium…
Thanks again,
Ian
Hi Ian
I don’t think the Strata would be too much for the Typo and not quite to the point of making it twitchy. I think if you were to step up to the Falcor, then it would be getting into twitchy territory, but I think you’d be fine on the Strata. I think it would come in just under twitchy, if that makes sense. I would say the Contact Pro is a closer flex match and I recently rode the Contact Pro 2022 with the Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker (which I would say is a similar flex to the Typo) and it went really well. So I think both would work, but both would certainly give a different feel.
Nate,
Thanks for the note.
Based your note, and a discussion I had with a local shop today the Contract Pro should be the best choice for my setup.
In the end… I have been riding a early 2000’s twig with the same vintage Burton FS bindings… everything will be way better.
I will try it out tomorrow and report back.
Cheers,
Ian
You’re very welcome Ian. Looking forward to hearing how you get on
Hi Nate,
Thanks again for all the advice and information. I am creating a reply to an earlier response from you due to the “Reply” button missing further in our conversation.
I had a chance to ride the Typo 2x last week. The first day was -15C and windy with crunchy snow over an icy base (groomed). It was also icy off groomed trails (rain earlier in the week). The second day was as sunny with -4C temperatures but still icy base but good snow.
What I am writing below is my take on the feeling of the 21 Typo with 21 Contact Pro binding… compared to my previous Burton Cruzer. At this point, I am not trying to make a review but simply put together my thoughts on the board/binding combo. I am trying to determine if the feeling is more associated with going to a 156W from a 155 or binding itself.
My thoughts on 21 Typo with 21 Contact Pro binding.
1. Notice a delay in edge to edge transition going to a 156W from 155 (feel my body doing a lot more work and more emphasis on my boots when maneuvering… i feel the boots being worked harder)
2. Board was super stable on setup for small to medium sized jumps
3. Super easy to maneuver, manipulate board in the air (Very light feeling)
4. Stable when landing jumps (small to medium, did not get on any large ones)
5. Definite tip flutter at high speeds but no hairy moments
6. Lots of fun at slow speeds, good turning, nose, tail presses are easy (buttering is good as well)
7. Rails were super easy, the board just hugged them
8. Micro movements did not translate through the binding into the board… everything had to be embellished or exaggerated to get the response i wanted…essentially all movements were a little lazy
9. Binding was great in the air, was able to tweak tricks easier
10. Landings were soft and easy (similar to 4. above)
I am going to try to Union Strata this week to see if they support in making up for some of the laziness introduced with the wider board.
My hope is the slightly stiffer binding may help the board react a little quicker to adjustments.
Overall, i am very happy with the Typo… exactly what i was looking for… but still struggling with the right binding choice for it.
Does this make sense at all? Do you think what i am feeling is more associated with a wide board rather than the binding itself?
Thanks for your input.
Ian
Hi Ian
Thanks for your insights.
I would say that it’s possibly partly both. What you’re describing does gel the difference I get between wider boards versus narrower boards, so that could certainly be a factor. But it’s also consistent with a less responsive binding. I suspect that it’s more to do with the extra width. However, I also think that having a stiffer/more responsive binding on there will mitigate that feeling, so it’s good that you have the chance to try the Strata on there, as I think that would certainly help with the feeling you’re getting from switching to the wider board. So, yeah to re-iterate, I think it’s probably mainly due to the wider board, but I think those issues will be, at least somewhat, mitigated through the use of more responsive bindings. Looking forward to hear what difference you notice with the Strata.
Hi Nate,
I am replying to an earlier comment due to a missing “reply” button.
Wanted to give you an update on the use of the Strata with the Typo.
The Strata’s definitely brought the board to life, it became much more responsive in all aspects of riding, mountain and snow conditions compared with the “Contact Pro”.
These binding helped me go from “liking” the Type to “LOVING” the type.
Thanks for all your support in helping guide the decision process.
Ian
Hi Ian
You’re very welcome. Thanks for the update – and really good to hear that the Strata are working so well for you with the Typo.
Hi Alex
Great review thanks.
I’m about to buy the typo after much debate between that, the standard and Capita Doa.
I’m just a bit unsure on what size to get. In your review you rode a 155, which made me question what I should get.
I currently weigh 176 lbs but I am aim to get to 187 lbs (not gonna happen over night), I’m 5’11 (180 cm) boot size between 10.5 – 11 US (most likely go with 10.5).
I do like to play around, ride switch occasionally, butter, hit kickers, ride through the pow if it’s there and inbetween go fast down the groomers. The sizes I am trying to decide between are 156 wide, 158, 159 wide.
What would you recommend?
Nate sorry, I wrote Alex by mistake 🙈
There is €100 difference in the price between 2020 158 and the 2021 156W 159W
Hi Mike
I think the 158 is borderline too narrow unfortunately. If you were riding in really low profile boots, had binding angles like +15/-15 or similar and weren’t really leaning too deep into your carves, then I think it would be doable, but I think you’d want to have all 3, to make it doable on the 158.
All good! 🙂
Hi Mike
Thanks for your message.
I would probably buy this in 158, if I was to buy it, but it was fun in the 155. For you, in 10s, I would say 158 too, but with 10.5s I think going wide makes sense.
Between the 156W and 159W, both are in range, but I think I would be leaning 156W, just because of how you describe your style, and certainly for your current weight. If you were 187lbs already, then I would be leaning more to 159W, so it’s a touch call.
Between the 2 sizes, here are some things to consider:
– The 156W will feel more playful, be easier to maneuver in tight spots, feel more buttery
– The 159W will be more stable at faster speeds and better pow float
So between the 2, I think it’s which you want to optimize a little more.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate, thanks for your reply. This helps tie up my decisions heaps!
The final call, it’s roughly the same price for the typo and the standard. I have decided if I go with the typo it will be the 156W and now I am debating the 156 standard. They both sound like great boards for what I am looking for. Which would you pick as my daily driver, one board quiver?
Looking for to making a the purchase.
Cheers
Mike
Hi Mike
I think 156 is the size for you for the Standard as well. Between the two boards, I would say it depends on what you want to optimize.
– The Typo will feel softer, more playful, more buttery and a little more maneuverable at slower speeds
– The Standard will feel a little stiffer, be more stable at speed and carve a little harder
Both pretty similar in powder, but I would give it to the Standard just. And if you use the slam back inserts on powder days, that gives you a little easier float in pow too. Standard isn’t hugely stiff and still butters pretty easily and certainly not a tank at slower speeds, but just compared to the Typo. And Typo isn’t ultra soft or anything either. But certainly noticeably softer than the Standard.
Hi Nate,
Cheers dude you’ve been super helpful. I’ve purchased the 156 standard, awaiting its arrival.
Which bindings would you recommend, Burton Cartel reflex or Union Atlas?
Cheers
Mike
Hi Michael
There’s not a wrong choice between those 2. I would probably just be leaning Union Atlas, but really both would be a very good match and can’t go wrong with either, IMO.
Nate,
I’m stuck between a 159W and a 163W and would like your thoughts. I’m 6ft, 215 pounds with a size 11 boot. I do a little bit of it all on the mountain. Thanks.
Hi Jason
Thanks for your message.
It’s a tight call between the two. I think it depends on your riding style in this case.
If you consider your style more on the aggressive side. Like bombing pretty hard, carving deep etc and you’re a fairly advanced rider, then I think 163W.
But if you’re not necessarily super aggressive, like to ride trees a fair bit, do a bit in the park etc and/or more of an intermediate level, then I think 159W. I think purely on length, the 159W is a little on the short side, but the combo of length and width with 11s, makes it doable, so long as you’re not a really aggressive rider.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hi nate i would really appreciate youre advice. I bought my first snowboard this year its a dc focus rocker 149 cm. I feel i could have something abit better. I am a begginer but i have my season pass and i go often i do some blue and black at times too. I would say i am proggresing quite fast. I am doin just resort riding at the moment nothing fancy. I want to hit side jumps and do abit a moderate speed and quick turn edge to edge and good control board but i dont carve yet and im not planning for it for now but maybe one day. I want a board that is good on ice since there is alot of icy days in quebec city. I am 5foot 4 125 pounds. I want a stable board at speed but at the same time not too heavy. I am 35 years old so wont get taller but maybe gain a few pound over the years so maybe 130 my boots are 8.5 and right now they overhang on the toe edge about half and inch. So my question i decided to go with the yes basic but i heasitate alot between the 146 or the 149. The 146 would fit my height weight if i follow online chart from various site. But i dont want my boots to overhang too much ? And the 149 would be more stable at speed ? Would you just keep my dc focus rocker for now or i would benifit and progress higher faster and better control on ice with the yes basic with the edge technology for icy conditions. Thanks alot cant waith for you anwser
Hi David
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the DC Focus, but from what I know of it, the Typo is a better board in hard/icy conditions. And I think the Typo would be fine for you, since it sounds like you’re a high end beginner. So, I think it would be a good bet for you right now. I think it’s a bit much for a complete beginner, but given what you’re describing, I think it would definitely work for you.
Half an inch overhang on the toe is fine, actually it’s ideal really, you wouldn’t want any less overhang than that. An ideal setup will have your bare feet going to the edges on the snowboard (to give you good leverage) or even slightly over the edges. That will mean boot overhang. But so long as that overhang isn’t too much that’s fine. You shouldn’t have any boot drag issues with up to 2cm of overhang, and if you’re not doing any hard carves, then you can get away with considerably more than that. So, if you’re only overhanging half an inch on the toe, you’ve got no issues there at all with the board being too narrow.
I don’t test DC boards, so I’m not sure what the width at the inserts would be on the Focus, but the Typo 149 will be well wide enough for 8.5s, IMO. I’d say it’s wider than the DC Focus overall, and you could go narrower than the DC Focus, if you needed to.
The Typo doesn’t come in a 146, otherwise, I would say that’s the better size, and would be well wide enough width-wise, IMO. The 149 is doable and would give you some extra stability at speed, but will also be less maneuverable at slower speeds and take more effort to pop off sidehits, etc.
Sorry just saw that you mentioned the Basic in your comment (my head went straight to Typo because of the review). Which does come in a 146 – so if you’re going Basic I would go 146, and wouldn’t be concerned about the width at all there. And has the same icy conditions benefits. Also slightly easier board to ride, but still a step up from the Focus, with the camber in the profile. But yeah, I think I would go 146 for your specs.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
As everybody else here i’m deciding on my newest board to buy, but it ain’t easy with all these sexy boards around! I’ve done a lot of research and i was able to narrow my list down to a few boards, mainly Yes as i’ve ridden a basic once and it just felt so nice to ride it.
A little info about myself. I’ve been snowboarding for over 10 years now, although fairly casual. I’m intermediate level and know how to lay a decent carve. I play around on groomers and side hits, but not so much into jibbing or doing park each day. Powder whenever we can, which is sadly not very often.
I’m 177 and around 72kg. Boots are 41 so a 8.5 i think? Last year i bought the Rome Crux bindings.
List currently is:
* Yes Typo
* Yes Standard
* Yes NSB
* Jones Mtn twin
What my main “needs” are is a playful board which makes it fun to go downhill with the boys and just mess about. It must be at least semi decent at carving as we do enjoy carving our way from top to bottom each few runs. Powder is fun of course and we’ll do it for sure when possible, but not that high prio as most often there isn’t many fresh pow and we’re on groomers/next to groomers most of the time.
Yes Standard seems really nice, but i’m wary about the width of the board and my small boots. Would this be solved if i go smaller, let’s say 153? or would this be too small to properly carve downhill?
Yes Typo just seems so much fun 🙂
Yes NSB seems to fit all of the above, but i can’t find much reviews about it.
Jones All Mtn looks very nice as well.
Was looking mainly at 158 sizes except for the Standard.
Any extra advice to push me in the right direction and size, would be much appreciated.
Love the website btw!
Hi Bert
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, I would probably say Standard, except for the sizing. I think the 156 would be getting too big in terms of length and width combined, for you specs, so I would say 153 if you did go Standard, but you may find the effective edge is getting a bit short for what you want. I don’t think the 153 is un-doable for your specs, but it’s a question mark.
The NSB isn’t a board I’ve ridden, so I couldn’t say for sure, but it looks to be stiffer than the others there on paper. Could work, but if you prefer to keep things more casual a lot of the time, you may not like that extra stiffness. Again, I don’t know how stiff it feels in reality (YES often, IMO, overstate their flex) but that would be the biggest thing to think about there, IMO.
The Typo would definitely work. It’s not quite as good on a carve as the Standard, but not far off either. And it’s the better option in terms of sizing, IMO. It’s narrower and would suit your boots better, IMO.
The Mountain Twin also a good option for what you’re describing. It’s not as wide as the Standard, but it’s a little wider than the Typo. Doesn’t look it from the waist width (254 vs 253 on the Typo), but it’s a good bit wider a t the inserts. For reference:
Typo 158: 261mm at inserts
MT 157: 267mm at inserts (more like 269mm at the reference stance – but reference is 600mm which I found too wide, and I’m guessing you would too? I rode it at a 560mm (22″) stance, so it’s a little narrower when you ride it there.
Standard 156: 270mm at inserts (roughly 264mm on the 153, I would say).
From what you’re describing, my instinct and given all the information, would be Typo.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hi Nate,
Thank you for the detailed responds. Yes Typo 158 it is!
Bought one from last season (19/20), because there doesn’t seem to be much difference in the models. It was a fair bit cheaper as well.
Kr,
Bert
You’re very welcome Bert.
As far as I can tell, there’s no change in the Typo from 19/20 to 20/21 (apart from the graphic), so good call on going past season!
If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you get a chance to get it on snow
Hi Nate,
Thanks for all the amazing information you provide! I am having a hard time choosing between the Typo and the OSL. I am a high end beginner who mainly just resort rides and carves around on groomers (no park). I am also wondering what size I should get I am 5’9” and 180 lbs with a size 9.5 foot US. Not sure if it matters but I only ride in Colorado. Any advice would be greatly appreciated since I cannot decide!
Hi Daniel
Thanks for your message.
You’re definitely looking at two very suitable boards for what you’re describing. Great options for the high end beginner that wants a board they can own for a long time. And I can definitely see why you’re having a hard time choosing. I don’t think there’s a bad choice between them.
Size-wise, I would say anything 155-157 would be the best size range to look at. So for the Outerspace Living and Typo it would be the 155 Typo and the 156 OSL. Both are really good sizes for you, IMO. Good length for your specs, and good width for your boot size. I was hoping the sizing would be a tie breaker, but both sizes should work really well!
If you were riding in icy conditions a lot, then I would lean towards the Typo, but I’m guessing you wouldn’t see too much icy snow in Colorado. There really isn’t a lot that separates these two boards, so I don’t think you can make a bad call, like I say.
I don’t usually say this (in fact I think this might be the first time), because it’s the very last thing I consider – but maybe choose the one with the graphic you like the most!
Thanks for the reply!
Yeh I was leaning towards the Typo at first since you talked about how maneuverable it was at low speeds and it does better in ice. But I don’t see hardly any ice and i like the graphic and size option of the OSL better! I am choosing between either the Flux DS and the Union Strata for bindings. Any preference between those for these boards? Thanks again for all the help!
Daniel
Hi Daniel
Again, you can’t go wrong with either of those – both bindings are a good match for both of those boards. The DS perhaps a more pure flex match, but nothing in it really, the Strata still a good flex match. DS potentially a little bit easier to ride on, in terms of ability level, but again very little in it. The Strata does have better shock absorption and board feel, which are things I value quite a bit, but both are more advantageous for freestyle riding, though still nice to have in general. The DS does have a little better ankle support though. Hopefully those things can help you choose.
Hi Nate,
I just purchased a Yes Typo 155 for next season. I’m looking to replace my old bindings as well, and after a ton of reading and current online availability I’ve narrowed my options down to the Burton Cartels or Union Atlas. Both are similar in price right now. I’m leaning towards the Atlas because of Union’s reputation for durability. My biggest question is, are the Atlas too stiff for the Typo? I’ve seen other comments where you recommend 5 or 6 stiffness bindings for the Typo, and the Atlas comes in at 6.5.
I’m an intermediate rider that just started getting comfortable going down blacks at the end of last season. I mostly stick to tree runs and groomers, hitting occasional small jumps but would like to get better on that front.
Hi Nick
Thanks for your message.
The Atlas isn’t far off. It’s just a little stiffer than optimal for the Typo, IMO, but certainly doable. I would be leaning towards Cartel, just because they’re just that fraction softer – and also because I think going just that little bit softer will help in terms of improving your jumps, and will certainly be fine everywhere else. The Atlas are more responsive – better for big carves and riding faster, but I think overall the Cartel are the slightly better match with the Typo and how you describe your riding. Both are certainly doable though and if you went Atlas it wouldn’t be a bad decision, IMO, but between them, I would be just slightly leaning towards the Cartel, in this case.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
I’d really like your opinion about the Typo. I’m a low-intermediate rider looking to progress. I’m quite confident carving down green and blue runs. I am starting to venture onto blacks and getting the hang of riding switch as well.
I’m 5’9ft, 150lb and a size 8.5 US boot.
Do you think the Typo would be a good option for me? I was thinking the 155 might suit me best. Also, would you have any recommendations for bindings that would pair well with this board?
Thanks!
Hi Ryan
Thanks for your message.
Yeah I think the Typo sounds just right for what you’re describing.
Size-wise, I would be debating between the 155 and 152. I think 155 is a good length for you, certainly as a more advanced rider. But sizing down a little can make sense if you’re still progressing through intermediate. The other reason I would consider the 152, is that the width would be better suited, with 8.5 boots, IMO.
In terms of bindings, I would look at something with around a 5/10 or 6/10 flex. Something from the following would be a good bet, IMO:
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I really apprechiate your great content! Keep up the good work! 🙂
I’m searching for an all-mountain board and consider buying the Typo, but I’m really struggling with deciding which size would be the best fit for me.
My “specs”:
Height: 190cm
Weight: 85kg
Shoe size: US 12 / EUR 45 (according to Burton Homepage)
Boots: Burton Ruler 2019
Binding: Union Atlas 2020
I would consider myself an intermediate level snowboarder.
Most of the time I ride on groomers, trying to improve my carving skills, doing small jumps, trying to improve riding switch and every now and then riding in powder.
I don’t plan to ride in the park/pipe.
Would you recommend the 163w over the 159w?
I feel that 163 could be too long. But on the other hand 159 could be a bit short.
Regarding waist width there is no big difference: 26.3mm vs 26.1mm
Do you think both versions are wide enough for US12 boots?
I also like the specs and your review of the Jones Mountain Twin. And it is available in 161w which would be the middle-ground size-wise. But with this board I would also have to sacrifice another 1 to 3 mm of waist width.
I’m very curious about your opinion.
Cheers,
Alex
Hi Alex
Thanks for your message.
I would say, as an advanced rider the 163W would be fine, but as an intermediate ideally a little shorter than that. I would say something around 159-161 – so that puts the 159W in range. I think it’s the shortest end of the range for you but definitely doable.
In terms of width, you should be OK width-wise on either size. Again it’s on the narrower end of the range, but should be fine.
The Mountain Twin has a greater difference between the waist width and the width at the inserts, so at the inserts it’s actually similar in width to the 163W Typo. For reference, these are the estimated width at inserts of the 3 options (numbers based on measuring a different size of each board).
– Typo 159W – 270mm at inserts
– Typo 163W – 272mm inserts
– Mountain Twin 161W – 273mm at back insert, 272mm at front insert
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Nate, I really appreaciate your detailed answer.
Thank you very much!
You’re very welcome Alex. Happy Riding!
Hey Nate
I recently posted on the Yes Standard comment section asking if you felt the 159 would be too wide for me (US size 10.5).
The next question is would the typo 158 be too narrow? It seems like size 10.5 boots wind up kind of being in this awkward middle ground for board width; boards are either almost too wide or almost too narrow always.
Thanks Again!
Hi Nate
Yeah Typo 158 is looking borderline too narrow for 10.5 Dialogue’s. The 2020 Dialogue is now actually more low profile, but anything before that has a pretty big profile, like you say.
For your specs, I would almost look at the 161 for the Typo, which would also give you a bit more leeway width-wise. Still probably risky in terms of being too narrow though but you might be able to squeeze it. Yeah 10.5 can be an awkward size, particularly without low profile boots. But as per my reply to your comment on the Standard review, I think that would work for you. The other option is going 159W Typo. It’s a wide, but it’s not an overly wide, wide board. For reference, the width at inserts predictions for each of those options would be (estimated based on measurements of different sizes of the boards):
– Standard 159: 275mm-276mm
– Typo 158: 261mm-262mm
– Typo 161: 262mm-263mm
– Typo 159W: 269mm-270mm
Hope this gives you more to go off
It does! your help is invaluable!
My dialogues are the 2020 model (they replaced my 2018’s on warranty). I haven’t really paid attention to the footprint but if they’re smaller do you think this would make a difference? (I’ll break out the ruler and see what they measure out at later)
Got home and measured my feet and boots. My left foot (rear foot) measured out at 274mm, my right (lead foot) measured out at 270mm, and my boots measured out at 315mm. So it looks like the typo 158 or 161 is out while the 159w is a possibility. I’ve been reading up on your waist width guide and trying to do my homework. My question is where does this leave me on the standard 159 if it’s with at the inserts is 275mm? It looks like with my boots 275mm would make sure I don’t have too much overhang with 20mm on each side. My left foot looks like it should be good as it would be under the 2mm underhang on heel and toes. The question is should I be worried that my right foot has a little more underhang? It looks like it’ll have 3-4mm of underhang instead of 2mm depending on the binding angle. I mean will I really notice a huge difference from 3-4mm underhang on my front foot?
Again thanks for your time, I’m probably really overthinking this.
Hi Nate
Hard to say how wide you will feel the Standard 159. Sounds like you have a very similar foot length to me. I really like the 156 in terms of width, but I haven’t ridden the 159 for comparison, but I suspect it would feel a little wide. I think the 159W Typo is the best option, in terms of size for you. My biggest concern with the 159 Standard is if it wouldn’t be quite quick enough edge-to-edge for you, given you ride trees.
Hi Nate,
I’m looking to buy the typo as a low-intermediate level rider. I weigh 140 lbs am 5’9.5” and ride size 9.5, and was wondering what size you would recommend
Thanks,
John
Hi John
Thanks for your message.
I would say the 152 is right on for you. You could’ve gone 149 as a beginner, but as a low-intermediate, I think the 152 would work best, and be the best in the longer run too.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate. Great info.
I’m on the hunt for my first snowboard (at 43 years old). Low intermediate level wanting to improve with most all mountainy things (carving, playing around with switch, spins, side hits, powder, buttering etc not pipe, and minimal park jumping.
I’m 205lbs (93kg) and almost 6ft (180cm) with a US 9.5 shoe.
I rented a 159 explorer last year in Japan and liked that but like the idea of riding switch more. Heading back soon and hoping to experience my first powdery-ness (went a bit late in the season last year and only got a dusting).
Boards I’m looking at are:-
– Jones Mountain Twin 160
– Yes Typo 161
– Salomon Assassin 162 (or maybe 159 if not too flexy with carving)
– Jones Frontier 162
– Capita Mercury 159 (but too expensive and none available here in Australia at the moment). There is a 157 but I think maybe too small if I come across some powdery days?
I’m not sure I’ve provided enough info for you to suggest a board (as I don’t exactly know what I want) but if you could, that’d be cool. Otherwise if you could suggest whether the sizing I’ve noted would be suitable in your opinion, that’d be appreciated.
Cheers
Hi Mart
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, size-wise, as an intermediate rider, I would say something 159-161 is a good bet. For the Frontier, you can go a little longer with that board, so I think 162 is appropriate there. For the Assassin I would be leaning towards the 159 for you, but if powder is more important to you than the likes of butters, side-hits, spins etc, then the 162 is doable.
In terms of appropriateness for low intermediate, I would say in this order:
– Typo
– Assassin
– Mountain Twin
– Frontier
– Mercury
All doable though.
For powder, I would say this order:
– Frontier (4/5)
– Mountain Twin/Mercury (3.5/5)
– Typo/Assassin (3/5)
For switch, butters, sidehits spins etc, I would say:
– Assassin
– Typo
– Mountain Twin
– Mercury/Frontier
Most aggressive (in terms of carving/speed) to most playful, I would say:
– Mercury/Frontier
– Mountain Twin
– Assassin
– Typo
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate. Yes very helpful.
Think I’ve decided on the Assassin (or the Typo – they sound pretty similar and going to be fine for me. Slightly stiffer Assassin and full sintered base sounds more appealing for speed and carving). The 159 suggestion for the Assassin sounds good to me as it’ll be easier to turn and play around with but, at 93kg, I’m outside the max weight range. As per your insert for the Assassin (max for 159 is 88kg and max for 162 is 95kg – I noticed on the Salomon website the max for 159 is 90 kg and the max for 162 is 105 kg). Maybe that’s with gear?
I’m wondering how much 5kg/3kg over will matter, with respect to riding? Jones always seem to suggest to stay within the recommended wts whenever they have been asked – suggesting the board won’t respond how it is supposed to if outside the range. Kinda makes sense but it kinda depends on how hard you’re riding and how quickly you stop or carve, as to how much force is put onto the board.
I noticed on the Yes warranty, the warranty is for life on defects (as opposed to the Salomon 2 year warranty) but riding a board outside (shorter than) the recommended wt range invalidates the warranty: invalidated for “Improper rider-board match (i.e. too much weight on a too short board).” Maybe they’re just covering themselves for extreme cases. Not sure if Salomon is the same. I’m sure people ride boards shorter than their recommended wt all the time though.
I seem to be an awkward weight where the suggested board for my weight is longer than I’d want for maneuverability.
I guess the above dribble crux is even though I’m happy with the 159 Assassin suggestion, I’m a bit worried about being outside the max weight range. How important is staying within the wt range? Any thoughts?
Cheers
Hi Mart
I take the weight range from brands into account, but I don’t give it too much importance. I typically end up riding towards the high end of the weight range for most sizes that I feel the best on and sometimes above that weight range. I do have a preference for riding slightly shorter, but generally I usually use weight recommendations as a tie breaker between sizes. Like if it’s a really tough choice between 2 sizes, then I usually recommend the one that best fits within the weight recommendations, but otherwise don’t put too much into it. Interesting that YES can void the warranty over that – I hadn’t of that before.
In terms of respect to riding, I would say that if you’re over or towards the high-end of the weight specs, then the board will feel a little more playful and softer flexing than it would for a lighter rider – or than it would compared to going the size up. Being on the higher end weight-wise makes the board easier to butter and pop on, but probably takes away a little bit in terms of stability at speed and float in powder. Things that generally the case when going smaller or large in your board.
So like I say the 162 is certainly an option, but not going to be as easy for butters, sidehits, spins etc, not as maneuverable feeling, but more stable at speed and better float in powder.
Thanks Nate
Detailed, informative, giving and patient as always. Much appreciated.
Cheers,
Mart
You’re very welcome Mart. Hope you have an awesome time in Japan!
Hi Nate,
I really enjoy your reviews and content. Keep up the great work!
I’d really like your opinion for the Typo. I’m a beginner to Intermediate rider looking to progress. I’m quite confident carving down groomed blue and black runs. I’ve done a few un-groomed and getting the hang of riding switch as well.
I’m 6ft, 185lb and a size 10 US boot.
Do you think the Typo would be a good option for me? I was thinking the 158 might suit me best. Also, would the Union Contact Pro’s be a good pairing for this board?
Thanks mate!
Hi Alex
Thanks for your message.
I would rate the Typo as one of the best high-end beginner to intermediate board options going around, so yeah I’d say a great choice for what you’re describing. You can see it feature in my Top 10 Intermediate boards list
The Contact Pros would certainly work with the Typo. I think it would be a good flex match, and in general they are nice bindings. I would say anything around 4/10 to 6/10 in terms of flex would be a good match. If you’re thinking more carving and off-groomer and not so much in terms of freestyle riding, then you could go a little stiffer than the Contact Pros (4/10 flex) but if you think you will also start to ride some freestyle, then the Contact Pros would be a great match. See also the following for more options, depending on the way you’re leaning:
>>Top 5 All Freestyle Bindings
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
Size-wise for the Typo, I would go 158 for your specs/what you’re describing. So I agree with you there.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for all the info. I really appreciate it. I think i probably would prefer carving and off groomer at this stage. I might have a look into the Malavita bindings as well to see which I prefer. They would be a step up in stiffness to the contact pros yeah? Like a 5-5.5/10?
Cheers Nate, thank you very much for your help 🙂
You’re very welcome Alex
Yeah the Malavitas are step up in stiffness for sure – and yeah I’d say around 5.5/10
Hey Nate,
Firstly just wanted to say love your reviews! They are the first ones I go to when I want to look something up! Always consistent and scored the same everytime to make an informed decision.
I’m set on the typo I’m just not set on size. I’m in the midwest and ride michigan/ontario and ride east coast (ny/vt) for trips.
I’m 6ft 1” tall, approx 240lbs and size 11 boots. I currently ride a gnu space case (2017) and I’m done with the park and want more carving/rip all over the mountain type board that can rip the trees and pow on the good snowy days!
I’m looking at the 159W and the 163W I thought of the 161 but it seems the waist width is too small for my boots and is around the same as what my space case is now and I get slight toe rubbing when i lean over. Will the 163W be too long for the area I ride in and be a huge diff from the 159 I got now? I mean from transitioning edge to edge and getting around in the trees? Obviously the length and width would do me favours in pow. Would just like hear your opinion. I love how the typo is great for edge hold and for the ice coast lol. 35 now and kinda getting over the park scene but been riding these shorter boards forever….time for a change!
Hi Andrew
Thanks for your message.
For your specs, I would be leaning towards the 163W. Being longer and wider than your current ride, it will take some adjustment for sure. And you’ll likely notice some decrease, at least until you get used to it in terms of maneuverability and trees. Like you say, definitely a big increase in terms of powder – but also in terms of stability at speed. If you’re really concerned about that maneuverability, the 159W is doable, mostly because you’re used to that size, but for your specs, I would go 163W. I wouldn’t even be considering the 159W if you were on bigger mountains, but being on the smaller mountains makes it a tougher choice. If you could fit on the 161 width-wise, then that might be the way to go, but if you’re getting toe drag on the Space Case 159, I would say that the Typo 161 would be risky for that too – it’s probably 2mm wider at the inserts, but that’s not giving you a lot extra. Long story short, I would go 163W, if I was in your position.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate, looking for a bit of advice on my next board. I am an intermediate rider. 5’7 175lbs US 9 shoe size. I enjoy taking a board all around a resort and through trees in the search of some pow stashes. Also enjoy having some fun off side hits and a couple laps through the park. After reading your reviews on the YES Typo and YES Standard I’m having difficulty deciding between the two. Also noting the boards are available in different sizing. Was looking at the 158 Typo and 156 standard. Cheers.
Hi Josh
Thanks for your message.
Between the 2, I would say that the Typo is faster edge-to-edge. The Standard is a little more dynamic and lively overall.
Size-wise, I would actually probably go one size down for both for you – 155 Typo and 153 Standard. You could certainly go 158/156, but I think the 155/153 would be what I would be weighing up if I had your specs. If you’re used to riding more like 158, then that’s something else to consider for sure, but just going off what you’re describing, I’d say 155/153.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hello Nate! First of all i want to thank you for your great and useful comments. Lets see if you can help me. I am 174cm, 80 kg, and 10 boot size. I am solid intermediate. I am trying to decide between the yes typo 158 or 159w and the Jones Frontier 159 or 158w. I ride mainly steep pistes (black or red ones), i never go to the parc and i like pow, but honestly we have 2 good days per season so this cannot be relevant in my decisión. I also see hard pack boarding icy more days than i’d like to. Which one you would recommend to me? Thanks s lot!!!
Hi Rubén
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, assuming that your size 10 boot is US10, then you shouldn’t need to go wide. If you mean UK10, then it’s borderline and I’d have to look at it more closely. But for now I’m assuming US10, in which case no need to go wide, so I’d say 158 for Typo and 159 for Frontier.
The Typo and Frontier are quite different boards. Some of the main differences in performance:
1. The Frontier is better at speed and a little better on an aggressive carve – and better in powder
2. The Typo is better for riding switch, more buttery and a little better for jumps, spins and jibs
The Typo is slightly better in hard/icy conditions too. The Frontier isn’t bad in that area either but I would say Typo 4.5/5 and Frontier 4/5 in that respect.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hi Nate!! Thanks a lot for your answer. The Frontier was gonna be my choice but i was a little bit worried due to the fact that its effective edge is shorter than average and this could affect to the stability at speed and to the edge hold. But for your comment i understand that i was wrong. So It will be the Frontier. Just one more question. Is the 159 ok for me? Thanks again!!
Hi Rubén
Yeah, I think the 159 would be the best size for you. Definitely wide enough for 10s (going 158W would be too wide, IMO). And in terms of length, I would say something around 159 for you for an all-mountain board, at an advanced level. At a solid intermediate level, I would say take 1-2cm off that. But because the Frontier does have less effective edge compared to overall length than a lot of boards, the 159 will feel a couple of centimeters shorter than it is anyway, so I think 159 is right on for you.
Thanks so much for your comments Nate!! They were really helpful!!!
You’re very welcome Rubén. Hope you have an awesome season!
I’m considering a Typo. I’m 80kg, 6’0″ and size 11.5 ThirtyTwo Grab Crabs. I’m a lower intermediate rider, prefer carving, no park yet. Would a 156W, 159 or 159W best best for me? I learnt in a K2 Illusion 159W.
Thanks
Hi Alex
Thanks for your message and apologies for the slow response – have been out testing a lot of gear the last few days.
I think the 159W would be your best bet, based on everything. The 156 would be borderline too short – especially if you’re not doing any park riding and you’re used to a 159. And the 159 is probably going to be too narrow. So, I would say go 159W for sure.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate, much appreciated!
You’re very welcome Alex. Hope you have an awesome rest of your season!
couple of questions… I just started my snowboard journey 2 seasons ago. I’m looking to graduate from my super soft Rome beginner board.
I want something more stable at higher speed, but still easy to butter since i just started learning fun moves. Is this the board for me?
also, 1’m 5’5 130lb, not sure if 149cm is still too long for me?
Thanks,
Hi L
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing I think this would work really well as your next board. Size-wise, however, I think the 149 is potentially just a little big. I would prefer to see you on a 146 of this board (if they had one). But if you can also let me know the size of your Rome – and also which model it is. Then I can make a more accurate recommendation. Also, what’s your boot size. If the 149 Typo is too long, which it probably is, there are other suitable boards, which I can look into for you, if you can also let me know that extra info. And one more thing – would you consider yourself a high-end beginner, low intermeidate, solid intermediate, advanced?
Thank you Nate! I think I’m a solid low intermediate. Im riding a Rome mechanics 150cm. It’s super super soft and makes higher speed very unstable. Will Yes Basic actually be better for me? (149/146)
On the side note, I tried my friends NS shaper twin and it was fun but somewhat challenging. I felt that I needed to do 120% correctly/accurately at EVERY turn to make it downhill. Probably the flex and cut is too difficult for me. I want to progress but want to avoid these kind of extra Frustration.
Thanks for your advice.
Hi L
Thanks for your message.
I think the Basic would give you a bit more stability vs the Mechanic. However, I think you would be fine with the Typo and that would give you another step up. I haven’t ridden the Shaper Twin, so I’m not sure how that compares in terms of flex – but based on specs, they look to be a fairly similar flex. However, the Shaper Twin is a wider board and, depending on boot/foot size, that could have contributed to making it more challenging to turn too. If you could let me know your boot size, that would really help – and if you could let me know the size of the Shaper Twin you rode.
Based on weight and height, I would say that the 149 would be doable for you for the Typo. You could even go a little shorter than that (if there was one). Of course with the Basic there is a shorter 146, but in that case you would be going a little softer, and since you want something that is going to be more stable at higher speeds, I would be reluctant to go that short, given that it’s softer. Still would say it’s going to be more stable than the Mechanic, however, if you go down to the 146, then the difference at speed might not be that noticeable. Hard to say for sure, but that would be the risk of that.
But yeah if you could let me know your boot size and the size of the Shaper Twin, that would really help in choosing which board and which size.
Hope this helps
Thanks you Nate for your thorough response. I wear men size 6.5 (24.5cm). The NS I rode before was a LT version 146cm. I felt my back foot and edge got stuck easily when making a heel side turn.
Thanks again for all the advice!
Hi L
Thanks for the extra info.
I think any of these options are going to be on the wider side. Which usually means that I would recommend sizing down a little. But since you found the 150 Mechanic unstable, I would be reluctant to size down too much (even though it will feel more unstable length-for-length vs the Typo – some of that extra stability would be lost by sizing down too much). So, the 149 is probably the most appropriate, IMO. And you’re probably used to that width, having the 150 Mechanic. Assuming you’ve been fine width-wise on that, then I would go 149.
If you did want something narrower, you could look into the Capita Outerspace Living 150 (242mm waist) – or look into some women’s board options, if you were comfortable with the idea of that.
Nate,
This is my first year riding, already have about 25 days under my belt. I currently ride a burton instigator and am looking to move up for next year. I’m just learning switch, want to learn jumps and also deep carving on the groomers. I snowboard about 3 nights a week and love it.
I’m seriously considering the 156w typo. I already have Burton custom bindings.
I am 5′ 10, 165 lbs, size 11 Burton boot, +15 -15 stance.
Do you think the 156w typo would be a good fit? Should I upgrade bindings or will the burton customs be fine? Thanks!
Hi Steve
Thanks for your message.
I think the Typo would be a great next step up from the Instigator. You’ll get more performance, in general and it will be better for riding switch and for jumps than the Instigator, IMO. Whilst being versatile enough to do a bit of everything. It’s also the kind of board that’s great for an intermediate level – not going to knock your confidence like going to a super advanced/aggressive board might.
Size-wise, the 156W would be the ideal size for you too, IMO.
I think you could keep riding the Customs on the Typo for a while. You’d get a bit more out of the Typo, going to a slightly more responsive binding, but if you’re looking to upgrade one thing at a time you could still ride the Typo with the Custom. If you’re looking to get the best out of it, check out the following for some good options. I would stick to around 5/10 in terms of flex, 6/10 max.
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Thank you for reviewing the board,
I am a low intermediate rider looking for a board to improve my turn initiation and ease into carving, I am leaning towards yes typo and wanted to know what your thoughts would be, also if you could recommend other boards that are worth looking at along with typo.
Regarding the sizing, If i do end up getting a typo what size would you recommend?
I am roughly 155-160 pounds, five ft 11 and have a stiff DC torsein boa 10.5 US. I can also crunch into a 10 ( which i think would be my go to size in future) and even 9.5.
Would you recommend getting a wider board ( difficult in turn initiation ) or a regular width board.
Thank you,
Tarun
Hi Tarun
Thanks for your message.
I think the Typo would be a good option for you from what you’re describing. If you were wanting to check out some other options, also check out:
>>Top 10 Intermediate Snowboards
Size-wise, I think the 156W would be the safest bet. It’s a wide board, but not overly wide and would suit 10.5s well, IMO. You could probably get on the 158 OK in 10.5s assuming that you have binding angles similar to +15/-15 (or at least a reasonable amount of angle on your back binding. But I think the 156 length would be better for you overall and the 155 might be a little narrow, though you could possibly just squeeze onto it. But on any smaller size (10 or under) you might be better on the regular width board, which will be easier to initiate turns on. In that case, you might be able to risk it with your current boots. If you want to, then I would be leaning towards 155 for you, but 158 is also doable.
I think if you ride with angles similar to +15/-15, I would give the 155 or 158 a go. But if you’re worried about overhang (or ride with a straigher back binding angle, or want the ability to experiment with angles), the 156W would definitely work for you. In terms of length, the 155 would be better for ease of turn initiation, maneuverability at slower speeds, trees and tricks etc. The 158 would give you more float in powder, more stability at speed and better for long deep carves.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi
Typo or Capita Mercury?
Stability at speed/Fast groomers/`bit of park/Better carving
Currently on 2012 YES Jackpot 154 – thinking 157 maybe? (5’8″ 178lbs)
Thanks!
Hi Greg
Thanks for your message.
I think the Mercury could work for what you’re describing. It would certainly give you a bit more in terms of carving and stability at speed, compared to the 154 Jackpot (IMO). More so than the Typo, which would be better off-piste compared to the Jackpot, but not really an improvement in terms of speed and carving, IMO – unless you went with a bigger size. But to get a more noticeable improvement, I think the Mercury would be the way to go.
The Typo is better for riding switch than the Mercury and better for jibbing, but from what you’re describing I think the Mercury would be a better fit.
Size-wise, the 155, rather than the 157 might be better for your specs, depending on your boot size. Just because it’s a slightly wider board. But if you could let me know your boot size, that would help to decide.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate,
I enjoy reading your reviews! I’ve been looking for another all mountain board for my quiver. I ride everything, but looking for a fun board that I can butter with on boring runs, rip deep carves, hit the pow, do tree runs, hit small and medium jumps, minimal jobbing, and riding switch. The problem I’ve been having with my Never Summer 2016 152 is that it doesn’t grip on icy snow for me. I think due to the reverse camber dominant profile is what is causing this.
I was thinking about the yes basic decade, yes typo, and Jones mountain twin. I am 5’4″ and 170 lb. What would you recommend? Even if I haven’t listed it here.
Hi Brandon
Thanks for your message.
I think the Typo could work well for what you’re describing. I wouldn’t say it’s a speed demon but everything else sounds like it would work for you and likely you would get extra grip over your Never Summer – though how much extra would depend on the model of your Never Summer.
The Mountain Twin would work – better at speed and in powder, but not as good in icy snow, IMO. But still decent for sure.
The Basic Decade isn’t a board I’ve ridden, but based on specs, and based on the Typo and the Basic (non-decade), I think it would also suit what you’re looking for. It looks like it’s a good bit stiffer than the Typo, but otherwise quite similar, maybe with a lighter core. Probably better at speed and maybe with carving too – but not as agile and probably not as good for butters. But as I haven’t ridden it, I couldn’t say for sure.
The YES Standard would also work well for what you’re describing, IMO.
Something around 152-154 would be a good size for your specs, and what you’re describing, IMO – depending on the board and your personal preferences this could be different, but roughly something around there would be a good bet.
Hope this helps with your decision
Wow I just discovered this board thanks to your review. I am looking for a board to replace my Jones Mountain Twin, something similar but a little more playful. I first had the Capita DOA in mind but the Yes Typo seems to be a better choice no?
Hi JT
Thanks for your message.
I think the Typo could work well for what you’re describing. The Typo is a little more playful than the Mountain Twin and I would say more playful than the DOA too. I would also say that the Typo is more similar to the Mountain Twin than the DOA is.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate, then the Typo is indeed exactly what I am looking for ?
You’re very welcome JT. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hey Nate,
I just tried my Rossignol Jibsaw in 159, unfortunately it feels bit too long for me as I am used to my 152 nitro team camber.
Thats why I’m looking for the typo in 155 for me. I’m 5’9 185bs and 9.5 US (42.5Eur).More over I wanna put my Burton Cartel 2019 on it. I wanna ride groomers with side jumps, 180 buttering, just having some fun down the hill.. A bit powder/off Piste and one or 2 runs in the park.
What do you think?
Still open to other boards
Ps: really like the catchfree profile of jibsaw, hope typo is the same
Thanks for your very exact and understandable tests!!
Hi Chris
Thanks for your message.
Yeah going from a 152 to 159 is a pretty big leap. I think the 155 or 157 Jibsaw would have been a better option. From what you’re describing though, I think the Typo would actually be a better fit than the Jibsaw. And certainly since you’re used to a 152, then the 155 over the 158 would be the better choice.
I didn’t find the Typo catchy at all personally.
Should be no issue using your Burton Cartels on it – assuming they are the Re:Flex model, not the EST model. I’d say the Typo is a 4.5/10 flex and the Cartels a 6/10 flex. But the Cartels flex very well with the board, so even though it’s not an exact match, that setup will work well, IMO.
You could look at the following for more options, but I think the Typo 155 would suit your purposes well.
>>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards
>>My Top All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
Thanks so much for all the epic effort, info, and advice you put into this! It’s obviously a passion, I love your reviews.
I’m hoping to get your advice on a couple of things.
I’m a beginner at the ripe old age of 47 and I’ve decided on the Typo as my first board. I tried skiing for the last couple of years and I love it but, I can’t resist the allure of a board.
I won’t be doing tricks or park riding for the foreseeable future and I expect to spend most of my time on my local resort groomers with maybe a very small jump or two 🙂
Based on that, can I ask your opinion on board size for the Typo? I am 6′1″ and about 200lbs. Not sure on boot size but, I wear a size 9-9.5 in Salomon hiking shoes if that helps.
Any advice would be appreciated to help an old fart get on a board with a reasonable chance of success.
Thanks, again!
Hi Bruce
Thanks for your message.
I think the 158 is going to be your best size, assuming a snowboard boot between 9 and 10. You certainly could ride the 161 as well – which would give you more stability at speed and better float in powder. But will be a harder learning curve, and given you’re a beginner, I think the 158 will work best. And since it sounds like you’re going to be riding mostly in the resort, then you probably don’t need to go as long as 161, particularly if it’s not a huge resort.
Never too late to start – and 47 a’int that old!
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks so much, Nate!
I’ll avoid the harder learning curve and stick with the 158. I live near the base of Seymour so I’ll be sticking to the North Shore for a while anyway.
Now, on to the boots and bindings research 🙂 I agree with you 100% that snowboard gear is almost as exciting as boarding itself!
I’ll ping you back as I get more questions.
Thanks, again.
You’re very welcome Bruce. Let me know if you have any questions re boots and bindings.
Thanks for the quick reply Nate. Appreciate you checking. As a note, the board I’m interested in is a prior year model so maybe that’s the difference? Also, as plan b, would Rossi One LF be an option in 156/159? I’m 185lbs, size 10, low-mid intermediate. Mostly groomers (east coast ice) and pow when available (yearly trip west). No park, and wouldn’t call myself a speed freak either (too old…). Thanks again Nate!
Hi DD
Actually yeah, looking back to the 2017 model, it did have those stance width figures that you mentioned. The 2018 model had the ones that I noted. Are you looking at a 2017 model?
From what you’re describing, I think the Rossi One LF, would be a good option for you – good in icy conditions and good in powder, for when you come west. It’s also a nice damp board with a nice smooth turn – and certainly suitable for your ability level. The Typo not as good in powder but also good in icy conditions. Typo a little more freestyle oriented – better for jumps and riding switch than the Rossi. Rossi also better at speed, but that doesn’t sound like too much of a concern for you. But overall, I think the Rossi One might be a little more suitable. Should be fine stance width too for you. Has a 55cm reference stance.
I haven’t heard back from YES yet, but I suspect their website is a Typo and those specs are still there since the 2017 model, but I’ll let you know once I hear back.
Thanks Nate -appreciate the follow up. I will look into the Rossi more. It sounds like as good, if not better option. Thanks again for your input and info on the Rossi!
Hey Nate,
Looking at this board but have a question on stance width and potential affect on the ride characteristics. So the Typo seems to check the boxes for me, but in my size (158), the ref stance is almost 60cm, and min stance is listed at 55.7cm. My typical stance is 54, 56 is max, which means I would need to set the board at the min 55.7 width. Would riding the board at it’s min stance impact the control/ride/flex pattern? I generally like to keep my stance within a couple of cm’s of the ref, but not possible for the Typo. Thanks in advance!
Hi DD
Thanks for your message.
The information I have is that the reference stance on the 158 is 57.15cm and the minimum stance is 53.2cm – with the max out at 61.2cm. Correct me if I’m wrong but that’s the info that I have and I’m pretty sure my stance wasn’t that wide when I rode it (unfortunately I forgot to measure it, which I usually do).
I also like to stay to close to reference if not reference, because if you go too far from it, then you’re going to get a different feel because of your position on the camber and your position on the sidecut (and how much tip and tail you end up having) but if you wanted to ride this closer to 56, then it wouldn’t be too far off reference. I probably wouldn’t go as narrow as 54 on this board, but 56 should be fine.
Can you let me know where you got your numbers – everywhere I look, including the YES catalog has the figures I posted above. Actually I see now, what you have there is what is on YES’s website. I wasn’t aware that the Typo’s stance changed for the 2019 model, but I will find out if the figures in the catalog are correct (i.e. the figures on the website could be a Typo (ha!)) or perhaps they did change the stance widths. I will get back to you.
Hey Nate,
I was just wondering if a L sized union force would fit in the 156 YES The Greats. I am size 10.5 and I am haven’t decided whether M or L size binding.
Hi Steve
Thanks for your message.
The L sized Force should fit on the 156 Greats (assuming it’s the 2019 model as the 2018 and previous models were narrower.
I haven’t measured the Large Force bindings, but I had a large contact measured on the base plate and that was 26.5cm. The Medium Force bindings measure 24.4 on the baseplate (with toe ramp all the way in), so I can’t imagine the Large would be longer than the Contact Pro large.
The Greats measures 27.3cm across the board at the inserts, so even if you were to ride with a completely straight binding angle on your back foot, you should be fine. And it’s recommended to ride with a duck stance on the Greats, since it’s an asym board.
So yeah, without having measured the Large Force, I would say that it should fit fine on the 156 Greats.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
thanks for taking the time to put this site together. So useful!
So far I have around 3 weeks of boarding under my belt but this year I will be in the French alps from November to April and plan to get a lot better.
currently trying to decide between this and the Basic.
I’ll be looking to ride groomers, powder and really want to spend time in the park too.
which board would you recommend and why??
I’m around 5’10 and 80kg size 9 (uk) and leaning towards the 155 in either of these.
what do you think???
Hi Tom
Thanks for your message.
Both would work, but I’d be leaning towards the Typo for you. It’s still something you can ride as a beginner, especially given you have 15 days under your belt. And it’s going to be a little better in powder and for carving/speed. The Basic is a little better in the park/riding switch. But I think overall, the difference from the Typo in the other aspects would outweigh that. And particularly that you’re going to be spending a lot of time on the mountain.
Size-wise, it’s a toss up between the 155 and 158. The 158 would give you more in powder, better stability at speed but won’t as good in the park and the trees as the 155. The 155 would also be something that you could progress on a little more quickly. In the long run, I think the 158 would be a better size for you, but for right now, I think the 155 would be better. So, it’s whether you’re willing to have a steeper learning curve with the 158 but have a board in a size that will still be good at an advanced level – or if you want faster progression with the idea in mind that you could upgrade at a later stage, once you’re a more advanced rider.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision.
Hey Nate,
just spotted this now. apologies if my message gets duplicated across other parts of the site.
This is really useful thank you.
One of the things that keeps drawing me back to the Basic is the slightly softer flex so it will be easier to Butter etc.
Do you think the Typo will be harder to Butter and be less playful or is there really not much in it??
Also, I’m thinking of going for the Union Contact Pros.
Do you think they are a good match? is there anything else I should be considering?
Thanks again
Tom
Hi Tom
Both boards are easy to butter, IMO, but I would say that the Basic is that little bit easier to butter being softer, like you say. And a little better for learning in the park and riding switch. So if those are your main focuses, then you could go with that. The Typo is going to give you a little more in powder and for riding at speed and carving. The Basic would be the fastest/easiest in terms of progressing, but the Typo isn’t super difficult either, but if you want that easier/quicker progression and a more freestyle oriented option, then the Basic would work well. And then you could always keep it as your freestyle/park board down the line and get a more mountain/powder oriented board down the line.
Contact Pros would be a great match for the Basic, IMO. They would work for the Typo, but ideally something more around that 5/10 flex for the Typo. You could check out some options here, if you were to go Typo – but the Contact Pros would work with that board, but more ideal for the Basic:
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps
Hey Nate–
Here’s my specs: 44 years old, 5’9″, 170lbs, wear Burton Imperials Size 8. Probably call myself a high beginner, low intermediate rider who’s working on deep carves and start buttering, but not much into park riding at this level. Might ride powder a couple times a year. Looking to upgrade from rentals to my first board purchase and torn between the Yes Basic and Typo. I’m really not sure if the Typo will be too much board for me at my current skill level (I’m assuming the Basic is less catchy). And, even though this shouldn’t matter at all, I like the graphics on the 2019 Basic over the 2019 Typo. Any words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Hi Dave
I think the Typo would be suitable for your level, from what you’re describing but the Basic would also be a good choice. Some things to consider:
1. The Typo is a tad stiffer flexing – but still not overly stiff and not that much more than the Basic – I’d say 4/10 Basic, 4.5/10 Typo.
2. The Typo has less rocker tip and tail, which gives a slightly more camber feel. Both have 4mm camber between and under the feet but the typo has 2mm rocker tip and tail where the Basic has 4mm (or 3mm depending on the size) tip and tail. This makes the Basic more catch-free
3. The slightly softer flex and more rocker tip and tail make the Basic a little easier to butter. There’s not a huge difference between them in terms of buttering but noticeable – both butter pretty easy but the basic is just a little easier
4. The Typo is a little better in powder – the Basic has a bit more rocker but there is a small setback in the Typo – though subtle, this can make a difference. Also, the Typo has a harder/faster base – which tends to work better in powder than an extruded base, in my experience (particularly wet powder)
5. Both are really good at riding switch, but the Basic, very subtly better there.
6. The Typo is just that little bit better in terms of carving and stability at speed.
The differences are subtle but noticeable between these 2. The main differences being the camber profile, setback, flex and base.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Thanks for the quick reply, and hoping for another one:)
After more research today I also saw the 2019 Arbor Element Black in the Camber system. Opinion compared to the two Yes boards above?
Hi Dave
Arbor’s System Camber isn’t as catchy as traditional camber, but, in my experience it’s still a catchier feel than hybrid camber. Certainly catchier than the Typo, IMO.
Would the Arbor Formula be a better option to the Yes Typo and Basic?
Hi Dave
The Formula Rocker is a good beginner to intermediate board option, IMO. Certainly not catchy at all. Would be fine for buttering too. However, given that there’s not camber in the profile, it’s not going to be as good for deep carving as something like the Typo or Basic. If you’re looking for something that’s not catchy, butters easily and can be used to practice carving, then the Basic would be a great option, IMO. As would the Typo. The basic a little more buttery and a little more catch-free than the Typo – the Typo a little better for carving. The Formula Rocker can still carve but wouldn’t be as well, IMO.
Hey mate, I am looking for a new all-mountain board.
I have been riding the last years a very stiff board (the Nitro Eero Ettala Pro Model 2012), which is maybe over 8/10 stiffness. Now I wanna chance because I think its hard for me to progress on it and not playful at all if you are no pro.
I ride intermediate or more I would say (17years). Mostly when there is pow, I go for the pow. Otherwise carving a lot around, having fun on the slopes or right next to it. I am not so often in the park, but also because of my old board. I like jumping as my old board has a lot of pop and would also like to progress a bit more on buttering and doing stuff switch.
I found the Typo and the Mountain Twin through some reviews. Which do you think would fit good. Actually I also liked the Standard, but they are everywhere sold out and just having these midwide sizes.
Any recommendations?
Thanks a lot!!!
Hi Alex
Thanks for your message.
It certainly sounds like you’re looking for an all-mountain board, but one that’s softer and more forgiving than your current board.
From what you’re describing, I think the Typo would certainly fit what you’re going for – as would the Mountain Twin – although, I feel like you’ll appreciate the Typo, with its softer flex. I haven’t ridden the Eero Ettala, so I can’t compare flex, but if it is like an 8/10, then the Mountain Twin will still feel softer than it – but if you’re looking to progress more with the likes of buttering, then I think the Typo is the better option.
But also check out the following for some more options:
>>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards
The other thing top consider is length – a longer board is going to feel stiffer than a shorter one – so getting the right length for your weight is important. If you’re not sure of the best length for you, just let me know your weight and height and I can give you my opinion on the right length. And if you’d like any ideas on the right width, just let me know your boot size.
Hope this helps
Thanks a lot for your quick reply! I appreciate that a lot!
I first also thought that a softer (medium flex) board would be a good option. But the point is that I usually dont like changing my board that often when I am used to it. And I dont know how it is in powder with a softer board like the typo as I really like to go out in the pow. My old board was pretty hard work in pow.
What do you think, is the flex okay and doesnt flatter a lot when going a bit faster?
Unfortunately all these boards are just available to order from far away so I cant check them in a shop close by.
And one more question to the durability. I usually like to have a sintered base. The typo has this spec sintered base. I dont know anything about this base. Are they also durable and fast?
My weight is 79 kg and I am 182cm. Shoesize is 43 european size.
Thanks a lot again. Its good to have some quality advices.
Hi Alex
The Typo isn’t super soft – it’s medium – but I wouldn’t say that medium is bad for powder. In fact a lot of powder specialist boards have a medium flex. I don’t think that stiffer is necessarily better when it comes to powder. Certainly wouldn’t go super soft, but medium is fine. I imagine that your old board was likely hard work in powder for other reasons than being medium flex – like if it was a centered stance/true twin, had little to no rocker, had a short nose etc – these factors, IMO, make a bigger difference when it comes to powder.
The biggest thing about a stiffer flex, to me, is for better stability at speed and better for holding big arcing carves.
So, I wouldn’t say no to the Typo in terms of flex, however, it sounds like stability at speed is important to you. And also, I think I underestimated how important powder was in your decision. The Typo isn’t bad in pow for its flex, but it does have only a very small setback, and a relatively short nose. In my experience it’s not bad in powder but not great either. So for those reasons it might not be as suitable in those areas.
So maybe something like the Mountain Twin is a better option. Going to the Standard, compared to the Typo, would also be a step in terms of powder and stability at speed, whilst still being a good board for buttering, but you say that’s unavailable. The Standard has a longer nose and tail than the Typo and has set back inserts – of course that would mean you’d either have to stay in that setback stance or switch between being centered and setback depending on the powder. It’s still fine in powder centered but is obviously better when you set it back.
The Mountain Twin would certainly be a safe bet, as would something like the Nitro Team (not on that list as I only just rode it this spring), the Rossi One and the Never Summer West, in terms of boards that would still maintain in terms of stability at speed and float in powder, but be more playful and freestyle oriented than your current board.
In terms of length, I would say that something between 157 and 159 would be a good bet, for your specs, ability level and to strike a balance between extra float in powder and stability at speed with being more playful and to help with progressing with that side of things. You could go a little longer for more float/stability or shorter for more playfulness but I think that length range would be a good middle ground. What you are used to also plays a part in length decisions though, so if you’re used to something significantly longer or significantly shorter, then you might need to adjust that a little bit.
In terms of width, for your boot size I would say to look at something in the range of 247mm to 257mm in terms of waist width, if you ride with a reasonably angled back binding (i.e. 12-15 degrees) and between 254mm to 259mm at the waist, if you ride with a fairly straight back binding angle (i.e. 0-3 degrees). Add a couple of mms if you like to carve deep and take off a couple off mm if you have low profile boots (e.g. recent Adidas, Burton, Ride and Vans). This is assuming EU43 translates to a US10 (which it usually does) and assuming a traditional board shape (new short/wide shaped boards don’t play by these rules).
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hey Nate,
man you are legend! Thanks so much that you take so much time for this review!
I was checking again for the Standard, as I was trying to get this board from the beginning. But its not available anymore. But doesnt matter, in the end its the rider and not the board.
Was just afraid that the typo (as they say its the same as the basic with little setback) is a little bit too basic for me, as i am riding a pretty aggressive board now and dont want a smooth beginner learning board.
So I will look for the MT 😉 Anyway it looks cooler! Is the board still okay for buttering or more hard to handle because of the stiffness especially in the tips?
Cool so the sizes are actually the ones I always picked, around 157. Just for the width I never checked, as I always took the normal board (no wide board or midwide) and it fits good.
Just got another question. As before also I had a really stiff boot (Salomon F2). Can you recommend me some good but cheap medium flex boots which dont break down quickly like burton boots.
😛 I think after this I am safe. Thanks so much mate!
Hey Alex
Cheers man! And you’re very welcome.
You can definitely still butter the MT. It’s not as easy to butter as the Standard – most of the YES boards I’ve ridden tend to be nice and buttery, softer in the tip and tail I think. But whilst the MT isn’t quite as easy, in my experience, it’s still butterable.
In terms of boots, I can’t really say first hand about longevity, just that I don’t typically test gear for long enough to test durability, except with gear I own myself. I can say that my last pair of boots (Vans Aura) have done around 80 days and seem to be still going strong – a bit of wear and tear and are softer than when I first got them, but still definitely rideable. I replaced them near the end of the season but still plan to use them for park days. One thing with Vans though – they’re not that suitable for anyone with high arches or wider than normal feet. I have normal width feet and I have quite flat feet and I really like the fit of them but I’ve heard people with high arches who can’t wear them. So yeah, the Aura, probably on the softer side of medium (4.5./10) would be an option. Or the Vans Infuse Boa if you want something a little stiffer but still more like a 6/10 (without the tongue stiffeners in there – they have tongue stiffeners which can make the boot feel stiffer when you want it to). But again, if you’ve got high arches or wide feet, I wouldn’t. If you’ve got wide feet then something like Adidas or 32. I can’t vouch for their durability (though my brother’s done 50 days on his Adidas Tactical ADV with no sign of wear so far).
Check out the following for some options in the 4-7 flex range.
>>My Top All Mountain (medium-stiff flex) Snowboard Boots
>>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots
Hope this gives you some options.
Hi. I love your reviews. I have not ridden a board in 20 years and am looking to start again. I tried skiing for the first time ever this year, and although I progressed well with my season pass, I miss the feel of riding a board.
I am not a trick rider and prefer to simply carve down resort groomers with maybe doing the random small jump.
When I did ride back in the day, I was decent but not good (and caught edges more than I liked). I was looking to possibly get a Yes Typo or Basic….just not sure if these are my best options.
I am 5′-9″, 180ish lbs with a size 12 boot. Any advice would be appreciated from this old man looking to get back on a board.
Hi James
Thanks for your message – and glad to hear you’re looking to get back on a board.
I think something like the Basic or Typo would be a good bet for you. The Typo is probably more suited to your riding style and will be a better fit once you’ve got your legs back, IMO. So I would go Typo over Basic. The Basic would be good to get started back on the board, but the Typo would be better overall, IMO.
In terms of size, I would say something around 157 to 159 would be a good bet in terms of length and in terms of width, with 12s, something in the range of 261mm to 271mm in terms of waist width, if you ride with a reasonably angled back binding (i.e. 12-15 degrees) and between 269mm and 274mm at the waist, if you ride with a fairly straight back binding angle (i.e. 0-3 degrees). Add a couple of mms if you like to carve deep and take off a couple off mm if you have low profile boots (e.g. recent Adidas, Burton, Ride and Vans).
So for the Typo I would say that the 159W would be your best size.
For some other options (I think an all-mountain board would suit you best), check out the following:
>>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards
Hope this helps
Hi,
I was wondering what size of board you would recommend for me?
Height: 183cm
Weight: 80kg
Shoe size: US 10,5 / EUR 43,5
Binding: Burton Custom L
Binding angles: 15 degrees front, -9 degrees back
I was only wondering, as on the typo homepage, the wide boards are recommended for shoe sizes US 10 and above, but I would rather get the 159 or 161 regular width snowboard.
Thank you already for your support and greetings from Germany,
Seabass
Hi Seabass
Thanks for your message.
Assuming you are at a reasonably advanced level, then something around 160cm is a good length for you, IMO, for an all-mountain board. If you’re leaning more on the intermediate side (or just like shorter boards), then 158 would be better – more advanced then 161 assuming you like a little more length.
In terms of width, with a 9 degree back binding angle, I would say something around 255mm would be about the minimum. So both the 158 and 161 are just slightly less than that. I think you would be fine with those, if you have low profile boots (something like Adidas, Burton, Ride or Vans) otherwise it’s pushing it a little bit. Also, if you like to get in deep carves, then that’s going to make those widths less doable, but if you don’t really do deep carves (like Euro carves) you’re more likely to get away with it. Or switching up your binding angles, if you were willing to do that would help you get on those regular widths.
Otherwise, the 159W is also an option, and probably the best option if you like to do deep carves, IMO.
Hope this helps for your decision
Thanks a lot Nate for getting back so quickly.
I will check my boots and then make up my mind.
So you would suggest 15 degrees front and back could do the trick for the regular width?
Hi Seabass
You’re very welcome.
Yeah if you were willing to go +15/-15, then those regular widths should be fine, IMO.
Hey,
Im having doubts between this board and the Yes Standart one.
Im an Intermediate rider or even advance and want kind of board that can do it all pretty good.
I want both worlds as far as freestyle/jumping/trick fun/buttering, and freeride/powder/backcountry stability?
In addition in other sites it said that those boards are stiffer than u wrote here. (Here u ranked it 4.5/10, and in evo it says 4/5 so which one is trues?
Hi Aviad
In my opinion, YES flex ratings don’t make that much sense. To say that the YES Typo is 4/5 for flex is saying that it’s 8/10 in terms of flex (that’s how it works in my head, anyway) and there is no way that this board is an 8/10 flex! Not from the feeling I got from it anyway. And YES rates the Standard a 4.5/5 – which would translate to 9/10 in my head – and again, compared to other boards that are rated 8 or 9 out of 10, it wasn’t nearly that stiff.
Evo ratings seem to just be going off the YES site as far as I can tell.
Typo I would say would be 5/10 at most – and I’d say just a little softer than that (which is why I have rated it 4.5/10).
For the Standard, I rated it 6/10 for flex. Maybe at a push it’s 7/10 – but definitely not 9/10. Not from the feeling I got from it anyway.
I would say that the Standard is the better of the two boards overall. But the Typo is definitely the more playful of the 2 and is easier to butter. But you can definitely still butter the Standard and do freestyle stuff on it. But it’s more leaning towards freeride than the Typo is, IMO.
Hope this helps
Ok tnx.
If I would choose the Yes standart do u think that the 149 will be good for me? Cause it is wider,
And im only 1.65 cm tall, my weight is 135 pounds(61 kg), and my shoe size is 41?
Plus what the differnces between the standart and the jones mountain twin? (also an option) I want all mountain board for powder, groomers, buterring and play with the board. (Versatile)
Hi Aviad
Yeah for the Standard, the 149 would be the best size for you, IMO – both in terms of length and width.
I would say the Standard is a little quicker edge-to-edge, better in icy conditions and a slightly better carver. Same for speed and in powder (when in slamback inserts, not quite as good as MT in powder when centered). Standard, when centered, a little better for riding switch and for jumps, IMO. Both about the same for buttering.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey,
If I will decide to go with the Mountain twin should I take the 151 or 154?
(I wrote above my height and weight)
Hi Aviad
For your specs, I’d definitely say go 151 – it’s a better length and width for you, IMO.
Hope this helps.
Hey,
In evo site it said that the flex of the board is 4/5 and here u say its 4/10 which one is true? And I want to buy this or the Yes standart board, for an all mountain ride as much both worlds as far as freestyle/jumping/trick fun, and freeride/backcountry stability?
But if this is 4/5 stiff its wont be an option to butter and play with it.
I’m 5’11” 6ft around 150-155 I was thinking about getting the yes typo 155cm what do you think? Also I was think about putting the Burton Malavita re:Flex bindings on this board. What are your thoughts? thx
Hey.
Yeah, I think the 155 would be a good size for you. You could go as long as the 158 if you’re a more advanced rider – but if you’re beginner to intermediate, then definitely 155 – and even if you’re advanced, the 155 is still a good size for you.
The Malavita’s would pair well with the Typo, in my opinion – it’s a good flex match and a good binding all round.
Hope this helps
Thanks for the quick reply!!! I would say I’m intermediate been boarding for 3 or 4 years. figured I wasn’t gonna stop and got tired of rentals thought I would buy this board. Other than the Malavita you have any other bindings in mind that would work good with this board setup? Have in mind I’m kind of a do it all kind of rider.
Hey.
Yeah the 155cm I think would be the best option then, for sure.
In terms of bindings, take a look at this list. Anything there, should be a good match to the Typo. Let me know if nothing there works for you and I can give you some other options too.
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings