What is a snowboard setback stance? And what’s the best position for you?
The answer to this question depends mostly on the snowboard you have and the style of snowboarding you want to do.
What is a setback stance?
Snowboards are designed to have the rider’s feet either centered on the snowboard (lengthways) or setback.
Setback basically means that your back binding will be set up closer to the tail (back) of your snowboard than your front binding is from the nose (front). Your front binding will be closer the centre of your snowboard (the waist) than your back binding.
See the examples of centered and setback stances below.
Centered
Setback
There are varying degrees of setback that can range from as little as 5mm to as much as 70mm or even more in some cases.
So how do you know what stance is best for you?
The Best Setback Stance for You
The setback stance you go with will depend on a few main things:
- How the snowboard was designed
- Your Style of Snowboarding
- What feels the best for You
How the Snowboard Was Designed
Snowboards are usually designed with a particular setback stance in mind. And often this means that the camber profile is set in a certain way, the shape is a certain way etc.
All snowboards have the setback stance published so you know what setback you should be riding on that board.
For me this is the most important one. The board is designed to have a certain setback and if you ride with a different setback then it could feel odd or not perform the way it should.
You can try a different setback but if it feels weird or you don’t get the same out of the board then you might need to change boards if you want to change your setback stance.
The Style of Snowboarding You do
If you don’t yet have a snowboard or you are thinking of getting a new one then this becomes the most important consideration.
Freestyle
If you like to ride freestyle then you are going to want to have a centered stance.
A centered stance allows you to ride switch more comfortably, perform tricks more easily and have a better feel on rails and other obstacles.
Below are the stats for over 60 freestyle and jib boards that I researched. As you can see every single one of them had a centered stance!
| Setback | % |
| Centred | 100% |
| Between 5mm and 10mm | 0% |
| Between 10mm and 15mm | 0% |
| Between 15mm and 20mm | 0% |
| Greater than 20mm | 0% |
Related: How to Choose the Best Freestyle Snowboard for You
All-Mountain-Freestyle
Naturally all-mountain-freestyle snowboards tend to have some characteristics of freestyle snowboards and some of all-mountain boards. When it comes to setback they take from the freestyle snowboard. A large majority have a centered stance.
And this makes a lot of sense. If you are riding freestyle anywhere on the mountain you still want a centered stance for riding switch, and doing tricks off natural hits.
Below are the setbacks of all of the all-mountain-freestyle boards I researched. Again the centered stance is the most preferred.
| Setback | % |
| Centred | 98% |
| Between 5mm and 10mm | 2% |
| Between 10mm and 15mm | 0% |
| Between 15mm and 20mm | 0% |
| Greater than 20mm | 0% |
All-Mountain
The all-mountain rider needs to be able to do a bit of everything. In order to be able to do a bit of everything their snowboard needs to strike a balance.
In terms of setback stance there is usually some amount of setback but there usually isn’t that much.
The reason for this is that you don’t want too much setback because you still want to be able to ride switch o.k. and might still want to do some freestyle riding but you also need the benefits of a setback stance.
The benefit of having a setback stance is that it helps to keep the nose out of your snowboard up – so if you’re in deep snow you don’t have to think too much about keeping the nose of your board above the snow.
Naturally the all-mountain snowboard tries to strike a balance, so the setback is almost never centered but is also seldom more than 20mm (3/4”) setback.
| Setback | % |
| Centred | 0% |
| Between 5mm and 10mm | 16% |
| Between 10mm and 15mm | 32% |
| Between 15mm and 20mm | 47% |
| Greater than 20mm | 5% |
Related: How to Choose the Best All-Mountain Snowboard for You
Freeride
Freeride snowboards don’t typically need the benefits of riding switch or the ease of doing tricks, hitting rails etc.
But they do need to be good at floating in powder.
Freeriders often venture into the backcountry in search of powder and you don’t want to be physically working hard to keep your nose afloat. A decent setback stance makes it more effortless to keep your nose afloat so that you can concentrate on the best lines to take.
So freeride snowboards usually have a setback stance of at least 20mm (3/4”) and sometimes as much as 65mm (2.5 inches).
| Setback | % |
| Centred | 0% |
| Between 5mm and 10mm | 0% |
| Between 10mm and 15mm | 8% |
| Between 15mm and 20mm | 31% |
| Greater than 20mm | 62% |
Related: How to Choose the Best Freeride Snowboard for You
Over to You
Thanks for reading and I hope this has helped you to find the right snowboard setback stance for you.
If you have any questions or comments please feel free to leave them in the comments section below.
Related: Choosing the Best Snowboard Stance Setup (angles, width, setback, high-back lean)
Hi Nate
What about boards like the new Jones mind expander? It claims to have zero setback stance but looks so direccional ( It comes all from the nose lenght i think). Are this boards better for freeride than the ones with setback on sidecut?
Hi Nas
The Mind Expander has a setback on effective edge in its reference stance (of 20mm) but they do often make it easy to center up – and in their specs they even show the stance width separate for reference and centered stance (e.g. on the 154 the reference stance width, with the 20mm setback, is 56cm and the centered stance is 54cm). And then setback over the whole length of the board (when setup in the reference stance) is a lot more. I measured 56.5cm from the center of the front binding to the nose and 40.5cm from the center of the back binding to the tail. So a really big difference – because of that longer nose.
But there are a few boards around that are quite directional and with a centered stance – and easy to set it up as such on the Mind Expander too.
I personally prefer carving being a little bit setback on effective edge. Not too much but a little and I find it better for powder too. But nothing wrong with being centered on a directional board if you like the feel of it.
Thanks for the quick answer
I thought the setback was zero in 2023 model because I red in the official web Page that setback was moved 20 mm forward to improve carving so this means It was for example 30 o 40 in the 2021/2022 model, isn’t It?
I have another question
In a board with setback stance, is It possible to take your BEST stance ( 54 cm for example) toward the tail for Riding powder? Or for getting the back binding Closer to the tail I have to move the forward binding also to the nose which Will not have any effect to increase floating ( i’m not sure of this last sentence)
What about the same in twin board with only centered stance on sidecut?
Thanks for your time
Hi Nas
They do mention this on their website, but in truth the 21/22 model had the same specs in terms of setback, so I’m not sure why they’ve put that there. Potentially a marketing thing.
Yeah, you can set it back as much as you want on a powder day. And can keep your 54cm stance. Just move the back binding towards the tail and then move the front binding towards the center of the board the same amount and you can maintain your 54cm stance and have an increased setback for better float on pow days.
You can setback a twin board too. It will help it to float a little better on a powder day by setting it back. It’s not designed to be setback, so it’s not optimal to do that when it’s not a powder day, but on a powder day it helps with float, so it’s a good idea if that’s the only board you have to take into the powder.
Hi Nate, I’m setting up a Terrain Wrecker for small scale Midwest riding, pretty much all groomers :/ I’m finding the setback appears to be really significant overall as per your review of the board. Am I crazy to consider setting my binding stance forward .75 inches, starting from a “centered” stance postion? I want the board performing more toward a freestyle twin, rather than being ready for pow. I don’t want to ride it outside it’s parameters either though haha. Thanks for the peerless website!
Hi Nick
Thanks for your message.
I wouldn’t move it forward personally, as it’s already centered on effective edge. And moving it forward you would be “set forward on effective edge”. So you would essentially have more of the effective edge behind your back foot than you would in front of your front foot. Even though it is quite setback on the overall length of the board, that’s mostly noticeable in powder and when not in powder, it should still feel quite centered, even if it doesn’t look it. I would keep it in the centered position. Just to double check that you’re set up centered on effective edge and not setback on the effective edge could you measure from the distance from the end of the nose to the center of your front binding and the end of the tail to the center of the back binding?
Hi Nate, thanks for the reply! When my bindings are set in a centered position relative to the inserts, I measure the nose at 21.25in and the tail at 17.75in. This is with a 22in stance width. When I shift the bindings forward one insert-step I measure the nose length at 20.5in and the tail at 18.5in. This has what has gotten me considering moving my stance forward the smallest step possible and still being setback a small amount. When I measure the distance from my mounting points to the widest part of the nose and tail that still contact’s the snow, it appears I’m still around 1 inch setback on sidecut (maybe?). Thanks!
Hi Nick
Yeah, that sounds like it’s setback too far. On the 157, I get 20.25″ (51.5cm) to the nose from the center of the front binding and 18.9″ (48cm) to the tail from the center of the back insert. Which is a 1.35″ (3.5cm) difference. You’re getting a 3.5″ (9cm) difference, which is quite different. Not sure how the inserts are setup on the 156W, but it shouldn’t be that much different. In fact I think they should be setup roughly the same. Are you setup surrounding the wholes on each insert that are 3 in from the center of the board? E.g. like the image below
That should be where reference is and should be a roughly 22″ stance width.
Hi Nate,
Wow this is really interesting because the insert spacing and placement on my 2022 156W TW appears to be totally different than your 157! On this board you have to set the bindings four inserts in from the center to achieve a 22in stance, and it actually measures out to 21.75in at the position to be precise. I double checked the nose and tail lengths from this so-called “centered” 21.75in stance, and the nose is 21.25in from the center of the front binding, and the tail is 17.75 from the rear binding center point. That’s a lot of overall setback no? I also measure about a 1.5-inch difference in nose vs tail length from the binding-center based on where the nose/tail actually start to rise, rather than the overall length. This board isn’t a B-grade or anything that I’m aware of. Do you think it’s worth reaching out to Mervin? Because I honestly have no idea where to put bindings on this thing now haha. Thank you so much!
Hi Nate,
One other note to connect to my previous comment: So it appears this particular Terrain Wrecker’s front/rear inserts are not only closer together than your 157, but they are set further back as well.
My board’s inserts even look very noticeably setback compared to photos of the same board online! The front inserts in particular look much further back from the blue “Libtech” logo towards the nose.
However, if you look at my 2nd comment from the other day where I mention setting my bindings one insert-step towards the nose from “centered”, I end up with virtually identical nose/tail length that you’ve found on your 157 when set to a “centered’ 22 -inch stance! Around 20.5 inches long at the nose, and 18.5 at the tail.
This what sent me off on this mystery to begin with, it simply looks way too far setback with bindings mounted in a centered position on this board’s inserts, and now it’s becoming clear that this particular example actually has the inserts installed substantially farther back than they’re supposed to be. So weird.
I also measured the distance between the inner-most inserts of the front and rear insert packs, the ones closest to the waist of the board, and found them to be 17 inches apart. I’m going to go ahead and assume you 157 has a wider spacing than this between the front and rear insert packs?
Interested to hear your thoughts on this anomaly. You rock Nate 🙂
Hi Nick
That does all sound like the inserts have been incorrectly mounted to me. On my 157 there is an 18.5″ gap between the innermost holes, which is quite different to yours. Given that the 156W and 157 are supposed to have the same minimum and maximum stance widths, they should be the same. And even if they were supposed to be a little different, they wouldn’t be that different. Measuring the minimum stance width on mine, which is technically from the 2nd holes from the center, it measures 21.25″ (or actually looks just slightly over that but close enough), which is exactly what the specs say it should be. If your distance between insert packs is only 17″, then your minimum stance width is going to be more like 18.5″ which is considerably less than what it should be. And the maximum on mine is 25″ as it says it should be (measured from 5th hole to 5th hole), I’m guessing yours would only be around 23.25″.
And it really sounds like they’ve been setback too far as well. I would take this up with Mervin as to me it certainly sounds like the insert packs have been punched incorrectly.
Thanks so much for helping me realize the strange issue here Nate. Being able to compare with your 157 TW really saved me from a lot of confusion. I’ve gotten in touch with Mervin to get it resolved. I’m determined to own a TW so we’ll see what happens 🙂 Happy riding
You’re very welcome Nick. Would be very curious to hear what Mervin say and what you get figured out, if you think of it at the time.
Hi Nate,
Well, I expected to be messaging you with good news that Mervin had sent me a replacement 156W TW, which they certainly have done and it arrived today. However, in the most bizarre circumstances, the replacement board has the EXACT same insert-spacing issue!
I originally reached out to them last week and was contacted fairly quickly with a request for photos of the board, with a tape measure laid over it showing the distance from the outer most inserts to the nose/tail tips. I sent them and they promptly replied that, yep it’s a defect and they would send me a replacement in exchange for the defective board. So here I am this evening expecting a factory-spec TW… and it has inserts placed in exactly the same spot width-wise and front-to-rear offset. Not even close to the published specs, and identical to what I reported to you.
I’ve reached out to them again to see where we go from here, strange situation indeed.
Cheers
Hey Nick
Very strange. I’m guessing what happened is that they did a whole batch of them with the defect insert position and when they sent you the new board they didn’t look at it and just sent it out assuming yours was a one-off. Only thing I can think of. Would have thought they would have checked, but can’t assume these things! Hope they sort it out for you this time.
Hi Nate, Just wanted to give you a long-delayed follow up on this Terrain Wrecker issue. The board we were discussing was taken back by Mervin without question after I sent photos of the misplaced inserts. What’s insane is that the replacement 156W TW sent to me by Mervin from the next model year (the original board was a 21/22) had the exact same insert issue! After that realization, there turned out to be no more TWs that Mervin could provide, so I had them send me a Gnu Hyper instead, done deal. The reason I’m following up is because I just foolishly ordered another 156W last week from an online retailer in hopes of finally getting my dream board. But nope! Same exact issue again on this particular 22/23 156W too. I’m starting to think every 156W TW out there has the wrong inserts :O
Hey Nick
Thanks for the update. That’s so bizarre. Maybe they didn’t catch the issue before they did the 22/23 batch? Hope you’re enjoying the Hyper
Hi Nate, final update on this Terrain Wrecker ordeal: Unfortunately things didn’t end well with this most recent 22/23 156W I bought. I think Mervin grew tired of dealing with it because they decided to decline a replacement 2024 board, and then even went so far as to claim the first two TWs they took in under warranty were actually correctly spec’d after all, and they just had misinformed me that those boards had any problems in the first place. You and I know that’s not true of course – none of the boards I tired to own had insert spacing anywhere near your 157 TW for example. It’s a bummer they couldn’t acknowledge there was a long-span they weren’t building these boards correctly, at least in the 156W. I’ve since returned the board to the original retailer and will move on. Too bad they couldn’t step-up and accept responsibility. Cheers
Hi Nick
Thanks for the update. Yeah, that’s unfortunate they weren’t able to sort you out on that. Glad you were able to return it to the retailer. Hope the Hyper is going well – and let me know if you need any help if you decide to get anything else for your quiver down the line.
Hey Nate,
I bought a 2021 Gnu Essential Service, so basically the Mullair. It’s a 159mw. It says on the specs sheet that the stance is 20.25″-25″ and then setback 1″. I’m not really understanding the whole setback thing. Does the 1″ mean that the inserts are set back 1″ from the front of the board? I have my bindings set up at +18/-15. I’m 6’2 and the stance I have set up is 21.5 inches wide (that’s measuring from center to center of each binding). The front binding is screwed in at the very first set of inserts (closest to the waist) and then back binding is also screwed into the first set of inserts, also closest to the waist. Both bindings are centered width ways (so across the waist) on the board. Does this seem like an acceptable stance for this board? I’ve been playing around with it and so far this is just what’s the most comfortable.
Thanks for the great site.
Joe
Hi Joe
Thanks for your message.
Firstly in terms of the setback, because it can get confusing. When a setback is shown, it’s the setback on the effective edge. So that won’t necessarily be the setback on the whole board – and rarely actually is, since boards with a setback stance typically have a longer nose than tail. So said another way, the setback stance is how much it’s setback from the center of the point between the contact points at the tip and tail of the board. If the nose is longer than the tail, then the overall setback on the board, will be more than the stated setback stance. E.g. on the Mullair/2021 Essential Service, I measured 54cm from the center of the front binding to the end of the nose and 46cm to the tail from the center of the back binding (a setback of 1″ is 2.5cm, so the overall setback is quite a bit more, due the nose being longer than the tail).
It sounds like your setup on the narrowest stance (which is a little confusing with their stance range starting at 20.25″ but I’m not sure how they measured it. Reference stance widths are measured from the holes that are in between the ones that you screw into (assuming you’re not using a mini disc) – i.e. center of the bindings. So, IMO, you’ve measured your stance width correctly, but since they show a stance range, that might be measured from the inner most holes to outermost holes. So you can’t actually setup your stance width at that 20.25″.
In any case, long story short, if you feel most comfortable at that stance width and it works for you, it’s not wrong. There’s not really a wrong answer when it comes to stance width, it’s what feels best for your riding. It’s possible that you feel like it’s a little narrow when you’re actually riding it. But at that case you can adjust it, after you’ve ridden it. I think there’s a typical range that people tend to prefer and at 6’2 21.5″ is on the narrow side, but not everyone likes the typical range, so you’re all good there, if you find it most comfortable. One other consideration is where you are setup in relation to the camber profile, but it depends on the camber profile. In the case of the Mullair/2021 Essential Service, it shouldn’t matter too much, given that it’s mostly camber and the rocker section is only small – and your feet won’t be anywhere near that rocker section, even on the narrowest stance. On some boards, moving too wide or narrow, can affect the ride, because you move onto a different section of the camber profile, but you should be good on that board.
Did I say long story short?! Anyway, hope it helps
Hi Nate – appreciate all the great content. So much detail and thought in your responses! Conceptual question for you if I can…….as I’ve progressed, I’m doing more steep terrain (mostly groomed blacks, not so much powder) and I’m curious how you think setback impacts riding steeps and if it helps to have more/less setback. Riding a Jones Explorer 159, generally at reference stance (60), but also one set of holes in each binding at 56. I think my sweet spot might be 58, so my question/concern, is which binding should I move to get the 58? I can move the rear forward and then I’ll be centered on the effective edge (from Jones stats) but still setback overall, or I can move the front back to achieve the 58, thus increasing the setback along both the effective edge as well as entire board. Do you think it makes a big difference either way? Not doing freestyle, more freeride oriented if that helps. Looking to maximize my control and quick movements on those steeps. Thanks in advance!
Hi dd
Thanks for your message.
I think I would increase the setback to achiever that 58cm stance. For steeps, particularly if there is any kind of variable terrain – bumps/crud etc – then having more setback, rather than no setback is a good idea. If it was perfectly groomed and flat, then you could consider going into the centered on effective edge stance, but with any kind of variable terrain, I think I would go more setback to achieve that stance. And then if you hit any powder you will also be well set up to hit that too. This doesn’t mean that you want to put your weight on your back foot like you might in deep powder. You should still be riding with good technique with your weight more on your front foot, but that extra setback should help you better deal with variable terrain than centered on effective edge, IMO.
Hope this helps
Certainly does help Nate, thanks for great insight, as always!
You’re very welcome dd. Happy riding!
If in directional shape, will be present even 1/100 inch, setback of sidecut radius, than nose will be wider than tail, IMO. We are talking about effective edge zone (not including nose and tail length). You have to fix this fact.
Thank you!!
Hi there,
I have been renting snowboard for the past years and I am thinking of trying out the lib tech orca, however this board has a back stance, and do you think it will still be easy on buttering, olies or even nose press since it has a longer nose.
Which other boards will you recommend for intermediate riders.
Thanks and regards
Yeow
Hi Yeow
Thanks for your message. If you’re an intermediate rider and into buttering, ollies and nose presses, I wouldn’t go for the Orca. It’s not a board I’ve ridden, but looking at the specs and how others describe it, it’s not going to be that easy to butter nor that good for jumps/ollies. It’s more of a freeride to powder board. If you want it to ride a lot of powder, and ride fast and carve, but not really anything else, then it could work. Also it’s a short/wide board – if that’s the kind of thing you’re looking for that’s fine, but if you’re not specifically looking for that (and usually surfing powder would be your priority if you were), then it’s probably not the best option.
A little bit of setback is OK for what you’re describing, assuming you want to also ride a little powder as well, but the Orca has quite a lot of setback (plus the other things as mentioned above).
Assuming you do want to ride powder sometimes, like to carve groomers and want something that can handle a bit of speed too, but also want to be buttering/ollying etc, then I would look more at an all-mountain board. If powder isn’t a priority or you don’t get it that much, then an all-mountain-freestyle would be better suited. Check out the following to get some good options:
>>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards
>>My Top All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards
>>Top 10 Intermediate Snowboards
Hope this helps
Hey nate
I use union strata and falcors with the mini disc. Since the mini disc isn’t full size I can’t put the bindings on the reference stance it always has to be the width of screw holes difference. To have the stance centred I either have to go from the outside holes to the centre witch is too wide to be comfortable or from the inside holes to the outside which it a tad too narrow for and feels a lil bit loose. Basically to be comfortable and as centred as possible I have a 8mm setback on my twin board(ghost). I’ve ridden it seems fine but am I losing any performance. Should I go get some cartels?
Hope that made sense
Cheers
Tim
Hi Tim
Yeah totally makes sense, I get what you mean. I have the YES Greats and have Falcors I use on it sometimes. I tend to keep the stance centered and go just wider than reference width – but I prefer that stance width anyway, so that works for me. Since adjusting your stance width doesn’t work for you, then going with that little bit of a setback makes sense. Since it’s only 8mm setback it’s not a huge amount. I think it does make a subtle difference, but it’s very subtle when the setback is only that much. And some people say they don’t notice it at all (I think maybe because I ride so many different boards, and I’m always thinking and feeling how a board rides when I’m riding it
– I’m looking out for those things). If you’re happy with how it rides, I’d say you’re fine. Riding/Landing/taking off switch maybe not quite as ideal, but you may not even notice the difference. In powder you should get a little bit more float.
On the Ghost you’re not going to be sitting on any weird part of the camber or anything either by being in that position, so it’s not a problem in that sense, IMO.
But yeah if you really wanted to be centered and on reference stance, then you’ll need to go with a binding with a full size disc.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate
I currently am riding a burton instigator 2019. I believe it has a one inch setback and is a rocker/flat/rocker. However I have been riding quite a bit of park and would like to try a centered stance I am 5 foot 8 inches and 120 pounds do you think a centered stance would be ok?
Thank for reading
The board size is 155
Hi Tristan
Thanks for your message.
You could center up the Instigator is you wanted. It’s still going to have a longer and wider tail – so not going to be a twin – but will feel more twinish, and be easier for riding switch, if centered.
However, be careful that you don’t end up with a “set forward” stance. The 1″ setback is the setback along the effective edge of the board. If you try to center along the overall length, you will end up “set forward” on the effective edge – as the nose (beyond the contact points) is longer than the tail (beyond the contact points).
So, when you adjust your bindings move both bindings equal distance forward – the back binding 25mm towards the center and the front binding 25mm away from the center, keeping the same stance width. When measuring from the center of the back binding to the tail and from the center of the front binding to the nose the measurement from the center of the front binding to the nose should still be longer than the measurement from the back binding to the tail, because of the longer nose. Since Burton don’t publish their nose and tail lengths I’m not sure how much that difference should be.
Hope this helps
hey man, thanks for this article.
I have burton process flying v, can I do a setback stance on it?
Hi Mazen
Thanks for your message.
The Process Flying V has a 12.5mm (0.5″) setback already, when you set up in the reference stance. But you can definitely set it back further if you want to. If you want to set it back further but still keep your same stance width, then you just need to move the front binding towards the center and the back binding towards the tail by the same amount.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate, great article, but one (my) category is missing. What do you think about setback for carving? Specially on symetrical camber board. Do you recommend setback or not? If yes, how much? Or better s centered?
Thanks for answer, Martin
Hi Martin
Thanks for your message.
I personally prefer a little bit of setback for carving. Not too much but I like something around 20mm in terms of setback. I still like carving centered too, but I would prefer a little bit of setback ideally. That’s not necessarily the case for everyone but that’s what I prefer.
Hope this helps
Hi Martin, Nath,
Good thread and I am in search of ideal stance for carving too. I have F2 Eliminator 166wide 2010/11 Carbon, it is quite stiff and it has 50mm setback. Another problem is that my boots are Burton DriverX 12US size and I can’t use angles less than 48 degrees om the front foot without booting out. With this angle, the front heel is quite shifted to the tail as is, and 50mm setback of the board gives the feeling of a lengthy nose that is difficult to load on the back side, and I have to lean forward and stress front foot. I’m 186cm tall so 56cm stance should be good, but again, not with my +48 /+36 minimum angles. I want to stand narrower with steep angles, but the minimum stance is 52cm. So I’m thinking of moving only front foot +4cm to the nose (giving 56cm stance but eliminating most of the setback) and may be using heel lift plate, or switching to the hard boots… Please let me know your thoughts.
Hi Igor
Thanks for your message.
I personally don’t have any experience with angles like that – but I get what you’re saying with the heel of your front foot feeling like it’s quite far back along the effective edge in that position. Certainly no harm in giving it a go and seeing how it feels like that. If I have what you’re saying correct, then that would put you at a 10mm setback on the effective edge, instead of 50mm. If it doesn’t feel right, then you could try doing the same thing but with front foot 2cm closer to the nose (so that you’re then setback 30mm instead of 50mm).
Hi Nate,
I have tried to ride with 54 and 56cm stance with the back foot in the foremost position. The board feels livelier, as we expected, but now the back foot’s achilles tendon is always stretched, and even too overstretched by bumps on front side turns, backfoot certainly wants an angle much lower than my 36deg.. So I asked a pair of hardboots and plates from my friend, and set them 51cm apart, removing 1cm from the board’s setback by the back plate, and angles like 47 / 40. With the heel lift of 3deg on the back foot my stance on the board is conformable like never before 🙂 i am yet to test this new setup on the slope, though.
Hi Igor
Thanks for the update. Let me know how that goes for you on the slope. A bit more tweaking and you’ll find your sweet spot, I’m sure!
Hi,
Thanks for the article! I just bought a new k2 87. I don’t see very much powder but I am definitely not focused on the park. 99% of my season consists of me charging down groomers. Will this board fit my needs?
Hi Anthony
Thanks for your message.
The 87 isn’t something that I’ve ridden, so I couldn’t say first hand, but based on specs and what I’ve heard from others, I would say that it’s biggest strength is probably powder, but it looks like it could be OK riding at speed and carving. It’s a wider board that’s designed to be ridden in a shorter length. That’s often really good for powder, particularly powder in trees, but can also lead to a reduced effective edge, which can affect stability at speed for one thing.
I don’t have a lot of experience with short/wide boards, to be honest, but I’ve heard some people who do like them on groomers as well.
Definitely not a freestyle board, but sounds like that’s not your thing anyway.
I think depending on the size you got and your specs, that it could work for you, but like I say I can’t give you any first hand experience with this particular board.
Hi Nate,
I’ve got a Burton flight attendant 152 (2018). I’m 168cm and still curious to figure out what setback stances and angel are the best for my style. I like riding in powder and park occasionally. I would like to ask you for advices.
Thanks you so much
Stefan
Hi Stefan
Thanks for your message.
In some ways we’re talking about two opposite things here – Park and Powder. In powder you want a good setback on your board as it helps you float more effortlessly in powder, whereas in the park, it’s better (IMO) to be centered or close to centered, especially if you’re doing any tricks that involve taking off or landing in switch.
The reference stance on the Flight Attendant is 35mm setback. And that’s just along the effective edge. Since the nose is longer than the tail on that board, your setback along the overall length of the board will be significantly higher than that (at reference). But that longer nose shouldn’t matter too much when it comes to the park or groomers (just in powder) except in terms of swing weight.
So sticking with reference is what I would suggest for powder. But in the park you might want to be closer to centered, in which case, you could move your back binding up a notch if you wanted to narrow your stance or your front binding forward a notch if you wanted to widen your stance. Or move the back binding forward and the front binding forward equal amounts if you wanted to keep your stance the same. Just make sure you don’t end up going beyond centered along the effective edge. With the channel system you should have all the possibilities available to you.
I would say to either stick with reference and deal with that in the park. Or tweak your setback so that it’s closer to 15mm or 20mm to get a balance between park and powder. For the FA I think it would just be a little bit weird to have it centered. It’s certainly designed more for powder and bombing than it is for the park.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
Just a quick question. I’m thinking of getting yes the greats but I’m a little concerned about my stance on a assym board. I ride +18 -9 and I’m wondering if the assym board is more for duck stance +15 -15 riders. Will it be weird for me to ride with my stance?
Thanks
Hi Can
Thanks for your message. Yeah it’s recommended to use a mirror duck stance on asym boards like the Greats. That’s how you get the best out of it. But I’ve ridden asym boards with different angles and it hasn’t felt overly weird. I prefer to ride them with a mirror duck though. I haven’t ridden the Greats with anything but +15/-15 but I did ride a GNU Rider’s Choice (which is also asym) a couple of years back with a +18/-6 – and it’s certainly doable.
Hi Nate! Thanks for a good article!
I just bought a Salomon Sickstick 151 (2018) and wondering what stance would be best suited for me. I’m 178 cm (5.8f) and looking for a good all round feeling for both powder and park.
Cheers!
Hi Karl
Thanks for your message.
The Sickstick is unique in that it has a centered reference stance. But setback is measured along the effective edge, rather than the overall length of the snowboard – so whilst the reference stance is centered along the effective edge, you’re still setback on the overall length of the board. This is because the nose (260mm long) is longer than the tail (195mm long). So you’re already relatively setback as far as the overall length goes – so this is good for powder. But if you wanted more setback you can certainly do that, and that would give you more of a setback feel on groomers, and even more setback for powder. But I feel like staying centered will give you that more centered feel for the park, and you’ve already got that longer, wider nose and shorter, narrower tail to help with float in powder.
In terms of stance width – the reference stance is at 560mm, which would be fine for your height. So I would start out with the reference width (whether you decide to setback or not).
With both setback and stance width, I would experiment to see what’t the best feel for you. Always a good call to start with the reference stance and then go from there. I suspect the reference might be the best setup for you on this board, to best balance powder and park. Of course if you wanted you could also setback on powder days and stay centered for park days.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I have a Burton Custom Twin and I want to try setback stance a notch to see if it will help with carving. What you say? Do you think it may help carving or make it odd as it is a twin.
Hi Ahmet
You can setback on a twin – depending on positioning of the camber profile it can sometimes feel a little weird – but with the Custom Twin being all camber (assuming you don’t mean the flying V version) it shouldn’t feel too weird in terms of the camber profile.
The Custom Twin is also a little bit asymmetrical – which can make them feel weirder setback than other twins – but in the case of the Custom Twin, the asymmetry is just to do with the flex and not the sidecut. However, the positioning of the way that flex works and the positioning of the frost bite edges, might make it not optimum with too much of a setback stance – but I think it’s worth a try, if it feels too weird, then you can always just center it back up and you’ve learnt something – and it might feel ok. Typically setting back, in my experience, makes for better carving but you can still get good carves going centered. I would say there’s no harm giving it a try and seeing how it feels.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate, I have a Jones mountain twin and an setting up my bindings. I know it has a reference stance set back 20mm. At that stance it seems kinda wide. Should I leave it here like the manufacturer reccomends or adjust it? And how would I adjust it? Should I center it? Thank you
Hi Nick
Thanks for your message.
If you feel like the stance is too wide for you, one option would be to center it, by moving the back binding towards the center. But if you want to still have a setback stance (which there are advantages to doing so, like float in powder) then you could bring the front binding back towards the center. This would of course increase your setback stance – but it would also narrow your stance.
If you let me know your height, which length MT you have I could see if the stance width seems appropriate for you – although a lot of stance width does come down to personal preference.
The other thing is, that it’s always good to experiment. So you could try it at he reference stance and see how it feels and if it feels to wide adjust it and see what you like better.
Hope this helps
I currently ride a K2 Turbo Dream, and I find to to ride a little too “loose” and I think this may be due to the 3/4 setback on the board? I think the Rocker/Flat/Rocker shape of the board may play into this as well. I am looking to get something new, but I am not sure if I should be staying away from the setback, or if I should go back to Camber. I rode a Forum Destroyer 154 for years, and I recently switched to the K2 Turbo Dream 156. I am not a park rider at all, but I do enjoy an occasional butter or side booter off of a run or cat walk. What are your thoughts on this? Is the 3/4 setback the problem or the Rocker/Flat/Rocker shape? OR should I stay away from both?
Hi Chris
The setback isn’t likely to be the issue for a loose feel. But the camber profile will certainly effect how loose the board feels.
The Forum Destroyer has a Traditional Camber profile as far as I know. If that’s what you are used to then the Flat to Rocker shape of the Turbo Dream will feel looser in comparison.
So I wouldn’t worry about the setback (at least not for the purposes of looseness, the setback does affect other things though) but if you want something that doesn’t feel as loose, then I would go back to something with a Traditional Camber profile (All Camber) or a Hybrid Camber profile (Rocker/Camber/Rocker).
For something that you can still butter but that has that more camber dominant profile I would suggest something like an aggressive-all-mountain-freestyle snowboard. You can check out my list of what I think are the top 5 of that type of board at the link below. Check out the tables to see if the specs will suit your style of riding.
~ My Top 5 Aggressive All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards
Hope this helps