This list is for those that like their snowboarding hard, fast and uncompromising.
I have compiled what I think are the best 6 aggressive all-mountain snowboards currently on the market. This list has been update for the 2019-20 season.
As is tradition here at SnowboardingProfiles.com, each board will receive a rating out of 100.
How these Boards Compared
See how the top 6 compared to the averages in the stats below.
O.k. let’s get into the top 6!
AGGRESSIVE ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #6
Board: Capita Supernova
Price: View more info and current prices here
Flex: Medium-Stiff (6.5/10)
Rating: 83.7/100
Starting off the list in #6, we have the Capita Supernova.
The Supernova is great at the things you really want out of an aggressive all-mountain board - speed and carving - but it's also quite versatile outside of that.
It's the best equal in terms of riding powder, from this list, It's also the softest flexing and the lowest priced option on this list.
So, if you want something that's aggressive but want to still have a bit of versatility and want just a bit of a softer flex, and want to save some cash, this should definitely be on your radar.
Learn more on the Supernova in the video Below
Score Breakdown for the Supernova
RATING | Contribution to Final Score | |
|---|---|---|
CARVING/TURNS | 4.0 | 20/25 |
SPEED | 4.0 | 16/20 |
JUMPS | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
POWDER | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 3.5 | 7/10 |
PIPE | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SWITCH | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 83.7/100 |
AGGRESSIVE ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #5
Board: Endeavor Alpha
Price: View more info and current prices here
Flex: Stiff (8.5/10)
Rating: 84.3/100
Next is the Endeavor Alpha.
The Alpha is a new addition to the Endeavor line for 2020. Not something you'd want to go in powder more than just an inch or two (very short nose/tail and very subtle uplift nose and tail - the only redeeming feature powder-wise is that it's a little tapered).
But for carving & speed, this is an absolute beast. It's not a do-it-all kind of board, but if you just really want to charge hard all day, then this beast has you covered for sure.
Learn more on the Alpha in the video Below
Score Breakdown for the Alpha
RATING | Contribution to Final Score | |
|---|---|---|
CARVING/TURNS | 5.0 | 25/25 |
SPEED | 5.0 | 20/20 |
JUMPS | 3.0 | 9/15 |
POWDER | 2.0 | 6/15 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 3.0 | 6/10 |
PIPE | 3.0 | 6/10 |
SWITCH | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 84.3/100 |
AGGRESSIVE ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #4
Board: Jones Ultra Mountain Twin
Price: View more info and current prices here
Flex: Stiff (8/10)
Rating: 84.8/100
The second Jones offering in this list, the Ultra Mountain Twin isn't ultra-aggressive in terms of it's camber profile - there's reasonable amount of rocker in the profile, compared to the others on this list.
But there's still no mistaking it's aggressive nature. And that aggression comes from a rather stiff core. Noticeably stiffer and more aggressive than it's little brother, the Mountain Twin.
You can really bomb the mountain on this board and it lays a mean carve. But it's also still pretty good in powder. So, if you're looking for a stiff, aggressive and light-weight ride but still want decent float in pow - the UMT might be a good bet for you.
Learn more on the Ultra Mountain Twin in the video Below
Score Breakdown for the Ultra Mountain Twin
RATING | Contribution to Final Score | |
|---|---|---|
CARVING/TURNS | 4.0 | 20/25 |
SPEED | 4.5 | 18/20 |
JUMPS | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
POWDER | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 3.0 | 6/10 |
PIPE | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SWITCH | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 84.8/100 |
AGGRESSIVE ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #3
Board: GNU Billy Goat
Price: View more info and current prices here
Flex: Medium-Stiff (7.5/10)
Rating: 86.5/100
Coming in at #3, we have the Billy Goat. The Billy Goat is an awesome option for any hard charging rider.
You want a board that is going to handle on the steepest terrain? Then why not go with a goat! Fast, aggressive and balanced, this deck can handle whatever you throw at it.
Though there is some subtle rocker between the feet in the C3 camber profile on this board, it's barely noticeable. This is a camber dominant ride - and quite stiff too - not for the faint of heart - but if you want a board that can bomb and carve hard, and you're at an advanced level, it can take what you throw at it and will give it back in spades.
Check out the Video for More on the BillyGoat
Score Breakdown for the Billy Goat
RATING | Contribution to Final Score | |
|---|---|---|
CARVING/TURNS | 4.5 | 22.5/25 |
SPEED | 4.5 | 18/20 |
JUMPS | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
POWDER | 3.0 | 9/15 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 3.0 | 6/10 |
PIPE | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SWITCH | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 86.5/100 |
AGGRESSIVE ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #2
Board: Burton Custom X
Price: View more info and current prices here
Flex: Stiff (9/10)
Rating: 87.1/100
You want power, precision and speed? Then the Custom X should be on your radar.
Burton call this the most aggressive board in their line up (and I agree!) and with a stiff flex, directional shape and a traditional camber profile there’ll be nothing too steep, too fast or too gnarly for this bad boy.
It’s not the cheapest board on the market but you get a lot for the price in terms of tech and toughness.
Learn more on the Custom X in the video
Score Breakdown for the Custom X
RATING | Contribution to Final Score | |
|---|---|---|
CARVING/TURNS | 5.0 | 25/25 |
SPEED | 5.0 | 20/20 |
JUMPS | 3.0 | 9/15 |
POWDER | 2.5 | 7.5/15 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 3.0 | 6/10 |
PIPE | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SWITCH | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 87.1/100 |
AGGRESSIVE ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #1
Board: Slash ATV
Price: View more info and current prices here
Flex: Medium-Stiff (7.5/10)
Rating: 91.6/100
And the #1 spot goes to the Slash ATV!
This board only knows one way down the mountain – hard and fast. But should you want to do hard and fast airborne or riding switch then the ATV has you covered for that too!
But it's hard and fast without being dead/planky - it's got some real liveliness/spring to it.
It’s got a directional twin shape – which is what helps to make it pretty decent at riding switch – but everything else about this board is super aggressive. It’s super responsive, stiff and features a traditional camber profile with plenty of camber and plenty of pop.
This is all round just a killer deck and I had heaps of fun demoing it. It was one of those boards that I felt I didn’t have to get used to – it was awesome from the very first turn I made on it.
Learn more about the ATV in the video below
Score Breakdown for the ATV
RATING | Contribution to Final Score | |
|---|---|---|
CARVING/TURNS | 5.0 | 25/25 |
SPEED | 4.5 | 18/20 |
JUMPS | 4.0 | 12/15 |
POWDER | 2.5 | 7.5/15 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 3.0 | 6/10 |
PIPE | 4.5 | 9/10 |
SWITCH | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 91.0/100 |
Thanks for Reading
I hope this post has helped to narrow down the best aggressive all-mountain options for you.
Check out the links below each board for prices and more info on the boards.
Hi Nate,
Great article. I have been renewing my setup which I have been riding since about 2000. I now have the K2 Thraxis, Burton Cartels, but still have my Burton Custom 162 from about 2000. I am about 80kg 6′ set my bindings at -15 +15. I generally describe my riding as charging down the hill doing small carves but pointing downhill most of the time, I would say I am high intermediate to advanced on a good day. I am working on “proper” carving but not there yet. My kids are very good skiers and I have to go fast to keep up with them only really on groomed runs pretty much only backs. I like to ride switch and really like a directional twin, I don’t ride switch that much only front leg gets tired. I would like to stay with a camber board or mild hybrid and was looking at the ATV either the 159W or the 161, leaning towards the 159W, but I am starting to think it might be a bit too extreme for me. I am thinking about the Jones Frontier 162 or the K2 Manifest 160W but am concerned that I will outgrow them too quickly. The Salomon Assassin Pro also looks interesting. Any thoughts would be apreciated.
Hi Duncan
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing, I think this type of board is certainly where you want to be looking. But like you say it’s just whether or not the ATV is just that little step too far. That said, whilst it’s a very aggressive board when you want it to be, it’s not completely unforgiving, so it could be doable for you. The Frontier is certainly less board to manage. Could almost be not aggressive enough for what you’re describing. The Assassin Pro is still aggressive but that little bit more forgiving vs the ATV, so that’s certainly an option. The Manifest is also less aggressive than the ATV, but still can get quite aggressive on it. It’s not a board I liked that much, to be honest, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you wouldn’t.
Hard to say for sure if something like the ATV would be too advanced, but I would be leaning towards it being fine for you. The main reason is that you’re used to a 2000 Custom. I haven’t ridden anything from that era, but from what I hear boards from back then tended to be stiffer, more “plank of wood” like. And it would definitely have been all camber, so it’s not like you would have to get used to that on the ATV. The ATV is certainly stiffer than the modern day Custom, but not sure if it would be vs the 2000 Custom. Of course yours will most likely be considerably softer than when you first bought it in 2000.
Size-wise, I think that 159-161 range in terms of length is a good way to go for you. In terms of whether you needed to go wide, I’m not sure, but if you could let me know your boot size, I could give you my opinion on that. If you were to go Frontier, then the 162 is a good bet. It’s something you can ride a little longer.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Nate,
Thanks for your quick response. I meant to say that I am a size 11 in the Thraxis. My old custom is not that stiff anymore, compared to a new Burton custom camber 156W I tried on a demo day, a month ago. Turning was great on the new custom but i did not feel comfortable at speed. My old board definitely throws you out of a turn to you drop your weight on it. I pretty much discounted out the manifest after reading a couple more reviews a but saw that the K2 Broadcast 158W (waist 263mm, the regular boards are too narrow) seemed to be be suited to what I was looking for. I am 45 but in reasonable shape and not looking for something to different from what I am used too, I do have some concerns about riding a board shorter than 159. Frontier 162 does looks nice. I ride at on the east coast (Mont-Tremblant) it can be pretty icy here. I am would rather buy the Frontier or the ATV but the Assassin Pro is a better deal here at the moment, Broadcast is even cheaper. It is a tricky decision. Thanks for your input and great website.
Hi Duncan
Thanks for the extra info.
Yeah I would say go for the 159W if you were to go ATV, with 11 Thraxis. I think that would actually be a really good width for your boots – it’s not an overly wide wide board. The 161 would be pushing it, in terms of being too narrow, IMO.
The Frontier is wider at the inserts vs the waist width vs the ATV, so I think width-wise you’d be fine on the 162.
For the Assassin Pro, if you were to go 162, I’d say that would be wide enough too.
My estimations for width at inserts for those boards are:
ATV 159W – 269mm front insert, 270mm back insert
Frontier 162 – 270mm front insert, 273mm back insert (that’s at it’s reference stance which is quite narrow, if you were to say ride it at a 22″ stance instead, then I’d take a couple of mm off there)
Assassin Pro 162 – 268mm front and back inserts
Not sure about the older Custom, but for reference, the 2020 Custom 158W would be roughly 272mm at inserts.
I haven’t ridden the Broadcast, so I can’t say much there. But yeah, length-wise it’s getting on the small side. That said, it does have quite a lot of effective edge vs overall length, so there’s that in it’s favor.
Nate,
I greatly appreciate your help. I just bought the Assassin Pro 162. It was too much of a good deal, $100 cheaper than the Frontier and $140 cheaper than the ATV Slash, which is crazy since all the boards have the same retail price. I also prefer the idea of stability at speed of a longer 162 than riding the Slash 159W. The Frontier is a stunning board, but it looks like the Assassin is a bit more aggressive, which is I am looking for. I hope to ride the board next weekend, and will let you know how I get on. I found out my Custom was from 2003, waist is an incredibly skinny 249mm, which in reality was too narrow.
Thanks so much for your help, without out it, I would not have been so confident with the purchase and could have ended up with the wrong sized board.
Last thing – How come the Assassin Pro didn’t make it into the top 6 from your reviews it looks like it should be in there.
You’re very welcome Duncan and congrats on your new board!
Yeah Assassin Pro is in the aggressive all-mountain freestyle list – as you noted in your other comment. It’s something that’s kind of in between all-mountain freestyle and all-mountain, so it could potentially make this list if I changed categories, but it’s right in between categories, IMO, so I had to choose one. The main reason I went for the aggressive all-mountain-freestyle category is because it has a centered reference stance.
Just realized the Assassin Pro is in the Aggressive All Mountain FreeStyle section so delete the end of my last comment.
hello nate ,can you tell what the differences between burton custom x and amplid pentaquark would be? who do you think would be better? I go mostly on the road and so I want to know which would be faster but also stable at high speeds and which feels better at low speeds?
Hi Adrian
Thanks for your message.
Unfortunately I’ve never ridden any Amplid boards, so I couldn’t give you any first hand comparison there. It looks to be in the same kind of league, based on specs – stiff, lots of camber etc, but without having ridden it, I don’t know how it would go vs the Custom X
Thanks for the reply .thanks for the answer, you would recommend something better than custom x for speed and stability but be a little better and at low speeds. do you want to know that I’m just going to the resort?
Hi Adrian
Thanks for your message.
I can’t think of anything that’s better than Custom X for speed/stability that would be better for slower speeds. Those two things aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive, but typically a board that performs better at higher speeds will sacrifice slower speed performance – at least to some degree. I can think of boards that are close to as good at high speeds that are better at slower speeds, but not one that’re better at high speeds and at lower speeds.
What boards would you say are almost as good at high speeds but better at lower speeds than the Custom X? I have a 2015 Custom Camber now and was thinking about stepping up to the X. I ride mostly VT, PA, MA mountains with an occasional trip up to Canada. I was also thinking about the Superpig but wondered if a traditional length was just better than sizing down with the volume shift boards for overall stability.
Hi Wayne
Thanks for your message.
I would say the Slash ATV and Billy Goat fit what you’re describing. Not quite as good at high speeds as the Custom X, but pretty close – and better at slower speed, IMO. I haven’t ridden the Superpig yet, so not sure how that would compare.
Hope this helps
hello nate ,what would be the difference between burton custom x and Endeavour Alpha ?
Hi Catalin
Thanks for your message.
There are quite a few differences technically, but in terms of performance, I would say that the Custom X is a little better in terms of riding powder, and a little better for switch, but not a huge difference there. There is definitely a different feel to the 2 boards, but both awesome for charging and carving. The Custom X a touch stiffer, but both really quite stiff.
If you want the technical differences I can run them off for you, but those are the main performance differences, IMO.
Hope this helps
hello nate, who do you think is faster and more stable? and which can do better at low speeds?
Hi Catalin
Very little in it in terms of speed/stability. But if I had to choose, I would say the Custom X, but only by a hair. I would say the Alpha is better for slower speeds – still prefers higher speeds over lower speeds, but better at slower speeds than the Custom X, IMO.
tanks nate @
Hi Nate,
Great reviews! In my search for an aggressive all-mountain board I came across the Korua Otto. Have you had a chance to ride one of those? I’m curious as to how it stacks up against the list above, specifically the Slash ATV. Judging by the stats, I’m a little concerned about the width of the Korua (309mm – 268mm – 309mm at tip – waist – tail) with my size 10 boot.
Any thoughts?
Hi Jason
Thanks for your message.
Unfortunately, I don’t have any experience with Korua boards, so I can’t give you much. But, IMO, that’s too wide for 10s. I ride 10s and wouldn’t ride a board that wide, unless I was seriously sizing down in length. I take it it’s the 161 that you’re looking at and I’m guessing that’s not sizing down for you?
Thanks for the quick response! Yes, I was looking at the 161, but based solely on width, I started considering the 157, because it seems to be more standard widths. I’ve seen another review of this board and they claimed that in spite of the width “it works”. But I just can’t reconcile that and don’t feel like dropping $500 to see. So I think I’m gonna consider some of the other all-mountain suggestions to find both length and width that make sense.
I appreciate you taking the time to help myself and all the others.
You’re very welcome Jason. Hope you have an awesome season and let me know if you have any questions about other boards.
Hey Nate ,
I am 25 yr Veteran Rider. 6”2 150pd 10 Boot. I love charging hard and fast sometimes hitting jump and natural hits, not really euro carving but that quick edge to edge mini carve I love love, I have riding the older 05 06 Custom X and now want a Really Good Solid Upgrade compared to the X. Something that’s faster , lighter , more damp and more responsive. Which board(s) would you recommend ? I usually ride here (Icy East). Please help Thanks !!
Hi Danny
Thanks for your message.
In terms of response, I found the Custom X responded well, when you rode it fast and hard, but not so much when you were riding a little slower. So, if you’re looking for that quicker edge to edge at slower speeds, then there’s certainly some better options in that respect (it of course also depends on the bindings and boots – the Custom X is a rather stiff board and requires stiff, responsive bindings and boots, IMO).
In particular, from this list, the Slash ATV and Capita Supernova are quicker edge-to-edge. In terms of being lighter and more damp – the Supernova is really light but not ultra damp. It’s not un-damp, but it’s not hugely damp either. Typically with lighter means less damp – so you’ve gotta either sacrifice one for the other or find a middle ground. The ATV I haven’t weighed, but it doesn’t feel heavy on snow – but I would still say heavier than the Supernova for sure. But also a little damper too. The ATV, IMO, is better in hard/icy conditions than both the Custom X and Supernova, so everything combined, I would be leaning towards ATV for you.
The new Custom X is also likely to be lighter than the 05/06 model too.
Now, I haven’t ridden any of the Mystery boards, or anything ultra expensive like that or like the Jones Project X, so I don’t know if they would be any better, but that’s only if you have a massive budget!
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for your reply brother. Yea I was looking at the Slash ATV and the Aurora ? With that twin camber design ? Your super correct on the bindings and boot part. However this year I sold my Ions and my Union Atlas in which that was my set up all along X, ION , Atlas. This year I have the Union Falcors paired with a Adidas Accera ADV Boot. Hmm I’m thinking maybe a newer Custom X could be suitable to my riding style ? Someone recommended me the Capita Mercury and the Nitro Highlander ? I want your opinion first , thanks a bunch !!
Hey
I haven’t ridden the Highlander, so can’t really say about that one. The Mercury definitely a good board. It’s a little softer flexing than the others you’re considering – still not overly soft (6.5/10 by my feel). But it’s definitely light – and I’d say it would do the job. It’s not quite as aggressive as the likes of the ATV or Custom X, but you can still get pretty aggressive on it at times. Again not ultra damp, but damp enough.
Also, I haven’t ridden the Aurora, so I’m not sure how that compares either.
Honestly I forgot to tell you this I did so much research and found a company in Austria that makes pretty good boards so We did some emailing and I ended purchasing a Pentaquark. First time this year went up to Killington and kind you I did a nice loving Dominator Fx66 Race Hot Wax Job prior to using it .. but I was not impressed board felt too wide and at 159 with 9.0 side cut still was like a custom X maybe just alittle better carving action and dampening that’s about it. Don’t get me wrong I love the custom x like you said especially when you flying and your makin those quick edge to carves jumping of kickers thing is a beast. My only question is ATV , Aurora or New Custom X. No go on the Nova need the best tech )) even maybe a Brian Iguchi Pro Camber ? I heard that’s a really good board but more for pow right ? Let me know thanks man !!
Hi Danny
Thanks for the extra info.
Yeah the Brian Iguchi Pro has some things about it that are more suited to powder, but I wouldn’t say it’s purely a powder board by any means. I’ve only ridden the rocker version, but based on what I’ve ridden with other Arbor camber boards (they usually come in both rocker and camber) I’d say that the camber version is a better carver, more pop and not as good for powder. But also Arbor’s camber isn’t as aggressive as most camber. Their “system” camber is a more mellow take on camber, so if that sounds like your thing, then that could be an option. But if you prefer the more aggressive traditional camber, then it might not be.
In terms of the Pentaquark, do you know what the width is? Getting the size right for your new deck is also important. And what size is your current Custom X?
Hey Brother thanks for all the info I appreciate it man. The Pentaquark width is 260 which was literally 10mm wider than my 05 160cm X I literally had a advantage to a duck feet setup to avoid toe drag, I had just made it with a 10 Size boot.
Someone told me that the newer Xs are a lot less stiffer than the old ones ? However it seems like the X got alittle wider it’s at 254 now even for a 158cm.
After many research and your info I’m down to 2 boards Newer X or ATV… If you were me and was in the same situation I am my riding style which board would you pick ? Couple things I love about the x is that you are in total control when going fast , super quick edge to edge and the pop is so equal and damp. Still somewhat average on ice I never washed out before. The question is X or ATV. Also when all this research started back in August literally the first 5 people i talked too explaining them then situation.. they said go with a Kazu Pro ? I was alittle apprehend by that
because the Kazu is more pow oriented however the some reviewers shops and riders i talked to they said yes it would slay in Pow however it’s still a monster charger on groomers as well, but I did hear Kazu rode the X then made his own board. Thanks again !!
Hi Danny
Yeah the newer X got a little wider, overall. I don’t know about softer flexing – maybe compared to 05/06, but it’s still a very stiff board, IMO. The ATV is also pretty stiff, but just that bit more forgiving.
The Kazu Pro is definitely more powder oriented than the likes of the X and ATV, but they’re not wrong, it does rip groomers too. I wouldn’t say it’s in the same realm in terms of stiffness as the Custom X though. More like 6.5/10 flex, by my feel – but I rode a shorter size last time I rode it (154) but have ridden the 157 too previously. Not quite to the same level in terms of carving or stability at speed either, but the Custom X is high on that ladder so that says more about the X than the Kazu. The Kazu I would consider 4.5/5 for speed and 4/5 for carving. But it is super light (as most high-end Capita boards are) and quick edge-to-edge for sure. Super fun in trees. More maneuverable at slower speeds vs the X. I’d say good pop without being epic, but certainly good – and overall great for jumps (approach landing, everything). Not the best for switch take off/landing, but doable.
But yeah Kazu certainly more directional than the X or ATV and more suited for powder than those 2, but does rip groomers too. Kazu is a mildly wider than average board, but not super wide by any means – and the width at the back insert is less than it is on the front insert, because of the taper.
If you were to stick with a 160 length, you’d be looking at around 264mm at the front insert and around 261.5mm on the back insert (257mm at the waist). At a guess I would say the Custom X 05/06, would be roughly 259mm at the inserts (but I haven’t measured anything going back that far so would just be a guess. You could double check for yourself. Make sure to measure on the base side not the top sheet – outside of metal edge to outside of metal edge). From what you’re saying it sounds like the Pentaquark felt a little wide and your 2006 X is too narrow – so I think it would give you a nice middle ground. The same could be said for the new Custom X. If you were to go 158, then it would be roughly 263mm at the inserts. The 162 would be roughly 265mm at the inserts. The ATV in the 158 is 262mm at the inserts (that’s the size I rode for the 2020 model) and in 161 would be roughly 264mm at inserts. So width-wise any of those options, you’re getting something a little wider overall than your X, but still narrower than the Pentaquark.
Personally I would be leaning towards either Kazu, if you’re willing to sacrifice a little in terms of carving and are happy to go with something with a taper, and gain a bit more in terms of maneuverability at slower speeds or ATV to get a kind of middle ground between the X and Kazu, in terms of carving, maneuverability and to get a little more edge-hold in harder conditions – and if you’re looking to stay for a more directional twin shape. That said, I don’t think there is a bad decision here at all. As going with the new X is definitely not a bad move either. But that’s where I’d be leaning.
hi danny, couldn’t you tell us more about the amp, is it faster and more stable than custom x?
Hi,
I al 1.8 m tal, 74 kg foot size 10 US
Want to go for jones flagship 2018 model
Should i go for a 158 of 159 wilde
70 pct of the time in piste.
Been bording for 10 years
Thx
Peter
Hi Peter
I would go 158 for you.
The width at inserts on the 2019 Flagship 158 (I didn’t ride the 2018 but those 2 models have the same dimensions, it’s just the 2020 that has different dimensions) are 263mm at the back insert and 260mm at the front insert. Since your binding angle on your back foot is likely to be the same or at a lesser angle, having more width at the back insert is a good thing. But yeah in general, I don’t think you would have any issues with the width of the 158. If you have quite long profile boots, a very straight back binding angle and like to carve really high on your edges, then I might consider the 159W but otherwise, I would go with the 158.
Hope this helps with your decision
hello nate which snowboard is more stable and faster between burton custom x and jones flagship? I want you to know that I never go to powder, never off piste ,
Hi Catalin
If you’re not going in powder and just want to charge fast and carve hard, then the Custom X is better for that. It’s more stable at speed, IMO. The Flagship is also very stable at speed but not to the same extent (though I’m talking the 2020 Flagship – the 2019 and earlier Flagships were pretty close to the Custom X in terms of stability at speed). I would say the Flagship has better glide. The base on the flagship just glides super well. But in terms of out and out speed, in terms of stability, if you’re not riding powder, then I’d go Custom X. Especially so, comparing 2020 models.
Hope this helps
thanks for the reply, you do a wonderful thing with this site, it is the gold mine for snowboard lovers, I tend to buy custom x, I have 173 cm height and a weight of 80 kg, what size would you recommend for Burton custom x? would you recommend a site to buy this snowboard /?
Hi Catalin
For you, I would go for the 158, assuming boot-size of US10 or less. If it’s more like 10.5, then it’s on the cuff, and if you’re on US11s or up, I would go 158W. If you’re in the US or Canada, then check out the links at the end of my Burton Custom X Review.
Or if you’re in Europe you could check out:
>>Burton Custom X at Blue-Tomato.com
Hi Nate,
I’ve been looking at your site for a while now and love the content and in depth breakdown you provide for snowboarders of all levels.
I’ve been snowboarding for a couple of seasons now and absolutely love it and was considering getting a board since I want to progress my riding. I spoke with a few guys at local shops (I’m from Australia btw) and they were mentioning some intermediate boards that they thought would be good starting boards, like the Jones Frontier (previously explorer).
Just wanted to get your views around whether you think this board is a good board to progress on and whether you think the learning curve would be too steep or whether it’s a good board to ride on for a higher level beginner/intermediate.
Also, I’m 173cms and weigh 68kgs (150 pounds) and have a us size 9 shoe. Would you be able to recommend a suitable pairing of bindings and boots if I were to purchase the Jones Frontier.
Thanks in advance and keep up the great work!
Kelvin
Hi Kelvin
Thanks for your message.
Whilst the Frontier/Explorer isn’t the worst option for high-end beginners – and whilst it’s the least aggressive of the boards on this list, for sure, it’s also not what I would call the ideal choice. I would say more for solid intermediate and up. I rode the Frontier 2020 (it’s the same as the previous Explorer but I hadn’t rode the Explorer for a couple of seasons, so I wanted to get back on it) and whilst I wouldn’t say it’s overly catchy, it’s not the most un-catchy either. So yeah, not the worst choice, but a steeper learning curve than some other options for sure. For more on what I thought of the Explorer check out the following (haven’t published my Frontier review as yet).
>>Jones Explorer Review
If you did go for the Explorer, I would go with the 152. I would say around 155 is a good all-mountain length for you, once you’re at a more advanced level, but as a high-end beginner, 152 would be the most suitable – and the width would be good on the 152 for 9s too.
For some other options, if you decide not to go with the Frontier:
>>Top 10 Intermediate Snowboards
Hope this helps with your decision
The Slash ATV is the bomb on East Coast ice. Holds a better edge than any board I’ve owned, Lib Darker, Yes PYL, and better than the Custom X in my opinion. Their version of Magnetraction called Ultimate Traction is the best, you can’t really feel it but it’s there when you need it. It pairs great with the Burton Genesis X bindings.
Hi Phil
Thanks for your input. Great to get an East Coast perspective
Hi Nate I am 6’1” 230pounds size 11
I am currently deciding between the Custom X 166w or the Jones Carbon Flagship 165w .
I was previously riding the XV 168w and loved it. Specially the reverse flex profile. Actually didn’t think it was stiff at all, maybe because of my weight.
From what I can tell they are quite similar, with the difference that the Custom X would go a bit better for carving and the Flagship better in Pow?
Now if I do 70% Carving and 30% Freeride would the Custom X be appropriate or should I go for the Flagship? I do only occasionally get to Freeride but when I go I go hard and steep and I like to have a board that can handle it really well.
I also like my boards to be super responsive and enjoy eurocarving the other 70% of the time when there is no pow to Freeride. I especially like really really good edge hold on icy and hard snow. I don’t skid turns. Always on edge 😉
Would be great if you could let me know if you think I should go for the Custom X or the Carbon Flagship or if you have any other board in mind that you could suggest.
Thanks
Hi Suebo
Thanks for your message.
Because it sounds like you do like to get out into the pow whenever possible, I think the Carbon Flagship would be better overall. Especially the 2019 model. The 2020 model is a little different – it now has more taper and is more powder oriented and less carvy. So, if you’re looking at the 2020 model, just something to keep in mind. That said, it’s still not something that doesn’t carve well – but just not as aggressive carving as the 2019 model. Also note this is all based on the Flagship and not Carbon Flagship, as I haven’t ridden the Carbon model. So the Carbon is likely to be stiffer and a little more aggressive than the regular flagship.
I would personally go for the Carbon Flagship for what you’re describing. The Custom X is a carving machine, so, IMO, you wouldn’t be getting as good a carver, but still a good carver and all-round more suited to what you’re describing.
Another option would be the Burton Flight Attendant. A little softer flexing (and to me a little softer than the XV) but to me a better carver than flagship – not far off the Custom X in terms of carving but with better off-groomer pedigree.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate
Really informative site. Like most people am contacting you as am in a bit of a purchasing dilemma!
I am a good intermediate to advanced rider, I used to ride a Burton Custom with Cartel bindings (2006 model), but have been renting recently after wearing it out.
I was planning on just buying another Custom and Cartels, but then started reading some reviews which seem to imply that the Custom has fallen behind some of the competition a bit recently.
From your categories, my priorities are Carving,Speed,Powder and uneven terrain (ski friends keep dragging me into moguls!). I don’t really do park and do some occasional jumps off terrain and a little bit of switch which I want to improve.
I am 6’2 and 75kgs (probably 80 with gear on). I am wearing Flow Talon boots (size US 11).
Reading from your site, sounds like my options still are
1. A Burton Custom
2. Yes Standard (though seems harder to source in the UK)
3. Jones Mountain Twin
4. Jones Explorer.
What do you think would be best for me?
I really like the cartel bindings from previously, so almost certainly would buy the reflex version of those, would you recommend large?
Many thanks
Jon
Hi Jon
Thanks for your message.
I think those are really good options based on what you’re describing. You could look at something a little more freeride if you wanted, but since you want to improve on your switch I think going all-mountain is a good call.
Personally I don’t find the Custom (or anything that’s all camber really) that good in powder. It’s doable, but if you’re in powder a lot, then you might appreciate something like the Standard, Mountain Twin or Explorer vs the Custom. But if you’re not in powder that much, or if you’re happy with how the Custom goes in powder, then otherwise, the Custom still certainly an option.
The Standard is pretty hard to source anyway at the moment. It’s a board that tends to sell out before the end of the season.
Size-wise, I would say the following:
– Custom: 158 or 158W
– Mountain Twin: 157 or 158W
– Explorer: 159 or 161W (this is a board that is best ridden a bit longer)
– Standard: 156 (this is a board that is best ridden a bit shorter – depending on boot size – but with 11s, at your specs, the 156 would be the best bet)
But….
What you’re used to also comes into the sizes as well. If you’re used to something considerably longer or shorter, then take that into account as well.
As for width, with 11s you’re kind of on the cuff. If you ride with +15/-15 angles or similar, then you might be able to get on the regular width options. Also, if you’re used to riding regular width and you’ve never encountered any issues, then that’s something else to take into account.
So, if you can let me know the size of your old Custom – and what you’ve been renting, that would be helpful and maybe we need to adjust those sizes.
For Cartels, with Flow 11s, I would go for Large.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate, I’m a medium level rider who likes carving very much. I was looking for a very fast and extreme board to improve my carving technique, when I came across your review. I liked so much your description of the Slash Atv that I decided to buy it. I’ve tried it on the Etna volcano in Sicily, and I’m really impressed about the lack of speed limits of this board, thanks to its stiffness. It’s really a beast. It knows only one speed: the maximum. And what about carving? It really slash the snow. I’m very happy of it. Thank you very much for your precious advices.
Hi Gianni
Thanks for your message.
You’re very welcome and glad I could help you find your board – and awesome that you’re digging the ATV! A fun board for sure.
Hey, Nate. Thanks for all this awesome feedback. I’m an old fat guy now but been a snowboarder for over 20 years. I wouldnt call myself and expert by any means but i’d feel comfortable saying i’m a hardcore veteran at being intermediate. Live in Midwest which means i ride 90% of my season on groomers/choppy groomers and i stay away from jumps and the park. I do one trip a year to Salt Lake. I’m currently riding a Jones Explorer with the burton step ons and love it. My question to you. Is it a benefit to have multiple boards? For someone like me that rides midwest and doesn’t have a lot of condition variance other than fresh groomed and chop is there any benefit other than having one board to bomb and another to carve? And maybe just wanting another toy? lol
Hi Jason
Thanks for your message.
– love it!
Never any harm in having more boards! But seriously, probably not that necessary if you’re not using them for hugely different purposes. In saying that, there’s nothing stopping you from getting another board, if you just want another toy, of course. And to get a different feeling board, but yeah, not a huge amount of benefit from it, IMO.
Hi Nate,
I’m struggling a bit choosing the right snowboard as I usually spend half of the time on manmade snow (hard / icy / groomers or chopped groomers), and half of the time on backcountry / powder as in Niseko. No Park but sometime tube.
I read lots of your reviews, which are super helpful! It seems to me Yes PYL and Burton Flight Attendant are better than Burton Custom X / Yes Standard in such conditions. But I’m open to others as well. Which is your top pick? And for your top pick, what length should I choose? (My height 5’8, weight 150lbs, shoe size 9.5)
Your thoughts and insights would be very helpful!
Hi Ray
Thanks for your message.
Given that need something that’s good in icy conditions and good in powder, I would go for the PYL. The Standard would also work, but the PYL is better in powder. The Flight Attendant is better in powder, but not as good in hard/icy conditions (not bad, but not as good as Standard/PYL, IMO).
For the PYL, the 156 would be the best size for you, IMO. And a really good size for you for that board, IMO.
Hope this helps
Nate
Need a bit of advice on a new board. I am 51 years young and currently riding my trusty Arbor 163w Round House, full chamber , width waist is 262, machine. I groom and powder ride when I can, around 10 to 15x time a year. No pipe, moguls, or parks. I am an advanced rider, 6 ft, 205lb with size 12 burtons. I have been looking at and arbor, custom wide, or lib Tec trs hp or hot knife.
Your thoughts and insights would be very helpful
Hi Todd
Thanks for your message.
If you’re looking to stay full camber and aggressive, then the Brian Iguchi Camber or Coda Camber would be good Arbor options.
The Hot Knife is basically also all camber (some very subtle rocker between the feet). It’s softer flexing than something like the Arbor boards mentioned above. The TRS has more rocker in the profile, so a looser, more playful feel. The Hot Knife isn’t great in powder, IMO, but neither are the Coda Camber or TRS, compared to other boards. The Iguchi Camber a little better but still not great – but if you don’t see powder that much, should be fine.
Powder-wise
Iguchi – 3/5
TRS – 2.5/5
Coda Camber – 2/5
Hot Knife – 2/5
Size-wise, sticking with something around that 161 – 163 range is a good idea, IMO. But
For some other options, check out:
>> My Top 5 Freeride Snowboards
Or if you were wanting to check out something a little more forgiving/playful, check out:
>>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
writing from germany and very glad I found your page.
Been on a Bataleon Goliath and Gnu Zoid the last years and looking for a new set-up after selling them.
I’m 6’4 and 189 lbs and I am mainly riding groomers (90%) and powder (10%). No Park. I am snowboarding since 16 years and would rate me as an high-end intermediate to advanced rider.
As most of my friends are skiing I am looking for a an aggressive all-mountain board, which I can charge but one that isn’t too exhausting. I have good offers for the Jones Explorer 161w, the Jones Mountain Twin 161w and 164w and the Ultra Mountain Twin 161w and 164w.
As the 2019 UMT seems to be stiffer (9/10) than the last years models and we often have very slushy snow on spring afternoons I have some doubts, if it might be too stiff and catchy for me.
Would you say, that the Explorer might be the best or a good option regarding quick edge to edge, stability at high speed and forgivingness?
Another question: I own a pair of Photon Boas and looking for matching and responding bindings for one of the boards above.
Have been thinking about the Burton Cartel, Genesis X and Now Drive. Which one would you recommend?
Thanks in advance and greetings from bavaria!
Stefan
Hi Stefan
Thanks for your message.
Based on what you’re describing, I think the Explorer would be your best option. The Mountain Twin would also work, but I would be leaning towards the Explorer. The Ultra Mountain Twin is quite a stiff board now, and might be more fatiguing than you are wanting it to be. So, I would go for the Explorer.
Size-wise, I think the 164W would be the best size for you for the Explorer. If you were to go UMT, then the 161W might be the better option as that would negate some of the stiff-ness. And the Mountain Twin would be a weight up between 161W and 164W. But the Explorer is something that is better ridden a little longer (due to less effective edge compared to overall length), so I would prefer to see you on the 164W for that model. The 161W would certainly be doable for you, so it’s still an option.
The 161W Explorer would be a more forgiving ride and more maneuverable at slower speeds but won’t be as stable at speed or float as well in powder as the 164W.
In terms of bindings, I would take a look at the following, which would be a good match for the Explorer, IMO.
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
But the Cartel’s would still certainly work for it too (the Genesis X are on that list). I don’t test NOW bindings currently, so I couldn’t say with those, but the flex rating, assuming it’s accurate would be fine.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thank you very, very much!
Unfortunately my local dealer only can get me the Explorer 161w, the 164w is sold out.
The Mountain Twin would be available in 161w and 164w.
So, in this case, would you recommend to go with the shorter 161w Explorer or switch to the MT (161w or 164w).
Thanks in advance!
Hi Stefan
I would go with the Mountain Twin in the 161W or 164W vs the Explorer in the 161W for you.
Between the 161W Mountain Twin and the 164W Mountain Twin, it’s a tight call, but I would be leaning towards 161W, but both would work. The main reason I would be leaning towards 161W is that you’re on groomers 90% of the time. If you were in powder/backcountry more often, then the 164W would become more appealing.
Thank you so much!
One last question:
Yesterday I went to the shop to order the MT 161w and got told, that my local dealer got some new Jones Flagships in several lengths.
Would this be a better option than the Mountain Twin, as it should be less stiff than last years Flagships and I won’t be in the park?
Thanks!
Hi Stefan
The Flagship is still quite a stiff board – as stiff as previous years by my feel (and according to Jones’ specs). They’ve made the core a little lighter but as far as I know it’s not any softer. When they changed factories (which I think was between 2016 and 2017) it became a little more forgiving. But the 2019 model vs 2018 model hasn’t softened, in my experience. It’s very similar in terms of stiffness to the Ultra Mountain Twin.
So, apart from that stiffness, it would certainly be suitable for you, but since it sounds like you don’t want something too stiff, then that would be the one thing.
Thanks so much for the quick reply Nate!
The SLX are actually pretty compact compared to any other Salomon boot. I also have a pair of DriverXs I use on real ice days(we get plenty on the ice coast:(
The PYL is a 260 waist width which still provides quite a bit of overhang. I’m pretty entranced by a super wide board now because deep carves are what I’ve been working of for years and bootout and toe and heel drag have always been my nemesis; I’ve never had an issue getting edge to edge super fast on anything. Donek spec’d me at a 157 and a 285 waist width. I’m going to head out to Colorado and demo a board the first week of January and will report back then. I’m also hoping to find a PYL to demo, or something similar, while there.
Thanks again for all you do. This site is the wiki of Snowboarding!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Hey Jeremy
You’re very welcome.
Yeah would be awesome to hear how you go on the Donek. That sounds really wide, so I’m very interested to hear what you think.
Hi Nate,
I’m currently riding a 2015 Rossi XV Magtek 163. I’m 43 175lbs 5’9” been riding 18 years, skiing 38. I use Salomon SLX 10s and Flow NX2-GT bindings. My favorite thing to on the mountain is carve and play on groomers. Last year, as I’ve gotten even deeper into the carves, toe and heel drag, and even full boot out, has become an issue. I’ve been looking for something wider than the XV. Don’t get me wrong, for east coast riding, the XV has been great and so can Force good carves with it, but I need something better.
I’ve ridden the CustomX plenty of times. Great carves but still not very wide. Also sucks switch or butters. In your lineup, I’m leaning towards the PYL. I have to ask: what do you think about Donek boards? I follow Ryan Knapton and he seems to swear by his custom setup.
Hi Jeremy
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing, I think the PYL would work really well for you. If you’re looking for extra width, then the 160W is probably the best bet – and I think that’s a good length for your specs too. You would have to get used to less effective edge, compared to the 163 XV, but otherwise I think that size would suit you well, given that you’re having boot drag issues. And I would be surprised if that wasn’t wide enough to counter those issues.
The other thing, is to go for a more low profile boot, which would give you more leeway. I haven’t heard of the Salomon SLX, but Salomon boots in general tend to have a longer outersole than the average boot. If you looked at something from Adidas, Vans, Burton or Ride, that would give you a bit more leeway – and might even work with your current board, depending on the what the outersole of the SLX is like. But if you want to keep the boots the same, I imagine the 160W PYL should still be wide enough – and a board that sounds like it would suit your purposes well.
I haven’t had any experience with Donek boards – but the idea of a custom setup is one I like. To get things just right for your specs. But I can’t comment on the quality of Donek boards, or which one might suit you best.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I’m glad that I found this article. It helped me a lot in choosing the right snowboard.
I bought Jones Explorer. Now I’m trying to find right bindings that will fit it.
I’m considering between Union Strata and Union Falcor (again thanks to your other reviews).
Union Strata has similar flex but maybe according to my inclinations towards carving and freeride I should choose Union Falcor.
To be honest I will be riding mostly on groomers this season but still will be trying to do some freeriding (which I haven’t been doing before). Still I’ll be trying to carve more aggressively. Maybe I need more responsive bindings or maybe Strata is enough for me.
I would be extremely grateful for your opinion.
Neverthless, you’re doing great job – you’re site is a great source of snowboard knowledge for me. Keep on going 🙂
Hi Maciej
Thanks for your message.
Both the Strata and the Falcor would work for sure. The Falcor is more responsive and stiffer but still has great board feel. The Strata is still got really good response but just a little more forgiving/surfy. The Falcor certainly the more aggressive option. So, from what you’re describing, both would work but leaning towards the Falcor.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
i read a lot of information from this site. Your work is awesome.
I have little problem in these days.
I bought Burton Custom X – ver. 2018 for 400 EUR few week ago. I think its perfect price for new one.
Today (black friday) i see that one shop has good action for Yes Standard and Jones Mountain Twin 2019 both for 400 EUR. I was looking for these two but one of our shop had good price for Burton.
Im from Europe. My height is 173cm and weight 85kg. Im advanced snowboarder ridiging for 10 years. Usually i ride slope and a little of powder in High Tatras or Alps. Slope is sometimes icy.
I would like to know your opinion on these 3 snowboard, which one is good for me but i already bought Burton – i always can sell it 🙂
Thanks for your opinion.
Good luck
Hi Andrej
Thanks for your message.
I would say that the YES Standard would be the best of the 3 in terms of hard/icy conditions. But the Custom X is one of the better Burton boards in hard conditions, IMO. And the Mountain Twin is decent too. If you like the idea of a quite stiff camber dominant board, that is going to be great for hard charging, riding fast and carving and decent in powder, but not really that good for slowing down and playing around with, then I would stick with the Custom X.
But if you’re more looking for an all-rounder that can do a bit of everything. And that you can slow down and ride casually when you feel for it, then the Standard and Mountain Twin are going to be better options.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hi Nate,
Very good review, indeed. I already have a Salomon Super 8 for the powder days and was tempted by the Capita Supernova for carving/charging down on icy groomers. Unfortunately, for 18/19 Capita has not released Supernova and the 17/18 model is a rare find here in Europe. What board would you recommend if I were looking for the characteristics of the Supernova? Thanks,
Hi Abel
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, no Supernova for 18/19.
I would say that the ATV and Custom X would be close equivalents. Certainly not exactly, but they have similar flex and camber profiles. In terms of sidecut & effective edge, the Custom X is more similar than the ATV, which has a tighter side-cut and less effective edge (compared to overall length). So yeah, I would say one of those 2, would be the closest equivalent at the moment.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Great review and great feedback. I think it is getting rare to see reviewer answering people’s question so diligently.
Currently, I am looking for a board for daily uses, mostly carving and small jump, no park.
I live on the east coast, so I need something to deal with the ice pack here.
I am choosing between Yes PYL, Yes Optimistic and Jones Flagship. I am an intermediate rider trying to perfect my carving skills. Which one would you recommend or what are your thoughts?
Hi Robert
Out of those 3, I would choose the PYL. The main reasons are that:
1. I think it’s the best for jumps out of the 3
2. It’s the most suited to an intermediate level out of the 3
3. It’s the best in icy conditions out of the 3
In saying that, it’s still at the upper end for an intermediate level. But the Flagship and partcularly the Optimistic are less suitable for intermediate. I would say that the PYL is appropriate for a high-end intermediate rider who is bordering on advanced. For the other two I would suggest being already at an advanced level.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge here! I’ve learned a lot from your reviews and comments.
I am about to by a board that can ride switch , send it side ways and take my freestyle out of the slope (doing stuff on back country) . Also, i am intermediate to advanced rider. I am more to Jones Ultra Mountain Twin, am i see the rigth board ?
Hi George
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, the Ultra Mountain Twin would work for that for sure, IMO. Also the Jones Explorer and Capita Mercury (UMT if you want something stiffer and the Explorer and Mercury for slightly less stiff options).
Or you could look at something like the Capita Kazu Kokubo – not as competent at switch (but close) and better in powder – and designed to be freestyle in backcountry.
Not the only options of course, but all options that would work for that purpose, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge here! I’ve learned a lot from your reviews and comments.
I’m picking up my ‘old’ hobby after several years with small kids and would like to renew my gear. I’m 47 years, 6’2″ (188 cm) tall, 180 lbs (81 kg). I would regard my self as an advanced snowboard rider, but out of shape now after many years with family life.
My current board is a Salomon 550 freeride board from 2000, 164 cm long. It’s still really good, but chatter a bit at high speeds. I would really like a board for speed, carving, the occational small jumps on the side of the tracks, and the occational powder. No half pipe or park here. Oftentimes the conditions will be icy snow. I was torn between all-mountain and aggressive all-mountain boards, also looking into freeride boards. I considered the Rossignol One, but that would leave with a wide board (shoe size US 10/10.5), so now I’m not sure anymore.
What would your suggestions for me be?
Hi Per-Chr
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of length, I think something around 161, 162 would be a good length for you. You could still go for something up to 164 if you wanted, but you could down size a little as well.
For the Rossi One, the longest non-wide is 159 unfortunately. That certainly wouldn’t be excessively small for you by any means, but on the small side, especially if you’re used to a 164. Width-wise, assuming you got into 10s for your boots, you would fit on the Rossignol One – and even with 10.5s you might be ok, depending on binding angles. If you ride with angles like +15/-15 or something with a reasonable angle on the back foot, then even 10.5s would be fine on something like the One 159. But I’m guessing you’d prefer to go longer than that.
I think something like the Jones Explorer 162 would be a good option – it’s kind of in between an all-mountain and aggressive all-mountain. In hard/icy conditions it’s good but not as good as something like the Rossi One (I’d say 4/5 in hard conditions, compared to 5/5 for Rossi One).
The Slash ATV 161, GNU Billy Goat 162 would also be good options – and again I’d say 4/5 in terms of hard/icy conditions – but more aggressive than the Explorer.
And of course if you wanted to stick with Salomon – the Man’s Board 162 (which I would also say 4/5 in hard/icy conditions).
Going more all-mountain, the Mountain Twin, Never Summer West and Slash Brainstorm would all work too – just a little softer flexing/more playful in terms of both flex and camber profiles.
For Freeride, the YES PYL would be a great choice – great in hard/icy conditions too. Better than most freeride boards for side-hits as well, in my experience. The Rossignol XV is great in those conditions and another good option. The Never Summer Chairman and Jones Flaghip are also good in hard/icy, IMO (4/5) but not quite as good as YES PYL and Rossi XV.
Hope this gives you more info to go off and let me know if you want to know more to narrow your options down
Thanks a lot Nate! Yes you’re guessing right, – I prefer going longer than 159 so the Rossi One is off my list. My reason for bying a new board is that I want to ride faster and enjoy carving (and quick edge to edge turning, – not switching) more than I feel mye current board allows me. But it’s really hard to estimate what I’ll get as I only have one reference (the Salamon 550) with no specs about stiffness etc. I know it has a 4000 sintered base and is a high end directional board, and that it’s described as “easy, quick, responsive, snappy, suited for light, technical finesse riders”. I still enjoy the board, but it lags behind in the speed/carving department, so my dream board would be a stick that blended the qualities of my Salomon whith better stability and speed capabilities. Do you still think Jones Explorer tics the boxes for me? As I understand, it will be forgiving at lower speeds (compared to the Flagship among others), which is a good thing for me as I also will be cruising alongside my kids some of the time.
I also find myself being drawn to the Yes PYL. This is the side of me that wants to ride alone in my own (fast) pace, to press and charge hard. On the other hand, I don’t want a dedicated bomber either.
Thanks again for helping me narrow my options down further.
Hi Per-Chr.
In my experience, the Explorer is one of those boards that can ride aggressively but is also something that’s more forgiving at slower speeds. Not to the point that a soft beginner board or freestyle type board is, but more so than others with similar flex and camber.
I would say that the PYL is quicker edge-to-edge than the Explorer but the Explorer isn’t bad in that department, it’s just that the PYL is really up there as one of the quickest responding boards I’ve ridden. It’s really nimble (compared to other boards of its type, it was the best I rode going through tight trees) given it’s flex and for a stiffer freeride board, it’s something that’s not too tricky when riding slower – not as forgiving at slower speeds as the Explorer but not too far off either.
Thanks again! I know you haven’t reviewed it, but how does the Yes Optimistic fit in here? I have trouble finding PYL and Explorer around here, but have a chance to pick up an Optimistic 2019 157 demo for half of full price.
Hi Per-Chr
The Optimistic is certainly quite aggressive and is quick edge to edge. It’s stiffer than the PYL but it’s something you ride shorter than you normally would. It’s a short/wide (so wider but shorter than normal). Something that I really like for the trees. So yeah, given that you’re used to a 164, and I’d say 161, 162 is a good way to go, for the Optimistic, the 157 would be a good way to go.
Hi Nate
I’m an ex competitive surfer with 40yrs experience in the water, so I totally realize board selection is a personal thing (I’m sure you’ll agree). Reason I’m saying this is that I have my eye on the T.Rice pro as a all round pow/groomer/all mountain charger, yet it’s not on the list and judging from product reviews elsewhere, it’s the bees knees of all mountain boards. I read a review of the board on another website where one person said he sold his whole quiver except for his Custom X and uses the Pro almost exclusively.
Apologies if you’ve already reviewed/included the T.Rice Pro elsewhere on the site.
Hi Don
Yeah – board selection is a personal thing. But one reason it’s not in this list is that I categorize it as an aggressive-all-mountain-freestyle board.
And the main reason it didn’t make that list for me, is just that I found it a lot of effort to get turns going quickly on it. Edge-to-edge was a bit of an effort to get going quickly and it felt a bit heavy on snow to me. Now, like you say it’s an individual thing and I have heard others rave about it. Overall, I enjoyed the ride but that was the one thing that held it back for me. But I think I would have preferred the 155 (I rode the 157) – and even though I would normally go 157, 158 for this type of board, the T Rice Pro is a little wider, and I think the 155 would have been a better size for me on balance – and that would make it feel lighter/quicker edge-to-edge. Others might also be more athletic than me in terms of leg/core strength, power to weight ratio, that kind of thing, which makes a difference too.
You can read more in my review of the T Rice Pro at the link below if you’d like:
>>Lib Tech T Rice Pro Review
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate. Yip, I’ve heard it’s not the easiest board to ride. You’re super fortunate to ride all these boards and make comparisons. Problem for people like me is I do 3 weeks in Europe once a year and there’s very few to no demo’s. Would be magic to try various boards like you do, not so much to assist in making the right purchase, but to get the most out of snowboarding. Gonna read your T Rice pro review, thanks again.
You’re very welcome Don.
Would be interested to hear what you end up going with.
Nate,
I just stumbled across your site and am really enjoying your reviews and insights. Quick stats: 5’10”, 175lbs, size 10 Salomon Malamutes, Burton CO2 bindings, been riding for 20+ years.
I’m looking at retiring my 2011 NS Heritage (158) at the end of this season, and am hoping to grab a new board when they go on sale. That board has been really fun and works well for my riding style. I think I’ve narrowed my choices down to a NS West or a Jones Explorer (159s), but am open to suggestions. I’m looking for any additional advice you could give that you haven’t already covered in your (very detailed) reviews. I’m on the west coast, and ride Mammoth for the most part, but make trips out to CO, UT, etc every other year or so. I pretty much ride everything except park, but prefer steep and deep (who doesn’t) and trees, and am always down to pack my snowshoes and hike. I also ride switch groomers a bunch when I’m cruising with the wife, so my board needs to be at least competent switch. Last thing, I have no cartilage left in my lead knee, so a damp board that helps eliminate some chunder is a definite plus.
Thanks in advance.
Leif
Hi Leif
Thanks for your message.
I think you’re bang on in terms of those boards for how you ride and 159 is the size I would recommend for both for you as well. Though the Explorer does ride a little shorter, so that’s something you could consider going to the 162 for, but the 159 would work as well.
In terms of dampness, I wouldn’t say that either were considerably damp – but they’re also not chattery either. They’re somewhere in the middle, IMO. Another option – also in the 159 – is the Rossignol One. I found this to be a little damper than you’re average all-mountain board and otherwise suits your needs.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
Thanks for the info. Im quite a heavy rider (230 pounds). Plus I like to Ride rocks, trees, street and all mountain/park. What would be a Tough agressive board to your opinion.
Thanks have a good winter!
Hi Ben
I can’t really comment on what’s a tough board. I don’t typically get to ride anything long enough to test durability – but you’re looking for aggressive then I’d say the top 3 on this list – but also based on what you’re describing, I would also check out the list at the link below. They might be even more suited to your style.
~ Top 5 Aggressive All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards
Hope this helps
Just checking to see if this post will go up
Hi Justin
It’s up – but all comments are moderated, so are checked before being published on site. I have answered your other comment in the other post – Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards – let me know if you didn’t get the response and I can copy over what I wrote there.
My trusted Burton Triumph has finally asked to be hung up. I’m considering both the Custom X and Flight Attendant as a replacement. Most of my time is spent off the groomers finding hops and enjoying the mountain…No parks, but I do love the last stretch home on the chopped up groomer. Any preferences?
Hey Josh
I would say Flight Attendant for you. The main reason I say that is that I found it better on choppy groomers. Also, it’s better in powder and if you’re off the groomers a lot, then I’m guessing you ride in powder a reasonable amount.
The Flight Attendant is equal on most things with the Custom X but better in powder and better on choppy snow. The Custom does have a bit better edge-hold in hard/icy conditions. That would be the only thing it has over the Flight Attendant (IMO). I rate both boards highly but if you’re going to be in powder a bit, then Flight Attendant. If you’re going to be in hard/icy conditions a lot and not that much powder, then I’d go Custom X, instead.
Hope this helps.
Hello! I found deals on the 2016 Slash ATV. Looks like a great board. I cant decide between a 158 or 161. I currently have a k2 Zep 2007 161 (still rockin this awesome thing) and i love it, but its been put through the wringer. I bought a Burton Flight attendant (162) to replace it last season, but i am not thrilled with it. Its too much freeride and not enough an aggressive mtn charger which won’t flinch on anything. Any recommendations for an ATV 158 vs 161 or am i overthinking this? I’m 180lb, 5’10. I ride pretty agressively and am looking for a nimble ride which can handle it all. Thanks!
Hi Lance
If I was you I would go for the 158cm with your specs. For a freeride board I think 161cm would be ok – and it would still be ok for the ATV – but I would personally prefer the 158 (I’m 6’0″, 185lbs). But I do tend to like boards that I’m at the top end of the weight recommendations for. So said another way, I like my boards a little bit shorter than what I would term my “standard size” – though it also depends on the type of board.
For me, my “standard size” for an all-mountain board is 160cm to 161cm but I prefer around 158cm to 159cm for an all-mountain board. For a freeride board I would go as long as 161 and for a freestyle board I’d go as short as 155cm.
For you I would put your standard “all-mountain” size at 159cm. In which case the 158cm is pretty close. But if you prefer to go slightly longer then the 161cm definitely isn’t out of range.
The other reason I say 158cm is that you mention the word nimble.
The 158cm will feel more nimble/maneuverable and be a bit quicker edge-to-edge.
The 161cm will have better float in powder & more stability at speed.
So it’s really a weigh up between which you want more – quicker maneuverability or more stability at speed (of course that’s not to say that the 161 won’t be maneuverable and that the 158 won’t be stable at speed – this is just relative to each other).
Hope this novel has given you more info to go off!
Wow! This is very helpful. Thank you so much for your reply and keep on shredding and reporting on gear! There is so much gear out there these days and it takes someone who can actually ride and test the gear out get a re-liable source of info. Thank you.
Hi Lance
You’re very welcome. Glad I could help. Hope you have an awesome season!
Ive been riding the custom x for about 10 yrs now (25yr veteran rider). I love going olympic style fast mostly groomers icy east , natural hips jumps etc.. im the guy whos all dressed in black and has his hands tied behind his back leaning forward and just bombing it super super quick tiny itsy edge to edge .. now what would be the next level deck for a guy like me
1. Slash ATV/Aurora ? Or same lines of the CX
2. Jones carbon flagship
3. Amplid UNW8, in which i was leaning towards the most if not just get another x if theres not anything lighter faster quicker edge to edge and can handle chunder better ice better..
Any recommendations will be awesome !!
Hey Dab
I’m not really familiar with Amplid but I can give you my opinion on the rest.
I’d say they’re all of equal ability when it comes to hard/icy conditions. So you’ll get in those conditions what you get out of the Custom X roughly speaking – which is pretty good.
Judging by the fact that it sounds like you are typically in hard/icy conditions on the groomers a lot I would say the Carbon Flagship would be the least suitable – it’s still good at carving but sacrifices a little bit of carving ability to be better in the powder. The others are better for carving but not as good powder-wise.
In term of speed from edge-to-edge, the Custom X and the ATV would be the fastest, IMO. So I’d say the ATV and the Custom X are your best bets. With the Custom X probably a bit better for powder and the ATV better with jumps and for riding switch if you ever do that kind of thing.
I hope this helps with your decision.
Hi Nate,
I’m really tearing my hair between the top 2, an ATV or The Standard, I’ve looked into a lot of freeriding boards such as the Yes PYL and even some medium flex boards like the Ride Helix. I’m looking for a board that will be able to hold its own in steep icy and hard snow conditions as well as being playful enough to hop off the occasional kicker or maybe even pipe. I tend to put a lot of power into riding and carve mostly groomers and the odd patches of choppy pow. I am also not that tall/heavy at 5’6″ and 65Kgs, I know that the 2016 Standard has changed a lot since the 2015 but it still seems like you get a lot more tech in the ATV than The Standard even though it’s considerably less expensive. What do you think are the main differences between the top two and what would you possibly recommend for a slightly lighter rider? Also would a 158cm be manageable or would it have to be a 156cm board? Also would I be able to adventure a little with these boards too or would the ATV/Standard just be too aggressive for choppy uneven pow?
Hey Kynan
Thanks for visiting. There’s very little between the top 2 (hence I scored them the same). When I demoed the 2017 versions recently I did slightly prefer the ATV – but still not a lot in it (and different conditions on different days can affect this too). And you’re probably looking at the 2016 models.
I felt the Standard is slightly better (but not by much in powder) and part of that is down to small rocker sections at tip and tail. It’s technically a hybrid rocker camber as opposed to the ATV’s full camber – but really the Standard only has a moderate and short section of rocker.
The ATV is just that better at speed and with carving. And to me these are two of the really important factors in an aggressive board.
Both boards will definitely serve your need for hitting the occasional kicker and for riding the pipe.
Neither will be great in powder but you could still take them out into the backcountry. But if you’re going to be doing that a lot then a freeride deck would be a better option – or even something like the Slash Brainstorm, Jones Flagship or Niche Story.
I don’t think wither would necessarily be better or worse for a lighter rider.
In terms of size I would definitely say go for the 156cm over the 158cm. I’d even say the 154cm might be your best bet but certainly 156 over the 158. 158cm would be too long for you in my opinion.
Hope this helps.