This list represents what I consider to be the best surfy freeride snowboards for the 2021/22 season.
What's the difference between this and our "non-surfy" freeride list? See explanation at bottom of the post.
As is tradition here at SnowboardingProfiles.com each board is given a score out of 100.
Some Quick Stats
Of the 30 Surfy Freeride boards I looked at:
O.k. let’s get into the top 10!
FREERIDE BOARD #10
Board: Arbor Single
- CAN
- UK
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Rating: 85.0/100
Feel: Stable
Starting the list at #10, we have Arbor's Single.
The Single is a short/wide and excels in powder. But it holds it's own on groomers too - so when there's no pow to be had, it's still a fun ride.
It's awesome for riding in the trees pow or not (though of course, more fun when there is pow!)
Learn more about the Single in the video below
Score Breakdown for the Single
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
POWDER | 4.5 | 27/30 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 4.0 | 16/20 |
TURNING | 4.0 | 16/20 |
CARVING | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SPEED | 3.0 | 6/10 |
JUMPS | 3.0 | 3/5 |
SWITCH | 1.5 | 1.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 85.0/100 |
FREERIDE BOARD #9
Board: Jones Mind Expander
- CAN
- UK
Flex: Medium (5/10)
Rating: 85.6/100
Feel: Surfy
At #9, we have the Jones Mind Expander.
The Mind Expander is more of a powder specialist. A great addition to your quiver as your go-to powder board.
That said, it's still a fun board to slash around on groomers and through trees when the powder's tracked.
Learn more about the Mind Expander in the video below
Score Breakdown for the Mind Expander
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
POWDER | 5.0 | 30/30 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 4.0 | 16/20 |
TURNING | 4.0 | 16/20 |
CARVING | 2.5 | 5/10 |
SPEED | 3.0 | 6/10 |
JUMPS | 2.0 | 2/5 |
SWITCH | 2.0 | 2/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 85.6/100 |
FREERIDE BOARD #8
Board: Lib Tech BRD
- CAN
- UK
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Rating: 85.6/100
Feel: Stable
In at #8 we have the Lib Tech BRD.
The BRD is a versatile board that could easily be your daily driver if you don't really ride switch. It excels in powder - as it should to belong in this list, but it's a super fun board on groomers too.
Great for anyone looking for that really directional ride, but doesn't want anything too stiff.
Learn more about the BRD in the video below
Score Breakdown for the BRD
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
POWDER | 4.5 | 27/30 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 4.0 | 16/20 |
TURNING | 3.5 | 14/20 |
CARVING | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SPEED | 4.0 | 8/10 |
JUMPS | 3.0 | 3/5 |
SWITCH | 2.0 | 2/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 85.6/100 |
FREERIDE BOARD #7
Board: GNU Hyper
- CAN
- UK
Flex: Medium (5.5/10)
Rating: 86.7/100
Feel: Surfy
The Hyperkyarve (renamed the Hyper for the 2022 model) is a great option for those looking for a surfy option that goes well in the powder but also really nice on the groomers, if you like a really easy turning board that feels like it's surfing powder even on hard pack! OK maybe not quite, but it has that looser more easy going feel even on groomers, and just really good in tight spaces too.
But in spite of all of that, it can still carve and handles a bit of speed well too - and not bad for jumping, so it's really quite versatile as well.
Learn more about the The Hyperkyarve in the video below
Score Breakdown for the Hyperkyarve
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
POWDER | 4.0 | 24/30 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 4.0 | 16/20 |
TURNING | 4.5 | 18/20 |
CARVING | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SPEED | 3.5 | 7/10 |
JUMPS | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
SWITCH | 2.5 | 2.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 86.7/100 |
FREERIDE BOARD #6
Board: Capita Ultralight Powder Displacement Snowcraft
- CAN
Flex: Medium (5/10)
Rating: 86.7/100
Feel: Surfy
Coming in at #6 is the Capita Spring Break Ultralight Powder Displacement Snowcraft - say that 10 times fast!
Apart from the interesting name, the UPDS, for short, is a super fun, surfy ride that is predominantly a powder/tree board.
It's a quiver board - one you get for powder days, or those whiteout days when you just want to spend the day in the trees, so you can actually see! - but a great addition to any quiver, if you're looking for a board to surf powder or something super nimble to weave through the trees.
Trees on a powder day - a match made in heaven for this board!
Note that there are multiple varieties of the UPDS. This is more specifically referring to the Diamond Tail (154) model. See full review at the full review link above for more details)
Check out the video below for more
Score Breakdown for the Powder Displacement Snowcraft
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
POWDER | 5.0 | 30/30 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 4.0 | 16/20 |
TURNING | 4.0 | 16/20 |
CARVING | 3.0 | 6/10 |
SPEED | 3.0 | 6/10 |
JUMPS | 3.0 | 3/5 |
SWITCH | 1.0 | 1/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 86.7/100 |
FREERIDE BOARD #5
Board: Endeavor Scout
Flex: Medium (4.5/10)
Rating: 87.8/100
Feel: Stable
In the #5 spot, we have Endeavor’s Scout.
This is the kind of board you would think would be more powder specialist than it is. Yes, it is very good for riding powder - but surprisingly good on a carve too, especially for its flex.
This is a board you size down for, so it's a great option for riding trees too - and it's really nimble - so it's not just a "look I'm small so I can ride trees", which doesn't always work out so well.
Check out the Video below for more on the Scout
Score Breakdown for the Scout
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
POWDER | 4.5 | 27/30 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 4.0 | 16/20 |
TURNING | 4.0 | 16/20 |
CARVING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPEED | 3.5 | 7/10 |
JUMPS | 3.0 | 3/5 |
SWITCH | 2.0 | 2/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 87.8/100 |
FREERIDE BOARD #4
Board: Burton Skeleton Key
- CAN
Flex: Medium (5.5/10)
Rating: 90.0/100
Feel: Semi-locked in/precise
Coming in at #4, we have the Burton Skeleton Key.
The Skeleton Key is a great option for someone who still wants a freeride board that has that locked in/precise feel, rather than a looser/surfier feel, but wants a more forgiving, softer flex.
Great in pow, but also equally at home carving up the groomers and a nice easy going mid flex.
Learn more about the Skeleton Key in the video below
Score Breakdown for the Skeleton Key
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
POWDER | 4.5 | 27/30 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 4.0 | 16/20 |
TURNING | 4.0 | 16/20 |
CARVING | 4.5 | 9/10 |
SPEED | 4.0 | 8/10 |
JUMPS | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
SWITCH | 1.5 | 1.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 90.0/100 |
FREERIDE BOARD #3
Board: Capita Navigator
- CAN
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Rating: 90.0/100
Feel: Stable
The Navigator is a nice softer freeride board that is at it's best in powder and in the trees, but it's also surprisingly stable at speed for its flex.
And as an added bonus it's also quite easy on the wallet!
Check out this video for more on the Navigator
Score Breakdown for the Navigator
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
POWDER | 4.5 | 27/30 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 4.5 | 18/20 |
TURNING | 4.0 | 16/20 |
CARVING | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SPEED | 4.0 | 8/10 |
JUMPS | 3.0 | 3/5 |
SWITCH | 2.0 | 2/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 90.0/100 |
FREERIDE BOARD #2
Board: Yes Hybrid
- CAN
- UK
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Rating: 90.6/100
Feel: Stable
And in the #2 spot we have the YES Hybrid.
The Hybrid is the love child of YES' Pick Your Line and 420 - and it's a super fun ride.
It sits perfectly in that middle ground between surfy and precise and is really versatile - you can slash it up, float the pow or carve and bomb, and it's even really nice for jumps too.
The Hybrid is rather wide - so another one that you want to size down for in terms of length (depending on boot size).
Check out the Video below for some more info on the Hybrid
Score Breakdown for the Hybrid
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
POWDER | 4.5 | 27/30 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 4.0 | 16/20 |
TURNING | 4.0 | 16/20 |
CARVING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPEED | 4.0 | 8/10 |
JUMPS | 4.0 | 4/5 |
SWITCH | 2.5 | 2.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 90.6/100 |
FREERIDE BOARD #1
Board: Burton Show Stopper
- CAN
Flex: Medium (6.5/10)
Rating: 91.1/100
Feel: Stable to Semi-Locked in
And finally the #1 spot goes to the Burton Show Stopper.
New for 2022, the Showstopper is just a really fun board that strikes that perfect balance between being a good carver, but still being mellow enough to have effortless turns and at the same time floats really well in powder.
It possesses the elusive quality of being stable at high speed but also easy to maneuver at slow speeds. It can tackle a wide open bowl and tight trees with equal prowess.
It's aggressive enough when you want it to be, but it's not so aggressive that you can't slow it down and be more casual with it.
Score Breakdown for the Showstopper
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
POWDER | 4.5 | 27/30 |
UNEVEN TERRAIN | 4.5 | 18/20 |
TURNING | 4.0 | 16/20 |
CARVING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPEED | 4.0 | 8/10 |
JUMPS | 3.0 | 3/5 |
SWITCH | 2.0 | 2/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 91.1/100 |
Over to You
This is quite a diverse category, so even though this list is in order, what suits you best will depend on what you're looking for.
Everything thing here is at least above average in powder, but some are more powder specialists, some have a surfy feel, whilst some have a more precise, more locked-in feel, for those just looking for a softer freeride board, but still want a more carvy/precise feel.
Thanks for reading and I hope this post has helped you find your perfect "surfy", aka softer flexing, freeride board.
If you want to learn more about any of these boards or check out current prices/availability, check out the links at the top of each board description above.
This List versus the Top 10 Freeride Snowboards list
Compared to the other freeride list, the ratings for this list give a higher importance to powder, uneven terrain & agility and less importance to carving and speed.
Note that the "surfy freeride" category represents freeride boards that are in that softer flex range - 6.5/10 or less. They're not necessarily "surfy" feeling boards as such. "Slightly softer flexing freeride" just didn't have the same ring as a category name!
To be eligible for this list the board had to:
- Be 6.5/10 or less for flex; and
- Have a freeride shape
Some boards might be more powder specialized, some might have a more surfy feel and some a more precise feel.
Aloha again!
I wrote you recently on the Showstopper – Thank you for the quick reply. I want to buy a new board, but like so my any others torn on what to get. Your insight is truly a service to the sport, and I recommend your site to anyone that has a question about snowboard gear or setup.
Once again, I’m 5-10, 165lbs, 10.5 boot (Photon) and have some newer Genesis EST’s. I consider myself an intermediate, who dabbles in trees and very rarely hit the park. I ride and ski Park City easily 45-60 days. I ride switch when I need to but not regularly, I’m not into big speed and like the option of quick side-to-side along with a carve. Currently have an old Process V Rocker and an older Niche Story. I love the Process because it’s so easy to drive/turn/stop despite the speed. The Niche I ride less because it does better at speed – I do not take it in trees.
I want to possibly retire the Process and move on to something else as a Utah daily driver. I’m locked into buying Burton because of the EST’s and they will start discounting 21/22 beginning this week (I think). Initially I was sold on a Custom Flying V 158cm but now I am thinking the Show Stopper 154cm. Neither board is cheap.
I realize these are different boards but the goal is the same. Do you have any thoughts before I pull the trigger??
Again, big mahalo
🤙🤙🍻
Hi Dano
Thanks for your message.
I would say that the Custom Flying V is a little quicker edge to edge, though that said, the size difference will even that out. The Custom Flying V is a “looser” feel compared to the more precise feeling on the Show Stopper. The Show Stopper better on a carve and better at speed (though I think the Custom Flying V would be enough speed-wise, based on what you’re describing and being the longer length). The Custom Flying V, IMO, better in park and riding switch. Custom Flying V will be a closer feel, though certainly not the same, to your Process V Rocker.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hey Nate,
I was hoping you could make a recommendation or two for my first board purchase!
I’m 170cm, 75KG (hopefully a bit less by next season), size 9 boot (US). Ridden about 15 days in total so probably on the intermediate side of beginner I guess….definitely need to work on my posture for my toes turns for sure.
Conditions wise I’m based in Europe so could get powder, packed snow and likely some icey stuff. I ride mainly on the pistes and one day will ride the powder when I get some on a trip so want somethign that can handle that, I’m not interested in the park but I do like playing around a bit with butters and spins. I hired a pretty stiff board this season and really struggled with it at times although did enjoy the board a bit more at speed, last year boarding I did prefer a stable feeling more medium flex board.
I’ve been looking at the lib tech terrain wrecker (maybe too aggressive rather than damp?), yes hybrid based on your reviews and the yes PLY (which again might be a bit much for me?) I’m not suck on any of them though so any recco’s would be awesome.
Cheers!
Forgot to mention…..looking for something mellow but responsive turning I wonder if the hybrid might not be good for that in harder snow conditions?
Hi Ash
Thanks for your message.
For how wide it is, the Hybrid isn’t too bad in terms of quick turns – and does well in hard conditions. That said, if you want something really quick turning, then looking at something else makes sense, but it’s certainly not an ocean liner to turn or anything. If you did go Hybrid, the 153 would be your best bet.
The PYL isn’t mellow and, IMO, would be a bit too much of a stretch for your current level. An awesome board, but a bit too much right now, IMO).
The Terrain Wrecker would definitely work – it’s on the slightly looser side of stable though, so if you’re really looking for that more stable feeling, then something more hybrid camber might be a safer bet. I really like the TW, but it does have that rocker between the feet which makes it on the looser side – fun if you want it, but if you don’t want it, then you’re better off looking at something hybrid camber, IMO.
Something like the Capita Navigator, Jones Mountain Twin, Rossignol One, YES Standard, Slash Brainstorm would all work for what you’re describing. They’re all a bit of a stretch for your level, but doable and I think would suit what you’re describing well.
Size-wise, I’d be looking at:
– Standard: 153
– Mountain Twin: 154
– Navigator: 155
– One: 156
– Brainstorm: 154
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate, much appreciated. I actually ended up gong with the hybird 153 after getting an opportunity to test it and it suits me really well. 🙂
Hi Ashley
Thanks for the update. And awesome to hear that the Hybrid is working well for you!
Hey Nate!
I keep coming back to your site. Love it! ~4 years ago you helped me choose my current NS Snowtrooper 152: comment 9114
Since then (despite COVID) I think I have improved: I can do all blues and start venturing on blacks. I would like your advice on whether it’s time to buy another board or if I can continue with the Snowtrooper.
I’m still 5’6, 165lbs, wearing 32 double boa size 8.5
These are my thoughts:
-Don’t love that the trooper is very easy to spin whenever I try to do aggressive turns but I like that is forgivable/doesn’t catch edges
-I’m becoming more of an all mountain freerider…don’t see myself hitting the rails any time soon (too old for that) but I want to eventually do some jumps around the mountain
-A friend keeps saying that my current 152 is too small for me (I don’t think so?)
-Saving for a bucket list powder improvement trip to Japan next season…
I’m happy to continue with my Snowtrooper (and save money haha) but at the same time don’t want to limit my growth if there’s another board I can use for resort powder days but friendly enough to handle groomers with friends.
I think the Snowtrooper + another one would be a good idea/cover all my needs or is it too soon to have two boards? I’m liking your review on the Yes Hybrid…what do you think?
Hi Luis
Good to hear from you again.
Never a bad idea having multiple decks in a quiver, IMO, if you can.
Size-wise, as a more advanced rider than you were, you could go a little longer, but it’s nothing way off. I would put your “standard all-mountain” size as around 155/156, assuming an advanced level. With your boot size, sizing down a little bit from that, even at an advanced level, is a good idea. So I think 152 was spot on, initially and now you could go a little longer, but I would go super long. If you do go Hybrid 153 for sure. Being a wider board, you want to size down for it anyway. The 153 will be more like a 156/157. But as part of a quiver, particularly for powder days, I think it could work well. Would certainly give you more stability at speed and stronger, bigger carves and will give extra float in powder. So I think it would compliment the Snowtrooper well as your powder/freeride board. Will likely feel it less maneuverable and harder to learn things like jumps on, but you can always use your Snowtrooper for those things.
I don’t think it’s 100% necessary to change or add a board to the quiver if you wanted to save money – but given that you’re finding it a bit wanting for aggressive turns and going to be seeing some more powder, then I think adding a board to the quiver would certainly be advantageous.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks, Nate! Very insightful comments – appreciate it.
If I do decide to pull the trigger on an additional friendly freeride powder board – is the Yes Hybrid the best option? What else do you think could be suitable for me?
Also, when adding another board to the quiver, do you usually also buy another set of bindings or just change the ones you have as needed? (assuming money is not the factor here). Currently using Flow’s Fuse Hybrid.
Thanks again.
Hi Luis
Thanks for your message.
I think the Hybrid would work well. But if you wanted to check out some other options you could also look at >>Top 10 Surfy (mellow) Freeride Snowboards.
In terms of getting an extra set of bindings, it’s always convenient to have it but not always necessary – if money wasn’t a factor, then I’d do it. If money is a factor, then it really depends on the boards in the quiver. If you have something super soft and something super stiff, then there wouldn’t be a set of bindings that would match both boards well, so in that case I’d go for two sets of bindings. In this case, I think the Flow Fuse should match the Hybrid fine and if you wanted to save money, it’s not necessary to have a second set of bindings.
Hey Nate! Me again 🙂
Had a chance to demo a NS Harpoon 152 today. Really liked it! Seems to be what I’m looking for: something more advanced and directional than the SnowTrooper but still surfy and fun.
Snow was bad (slushy spring) but the board felt stable when gaining speed, turns were good, and was not bad to maneuver when I was tired and just wanted to cruise. If anything I think the bindings didn’t help (Union Falcor) — felt very stiff and responsive. First time riding with that type of bindings. I think I prefer softer bindings.
So, the shop is offering me a nice discount and taking the rental money if I pull the trigger on the Harpoon 152
With what you know about me (8.5 boots / 165lbs athletic / 5’6 height) and what I’m looking for (the mythical surfy board that is good for carving, groomers and pow):
-Is the Harpoon a good option? If so – is 152 the right size? The other option is 148 but seems kinda small though I know this board should be sized down
OR
-Should I wait to demo more boards (LibTech BRD and Yes Hybrid in particlar) How would they compare to my experience today? I can’t take the Hybrid out of my head but haven’t found a shop that has it for demo!
Thank you so much, Nate!
Hi Luis
Good to hear from you again.
Given how you describe your experience with the Harpoon, I think it’s a good bet. And I think 152 works. It’s sizing down already and I think it’s sizing down enough. The 148 might be sizing down a little too much. I think you could get away with it, if you wanted something super maneuverable and wasn’t worried about speed, but at that size, might not do you for speed as much as you’d like. You were 152 for Snowtrooper and that’s not a board to size down on – but as a beginner you would size down, as you did and that was a good size at the time, but now that you’ve progressed, you could go up to a 155/156 in a narrower width, so I think 152 should work well (and sounds like it did).
I would say the Falcors aren’t like massively too stiff for the Harpoon, but they are on the stiffer side, so you could certainly go softer than them on it. 5/10 flex would be the softest I would go and ideally something around 6/10, in terms of bindings.
Hey Nate – love all the reviews and specifically this surfy freeride section, so thank you.
I am looking to get a new daily driver / all mountain medium flex board. I am 6’3 190-195 lbs, 34 years old, been riding 20 years. Surf freeride style, Love big carves and turns + slash around on groomers and sides, not much park but enjoy small/medium jumps and boxes and chase powder as much as possible.
Predominantly riding the 160 Korua dart lately so pretty well set for powder days and it excels in groomer carving. Ive read you haven’t tried one yet, really looking forward to read your review once you do! Really really love this thing but looking to compliment this with a goal of a 2 board travel quiver.
Looking to compliment where the dart lacks, so tight tress, side hits, smaller jumps/boxes, little bit of switch riding ability, and lastly steeper bowls and bigger mountain ability if the opportunity arises when traveling. Powder is a plus but not the main focus ( I also have an older Burton 159 Branch manager)
I know that’s a broad range so hopefully something that checks almost all the boxes. Some shapes Im choosing between, no particular order:
Korua Otto 161
Burton Skeleton key 158/162
Burton show stopper 158/162
Burton flight attendant 159W
Jones Mountain twin 159W/162W
Jones mind expander twin 158
GNU Hyper 159W
Would love to hear what you would recommend most, really value your insight.
Thank you!
Hi Dylan
Thanks for your message.
My first thought was the Hyper. It seems to tick most boxes – something that’s surfy feeling, medium flex, good for trees and jumps but can also carve and is OK for switch. You would have to get used to having rocker between the feet, compared to your other boards, but otherwise I think that would be a really good match. In that size too, it’s a little on the small side for your specs, so that will help with tight turns in trees. Not going to be a bomber at speed but can handle a little speed.
The Skeleton Key and Show Stopper would also work well – they’re a more precise feel, versus surfy, IMO, but otherwise tick most boxes too.
The Mind Expander is definitely surfy and would be great for powder, tight trees etc, but if you’re still wanting to carve a bit, I didn’t find it great for carving or speed. The 2023 Mind Expander is getting a new profile that is going to have some camber in it, so I’d say that will be a better carver, but the current model isn’t great for carving or speed, IMO.
The Flight Attendant might be just on the stiff side for what you’re looking for – it’s not ultra stiff or anything but more mid-stiff by my feel – 7/10. The Show Stopper a little stiffer too but not quite as stiff as FA.
The Mountain Twin would be a good option as well, IMO. It’s a really good all-rounder.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Thanks Nate. Very helpful insight. appreciate it
You’re very welcome Dylan. Happy riding!
I’m torn between the yes pyl and the Jones Flagship. I’m in the pnw, advanced rider that hits fast groomers but mostly am looking for powder and trees. We do get ice crud periodically. What are your thoughts? I’m currently on the newest version of the burton step ons, size 11.5 and weigh 167. What size would you recommend. Thank you Max
Hi Max
Thanks for your message.
For fast groomers, I’d take the PYL and for carving but for powder and trees, I’d take the Flagship. But in saying that, the Flagship is good on a carve and bombing and the PYL is good in powder and trees – so I don’t think there’s a wrong choice there – but if there was anything you were looking to optimize more than the other.
Size-wise, if you could also let me know your height, that would be great. Whilst weight and boot size are certainly more important factors than height, height still counts to some degree, IMO. I would say probably:
– PYL: 160W
– Flagship: 159W
But if you could let me know your height, just to confirm. I can’t see them changing, but like to take everything into account.
Hope this helps
Nate,
5’11”
Thank you!
Hi Max
Thanks for the extra info. Yeah those sizes would be your best bet, IMO. Didn’t think it would change it, but always like to make sure. Happy riding!
Nate,
I went with a 159w flagship and unfortunately it wasn’t for me. I just couldn’t maneuver it quite how I wanted edge to edge (I’m wondering if it’s the width). I guess in hindsight I want something that turns quicker. It’s for sale now and I’m looking at a burton hometown hero or flight attendant. It looks like the FA would be wide enough at a 159 without going wide and the hh would be a 156w or the 160. The 160 though says weight 180 whereas I way about 170. What are your thoughts? 5’11” 170lbs, burton photon step ons size 11. Oh I can’t tell if my message went through on your fa review.please disregard if it did
Nate,
Sorry just to add. I’m also considering the show stopper. Size and board recommendations would be fantastic. Also, if you noticed from my very first post I went from an 11.5 to an 11 with the burton step on photon (I went to a wide and it’s made a world of difference). Thank you again!
Hi Max
I got your message on the FA review as well, but have deleted it and will answer here.
Quite possibly the width. With the Flagship it’s especially wide at the front insert – around 280mm on the 159W I would predict. At the back insert it’s not as wide though – more like 275mm – which for 11.5s is good. But potentially a little wider overall than you prefer. With 11s, you can certainly err narrower and narrower does typically translate to quicker edge to edge (all else being equal – as other things play a role in that as well).
With the FA, it’s borderline in the 159 as to whether it’s wide enough. It could be doable, but it’s close. I would predict it’s around 26.6cm at the back insert and with Photon Step Ons in 11, I would predict them to be around 31.4cm on the outsole. That leaves total overhang at 4.8cm – or 2.4cm overhang per edge (toe and heel) assuming perfect centering. This is assuming a roughly 22″ (560mm) stance width. If you’re really pushing the carves deep (e.g. eurocarves) then you’ll likely want a bit less overhang than that. But if you’re not doing eurocarving or anything, and preferably have some angle on your back binding (which reduces the amount of overhang), then I think you could get away with it. Burton boots have a good toe bevel on them too, so that helps as well. But certainly no guarantees you won’t get boot drag. I have ridden boards as narrow as 256mm at the inserts without issue, with 10s – kind of the equivalent of riding 266mm with 11s. That’s in low profile boots and +15/-15 binding angles.
If you wanted to size down a bit for better maneuverability you could go to the 156W Hometown Hero – and it’s going to be a good width for 11s, IMO. But you do sacrifice a little in terms of stability at speed for going shorter. I wouldn’t be too worried about the weight recommendations on the 160 – it would be a good length for you, IMO. Only slightly narrower than the 156W – and a little wider than the 159 FA. Again, it’s close to being too narrow, but you probably get away with it, depending on binding angles and carving.
And last , your recommendations??
Hi Max
If you want the quicker turning at the sacrifice of some stability at speed, versus what you experienced with the Flagship, then I would be leaning 154 Show Stopper or 156W Hometown Hero. If you want just a little better in terms agility, but maintaining that stability at speed, then I’d be looking 158 Show Stopper or FA 159 (if you think you’ll get away with it width-wise – it’s really borderline).
After reading your answers I went with the Show Stopper 158. I should be able to get on it a couple times before the years out. It seems to be a good fit, quick turning, stable at speed and it looks to be a monster in the best deep conditions😎. I recommend this site to friends all the time. I hope it’s a much better fit for me than the Jones flagship (I actually think that board would have been great if I wouldn’t have had to gone wide). Sincerely thank you for your time and effort responding to all my questions!
You’re very welcome Max. Let me know how you get on with the Showstopper, if you think of it at the time.
Nate, I’m almost embarrassed to write you again. The showstopper didn’t go through. Long story short I’m not sure if it was a scam or if they ran out of inventory. I have finally been reimbursed. I’ve figured out my boot comfort issue and am riding a K2 maysis 10.5 wide. I’m back to square one. I really think my issue with the Jones flagship 159w is it was just too wide for my boot size. They have 2 of the 2022 pyl’s 160w. At a really good price My understanding is they’re not nearly as wide as the FS and I think my 10.5 k2s would probably fit well. The other option is the flight attendant, the 159w seems really wide though. Thank you so much!
Hi Max
Awesome to hear that you’ve figured out the boot comfort issue. That’s an important one to get sorted.
PYL 160W vs Flagship 159W vs Flight Attendant in terms of width”
PYL: 270mm back insert, 272mm front insert, 260mm waist
Flagship: 275mm back insert, 280mm front insert, 263mm waist
FA: 273mm back insert, 274mm front insert, 264mm waist
So, the PYL is quite a bit narrower than the Flagship and narrower than the FA too. Note that the 2022 PYL is stiffer than the Showstopper, and stiffer than the Flagship as well, in my experience. The 2023 PYL gets softened up a bit. The Hometown Hero is also worth looking into – the 160 should be wide enough for 10.5s (even K2 10.5s, which tend to be a longer profile, but even so should be OK) – it’s around 268mm at the inserts.
Nate, I just wanted to say thank you. I bought the Yes PYL and was able to take it out over the last 2 days. It’s amazing, pretty much what I though the Flagship would be. It’s a blast to turn and wants to go fast. I love it. I learned an incredible amount. I think ultimately the difference was how well the board fit me width wise. Crazy I initially never would have thought one board would work better for me than another due to that. Thank you for your time and replys. This board will last me for years to come. Plus the art on the top sheet is incredible! Thank you again.
Hi Max
Thanks for the update and you’re very welcome. Awesome to hear that the PYL is treating you well. Yeah, there’s definitely some things that don’t seem like they would make much difference that actually do really change a ride.
And what size for the show stopper. Thank you!
My apologies, forget to mention the Show Stopper.
Size-wise for the Show Stopper, I would say most likely 158. It is around 276mm at the inserts, so on the wider side. As wide at the back as the Flagship but not as wide at the front. I found the Show Stopper really nice and agile – but I did ride the 154 (6’0″, 175lbs, 9.5 boots) – but with bigger feet, I would have happily ridden the 158. 154 is an option for you, if you wanted to have that better maneuverability – and it’s wide enough for your boots, for sure – I still found it good at speed, even in the 154, but in saying that you’d still be sacrificing stability at speed, if you went down to 154 (and powder float).
So with all that with the FA what’s your size recommendation and the the pyl am I right that it’s not overly wide on the 160w with my 10.5 wide maysis boots? Also, binding recommendation for the pyl? Thank you once again, I promise you won’t hear from me for at least a year😂.
Hi Max
Given you found the 159W Flagship too wide, the 159W FA is possibly too wide as well, though not as wide as the Flagship 159W. And yes, as per my last reply, the 160W PYL is narrower than both and think it would be a good width for your boots. The 159 FA is a borderline possibility now that you’re in 10.5 boots. It’s around 265mm at the inserts, which is the narrowest I would go. Given K2 boots have a longer than average outsole, that’s the main reason I would be hesitating on that size. The 160 Hometown Hero comes into play though, now that you’re in 10.5 boots, which is more like 268mm at inserts.
Bindings for PYL, I’d go with something at least 7/10 flex, and preferably more like 8/10 to 9/10 flex. Some options to consider:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
>>Top 5 Freeride Bindings
Hi Nate,
I am in need of a new board, and have been quite intrigued by the snowsurf style of riding. I have been looking for a while, but came across this post in my search. I see a could boards here that might qualify what I’m looking for, but thought I’d see if you have any other suggestions. I have been looking closely at the Korua Dart Plus and the the Stranda Shorty, among others.
About me:
I’m a big guy, 6 ft 235lbs
Size 9 boot
50 yrs old, been riding 29 years
Currently own:
Arbor A-Frame 2015 model 166 (looking to replace)
Never Summer Ripsaw 162
Charlie Slasher Capita 164 (in the process of selling as I don’t like it)
A couple older Rossi levitation freeride rock boards I rarely ride unless its low tide.
What I like to ride:
I like groomers, prefer to do medium size S turns/moderately high speed, with the occasional slash/skid. I also like powder, and ride in medium spaced trees and semi-open bowls. My home resorts are Brundage Mtn and Tamarack ID, although I usually take 1-2 trips a year. I would say turning/carving it the most important thing I’m looking for. Something stable, good edge to hold on the harder turns, but also able to make some smaller surfier lines, too. While powder is secondary, I’d still like something that rides better than what I currently have. Float is important, along with minimal back leg fatigue.
My issues are:
1. The older A-Frame is a stiff board, which in hard turning fast snow it does fairly well… however, transition to smaller turns and/or slow speed can be a challenging and quite bouncy/chattering. The Ripsaw I own does a pretty good job with that (smaller carving turns/faster turning radius) but not as good at holding an edge in longer carves, and is poor in powder (slow). I also think it might be a bit short for me at 162, but I do appreciate that it’s much more maneuverable than the 166 A-Frame.
I’m finding myself getting bored with the same old stuff. That’s why the general idea of snow-surf style riding is appealing to me. In particular, the medium to big carving (medium to large A turns)… but also something that can throw a few nice smaller radius turns in there, too…. good float/turning in powder… and a more fluid, softer ride.
I’ve been reading through this thread, but at 18 pages, it is a little overwhelming. I’ve also looked pretty hard at the Korua boards, and in particular the Dart/Dart Plus. The Dart Plus seemed like the better board for what I’m looking for, but only 1 store online had it, but it’s in the UK and does not currently ship to the US.
Bottom Line:
The biggest issue I think I’m having is finding a board that will do what I think I want, AND fitting me. Being 235 lbs with a size 9 boot can be tough to find a good compromise. Many longer boards are also assuming I have huge feet, and are very wide.
Thanks for any advice!
Hi Todd
Thanks for your message.
Unfortunately I don’t currently test Korua, so I can’t comment on the Dart or Dart Plus, but I’ve heard good things and would love to test them, if I can get my hands on one. Also know very little about Stranda snowboards.
Given that you seem to want something that’s good for both bigger carves and shorter turns – and something that’s a little surfy, I think the following could work:
– Burton Skeleton Key 162 – wide for your boots, but most are going to be at the longer lengths, like you say, but taking into account sizing down the length a little bit, I think this could work. It’s not a “surfy feel” overall as such, but you could get some surfy turns on it
– Endeavor Scout 160 – but it’s sizing down a bit more.
– YES Hybrid 161 – it’s rather wide, but given you’d be sizing down, it could work too.
If you did want to got more surfy, then the Hyperkyarve 160 could work – though it’s quite small for you – and it’s not that wide, so sizing down to 160 might be too much.
If you did go with Korua Dart, I’d probably go 160, given how wide it is.
Hope this helps
Checkout the Never Summer Harpoon
Really love your reviews, but not having Korua boards in the category is a total miss. 🙁
Hi JB
Thanks for your message.
Unfortunately haven’t tested any Korua boards yet. Would love to – and really trying to source some for this winter – and have done in the past, but have proved hard to get my hands on. I’ve heard good things, so I’m dying to test them, but haven’t to date.
They’ve gotta send you one! You’ve got one of the best reviews sites ever- so it’s a miss on Korua’s part, not yours 😉
Hey! Amazing reviews and replies thank you.
I was just about to buy a Harpoon, and was tossing up between that, the Jones Stratus and the Arbor Single (which led me to your site) – but now I feel like im back to the drawing board.
Im 5’9″, 185lb, and am an intermediate to Advanced rider.
I am a bit of a powder hound, but also spend a lot of time on groomers with beginner/intermediate/less adventurous friends.
I’ve always ridden park (nitro t1 wide) or all mountain boards (neversummer proto) and looking for my first directional pow slayer for trees and a fair few drops and side hits.
I also like a 180 and a 540 where I can so need some switch functionality.
Does my perfect board exist?
Hi Matt
Thanks for your message.
Not sure your perfect board exists, because of your need for both directional and switch, but a close to 2 board quiver would exist. But if you can sacrifice something in terms of switch (whilst still not being hopeless in terms of switch), then something like the Hybrid or GNU Hyperkyarve are worth looking at. Two boards that I think fit well to what you’re describing.
And they’re both something you don’t have to charge on all the time – like you can muck around on groomers with your friends all good on them, IMO.
Hope this helps
Sure does! Im going to demo the Yes board this week. Did the Harpoon not worth a mention for you?
Hi Matt
Harpoon worth a mention for sure, but since you were already considering it I didn’t mention it. And I personally preferred the other 2, but Harpoon worth considering too.
Hey Nate,
Deciding between the flight attendant and showstopper. Leaning towards the show stopper… only thing that’s holding me towards the flight attendant is that a lot of the reviews say it’s good for side hits, natural features…. do you feel like the show stopper is more than capable in this area as well?
Hi Hunter
Thanks for your messages.
I’d say very similar in terms of sidehits/natural features. The Showstopper was fine in that area. Just as good as the Flight Attendant, IMO. i.e. not ideal, but can definitely have fun on either of them hitting those.
I’d say between them, the FA is a little stiffer and a little more stable at speed, when you really open it out. The Showstopper is still good at speed though – just not quite as good. But it’s better in trees, IMO.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
That’s the answer I needed. Thank you sir.
You’re very welcome Hunter. Hope you have an awesome season!
Did you ride the Show Stopper in 158?
Hi Kenny
Thanks for your message. I rode it in the 154.
Nate, I love your reviews! I am choosing between the flight attendant and show stopper. What would you recommend? Looking for all mountain, side country, steep and deep, side hits/ natural features
I’m leaning towards show stopper but there aren’t a ton of reviews other than yours! Like the idea of it having a little more flex.
Hey Nate – I purchased a Niche Maelstrom and haven’t ridden it yet. I consider myself an advanced/expert level rider, so I don’t have any worries that I can’t handle the board, but I’m wondering if something like the Show Stopper would be a better option. I definitely want to be able to charge aggressively, but I like to ride in the trees the majority of my time. What are your thoughts?
Thanks!
Hi Patrick
Thanks for your message.
Personally I preferred the Show Stopper in the trees. More maneuverable, particularly when riding slower for those tighter sections. The Maelstrom better for really opening it out bombing and high speed carves, IMO. But the Show Stopper not bad there. If you’re in the trees a majority of the time, then the Show Stopper would be the board I’d choose personally.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate
What size show stopper have you reviewed.158? The hype seems real on this one. I think I’ll get.
Cheers
Tim
Hi Tim
I actually rode the 154. It’s relatively wide (260mm waist, 271mm at inserts). The 158 wouldn’t also be in range, but on the bigger side for what I like, when combining length and width. 154 on the slightly smaller side for me and 158 slightly on the bigger side for me – and personally I prefer to err smaller, particularly when looking at the width of the 158 (265mm waist, 276mm inserts). I really liked (as you can tell!) the 154.
I go on a cat trip to BC annually. I’m looking for a powder board specific for this trip (I have resort / in bounds boards). Looking for something with a surfy feel. Could you provide some recs please? I was thinking the Jones Mind Expander.
Hi Johnny
Thanks for your message.
The Mind Expander would definitely be an option, IMO. One of the Capita Ultralight Powder Displacement Snowcraft would also work well. Another worth considering is the Burton Pow Wrench.
Haven’t had a chance to get on them yet, but the Jones Storm Chaser and maybe even the Hovercraft would be worth checking out too.
Hi Nate
Warpig, u no like? Or just not good enough to make the list.
As always thx and u da man.
Thx
Tony
Hey Tony
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, I wasn’t a big fan of the Warpig, to be honest. I didn’t hate it by any means, but it didn’t excite me either. It is in this category, but yeah, wasn’t good enough to make the list, from my experience with it. That said, I haven’t ridden it since 2017 (2018 model), so really need to revisit it.
Nice 2022 list! It seems you’re using kind of the same language to describe the Burton Show Stopper and Yes Hybrid. How’d you compare the 2 of them for an intermediate to advanced rider? I’m guessing the Burton Show Stopper is a little less forgiving because of the profile?
Hi Jay
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, I think that’s pretty accurate. The Show Stopper is a little more locked in – and just a little less forgiving. But it’s not super technical or overly catchy or anything. But yeah, I would say the Hybrid is a subtly easier going ride. But both are suitable, IMO, for an intermediate to advanced rider.
Hello!
Awesome new top 10! 😀
How would you compare the Show stopper vs the Salomon HPS Taka Nakai? I am interested in both but the width of.the Show stopper is stopping (no pun intended!) me.
As I weight about 220lbs, I am on the 161cm for the Salomon HPS and on the 162cm for the ST. However, I wear 9.5 US ( Vans Infuse). the Salomon HPS seems to be a mid wide while the ST looks way more into a wide board.
In terms of fit, I think the Salomon HPS is probably better. Any opinions? Analysis paralysis over here. Planning to put K2 Lien AT.
The spec seems similar in terms of flex and behaviour, hence my questions.
Looking to :
Carve in hard snow
Be Forgiving (3 smalls kids with me!)
Powder
Trees
East coast.
Best regards,
Philippe
Hi Phillipe
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the HPS Taka Nakai, unfortunately, so can’t give you any first hand insight.
In terms of sizing, the Show Stopper does look to be wider for sure, so with 9.5s, I agree that the 161 Taka Nakai is likely a better size for you versus the 162 Show Stopper. Given how wide the Show Stopper is for 9.5 boots, you could potentially size down to the 158. It’s getting a little short for your weight – and I know it’s outside Burton’s weight recommendations, but even in the 158 the Show Stopper is wide for your boots, but sizing down that length will help to make it more maneuverable for the likes of trees and will be more forgiving and easier to ride slow. Won’t float as well in powder, which would be the biggest down fall of sizing down – and won’t be as stable at speed.
I rode the 154 and it’s the size I would go with for me. For reference, I weighed 175lbs when I rode it.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Thanks! Yes, it dows help. 🙂
We previously had a discussion about the GNU ES and the Yes PYL. Discarded them because the PYL seems too stiff for my need and the ES was rather “meh”. So, thanks for all our discussions 🙂
I think I’m gonna go for the HPS Taka. I’m not too sure about sizing down since the flex of the show stopper is considered “flexy”. This would accentuate that aspect vs HPS 161, which is also medium flex, but designed for my weight (well, the range is rather large, but it at least cover my weight). If the ST was stiffer, I would have been more open for a sizing down.
For bindings, I’m looking at :
K2 Lien AT
Rome Vice
Salomon District HPS
Looking for a bindings that would complement the flex of the Taka. No worry if you don’t have a suggestion, I’m just throwing that here for the sake of exhaustivity 🙂
Hi Philippe
I think that’s sound reasoning.
Both the Lien AT and District HPS would be a good match for the board, IMO, based on stated flex of the board. I haven’t tested the Vice, so I couldn’t say there. I think something in that 6/10 to 7/10 flex range would work well with the board (assumptions about actual flex of the board) and your specs.
Thanks!
Happy riding 😀
You’re very welcome Philippe. You too!
Hey Matt,
Looking for some valuable advice / guidance! I went with your recommendation back in 2020, and bought a Yes standard 159. Loving the board so far, but would love to get onto a directional board, as I never ride switch. Plus something that is a fast turning, stable at speed board as well.
39 years old, ride mostly groomers but would like to start adventuring into the trees (kids keep asking). Weight is normally between 180 and 190, about 5 foot 9, and 11.5 US boot size. I’d say I’m an intermediate rider.
I’ve been scrolling through your site for a while now and think i have narrowed it sown to a few choices. Just want your option on them and size recommendations based on my physical specs.
Jones Frontier, i was thinking in the 161W
Yes Hybrid, in the 157. Is this board different enough from the Standard?
Lib Tech Dynamo, kinda torn between the 156W and 159W.
What would be the pros and cons of each board? Stability is important to me at speed, but the board needs to be maneuverable at slow speeds as well (started filming my kids with a GoPro last winter)
As always thanks for the insight.
Hi Michael
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, the Hybrid is quite different from the Standard. You’re looking at a similar flex feel, and a similar camber profile feel (similar but not the same) – and you always get a certain familiarity with boards from the same brand. However, there’s enough different about it that they certainly compliment each other in a quiver, IMO. The Hybrid is very directional. I think the 157 would be a good size. It’s a little wider than the Standard, so you’d be good to size down a touch. I think that would be the perfect size for your specs/how you describe your riding. If you’re looking for the closest thing to a tapered directional Standard out of the options you’ve described then this is it – but it’s certainly not exactly just a tapered directional standard. It’s probably the safest bet though, given that you already know and like the Standard.
The Frontier would suit what you’re describing for sure. And I agree with the size in the 161W for that board. The Frontier is what I would describe as almost halfway between an all-mountain board and a freeride board. In some ways it’s less different to the Standard than the Hybrid is, in the fact that it’s not as directional as the Hybrid (no taper – and difference between nose and tail length not as big a difference). But in other ways, it will have a different feel, being a different brand and Jones boards just have a different feel to them – so you would be getting that difference there. But in a quiver, I would say that whilst it still works with the Standard, that it’s not as big a difference as the Hybrid is.
The Dynamo is another that’s kind of in between all-mountain and freeride. It’s got some taper, but it’s more subtle than on the Hybrid – and it’s not as set back. It is however a bigger difference in terms of feel with it’s C3 camber profile. It’s got a predominantly camber feel still, but there’s rocker in the middle – and whilst subtle, have that rocker between the feet makes for quite a different feel to hybrid camber. That and being a different brand and naturally having a different feel anyway. Again, it certainly works in a quiver with the Standard all be it not being at opposite ends of the spectrum. Size-wise, I’d say 159W. It’s a similar width at inserts to the Standard 159. I think it’s your best bet in that size. I don’t think the 156W would necessarily be wrong, but you’d sacrifice some stability at speed and float in powder, whilst gaining some better maneuverability at slower speeds.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for the super fast reply!
I think I’ve narrowed it down to the Hybrid and the Dynamo, mainly due to the fact they offer something more different than the Standard.
How would you say these 2 compare, is one more “fun” than the other? I live in eastern Canada so no POW, but do plan to start heading out west once a year with the family as the kids get older. The deck will mainly be used on groomers, but want the best one for being nimble to turn under the trees and stable at feel. I still skid turns so something that will allow this would definably be appreciated.
Any information you can share to help me choose one over the other will be greatly appreciated!
As always thanks for the great advice.
Mike
Hi Mike
For what you’re describing, I wouldn’t say there’s a wrong choice. Both are good in hard/icy conditions (though I’d say the Hybrid just a little better there, in my experience), neither are really punishing of skidded turns and both going to be quite similar in terms of being nimble, IMO (assuming 157 Hybrid versus 159W Dynamo). In those sizes, I would say Hybrid going to be a little better for powder for when you do get it. If you were to size down to the 156W Dynamo, then I’d say that would be more nimble than the 157 Hybrid and, of course, the 159W Dynamo. Both have a pretty stable feel.
Not sure that’s helped you decide at all! But hopefully it gives you something more to go off
Hey Nate,
As we’ve been going back and forth the shop I was about to order the 2021 Hybrid from just went out of stock 🙁 !!! So the search continues to try and find a 2021 model (color will match my current bindings) lol
Would you say the Hybrid is a more advanced board compared to the standard? And between the 2 does one feel more aggressive than the other (better at speed, faster/quicker turning)?
As always, your input is appreciated and invaluable!
Hi Mike
Hate it when that happens!
I would say that the Hybrid is a slightly more advanced board. There’s not a lot in it. They feel like a similar flex to me. The Hybrid is a little more camber dominant. That little bit of extra rocker in the Standard makes it just a little more forgiving. So, yeah Hybrid a subtly more advanced board, IMO.
For the same reason’s I would say the Hybrid is a little more aggressive, but again subtly, and nothing overly aggressive or anything. Both very similar to me in terms of speed and agility. If I had to choose, I’d say Hybrid a hair better at speed and Standard a hair better in terms of short/sharp turns, but really nothing in it. And it would also depend on how you sized each board as well.
Hey Nate – I’ve been riding for 3 years now, 1 year on a season rental and the last two on a 2019 Capita Outerspace Living. Purchasing a new board this year and looking for something that’s more in the all-mountain and/or freeride category. I’m 5’9/165 with size 9 boots.
I’m somewhere on the intermediate spectrum, I’m comfortable on any blue and most blacks other than super tight tree runs. I spend my days cruising groomers and getting into gladed areas if the snow is good. Zero interest in the park. Live in Colorado and do all of my riding here.
Looking for something a little less chattery at high speeds and a more advanced board in general that will force me to get better. Everyone I ride with is advanced so I’m looking for a board that’s faster on groomers and better in powder than my outerspace living. The hybrid is currently my top choice, and also considering the United Shapes Cadet, Ride Warpig, Jones Stratos and Jones Hovercraft. I know the last 3 are probably more advanced boards but I’m considering getting something that I can grow into as I improve, even if it might be a tougher transition than it seems like the Yes Hybrid would be.
Any advice would be appreciated!
Thanks!
Hi Drew
Thanks for your message.
I think the Hybrid would be a good step up from the Outerspace Living and give you more in terms of stability at speed and powder, for sure, without being too much of a leap. Note that the Hybrid is a wider board and you would need to size down to the 153 with your specs.
I’ve never ridden anything United Shapes, so I can’t really comment on that, but the Warpig isn’t that advanced. I think it’s intermediate friendly. But keep in mind that it’s also something that’s particularly wide, so you would need to size down. Probably even more so than the Hybrid. I would say 151 is the best bet for the Warpig for your specs. In my experience I would go Hybrid over Warpig – but that said, I haven’t ridden the Warpig since the 2018 model. But not as good for speed, IMO.
The Stratos and Hovercraft are certainly a bigger step up. My biggest concern there would be maneuverability in the trees. They’re going to be harder work in there. If you were to go with one of those I would say 156 for the Statos and the Hovercraft is a tough one – the 156 feels a bit big and the 152 a bit small.
I would also consider the Navigator (155) and Hyperkyarve (157) – boards that you’d easily be able to step up to, but would still give you a step up from the OSL or even the Skeleton Key (154).
Also check out >>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards – they’re more do it all and less freeride focused, but could be something that stands out for you in there (focus on the score breakdowns to see what might suit) – and if you really did want to step things up even more then there’s also >> My Top 10 Freeride Snowboards. But I would be inclined to stick with something that’s more of a 1 step up than 3 steps up. But if you did really want to take that extra leap, there’s some good options in there.
Hope this helps
Thanks for the advice!
You’re very welcome Drew. Thanks for visiting!
I love this board. Got the 157 uninc and I wish I’d bought one earlier when I was travelling.
Perfect size for me. Found it was just all over great for everything. Great at slow speeds, but still can carve great at speed. Nose a lil flappy at speeds but nothing major. Plus a great platform to butter.
Holds a great edge and is great when traversing.
Once again best board for me of 2021. I’ve ridden the capita kazu 57(great board too) burton hometown 56w and yes basic rdm uninc 56w. All great boards I will keep
But hybrid was the most Stoke.
Hi Tim
Thanks for your input – and awesome that you’re stoked on the Hybrid. Love that board. Might try and get back on it again next winter!
Hi Nate! Thank you for providing useful information and for spreading the stoke! I’m pretty close to purchase and I’m choosing between the Gnu Hyperkyarve and the Gnu Mullair/Essential service. I’m an good–>advanced rider and I like a board that can go fast and carves on groomers, sends it on rollers and floats in powder and can handle a drop to pow landing. I don’t spend too much time in the park but I do like to hit the occasional park jump and play around with butters when the angle of the slopes doesn’t allow for speed 😉
Most important is high speed carving and float in powder.
Thanks in advance!
/M
Hi Henry
Thanks for your message.
The Hyperkyarve is a little easier to butter and a little easier to ride at slower speeds, but all round for what you’re describing, particularly that your most important thing is high speed carving and powder, I would go Mullair/Essential Service. In terms of powder, they’re fairly similar. If I had to say, I’d say the Hyperkyarve a little better in powder. But the Mullair/ES very noticeably a better carver and better at high speed, IMO. So based on what you’re describing I’d say Mullair/ES for sure.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate!
First of all thank you for reviews and taking the time to answer everyone’s questions.
I currently ride a 157CM Libtech TRS.I am 5 10′ 175lbs with 11.5 boots. I was looking for a directional board that can handle east coast ice,carve well,turn fast in and out of trees and handle powder on our annual out west trip.
I have been dead set on the Yes Pick Your Line .I feel like it checks all of the boxes above. But now I’ve come across your review of the Yes Hybrid. A softer shorter Wide board sounds fun . Compared to the PYL which one is a better carver and what board has better edge hold for ice?What board is better in pow?
If you have time could you do a quick comparison of the two boards.
I’m thinking the 157cm for the Hybrid and a 161W for the PYL
THANKS
Hi Matthew
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, I think size-wise, you’re spot on with 157 for the Hybrid and 160W for the PYL, for you specs.
In terms of carving, the PYL has it over the Hybrid, IMO. Hybrid still a good carver though, but PYL a little better, IMO.
For powder, it’s a close call, but I’d say Hybrid is the better powder board.
I would say no difference for hard/icy conditions. Both very good in that area, IMO.
In terms of quick turns in trees, I’d say probably the PYL a little better in that respect, but when you take into account sizing 157 on the Hybrid and 160W on the PYL, there’s not a lot in it, I would say. The 157 Hybrid is still wider than the 160W PYL (at waist, at inserts and at contact points), but sizing down to 157 really helps to gain back any maneuverability lost by the extra width.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Thanks, I think I’m leaning towards the PYL. I agree it may handle better in the steep runs weaving in and out of mogels.I’m thinking it will turn faster then the Hybrid. I’m starting to see some the reviews on the Hybrid that say it’s slow to turn . Now this may be a result of a people with small boots and a wide board. 🤷♂️
Hi Matthew
Yeah I think that’s partly small boots on a wide board for sure. And I don’t have the biggest feet (US10s) but I didn’t find it overly slow to turn personally, but the PYL is a quicker turner still.
Hi Nate…Thanks for providing all the info on your site. Very helpful, as I am in the market to upgrade my board. Been riding for about five years on what I believe to be a beginner LTD Raider board. It has served me well, but am ready to see if a new board can help me improve and take my skills to another level. Based on your article, I would consider myself an intermediate rider. I spend most of my time on groomers, though do enjoy trying to keep up with my friends in the powder and through the trees when we get fresh snow. My primary goal is to improve linking turns at higher speed and learning how to carve. I have no interest in the park or riding switch. This is why I am looking at your list of “Surfy Freeride Snowboards.”
The following boards seem they might be a good fit. Curious if you agree and which one or two you recommend the most. I chose these three because I figure it’s best that I purchase a board that is “stable” and “versatile,” yet is “directional” at the same time. BTW…I live in CA, so many days are spent riding the “Sierra cement.”
1. YES Hybrid: This board if very highly rated and checks off most of the categories. One question I have is that it’s described as a “short wide.” Does this matter if I am used to riding a standard board?
2. Lib Tech Dynamo: I like the idea that this board feels like “an all-mountain board, yet is directional.” Maybe the best of both worlds and a good transition for me?
3. Endeavor Scout: I like the price and seems that this board might work, too. But wonder if this board is good for daily use? Could be wrong but seems more geared for powder and just OK for groomers.
Thanks in advance for any feedback you might offer on these boards. And, by all means, let me know if you think there are any other boards better suited for me. Size of board and any suggestions on bindings would also be helpful. Should probably mention that I am 52, about 5″11,” 190 lbs, and 10 1/2 – 11 shoe size.
Matt
Hi Matt
Thanks for your message.
YES Hybrid: I think this could definitely work, in the right size. It is a short/wide, so you’d need to down size in terms of length – and will take some getting used to if you’re not used to short/wide, but could certainly work for what you’re describing. Size-wise, I would go 157 probably for your specs. The 153 would be doable too, if you really wanted to optimize for trees and faster edge-to-edge transitions (at the sacrifice of stability at speed and float in powder – though the 153 would still be good in powder with your specs, IMO).
Dynamo: This would definitely work too. I’d say go 159 for this one. With 10.5s, you should be all good with the 159 regular width. If you end up 11s, it would be pushing it being too narrow though. With 11s, you might need to go 159W.
Scout: It is geared towards powder for sure, but surprised me how good it felt on groomers, particularly carving, so I think this could definitely work too. Size-wise though, is the biggest question mark. The 160 or 156? The 160 would be the better length and with 11s would be well wide enough. It’s just a question of whether it’s too big overall when taking into account length and width. The 156 is around 268mm at the back insert, which should be OK, but if you’re riding with quite a straight back binding angle and in 11s, then it might be pushing it. With 10.5s, you’d likely be fine on the 156. Then the question becomes whether the 156 is marginally too small overall.
You could also check out all-mountain options like these, if you wanted or something like the Jones Frontier, but the 3 you mentioned would certainly work for what you’re describing, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate…Thanks for your quick response. Information is extremely helpful. I had a few quick follow-up questions, if you don’t mind. Would really appreciate your feedback.
So, think I will rule out the YES Hybrid and Endeavor Scout. Sound like great boards, but maybe not best suited for me as a “daily user.” I am still really interested in the Lib Tech Dynamo. But wonder if the hybrid rocker profile might cause any issues, if I am not used to riding on that type of board. I see that it is “camber dominant,” so maybe it doesn’t matter all that much?
Second, you really piqued my interest with the Jones Frontier. I read your review and seems like this could be the right board for me. Given my specs, would you recommend the 162? Even thought the board “rides a bit longer,” I feel that the 164W or 165 might be too big.
Last, I read a few comments on your site regarding the Capita Navigator and Mercury boards. Both seem like they could be a fit, though I’d probably lean towards the Navigator given my interest in exploring freeriding. Be interested in hearing your thoughts on these two boards and how they compare with the Dynamo and Frontier. Suggestion on size appreciated, too.
Specs again are:
– 5′ 11″
– 190 lbs
– 10 1/2 – 11 shoe
Thanks, Nate!
Hi Matt
You don’t notice the rocker that much on the Dynamo. It’s mostly camber with just very subtle rocker. It’s there and you can feel it but it still has a stable feel to it overall. Doesn’t feel loose or anything, which hybrid rocker can feel sometimes. It doesn’t feel locked-in like full camber can sometimes, but I would say it’s right in the middle with a stable feel. If you were still concerned, the Frontier and Navigator are really good options, if you think you’d prefer Hybrid Camber instead.
Yeah, I would go 162 if you went Frontier. That’s going a little longer. Not need to go as long as 165 for your specs, IMO. And 162 should be wide enough, even if you end up in 11 boots, IMO.
Navigator would definitely fit what you’re describing. And from what you’re describing, I would also go Navigator over Mercury for you. Size-wise, I would be leaning towards the 161 – and that would be wide enough for 11s too. The 158 is a possibility for sure though, if you wanted to keep things shorter. Wide enough for 10.5s for sure, but borderline for 11s in the 158.
Awesome, thanks Nate! Think I’m going to go with the Frontier. See a 162 and 161W online. Much difference? Promise, last question 🙂
Hi Matt
I would go 162 for you. It’s a wider board than it looks just based on waist width (the 161 is around 270mm at the back insert and 273mm at the front insert) and I think it’s just right for 11s and 10.5s. The 162W getting a little wide even for 11s. Size-wise, the 162 is your best bet, IMO.
Nate,
Awesome site. Lots of great information but could use some advice. I have been riding on and off for about 20 years with about 15 of that being on my current set up. I find that my riding style has evolved to include more groomers but am not opposed to going back country and riding in powder, I stay away from the park. I want to start riding more frequently but need a new board to get me going in that direction, boots and bindings will be a need too, but I want to start with the board and go from there. My specs are:
5’-10”
190 lbs
Size 10 boot
What would you recommend for someone trying to get back on the mountain?
Hi Daniel
Thanks for your message.
I think something from this list will work, if you’re not looking to ride switch at all, want something not too stiff, and given you like to ride groomer and off-groomer/backcountry. Given that it sounds like you’ll be riding a fair bit on groomers, there are some here that are more powder specialized that I probably wouldn’t go for, like the Mind Expander and Ultralight Powder Displacement Snowcraft.
The rest I think will be suitable. They’re all a little different. This list is the most eclectic of everything I have. I think one thing to decide is it you think you’d like a surfier, looser kind of ride or a more precise one. Once you decide that, then you could look at the “feel” listed under each board, to get an idea of what might suit you better. And also pay attention to the score breakdowns to see what you feel will work well for your riding style.
Size-wise, I’d say around 158-160, but it also depends on the board. I would be happy to give my sizing opinion on individual boards, if you are able to narrow down your list to 2 or 3.
You could also check out the following:
>>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards
If you wanted something with a less directional feel.
Hope this helps
Nate,
I appreciate your input. My current board is a Palmer Honeycircle 161 and I ride with Burton 3D step in bindings boots and it has worked well for me but definitely time for an upgrade.
Looking for something with a more stable/locked in feel that is good with carving and turning, I have grown out of my park/freestyle phase so jumping is not important. I don’t ride switch much, except when I need to due to the terrain. I want something that will be able to handle all conditions between powdery/soft conditions to icy. Based on your reviews below are the boards that appear to meet what I am looking for.
Yes Hybrid 161
Lib Tech EJack 159
Yes Pick Your Line 159
I am curious what your thoughts are and if you feel I am looking at the right type of board and what type of bindings and boots you think I should look at too. I am not committed to sticking to with step ins. Appreciate any additional input you have.
Hi Daniel
I think those options are really good for what you’re describing. For the Hybrid though, I would look at sizing to the 157. It’s a really wide board and with 10s, the 161 would be too big overall, IMO. I think the 157 would work well though. The Hybrid is the softer flexing of the 3 (I felt it around 6/10 flex). The Ejack Knife around 7/10 flex and the PYL 7.5/10 bordering on 7/10. So would depend on how stiff you wanted to go.
For the PYL you could also go 162. It’s the kind of board you can ride a little longer. The 159 works too, and if you wanted to have a more mellow feeling to the flex, then erring shorter would give you that.
The Ejack Knife I’d probably go 159. But 162 isn’t out of range either.
In terms of boots and bindings I would try to match the board for flex or err a little stiffer. So if you ended up with the Hybrid, then something 6/10 or 7/10 flex. If the other 2, then something 7/10 to 8/10 would be good, but you could even go stiffer if you really wanted that stiffer boot/binding setup.
Some options:
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
>>Top 5 Freeride Bindings
Hey Nate, found this website and it has been really helpful in trying to find a new setup. I am recently getting back into riding after taking a break for about 8 years and looking to update my ride. I’m currently riding a 156 Fourm Delvin Walsh Twin head that’s about 20 years old lol. My current stats are 5’11, 175, with size 11.5-12 boots. I’d say that I’m a good intermediate/low end expert rider and most of my riding these days is mostly cruising with my family and a occasional trip through the park when not with them to hit a few jumps, but nothing crazy. Almost 40 and not trying to hurt myself like I did when I was young. Most of my riding is in CA if that helps. On a side note, most likely will be going to the Burton Step on’s. Basically I’m open to all suggestions and just trying to find a board that will suit me well for the next 5-10 years or so. Also curious to know if you think I should go to a wider board or not giving my boot size? Some of the boards I’ve had my eye on so far are:
Arbor Coda Rocker 157MW
Arbor Westmark Camber 157MW
Arbor Element Camber 156
Burton Deep thinker 157W
Burton Custom Camber 158W or Flying V 158W
Lib Tech Cold Brew 157
Hi Cole
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of sizing, I would go wide with 11.5-12s. Length-wise, I think you’re good around that 156-159 range, so length-wise, I think everything there looks good.
For the Arbor options, I think going camber is probably a good idea for you a. because you’re at a level where you’ll appreciate the camber and won’t have any issues riding it and b. if you’re board is 20 years old, then you’re definitely used to riding camber
The Westmark Camber is more freestyle oriented, so not as suitable to your style, IMO. But the 157W would be a good size. 156 Element Camber going to be too narrow, IMO. I think the Element Camber would certainly work for you though, but just for sizing. The Coda Camber or Shiloh Camber would work well, but you’d have to go to 160MW to get something wide enough, which is getting on the longer side for you, IMO. It’s not undoable, but getting to the bigger end of your range. May not be as good for cruising with the family or for the jumps.
Burton Deep Thinker 157W a good size. This is a stiffer more aggressive board and not as suitable for jumps, IMO. But doable if you’re not spending that much time with jumps. The biggest question I’d have with this one is if it’s a bit too much board – i.e. not as easy to ride slow when riding with the family.
Burton Custom Camber 158W would be a good choice, IMO. The Flying V I think you would likely find too loose. But if you like the idea of a loose feeling board, then it’s certainly an option (which would also bring the Coda Rocker 157MW back into play).
Lib Tech Cold Brew – I haven’t ridden it, but based on other similar Lib Tech boards, I’d say it’s on the looser side. Not as much as something like the Custom Flying V, but there’s more rocker than camber in the feel with the C2 camber. If you’re good with something a little surfier/looser, then this would work, but I would go to the 158W.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
You helped me pick a board a couple years ago after getting back on the horse after an injury. Thank YOU! Now I’m looking for your opinion on an upgrade or an addition.
I’m 5’8” 155-160lbs with size 9s. I went with a 2017 Ride Wildlife in 155. I’m now looking for something more powder specific that can still charge but will still be nimble enough in the trees. I’ve got a couple used boards on the radar in a 2017 Burton Landlord, and 2018 Skeleton Key both in in 154. I also am considering the Flight Attendant 156 and Jones Hovercraft 156. Curious to hear your thoughts. Thanks.
Hi Jeff
Good to hear from you again.
Firstly, I think the Hovercraft in the 156 is probably on the too big side. It’s quite a wide board and something you want to size down for unless you have a longer foot/boot size. For your specs, with the combination of length and width, I think the 156 would be too long.
The other boards would work and sizing would work too, IMO. I haven’t ridden the Landlord but what I know of it/specs etc, I think it would likely be the most nimble of the 3 Burton options there – largely because it’s narrower and shorter than the Flight Attendant and sounds like it’s a surfier, slightly softer flexing feel. So I think that would likely be the most nimble option for you. The Skeleton Key 154 I think is a good size. It’s a little wider, but sizing down a little to the 154 it would work. It’s also a softer more easy going ride than the Flight Attendant. The Flight Attendant isn’t ultra stiff by any means – but it’s more like 7/10, compared to the Skeleton Key’s 5.5/10. Size wise, the FA is narrower than the SK, so going 156 is a good bet for your specs, IMO, assuming a relatively advanced level.
I think between the 3, it depends if you want something more carvy, a little more aggressive and better stability at speed (Flight Attendant) or a slightly more relaxed, slightlier surfier feel (SK & Landlord). All 3 will be more precise/locked-in feeling than the Wildlife, IMO. But the SK & Landlord a little less so than the Flight Attendant.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for getting back to me Nate! Do you have any other recommendations for a more powder oriented board that will have good float and be fun charging in the powder as well as being nimble in the trees? Do any boards blend those well? What would you ride for that?
Hi Jeff
Yeah definitely some boards blend that well. First boards that come to mind:
– YES PYL
– Capita Kazu
– Capita Navigator
– GNU Mullair
– Never Summer Westbound
These boards will let you charge, but I also found to be nimble at slower speeds, and good float in powder.
Hi Nat,
I really appreciate what you do – please don’t stop & I’m keeping my fingers crossed!
I want to share one of my concerns…
I’m willing to buy a board which bombs the slope, going well on uneven terrain, but also has a good flow on pow. After reading this post I’m close to choose YES Hybrid, but still thinking of Mervin boards and it’s Magne Traction technology…
And here is the concern: basing on your experience – does Magne Traction really makes that big difference when carving and riding on icy slopes/uneven terrain?
Thanks!
Hi Peter
Thanks for your message.
I do find that magnetraction does improve edge-hold in hard/icy conditions. It’s certainly not the only factor – there are other things – like a board with more camber tends to have better edgehold in hard/icy conditions over a board with more rocker (all else being equal) – and of course how sharp the edges of the board are – and the edge bevel also play a bit part. But in my experience magnetraction makes a difference. However, that said, YES boards with Mid-Bite and Underbite tend to work well in hard/icy conditions too.
If I had to say, all else being equal on a board, then maybe magnetraction slightly more edgehold in icy conditions, but there’s not a lot in it, IMO – and I wouldn’t use it as deal breaker, unless you really need a tie breaker between two boards. Like, if you were like, I like these two boards equally, and these two boards are the perfect size/dimensions for me, then you could use it as a final tie breaker, but otherwise wouldn’t put too much on it. Certainly if you need good edge-hold in ice, then are some boards I wouldn’t look at, but between YES and Mervin it’s not a big difference, IMO.
Also, keep in mind that not all Mervin boards are the same in terms of edge-hold in icy conditions. For example, I found the Hybrid better in icy conditions than the GNU Hyperkyarve. I think part of that is just that the Hybrid has more camber.
Anyway, hope this helps with your decision
hi Nate:)
current board Burton Flightattendant 162w
height 185cm
weight 117kg
problem. I feel it gives away way to easily on hard and icy snow
im an old experienced rider , snowboard used to be my life and I have done a fair bit of competitions and so on. even tho im now a fat and old dad I do really know how to ride.
before the attendant I used to ride a Burton supermodel 162 and I really liked it. however that was not only twenty years ago I am now also almost 40 kg heavier. so I haven’t been riding much in a long time. But im trying to get back in the saddle again, mostly riding with my son. I like to ride fast and make long and tight carves. maybe hit some powder if I find it. hit side edges and so on.. Now looking for a new board
but the attendant gives away to easily, I don’t know if the problem is the construction of the board with its taperd tail or its just the board thats to short for my old and fat bodyweight.
all the sizcharts I’ve seen online sugests boards 166-170. maybe im living in denial but do I really need that long board?
I’ve been thinking about the Burton custom x 166 w
or the hometown hero 165 w.
or jones flagship 165w . but since I have Burton channel bindings I rather not switch them out im pretty stuck with Burton.
or do you think I need an even longer board?
best regards from the very north of Sweden.
Petter
Hi Petter
Thanks for your message.
I think going longer is going to be a good idea. I don’t think you need to go as long as 170 though. But I would size up to around 164-166. If you think that Taper is playing a role, then I would be leaning towards the Custom X 166W – as the Hometown Hero and Flagship both have more taper than the Flight Attendant.
If you wanted to keep a bit of taper, there are some other options that grip better in hard/icy snow. I think Custom X would work for what you’re describing, but if you wanted some other options in a more tapered shape but with better hard/icy conditions grip, I would be happy to give some examples.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate!
I can’t explain how crucial this site has been in helping me find the right board! Really appreciate all the work you’ve done here.
I have narrowed down my options to Burton Flight Attendant or Skeleton key (open to other Burton recs! )
Context:
– Typically ride west coast (will be living in Tahoe, trips to Jackson / Big Sky)
– I am coming from a Burton Custom Twin flying V from 2017.
– Absolutely love the pop and appreciate some of the forgiveness but the board is super chattery at high speeds. I rarely ride switch anymore aside from the occasional 180.
– I think its time to move toward something more directional. I want something for all mountain.
Riding style:
– I love side hits/popping off rollers or anything haha
– Not much park but will probably hit jumps mainly straight airs with a grab and the occasional spin.
– A lot of fast riding, I would say I do more riding straight with skidded turns than I do big carves.
– I will definitely do some hiking this year.
H / W:
– I am 6ft
– but weigh like ~140
– So I fear that the FA at 156 will be too much board for me and the 152 will be too short.
Both seem like great boards but I feel stuck in the middle. The skeleton key is seems to be too soft while the FA seems too stiff. I fear I’ll loose agility with the FA in tighter trees / moguls. But I fear that the skeleton key will be too playful and not stable enough (and potentially not as poppy).
I am planning on keeping the old custom twin (but still for the sake of traveling think I would like to find a solid all around board). Sorry for the long question, I cant thank you enough!
Hi Jason
Thanks for your message.
Definitely understand your concerns and how you want to get it right.
The Skeleton Key is pretty stable for it’s flex – and it’s not super soft. So I wouldn’t be too worried about it’s stability at speed. And the FA isn’t super stiff either. Although if you were to go 156, it would feel stiffer at your weight than what I would feel it, so if you are concerned about it being too stiff, I would be a little wary of going 156. The Skeleton Key in a 154 is also likely to feel a little stiffer than 5.5, IMO. Not by much, but maybe more like a 6/10 for you. So, from that respect, I would be leaning towards 154 Skeleton Key over 156 FA. The 152 FA I think would be doable – on the shorter end for you. I would predict that would feel more like a 7/10 for you in that size. But I would be concerned about width for that size. If you could let me know your boot size, that would really help for sizing.
The Hometown Hero is another option from Burton that might suit what you’re describing too – and has a flex in between the FA and Skeleton Key (by my feel).
But yeah if you can let me know your boot size, that would be great.
Thank you for the fast reply!
My current boot size is 11.5 and I have the Malavita Bindings.
Hi Jason
With 11.5s, the 152 and 156 FA are going to be too narrow for you, IMO. If you’re coming from a narrow board (not sure what size your Custom Twin is), and you’re confident on something that narrow, then you might be OK, but otherwise, they are definitely on the narrow side, IMO. The 159W FA is going to be too big, so there’s not really a suitable size for the FA, IMO.
The Skeleton Key is a wider board, so the 154 Skeleton Key would give you a bit more leeway there. But it’s still borderline for 11.5s. Again, if you’re coming from something relatively narrow and are comfortable with it, then it might be doable – more doable than the FA, IMO. For reference the 154 Skeleton Key will be roughly 266mm at the inserts versus the FA 156 at around 258mm at the inserts.
For the Hometown Hero, the 156W would be a good width, IMO. The length works too. On the bigger side, but being slightly softer than the FA, might be OK and might be good to have a longer board in the quiver. What size Custom Twin do you have?
Hey Nate, I have snowboarded the past few seasons on some big old board I bought for $50 in Canada… it’s done me well up in BC and other places I’ve been, but now I just moved to Flagstaff, AZ and will be riding like 2-5 days a week… I’m not quite sure what to get but when you say “surfy”, it sounds up my alley… maybe you could provide some guidance/clarity? I am not a speed demon. Ideally, I’d live next to the beach and surf every day, but Snowboarding is the next best thing (maybe even better after my first true season?)… I like to just cruise, lay down some big carves, have fun and focus on style… these boards look good, but I don’t want to get on something that’s too technical and I find myself catching an edge and eating crap often.
Any guidance you have would be much appreciated.
Hi Colton
Thanks for your message.
If you’re looking to ride predominantly in one direction (i.e. not riding switch a lot) and aren’t really going to be doing a lot of freestyle stuff (park etc), and you want something that’s a little more mellow than a stiff freeride board, then this is the right place to be, IMO. Like I mentioned at the top of the list – the term “surfy” is perhaps not fully accurate in this case – it’s more like “easy going, softer” freeride boards – but that doesn’t really have a ring to it! I’m thinking of changing it to “mellow” freeride boards, as someone has suggested.
But since you are looking for something surfy, there are some on this list that certainly do have a nice surfy feel to them. And typically anything surfy feeling isn’t going to be catchy. For each board I’ve listed a “feel” for them, to note if they’re more surfy/loose, or more locked-in/precise. Check those out to get an idea of what might suit you. The Hyperkyarve was the board that first sprung to mind as I read through your message. It’s very easy going and has that surfy feel to it. The Jones Mind Expander is another good surfy option. As is the Capita Ultralight Powder Displacement Snowcraft, but it’s more powder specialized and really a quiver board, that you’d usually get in addition to another board.
Size is important too. I would be happy to give you my opinion on size if you wanted it. I would just need your height, weight and boot size. I already have how you like to ride and your rough ability level (which also come into sizing.
Nice list. Since some of the boards aren’t that surfy you could call it “mellow freeride”… Something that may fit in this category, which I am interested in, is the Lib Tech BRD (solid). Have you had a chance to ride it? Seems like it would be fun in moderate powder and have decent performance without being too demanding. Any thoughts on this board? Thanks!
Hi Chip
Thanks for the suggestion. I might change it to “mellow”. Will let it simmer and see.
I haven’t ridden the BRD unfortunately, but I agree, based on specs and my experience with other similar Lib Tech boards, that it would likely be a good fit for this category. Hard to say how it would feel in real life, but with Lib Tech rating it 6 or 7 in flex, depending on size, and (IMO anyway) since they’re boards are often a little softer flexing, by me feel, than their ratings, it’s likely to be around 6/10 flex, I’d say – so yeah. It does have the C3 camber, but then so does the Dynamo, which is mellow, despite the C3 camber. Will have to try to get on it this season.