Hello and welcome to my Burton Skeleton Key review.
In this review, I will take a look at the Skeleton Key as a mellow freeride snowboard.
As per tradition here at SnowboardingProfiles.com I will give the Skeleton Key a score out of 100 (based on several factors) and see how it compares with other mellow-freeride snowboards.
Overall Rating
Board: Burton Skeleton Key
Price: $579
Style: Mellow Freeride
Flex Rating: Medium
Flex Feel on Snow: Medium (5.5/10)
Rating Score: 90.3/100
Compared to other Men’s Mellow Freeride Boards.
Out of the 32 men’s freeride snowboards that I rated:
Overview of the Skeleton Key’s Specs
Check out the tables for the Skeleton Keys specs and available sizes.
Specs
Style: | Mellow Freeride |
Price: | $579 |
Ability Level: |  |
Flex: |  |
Feel: |  |
Turn Initiation: | Medium-Fast |
Edge-hold: |  |
Camber Profile: | Directional Hybrid Camber Camber to tail and rocker in the nose |
Shape: | |
Setback Stance: | Setback 50mm |
Base: | Sintered |
Weight: | Normal |
Sizing
LENGTH (cm) | Waist Width (mm) | Rec Rider Weight (lb) | Rec Rider Weight (kg) |
|---|---|---|---|
150 | 252 | 120-180 | 54-82 |
154 | 256 | 120-180 | 54-82 |
158 | 258 | 150-200 | 68-91 |
162 | 262 | 180-260+ | 82-118+ |
Who is the Skeleton Key Most Suited To?
The Skeleton Key is great for anyone looking for a softer flexing freeride board. Someone who wants to carve, hit powder whenever they can and might like popping some rollers, ollies or lips.
Not for someone who likes to ride switch or do 180s, but not a lot of freeride boards are.
Not for a beginner at all. It's not overly stiff, but still too stiff for a beginner - and there's a a lot of camber there, so even someone who is just identifying as intermediate might struggle a little too. Solid intermediate and up, IMO.
The Skeleton Key in More Detail
O.k. let’s take a more detailed look at what the Skeleton Key is capable of.
Demo Info
Board: Burton Skeleton Key 2020, 158cm (258mm waist width)
Date: March 9, 2019
Conditions: Sunny with some clouds and perfect visibility.
Snow was well groomed and soft on top on groomers and soft but quite tracked off groomer (but there had been quite recent snowfall and still some untouched pockets).
Bindings angles: +15/-15
Stance width: 560mm (22″)
Stance Setback: Setback 50mm
Width at Inserts: 268mm (10.55") at front insert and 268mm (10.55")*
*unusual for a board this directional to have identical back and front insert widths, but in this case the setback seems to cancel out the taper. Taper usually makes the back insert narrower than the front insert, but setback means that the back insert is on a wider part of the board as it's closer to the wide points, but in this case those 2 things seem to cancel out.
Rider Height: 6'0"
Rider Weight: 185lbs
Rider Boot Size: US10 Vans Aura
Bindings Used: Burton Malavita M
Powder
The Skeleton Key provides really effortless float in powder. It was an enjoyable board to hit the powder on for sure, and I'm sure would perform well in deeper powder too.
And it was no surprise that this was the case, given the rocker in the nose, the long wide nose vs the narrower, shorter tail and a good amount of setback along the effective edge too.
There was 59cm from the center of the front binding to the end of the nose and 42cm from the center of the back binding to the end of the tail - so you're a good bit back on this board, and you really felt that in the powder.
It's just that little bit wider too, so it's really set up to ride powder.
Carving & Turning
Carving: A great little carver. It's got plenty of camber and spring out of turns and just really fun to carve on. S turns are fun too. It's not so unforgiving that you can't ride it a little more casual too, when you feeling it.
Maneuverability at slow speeds: It's not super agile, but it's not a tank at slower speeds either. Having that softer flex for a typical freeride board helps to make it more agile at slower speeds.
Skidded Turns: Doable, but not ideal.
Speed
I was surprised at how stable the Skeleton Key felt after opening it out. When riding it slower it felt like it had quite a bit of flex to it, which usually makes a board feel a little wobbly when riding fast. But it surprised me. Not the bomber that stiffer boards can be, but still really good.
Uneven Terrain
Handled uneven terrain really well. Forgiving enough in crud and going over bumpy terrain and nimble enough to go around bumps. The personality of this board adapts well to both slower, trickier terrain and faster terrain where you can open out.
Let’s Break up this text with a Video
The Skeleton Key starts at 3:32 in the video.
Jumps
Not bad for jumps. Not something I'd be doing too many spins on, but for straight air it's not bad.
Pop: The pop isn't epic. It's not like what you get out the Paramount of anything like that, but it's decent enough. Decent spring off the tail.
Approach: Nice and stable for approaches to larger jumps. Not ideal for smaller jumps or trickier side hits, but not bad either.
Landing: Nice and solid on a landing, but forgiving enough too.
Side-hits: OK on side-hits. Not for doing 1's off sidehits, IMO, and not like super nimble for trickier approaches, but poppy enough and not bad overall. But certainly good for straight air over rollers, lips etc.
Small jumps/Big Jumps: Slightly more suited to medium to large jumps vs smaller jumps/hits.
Switch
Felt weird to ride switch and looking at the specs it's no surprise.
Spins
Not really one for spins, IMO. Just didn't feel like a natural spinner - and taking off and landing switch wasn't great.
Jibbing
Not one for jibbing really. Doable if you really want to, but limited for jibs.
Butters
It's got some flex in the tip and tail, but not really one for buttering and the tip and tail flex feels different, so it's just a bit weird to butter on.
Score Breakdown and Final Verdict
Check out the breakdown of the score in the table below.
RATING | Contribution to Final Score | |
|---|---|---|
POWDER | 4.5 | 27/30 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 4.0 | 12/15 |
CARVING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 4.0 | 12/15 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPEED | 3.5 | 7/10 |
JUMPS | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
SWITCH | 2.0 | 2/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 90.3/100 |
Overall, the Skeleton Key is a fun ride - nice and carvy with all that camber, but handles powder and uneven terrain really well too and isn't bad for jumps/ollies either.
It's a great option for those looking for a softer flexing freeride board and one that's a little lower cost than most freeride boards.
More Info, Current Prices and Where to Buy Online
If you want to learn more about the Skeleton Key, or if you are ready to buy, or if you just want to research prices and availability, check out the links below.
If you want to check out some other mellow freeride snowboard options, or if you want to compare how the Skeleton Key compares to other mellow freeride snowboards, then check out the next link.
Thanks for the review of this board. Do you know if the 2022 “Mystery” Burton Skeleton Key XX is a much improved version of this board?
Hi CH
We never tested the Mystery Skeleton Key XX. We don’t tend to test boards in that price range as it’s out of reach for most. Based on specs, I think the biggest difference you’d likely notice is the weight. It’s going to be lighter than the regular Skeleton Key. And quite potentially stronger, so in terms of durability there could be an advantage there, but in my experience most boards are fairly durable, so not sure how much more you’d get out of that. It also has an upgraded base, so it’s likely to feel a little faster or at least have a little better glide. Potentially a little more pop too, but hard to say, having not ridden it. IMO, not worth it for the price difference, when it was released. But if you can find a Mystery Skeleton Key now, you’d likely be able to get a good deal on it, given it’s a couple of seasons passed now.
Hi Nate, awesome reviews & site! I’m 6’1″ and 190lbs. I’d put myself as a level 5 on your chart, but maybe a level 6. Coming from a carving skiing background, I’ve only ridden beginner rental boards, like Burton Progression 157cm & K2 Raygun 156cm so far.
I’d like to buy a board now, but don’t know what my preference would be for things like flex or feel. I love carving on groomers and don’t get in the park at all or do tricks. I’d love to spend more time in the powder.
The boards that stand out to me based on your reviews are the Burton Skeleton Key & Show Stopper, but you’ve rated both for level 6 and above. What would be the downside for me getting one of these if I’m truly level 5? And would you recommend one over the other for any particular reason?
I was thinking maybe 158cm for either of those boards (if they are indeed suitable). What would you recommend, please?
Hi Graeme
Thanks for your message.
The biggest thing with these two boards being rated 6 and above is the camber. Neither are super stiff but are quite camber dominant. This just makes them a little more technical to ride. But if you have decent technique, then you should be OK. I didn’t find them overly catchy in the scheme of things, but they’re also certainly not completely catch-free and require better technique and more likely to catch an edge versus the likes of the Burton Progression and K2 Raygun. That said, once you get used to them, they will also help you to carve considerably better than you could on those softer more rocker dominant boards. I’d say the biggest downside is that you’re going to find them more challenging and be more likely to catch an edge, if your technique is off, which can lead to a drop in confidence. But that would only be if they were too far in advance of your current skill set. No guarantees of course, but given your previous skill set on skis and given you like carving, my instinct is that they won’t be too much of a stretch of your abilities. They will take some getting used to vs what you’ve been riding, but I don’t think they’ll be so far out of range for you that they’ll provide “too much challenge”. They’re not super hard boards to ride or anything, so whilst they might stretch you, I think they’re in range enough that they shouldn’t discourage you or be so hard to ride that you don’t adapt to them or not enjoy riding them.
As for size, if you could also let me know your boot size. The Show Stopper in particular is a fairly wide board, so need to take that into account.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate, that’s great info.
I wouldn’t say I feel confident in my technique as I’ve learnt to ride on my own with only a couple lessons of at the very beginning. Also I don’t live near snow, so only get out for a week at a time every few years and the last time was about 5 years ago.
I remember catching a lot of edges in my early days and that’s not a good memory! The last few times out, I don’t remember ever catching an edge (just losing one once), but definitely don’t want to return there.
I’m heading to Queenstown for 5 weeks and hope to spend a lot of time on the snow. Unfortunately I don’t know how good or bad I’m going to be, how quickly I’ll pick it back up, or how much I’ll improve whilst there.
Is there another board that you might recommend which is a little more forgiving, but would help me with carving & powder? (Yeah, not much powder in Queenstown this season, but hoping to head to Japan next year)
Last time I rented US size 9 Nitro Anthem TLS boots.
Also, do you have any recommendation on boots & bindings?
I see the Flux XF at the top of your recommendations for bindings and Burton Ion Boa boots. I think I’d prefer stiff boots because I don’t like the feeling of the foot moving in the boot before the board responds, but I assume the boots I’ve rented have all been less stiff.
Thanks!
Hi Graeme
Definitely some options to look at that are less likely to be catchy (again, I didn’t find either the Skeleton Key or Showstopper to be particularly catchy, but there are more catchfree boards that will still give you more on a carve than the boards you’ve ridden to date).
I would look at the following:
>>Top 10 All-Mountain Snowboards
>>Top 10 Mellow Freeride Boards
And particularly I’d look at the YES Standard, Jones Mountain Twin, Bataleon Goliath Plus, from the first list, which provide a good balance of being uncatchy, but still decent at carving and in powder.
From the second list, I’d particularly be looking at Bataleon Cruiser, Jones Mind Expander and Capita Navigator.
Also note that these lists will be updated soon, taking into account 2024 models. The reason I didn’t mention the Thunderbolt from the first list, is that there won’t be a 2024 model – however, there is a “Thunderstorm” which will be replacing it – and that board was sick, so that’s something to consider too. Will be definitely be making the 2024 list. The Jones Frontier is another option, as is the Never Summer Swift (another board I really liked from the 2024 models I tested).
In terms of bindings/boots, the Flux XF is a great choice and is a good match to those boards mentioned. It’s only downside is a lack of shock absorption, but they are great for carving, in my experience. For all those boards mentioned and given your riding style, I would be looking at bindings with a 6/10 to 7/10 flex, so something from one of the following is a good bet:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain Bindings
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
For boots, again something in that 6/10 to 7/10 flex range is a good bet. The Ions I felt at a 7.5/10 flex, but that should be all good, particularly given your looking to err stiffer and the style of riding you’re looking to do. I haven’t ridden the Nitro Anthem, but they don’t look to be overly soft (look to be rated 6/10 by Nitro). The only Nitro boots I’ve ridden are the Sentinel’s. They were pretty soft – I’d say 4/10 flex, though they are rated 5/10. So the Anthem may be closer to a 5/10 flex – and if they were rental boots with a lot of use under them, they were likely noticeably softer than that (boots soften up over time).
Thanks Nate.
Yeah I’ve been through those two lists you mentioned. None of the boards stood out to me quite like the Skeleton Key or Show Stopper 🙂
I’ve called a few shops also and ended up with a long list of recommendations, rather than just one or two commonly recommended boards.
The Burton Cartographer was described to me as a less aggressive Skeleton Key. I notice you haven’t reviewed that one, might it be part of the updated 2024 reviews?
Hi Graeme
Unfortunately haven’t had a chance to test the Cartographer yet.
Hi Nate,
I’ve really enjoyed going for a deep dive through your website and reading your reviews, they’ve been very helpful.
I’m heading over to Japan and want to upgrade my current setup to be more powder friendly. I’ve been there twice before on my Yes basic and it hasn’t been as much fun as it could’ve been, especially in the powder. I’ll still use the Yes back in Australia and NZ where the snow is more icy and hard.
I think I’m set on the Skeleton Key – everyone that reviews it says it’s a really fun board to ride, great in powder and also good across the rest mountain, expect the park which I don’t really ever hit. It also sounds like the kind of board that if you put in the effort and have the skill you’ll reap the rewards. I would’ve liked something that was better in switch like the Capita Spring Break Powder Pill 158 but you can’t buy them in Australia….which sucks!
I’ll also upgrade my boot and bindings – what would be your recommendation for the skeleton key?
Thanks in advance!
Current setup:
Yes Basic
Nitro Venture TLS Boots
Nitro Zero Bindings
Size:
6’3″
240lbs
11.5US boot
Experience – 5 years of boarding – intermediate
Hi Tom
Thanks for your messages.
Firstly in terms of sizing. I agree that the 162 is your best bet. Everything else Skeleton Key would be too small, IMO.
For boots and bindings, I would be looking at something around 6/10 to 7/10 flex to match the Skeleton Key and your specs. I’d be leaning 7/10, since you’re a bigger guy. Some great options in the following, IMO:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
>>My Top All Mountain (medium to medium-stiff flex) Snowboard Boots
However, you could go as stiff as 8/10 in the boots, especially given that’s what you’re used to with the Nitro Venture (all be it they’re probably not that stiff anymore, if you’ve ridden them a bit).
If you were wanting to go softer with bindings you could also check out:
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
Stepons – even the Gensis Step on and the regular Step On bindings are really responsive, in my experience. So, I wouldn’t go with the X model for the Skeleton Key or it could get a little twitchy. But one of the other 2 would work – and I’d be leaning Photon for the boots. I enjoy Step Ons for carving and really railing turns, so when I’m on them I enjoy certain things but not others. I don’t like them as much for when I want to get more playful/freestyle. For that kind of thing, I don’t like the feeling of being locked in to the highback the way they do, but depending on style of riding they could work. If I had the choice and was in them, I would probably carve the whole day. But I wouldn’t get them for all-round riding as such, personally.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate
Great Review – really enjoyed going on a deep dive through your website.
I’m heading to Niseko in a couple weeks and I want to upgrade my current setup to be more powder friendly. The last 2 times I’ve been to Japan I’ve ridden my yes basic which wasn’t really suitable for powder. I think I’m set on the Skeleton Key. I’m 6′ 3″ and 240lbs so I think the 162 will be the right size. The other option was the 3d Fish (more powder specific) but the 23 graphics are very polarizing. I also won’t be going backcountry, more off piste, through the trees, un-groomed runs.
In addition to the new board I want to upgrade my boot/bindings to be specific for the Skeleton Key. Can you provide a couple options? (preferably boots with BOA lacing) My current setup is Nitro Zero Bindings and Nitro Venture TLS (I’m not a fan of the speed lacing, it always felt difficult to keep them tight). I love the look of the Step On system for its speed to get on especially since I ride with skiers sometimes…but the reviews are both +ve and _ve so I’m not sure if they’re any good.
Thanks in advance for your response.
Cheers
Nate,
I have been shopping for a all mountain quiver killer board and have really valued your reviews. At this point, I’m generally riding one trip per year and looking to replace the Burton Custom I have been riding since 2009 with a board I can ride for the next 15+ years. Consider myself a high-end intermediate / advanced rider comfortable in most all terrain but with little interest in the park or riding switch. I like to ride fast but want something a little more playful also. From your reviews and popular opinion, I would buy the Skeleton Key today for it’s versatility, fun nature and competency all around; but honestly, I just really don’t like the graphic. I am trying to decide between just going with the Skeleton or most likely choosing between the Burton Hometown Hero or the Bataleon Goliath Plus. Great reviews on the Bataleon but I don’t need the park aspect. Seems like you were underwhelmed with the Burton. Would you recommend the Bataleon over Burton even for someone who doesn’t ride park?
Thank you!
Hi Kemp
Thanks for your message.
I think the Bataleon Plus could work for what you’re describing, if you’re not riding that much powder. It’s not terrible in powder, but something like the HTH or Skeleton Key would be better.
The HTH is a little better for riding at speed and higher speed carves (and powder) vs the Goliath Plus and a little more aggressive. The Goliath Plus a little more playful, but still somewhere in between playful and aggressive (i.e. not super playful or anything) and is decent at speed and on a carve. It has aspects that you may not take advantage of (like it’s switch riding abilities) but that doesn’t make it unsuitable.
My instinct is that the Skeleton Key would prob be your best bet, if you could get past the graphic. But both the Goliath Plus and HTH would work as well. The Goliath Plus would be the most different feeling ride to what you’re used to with the Custom. So, that’s something to consider as well. Whether you want something more familiar feeling to the Custom, that you should adapt to fairly quickly – or something that may take a little more getting used to, with the Goliath Plus (particularly because of the 3BT) being something that’s going to take a little more adaptation versus something like the HTH or SK.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate,
This is more of a science question (vs a rec). Air Canada lost my bag with my NeverSummer Harpoon 152 so I rented a Skeleton Key 154. TL;DR: it kicked my butt.
I felt it a bit stiff and like it wanted to run on a straight line. I caught my edge several times. It sucked because I had booked an intemrediate/advanced lesson and I think the instructor taught I was a newbie. By the end of the day I was a bit better but still I didn’t feel confident.
Besides the rocker vs camber difference – why was it so difficult to ride vs my Harpoon? Or was it just the shape difference?
The shop also had a Custom, Hometown Hero and Jones Mountain Twin. Did I make the worst choice of all lol?
Luckily I just received my ski bag and enjoying the days much more!
Hey Casey
Thanks for your message.
I imagine it must have been predominantly the camber difference. I didn’t find the Skeleton Key overly stiff, in fact very similar in flex to the Harpoon. It is more of a locked in feel (what I would call semi locked in) versus the looser feel of the Harpoon. Whilst I did find the Skeleton Key could get punish you a little if technique was a little off, I didn’t find it super catchy. But I’m very used to camber boards. I wonder as well if it’s something to do with the effective edge. Whilst the Skeleton Key you got was only 2cm longer than your 152 Harpoon and the Harpoon is a little wider, the Skeleton Key has a lot more effective edge – the 154 has 116.5cm of effective edge versus the 113cm effective edge of the Harpoon. So whilst it’s 2cm longer overall, it has 3.5cm more effective edge. Not being used to that could have made it more tricky to ride. Also, the effective edge to contact length ratio is likely quite different, which is also a factor on how a board rides.
I think largely it was probably down to being really used to riding the Harpoon in a certain way – and riding the Skeleton Key in that way didn’t mesh.
Glad you got your bag back and are having a good trip now!
Hey Nate 🙂
So went and checked a skeleton key today. Kinda thinking between a 154 and a 158. Still unsure what size to get though so would like some help!
I’m around 160lb, 5’10 and US 10.5 boot size.
I generally don’t ride trees, mainly groomers and try to hit off piste when it’s good.
At the moment my only board I own currently is a Jones mind expander 154 (2021), which I generally leave for good powder days or when I want a mellow day on a rocker board.
Thanks in advance
🙂
Hi Pat
Thanks for your message.
I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 157, so I don’t think either would be wrong but it puts the 158 closer.
Note that even in the 154 it’s likely to feel a little bigger than your current 154 Mind Expander. Partly because of effective edge (Skeleton Key 116.5cm effective edge on 154 vs 113cm on the 154 ME 2021), partly because of the camber vs rocker and partly because the Skeleton Key 154 is slightly wider overall than the 154 Mind Expander. And then when you go to 158, you’re looking at going quite a bit bigger.
So, if you want to have a more similar size feeling to the 154 ME, then the 154 Skeleton Key would be the ticket. But if you wanted a bigger contrast size-wise, then the 158 is your best bet. Noting that the 154 Skeleton Key should already feel bigger and will already feel quite different, given the camber profiles (among other differences).
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hey mate,
Having a hard time picking between a 154 or 158. Looking to get in the trees when I can, but I’m worried the 154 won’t have the float I need in the Japan powder, and the 158 is too wide for size 9 boots. Also want to be able to hit the groomers decently.
Any advice would be appreciated – great review.
5”11 – 83kg (183 lbs) – size 9 boots
Hey Bavs
Tough call for sure.
I would put your “standard all-mountain” length at around 159/160 for your height/weight specs, but with size 9 boots on this board, I would size down from that. The question is whether the 158 is sizing down enough and if the 154 is sizing down too much.
We have similar specs and I really liked it in the 158. Your boot size a little smaller, being the biggest difference. I haven’t tried it in the 154, so can’t say for sure, but it would make the board better/more maneuverable for trees but you would sacrifice float in powder. Since it is well setup for powder, I don’t think it would be bad in powder, but not as good as the 158.
If I was riding it a lot in the trees – and had the option of both sizes I would reach for the 154. But if it was a deep powder day, then would certainly like to have the option of the 158 – and for stability at speed.
If riding trees is a big part of your riding and you seldom ride fast, I would be leaning 154 and hope it’s enough in the powder. But if you do like to bomb a bit as well, then having that extra size for both speed and powder would have me leaning 158, even at the sacrifice of some maneuverability.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Thanks mate for the response – Think I’m gonna go the 158 for the little bit of extra powder float and speed.
You’re very welcome Bavs. Hope it treats you well and that you have an awesome season!
Hi Nate!
Thank you for the great and helpful review.
I would appreciate if you could help with a sizing question.
I currently own a 154 Free Thinker (for park) and 157 Deep Thinker (for powder). I would like to add Skeleton Key to the quiver just as a mellow, fun, playful board when I’m out with my wife / friends who are less advanced / aggressive riders to enjoy groomers, side hits, mellow off-piste, maybe tree runs. My specs are 5’11 (180cm) tall, 165lbs(75kg), 9.5 US (42.5 EUR) foot size.
I’m torn between 154 and 158. From what I’ve read in the comments section here, both seem to be within my range.
Thank you so much in advance.
Hi Ilya
Thanks for your message.
Both are in range, for sure, but I’d be leaning 154 for what you’re describing. I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 158, so the 158 certainly wouldn’t be wrong, but a couple of reason’s why I’d be leaning towards sizing down to the 154. Firstly, the board is a little on the wider side than average for a regular width board. It’s not super wide or anything, but enough that sizing down a little bit, with 9.5s isn’t a bad idea. That alone though, I’d probably still stick with 158, if it wasn’t for the other factors, but together I’d say 154. Secondly, given you’re looking to use it predominantly for playful riding where you’ll be riding slow, riding trees, riding sidehits etc. The 154 is going to be more playful, more mellow, easier to ride slow and easier to throw around. And lastly, since you already have a board for powder, you don’t need it to excel in those conditions. And even in the 154, it should still be really decent in powder for when you do take it out and get powder.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Thanks so much for the detailed reply!!! – really appreciate it and helps a lot with my decision, will stick with 154 and will set out to ride it in 2 weeks!
You’re very welcome Ilya. Hope it treats you well and that you have an awesome season! If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow.
Hey Nate,
Thinking of getting SK 162.
220lbs 5’10” size 10.5
Mainly resort riding, no park, just groomer’s.
Currently riding 2009 K2 zeppelin.
Would this be a good upgrade and size.
Amazing reviews man.
Cheer’s
Stu
Hey Stuart
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, I think the 162 would be a good size for you.
I never rode the Zeppelin, so I can’t compare the two no experience. But I think it also depends on what you’re after.
On paper, the Skeleton Key should be noticeably better in powder. Skeleton Key likely won’t be as good for riding switch. For everything else it’s hard to say having no experience with the Zeppelin. But given how old it is, the Skeleton Key is likely to be an upgrade. And if you’re looking for that mellow freeride type of board that can carve better than most mellow freeride boards, then the Skeleton Key is a great choice, IMO.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hi Nate,
Thanks for these reviews! I’ve been reading them over the years and you’ve been really helpful in my decision making process.
I have a sizing question. I’m 5’8″, 140 lbs, size 8 Burton Photon stepon boots. That said, I’ve been riding the Weston 10th Mountain/Ridgeline in a 157 for the last three years and as far as I understand it’s a good deal stiffer than the SK. I believe I’m a cusp level 6-7 rider and I’m able to cleanly carve turns down Mammoth’s blacks in the 157 ridgeline. My riding preferences are no park, riding off-piste steeps fast on good days and carving up groomers on bad ones, and the odd tree run.
Although I’ve learned how to use the 157, I wanted to downsize to a size appropriate board for my quiver update and the SK went on a big sale where I’m at. Reps at burton sold me on a 150 but I’d like to know if you think given the board I’m coming from and my riding preferences that a 150 would be too squirrely for me.
Thanks again for all the work you put into your reviews and the replies to your comments.
Hi Minh-Khoa
Thanks for your message.
I would put your “standard all-mountain” length at around 152. However, with the Skeleton Key being on the wide side for your boots, sizing down to the 150 does make sense, purely based on specs. So the 150 would be a good bet. However, given that you’re used to riding a 157 (and I assume it’s not any narrower than the 150 SK, though I don’t know Weston boards well), that would be sizing down quite a lot to what you’re used to, so you may find it a bit squirrelly compared to what you’re used to. Purely based on specs, I’d say 150, but given the rest of the info, I would be leaning 154. 150 wouldn’t be wrong though.
Hope this helps with your decision.
Thanks Nate! always grateful for your help.
You’re very welcome Minh-Khoa. Hope you have an awesome season!
Nate,
Glad I ran into this. I may have the opportunity to finally drop in on the Chugach from a helicopter. I guess they’ll probably let me out first.
But I’m trying to decide on a directional set back powder board to ride. And I was already looking into the skeleton key because of the Metallica Special Edition.
Would this be a decent board for that kind of extreme powder? I have a couple all mountain boards. But I feel like I need something special for this.
I’m 5’10” 180lbs Burton Size 11.5 boots. If you wanna recommend a size.
Great replies to everyone.
Hey Patrick
Sounds awesome!
I think if you’re going to be in pretty extreme, steep terrain, I would be erring a bit stiffer than the Skeleton Key. But if you know that you prefer your board not-too-stiff, then this is definitely an option. Assuming you’re going to be in fairly deep powder and given that you have other boards in your quiver, I would be leaning the 162 for the Skeleton Key, to give you the best float. It’s also the only one that would be suitable width-wise, IMO. The 158 would be a bit too narrow for your 11.5s.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate your web is amazing.
I got two options here, I can’t decide.
Burton Skeleton Key Snowboard 2022 154cm vs Lib Tech Travis Rice Orca Snowboard 2021 150cm
my size is 5’6 170cm 150pound 69kg shoes size US 8
binding small size bent metal Aoxtion
because these two boards for me are the same price right now.
my personal preference is to learn high-speed carving, and do pow as much as I can.
but I am in CA, not many time has pow.
I will stay resort all the time, and will never go backcountry or tree.
just enjoy speed rides and not park or hitbox, rarely try but not much.
I personally worry about SK is soft than the orca, I might want more stiff one. but as long as stable when I ride at high speed. I am totally fine with the soft board.
my nitro shoes are 5 flex binding is 6
my concept of high speed is around 20mile -25mile per hour
haven’t over this speed.
another thing I care about is orca 2021 is older than sk2022.
also orca I need to pick it up from someone, I need to pay for gas, and not sure how the quality is and how he stores the board.
the sk is from Evo. I can return it and it is delivery.
the last thing is the original price, orca is more expensive than SK
if the price represents quality?
I personally like to try a longer board, but I never try 154 before.
the reason I want stiff and longer boards, they might handle more speed and keep stable.
there is no other sizes for this board,
it does, the orca is 144cm and SK is 158. based on the sale price.
could you let me know, is the binding and shoes are working for SK? also which board is more fit for me?
or if you have any other recommendations.
thank you so much!!!
Hi Leo
Thanks for your message.
Based on what you’re describing, I think the SKeleton Key will be your best bet. It won’t have any problems handling speeds in that 20-25mph range. And going 154 – which is just a little bigger than I’d typically recommend for this board for you, will increase the stability at speed for you and will feel a little stiffer than if you were to go a smaller size. And just overall I think it’s the more suitable board for you. It’s a better match to your boots and bindings too, IMO. And it’s the better size as well. For the Orca, I think you’d be better off going to the 147.
So yeah, long story short, I’d go Skeleton Key 154.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi! I’m thinking of grabbing a SK in either 154 or 158. I’m 5’10 175-180lbs and wear size 9.5 Photon boots. Two questions: 1) do you have recommendation for board size and 2) are there any notable differences between the 2022 and 2023 versions of this board? Thanks in advance!!!
Hi Todd
Size-wise, I would put your “standard length” at around 159. The 158 is on the wide side for your boot size, but not ultra wide or anything, but still no harm in sizing down a little for that little bit of extra width. Going to 158 isn’t really sizing down, but being a freeride board, with a fair bit of nose outside the contact points, it is something you can ride a little longer. So whilst for width, sizing down to more like 156/157 might make sense, you can go back up a little, bringing you back to 158. That was a round about way to get there, but I think the 158 would be your best size. That’s not to say that the 154 would be wrong – and if you were particularly looking to maximize maneuverability, particularly at slower speeds and were willing to sacrifice powder float and stability at speed to get it, then the 154 would certainly work too. The 158 I think is your best all-round size for this board, but depending on your particular riding style, the 154 would be an option.
No changes to the 2023 model vs the 2022 model (apart from graphic) as far as I can tell.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate!
I need an advise on SK size. I am 85 kg / 185 cm / US 10 boots (Nito El Mejor, about 312mm outerboot). Mostly ride pow trees/ piste carving as 50/50. I think 158 would be ideal for me, but it is out of stock 🙁 Only 162 available. I am afraid that 162 is not nimble enough for the trees. How do you think? Will it be ok for my purposes, or it would be better to look for something else?
Hi Max
Thanks for your message.
I would put your “standard all-mountain” size at around 161. So generally speaking I don’t think the 162 is wrong, but I would be leaning 158 in your case. For a couple of reasons.
Firstly, even though your outer boot is 31.2cm (which is relatively bulky for a 10), your foot size is what really generates the leverage on the edges, rather than the boot size, so the SK is still on the wider side, which makes the 162 feel a little bigger than what it would be if it was a little narrower.
Secondly, since you like to ride trees quite a bit, I think you’d appreciate the extra nimbleness you’d get from going 158 over 162, particularly given the 162’s width.
Hope this helps
Thanks, Nate! Very interesting point of view, I will think about it.
You’re very welcome Max. Would be interested to hear what you decide. If you think of it at the time, let me know.
Hi Nate! I’m a longtime viewer and this is my first time reaching out. You provide an awesome service to the snowboard community, and I would love to hear your thoughts on whether to go with a Skeleton Key XX in 150 or 154?
I’m 5’6” tall, 165 lbs, and use the Mens 8.5 Burton Photon Step On system. Sizing recommendations say to go 154, but my a sweet spot has always been around 148-152cm. My daily driver is a 2016 Trice 150cm and I have a Libtech orca 147 for powder days. I love the maneuverability that I get with the shorter length, but I love to ride fast and carve groomers. Does the light, stiff xx construction allow me to stay at 150?
Hi Westcoast Rider
Thanks for your message.
Can’t comment on the XX model from experience having not ridden it, so I’m not sure if it’s stiffer or not than the standard Skeleton Key model. On Burton’s website it rates it the same flex, but that certainly doesn’t necessarily mean that it is. Could well be stiffer, but having not ridden it, I’m not sure. Looks like the biggest differences between the regular model and the XX model are the core, an upgrade base and their “multizone EGD”.
Size-wise, typically I would say 154, but 150 is doable. I would put your “standard all-mountain” size at around 155, purely based on height and weight, but taking into account boot size, I would size down from that. The Skeleton Key isn’t super wide but it’s a little wider than the average regular width board. And wide for 8.5s, IMO. Not as wide as the Orca though, of course. The 154 is going to be a similar width to your 147 Orca. The 150 will be narrower than your Orca, but still on the slightly wide side for your boots, IMO – and wider than your 150 T Rice Pro for sure. So I think that size works, particularly given your sizing preference.
The 154 wouldn’t be wrong – and would give you more stability at speed and better float in powder (but I’m guessing you use your Orca for powder anyway), but given your preference and the width, I’d be leaning 150 in this case.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thank you so much for your feedback, Nate!
I am also intrigued by your comprehensive writeup on the Burton Showstopper and making it #1 on your Top Ten Surfy Freeride list. Is it considered a volume shifted board, and based on my men’s 8.5 boot size and shorter length preferences, could I get away with the 142 over the 148? Or would I sacrifice stability at speed on groomers?
Hi Westcoast Rider
Yeah, I would consider it a mellowly volume shifted board. It’s not wide to the extent of some volume shifted boards, but it’s still wide for sure. And yeah wider than the Skeleton Key, so I would size down more on this one than I would with that. That said, I think 142 would be going too far – and you would certainly sacrifice stability at speed and to an extent that it would bother you, I would predict. The 148 though is a size that could work for you in this board. Same kind of argument as with the Skeleton Key – except that the debate would be between 152 (if it existed) and 148, versus the debate between 154 and 150 on the Skeleton Key. The 154 in the Show Stopper, IMO, is a little too big.
Hey Nate,
Would like your opinion on which board to get, trying to decide between Skeleton Key (154 or 158?) or Deep Thinker 157. Based on skill leveling I am a intermediate 6 – advanced 7, just depends on the day haha. FYI – I rode the 20′ SK 154 for about 10 days and I thought it was awesome, only partial compliant is that it seemed a little chattery at higher speeds, not a deal breaker though.
Typically riding groomers, (blues/blacks) along with some off piste in groups. Will go through the park on ocassion but wont spend too much there. Kinda want something I can do basically everything with powder, carves, go fast, go slow/cruise around, trees, fun side hits etc.. We typically make trips out west to Utah or Colorado. My height is 5’10”, weight 175lbs, size 10 boot Burton Photon’s. Thanks!
Hi Ethan
Thanks for your message.
For what you’re describing, I would be leaning Skeleton Key. It’s going to be better, IMO, for the likes of sidehits, when you’re riding slower, in the park etc. But it’s still really good for carving and powder. The Deep Thinker is likely to feel more stable at speed (especially 157 Deep Thinker versus the 154 SK) but all round I think the SK will suit what you’re describing better.
Size-wise for the SK, I don’t think there’s a wrong answer. I would be slightly leaning towards the 158 – and that would likely have a little less chatter at higher speeds. But the 154 isn’t out of range either. I’d put you typically on around 158 as your “standard all-mountain, aka do-it-all” size but given that the SK is a little wider, the 154 becomes a possibility. It’s not super wide – not like an actual wide board or a short wide or anything, but a little wider than a typical regular width board. e.g. the 158 is around 268mm at inserts – and the 154 is around 266mm at inserts.
Between the 154 and 158, I would say:
– go 154 if you want to optimize maneuverability at slower speeds, park, sidehits, trees
– go 158 if you want to optimize carving, powder, stability at higher speeds
Neither size would be bad at the other, but just each size will be more optimal at one or the other, if that makes sense.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate,
Trying to decide between two boards and would appreciate your thoughts on the matter. I’m considering either the Skeleton Key or Hometown Hero. I typically ride blue and black groomers (40%), mogul runs and trees (60%). I ride with a few really good skiers and looking for a board to best keep up with them. I’m leaning towards the skeleton key currently, due to the slightly softer flex, which I thought would maybe help on moguls.
Could you offer any insight to help with my decision here?
Thanks is advance Nate.
Hi Ian
Thanks for your message.
The SK will be better for trees and moguls, IMO and is good at speed, so I’d be leaning that way too. Sizing is important too. If you’re not sure of sizing, I would be happy to offer my 2 cents. I would just need your height, weight and boot size.
Hope this helps
So I actually just found a great deal on a 160cm HTH, and may pull the trigger. For reference, I’m 6′ 178lbs. Size 10.5 boot. Do you think a 160 is too big for the kind of riding I do or should this work out fine?
As always, I appreciate your knowledgeable replies.
Hi Ian
I would put your “standard all-mountain” size at around 159/160, so I think the length is good – and with 10.5 boots, the width works too. I think it would be going a bit too big, if you had smaller boots, but the board is a good width for your boot size, IMO, so no need to size down because of width or anything, so I think it should work fine. I wouldn’t go any bigger than that, given that you ride trees, but I think that’s a good all round size. If you were predominantly riding trees and really wanted to optimize for that, then going shorter would probably be a good idea, but as an all-round size it works, IMO.
Hey Nate,
Super dope review. Confirms that I want the SK that much more.
My concern… 6’2” 210 size 14 foot (photon step-ons) 16 degree front, 9 degree rear
Think I can manage the 162? Coming from a 62W with 265 Waist… wondering if the 3mm diff will be a killer?
Hi Joe
Thanks for your message.
Typically, I’d say, yeah too narrow. But it depends on what you’re currently riding and if you had any issues with boot drag. The 162 SK is going to be around 272mm at the inserts. Can you let me know the brand/model of your 62W. Different boards tend to have different inserts widths, so it could be the case, depending on the board, that you’re getting a bigger than 3mm difference, or potentially the SK is the same at inserts, or potentially even wider. I definitely haven’t measured every board out there, but I’ve measured a lot now, so I might have an idea of the width at inserts of your current deck.
Hey Nate….
I actually just looked. It’s a 160W.
It’s the Instigator… was my first board and I have just progressed beyond it.
Demoed the flight attendant 162W and had no trouble with drag. Just didn’t love how stiff the board was.
Hi Joe
I’d say the Flight Attendant 162W is around 275mm at the back insert (276mm at the front insert) – and the Instigator 160W probably similar (I haven’t measured it but based on other Burton boards and specs, it’s likely very similar). It’s only a few mm but it can make a difference. If you wanted to measure your instigator to confirm you could do that too to get a better idea. The measurement should be taken at the inserts (the middle holes of where your bindings are setup) and it should be taken from the base side of the board, from outside of metal edge to outside of metal edge.
Hey Nate, love the reviews. Been looking at the SK or the gremlin as a one board quiver, freeride trees/pow that can kick on the groomers. Seen tons of back and forth on which is best. Essentially I’d want to hike back country tight trees in the morning and smack groomers in the afternoon on the same board.
5’10”, about 150lbs, size 9 boots.
What do you think is best?
Hi BG
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of size, I would be looking 152 for the Gremlin for you and 154 for the SK. There is some argument you could even go 148 Gremlin and 150 SK, if you were really wanting to maximize maneuverability for trees. But I’d be leaning 152/154 for all-round.
Between the two boards, both would certainly work for what you’re describing. The following are some differences, that might help with your decision (based on sizing recommendations above):
– Gremlin better in hard/icy conditions, if you come across those a lot
– Gremlin a little stiffer, by my feel (6.5/10 versus 5.5/10 on the SK)
– SK just a little better for pow, IMO, but it’s close
– Also SK just a little better for carving, IMO, but it’s also very close
– Also just preferred the SK for jumps – but again not a lot in it
Hey Nate, such an awesome review and info website!!! Congratulations!
I’m getting a 158 sk
I’m 183 cm and 83 kgs
Boots 11.5 boa burton ( only concern) about width!!!
Do you believe it could be an issue?!?
Many thanks in advance
Marcelo
Hi Marcelo
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, I think it’s really pushing it width-wise, unfortunately. The SK is a little wider than normal, but it’s kind of in between a regular width and wide board. The 158 is around 268mm at the inserts. With Burton boots in 11.5 you’re looking at around a 32cm outerboot, leaving a 5.2cm total overhang (or 2.6cm heel and 2.6cm toe, assuming perfect centering). That is assuming a zero degree binding angle. With more angle on your bindings, that overhang will be less. But even then it’s still borderline.
I think you get away with it if both of the following:
a. you ride with quite a bit of angle in your bindings on both feet (e.g. something like a +15/-15 stance)
b. you don’t get really deep on your carves. If you really rail your carves, then you’ve got less leeway for how narrow you can go
If you can answer yes to both of those questions, I think you get away with it. Otherwise, I think it’s pushing it. If you don’t feel like you’ll be able to get on it width-wise and wanted to stick with Burton, then the new Showstopper could be a good alternative in the 158. Definitely wide enough the, IMO, and a fun ride. It is a little stiffer feeling than the SK – I would say 6.5/10 flex. So if you weren’t looking to go stiffer than the SK, it might not be suitable, but if you were happy for something a little stiffer, it could work for sure.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate, thank you for your time and excellent review. I just got a skeleton key 162. I am 6’1” 190lbs. I normally ride a Solomon assassin 159. I went for the bigger size for the skeleton key thinking it would be good for downhill speeds as my Solomon can be a little choppy. Would you recommend the 162 for my size, it does seem MUCH bigger than what I normally ride.
Hi Zachary
Thanks for your message.
Can you let me know your boot size? I don’t think it’s over the top in terms of length for your specs – but it will depend on boot size. As the Skeleton Key is a little wider than normal, it might be that it’s a little big overall in terms of length and width.
Hi Nate,
After an awesome weekend in Park City, I’ve finally decided to pull the trigger on buying a board. I know I’m well overdue and have probably stunted my progression by waiting this long. I really want to grab a Burton SK, but worry that it might be too advanced/technical of a board for me. I’ve spent a couple weeks total on the slopes in the last couple years and would consider myself a solid 5 on your rating scale, while edging toward a 6. I can take blues and easier blacks at pretty good speeds, and have started experimenting with double blacks and off piste runs with friends, though heavily wooded runs still freak me out a bit.
I plan on picking up an epic pass and spending a bunch of time on the slopes next winter, so I guess my question is, is this board something I can ease into after a couple days of boarding? If not, what board would you recommend for someone of my skill level? I am primarily interested in free ride, with no real inclination to ride switch or spend time at the terrain park. I would also be willing to get an all mountain as long as it can still handle some speed and off trial runs well enough. My measurements are 175lbs, 6′, with a size 10.5 boot. Thanks for your help!
Hi Jordan
Thanks for your message.
At a solid 5, bordering on 6 level, I think you should be good on the Skeleton Key, assuming your technique is decent (some people take on blacks/black diamonds but still aren’t necessarily riding with good technique). Would take some adjustment if you’ve just been renting to this point, but I think you should be fine from what you’re describing. The SK does have a fairly camber dominant profile, so it’s relatively technical in that sense, but it’s not overly stiff, so that makes it a lot more forgiving than a stiff camber dominant board is.
Size-wise, I think the 158 would be just right for you.
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate! This helped a lot! I have one more question, and it’s definitely a newbie one. I’m looking to get step on bindings and boots to go with the skeleton key. My boots are 10.5’s, which are at the very end of the range for medium sized bindings. The 158 skeleton key recommends large bindings. Will my size 10.5 boots work ok with large bindings? If I have to use medium bindings with size 10.5 boots, will I run in to any problems with using medium binds on a 158 skeleton key?
Hi Jordan
A very valid question and there a couple of things at play here.
Firstly in terms of running medium bindings on the Skeleton Key 158, it’s not a no-go, IMO. I rode the Skeleton Key with Medium Malavitas and it was fine. Ideally, if you’re going for Burton bindings, the Large are a better match to the board, because they have a longer baseplate, so they give you a little more leverage on the edges, which can help with easier turn initiation. But it’s not what I would call critical.
But you do also have to think about the binding to boot fit – and in my opinion the binding to boot fit is more important than the binding to board fit. Both do make a difference, but I would sooner have a good boot to binding fit, if I had to sacrifice a little in terms of binding to board fit.
In your case, assuming you’re looking at Burton boots and bindings? I think the Large would be the way to go. The reason is that your boots should fit fine in both Medium and Large. Maybe very slightly better fit in medium, but the difference, IMO, will be marginal enough that the benefits of the Large binding fit to the board will outweigh any upside of going with the medium bindings. So yeah, long story short, I think go Large if you’re going with Burton bindings. For other brands it would depend – so if you are looking at other brands, let me know the brand and model you’re looking at, and the answer could be different.
Hey, hey,
Thanks for all the detailed reviews.
Curious to know a direct comparison between SK and Navigator. Both in 58. I read a comment on another Navigator review that they felt it was crazy soft. Like a 3/10. You felt it was stiffer then SK?
Thanks again
Hi Shred Nerd
Thanks for your message.
Not sure how anyone could get 3/10 from the Navigator, unless a. they are used to much stiffer boards and in comparison they felt that or b. they were way above the weight recommendations for the particular size they rode. Between the Navigator and SK, I would say the difference is very subtle. Looking back at my notes I was debating between 5.5 and 6 for flex for the SK and between 6 and 6.5 for the Navigator. Either way, no where near a 3/10 from the feel I got.
Hope this helps
Thank you.
Yeah. I’m not sure what that person was talking about. Maybe the previous flat version? Idk. They cray.
Any other direct comparison notes between the two? Is navigator a bit looser? I had an SK 54 for a bit last year as my resort pow board, but I sold it. Float was great, but the tail felt too short and too soft for my liking. Curious what a 58 would be like. I have a 54 Big Gulp that’s fun but the EE is pretty short so it just feels small and lacks confidence. It’s a bummer they don’t make it in a 57. I don’t know how the short/fat boards ever feel good landing. Haha. Anyway, it’s tough to see boards due to covid so I’m trying to base things off reference points I have (ie skeleton key) to find the perfect resort pow board. Navigator shape is dope and specs look good on paper.
Much appreciated. Your site is a great help!
Take care.
Hi Shred Nerd
Yeah I would say that the Navigator is a little looser feeling – a little surfier feeling. But it’s certainly not ultra loose. On a scale of loose to locked-in, I’d say it’s in the middle. The SK just slightly to the locked-in side, but pretty close to the middle as well.
I’d say the SK is better on a carve, but for quicker turns, like when you’re weaving through trees and that kind of thing, the Navigator is a bit quicker edge to edge I found. Both pretty similar in terms of stability at speed and in powder. I have a Navigator review, if you want to check out more details.
Hi Nate,
Really great reviews on this website! They are very informative and helpful.
I’ve been eyeing the SK for a while now, planning to buy it this year summer for next winter season. I was wondering if I should go for the 154 or 158? My height is 174cm and weight is 67kgs. Also, I identify my skill level as a high Intermediate 5 so I’m also wondering if this is suitable for my skill level as well. Basically, I want to focus more on being able to carve and ride in powder and free riding in general. I’m also open to other board recommendations too.
My current bindings are the Burton Step Ons with the Burton Ruler Step On boots.
Thanks!
Hi Kevin
Thanks for your message.
If you’re a high intermediate, then I think you would be fine on this board – and I think it’s a very good option for your skill level for freeriding – without having to go to a really stiff, technical freeride board. The Ruler setup is a good match to this board too, IMO.
Size-wise, I would go 154 for your specs for sure. 158 too long for you, IMO. But if you could also let me know your boot size, just to make sure that size will be suitable.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks a lot for your reply and the size recommendation!
It’s good to know that I don’t need a separate setup for this board so that’s great.
My boot size is mondo 250/US 7.
Hi Kevin
Thanks for the extra info. I would actually be debating between the 150 and 154 for you for this board, with that boot size and your height/weight specs. You could definitely ride the 150 in this board, IMO. However, the 154 is still suitable as well. You would get a more nimble ride, better edge-to-edge at slow speeds and all round a little more playful with the 150. The 154 would give you more on big high speed carves, more stability at speed and better float in powder. I think both sizes would work, just depends on what you’d want to maximize from those things.
Hey im 200 pound and was wondering whether or not the 162 or 158 would be better im 6 feet and have 11 size boots
Hi Garu
Close call, IMO.
Width would be OK on the 158 in some scenarios. If you ride with a straight back binding angle (like 0 degrees to 3 degrees), have bulkier boots (i.e. not low profile) and really like to lean into your carves, then I think it would be too narrow. If you have a couple of those things different (i.e. low profile boots and more angle on your back binding), then I think you’d be fine. If that makes sense.
In terms of length, each would have pros and cons:
– The 158 would be a little more playful, softer flexing feeling, and easier to maneuver at slower speeds.
– The 162 would give you more stability at faster speeds, feel stiffer, and provide better float in powder. And generally better for big arcing high speed carves.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey man!
Looking at the SK as my one board quiver. On the east coast and mostly like to carve, do trees, and pow when I can get it.
Size 9 boots. 5’11 and 160 pounds. Think I should go for the 150 or 154? For reference I’ve tried an Orca 153 and felt it was a bit wide for me, wanted something more carveable/turny. Any suggestions? Also open to other boards you think might be better. Thanks man!
Also, would union forces be a solid binding choice? I’ve got Burton Photon boots on the stiffish side
Hi Robin
Thanks for your message.
The Orca is a really wide board and I think the 150 is probably the more appropriate size for the Orca for your specs. But yeah, it’s certainly not a sharp turner. It prefers longer, more drawn out lines, from my experience.
The SK is certainly more turny than the Orca, and nowhere near as wide (e.g. the SK 158 I tested was 268mm at the inserts compared to 276mm/275mm at the inserts on the 153 Orca).
I think the 154 is probably the best size for you for the SK. It’s still on the wide size for 9s, IMO (around 266mm at the inserts), but 154 is sizing down a little in length compared to a standard all-mountain length, so that shorter length compensates for that wider width. Versus the 153 Orca, the 154 SK will feel a lot more maneuverable. It’s softer flexing and considerably narrower.
If you wanted to maximize trees, then 150 is certainly not out of your range, but it would be quite a big size down and you wouldn’t get as much out of it in powder and for big carves. I think the 154 is the best option as a good balance between everything, as you one board quiver.
The Force, IMO, would be a good match for the SK/Photon setup.
Hope this helps
Thanks that helps a bunch!!!
Was also looking at the GNU gremlin, do you think that might be a better option with the magnetraction as I’m on the east coast with plenty of hard snow?
Or do you think that’s too similar to the orca and I might prefer the more maneuverable SK.
Anyway thanks so much for the reply man! Helps a bunch
Hi Robin
I haven’t ridden the Gremlin, so I couldn’t say for sure how maneuverable it feels in comparison. On paper, I think it would be more so than the Orca though. If going 152, which is the size I would go for the Gremlin for you, it’s overall narrower than the Orca and it also looks to be a good bit softer flexing, which increases maneuverability, particularly at slower speeds too. So, I think it would be more appropriate for what you’re describing versus the Orca, but couldn’t say for sure how it feels to ride, having not ridden it yet. Going to try to get my hands on one this season (but that doesn’t help you now!).
Hey man – got the 154 SK on your recommendation and just wanted to say thank you!
This thing is soooo much fun!!!! Loving the board so far and appreciate the advice
Hi Robin
Thanks for the update and you’re very welcome. Awesome to hear that the SK is treating you well! Happy riding!
Hey Nate!
I’m considering grabbing a SK 158 and was wondering about sizing. I wear a size 8 boot and am worried it might be a bit too wide. I can’t go much shorter as I’m about 195 lbs.
Also, I currently ride a 2017 Slash Brainstorm 157 and love it. I’m looking for something a little surfier in the pow that can lay down some nice carves as well. The SK seems to fit this, but will it be that much of a difference?
Thanks for your time!
-David
Hi David
Thanks for your message.
I think it would certainly give you a little more in powder and can certainly lay down some nice carves on this board, but it is certainly wide for 8s and you might feel it a bit when riding groomers or trees (if you ride trees). In powder I think it would work well, but you might find a lack of agility when not in powder.
There are certainly other options you could go with, if you decided not to go with SK. I would be happy to offer some suggestions that might work. Are you looking Burton exclusively or open to anything? Also, just because I like to take everything into account, if you can let me know your height as well.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate!
Thanks for the reply. I’m 5’7” and really open to anything. Through all my shopping I’ve been having trouble finding a board that supports my shoe size and weight. Super down for any suggestions you have!
Hi David
I would look into:
– Burton Family Tree Sensei – would be a great width, IMO, and I think the 156 would work well – or even if you wanted to try going longer, the 161 would even work – I would say it’s the narrowest 161 in existence (I could be wrong but I don’t know of others). So if you ever wanted to try riding something longer, I think that would work. Or if you wanted to stick to a shorter size, the 156 would work too.
– Skeleton Key in a 154. You’re outside Burton’s weight range, but given that even in the 154 it would be wide for your boots, I think sizing down to this would work. You would essentially be riding a short wide board
– Hometown Hero 156 – similar in width to your 157 Brainstorm at the inserts. I think this would certainly work.
– Lib Tech Ejack Knife 157 – this is a narrower board too. Waist is 253mm but actually a little narrower at the inserts than the Brainstorm 157
– GNU Mullair 155 – even narrower than the Ejack Knife (both waist and at inserts). I would predict this to be around 254mm at the back insert. It’s a stiffer board, but if you were to ride it in the 155 that would mellow out the flex. I’m guessing you’re not looking for anything too stiff, given you were looking at the SK?
– YES PYL 156 – also quite narrow. Around 256mm at back insert – like the Mullair, it’s a bit stiffer than something like the SK but sizing to the 156 would mellow that out a bit
– GNU Hyperkyarve 157 – quite a surfy feel. Maybe less in terms of carving than the others here, but very surfy in powder.
Hope that gives you some options to check out
Hi Nate,
I’m currently looking at buying the SK 154 or the Flight Attendant 156. I’m 5’8, 170 pounds and size 10.5 US boot. I’d say I’m a solid level 6 intermediate – level 7, judging based on your snowboard level article.
Looking for a board that can excel on groomers and off piste (tree runs). I’m leaning towards the SK 154 right now, but would like to know your opinion on which board. I’m buying board, bindings, and boots this year from Burton because I get a good deal with them.
On Burton’s site, they have the SK 154 as being best paired with Large bindings. If I get the Genesis X bindings in a medium instead of Large, would it have a noticeable effect? Or should I just go with the Larges?
And one last question, would the 256 mm waist width of the SK be too large for size 10.5 boots? As in would they be on the inside of the board on the toe and heel edge?
PS. Do you know where the SK is made? Is it China or Austria?
Thanks for everything you do, it’s immensely helpful.
Eric
Hi Eric
Thanks for your message.
As I said in another reply on the Flight Attendant review (not sure if you got it or not), I would be leaning towards the 154 SK for you. I think it suits what you’re describing well – and size-wise, I think it works well. In terms of width, definitely not too wide for 10.5s, IMO. Actually just right. The 156 FA is pushing it being too narrow for your boots. The 154 Skeleton Key just right, IMO.
I’m not entirely sure where it’s made, but I think it’s China – and judging by the price, I would say it’s China.
Great, detailed review. Thank you! I just bought a 2020 Mystery Skeleton Key XX 154 (2nd) from the giant retailer in Germany. I have a 2017 Mystery Custom 158 (2nd) that is my favorite board. I have a quiver of Burtons going back to 2000…I’m an old Freerider so I don’t hesitate to get one more.
Hi W
Thanks for your message.
Would love to hear what you think of the Mystery Skeleton Key, once you get it out on snow.
Hi Nate!
I had a couple of questions about the Skeleton Key. I was gonna pick one up for this season but I was having a couple of sizing issues. I am an experienced rider, I am 6’1″, wear a size 13 boot, and weigh 160 so I am a little light for the 162 but my boots are a little big for the 158 or 156. Just wanted to get your opinion on what size I should go with.
Hi Simon
Thanks for your message.
I can see your dilemma. Length-wise, I think you’re better on the 158, but think it would definitely be too narrow for 13s. That said, even the 162 might be too narrow. Ideally I would be looking at something 157W-159W. Don’t think there’s really an ideal size for this board. You could possibly check out the YES Hybrid, which is a similar-ish board, but wider.
Or if you wanted to stay Burton or looking for other options, let me know, and I can look deeper into some more suitable options.
Hope this helps
Thanks for the response! I currently get a pretty good deal on burton and arbor snowboards so I was looking to try and stay with one of them. Recommendations would be awesome! I currently ride the Ride Twinpig in a 154 so I was looking for something more all-mountain, something that can carve and maybe hit some powder or tree hits. Another board I noticed was the deep thinker, do you think I would fit in like the 157W? Or will that not be a good fit either? if so do you think it would ride similar to the SK. Open to any and all suggestions thanks! I know it’s sort of a weird size so there might not be many perfect fits but just wanted to get your input on a good board that would check my boxes.
Hi Simon
I think the Flight Attendant or Hometown Hero would be closer equivalents to the Skeleton Key, than the Deep Thinker. I found the Deep Thinker stiffer, and it’s less directional.
For the Flight Attendant I think the 159W could work, though for 13s, it’s still pushing it in terms of width. The 160W Hometown Hero though, I think would be the best fit and a closer board than the Deep Thinker. Also the Deep Thinker 157W wouldn’t give you much more width than the 159W Flight Attendant, which I think would be a better match.
Thanks so much for all the info, it was very helpful! I will definitely look into those!
You’re very welcome Simon. Happy riding!
Hello,
Hello! Another question for you if you don’t mind. I can grab the skeleton key cheap and was wondering if it would be a good compliment/companion to the Yes PYL? Or, if they are too similar and would be redundant to own both? If not, is there a fun surfy/pow board that would pair with the PYL.
Thanks! Pete
Hi Pete
The PYL and Skeleton Key definitely aren’t the same board, but they’re relatively similar in terms of what you’d want to do on them and even if you’re wanting 2 separate freeride boards – a more precise one and a more surfy/playful one, both the Skeleton Key and PYL are both on the more precise side of things. The Skeleton Key is a little more playful, just being a little softer, but it’s still pretty camber dominant and not what I’d call overly “surfy”.
I don’t think you’d feel like you’d have two of the same board or anything – you’ll definitely feel a difference between both, but whether they’re too close to have in the same quiver, maybe? I probably wouldn’t pair them in the same quiver.
I would likely go with something like one of the Capita Powder Displacement series boards or the Jones Mind Expander or GNU Hyperkyarve or something like that.
Hope this helps with your decision
This is great, really helps narrow down my decision. And I went for the PYL on your recommendation, can’t wait to try it out! All the best.
You’re very welcome Pete. If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get the PYL out on snow. Always interested to hear other’s insights/opinions. Happy riding!
Hey Nate! Thanks for the great review and video. I’m also stuck between the 154 and 158, though I know I’m probably overthinking it. I’m 5’11”, ~150lbs, 10.5boot. I’ve been riding a 12 year old Rome Crail 156cm and am excited to upgrade. I was generally frustrated with the speeds I could get on that board, though not sure if that was a length issue or just the board. I primarily like charging/carving groomers, and riding through the trees. I ride on the west coast so we get a decent amount of powder every now and then. I’d like something that gives me a good amount of speed and stability, but isn’t so large I won’t be able to whip through the trees. Would appreciate your advice!
Hi Nick
Thanks for your message.
A tough call, and definitely see why you’re stuck on this one. Typically for your specs, for the Skeleton Key, I would say 154. But given that you’re looking to get more stability at speed, the 158 is certainly worth considering. I don’t have any experience on the Rome Crail, but looking at the specs, it looks like it should be pretty decent at speed, so I’m not sure the Skeleton Key in a smaller size would give you more. That said, given it’s 12 year’s old, it’s probably softened up a fair bit.
The Skeleton Key, IMO, will likely give better in float in pow for sure, even in the 154 vs the 156 Crail, for a number of reasons like being wider – having a good bit of rocker in the tip, the taper and the directional shape in general, but for speed, it’s maybe just a little better, but like I say, hard to say having not ridden the Crail, and the age difference between the boards.
Biggest downside of going 158, is for the trees, like you mention. For trees, I would definitely say 154.
Personally I found the Skeleton Key good at speed, but it’s not an out and out bomber – never going to be with a mid flex, but still really good. Whether or not it’s going to be an improvement vs the Crail is hard to say though.
I’d still be leaning towards 154 for you, but the biggest question mark would be over the speed thing.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate – could use some advice. I’m 5′ 11″, 160 lbs, with 10 boot. I’m torn between getting a 154 or 158 SK. I demo’d the 158 and was totally in love with it on the groomers I used it on. I didn’t get a chance to use it on the trees but could see myself manuvering the 154 more. I wanted to ask you, all things considered what size would you go with?
Additionally, what bindings and what size bindings do you think would go best with this? I really want a fantastic set up, something which can do “everything”, particularly good at ripping / bombing mountains, and comfortable an trust worthy. I heard the genesis X, but curious to what you have to say.
Lastly, I”m wondering if there’s a Lib Tech Travis Rice board which I should consider instead of the SK – The primary reason being I live on the east coast and go to a lot of VT mountains with Ice. I know LT can really hold edges with the magne traction, but wanted your advice on this again. Again looking for a really fantastic beyond average all mountain set up. Thanks!
Hi RJ
Thanks for your message.
I would be leaning towards the 154 for you. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that you rode the 158 and loved it. But based on specs, I would be leaning towards the 154, particularly if you do plan to spend a reasonable amount of time in the trees. That’s going just that little bit shorter than what I’d say for a “standard size” for you. But I think sizing down just a little on the SK makes sense, with it being a little wider. That said, it’s not super wide, but I still think the 154 is probably best, but the 158 would certainly work.
In terms of bindings – the Genesis X would certainly work. Any good quality binding with a flex of around 6/10 or 7/10 would be the way to go. Anything in that flex range from the following would work well, IMO, with the SK:
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
If you’re wanting something that will drive the board harder and more aggressive, then the second list there is the way to go. If you want something a little more forgiving, then the first list. Since you mention something for “ripping/bombing” then I’d probably say something from the second list, which includes the Genesis X.
Yeah certainly the Lib Tech options better edge hold in icy conditions, IMO. In terms of the Travis Rice series, I’d say that the closest equivalents would be the T Rice Orca and T Rice Goldmember. But neither is that close an equivalent.
The Orca is the more similar shape – with a similar taper. But it’s stiffer than the SK and wider. I would say if you went there, you’d go 153 at most. It’s a good bit wider than the SK.
The Goldmember isn’t a board I’ve ridden, but just looking at the specs, it looks to be a similar flex to the SK. However, there’s no taper and a much more subtle setback. Less directional all round – I would say it’s more of an all-mountain board than a freeride board. Even though the waist width on it is about the same as the SK, I would say it’s narrower at the inserts (based on other similar Lib Tech boards which tend to not have too much difference between the width at inserts vs width at the waist). So I think the 157 would work well for the Goldmember.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
Great reviews!! I’m an intermediate rider and looking for a new board. I want a board that I can handle, but also gives me motivation to ride better.
I don’t ride park or even switch so I want a directional board that is great for all mountain, whether it’s groomed, powder, trees and most often uneven terrain.
Do you think this would be the right board for me? Based on your reviews, I’m also considering never summer west bond, Capita Mercury and Yes hybrid. I’ve heard Ride Algorithm is also great. Which one (or others) would you recommend for me?
Cheers.
Hi Stanley
Thanks for your message.
I’d say the only thing with the Skeleton Key is whether the camber is too technical. It’s certainly a friendly enough flex for an intermediate rider, but it does have camber all the way to the tail – with rocker just in the nose. Which is why I’ve labelled it as a solid intermediate rider and up kind of board. If you do consider yourself a solid intermediate rider, then I think this would work for you, assuming there’s a suitable size.
The West Bound is kind of the other way around in some sense, in that it’s a little stiffer than the Skeleton Key but has a more friendly camber profile. Again, it’s something that I would consider a solid intermediate and up board. It’s got a fairly forgiving camber profile, but a slightly less forgiving flex vs something like the Skeleton Key, but again if you’re a solid intermediate rider, then it should be fine – and a good option for what you’re describing.
The Hybrid is a good option for what you’re describing too, and I would say is fine for intermediate riders. Sizing is limited, so you would want to make sure there’s a suitable size for you.
The Mercury would certainly work for what you’re describing – another one that I would say you’d want to be solid intermediate, but if so, then all good. It is less directional though and given that you’re not riding any switch or park, I would take advantage of the benefits of the more directional rides. I haven’t ridden the Algorhythm yet but from the looks of it, it’s more similar to the Mercury than the others – in being more subtly directional.
I think the Skeleton Key, West Bound and Hybrid are all good options for what you’re describing, assuming you’re a solid intermediate rider, rather than a more low intermediate rider. If you’re not sure – check out my skill level post – if you identify more as a level 6, then I think you’re good to go on any of those options. If you identify more as a level 5, then I think the Hybrid is still doable (given an appropriate size) or you could also look at something like the Lib Tech Cold Brew.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Thanks so much for the suggestions and it definitely helped me to narrow down my choices.
I researched more about those board and found that the Hybrid could be little slow edge to edge on slower speed and the skeleton might be very damp for uneven terrain.
The never summer really seems to be a good choice for me. The only thing that I wasn’t sure is that it’s a rocker dominant board (although you should always be on one edge), do you feel it was stable when you were riding straight?
I also found that burton had two new models, the hometown hero and the one hitter. Very similar board, hero is stiffer and has more set back stance. What do you think of those?
I’m 6’2, 187lb, US10/US9.5. Burton website suggests the 156 board, I was also thinking 157 for West Bond. Do you think that’s the right size for me?
Hi Stanley
Even though there is a substantial rocker zone on the West Bound, it doesn’t feel overly rocker dominant. There’s a good bit of camber in the tail, and you definitely feel that. You do feel that rocker between the feet, but it’s still stable riding it straight – or at least I found. Some people don’t like that feeling of rocker between their feet, but I do. But I do ride a lot of different profiles and I’m very used to them all, but I wouldn’t say it’s overly loose feeling though.
I found the Hybrid to be pretty good edge-to-edge at slow speeds. It’s a wider board, so it’s something I would size down from your normal size for. But I found even going 157 – which is longer than I would normally go for a board that wide – that it wasn’t too bad. For your specs, I would certainly go 157, with that width being wide for your boots. Ideally you might go even slightly shorter than that at that width, but I didn’t find it too slow edge-to-edge at slow speeds (6’0″, 185lbs, size 10 boots). It wasn’t ultra snappy edge-to-edge either, but I wouldn’t describe it as slow.
I haven’t ridden the One Hitter, but I did ride the Hometown Hero. I liked it but I preferred the Skeleton Key overall. I found the Skeleton Key a little better in uneven terrain and for caving and speed. The Hometown hero feels a little stiffer, but only by a very small margin, from my feel. I would say Skeleton Key 5.5/10 and Hometown Hero 6/10, so not a long way different. The Hometown Hero is a little easier for riding switch, having a twin flex and slightly less setback (though it does have a greater taper, but only subtly). Even though Burton describes the hometown hero as “intermediate, expert” and the Skeleton Key “expert”, I would say that the Skeleton Key is more intermediate friendly, particularly if you’re not really going to be riding switch.
Size-wise, for the West Bound, I would say probably 160 is the best size for your specs, at an intermediate level. If you think you prefer shorter boards, the 157 isn’t crazy short for you or anything, but I think the 160 would be the slightly better fit.
For the Skeleton Key, I think the 158 would be most appropriate for you.
For the Hometown Hero, I would say it’s between the 156 and 160. The 156 might be the better option for you as an intermediate rider on a more advanced board like that. And it would be a better width for you too.
Thanks to your advice I’ve made my decision to go with 158 Burton SK and pair it with Cartel reflex bindings!
Burton suggested size L bindings for 158 but the cartel M is good for US8-11, the L is for 10+. I’m a size 10 so right in the middle. Do you think I should just get the size M bindings?
Hi Stanley
Awesome that you’ve chosen your new deck!
For Cartel’s with size 10s, you could go either for sure. For the board, the L would give you a little more in terms of leverage on the board, with a slightly longer base plate, so that’s one argument to go L. I typically ride Ms for Burton bindings with my size 10 Vans Aura and I like that fit best, but Large work too. Also the Aura are pretty low profile. What brand is your boots? Depending on the brand it might be better to go L for the boots – in which case, I would go L, since it’s also probably better for the board.
I’m currently riding the 157 skeleton key
When I’m out west I love getting into the trees. Finding a hike or just ripping the resort.
I do like popping off natural terrain.
I’m not a park or pipe guy
Kicking the season off in the northeast where I live, I feel the skeleton key is lacking the pop for ollies and natural features.
I’m interested in the Capita Mercury to be my daily driver to just get more pop. Is it at all similar to the skeleton or am I making a drastic change that is going to limit my overall big mtn experiences and tree runs at breck or big sky?
Hi Phil
Thanks for your message.
The Mercury is different enough. It’s a less directional ride. Less setback, no taper, and although it does have a slightly longer nose than tail, it’s not to the same extent as the Skeleton Key. The Mercury isn’t a twin, but it’s closer to a twin than the Skeleton Key. Practically speaking you would loose some powder performance for sure. Though the Mercury certainly isn’t terrible in powder. It is as good at speed though, IMO. It’s a little stiffer – so whilst it’s not as directional, it’s still got that extra stability from the stiffness. Mercury, IMO, is a little better for jumps and better for riding switch, certainly.
So it’s still something you can do big mountain with, but just not quite as suitable, IMO – particularly when it comes to powder. Certainly a different feel – more of a double ender feel, but not something you can’t ride hard.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision