Hello and welcome to my Jones Ultra Mountain Twin Review.
In this review, I will take a look at the Ultra Mountain Twin as an aggressive all-mountain snowboard.
As per tradition here at SnowboardingProfiles.com I will give the Ultra Mountain Twin a score out of 100 (based on several factors) and see how it compares with other aggressive all-mountain snowboards.
Overall Rating
Board: Jones Ultra Mountain Twin
Price: $649
Style: Aggressive All-Mountain
Flex Rating: Stiff (9/10)
Flex Feel on Snow: Medium-Stiff (7.5/10)
Rating Score: 85.9/100
Compared to other Men’s Aggressive All-Mountain Boards
Of the 19 current model aggressive all-mountain snowboards that we tested:
❄️ The Ultra Mountain Twin ranked 4th out of 19
Overview of the Ultra Mountain Twin’s Specs
Check out the tables for the Ultra Mountain Twin’s specs and available sizes.
Specs
Style: | Aggressive All-Mountain |
Price: | $649 - BUYING OPTIONS |
Ability Level: |  |
Flex: |  |
Feel: |  |
Turn Initiation: | Medium-Fast |
Edge-hold: |  |
Camber Profile: | |
Shape: | |
Setback Stance: | Setback 20mm (3/4") |
Base: | Sintered 9900 |
Weight: | On the lighter side of normal |
Sizing
LENGTH (CM) | Waist Width (mm) | Rec Rider Weight (lb) | Rec Rider Weight (kg) |
|---|---|---|---|
154 | 251 | 120-170 | 54-77 |
156W | 259 | 130-180 | 59-82 |
157 | 254 | 130-180 | 59-82 |
159W | 261 | 140-190 | 64-86 |
160 | 257 | 150-200 | 67-91 |
162W | 263 | 150-200 | 67-91 |
163 | 260 | 160-210 | 73-95 |
165W | 267 | 170-220+ | 77-100+ |
Who is the Ultra Mountain Twin Most Suited To?
The Ultra Mountain Twin is best suited to those who want a hard charging all-mountain board, that excels in big mountain freestyle for those who like to go big and for just charging the mountain hard.
It's better in powder than a lot of boards in this category - so if you want a hard charger, that's more freestyle focused than a freeride board, but still want decent powder float, the Ultra Mountain Twin might be the ideal fit.
Not for beginners or even intermediate riders, unless you're very strong/athletic. A more advanced level deck.
The Ultra Mountain Twin in More Detail
O.k. let’s take a more detailed look at what the Ultra Mountain Twin is capable of.
Demo Info
Board: Jones Ultra Mountain Twin 2021, 157cm (254mm waist width)
Date: March 4, 2020
Conditions: Sunny. Perfect vis.
On groomer really well groomed in parts and rutty and ice balls in others. Some medium spots and some hard and even icy spots.
Off groomer medium for the most part but with some harder spots. Relatively cold on hands and face but overall quite warm in sun.
Bindings angles: +15/-15
Stance width: 560mm (22″)
Stance Setback: 20mm (0.75")
Width at Front Insert: 266mm (10.47")
Width at Back Insert: 267mm (10.51")
Note that the Ultra Mountain Twin shows 3 stance options. The measurements for those different options are in the tabs below. Note that the measurements above are reference stance but narrower.
- FREERIDE
- FREESTYLE
Stance width: 600mm (23.6″)
Stance Setback: 20mm (0.75")
Width at Front Insert: 268mm (10.55")
Width at Back Insert: 269mm (10.59")
Rider Height: 6'0"
Rider Weight: 175lbs
Rider Boot Size: US10 Salomon Lo-Fi
Bindings Used: Burton Malavita M
Weight: 2760grams (6lbs 1oz)
Weight per cm: 17.58 grams/cm
Average Weight per cm: 18.36 grams/cm*
*based on a small sample size of roughly 80 models that I've weighed in 2019, 2020 & 2021 models. So, a good bit lighter than average on the scales - and felt light on snow too.
Damp or Chattery?
Quite damp a good bit on the damp side of the scale.
Smooth or Snappy?
Just on the smooth side of the scale. Smoother than the regular MT.
Powder
Nothing to test in on the day, but based on specs, how the Mountain Twin rides powder, it would be really decent. Not a powder king or anything, but with a bit of setback, a slightly longer nose than tail, rocker in the tip and tail and it's contour base, it's going to float relatively easily.
Carving & Turning
Carving: Good on a carve. Just that little bit better than the regular MT - can go just a little harder.
Turning: Easier to turn than I remember from riding the 2019 model. Got to put in a little more energy than you do with the regular MT, but you also get a bit more back in return. And you don't have to like throw your whole body into it - it turns fairly easily, especially for its flex.
Maneuverability at slow speeds: Not quite as maneuvereable at slower speeds as regular MT, as expected, but again, better than I remember the 2019 model being - I think that Contour base makes a difference there.
Skids: Can skid turns on it without too much consequence. Not something that makes skidding turns super easy, but not too punishing either.
Speed
Nice and stable at speed. This was the most notable difference between this and the regular MT. Just more stable and could bomb it a good bit faster without getting any speed wobbles.
Uneven Terrain
Crushed through crud a little better than regular MT and overall was good in crud.
Not quite as good as regular MT for bumpy terrain - just not quite as maneuverable at slower speeds - but also not bad. Was fine to take in the trees.
Let’s Break up this text with a Video
Jumps
Pop: Good pop without being epic. But you do get good value for that pop with the board being so light - feels like it just hangs in the air a little longer. The pop is easy to access to for the most part - with a little more available when you load it up - not quite as easy to access as the MT as expected, but not far off. And you get a touch more back when you load it up.
Approach: A good mix of stable and maneuverable. Just a touch less maneuverable and a bit more stable than the regular MT
Landing: Nice and solid but also not unforgiving of bad landings either. A little less forgiving than the MT but a little more solid for landing bigger air too.
Side-hits: Fun for side hits. I think I slightly prefer the regular MT for side hits, but only very subtly.
Small jumps/Big Jumps: Big air is this boards forte! But still good for hitting medium and even small jumps too.
Switch
Good for riding switch and gets even better if you center it up. I gave it 3.5, based on being in the 20mm setback stance, but would be 4/5 in the center stance.
Butters
Easier to butter than I remember the 2019 model. Still not super buttery, but around 3.5/5 I would say.
Score Breakdown and Final Verdict
Check out the breakdown of the score in the table below.
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
SPEED | 4.0 | 20/25 |
CARVING | 4.0 | 16/20 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
JUMPS | 4.0 | 12/15 |
POWDER | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 3.5 | 7/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
SWITCH | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 85.9/100 |
The Mountain Twin is a stable feeling, lightweight board that is well suited to riding big freestyle. Definitely not for beginner freestyle, but if you're looking to go big, it's got you covered.
But mostly this is just a really versatile all-mountain board that can carve, bomb and really holds its own in powder, as well as being able to ride switch really well.
It's the do-it-all, one quiver board if you like your boards a little stiffer and more aggressive.
More Info, Current Prices and Where to Buy Online
If you want to learn more about the Ultra Mountain Twin, are ready to buy or want to research prices and availability, check out the links below.
If you want to see how the Ultra Mountain Twin compares to other men’s aggressive all-mountain snowboards or want to check out some other options in that category, check out the next link.
PAST REVIEWS OF THE ULTRA MOUNTAIN TWIN
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Hello Nate –
While I’m sad that the season is over I hope you are testing lots of new boards. I’m very undecided with regards to two boards: Jones UMT and Yes Standrad Uninc. You rate both very similar and seem to be what I’m looking for:
Most of the time I’m carving fast, small sidehits and jumps, some switch, technical terrain (moguls). I’m not a speed demon just like good form. No rails, jibbing.
A small percentage of the time just taking it easy with the family (slashing, slow speeds)
I have a powder board so no need for this board to excel in powder (if anything maybe some soft snow in trees but I try to use my pow board for those days)
I see a variety of conditions (Sierra cement, hardpack/icy, softer snow)
One friend has the Standard Uninc 156 and I found it a bit overpowering and locked in. I have never tried the UMT but I found the regular MT a bit soft for me and not damp.
I’m seriously overthinking! I saw the Standard Uninc has shorter sidecut, effective edge, and contact lenght and it’s a tiny bit wider. but it’s pure camber while the Jones UMT has a wider reference stance and rocker nose & tail so might be less catchy?
How would you compare these two boards? If helpful I’m comparing the SU 153 vs the UMT 154 (I’m 75kg with size 8.5 (American) boots)
Both are available at a great price – the SU a bit cheaper. Are they more similar than different and I’m just overanalyzing? Thanks for the guidance.
Hi Gabe, thanks for your message.
They are fairly different boards. They do have a similar flex, but the UMT is a bit easier to turn – it’s less locked in – you can release the tail when you want to easier than on the Standard Uninc. Given your experience with the Standard Uninc and the Mountain Twin, I think the UMT is probably your best bet. It’s like a stiffer/damper mountain twin, essentially. While the Standard (camrock version) is quite similar to the Mountain Twin, the Standard Uninc and UMT aren’t as similar. Likewise, the Mountain Twin and UMT are more similar to each other than the Standard and Standard Uninc are to each other. The camrock Standard is not only a little softer than the SU, but also a lot less locked in – it’s more like the Mountain Twin to ride.
Based on what you’re describing and your experience with both the Mountain Twin and Standard Uninc, I think the UMT is the best bet for you, even if you don’t need it to be good in powder.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Thank you very much for this detailed and interesting review !
I’m looking forward to buying this board but I’m a bit worried about the riding level it requires.
I’ve been snowboarding for a while now, about 10 years, but I would not concider myself as an “expert” rider. I’m not doing any big airs, and almost no freestyle. I’m mostly riding the slope going fast and carving, even if I’m not a super athletic person. However, I would love to have an “all purpose” board that could motivate me to enhance other aspects of my riding.
I saw on the Jones website that the UMT could fit for confirmed riders, but you are also mentioning that you need to be a very strong rider.
Can you tell me a bit more about the physical requirements to ride this board? Could it fit with my profile or should I check something else, that would be a bit less overkill ?
Thank you very much !
And happy new year 🙂
(sorry if my english is not perfect I’m not a native speaker)
Hi Pierre-Antoine
Thanks for your message.
From the impression I’m getting from how you describe your riding, I would be leaning regular Mountain Twin. In terms of this – just with a stiffer board like this, particularly when the torsional flex is stiffer, it takes more energy/strength to turn it. Not to say that this would necessarily be out of range – it’s not something that’s super stiff/hard to turn or anything, so it could be doable, but as a more intermediate rider, I would lean Mountain Twin. I mean you could size down the UMT to make it easier to ride, but you’d be better going with your best size in the Mountain Twin in that case anyway, IMO.
Hope this helps and happy new year!
Hi Nate,
I’ve been following this site for quite some time and your reviews are super helpful. I’m currently deciding between the Jones ultra mountain twin and the aviator 2.0. I know they are not exactly in the same category to be compared with, but I’m looking for a board more on the freeriding side. I do a lot of on-groomer riding, often ride aggressively to carve through the mountain, but I don’t want to give up the ability to ride off-piste powder entirely, since most often I go to Japan for snowboarding. I would say 80% of the time I’m on groomer charging & carving and 20% of the time off-piste. I don’t really do jumps but would be happy to do a few ground tricks from time to time, and that’s why I ruled out the Jones flagship due to lack of switch riding ability.
Could you help me decide on which one should I go for, the ultra mountain twin or the aviator 2 please? I’m somewhat leaning toward the ultra mountain twin because it doesn’t seem to lose the ability to ride powder, but I’d wonder in terms of ability to carve on groomers, does UMT differ materially from Aviator 2 please?
Thanks in advance!
Hi Henry
Thanks for your message.
I would be leaning Ultra Mountain Twin (UMT) for you as well. You do sacrifice a little in terms of carving vs the Aviator 2.0, IMO, but the UMT is still a good carver. And is better in powder than the Av 2.0, IMO. The difference in powder more significant than the difference in carving, IMO. Neither would be a bad choice, but given you still want above average powder performance, I’d be leaning UMT.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the awesome review – it is quite helpful.
I have a questions to which I did not see the answer – what is the difference between the 21/22 and the 22/23 models?
Thanks.
Hi Milen
Thanks for your message.
As far as I can tell there’s no difference between the 21/22 and 22/23 models apart from the graphic.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
Im thinking of buying UMT, but im not sure. I like to ride on powder, but right here where O love the powder is not that soft its more hard. I also like to go fast down the mountain and I like tree runs. Im 6’1 and 175lbs and I wear size 10.5us do you think the 160 would be best for me?
I would also like to know if there is any other board that might suit me?
Thanks!
Hi Luca
Thanks for your message.
The UMT is good in powder – it’s not a powder specialist by any means, but it’s above average, IMO. It’s good for going fast – and it’s decent in trees, so I think it would be suitable for what you’re describing. Given you like powder and trees, I’d be leaning Flagship though, which is a little better in powder and trees, IMO, whilst being just as good for speed and carving. The UMT is better for jumps and riding switch, but if you’re not going to be doing those things as much, then the Flagship is probably the better bet.
Size-wise, if you do go UMT, the 160 definitely works. For this board, at your specs, you could look at the 157 as well though. If you were going to be doing some freestyle stuff as well, then I’d say 157 for sure. In your case, it’s a tight call between the 2 sizes. The 157 would give you a bit more maneuverability for trees, but at the sacrifice of a little stability at speed and float in powder.
Hope this helps
hi nate, i just bought the UMT for myself and will be testing it in january and february. i saw your review and i am really looking forward to it. i had a question about what you mean with smooth or snappy and damp or chattery? english is not my first language so i was wondering.
loving your site btw!
Hi Gijs
Thanks for your message.
A really snappy board is one I would describe as a board that springs from edge to edge quickly and sharply, is easy to extract pop from – might not have the most pop in the world, when you really wind it up, but the pop is effortless. Just a board that’s easy to throw around and pop. A snappy board can have downsides – they can sometimes feel a bit twitchy when making turns at higher speeds.
A really smooth board is one that is very stable and predictable in it’s turns. It’s not necessarily quick for changing edges, but it changes edges smoothly and predictably every time – and the turn radius typically feels even from the initiation of the turn right through the middle of the turn and exiting the turn. Whereas a snappy board tends to initiate the turn quicker, then take a little longer through the middle of the turn and then exit the turn quicker.
A really damp board is one that absorbs chatter and bumps well. You hardly feel any vibrations in the board, even when you’re riding fast and even when you’re riding over uneven terrain.
On the other hand, a really chattery board feels every vibration and bump. Not so good for smashing through messy snow or stability at higher speeds, but for the likes of boxes, rails etc and butter tricks and the likes, some people like to be able to feel everything under their board.
So neither is always good or always bad, it depends on your personal preference and riding style. Which is why I don’t score for these factors, but rather just put them on a scale.
Hope this helps and answers your question
Hello Nate,
I grabbed Jones UMT 2020 model for really good sale price. I rode it once, Love it. I paired it up with Flux SF bindings….it’s a speedy weapon down on the slope as it’s very responsive and it does everything I ask to. Loving it.
I only have a question….I wonder if 2020 model have 3d Contour base or not?
That’s all I want to know
Thanks
Victor
Hi Victor
Awesome to hear that you’re loving your new setup!
The 2020 UMT didn’t have the 3D contour base. The 2021 model was the first UMT model to get the 3D contour.
Hi Nate- great review, thank you. In fact the whole site is great- had been feeling a bit overwhelmed with options looking at a new board and this really breaks things down nicely.
Based off the review, the UMT sounds ideal for me- I ride groomers, powder when available and go pretty fast. The stability in uneven terrain and grip on hard/icy conditions also seems a big plus. Not much of a freestyler but would like to pick up some more jumping and switch riding, so great to see the board supports that.
I’m struggling a bit on sizing- I’m 6’3”, weight about 83kg (180 lbs) and wear size 45-45.5 boots (11.5-12 US typically). I’m assuming I’d need a wide board – maybe the 162W? Or could I get away with a 163? Or should I be looking at a 165w?
Really appreciate the help!
Hi Tom
Thanks for your message.
Yeah with 11.5s to 12s you’d typically need to go wide. On this particular board, it’s close. If you were in 11.5s, the 163 would be doable, IMO. Particularly so, if you were good with the 23.6″ (600mm) reference stance. But it would really depend on that kind of stance width and depend on you being in 11.5s instead of 12s. At least some angle on the back foot binding would also be advantageous. If those things align, then I think you could go 163. Otherwise, I’d look more at 162W. The 165W would be too big, IMO. The 159W would be doable, but on the small side – again in terms of width, similar to the comments re the 163 (they’re a very similar width). But whilst the 159W is doable, I’d be leaning either 163 or 162W, given that you’re looking to ride fast.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I’m 6′-4″ 235lbs and where size 14 boot. I’m from the midwest and don’t get a lot of powder but love going out west. Most of the time I’m on groomers but do like going into the trees some. I never really go into the park as I enjoy carving around and going faster. At the same time, I’m also trying to help my son learn so I have to go slower at times. Would you go with the MT or the UTM. Would the 165w be wide enough or would I need to do the 168w?
Thanks for your suggestions
Hi Jonathan
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of sizing. I think you’ll probably get away with the 165W for width, if you’re riding with binding angles similar to +15/-15 – or something with a decent amount of angle on the both feet. And assuming you’re riding at least as wide as the reference stance. If you’re riding with a straighter back binding angle, then you’re probably going to go 168W, to give you that extra width – or if you had a wider stance width that might allow you to still get on the 165W.
UMT doesn’t come in the 168W, but I think if you were going to go UMT, you’d want to go 165W anyway. Whilst the 168W would give you more stability at speed and float in powder, I think it wouldn’t be much fun trying to ride slow on it with your son. The Mountain Twin, I think the 168W could work, being the softer more easy going board. I’d still probably be leaning 165W, if you can get on it width-wise.
I think on balance, the 165W Mountain Twin, I would be leaning towards if you can get on it width-wise. It’s going to be the best bet for you with your son and in trees. The 165W UMT would give you more stability at speed for sure – I think you’d prefer it when you’re bombing (with the 168W MT being in between). So I think it kind of depends how often you’re bombing and how often you’ll be spending with your son/in the trees. If it’s 50/50, then I’d say 165W MT (if you can fit on it width-wise) or 168W MT (if you can’t fit width-wise on the 165W). But if you’re far more often by yourself and bombing at speed a lot, then I’d be more tempted by the 165W UMT.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
Did the the BSOD change a lot during the years? I have a 2015 BSOD and its much more mellow then a Slash AtV for instance.
I want to buy a new board now and doubting between This years Nitro team pro165w, Salomon ultimate164, Jones UMT, and Capita BSOD. Can you compare them? I am looking looking for an aggressive all mountain board but a good bit wider then the atv as I still encounter toedrag sometimes.
to be honest I am a bit skeptic about the BSOD as I think the carving capabilities are a lot less and much softer then other aggressive boards you’re describing…..
Thanks for advice
Hi Rob
Thanks for your message.
The BSOD has changed quite a bit over the years. I first rode it in the 2017 model, so I haven’t had experience on the 2015 model. But yeah recent models (I last rode the 2021 model, but the 2022 model is quite similar) are mellower than the ATV. I certainly wouldn’t describe it as a mellow board though – but it’s a little softer (7/10 by my flex feel versus 8/10 on the ATV by my feel) and has some rocker in the nose, that mellows it out a little compared to the ATV.
The latest model (from the 2021 model on) of the UMT is a little more mellow than previous models. Again still certainly not a mellow board at all. But it’s just a touch more mellow than previous models – and a touch more mellow than the ATV, IMO. It’s pretty close in terms of flex (7.5/10 by my feel), but has that rocker to mellow things out a little and also now has the contour base, which, IMO, is the main thing that made it more mellow for the 2021 model.
The Salomon Ultimate Ride is one I haven’t ridden since it got taper, but on previous models it felt pretty aggressive. In terms of flex, I felt it at 7/10. But it’s got a lot of camber. It’s not full camber, but you wouldn’t know it by riding it – that rocker is pretty subtle and the camber quite accentuated. Latest model looks to have the same camber profile as when I rode it (I last rode the 2020 model) but I’m not sure if it got any stiffer – and not sure of overall feel now that it’s more directional.
I haven’t ridden the Nitro Team Pro, but specs show it as being the same flex as the Team. I felt the Team more at 6/10 than the 7/10 Nitro rates it as. So I’m not sure if the Team Pro would feel more like 6 as well. It’s hard to say having not tested it. On the face of it you’d think so, but the Capita Mercury and Mega Merc are rated the same for flex and the Mega Merc is noticeably stiffer, so it can be hard to tell sometimes. Certainly won’t be too mellow overall, with a full camber profile, but could be as soft as 6/10 flex feel.
In terms of sizing, can you let me know the size of your ATV, and your height, weight and boot size. You might have told me before, but from a quick check over past comments, I couldn’t find it.
Oh yeah, and in terms of hard carves, the BSOD isn’t at that same level as something like the ATV or the Ultimate Ride. Though I’d say at a similar level to the UMT.
Thanks for the info mate, really appreciated!! I ride an ATV 163W( not sold anymore). I agree with you 100% the ATV is 1 of the best all mountain boards out there, I would just like something the same but slightly longer and wider. 215LBS 6inch4 and size 11.5US boots. you have very detailed reviews of snowboards, maybe start a youtube channel?
Greetz Rob
Hi Rob
Yeah the UMT 165W and Ultimate Ride 164 will certainly be wider than the ATV. So they’ve got that covered. Between the UMT and Ultimate ride, I’d say overall the Ultimate Ride is a little more similar to the ATV. The UMT closer in terms of flex, but the Ultimate Ride closer in terms of overall feel. The Custom X is also an option (166W). To me stiffer than the ATV. I haven’t ridden it yet, but the 165W Never Summer Hammer also comes to mind. Can’t say how it rides from experience, but it does have a full camber profile and it’s rated 7/10 for flex (not sure how in reality that compares to the others).
I’ve often thought about a youtube channel, but I’m not that comfortable in front of a camera, so I’ve never taken that plunge!
I understand about the YouTube its something to get used too!!😃
Thanks for all the amazing info always and for sure going to have a look at that Never Summer Hammer also!!
You’re very welcome Rob. If you think of it at the time, let me know what you end up going with and how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow!
Thanks for the review man!
I’m an experience snowboarder looking for a new all-mountain deck. I currently have a Burton deep thinker 163w (which I’m retiring but really liked). I have an Orca for deep days.
I’m 6’4, 210lbs and wear a 11.5 TM2.
I’ve been going between the UMT and the Capita BSOD and can’t really make up my mind. I know they aren’t exactly the same style of board but they are both intriguing.
My park days are mostly behind me but I still like to boost over the odd table top and am always looking for side hits and natural drops. I ride pretty fast and like a board that digs into corners. I’ve always ridden stuffer decks.
Any advice appreciated!!
Hi Benji
Thanks for your message.
Tough call, as both are really nice and both suitable for what you’re describing, IMO. A couple of things to note that might help you make your decision.
– I found the BDSO a little better at speed. Both really good there, but the BSOD just a little better
– BSOD a little better in powder – but given that you have your Orca for deep days, this won’t be a big deal, both can handle shallow powder fine
– Equal in terms of carving, jumps, uneven terrain, IMO
– UMT a little better for riding switch
– UMT a little better in hard/icy snow, IMO, but both pretty close. Both, in my experience just a little better than Deep Thinker in this respect
– BSOD has a little more camber overall. Closer in terms of camber content to the Deep Thinker. UMT is more camber than it is rocker for sure, but a little more rocker than the BSOD
– I felt the UMT (7.5/10) a little stiffer than the BSOD (7/10) – versus the Deep Thinker which I felt at an 8/10 flex.
In terms of sizing, it would be a debate between the 162W and 165W for UMT and between the 161W and 165W for the BSOD. Given how you describe your riding, I would be leaning towards 165W for the BSOD and 162W for the UMT. Assuming you were happy with the sizing of the Deep Thinker.
For some reference for sizing decisions:
Width – estimated width at inserts for the sizes and compared to Deep Thinker 163W (all at reference stance):
– UMT 162W: 278mm at back insert
– UMT 165W: 282mm at back insert
– BSOD 161W: 276mm at back insert
– BSOD 165W: 279mm at back insert
– Deep Thinker 163W: 277mm at back insert
So apart from the 165W UMT pretty close at inserts to the 163W Deep Thinker (assuming reference stance for each).
Effective edge:
– UMT 162W: 125.6cm
– UMT 165W: 127.8cm
– BSOD 161W: 123.7cm
– BSOD 165W: 126.9cm
– Deep Thinker 163W: 124.5cm
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
I’m looking for an all around board that can hit anything at resorts. I’m a big guy (6’2″, 290lbs, size 12 boot) and currently ride my brothers 2016 UMT, which is a 160 I believe.
I have an Orca for pow days, but I need something for just about everything else.
I’m not a super fast rider, but I’ve felt more comfortable on this board at higher speeds than others that I’ve tried. I was thinking about going with the 2021 version in maybe a 162W, but wanted to see if boards such as the normal mountain twin, mercury, etc. would be a better option.
My question is do you think the UMT is a good fit for me since the stiffness can handle my weight, or should I go for a less stiff board like the normal mountain twin?
Hi Jack
Thanks for your message.
I think if you’re going to go 162W, then I would go UMT. For your weight on that size, the UMT is going to feel softer than it does for someone smaller, so if you want to go that size, I think the UMT. Something like the MT might feel too soft at that size. If you liked the 160 size, riding your brothers, then going 162W I think will work, but if you go that size, I’d definitely go UMT over MT.
Hope this helps
Hello, first thanks a lot for this very interesting review, I’m getting this board this winter then I really appreciated your comments and feeling about it.
If you would choose a size for yourself on this board, what would it be ? I feel like 157 might be a bit small regarding your height and weight, no ? Can it influence your feelings about its stiffness ? (looking less stiff (7.5/10) than announced from Jones, 9/10)
Hi Anthony
Thanks for your message.
Yes absolutely a boards flex will feel different depending on your weight/the size you go with. If I rode the 160 it would feel stiffer, than the 157 I rode, for sure. But not as much as going to 9/10, I wouldn’t think. Based on my experience of riding the exact same sized boards in different sizes, the difference in that kind of size would be a flex feel of around 1/2 or up to 1 at most. So, I suspect that I would feel the 160 at more like 8/10. Maybe 8.5, but I was kind of in between 7 and 7.5 for the 157, so I don’t think the 160 would feel more than 8/10.
In terms of the size I would actually get, I would actually get the 157. Jones’ weight recommendations put me exactly in the middle for the 160 and at the high end for the 157, but that’s only one thing I take into account for length. For one thing, the combination of the length and width of the 160 would feel too big for me. The 160 would be around 270mm at the inserts and 257mm at the waist, even at the narrower 560mm stance and a bit more than that if I was to ride it at the 600mm reference stance. I don’t tend to like boards that wide, unless they’re sized down. Even the 157 is on the wider side for my preference, but the combination of length and width is a good fit for me. I would typically ride an all-mountain board like this between 157 and 159. For the width, I like this on the smaller end of that spectrum.
Hope this helps
Thanks a lot for your reply, that is very interesting and helpful.
As I’m gonna go into deep pow with this board, on the FWQ, I went for a 163cm. I’ll let you know how this board will feel in pretty hard conditions, what we often have during competitions.
Always a big pleasure to read all the snowboard reviews here, hope you’ll continue!
You’re very welcome Anthony.
Would definitely be interested to hear how you get on. Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Hi Nate,
I’m going to get the Ultra Mountain Twin but wondering if i can sneak into the 157 with M/L Rome targa bindings (sz 10.5 Boots), or if I should just go with the 158W.
Thanks!
Hi Trav
Thanks for your message.
In terms of 10.5s, I would be confident that you could get on the 157 Ultra Mountain Twin, especially if you’re riding it at the 600mm (23.6″) reference stance. It’s quite wide at the inserts compared to the waist width, so they should be wide enough for your boots, IMO.
In terms of the bindings, I don’t test Rome gear currently, so I’m not sure how long Rome’s base plates tend to be. When I look at the Targa, I only see size options of S/M and L/XL (other Rome bindings have different sizings – they’re sizing system is rather complicated!). With 10.5s, I would assume you’re on the L/XL (but of course maybe there is M/L but I’m just not seeing it). Unfortunately, I couldn’t say for sure whether they would fit on the 157 UMT. However, my instinct says they will. Their L/XL sizing looks to be from size 9 and up – if they made their bindings to fit size 9 boots, then I would imagine they wouldn’t be so long that they couldn’t fit on regular width boards, as most with size 9s wouldn’t be on wide boards.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate, love your reviews!
Hopping for some advice on building my quiver. I’m 170cm (5’7) and approx 85-90kg (190-200lbs). I previously rode a DC Devin Pro ‘13, I love speed and enjoy everything from power (when I can get it), bombing it down the mountain with my skiing friends, hitting natural jumps and riding switch and some park here and there. I’m in Europe at the moment but will be returning to the Southern Hemisphere in the coming years so want something I can keep with some good traction for Aus/NZ conditions.
I recently purchased a 2019 Yes PYL 159 and a 2016 Yes Jackpot 154 for a two board quiver. I was hoping that between those two I would cover all bases but worried that the jackpot wouldn’t bomb fast enough and that the PYL isn’t great switch and thinking a board that is in between that can I can bomb with my skii friends and play a little bit too switch on the groomers etc when it’s not a powder day.
Has anyone got a jackpot/PYL and recommend keeping what I have or should I make use of the current sales and grab an all mountain board. Thinking something along the line of the Jones Ultra Mountain Twin or Capita Mercury or Any other recommendations to fill the gap if at all?
Hi Oscar
Thanks for your message.
I think the PYL & Jackpot make a good 2 board quiver. But yeah the Jackpot in the 154 probably isn’t going to be a bomber. But for those park days and hitting natural jumps, it’s a nice little board. I’ve found most YES boards to have good edge-hold in hard/icy conditions too – so you’re covered there. The PYL isn’t ideal for riding switch, but it’s certainly doable.
Something like the UMT would certainly be in between those in a couple of ways. It’s less directional and more switch suitable than the PYL, but certainly more bomb-worthy than the Jackpot. In terms of flex it’s not in between though. I would say that it’s stiffer than the PYL. But from what I can tell the DC Devun Pro (not a board I’ve ridden) looks like it’s pretty stiff – so if you’re used to that and like it, then the UMT would be a good option for bombing groomers and riding switch. I personally prefer something softer for more freestyle type riding, but some people like the stiffer boards like the UMT for riding freestyle too.
The Mercury is pretty much right in between the Jackpot and PYL, I would say. Less directional than the PYL, but more directional than the Jackpot – and in between the 2 flex-wise too. It’s a good all-rounder, IMO.
Hope this gives you a little more to go off for your decision. I have linked to the reviews for the PYL, Jackpot and Mercury, if you want to look in more detail what I thought of those.
Thanks for the advice!
Apologies for the delay in getting back, I’ve been going around in circles can can’t seem to pull the trigger on either the Yes Standard, Jones UMT/MT or Mercury. However, each time i go around I always end up at the UMT, (I think mainly as I can get my buttering and slow park days from the jackpot and powder from PYL).
I’m not sure if I should go for the 154 or the 157, would you be able to provide a recommendation at all? I’m 170cm (5’7), approx 90kg (200lbs) and 7.5uk/9.5 US boot.
Cheers,
Oscar
Hi Oscar
I would go 157 for UMT for your specs. And I think that would be a good compliment between your 159 PYL and 154 Jackpot. I think the 154 would be a little small for the kind of riding you’re likely to want to be doing with it.
Hope this helps
Hey Oscar,
I have a similar setup with a 2020 Yes Jackpot 154 for park and a 2020 Arbor Annex 159 for freeride. I had the 2021 Jones Mountain Twin 157 last year for a quiver killer. It’s great but felt it to be a little bit squirrely on steep icy moguls. What did you end up selecting? I’m considering selling my Jones MT and purchasing an UMT.
Hi, I’m 5’8 230lbs 10.5 boot,…,… debating between the 160 and 162. Looking for a recommendation?……Also, are Malavita’s ideal for this board? Thanks.
Hi Matt
Thanks for your message.
It’s a tight call between those 2 sizes. You could certainly ride both, and the difference will be subtle but still noticeable. But I would be leaning towards the 162, assuming you are an advanced ride who likes to carve and bomb (which is what this board is great at). If you want to also get it in the park and ride a lot of trees, then I would be more leaning towards 160.
In terms of bindings, ideally I would pair the UMT with something stiffer than the Malavitas. The UMT is quite a stiff board. They do the job (that’s what I rode it on) but I would look at something with at least 7/10 flex and probably more like 8/10 flex. Check out the following for some good options.
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
>>Top 5 Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate. Usually I ride ref stance but 60 is too wide. Noticed you went 56 on this review. Just wanted to know if you achieved that by moving each binding in one set of holes? And also if moving each binding in the same will preserved the designed setback? Thanks!
Hi Del
Thanks for your message.
Yeah exactly. I moved each binding in one set of holes (20cm each) and that achieved the 56cm stance width, without effecting the amount of setback. It means that you’re 20cm per foot more narrow on the effective edge but you’re still setback the same amount, if that makes sense. The UMT has a 20mm setback, and you still end up being 20mm back from the center of the effective edge, by adjusting the stance in that way.
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate.
You’re very welcome Del. Hope you have an awesome season!
I’m not sure if my original comment posted.
Hi Mike
Please see my response to your previous comment above. My website isn’t informing people that comments have gone through but are under moderation. Something I’m looking into.
Hey Nate,
I’m having a tough time deciding between the Ultra Mountain Twin 164w and the regular Mountain Twin 164w. I’m 6’6″, weigh 205 lbs, and generally wear a US size 12 boot although my Adidas Tactical ADVs are a size 11. I have been riding a 159w Yes Basic for the past couple of seasons, but I’m looking for something slightly more freeride oriented and stiffer, while still being able to ride switch and butter. I occasionally go in the park but have a strong preference for tree runs and hitting natural features around the resort. I was leaning towards the UMT as I’m looking for something more hard charging, but I’m worried it will be too stiff and I’d prefer the playfulness of the regular mountain twin.
Any help is appreciated, thanks!
Hi Mike
Thanks for your message.
I would be leaning towards the regular Mountain Twin for you. It’s still going to be a step up in flex compared to the Basic and a step up in general for carving, powder and speed and add to that the 5cm increase in length and it is going to be a very different ride to your current board. In terms of carving and speed, the UMT will be another step up again, but the regular Mountain Twin is, IMO, going to be better for buttering, in the park, hitting natural features and in the trees.
The UMT is really quite stiff – and for me that usually means, and was certainly the case, I found, with the UMT, that it’s not that easy to maneuver at slower speed. So, if you’re doing something quite technical in the trees, then I would personally prefer to have the softer Mountain Twin over the UMT. Also, personally I preferred the Mountain Twin for natural features. The UMT is really good on large jumps, so if you’re really sending it, there’s an advantage there, but I preferred the MT for smaller jumps and features, particularly when there was a bit of a tricky or tight approach to a feature.
I think the 164W is a good size for you, and I would be leaning towards the Mountain Twin, based on what you’re describing.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for the response Nate, looks like I’ll likely end up with the regular mountain twin as tree runs and side hits are my favorite part of riding. My only other thought would be getting a 161w UMT to make the stiffness more manageable and gain some maneuverability for the trees. Any thoughts on going this route?
Thanks again for the help!
Hi Mike
That’s certainly an option and I like you’re thinking.
It’s tough to say what the better option would be. You’d certainly gain some maneuverability back and you’ve got that shorter length, which is easy to deal with in trees. The 164W Mountain Twin would still likely be more buttery and would still likely feel softer than the 161W UMT, though the difference in the feel of the flex would be less than comparing both boards in the 164W. I do like the sound of the width of the 161W UMT for size 11 Tactical ADVs for sure, which would also help add a bit of maneuverability, being a little narrower.
It’s hard to say for sure which would be better for you in that scenario, but hopefully this gives you a bit more to go off
Hi Nate,
Is it stiffer or the same stiffness as the slash ATV?
I have an atv and feels pretty aggressive I have to say…
Hi Rob
I’d say it’s about the same in terms of stiffness as the ATV, probably even a little stiffer than that. But the ATV is all camber and the UMT has some rocker sections tip and tail, which just eases up the aggressive feel just a little bit. But certainly still an aggressive feeling board. I would say as aggressive as the ATV. Maybe slightly stiffer, but in terms of overall feel very similar, IMO.