Hello and welcome to my Union Falcor review.
In this review I will take a look at the Falcor as all-mountain-freeride snowboard bindings.
As per tradition here at SnowboardingProfiles.com I will give the Falcor a score out of 100 (based on several factors) and see how they compare with other all-mountain-freeride bindings.
Overall Rating
Bindings: Union Falcor
Price: $369 (USD recommended retail)
Style: All-Mountain-Freeride
Flex Rating: Medium-Stiff (7/10)
Flex Feel: Medium-Stiff (7.5/10)
Rating Score: 92.0/100
Compared to other Men’s All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Out of the 17 men’s all-mountain-freeride bindings that I rated:
Overview of the Falcor’s Specs
Check out the tables for the Falcor’s specs and available sizes.
Specs
Style: | All-Mountain-Freeride |
Price: | $369 |
Ability Level: |  |
Flex: |  |
Weight: | A little lighter than normal |
Mounts To: | 2 x 4 | Channel |
Sizing
SIZE | US BOOT SIZE | EURO BOOT SIZE | UK BOOT SIZE |
|---|---|---|---|
S | 6-7.5 | 38-40.5 | 5-6.5 |
M | 8-10 | 41-43 | 7-9 |
L | 10.5+ | 43.5+ | 9.5+ |
Who are the Falcor Most Suited To?
The Falcor are best suited to anyone looking for a responsive binding for hard charging but a binding that doesn't make you charge hard all the time. Something that you can still ride a little more casually on. And something you can still experience good board feel with.
Matches best to boards in that 6/10 to 8/10 flex range, IMO.
Not for beginners - too stiff for that. High end intermediate and up, IMO.
The Falcor in More Detail
O.k. let’s take a more detailed look at what the Falcor are capable of.
Demo Info
Binding: Union Falcor 2022, M
Date: February 24, 2021
Conditions: Sunny! As in not a single cloud. Perfect visibility.
-4°C (25°F) and -4°C (25°F) with wind chill (as in no wind!). Felt warmer than that because of the sun.
Snow was pretty good for the most part. On groomer some harder spots but mostly medium. Off groomer medium with some crunchy spots.
24 hour snow: 2cm (0.75")
7 day snow: 45cm (18")
On groomer: Hard but not icy.
Off groomer: Crunchy with some icy patches
Bindings angles: +15/-15
Stance width: 555mm (22″)
Board demoed with: Lib Tech Terrain Wrecker
Boots demoed with: Adidas Tactical ADV 9.5
Baseplate Length: 25.5cm (10”)*
*measured on the top side of the footbed - 23cm (9") at base of baseplate.
Highback Height: 21cm (8.3”)*
* from bottom of heel cup to top of highback
Height from top of footbed to top of highback: 26.7cm (10.5")
Weight: 840g (1lb 13oz)
* for one binding, including screws and disc. The average weight of a small sample size of around 45 bindings (2019, 2020, 2021 & 2022 models) I weighed, was 890 grams. The lightest was 680 grams and the heaviest was 1,160grams. So the Falcor are a little lighter than average.
Mounting
Previously with Union bindings I've had to sink a screw without a washer first, then sink the 3 other screws and then remove that first screw and add the washer back before re-sinking it. I didn't have that issue on the 2022 Falcor, so that was nice to just be able to sink it easily without first having to sink one washer-less.
Still need a screw for high-back lean. Not a big deal if you set it and forget it. But if you're someone who likes to adjust the highback position depending, then it's a bit of a pain.
Flex
They're a little stiffer than I remember them for sure. The highback and straps are noticeably stiffer than on the 2019 model I own. But the overall flex when riding is only subtly stiffer. I think that's likely because the baseplate isn't as stiff.
Union rate the baseplate 7/10, the highback 9/10 and the straps 8/10. All round it's a 7.5/10 for me, so I think that baseplate probably has the most influence on overall flex, when riding?
Responsiveness
You can really rail carves with these bindings. Noticeably better on a big carve versus my control bindings. And all the changes to this binding hasn't affected it's ability when it comes to bombing and charging.
However, I did notice that they aren't as easy to maneuver with at slower speeds. They're not really bad in that area, but a little worse than they used to be. They still have a good balance between being able to bomb and still help you to ride your board slower as well, but don't sit in quite the sweet spot that they used to, IMO. Previously they didn't seem to have to compromise on either slow riding or hard charging.
Board Feel/Butterability
They still have really good board feel and the changes don't seem to have affected that at all, by my feel. Great bindings for those who want something fairly stiff, but still want good board feel and still want to be able to butter.
Pop/Ollie Power
They have a little more power for ollies than my control binings - which is saying something because my control bindings aren't bad in this area. So really good for helping to get that pop out of your board. Of course a binding is never going to transform a boards pop to a large extent, but the Falcor's allow you to eek out just a little more pop.
Adjustability
Heel Cup: Yes - which is great for getting your heel and toe overhang centered
Stance Width: With the mini-discs can't run the disc vertically - but there's no need to have that, with the adjustable heel cup (you'd typically only run vertically for boot centering). So with the disc running horizontally it gives you some stance width adjustability. However, being a mini-disc it's somewhat limited.
Highback Lean: Yes, but still not tool-less
Ankle Strap Position: No
Toe Strap Position: Yes
Ankle and toe strap length: Yes and tool-less
Gas pedal/toe ramp extension: No
Highback Rotation: Yes- and this is new for 2022 model. Previous models didn't have independent highback rotation. There are only 2 slots, but it's better than nothing, if you like to rotate your highbacks.
Compatible with: 2 x 4 | The Channel (not compatible with 4 x 4, which means doesn't work on "slam back inserts" "float packs" - anything that has an extra set of holes 4cm behind the main insert pack and not compatible with 4 x 4 insert packs, though those are very rare these days).
Let's Break this text up with a video
Shock Absorption
A good amount of padding in the footbed. And that padding is nice and "reboundy".
In practice when actually riding, this translates into some really shock absorption. For both bad landings and for absorbing chatter these bindings are up there.
Entry/Exit
Nice smooth ratchets. A little smoother than on my 2019 Falcors. Similar smoothness to my control bindings (Burton Malavita).
Comfort
Overall very comfortable. Most importantly there was no pressure points or calf bite that I experienced.
Ankle Strap: Conforms nicely and zero pressure points.
Toe Strap: Ditto
Canted Footbed: Yes
Padded Footbed: Good spring/padding in the footbed.
Highback: Padding right at the top, but nowhere else, but all round didn't feel any calf bite or discomfort, and that's the main thing.
Ankle Support
Ankle support is decent on these bindings. Ankle strap sits just a little lower than on my control bindings and some might prefer more support higher on their ankle, but all round I found it really good.
Changes for 2023 Model
As far as I can tell the 2023 model is the same as the 2022 model apart from some new colorways.
Changes for 2022 Model
- New Highback (Falcor Forged Hybrid 2.0): This is the biggest change. It's stiffer for starters. It's also thicker in the "Y" section of the highback. And where the "Y" connects to the rest of the rest of the highback looks to be a much more solid connection (particularly around where it connects with the Flad. The connection is quite minimal on previous models. I haven't had any issues with my 2019s but maybe some were - or maybe they just decided to make that area stronger.
- New ankle strap (Exoframe 5.0): Feels noticeably stiffer than previous ankle straps.
- New toe strap (TS 4.0+)
- Plus new ratchets, flad (forward lean adjuster) and non-stick EVA on the gas pedal. Flad is still not tool-less, unfortunately.
- Now has highback rotation. This wasn't a change published by Union - but you can now rotate the highback. There are only 2 slots, so there's not a lot of micro adjustability there, but you can adjust it a little, which you couldn't previously do.
Score Breakdown and Final Verdict
Check out the breakdown of the score in the table below.
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.5 | 27/30 |
BOARD FEEL | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ANKLE SUPPORT | 4.0 | 12/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.5 | 9/10 |
COMFORT | 4.5 | 9/10 |
ENTRY/EXIT | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 92.0/100 |
Overall the Falcor's are beasts - and they can help you really lean into your carves, but at the same time aren't bad for riding slow either. 2022 models a little worse for riding slow than previous models, but still not bad.
And if you value shock absorption and board feel but still want that stiffer flex, then chances are pretty good you'll like the Falcor.
More Info, Current Prices and Where to Buy Online
If you want to learn more about the Falcor, are ready to buy or want to research prices and availability, check out the links below.
If you want to see how the Falcor compares to other men’s all-mountain-freeride bindings or want to check out some other options in that category, check out the next link.
O.k. let’s take a more detailed look at what the Falcor are capable of.
O.k. let’s take a more detailed look at what the Falcor are capable of.
Hi, and thanks for the amazing resource that your website is. I have a Yes Optimistic on the way and I’m torn between the Atlas and the Falcor for that board. I’m a fairly aggressive rider who likes hitting hard groomer carves at 40mph+ as well as seeking out powder in the trees whenever it’s there. No park riding and don’t care about jumps too much, but I definitely value reliability, low weight, and max performance. Any advice would be appreciated!
Hi Bryan
For what you’re describing, I’d be leaning towards the Atlas, mostly because you’re not really doing jumps or in any need of board feel for presses, ollies etc, by the sounds of it. Both would work though. And it kind of depends on the kind of response you’re looking for. The Atlas, to me, has a smooth consistent, predictable response versus a more explosive, springy kind of response out of the Falcor. But my instinct for your style of riding would be Atlas.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate, perhaps an odd question for you BUT I ride an ancient K2 Believer with Ride SPI bindings (both circa 2009) and just bought new DC Control boots (medium flex). Board is in fine shape but was considering updating the bindings. Would the Falcor or Strata (or something else) work for my setup? What would you upgrade with? I ride groomers FAST, side country, and powder.
Hey Trace
Thanks for your message.
I had to look up the K2 Believer as it’s not a board I’m familiar with. Just going from what I could find out about it, so really just a guess, I think both bindings would work on it. But given you like to ride fast, I would be leaning Falcor, as it gives you a little more support when bombing. Again, in terms of matching with board, I couldn’t say for sure, it’s just a guess from what I could find out about the board.
Hi Nate, I really appreciate all the effort and advise on this website.
I have got a new set-up, 2020 Ride Berzerker 163W, 2023 Union Falcor and Vans Verse. I think they work well together but I have to ride fast to get the best out of them. I am currently mostly riding with my wife that is starting her second season and realized that it is too stiff to move at slower speeds and not fun cruising the groomers.
Can you recommend some boards that would pair well with the Falcors and Vans that are less stiff, more playful as slower speeds? Would a Burton Custom Flying V, Burton Process, Ride Shadowban, Arbor Coda or Arbor Formula work? Is there a limit to how flexible I should look at. I’m intermidiate and will be riding mostly resort groomers, and a little park/powder, Many thanks
Hey Toby
Thanks for your message.
I wouldn’t go too much softer than the flex of the bindings/boots, but you can certainly take a couple of flex steps down from them. The verse without tongue stiffeners in, should feel around 7/10 flex and falcors similar, so you could go as low as 5/10 flex and should still be good. Any lower than that and id be concerned with those boots and bindings overpowering the board and making it feel twitchy.
So I think I would look at either the custom flying v, process or shadowban (though I haven’t ridden the shadowban so can’t say for sure what it’s like at slower speeds, but on paper it should be better than berzerker). The coda camber your prob find isn’t as mellow as what you’re looking for. The coda rocker could work but still prob stiffer than what you’re after. The formula prob too soft.
Hope this helps
Cheers Nate,
Thank you for the response. I have been going over the site also have seen the following possibilities: Libtech Terrain Wrecker or Cold Brew, Jones Frontier or Mountain Twin, Nitro Team, Capita Outerspace Living.
For the Burton Process is that too soft or on the limit and the Custom would be better match?
As this would be a second board to the Berzerker, is there anything you would recommend I look for to avoid having another board similar? Or boards to avoid that are like the Berzerker.
Hi Toby
I haven’t ridden the Cold Brew, so can’t really say there, but the others would all work. Nothing is super similar to the Berzerker, but with the Berzerker being a more directional board, I would lean towards a more twin shape. The Frontier isn’t as directional as the Berzerker, but it’s a little more directional than the others, so that’s going to be a little closer to the Berzerker, IMO.
Given you want to go mellower as well, to give it more of a contrast vs the Berzerker, I would lean Nitro Team Gullwing over the camber version as the Gullwing is a little mellower.
The Process Flying V is probably a little soft, so I would go Custom if it’s the Flying V version. The Process Camber could work though. The Custom Camber, like the Team Camber, isn’t going to be as much of a contrast in terms of playfulness.
IMO, the Terrain Wrecker will be the most playful, easy going option, followed by the Custom Flying V/Capita OSL and then Mountain Twin/Team Gullwing/Process Camber followed by the Frontier followed by the Custom Camber/Team Camber.
Happy New Year Nate!
Thanks for the above advise. As of now I have narrowed down my choice between the Jones Mountain Twin and Ride Shadowban. They both seem pretty similar, would you say one is better than the other in any aspect?
Also regarding size, I am 6’3 and around 190lbs, boot size is 30 mondo So I need a wide board but both boards have JMT 162W or 165W and Ride 160W or 164W that are for my fit . Would the shorter boards feel too shaky to not make much difference? All the best, Toby
Hi Toby
Happy new year!
We haven’t tested the Shadowban, so I can’t really say how that rides by experience.
Size-wise, I think the 162W Mountain Twin is spot on for your specs – shouldn’t feel too shaky at all.
The Shadowban, it’s a close call. If you wanted even more mellow/maneuverability the 160W could work. The 164W would still be mellower and easier to ride slow vs the 163W Berzerker, I imagine based on what I’ve heard and looking at specs for Shadowban.
I dont suspect the Falcor or Strata would work with the +4 back seat inserts in my Whateva Beyond medals board, right?
Hi Bern
If the back seat inserts are just one set of holes and they are 4cm behind the main insert pack, then no you wouldn’t be able to use the Falcor or Strata on the back seat inserts. From what I can see from the picture of the Whatever Beyond Medals (I’m looking at the 2023 model), the holes seem to be all equal distance apart – and the “back seat” inserts are just extra holes at the back of the insert pack and there doesn’t appear to be any bigger gap – they all appear to be 2cm apart, in which case you’d be fine with the Falcor or Strata. But you’ll have a better idea looking at your board than I get from the pictures.
Turns out they are Nate!! thanks for the insight!!
Why wouldn’t all SB manufactures do the same to account for minis with equal 2mm spacing….
Hey Bern
That’s a really good question. One that I was asking myself too. It would definitely be logical!
I can’t come up with a reason why they wouldn’t. I mean it can’t add that much to manufacturing time.
Hey Nate
I have found a deal on a new pair of Falcors in the 2019 model. Which do they have the same amount of shock absorption as the 2023 model?
Right now I’m looking at the Stata, ultra falcors and katanas, and from reviews it seems like the ultra and the falcors have the best absorption while having good board feel. The older falcors seems to be right in the sweetspot, a bit closer to strata/katana flex, but with more pop and absorption.
I can only speak from reviews, so i was hoping you could help with a comparison and tell if you have had any problems with a the build quality of your pair
Best regards
Hi Mads
Thanks for your message.
I’ve owned the 2019 Falcor for a few years now and the only issue I’ve found with them is that the screws come looser quicker, so you’ve got to be a on the board about checking and retightening the screws. And when you first mount it you’ve got to sink a couple of screws without the washers, then sink the remaining screws then take those first 2 screws out and re-sink them with washers. It’s an issue Union had back then, which they’ve since sorted, but that’s the only build quality issue I’ve found with them. I feel like the 2023 model has a little more shock absorption than my 2019 model, but it’s very subtle. 2019 model still has good shock absorption.
My feel of 2019 Falcor is 7/10 flex. My feel for the Stata is 6/10 flex and the Katana is 7/10 flex. Katana has good board feel too and shock absorption. The 2023 Falcor I felt more at 7.5/10 flex.
Hope this helps
It helps, thank you
You’re very welcome Mads. Hope you have an awesome season!
Nate, i am really interested in getting some Union Bindings and don’t want to make an impulsive buy. I love riding powder and steep backwoods when planning the turns a little more carefully with some moguls but not the huge annoying carved out kind that wear you out. I like to move quick in powder too also, something good on groomers on occasions when conditions aren’t too good and i rarely touch the park. Looking for something durable and as Falcors look nice but the highbacks look a little thin, however that may not mean anything. i am not too picky when it comes down to it as i use to ride cartels but cant put them on new board. Put some old customs i had on old board and the highbacks snapped after one season so i am ready to invest in some quality stuff!
Let me know what you think?
Hi Rush
Thanks for your message. Falcors have a strengthened up the highback from the 2022 model and on. But if you could let me know the board you’ll be putting the bindings on, that would help. If you’re not too worried about anything freestyle or board feel or anything like that, then it might be the case that one of the Atlas models is your best bet, but would depend on your boards as to which one would be best suited. If you do want a bit of board feel, then the Falcor would certainly do the job well – but again, knowing which board would be great.
Thanks for the feedback, I ride a 2021 golden orca and absolutely love it so far.
Hey Rush.
Both the Falcors and Atlas would be a really good match to the Golden Orca, IMO. I would be leaning Atlas because of the way you describe your riding style but the Falcor definitely wouldn’t be wrong.
This year it looks like they rate the Union atlas stiffer then the Falcore. It also looks like they are eating the baseplate softer in the falcore for 2023
Hi Chris
Thanks for your input.
Yeah I see Union are rating the Atlas an 8/10 and the Falcor a 7/10. I rode the 2023 Atlas and it still feels more like a 7/10 to me. I didn’t ride the 2023 Falcor, as there didn’t appear to be any changes between it and the 2022 model. Apart from the flex rating – though it’s hard to compare between catalogs, when the 22 catalog shows the baseplate, highback and strap flex separately and the 2023 catalog (and website) are only showing one overall flex (which was a bit disappointing as it was nice to see the different flex of the different components. Where did you see that they were softening the baseplate on the Falcor. As far as I can see it’s the same base plate (S6 Duraflex CB). Doesn’t mean they haven’t tweaked it though, but just haven’t seen anything to suggest it’s been softened. If you do have specs on the separate flex ratings for different components for the ’23 model would be awesome if you could point me in the direction you found them.
Hi Nate!
I’ve been looking for bindings for my ’22 Bataleon Goliath. Narrowed it down between Falcors and Genesis. I mostly ride groomers and powder. I’d like your opinion on it so I can finally decide.
Apreciate it!
Cheers!
Hi Gunther
Thanks for your message.
Both could work. Will depend mostly on how stiff you wanted to go. I haven’t ridden the ’22 Goliath but I did ride the ’23 Goliath Plus. The Goliath + is supposed to be a 7/10 flex rating, but I felt it more at a 6/10 flex. So the Goliath being rated at 6/10, could feel closer to a 5/10 or 5.5/10 flex. If that’s the case, then I would say that the Genesis would be the more pure flex match. But the Falcor wouldn’t be out of range or anything. Going too stiff for the board can make the ride a little twitchy, but in this case with the Falcors I think it would be OK. But they’d be the stiffest I’d put on it. I found the Falcors (7.5/10 flex) considerably stiffer than the Genesis (5/10), so that’s going to be the biggest factor in your decision. The Falcor’s should give you better response and carving ability at higher speeds, with the Genesis offering better maneuverability at slower speeds. Both have very good board feel and shock absorption, adjuastbility etc, so I think your decision mostly comes down to that.
Hope this helps
Thanks for your reply, Nate!
Made up my mind. I’m going Falcor for the better response! While replying I ordered the ’23 Falcor Satellite! Hope the colors match, but they just look too good compared to the black ones.
It helps hearing from someone who’s actually ridden both!
Keep up the good work!
Cheers!
You’re very welcome Gunther. Thanks for visiting and I hope the Falcor treat you well.
Hi Nate,
I am looking for bindings for K2 alchemist and have narrowed the selection to 4 which are K2 lien at, union falcor, flux xf, cartel x. Since you have tested majority od them, would you be able to advice on which binding is the best choice in your opinion? Or maybe there is something else on the market that will fit alchemist perfectly 🙂
Hi Paul
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the Alchemist, so I couldn’t say for sure, but I’d say that the Lien AT is probably too soft. K2 rate it 10/10 for flex, so sounds like it’s really stiff, though from what I’ve heard, it’s not quite as stiff as they make it out to be. But assuming it’s still pretty stiff, you could look at going stiffer – like to an 8/10 to 9/10 flex bindings – like in this freeride binding list.
But depending on how stiff it feels in reality, the Falcor (7.5/10 flex), XF (7/10) and Cartel X (7/10) could all work. Between those, it would depend on how much shock absorption you wanted for starters. The XF isn’t great for shock absorption, but is otherwise very good – and has the better ankle support of all 3. But they’re all very good bindings, IMO and you can’t really make a bad choice between them. But check the score breakdowns for each one to tailor them to what you think would be best.
Hope this helps
Thank you. After reading forums i dropped falcors. Probably will go with xf or cv.
I forgot to mention that all i do is carve and bomb the mountain with the greats not much of a park guy.
Hi Stephen
Given how you ride and my experience with the Union Falcor on the Greats (a combo I really like), I think going with something around a 7/10 flex on the Greats would work well. I’d go something a little stiffer than the Strata, given you already have the slightly softer setup with the TW/Strata and given how you want to ride the Greats. Something from the following would be a good bet, IMO:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
Thanks again!!!!
You’re very welcome Stephen. Happy riding!
Super Website!
Thanks Tom!
Hi Nate,
congrats to your awesome review section and webpage. It helped me a lot!
I just made a superb deal and ordered the 2021 Falcors. In the meantime while I’m waiting for my delivery I am concerned about if I’ve finally chosen the perfect binging for my setup.
I am riding since 30 years therefore expert rider. I ride rare in the park and love to go fast in big turns and carve the groomer combined with butters and little tricks/180s etc. alongside it; not excluding a bit comfy riding at mid speed but actually never going slow.
If the conditions are perfect I leave the groomer and stay off piste in powder since there is nothing beyond that! (but powder in todays winter days isn’t the every day situation when I go to German/Austrian Alps especially when riding a few times only per winter. For this reason it has to be considered that my riding is always a mix of groomer, besides it and if conditions allow far away from it deep in powder).
Overall I prefer a light setup. I’m riding an aggressive K2 Zeppelin 158cm with a medium-stiff flex (older model but nicely ligth 6.85lbs + Burton boots, 2lbs per boot).
I don’t want to feel absolutely stiff on the board for which reason I was also taking Stratas into account. But since in total I ride all mountain and not mainly freestyle/park I thought that Falcors are my best friend. What do you recommend?
I studied from your review/comments that the 2011 Falcors are a good choice for me because they seem to be a bit flexier than the sturdier 2022 Falcors. The 2021 Falcors probably can be considered between the 2022 Falcors and 2022 Stratas (Stratas again seem to be slightly less flexy than the 2021 model). Can you still confirm that the 2011 Falcors have the better free moving space?
Last thing is binding size. I saw the comments that both Falcor and Strata can fit well in M size with a boot of US10 but probably depends on the boot dimension. (overall boot lenght 31cm; rubber sole lenght 30cm; rubber sole contact on floor when pushing weight on it – over a length of almost 28cm; widest sole heel part 9cm; widest sole front part 11cm – the upper sole boot part width itself of course slightly wider).
Is that still a perfect match with size M binding?
Is it correct that the Falcor footbed is a bit longer than the Stratas?
Thanks you sooo much your help!
All the best,
Andi
Hi Andi
Thanks for your message.
For what you’re describing, I think the Falcor should be ideal. I don’t think you’ll find them too stiff for what you’re describing and for the board your riding. The Strata might not drive the board hard enough, if it’s quite a stiff/aggressive board. And yes the 2021 model Falcor is a little softer, more forgiving than the 2022 model, from my experience with both. 7/10 flex for the 2021 model, more like 7.5/10 for the 2022 model. Strata more like 6/10 flex – so the 2021 Falcor still a bit stiffer than the Strata.
Size-wise if you’ve got US10s with those dimensions you should fit in the medium Falcor just fine.
I measured the Stata footbed longer than the Falcor footbed. Comparing the 2021 model of each, the footbed of the Falcor was 25.2cm long (medium) and the strata it was 26.2cm long (also medium). The baseplate was 22.7cm on the Falcor (angles down from the top of the footbed) compared to 24.2cm on the Strata. The 2022 Falcor was 25.5cm footbed and 23cm baseplate. So either model shorter than the Strata from my measurements.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
thank you so much for your quick answer! It helped me a lot and finally confirmed that the 2021 Falcors are the right decision.
In the meantime they have been delivered and I’m looking forward to test them.
There is just one last thing with the binding size M. It seems to be very much at the edge of perfectly fitting my boot.
It’s absolutely correct what you measured by 25.2cm for the foot bed width why I’m questioning myself: is this enough to put the desired pressure on the binding/board or would it be better to swap to an L size?
(as mentioned my boot rubber sole lenght is 30cm; rubber sole contact on flat surface/floor when pushing body weight on it is almost 28cm)
Would you finally say that size M still is the one I should go for with the toe and heel contact area overhang of each 1,5cm (fitting well my overall lightweight setup)?
On the other hand the bigger size L will perfectly fit with the little disadvantage of a heavier binding and probable to much space for an US10 boot (by the way do you have the measures of the L binding foot bed length in comparison?)
Looking forward to hearing from you:-)
Cheers,
Andi
…forgot to mention: could size M mean less dampening with the US10 boot then the L would do?
Thanks,
Andi
Hi Andi
With the overhang you’re describing, I think the M would be your best bet. 1.5cm of overhang over bindings at toe and heel is all good. I haven’t really thought about how sizing could affect dampening in that way. Can’t say for sure, but I don’t think it would have a huge impact. I would stick with the M.
Hi Nate,
once again thanks a lot for your thoughts which help me a lot!
I’m also thinking of ordering a new snowboard end of the winter season or latest next winter.
Since you now know about my desired riding preferences and my overall favorised lightweight setup is there any recommendation for a special brand and model which you can provide?
Many thanks,
Andi
Hi Andi
The lightest boards in terms of brands in my experience are typically Capita and Salomon – and Burton have a a range, some heavier and some lighter.
Given your riding style includes 180s, I’m guessing you’ll want something that’s good at setting up and landing switch. But since you also like to ride powder, you’ll want something good in powder. I’m assuming you’re just after a one board quiver, right? Assuming that, and looking at light weight options, I think the following would work well:
– Salomon Assassin Pro – since you like to ride fast, I think you’d like this better than the regular Assassin – this board is better than average in powder, but nothing amazing in powder, IMO.
– Capita Merc or Mega Merc – the Mega Merc is lighter, but stiffer more aggressive, would depend on how stiff/aggressive you wanted to go
– Jones Mountain Twin – not all Jones boards are light but this one is – I weighed the 2021 model in the 157 at 2720 grams (6lbs even). Or you could go Ultra Mountain Twin, if you wanted something more burly – and it’s a very similar weight.
If I’m overestimating how much you need the board to be good at switch, could look at more directional models, but something there would satisfy your need for light and are good all-rounders, suitable for your style or riding, IMO.
Hey Nate , hope all is well.
I have both this years union atlas and union falcor and switch them around on a Salomon assassin pro 2021. I was looking into buying the Salomon dancehaul but wasn’t sure if either of those bindings would match up properly or if it might be better to sell one of them to put something else on the dancehaul ? I’m just worried either of those might be too stiff for the dancehaul and could make it a bit twitchy . What do you think ?
Hi Michael
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the Dancehaul, so I couldn’t say for sure how it feels in terms of flex, but of it’s around 6/10 flex, like I’ve seen it suggested as, then I think you should be fine with the Atlas on it. The Falcor might make it a little twitchy. But I think the Atlas is probably going to be fine for it. I would hold on to the Atlas and put it on the Dancehaul. No guarantees, but if you do then find it twitchy, you could get something else and sell your least favorite of the Falcor and Atlas. But I’d take the chance that it’s going to work out on the Dancehaul, because there’s a good chance it will, IMO.
Hope this helps
I might be able to provide some feedback on this. Been riding an Assassin Pro and the Dancehaul this season. Bindings wise I have the Union Strata and Atlas, with Burton Ion boots. Both bindings work well for the Assassin Pro. The Atlas being the most responsive.
The Dancehaul however, is more of a medium soft flex, I found the Stratas to be the sweet spot, the Atlas felt like it was over powering the board. It’s not horrible but the Stratas definitely made for a more surfy playful ride. Hope that provides some insight.
Hi Scott
Thanks for the insight. Good to know that the Dancehaul is more suited to the softer Strata’s and sounds like it’s softer flexing than it’s rated.
Hi Nate !
I’m going to ask the eternal question : “Atlas or Falcor”. (sorry)
Here is a bit of context, I’m really into charging fast/carving and got myself a Korua cafe racer plus this year.
The experience’s been amazing up to now, but it feels like the bindings I’m currently using (Union Force) aren’t stiff enough to keep perfect control at high speeds (while the board is a *rail*).
So from the carving/charging standpoint, which of Atlas or Falcor would deliver the most in terms of precision and control ?
Hi Elpince
Thanks for your message.
The Atlas will give you a similar feel to the Force, but in a stiffer way. i.e. it has the same kind of consistent/smooth response as the Force, but it will give you more control for carves and at speed and on stiffer boards.
The Falcor has more of a springier/explosive feel versus the smoother more consistent Atlas, if that makes sense.
I would say the Falcor better for getting that really quick, springy turn in – that more explosive change of edges, but the Atlas maybe provides a little more control when you’re locked into a carve.
Both would give you more than the Force, IMO, but it kind of depends on the feel you want.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate, also struggling between falcor 2021 or atlas 2022. I ride a powfinder morris signture 164 for charging cruising and surfing any terrain. I look for the atlas or falcor to help me with heelside grip on front foot in uneven hard snow. It is probably me but which one will help me most on this issue?Specs: 90kg, 1m95, burton ion 47, front +9, back -3. Will the longer baseplate of the falcor help me? Really appreciate your help! My board is i guess comparable to korua dart but stiffer. (Really worth checking out the powfinder guys are awesome)
Hi Rutger
Thanks for your message.
I would be leaning Falcor – partly for that longer baseplate, which would be good given the width of the board and because of the flex match, given that it looks like quite a stiff board. I don’t know the board, so that’s only based on specs, but that’s what I would be leaning towards. In terms of heelside grip on front foot in uneven hard snow, hard to say for sure. The Atlas does produce a more consistent, even response compared to the Falcor, which is a more explosive/springy response.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks a lot Nate. My struggling just got saved by Rome. They are sending me new heelhoops for my targas (which were broken after 6 years, so really good service). Keep up the good work, really appreciate your reviews and dedicated response!
Hi Rutger
Thanks for the update – and awesome that they were able to get you new heel loops. Happy riding!
Hi, Nate!
Thanks for your reviews. You’re awesome!
I struggle to choose between Falcor ’22 and Atlas ’21 for my setup – Libtech Climax ’20 + 32 Focus Boa. I’m more into speed and clean carving, although still on the way to perfecting my technique.
The main differences I see are that Falcors have stiffer highback, minidisk and they use Fused Vaporlite + as a bushing. The baseplate is a bit softer also.
The Atlases have a softer highback, a full disc, Vaporlite HD as a bushing, and a slightly stiffer baseplate.
Initially, I looked at ATLAS FC, but discarded it. I’d probably felt like riding a plank that is hard to control at lower speeds, and they have poor dampening. With that amount of fibreglass/carbon in Climax, it generates a lot of vibration. After a day in the mountains, you can feel it in your ankles and knees ))
What I look for in the binding is control, better dampening and not getting a stick out of my ride. I’ll be more than grateful if you could help me summarize how these differences will affect the feeling and affect riding style.
Best, Viktor
Hi Viktor
I’d say you’ve hit all the main differences there. A few other differences, but those are the keys. Not performance related but I’d add that the Atlas has better overall adjustability. What all that translates to, in my experience is:
– The Falcor has a response that’s a little more explosive. A little springier, more lively, if that makes sense, versus the Atlas, which has a smoother, more consistent response.
– The Falcor provides better board feel – but I find that’s mostly good for ollies and buttering, so if that’s not something you care about, that factor is probably not important
– The Falcor has a little more shock absorption. It’s not world’s different by any means. But subtly better, IMO.
– The Atlas, as mentioned has better adjustability
– Overall I would say the Falcor feels stiffer. But again, they’re not worlds apart in that respect, but a little stiffer overall, by my feel.
Hope this gives you more to go off.
Thanks for the detailed answer, Nate!
That first point about Atlas and Falcor difference is just what I needed, thanks!
As I understand both bindings will handle a stiff board well.
I’m not into buttering, but, I’ll definitely dig into it, as I’m a fan of Ryan Knapton riding style (even without his elbow stunts =) ).
So probably what I’m looking for is the ability to have total control of the stiff board with a bit of freedom at the same time. I feel better when I can jump a bit to gain speed on those flatter parts. I also find that not being locked in as in the alpine rig, makes it easier to ride switch and play with directions a bit.
The minidisc will give a bit more freedom and board feeling, and it should be stiffer to maintain the ability to control the stiff board at high speed. So if my logic isn’t messed up, this leaves me with Falcors as a better choice.
But my gut feeling is telling me, that I’m getting through a lot of falling till I get used to Falcors 😬😅 With everything so stiff, finding that sweet spot in Falcors may be a challenge.
Sorry for being so nerdy, and thanks for your help, Nate 🙏🏼
Hi Viktor
Nerding out over snowboarding gear is what I do, so no need to be sorry for that!
And yeah, I think you’ve got some good logic there, and that the Falcor should work well for you. Any setup takes adjusting too – and falling just means your pushing your limits to expand them!
I’ll go get those Falcors ))
Thanks for your thoughts, Nate 🙌🏼
You’re very welcome Viktor. Happy riding!
Nate,
I am stuck between the Falcor and Altas for my Orca 159. I really want to get my first pair of Union bindings, but I cannot distiguish them enough. Which would you recommend? Thanks!
Hi Will
Thanks for your message.
Between the Falcor and Atlas, for the Orca, I think the biggest distinction is going to be the kind of response feel you want to get. The Falcor gives a more explosive, springy kind of response versus a more even/consistent response from the Atlas. Also depends on how you’re going to ride. With the Orca, I’m guessing you aren’t going to be doing anything too freestyle – like butters, presses, ollies, etc, but you might be. The Falcor are better, IMO at those aspects. They provide a better board feel for those things. Certainly you can still do things with the Atlas – and the board feel isn’t bad, but it’s just better with the Falcor. I think they both work flex-wise.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate, just curious do you rotate your highbacks and what is your forward lean setting for the falcors?
Thanks,
-Rasheed
Hi Rasheed
If bindings have the ability for highback rotation, then I do. But if they don’t, it doesn’t bother me that much. Some people won’t get bindings that you can’t rotate the highback on, but personally I can take it or leave it. But if the options there, then I do. E.g. on my old 2019 Falcor’s there’s no highback rotation (except without manipulating the heel cup adjustment), so I don’t. The 2022 model Falcor does have that option, so when I tested the 2022 model, I rotated them.
I have the highback lean set to the least amount of lean possible on them. Which from looking at them, is still a little bit of lean (don’t think they go completely flat). My preference is very little high back lean. I tend to ride with a little bit of lean – so with bindings that can go completely flat, I usually put on a little lean, but never heaps. e.g. with my Malavitas (my test bindings) – I ride them on F1 (options are F0 to F4 or maybe even F5). But everyone is different in terms of highback lean – partly personally preference and probably partly just different bodies/posture.
Great, thanks for that input.
-Rasheed
You’re very welcome Rasheed
Hello Nate,
Currently I have Lib Tech T Race pro with the bindings Union Contact. However I would like to change the bindings.
Between Union Falcor and Starta, which one is better?
Thanks
Nuno
Hi Nuno
Thanks for your message.
For the T Rice Pro, I would go Falcor. Just because I think that board responds better with stiffer bindings. The Strata would work and still be a better match to the T Rice Pro than the Contact, but the Falcor is the better flex match, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hello Nate,
Thank you for your answer. Concerning the shock absorption and comfort are similar between Falcor and Strata. I have a problem with my knee and I must to take in consideration these important points.
Thank you in advance
Nuno
Hi Nuno
Yeah very similar in terms of shock absorption and comfort, in my experience. If I had to choose, I’d say the Strata just that fraction more comfortable, particularly over the course of a long day. But also take into account if the Strata is harder work for driving the T Rice Pro, then that might be counteracted.
Hi Nate, thanks for the detailed review first! Very informative and helpful!
I’m looking for a new pair of bindings and boots for my capita mercury 2021 and have two options in mind: falcor/altas/flux cv + a relatively stiffer boots (burton ion or adidas acerra or ride lasso pro or Nitro team NTS?) or new step on system (genesis version + ion step on boots) . Which combo would you recommend? I will use them as daily set up, mostly carving and butter, not too often for park. Not sure whether the previous setting is better than the step on in performance aspect since I read your review about step on and find they are super responsive!
If you think non step on system works better, can you recommend a binding and boots for me as well? Much thanks in advance!
Hi Ben
Thanks for your message.
In terms of Step On, I found them really nice and responsive, but so are bindings like the Falcor. Also to note, that I didn’t find Step On’s great for buttering. Just having the back of the boot hooked into the binding didn’t allow for ease of sideways movement. They’re not terrible either for buttering, but given that you mention buttering, I think something like the Falcor would be a better bet in terms of getting both good response and good butterability.
I haven’t ridden the Flux CV yet, so I’m not sure about them. On paper, I think they would work well for what you’re describing. I really like the XF and XV, so I imagine they are also really nice bindings, but can’t say from personal experience.
The Atlas would certainly work, but you’re dropping a little in terms of response and butterability over the Falcor, IMO.
For boots, any of the Ion, Acerra or Lasso Pro would be a good match. Fit is the most important factor there, so the best fitting of the 3, would be the goer, IMO. I haven’t tested Nitro boots, so I can’t say anything based on experience about them.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for response! I will try flux cv + addidas acerra first, hope that’s a good fit for me.
You’re very welcome Ben. Hope the setup works for you – it sounds like a sweet combo to me!
Hi Nate,
Always love your reviews, currently looking for some new bindings to compliment my growing quiver!
Bought some Union Contact Pros last year after reading many reviews (including yours) to pair with my new Bataleon Magic Carpet, and absolutely love them. Love the flex, board feel and overall surfy feel. Ended up getting another new board near the end of the season, a Nitro Squash, and ran the Contact Pros on it to close out the season. Felt surprisingly good given the flex of the board, and could definitely continue to use the Contact Pros, but I am contemplating getting some slightly stiffer, and more importantly, more responsive bindings to match the Squash and my next potential board purchase (currently eyeing the Gnu RC C3).
Originally had my eye on the Now Pilots as I was considering giving Nows SkateTech a try, but reviews seem to be a bit iffy, especially regarding board feel, so I’m looking at other options. Given how much I’ve enjoyed the Contact Pros, the Falcors seem like they might be a good option given the mini disc. Would it be fair to say that the Falcors are almost like a slightly “beefier” Contact Pro?
To give a little background in terms of the riding I do, I don’t really ride a lot of park, but when I do it’s definitely the jump line the majority of the time, and looking to go even bigger next year (currently tapped out at the L jumps). I generally ride everything else on the resort from groomers to double blacks, and typically try to ride everything fairly aggressively. Constantly buttering, spinning, grabbing or bombing at top speed while launching off anything that looks remotely launch-able.
Just curious as to whether or not you’d recommend the Falcors for my application (riding style & board choice), and any alternatives that come to mind. Thanks in advance!
Hi Kerry
Thanks for your message.
The Falcor’s aren’t what I would exactly describe as beefier contact pros, because there are quite a few differences. There’s definitely still that board feel, but you’ve got a bit more of a locked-in feel in the straps. Stiffer straps, as well as stiffer base plate and highback. But still a binding that offers board feel, particularly for how stiff they are. Just to note that the 2022 Falcor feel a little stiffer than the 2021 and earlier models. Closer to an 8/10 or probably more like 7.5/10, but they are a little stiffer. So I think it depends on how much stiffer you wanted to go.
If you wanted to go something in the middle, then the Strata is a great option (6/10 flex). Given that you didn’t find the Contact Pro’s too bad on the Squash, I think the Strata will probably be stiff enough for you, but the Falcor’s would definitely be a good match to that board (and the RC C3) if you did want to go another step stiffer. I’d probably be leaning 2021 or earlier Falcor in terms of flex for what you’re describing, but it kind of feels how stiff you feel like you want to go. I would say the Strata would be the perfect match flex-wise to the RC C3, but still definitely work on the Squash – and visa versa, I think the Falcor would be ideal (flex-wise) on the Squash and work well on the RC C3 too. I think it depends on whether you want to err slightly softer or slightly stiffer.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for the detailed reply, sounds like I can’t go wrong either way! I somehow forgot the Strata existed in the lineup, they sound like the perfect middle ground between the Falcor & Contact Pros so I may start there!
I do have a somewhat related follow up question regarding boots. My trusty “old” K2 Darko’s are unfortunately past their expiration date (150-160+ full days of riding on them), and while I thoroughly enjoyed the feel of them (not to mentioned BOA/lace combo), I’m worried they might not be a good match to my new boards/bindings if I re-buy them. I currently have my eye on the Adidas Tactical ADV because of the response + shock absorption but am worried about dropping C$450 on boots I might not like the feel of, particularly in terms of board feel etc given my riding style. The only other boots I’ve ever ridden with were my roommates 2020 32 Light JP Walkers, and I wasn’t entirely a fan. They almost felt stiff and dead, which doesn’t make sense, but I wonder how much of that is due to me riding the progressively softer Darko’s for the entirety of my boarding career and getting too used to that loose truck feeling.
I’m currently 50/50 on whether I should just buy a new pair of Darko’s and stick with what feels good, or taking the risk/pushing myself out of my comfort zone with the stiffer Tactical ADVs. Very open to other suggestions as well, the Tactical ADVs in particular just stood out due to great reviews and the reduced footprint (I wear a US12 in the K2s and boot out if I get too low on my 159 Squash)
Hi Kerry
Yeah the Strata’s are a really nice middle ground in between the Contact Pro and Falcor.
In terms of boots. Yeah, I’d say the Darko are a little too soft to be ideal for that setup. Taking into account what you know feels good and what you’ve become used to should definitely be taken into account – and being used to something softer, maybe erring on the softer side makes sense. You could ride up to an 8/10 boot with a Squash/Strata setup, so I don’t think going with something around that 6/10 is going to be too drastic. And certainly once they break into your foot, they won’t feel as stiff/dead. The 32s you rode – part of that feel was probably the fact that they weren’t molded to your foot. Having boots for 150-160 days (good job having boots last that long, by the way!), they just become part of your foot and anything else can feel off at first, until you break them in.
I’d say the one weakness of the Tactical ADV is not the best board feel. They’re not devoid of board feel, but that cushy boost in the sole does take away some board feel. Looks like Adidas are dropping out of the snowboard boot market, which is disappointing and surprising, so it would be a matter of having to find a 2021 pair, if you did decide to go with the Tactical ADV. Apart from the board feel they are great boots. And the board feel certainly isn’t a deal breaker on them (they’re the boots I currently ride).
I felt the Darko at around 4.5/10 in terms of flex – but I’m sure yours got to feel less than that after how long you rode them!
Ideally I would go a little stiffer than that, though that flex isn’t out of the question, given a new pair of them will feel stiffer than what you’re used to. But yeah, I would strongly consider going a little stiffer. The obvious one that comes to mind for me are the K2 Ender. They have what I felt as a 6/10 flex. And since you already know you like the feel of K2 and they have that same lace/boa system as the Darko’s. The only real downside to that is that they’re still (like most K2 boots), not exactly low profile. Between the Darko and Ender I measured they had very similar outer length’s.
A similar boot, IMO, is the Dialogue Lace SJ Boa – which has a similar flex and feel to the Ender, but a little lower profile. Or you could also look at the Vans Invado Pro – it’s not a boot I’ve had the chance to test yet, but it’s in that same flex zone and same lacing system and is likely quite low profile and with good board feel, based on Vans’ other boots.
Hope this gives you some options to look at
Hi Nate,
nice site you got there and always a good read.
I’m looking for a new binding for my Ride Slackcountry from 2010 which I bought in a bundle with the Ride Revolt binding which does the job, but I think it’s time for an upgrade this upcoming season. I once rode the Ride El Hefe for a day on a K2 Turbo Dream and they really made a huge impression on me and I kept them in mind since then.
So initially I was wondering, if I should go for the El Hefe or one of it’s sucessors A-10 or C-10 and if so, which one. But after reading a couple of reviews, including yours, I could imagine the Falcor or Atlas might be the better choice. I had no problems with the stiffness of the El Hefe, but than it was just one day I rode it and maybe the Unions fit better in the long run. I would describe myself as an experienced All Mountain Freeride orientated rider, rifing for 25 years now and my actual boots are the Salomon Malamute in 11.5.
Eventhough it’s an older board, any thoughts of you would be appreciated. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work!
Cheers, Uli
Hi Uli
Thanks for your message.
The Slackcounty isn’t a board I have experience with, but based on what I could find out about it, I think something mid-stiff to stiff would be a good match – and since you liked the El-Hefe, certainly going stiffer than the Revolt (which from what I can tell of the Slackcountry are too soft for it, ideally). Something like the Falcor or Atlas would certainly match well – or the Flux XF, Burton Cartel X or Salomon Highlander. Or if you did want to go Ride, you could look at the A-8 or C-8. If you wanted to go a lot stiffer, then you could look at the C-10 or something like the Atlas FC, Flux XV, Salomon Quantum or Jones Apollo/NOW O-Drive.
I’d personally be looking at more mid-stiff than really stiff for the board, assuming the board is more mid-stiff than stiff. But going stiffer would still work, particularly if you feel you would have a preference for stiffer.
Hope this helps
Thanks a lot for your response, I will give it some thought and hopefully be able to check out some models in the upcoming season.
You’re very welcome Uli.
Hey Nate,
Thanks for all your great Reviews. I got lucky and was surprised with a Super D.o.a. (Capita) last week. Not really the point of season for it but a good point between season to get a good deal i guess.
At the moment i’m still on a mostly soft Rome Postermania with a Rome 390 Boss on top. I really loved the feel of the Postermania and its flex. Surely, the Super DOA won’t be the same feeling at all but for fast runs and a bit of more air time it will be great i guess. In your review of the Super DOA you had a Burton Malavita M on it, not sure if you got to try it out with a falcor some day?
Thru the years with the postermania under my feet i really fell in love with buttering. So I really want to try that with the Super DOA in the up coming season. In my opinion the Falcor seems to be a good compromise between edge control and board feeling without adding any crazy unnecessary stiffness to a already not super soft board.
My only problem is the highback rotation on the Falcor, which you commented with “Yes-ish”. My boots are a US13 ( EU47 / ThirtyTwo TM2). Not sure if i’m already in the size area where it gets to be not possible to have a highback alined to the edges – that’s a thing i couldn’t life and ride without. Could you say anything more about the highback rotation on the falcor?
I also looked into the Rome Katana but that’s a total different story.
Greetings from Germany/Austria!
Cheers,
Andi
Hi Andi
Thanks for your message.
Yeah I’d say you’ll likely feel the Super DOA stiffer than the Postermania (I don’t test Rome boards but looking at specs and how you describe it).
2022 Falcor has proper highback rotation now (previously you could kind of hack it using the heel cup adjustment, but it didn’t quite feel right). It’s relatively limited (2 different slots) but it’s there. But the trade-off is that the 2022 Falcor is stiffer than previous models and if you’re not looking to go too stiff, then you might find it too stiff.
The Strata does have the same kind of highback rotation now too. It’s still just the 2 slots, but there is some rotation possible there – and in terms of flex they might fit what you’re looking for better.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the interesting reviews! Reading these is my favorite winter pastime when not riding a snowboard – to the extent that I sometimes almost miss the riding opportunity 😀
Right now I’m reading these with a purpose too, though. I have a Custom X on the way and I’m trying to decide a binding to go with it. The main intention is to learn carve more aggressively than with my current boards, so that’s what the binding should also be up for.
You recommend the Falcor for boards in the 6-7/10, possibly 8/10. How about the Custom X, it being around 9/10 flex I guess? Could I still get the most out of the boards carveability, or should I go for a stiffer binding?
I’ve also read through and through your freeride binding reviews and those are on the short list as well, particularly the Atlas FC. I’m however a bit hesitant, whether that would be “too much binding” for me, whether the stiff, non-rotating highback will bite into my claves and whether it’s worth the extra dime.
One reasoning for a notch “mellower” binding is also that I could upgrade to a super-responsive binding for Customer X later on if needed and then use this one with my easier flexing boards. I understand from your review and the others that the Falcor would be pretty good for buttering, jumps etc. as well?
As options to the Falcor I also have e.g. Atlas and Cartel X EST, as well as Flux XV (though I wonder whether the lack of shock absorption would eventually be harmful to my joints).
I’m also considering the X EST and the X-base (available in Re:Flex version only), which I suppose wouldn’t quite match the responsiveness of the Atlas FC, but would be more responsive than my “mellow” options?
Any thoughts on these bindings and the direction to go for?
Hi Jussi
Thanks for your message.
I think ideally with the Custom X, going a bit stiffer is a good idea. Atlas FC, X-Base, or Flux XV would all be great options. But the Falcor is surprisingly responsive for it’s flex, so it’s certainly doable on the Custom X. The 2022 Falcor is a little stiffer than previous models too, so if you were waiting for that one, then that would be a good bet. But also to your point, that if you felt you needed to go stiffer, you could and then use the Falcor on one of your more forgiving boards, so that reduces the risk of going Falcor now. So long as your more forgiving boards aren’t super soft flexing.
I would go Falcor before I went Atlas for the Custom X. I found the Cartel X EST (which I just rode recently) to be nice and responsive, so that would certainly work too – it would be another that I would put in the same category as the Falcor – borderline too soft, but if it didn’t work you could use it on another board. However, that said, in that case it would have to be on another board with the Channel. I find Burton EST bindings to be more responsive on the channel than Burton Re:Flex too – so the Cartel X Re:Flex potentially not as suitable.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks Nate, it certainly helps!
A follow-up question on the sizing though… reading at size tables and your advice to the other riders, I seem to be one of those pretty squarely in between sizes. Would you recommend M or L for Union? How about Burton? Given your recommendations and the current store availability, it is probably going to be between those two brands this spring.
My first (and currently the only) snowboard boot is Burton Imperial 2016. The size on the boot says US 11 / UK 10 / EU 44 / CN 290 and seem pretty correct to my approx. 280 mm foot. According to your conversion table US 11 is EU 45, so there seems to be some inconsistency there with Burton’s 2016 sizing, so I don’t know whether the euro or US size is more “correct”.
Might be that I could fit into an even slightly smaller boot – though I remember having returned a step smaller pair of Imperials after walking in them for a weekend in my living room. Now after 5 seasons the paddings are probably been compacted and the boot isn’t as snug as new, but still feels like a reasonable good fit (heel hold is not perfect, but that goes with the model of the boot). Or am I just one of those who made a beginner mistake and got too big a boot?
My Custom X will be size 162W. The Burton website selector tool suggested 162 or 162W for my boot size, so I’m assuming the board won’t be too narrow for an L binding of any brand? Could it be too wide for an M – or does that even matter given that my boot is what it is?
As I’m not (yet) planning to buy a new pair of boots, the binding should be able to accommodate that size 11 Imperial (which I guess is relatively low profile). Once I eventually buy new boots, they’ll probably be one of the more responsive ones like the Driver X or the Acerra, and I’m guessing size US 10,5-11 (even 10 if I can squeeze my foot in, but perhaps unlikely?).
Hi Jussi
Thanks for your message.
Yeah sizing conversions between US and EU is always a bit strange and differs between brands. I would say that the US sizing is the most accurate there, for 2 reasons a. the mondo always lines up with US sizing – the Mondo of 290mm matches up with a US 11 (and 280mm with a US10, 285MM with US10.5 etc) and b. because Burton is a US brand.
Given that you’ve got the 162W (and I think that’s the right call with a US11 boot), I think going Large in either Union or Burton makes the most sense. Boot fit to binding-wise, I think you would be OK in both M and L for Burton, but with the wider board it’s a good idea to go with the longer baseplate on the L, particularly when it comes to Burton bindings, which don’t tend to have that long baseplates. So definitely L if you go Burton, IMO For Union, I think you’d probably squeeze into an M if you had to, but the L is the safer bet, boot-wise, and it’s going to be a good size for the board too. So definitely L for Union too, IMO.
In terms of sizing for your boots, I think you’re probably about right with the 11. My longest foot is 273mm and I fit best in a US10 (280mm mondo) Burton boot. I can ride a US10.5 (285mm Mondo) as well and that size feels good to start but packs out too much over time. So the different between my longest foot (my left foot is bigger than my right, which is 270mm) and the mondo of the boot is 7mm (10mm on my other foot). You’re difference there is 10mm, which is pretty similar. You could maybe get into the 10.5, but I don’t think you’re way off there. If you did go to Adidas for your next boots, then I would say the 10.5 at most, but the 10 could be a possibility. If you did change to Adidas and ended up in a 10, the Large bindings would still be fine for those boots, so that wouldn’t be an issues, IMO.
Thanks very much Nate!
Size it is, then. Right now I’m leaning more towards the Atlas FC, with perhaps the X-Base Re:Flex as the runner-up.
Got the board yesterday and was planning to try my old Nitros on first to study the differences (old bindings + boots & new board vs. old setup, then later old binding vs. new binding with the new board). However, the disc doesn’t appear to be channel compatible – and after some searching online and in the local stores, I wonder if there even is a channel-combatible standard disc for Nitro bindings.
Luckily I learned that there is a solid board conversion available for my Spark Surge Pro splitboard bindings and got a set of those. So now I’ll first try the Custom X with the splitboard bindings and then finally make up my mind on the new ones.
Boots will probably be the next weakest link in the chain, already going through the reviews… 🙂
You’re very welcome Jussi.
Good idea to do those comparisons. I don’t test Nitro bindings currently unfortunately, so don’t know a lot about them.
Hey Nate –
Recently got the Skeleton Key 154 on your recommendation. Absolutely loving it! Such a blast riding that board. I’ve got Burton photon boots, and have been borrowing a pair of Union Ultra’s for that board atm. Would the falcor’s be a solid choice for the SK? I’m 5’11, 160 lb. like to carve, do trees, and pow. Since I believe the Union Ultra’s are pretty stiff, would the falcor’s be a similar feel? How is that combo of SK/falcor in your opinion? Thanks man
Hi Robin
I think the Falcor would work well with the SK. Falcor’s aren’t as stiff as Ultra – certainly not in the highback anyway, maybe a little stiffer than Ultra in the baseplate, but overall they feel more forgiving than the Ultra, by my feel. But the Falcor is a very good binding for carving, whilst at the same time giving enough forgiveness so that you’re not having to battle them too much when you’re taking things slower. I think they would fit what you’re describing well and fit the SK well too.
Hi all,
I have ridden a pair of Falcor 2018 for about 100+ days.
After breaking the 3rd Falcor highbacks, I decide to switch to Team highbacks. All of those three are broken at the connection from carbon to nylon. Awesome service from Union (thru Deeluxe Austria) who sent me a spare pair but again one of those is broken…
Sick bindings but apparently not for me…
hi Nate’¡¡¡¡
Last season you recommended me a nicolas mullair 161 and it was a great decision!
I go with some union atlas bindings .. and I have very good feelings.
But according to your opinion, which do you recommend between atlas, strata and falcor?
Thanks a lot
Hi Javier
Thanks for your message and awesome that you’re still loving the Mullair (hard not to, IMO).
I think ideally the Falcor would work best with the Mullair, but the Atlas are a good match too. I think you would get a little more out of the Falcor, but it would most likely only feel like a subtle improvement, IMO.
Hope this helps
Thank you very much Nate!
Your opinion about the mullair and the exact size for me last season was very helpful. Thanks a lot.
I will try to get the union falcor and test sensations.
And what do you think about union strata and mullair?
thanks
Hi Javier
I’d probably go a little stiffer than the Strata for the Mullair personally. For reference, I feel the Strata at about a 6/10 flex, the Atlas at about 6.5/10 and the Falcor at about 7/10.
OK, thank you very much friend. you are amazing
You’re very welcome Javier. Happy riding!
Hey Nate,
Thanks a lot for your reviews. They are very interesting and helpful to read.
I’m searching for a new binding for my Amplid unw8 from last year. The falcor seems to be a good match in my opinion?!
Do you agree or have any other suggestions that will fit?
I would mostly use it as a full speed setup on Piste.
Greetz from Germany.
Tobi
Hi Tobi
Thanks for your message.
I don’t test Amplid boards so I’m not super familiar with them, but on paper, based on specs, I think the Falcor would be a good match.
Hope this helps
Hey man, I have the ‘19-‘20 falcors for my orca but just picked up a capita super doa and lib tech t rice pro and want bindings to throw on those decks for more pro riding. Thoughts on just moving my falcors from board to board or getting the team forces
Hi Ricki
Thanks for your message.
I would ride Falcors on both the Super DOA and T Rice Pro before I rode Forces on them – so if you’re happy switching the Falcors around, I would stick with the Falcors on both of those boards. The Force would work on them, but I would personally prefer to ride either of those boards with the Falcor.
Hope this helps
Hey, I have a 2020 flagship and I’m currently on some 5 year old Atlas bindings. I was looking to update to something a bit stiffer to help drive the board, but not something too stiff. I was looking at the Falcors and the Jones Mercury. Would you recommend one over the other for the flag? Is there another one I should be looking at? Thanks and happy holidays!
Hi Rob
Thanks for your message.
I’m personally a big fan of the Falcors, so that’s what I’d personally go with. I just find they have better board feel and a bit more liveliness/spring in them. Both are a little stiffer than the Atlas, without being too much stiffer. Both would work on the Flagship for sure, but I’d be leaning Falcor. The Mercury’s do have better dampening (the Falcors aren’t un-damp or anything, but the Mercury is really next level in that department) – so if you value that more than other factors, then they’d be worth a shot.
If you wanted more options, you could also check out:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
>>Top 5 Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
Do you think the flag would be even better suited to something even stiffer than the Falcors? I’m also getting an Orca, so I’m hoping for something that works well on both. I really appreciate the help and input!
P.S. between the mercury and falcor, which did you find more comfortable? Especially around the ankle strap area?
Hi Rob
I preferred the ankle strap on the Falcors versus the Mercury. Really nice ankle straps on the Falcor now – it’s undergone a couple of upgrades the last couple of years and now one of my favorite ankle straps.
Hi Rob
You certainly could go a little stiffer for the Flagship – and for the Orca. I think the Falcors/Mercury are in a good range, but going a little stiffer would also work. Given that you don’t want to go too much stiffer, I would say no more than something around 8/10 flex. But I think anything 7/10 to 8/10 flex is a good range to look at for those boards/what it sounds like your preference is.
I think I’ve settled on the Falcor! Thanks for the advice!
You’re very welcome Rob. Happy riding!
Thanks for the review! How did the size medium fit with your size 10 boots?
Hi Jordan
Thanks for your message.
I found with my test boots for last season (Salomon Lo Fi Size 10) that I maxed out the toe straps – i.e. was on the longest setting. It fit well on the longest setting, but wouldn’t go any longer in the Lo-Fi. Ankle strap still had a couple of holes to go longer. In terms of fitting on the footbed they felt fine. But the Lo-Fi’s aren’t particularly low profile. They’re not super bulky either though. So I wouldn’t go longer than a 10 in most boots, but a 10 should be OK, depending on the boot.
My previous year’s test boots were Vans Aura’s and they fit very easily into the 2019 Falcor Medium. Plenty of room to spare in all aspects. Those are a little more low profile though – both in terms of length and in terms of the height of the toe box. But I would say most 10s would be fine in the medium and some 10.5s and even some really low profile 11s. But yeah for most 10s, you shouldn’t have an issue with mediums.
Hope this helps
Thank you for the detailed response!!
You’re very welcome Jordan. Happy riding!
Hi Nate,
thanks for your reviews, they are really well done and helpful in the gear jungle!
Do you think that the Falcor is stiff enough for a board like the Slash ATV or the Jones Aviator (esp. in the highback)?
Did you notice the missing highback rotation when carving backside turns? I have never ridden a binding without highback rotation, I always took it as a given to rotate it, thats why I dont know what to make of it.
And the canted footbeds … is this even noticable when riding? I am wondering whether this might cause the knees to bend inside if this is something one is prone to.
Thanks in advance and best wishes!
Wolfgang
Hi Wolfgang
I would say they’re stiff enough for the ATV and Aviator and would be a good match for those two boards (as per my other reply). I probably wouldn’t put them on anything stiffer. Like if you had a super stiff board, then I would be looking for a stiffer binding, but for those 2 (7.5/10 and 7/10 flex respectively, from my feel), I would personally be happy to have the Falcors on them.
In terms of highback rotation, I often don’t bother even when it is an option. I do have my test bindings highback rotated, but I don’t really feel the difference. So, it’s not something that I see as a big deal. Some people are different though. I have heard from people who wouldn’t get a binding without rotation, but personally it’s not a big factor for me. But, I do get the impression it’s more of a factor for those with quite big calves, which I don’t have. I don’t have small calves either, but average sized. But if you have big calves, then it might be more necessary.
I don’t notice the canted footbeds while riding. The biggest thing with them is that they can reduce fatigue over the day. It’s pretty hard to really know how effective they are at doing that, but that’s the main thing that they’re designed to do. They’re also supposed to help with getting more pop out of a board. Again, I wouldn’t say that they conclusively do that either. I think it’s pretty subtle. But I do like having the canted footbed, just for those touted benefits, but how much of a difference it really makes is hard to say with certainty. Can definitely see your point on the knees bending inside, but don’t know if it could exacerbate that issue, if you have it. I don’t think I’m prone to it, but it’s something I certainly having noticed being a thing when riding canted footbeds. Usually it’s pretty subtle, so I don’t think it would be an issue.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
first of all thank you for your reviews, I think they’re really well done and helpful.
I have a question regarding the Mini Disc system of the Falcor. I’d like to pair it with a stiffer board like the Jones Aviator or the Slash ATV. Does the Mini Disc system hold up well on these boards or should I rather choose a binding with a regular disc, like the Atlas or look for an even stiffer binding? I’ve ridden the Strata the last two years and I really liked the board feeling of it, so I’d be happy to take the Falcor for a stiffer board.
And another question: Do you think that the Slash ATV and the Jones Aviator are comparable boards (the Aviator being a bit more playful and maybe easier in powder)? I am looking for a board with lots of camber, but if it’s a bit more on the playful side I’d appreciate that, too. I’ve ridden very stiff camber boards for most of my snowboarding “career”; right now I am on a Salomon Assassin, however, which I really like, but I have started to miss the feel of a stiffer real camber.
I had the Slash ATV in my hands recently and for some reason it did not feel good to me, although I think the specs and also the reviews sound very good. I am going to be carving mainly or ride steep terrain, but I also like to do medium size jumps and tricks like handplants or front flips over small features, but no jibbing and hardly any buttering. But for the tricks I like to do, it would be good if the board was a bit playful/forgiving, since I am not a super expert rider.
Anyways, thanks in advance!
Wolfgang
Hi Wolfgang
Thanks for your message.
I’ve never felt any issues with having a mini-disc on stiffer boards. In fact, I really like it, because it gives you a bit more board feel, there. But I prefer things not to be too stiff/planky feeling, so having that extra board feel gives a stiffer board more life, IMO. So, I think it works really well. If you want a more rigid connection with the board, then you could go for something with a regular disc, but given that you like the feel of the Strata, I think the Falcor is a great option in terms of a stiffer binding but still with that good board feel and something that would match the Aviator and ATV well.
The Aviator is, IMO, a bit more forgiving and softer flexing than the ATV. The ATV isn’t like a completely unforgiving board though. It’s quite stiff, but it’s also quite snappy for how stiff it is, if that makes sense. In terms of flex I felt the ATV at around a 7.5/10 and the Aviator at around 7/10 – so not a massive difference, but ATV just a little stiffer. Aviator a little better in powder and just that little bit more forgiving. Note that it does have a little bit of rocker in the profile, it’s not completely camber, but it’s predominantly camber. For more details on my experience with both check out:
>>Slash ATV Review
>>Jones Aviator Review
If you wanted to go a little more playful again, but still full camber you could check out something like:
>>Burton Paramount
Salomon Ultimate Ride
Niche Crux
But from what you’re describing, if you want something stiffer, then I think the ATV is a good bet.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I like your reviews and patient answers. With so munch options on the market, you guys really help lots of riders 😉
You wrote about tool-less highback lean adjustment on the Falcors. Did they put it on? I have the first edition of this binding… and,for highback lean, there is a screw in a piece of metal, with 3 positions. Maybe they went for a more contemporary solution on later models.
Indeed, Falcors work great driving boards like Capita Mercury.
However, for few of us, they have a slight downside in the ankle strap: it can cause pressure points, even on freeride boots. Probably that’s one of the reasons Union keeps changing that strap, year by year (yep, new one next year, too).
Personally, I found lots of that pressure redistributed better when I swept the original straps with Atlas ones (ordered from Union website).
I am also looking for a piece of advice.
I have this other board, a Rome MOD Rocker. And is paired with 2017 Union Travis Rice bindings. The drive well, but I feel they kind-of limit the board flex.
I’m looking for some bindings with the same power transfer, but with more board feel and allowance for the flex.
What would you say? New Falcors? Nitro Team PRO? Flux XF, can that be an option? I’m also open to any other option that ticks the boxes.
Thanks!
Hi Crizze
Thanks for your message.
I actually just finished testing the Union Falcor 2021 today (with that new ankle strap)! I found the new ankle strap really nice. But I liked the old one anyway (on the 2019 model, I didn’t ride the 2020 model). But it is an improvement, IMO.
I’m not sure about the production model, but the demo model I have still has that same highback lean adjuster. A shame really on otherwise super nice bindings, to have a non-tool-less highback lean adjuster.
I don’t test Rome boards currently, so I have no experience with the mod-rocker, but in terms of bindings that have a similar power transfer, but improved board feel, the Falcors are definitely an option. No guarantee that you would prefer the ankle strap on them, but at a guess I think you would. And certainly better board feel vs the 2017 T Rice. I don’t test Nitro bindings, so I’m not sure there. The XF certainly an option too. Maybe not the same board feel as the Falcor but pretty close. Same power transfer though, for sure. Burton Genesis X or the Salomon Highlander also worth looking at too, in that category of binding.
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate,
As always, great that we can share complementary info. It really helps.
I think I’ll go for next year’s Falcors. And their straps 😉
Untill then, as a test, I am going to move the Falcors that I have, from the Mercury to the MOD Rocker, while retaining the comfortable straps from the T.Rice. We’ll see how that goes.
If the virus doesn’t stop our trip, I’ll come back with feedback.
Ride on,
Crizze.
You’re very welcome Crizze.
Sounds like a great plan, to try out your Falcors on the mod first, with the T Rice straps and see how you get on. Looking forward to the feedback – hopefully you’re trip goes ahead!
Hey Nate,
I recently picked up a Jones Flagship demo board at a great price as an addition to my quiver for free ride charging and pow days. I’m looking at bindings and trying to decide between the falcor and flux xf bindings. Which of these do you feel will match the Flagship better or is there some third option I should be looking at?
Thanks Again,
Other Nate
Hi Nate
Both of those are great options for the Flagship and I wouldn’t say either one is better suited to the board per se. I think the main things to factor between those 2 bindings comes down to priorities for what you want. I would say that the following are the main differences between those two:
– The Falcor has better shock absorption, which is the XFs biggest weakness. If you’re not necessarily going to be catching air on that board, then that’s less of an issue – although shock absorption can be nice for chatter too
– The XF is better in terms of ankle support. The Falcor isn’t bad there, but it’s one of the stronger points for the XF and Flux bindings in general.
Some other similar bindings worth considering are the Salomon Highlander and the Burton Genesis X.
Hope this helps Nate
As always, it really helps and I appreciate it. I’m actually a huge fan of Salomon bindings and have spent a lot of time on the districts and holograms. The Highlanders look like a solid candidate. It looks like the Highlander took the place of the old defenders. Do you happen to know how much the Highlander changed from the defender’s? The defenders are going for about $200 compared to the Highlanders that are around $350, if the difference is worth $150 I’m willing to go the Highlander route but the defenders seem like the best deal I’ve found so far.
Hey Nate
Yeah the Highlander is fits in the space that the Defender left. Their certainly not the same binding though. Quite a few changes made all-round. I would say the Highlander is a good improvement over the Defender in a number of small ways. Whether it’s worth $150 better is hard to say. The main things I would say that feel improved are:
– The Highlander has slightly better board feel and slightly better shock absorption. Not sure how they get those two things simultaneously but it felt that way to me.
– The Highlander feels just that little bit better on deeper carves, but maintains maneuverability at slower speeds similar to the Defender. Technically I think the Highlander is supposed to be a little stiffer, but it felt around the same to me.
Note that this is all comparing back to a control set of bindings. I haven’t ridden them back-to-back.
I think the Highlanders are supposed to be a little lighter too.
In none of those areas is there any massive difference, but just some small improvements in a few different areas.
Nate,
I have ridden 2 days on these, with a Never Summer West and my Burton ions size 11 (4 years old). At first i noticed the heel was snug on boot it just fits in, and half way through day had awful heel pain (not on bottom but on sides of front foot). So i suspect it is from the binding having no leeway and pushing boot in. Is this something you have heard of before? I am within the window where I can return – what would you recommend? Previously i rode Burton Cartels from about 2012 with no issue.
Hi Adam
Thanks for your message. I haven’t experienced this with the Falcors, but I haven’t ridden them with Ions. And I haven’t done so with that size combo either. I ride Medium Falcors, with Vans boots. Some Burton boots are quite wide at the heel, so that might be one thing. I assume you’re riding Large Falcors?
But yeah, if you have this issue and you have ridden the same setup, but with different bindings with no issue, and you’re pretty certain it’s the bindings, then I would return. The Cartels are a safe bet, given that you’ve ridden them no issues previously – and a good match to that setup, IMO. If you did want to go a little stiffer but wanted to be sure of sizing, then the Genesis X would be a good option (all be it not that cheap an option). Or you could look at some other brands, but there’d no guarantee in terms of how they size with your Ions. For some other good options with a similar flex to the Falcor, you could check out:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
Love your site, super super helpful. I’m in need of your help if you dont mind. I’m a freerider, no park, love my blacks and trees and I just bought myself a YES PYL and I’m having trouble picking my bindings. I was going back and forth between the Union Falcors and the Stratas. Do you have any thoughts?
Thanks you!!
To add… the reason for my debate is that I heard the Falcors can be a bit unforgiving. But given my board is more to the stiff side that they might be the best option.
Hi Steve
Thanks for your messages.
I think the Falcors are the best bet for the PYL. You could certainly ride it with the Stratas, if you were really worried about the forgiveness of the Falcors. I find the Falcor’s have enough forgiveness to them – they’re not ultra unforgiving – but they can drive a board like the PYL harder, IMO. I have ridden the PYL with Burton Malavita’s and really enjoyed it – which are a similar flex to the Strata’s. So their not a no-go or anything, but I would personally match it up with the Falcor’s if it was me.
Hope this helps
Quick update, I switched to the burton Flight Attendant since the PYL wasn’t wide enough for my size 12’s.
I’m going back and forth between the Strata, Atlas and Falcor.
I’ve also just bought the Adidas Acerras, a pretty med-stiff boot. I’m mostly going to be going to Mammoth and Big Bear.
Any suggestions for the bindings on this board would be great.
Thanks!
Hi Steve
Thanks for the update. I would still go Falcor for the Flight Attendant. I think that’s the best match. But the other 2 are certainly doable, like they would have been with the PYL. But I would personally be leaning Falcor.
Hi Nate
I was gifted some falcors for christmas and am going to take them out for my first runs. My two options are a libtech orcas or yes pyl. I typically dont swap bindings so one board will be keeping bent metal transfers. I’d love your recommendation on pairing.
Jess
Hi Jesse
Thanks for your message. Apologies for the slow response – a bit behind after vacation.
Awesome gift! And a really tough choice. I think they would go well on both of those boards. I haven’t ridden the Orca, so I’m not sure on how it feels in terms of flex vs the PYL, but I imagine it’s similar, looking at specs. If so, then I would be leaning towards the Falcor on the bigger 164W PYL. But if you find the Orca stiffer than the PYL, then it might be an idea to put the Falcor on that.
Hope this helps with your decision
Got a pair for xmas, large, would you pair them with a orcas 159 or pyl 164w?
Hey Nate,
I recently bought the Falcors for the upcoming season because I was in the market for a more lightweight high quality responsive binding, and am also looking for a good board to compliment them with. I want a board that will be best suited for narrow trails/trees, because the one I have now is a little too stiff and responsive which is good for just cruising some groomed runs; and in my mind, I feel like it will be best to get a smaller more flexible board to help with uneven terrain and tight spaces to whip it around. The board I’m almost set on for these reasons is the Capita Outerspace living. I feel since the Falcors are extremely responsive, and the Outerspace Living is pretty flexible, that it would be a good balance to compliment what I’m looking for in terms of forgiveness with the flexible board, but responsive with the bindings when I need it to be. In your experience with these bindings and riding multiple boards, do you think the Falcors will compliment a board like that? If not, what other boards do you think will best suit what I’m looking for? I am currently riding an Arbor Coda Premium Camber that is a 159, which IMO is too responsive and “grabby” for winding tree trails. I’m 6’1″ 215. The size in the Outerspace Living I was looking for is a 157W to help with maneuverability in tight spaces. Also, let me know if you disagree with any of my opinions on what works best for maneuvering through winding tree trails. That is just what makes sense to me in my mind after riding through the trees with my current board many times and doing research.
Thank you,
Jonah W.
Hi Jonah
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, certainly a softer flex can give you more maneuverability, particularly at slower speeds. The same is typically the case for bindings. That said, I find the Falcors are pretty good at slower speeds for their flex.
In terms of going with stiffer bindings on a softer board, it can work depending no what you’re looking for. I usually recommend to try to match flex as much as possible, but I would always prefer to have the bindings (and boots) slightly stiffer than the board, if not matching.
With a big difference in flex, I find that if the bindings are too soft for the board, they don’t have the power to drive the board properly and if the bindings are too stiff for the board, the setup can start to feel “twitchy”, if that makes sense. I find if things are too twitchy it makes it harder to hold smooth, longer carving lines. Since the Falcor’s are, IMO, a 7/10 flex, and the OSL, IMO, a 5/10 flex – I think it will create that feeling to an extent, but they’re not miles difference in flex, and if you’re really looking to maximize your setup for tight spaces it could work.
Size-wise, for your specs, I’d usually say to go longer – more like 162-164. Again, going shorter will help with getting those tight turns in. But just note that it will also affect your stability at speed and float in powder – and if you’re looking to do long arcing turns at times, it will affect how long you can hold onto a carve too. So, I think again, if you really want to maximize that quick edge to edge transition in tight spaces, it’s doable, just note that you will be sacrificing in other areas.
Width is also important for quick edge-to-edge transitions, so making sure you don’t go too wide, without going so narrow that you end up with boot drag. What’s your boot size? That will help determine if the 157W is a good width or if you’re better off going with a regular width board.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Thanks for the reply, that makes sense.
I am only able to go off of what I have experienced so far with the board I use, and I feel like the board I am using now is not really viable for tree runs (which might be my favorite kind of runs). Whenever i see my current board flex while I am on uneven terrain in those tight spaces it just makes me cringe because of how stiff it is, so that’s why I was looking for one that is a little more playful in terms of flex and shape since the OSL kind of has both a camber/rocker profile.
My boot size is 11, and I already get a little bit of overhang on my current board, so that’s why I figure the wider width will treat me a little better especially if I am to go with a shorter length. Which speaking of length, I think you talked me into getting either the same length as my current board, or longer to help with float because I also wanted my new board to handle powder better than my current one.
I appreciate all the helpful feedback!
Hi Jonah
A bit of overhang is good. I like it so that my feet go as close to edge to edge on the board as they can (not too much inside the edges or over the edges) as it’s the feet where the leverage comes from. So a little of boot overhang is necessary for that to happen – and as long as it’s not too much, so as to cause boot drag, then it’s usually fine. The 159 Coda Camber (at least the 2020 model anyway) is 266mm at the inserts. The Capita OSL 160 (if you were to go for that size) is 256mm at the waist and roughly 265mm at the inserts. So, if you’re not having any issues with drag on the Coda Camber, then you might be OK on the 160 regular width OSL. The advantage of going narrower is that you get that extra leverage on the edges which enables faster/easier edge-to-edge transitions. If you were worried about that width though, then the 159W wouldn’t be too wide for 11s, but if you can squeeze onto the 160, then there are advantages. Of course, with the 159W you will get more float again vs the 160, as it will have more surface area overall. The OSL does have that rocker in the profile which helps with powder too, so I think in either size you would be gaining a little in terms of float – all be it somewhat negated by the fact that the OSL is a twin. But overall, size-for-size, I’d say the OSL is a little better for powder.
Another note, is going 160 on the OSL, you’re getting a very similar (actually slightly less) effective edge vs the 159 Coda Camber, so it’s probably going to feel a very similar length if not a touch shorter.
Hi Nate, i have ADIDAS TACTICAL UK 9.5.
For the Union Falcor M or L.
Sorry for my English…
Thanks
Hi Alberto
Thanks for your message. With US10s (equivalent of UK9s), I ride in M for all Union bindings (with Vans Aura boots). I still have plenty of room, so I would imagine that UK9.5s would be fine in the M. But in saying that I haven’t ridden the Tactical ADVS (or any Adidas boot) in Union bindings, so I couldn’t say for sure for them. Different boots often fit differently. I don’t think you’d have any issues with strap length at all, especially given the low profile nature of Adidas boots, it’s just whether the heel loop is wide enough.
So, I think L is the safe bet, but if I had to make a guess, I’d say you’d be fine in the M.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate. I recently bought a 2019 Jones Ultra Mountain Twin 154 (I’m 5′ 7″ approx 160 lbs) and was wondering if I should buy stiffer bindings to pair with it. I have been riding with Burton Cartels (size Small) for the past eight years or so and thought it might be time for an update, so I was looking at the Union Strata or Falcor. I’m an intermediate/advanced rider primarily into carving on groomers, powder, trees (not much interest in park). So I was wondering which of those bindings (or another binding you could recommend) would best suit the UMT. A possible issue is that I wear a size 7 Salomon Dialogue boot which might be too small for the Medium size binding on the Falcor (I don’t see a Small available), although it looks like I would be ok with the Strata size Small. Anyway, any input you have is greatly appreciated. This website is a really great resource. Thanks! – Val
Hi Val
Thanks for your message.
I would personally go at least 7/10 flex for the UMT. It’s a board I found to be quite stiff. I feel like the Strata would be too soft to be ideal. It would certainly work, but I would personally go for a slightly stiffer binding than that. Also, you wouldn’t be gaining a lot in terms of response, and wouldn’t be upping your flex at all, with the Strata vs the Cartel. So, I would be leaning more towards the Falcor, or something from the following list:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Union Falcor mediums size from 7-10, according to Union’s website, so I’d say you’d be fine fitting in the medium. I have seen some sites say 8-10. Not sure why they differ from Union, but I guess that’s a reason to be concerned. So yeah no guarantees, but I’d say you’d be fine.
But yeah anything from that list would work well, IMO, or even something from here:
>>Top 5 Freeride Bindings
If you’re worried about size, there should be something in one of those 2 that isn’t as fine a line, size-wise.
Hope this helps with your decision
Awesome. Ok I’m definitely leaning towards the Falcor. Thanks for the quick reply!
You’re very welcome Val. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hi Nate, the past couple seasons, I’ve been riding the Burton Genesis X but i picked up a pair of Falcors at the end of last season. I have a 2019 Jones Mind Expander and a 2020 Jones Flagship. Which board would you pair up with the Falcors?
Hi Casey
Thanks for your message.
I would probably put the Genesis X on the Mind Expander and the Falcor on the Flagship. Both would work on both boards, but I find the Falcor just that little bit more responsive, so will likely do a better job of driving the stiffer Flagship. The Genesis X would still work well on the Flagship, but just for that reason. The Mind Expander is an easier turning board (though the 2020 Flagship is certainly easier turning than in the past), so I’d go with the subtly less responsive Genesis X on that.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for the quick response Nate. I’ll give that a shot!
You’re very welcome Casey. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hi,
I have a Rossi One LF board . I’m thinking between Falcor and Cartel.
I am intermediate (closer to advance) and I only want to improve my carving skill. Could you tell me if you think Falcor performs better or Cartel? (I am ice coast).
Hi Ali
Thanks for your message.
Both certainly work for the Rossi One, but given that you’re looking to focus on carving and that you’re intermediate going on advanced, I think the Falcor would be the best option. It’s a bit more responsive and helps you to hold on to a carve a bit deeper/longer, IMO, so in your case I would go Falcor.
Hey Nate, thank you so much for your reviews.
I have a NS Proto 2, 157 (with a waist width of 25.2mm).
I have size 10 feet but wear a size 11 K2 and size 10.5 DC travis rice boots.
I’m looking at the falcor, burton mission, burton cartel, ride rodeo as my bindings to pair it all with.
Would the Falcor medium fit my boot? I can’t try it on (buying it all online as I’m far from shops that stock union). Would it be a good match for the Proto?
I’ve been out 10-20 times, I’m good with the heel, toe transition and I’m learning how to carve so I want more response.
Thanks.
Hi Matt
Thanks for your message.
A size 11 K2 would be pushing it to fit in the medium Falcor, I would think. Going large Falcor might be pushing it in terms of the width of the 157 PT2 – so preferable if you were to get on the medium. The 10.5 DC Travis Rice would most likely (but no guarantees) fit in the Union Medium.
The Large Cartels would fit on the board no problem, and they would be my next choice for the PT2, given that you’re looking for more response (and are a good match to the PT2 in general, IMO). Not sure that the Rodeo would give you any more response than what you’re already getting (what bindings are you currently riding?).
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hey Nate,
Thanks for your response! I contacted the shop and they tried the 10.5 DC’s on the Medium Falcors and they held in just fine.
That’s good to know about the Rodeo, I’ll narrow my search between the best deal I can find on the Falcor’s or the Cartels.
I was riding Fix High Lux’s but the straps kept coming loose so I brought them back to the store.
Thanks again! I appreciate it.
You’re very welcome Matt. Happy riding! Let me know what you go with and if you think of it at the time, how you get on on the snow.
The base on Falcor are less damps than strata? i notice the strata base is more large than falcor on same size. On strata the rubber base seems more soft than the falcor.
The contact pro have the same shock absorpion than strata or less?
Thanks
Hi RST
Thanks for your message.
Yeah I would say there is a little more shock absorption in the Strata vs the Falcor. But the Falcor still has good shock absorption/dampening though. The Contact Pro about the same as Strata.
I measured the Medium Falcor’s base plate (at the base of it) at 22.5cm on the underside. On the top of the footbed it measured 25.2cm.
I measured the Medium Strata’s base plate at 24cm on the underside and 25.8cm on the top of the footbed.
Hope this helps
Having a tough time deciding between the Union Ultra and the Falcor. Currently riding a capita Mercury 161. It says you purchased the Ultras. Why’d you choose those over the falcor?
Hi Jason
Thanks for your message.
Are you asking RST or me? Sorry a little confused over who bought the Ultras? I personally own Falcors but not Ultras.
In any case I would say go Falcor for the Mercury. I think that would be the better match for that board. The Ultras are less forgiving and the Falcor are a better better flex/feel match to the Mercury, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hey, deciding between Union Strata versus Falcor to put on a Lib Tech Orca. Seems I could go either way but I’m curious which you’d recommend pairing. Riding groomers, side hits, and tree runs mainly, Thanks a ton!
Hi Jake
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the Orca, so not sure what it is flex-wise, but going by the specs, I would say the Falcor. But Lib Tech boards, in my experience, tend to be a little softer than what the specs say, so, like you say, you could go either way. If it’s a genuine 7/10 flex, then I would say Falcor, if it’s more like 6/10 flex, then either one but maybe leaning towards the Strata in that case. How stiff do you find it – know it’s hard to put a number on it, if you don’t ride a lot of different board, but would you say it feels stiff to you, or has it got a bit of flex to it?
Hey Nate – thanks for the reply. I feel like the Orca is right on that line, feels pretty stiff but with just enough flex. I’m curious what the potential downsides would be of pairing a slightly stiffer binding (falcor) with this board versus how a binding with more flex (strata) could negatively affect riding.
Overall wondering about the pros/cons of having a stiffer binding compared to the board versus pros/cons of having a more flexing binding comparing to the board. Really appreciate your insight!
Cheers,
Jake
Hi Jake
I would say that the Falcor is around 7/10 flex. From what you’re describing the board as, I would guess that it’s a little more than medium too, if I’m reading that right – so possibly roughly about that 7/10 flex kind of feel. In which case I would say go Falcor.
Generally, I find that a softer binding on a stiffer board, it feels like the binding doesn’t transfer enough power to really drive the board. On a stiffer binding on a softer board, it can feel like the bindings are overpowering the board, and can make the board feel a little “twitchy” rather than smooth. I also like to take into account strength. I would say I have average strength legs – so for me, I prefer to have a slightly stiffer binding for a softer board, so that that power transfer is maximized (well I try to match flex for flex when possible, but if I had to go softer or stiffer in the binding, I would go slightly stiffer). But someone with a good bit of power in their legs, I would still try to match when possible, but going too much stiffer than the board could make it feel twitchy. Obviously the extent of how much stiffer or softer the binding is will make this more or less obvious. Since the Strata and Falcor aren’t that far off in either direction, this would be quite subtle, IMO, given a 6/10 or 7/10 flex with the Orca.
So, long story short, neither would be a bad choice. I would personally go Falcor, based on the specs of the flex, and how you’re describing the flex feel.
Hey! I have an orca as well but not sure which binding to put on these. Was leaning toward the Falcor but I’m afraid of those carbon highbacks breaking. How’s the durability with those? Also, I would say the orca is 6.5/10. Knowing that would you still lean Falcor? Or strata? Thanks!
Hi Rob
It’s really a tough call. between those 2. I would personally go Falcor myself. I prefer to err slightly on the stiffer side with binding compared to flex of board, but really you could ride both at that flex level. Couldn’t say for sure having not ridden the Orca, but if it was me I would choose the Falcor to match it. Not sure about durability – I don’t usually comment on that, since I don’t have gear that long. I did buy some ed-demo Falcors, which would have done a bit of time before I bought them – haven’t ridden them a lot myself yet, but with the demos they would have had plus the days I’ve put on them so far, there are no breakages so far – and no signs of any yet.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate! I’m looking into buying a whole new setup this year, narrowed it down to Capita Mercury or the Yes Typo, still deciding on the boards and it driving me crazy! But for bindings would the Falcors pair good with those boards or would something like the Atlas or Strata work better? I currently have the Atlas on my 2015 Capita board and I love that setup. I haven’t rode very many other boards so that’s why I’m in the crossroads or staying on what I know it good or adventuring out to different setups. I’m a free-ride all-mountain boarder that like shredding grooms(not as much as tree runs), pow, side hits and tree runs whenever possibly. Any suggestions on board/binding setup? Thank you!
Hi Kyle
Thanks for your message.
I would be leaning towards the Mercury for the style of riding that you’re describing. And I would go Falcors for the Mercury. Though the Atlas would also work on it too. But the Falcors a step up, IMO.
If you were to go Typo, I would pair that with the Stratas over the Falcor or Atlas. I think that would be a better match for the Typo. The Strata would also go with the Mercury but I would personally go Falcor for the Mercury.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi, with the Mind Expander better the Falcor or Strada?
Hi Francesco
Both would work based on flex (I haven’t ridden the Mind Expander, but assuming 6/10 flex is fairly accurate), but I would be leaning towards the Strata for it. But like I say I haven’t ridden the board yet, but based on specs I would go Strata, but both would certainly work, IMO.
Hope this helps
Cheers Nate,
Like your Reviews! I‘m in the market for a new Binding. In a few days I get the New YES greats in 154. I‘m 5.11 with 9.5 Boots.
Therefore I would like to have a new Binding, my old Travis Rice Union suits my Jones MTN Twin very well, but my new Board should have their own binding.
Would you recommend the Falcor for my YES greats, or should I look for a binding which isnt that responsive, beacuse the greats already have that characteristic? Maybee the Union Strata suits better in that case or any other one? I like the Unions very well…
Thanks for reply and best pow for the upcoming season.
Regards from germany
Andre
Hi Andre
Thanks for your message.
The Falcor would certainly work on the Greats. It would be a good option. But I think the Strata would be an even better match. In my books, the Greats rates around a 5/10 in terms of flex (YES rates it 7/10 but I get a softer feel from it). The Falcor rates a 7/10 flex and the Strata a 6/10 flex (IMO). Going 2 steps above flex of the board can certainly work fine and I’d rather go 2 steps stiffer than 1 step softer. But I think the Strata would be about the ideal match in terms of flex. And other than just the flex match it’s also a great binding.
But yeah, both would work, but the Strata would be my pick for the Greats (great board choice by the way – love that board!).
Hope this helps
Yeah thx man, Sounds good and makes sense. Maybee I pick the Strata, I got an offer 20% less by a Dealer here in Germany, but the Falcor is only available in Size L, so I‘m gonna pick the Strata in M for my Bootsize 9.5.
I‘m very exited but I have to wait until december for the first ride in the alps.
Thank you very much for your opinion!
All the best, André
You’re very welcome Andre.
Yeah, Strata in medium sounds like a good call to me.
If you think of it at the time, let me know what you think of your new setup, once you get a chance to ride it in December. Happy riding!
Hi friend. Firstly, to tell you that I found it to be an incredible website and that it really works and you solve the rider’s doubts. My question is the following: I want to change the board, and I had thought of the CAPA DOA 2020 for my riding style, (if you give me your opinion on this board I would also appreciate it) but I do not know what bindings to mount, my first option It is the UNION FALCOR but it does not convince me much, what would be similar in characteristics and benefits? Are FALCOR really reliable? A huge greeting from Spain.
Hi Vicente
Thanks for your message.
You can check out what I thought of the DOA at the following:
>>Capita DOA Review
Whilst the Falcor aren’t on the face of it the ideal flex match, I think they’re a good match for the DOA. I’ve enjoyed riding the DOA in the past with stiffer bindings. So, I actually think the Falcor would be a great match with the DOA. In terms of being reliable, I own some 2019 Falcor’s and haven’t had any issues with them so far (they’re not my test bindings so I haven’t ridden them that much – maybe a dozen days on them). That’s all I can really say in terms of reliability as I don’t test long enough to really comment on reliability/durability.
Hope this helps