The Top 5 Snowboards for Beginners (men’s)

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1. Eric says

   March 8, 2015 at 1:11 pm

   Snowboarding Profiles you’ve done it again – you’ve amazed me! You are my go to resource from here on out! There is nowhere else I’ve been able to find search in depth reviews.

   And once for the little the noob, the top rated board is lowest priced! Sweetness!

   Thanks again SP!

   Eric

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   • Nate says

     March 8, 2015 at 3:54 pm

     Hey Eric – thanks for the kind words and I’m glad you are getting value out of the posts. Always sweet when the top rated is the cheapest!

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2. John says

   March 8, 2015 at 2:31 pm

   Bookmarked this page for next fall! Had to defer my snowboarding education this winter to a knee injury but hoping to get started next winter…thanks for the advice on buying a beginner’s snowboard!

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   • Nate says

     March 8, 2015 at 3:57 pm

     Hey John. Thanks for visiting. you are very welcome for the advice. Hope your knee gets better as soon as possible and you can get your snowboarding going again next season. Just a quick note that late season (as in now in the northern hemisphere) and summer are typically the times you can pick up boards the cheapest as most retailers tend to have sales. But definitely understand waiting until the knee is recouped.

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3. Sylvia says

   March 8, 2015 at 8:04 pm

   Hi Nate!
   Great post, I like that you judge the snowboard on different factors.
   As a beginner, it’s hard to choose an ideal snowboard.
   I prefer the style of Ride Crook.
   I look forward for your women’s beginner boards post!

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   • Nate says

     March 9, 2015 at 5:12 pm

     Hey Sylvia – yeah I agree it’s really hard to choose a snowboard when you first start looking. There’s a heap of stuff to think about. Hopefully this is simplifying the process a little bit! I’m aiming to have the women’s top beginner snowboards post out sometime on the weekend of the 21st/22nd March (2015) so come back then if you want to check those out. Thanks for your input.

     Update: Top 5 Women’s Beginner Snowboards

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4. Kim says

   November 29, 2015 at 8:15 am

   Would you recommend either the 2015 or 2016 Rome Rocker? I can get a great price on a 2015 Rome Rocker and can’t tell that there are many differences between the two (although I admit I have very little knowledge about snowboards).

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   • Kim says

     November 29, 2015 at 8:17 am

     I mean the Rome Garage Rocker

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     • Nate says

       November 29, 2015 at 1:16 pm

       Hey Kim

       As far as I know not a lot changed between the 2015 and 2016 models. This board has been around for a good few years so it’s design is pretty established and there will be only minor tweaks. If you can get a good price on the 2015 model I’d go for that.

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5. Cameron says

   December 28, 2015 at 6:51 pm

   Hey nate,
   I am a begginer currently just moved to whistler, I like the ride crook snowboard but I was just wondering how it goes just cruising down the mountains, everywhere i look it says its a good park board but i have not yet got the skills to hit rails although i would love to if I get good enough…. Would you still recommend this board in just going down runs ?
   Thank you very much this site was so helpful
   Cam

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   • Nate says

     December 29, 2015 at 10:55 pm

     Hi Cam

     Thanks for the message.

     The Crook is great as a beginner board. It’s often the case that Beginner boards and park/freestyle boards are similar. This is because they share a lot of the same specs. E.g. softer flex is better for beginners and also better for riding in the park – a centered stance is better for park and better for beginners – a true twin shape is better for park and for beginners etc. Check out the article below to learn about the best specs for beginner boards to learn more.

     ~ Key Specs for Beginner Snowboards

     Hope this helps.

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6. Rob R says

   January 13, 2016 at 8:04 pm

   Hey Nate,
   First off, before I write a dissertation, freaking love the reviews! Making it so helpful for me to make a confident, and informed decision for my first board.

   So I have to comment since I need some guidance in picking a board.

   I’ll be snowboarding in CT (and possibly MA and VT) so East(Ice?) Coast.
   I’m 5’10/5’11 and 160-170lbs.

   I was looking at yours and some other well-known review sites and comparing everyone’s top beginner boards. Mainly you guys agree on alot of points but having some conflicting areas or boards so I can’t decide on one (I wish there was 1 board everyone picked!)

   I was leaning on going with the Rossignol Circuit until I came to your site. Some people say its the best beginner board other than tell me don’t get it because it’s too much rocker or it’s directional twin.

   I also looked at Rossignol Templar (which is still rocker friendly for a beginner, but has more camber 60:40 instead of the 80:20 of the Circuit) AND it has Magnetraction which I hear is great for the ice.
   Is it true that something like Magnetraction and catering to my specific geographic conditions is better than just general beginner board characteristics such as rocker edges, softer flex etc.

   If you know those boards could you comment how they line up with the Ride Agenda and Rome Garage Rocker.

   I am between those boards right now.
   Rossignol Circuit (supposed to be very beginner friendly – some worry about it’s twin shape)
   Rossignol Templar (Magnetraction?)
   Ride Agenda (The one I have heard the least about – only on your site)
   Rome Garage Rocker (I heard it’s somewhat of a park board, but you seem to love it for a beginner)?

   Are there any other beginner boards I’m missing? Want to make sure I pick the best board for my East coast conditions for a first timer.

   (Also, I’m leaning towards the budget ones, hence when I didnt use the Crook etc.) I can find the Circuit for 225 on sale, Agenda 225 for last years closeout model and Garage Rocker I think for 200 as well. Templar for 225 on 1-2 year model closeout (all of these new condition, through various sites like Evo, The-house)

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   • Nate says

     January 14, 2016 at 8:21 pm

     Hey Rob

     Thanks for the message and thanks for all the details. It’s great to see you’re doing your research. It’ll pay dividends. Also great that you’ve thought about conditions. That certainly plays a part.

     I don’t really know the Circuit but after looking at its specs it does sound like a great beginner board. There are only 2 things that make it not completely perfect in my book. The first is the Directional Twin shape. I’d prefer it to have a true twin shape but this really isn’t a huge deal and directional twin is the next best thing to true twin. The second is that the Circuit has a 20mm setback. I prefer to have beginners with a centered stance. But again this isn’t a deal breaker for a beginner board – and 20mm isn’t a huge setback. I would rate the Circuit a 92/100.

     The Templar is also definitely suitable as a beginner deck. Has the same minor setbacks as the Circuit – again not biggies. The other thing is that it has a sintered base. I usually mark down beginner decks for having a sintered base because beginners don’t need the extra speed of a sintered base and also because it means you’ll need to wax it more often. But it certainly doesn’t ruin it as a good beginner board. The other thing is price but if you can find it for 225 as you mention then that’s out of the equation. I’d score it an 86.5/100 at its 399 normal price but at 225 then it would be a 90.5/100.

     The Garage Rocker would definitely work as a park board. A lot (but not all) of park/freestyle decks are also suitable as beginner decks because of sharing certain things such as twin shape, softer flex, centered stance, stability (for landing jumps when it comes to riding freestyle), an extruded base and they are also usually cheaper than all-mountain and freeride boards.

     I’m not sure if you’ve been recommended a size or not yet but I would go with something around a 155cm, 156cm or 157cm (max). Based on your height and weight your all-mountian board length would be 159. But you should always go shorter when you are learning. This is also an important factor. If you decide on one of these boards but can’t find it in the right size then I’d change to one of your other choices. The length is also an important consideration.

     I know that the Agenda and Garage Rocker have a 156cm, the Circuit has a 155cm and the Templar has a 155cm.

     I think any one of those boards would be a good choice. The Templar is going to have the best edgehold so if your worried about ice then this is going to handle that the best. You can also check out my beginner snowboard catalogue page (which has the 5 boards here plus an extra 5 (+ women’s beginner boards).

     ~ Beginner Snowboard Catalogue Page

     Hope this helps and thanks for visiting

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     • Paul Walsh says

       February 25, 2017 at 7:10 pm

       I’ve been coming back to this site over and over again. I’m a newbie. And at the tender age of 43 I’m really putting myself outside my comfort zone. This particular comment got me – I’m never going to another site again. This is it. Your reviews are second to none and your responses to comments are incredible. I used to be a blogger during the early days. It’s so awesome to see a blogger with such amazing quality writing and commentary. For me a great blog can be based on the community comments as much as the author. Thank you for what you do.

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       • Nate says

         February 26, 2017 at 7:53 pm

         Hi Paul

         Thanks so much for your comments. Really appreciate it!

         And great work for getting out of your comfort zone and starting snowboarding – huge respect for that!

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7. Ricardo says

   March 21, 2016 at 6:37 am

   Hi Nate,
   I’m just entered the snowboard wordl. I’ve seen your posts about choosing the right beginer board. Looking around i’ve seen the Salomon Sight 2016 for a very good price and it has the most important requisits for beginer board (rocker-camber-rocker and a medium-soft flex). I would like to know your opinion for this board for a beginer.
   Sorry for my english, i’m from Spain.
   Thanks for this page and for your time,
   Ric

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   • Nate says

     March 21, 2016 at 11:38 am

     Hi Ricardo

     Thanks for your message. Your English is fine!

     I think that the Salomon Sight would be a really good choice as a beginner deck. It’s a directional twin rather than true twin and has a setback of -10mm but these are small considerations. These are only small things and the only reasons that this board isn’t in the top 5 above. As you pointed out the flex and camber are more important.

     If you can get this board for a good price then it’s a good buy for a beginner.

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8. Marco says

   August 6, 2016 at 12:51 pm

   Hi Nate !
   we are buying a deck, gift for our friend, he is a beginner.
   Due to a good discount we have to choose one of these decks:
   DRAKE DF3 2016 or SALOMON SIGHT 2016 or NITRO PRIME 2016.
   Your opinion will be very helpful for us…
   Thank you very much !

   Bye
   Marco

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   • Nate says

     August 7, 2016 at 10:25 am

     Hey Marco

     I don’t know Drake boards very well but with a quick look at the stats it looks like it would make a good beginner deck – same for the Nitro Prime. The Salomon Sight is also a great beginner deck – it would have made this list if it was a top 10. You can’t really go wrong with any of those boards for a beginner by the looks of it. That said I’m not that familiar with the Drake and Nitro decks.

     Size is also important. If you were able to let me know your friends rough weight and height I could recommend the best size for him – and that might narrow down your choice, depending on what sizes are available for the discount.

     Buying your friend a snowboard – now that’s what I call good friends!

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9. Marco says

   August 8, 2016 at 2:46 am

   Hi Nate, thanks a lot for your kind reply !!!!!
   He already has Burton boots 11.5 (the available boards are wide)
   He’s 180 cm. tall and his weight is 65 Kg.
   The Salomon is directional twin with camber, the Drake DF3 is flat and true twin.
   I think that tha rocker-camber-rocker of Salomon is better for learning and doing carving in the future, but I’m not sure…
   Perhaps is the same and it’s better to buy the flat and true twin Drake.

   The prices are :
   Salomon Sight 192 euro
   Drake DF3 180 euro

   Ciao
   Marco

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   • Nate says

     August 8, 2016 at 12:04 pm

     Hey Marco

     Good idea to go for a wide with those boots. In terms of length I’d say something around a 154 to 156 would be the best length for him at this stage. So hopefully there’s an option around that. The 155W Salomon Sight would be a great fit, in my opinion.

     The Sight would definitely be the better option for the likes of carving in the future. If you think he’s likely to be more of an all mountain rider. But I’d go with one of the others if there’s a better fit size-wise. That’s more important as a beginner.

     I think the Drake has a 155W and the Nitro has a 156W. I think those sizes are your best bets.

     Sight – 155W
     DF3 – 155W
     Prime – 156W

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     • Marco says

       August 8, 2016 at 5:26 pm

       The Prime is no more available…

       The Sight 155W and the DF3 155W are available.
       So, I think to buy the Sight !
       I’ve noticed that the Sight has 6 couples of holes on the nose and only 5 on the tail, why ? How to find the simmetrical position for the bindings ?
       Sorry for this noobie question…

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       • Nate says

         August 9, 2016 at 9:54 pm

         Hey Marco

         Good spotting! I only just noticed it only has 5 sets of holes at the back. The sight is designed with a small setback (10mm) so you should set it up so that it’s 10mm closer to the tail than it is to the nose.

         So you’ll need to find your stance width first. I find it’s always good to try the recommended stance of a snowboard first – which is 565mm on the Sight – which is most likely the middle set on the front holes and middle set on the back holes. Measure from center of front bindings to center of back bindings for that 565mm. If you choose a 565mm stance width, then the center of the front binding should be 497.5mm from the nose of the board and the center of the back binding should be 487.5mm from the tail.

         Hope this makes sense but let me know if you need it explained further.

         If he doesn’t like the reference stance he could find a different stance widht – for help to find your stance width, check out the link below.

         >>Choosing the best snowboard stance setup

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10. Asis says

    October 25, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Great article! I have two questions,
    1) I weight around 220lb (110kgs) and went to a store where they actually do have the Agenda, would you still recommend me the Rossignol or not because of the weight?
    2) on that store iI also saw the Raygun (k2) and Clash (Burton) for begginers…..how come they didn’t make the top 5? (just for curiosity, going to buy my first snowboard ever and want to have all the info as possible before making my final decision).

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    • Nate says

      October 25, 2016 at 3:21 pm

      Hi Asis

      Thanks for your message.

      Sizing the board correctly is probably the most important thing – so I wouldn’t recommend the Rossi District for you because it doesn’t really cater to your weight. Out of those 2 the Agenda would be the better option. The Salomon sight might come in a better size for you as well.

      The Raygun and the Clash are on the list but they just didn’t make the top 5. The Raygun didn’t make it because it’s slightly stiffer than the ideal beginner board and the Clash didn’t make it mostly because it has quite a bit of setback stance (that doesn’t make it unsuitable as a beginner board but just not as ideal as the ones on this list).

      That said, flex is also a factor of weight – so if you weight more than the recommended weight for a board, then the flex of that board is going to feel softer than what that board is labelled as. So for example the Raygun 159 is recommended for 150-210lbs and has a medium flex. At 220lbs it might make that flex feel more like a medium-soft flex – which would be better for you as a beginner.

      So I can more accurately recommend a board can you let me know your boot size and height as well and then I can get back to with what I think would be your best choice.

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      • Asis says

        October 26, 2016 at 8:46 am

        Wow, all of this is amazing! I really appreciate all the insight you are providing me and your time as well. My height is 6′ and shoe size is 13 mostly (in some brands I am 12, although I do have wide feet).

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        • Nate says

          October 26, 2016 at 1:41 pm

          You’re very welcome.

          Thanks for the extra info. For starters you’ll definitely need to go for a wide or mid-wide board. A regular width will be too narrow.

          A standard length for you (if you were an advanced rider) would be around 162cm to 164cm. However, because you are a beginner a board that long would be too difficult to ride. So you should be looking at taking at least 3cm and up to 5 or 6cm off that length. So I think that your best length range to look at for your first board is 157 to 160. But we also want to take the weight recommendations (when available of each individual board.

          Given all of that I would recommend the following boards and sizes:

          >>Ride Agenda 157W

          >>K2 Raygun 157W

          >>Rome Mechanic 157MW

          >>Slash Happy Place 159W

          I haven’t included the Clash in there just because I think it’s a bit far off in terms of weight recommendations – it would likely be fine but I think there are better options above. If you really did want the Clash then go with the 160W.

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          • Asis says

            November 7, 2016 at 8:57 am

            Nate you are the best! I like how you consider every single detail! Just one last question, lets say I would like to save some $$$, any snowboard from previous year(s) that would also be very good for beginners?

          • Nate says

            November 7, 2016 at 2:59 pm

            Hey Asis

            Any of the boards I mentioned haven’t changed a whole lot from last year’s model, so you could definitely go for any of those in a past season model. If there are any other past season models that you like the look of and like the price of, let me know what you’re looking at and I can recommend a size and also whether or not I think they’d be suitable for a beginner.

11. Tyler says

    November 19, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    Nate great list!!!

    A couple questions:

    1) I am 6 ft 4 inches. What size board should I get for my first snow board?

    2) I see some of last years models on the internet at reduced prices are the 2016 and 2017 models the same on the Ride Agenda and Yes Basic?

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    • Nate says

      November 20, 2016 at 5:45 pm

      Hi Tyler

      The YES Basic 2017 model is the same as the 2016 model and the Agenda is the same or virtually the same.

      In order to recommend a size can you also give me your weight. Your weight is the most important factor for sizing.

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12. Jay says

    November 30, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    Hi Nate

    Thank you for the great articles! It is super helpful for beginners like myself.
    I’m choosing my first set and using your guides as a base.
    Salomon Sight was one of the options I’m considering and I found it in our local SKI/Snowboard store, but 2016 model for the really good price. Few sites where I found this model basically not showing any difference, except design, but maybe I’m missing something (btw they all showing that both models have hybrid camber profile, maybe you have a typo)
    The size I found is 156 and I’m 160lb 6′ . Is it going to be good for me ?

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    • Nate says

      December 1, 2016 at 3:18 pm

      Hi Jay

      Yes that’s definitely a typo! Have fixed it now. Thanks for pointing that out.

      The 156 is a good size for you. That’s the size I would have picked for you. 2016 model is perfectly fine too. Basically the same board.

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13. Andrew says

    December 5, 2016 at 11:10 am

    Hi Nate,

    Your articles are great. I am planning on spending the ski season in Austria (Sölden) and would like some advise for buying my first snowboard. Following your article “The Best Beginner Snowboard Boots”, I am trying to decide between the Burton Moto’s size 29 (44.5 US) because they have a good rating on the reduced footprint and the Thirty Two 86FT. Any advise?

    As the snowboards I really like the Ride Agenda and Rossignol District. My weight is 170 lbs, my height is 6′ and shoe size 29 mondo.

    Could you please recommend a board and size ?

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    • Nate says

      December 6, 2016 at 2:13 pm

      Hi Andrew

      Thanks for your message.

      I think a good length range in general for you would be somewhere between 155cm and 157cm, if possible, though it does depend (somewhat) on the particular board.

      For the Agenda I would go with the 157W

      For the District I would go with 156W

      I think that the District is (only just) the better size so that might help with your decision – but it’s only just.

      Both the Motos and 86FT make great beginner boots. If you were to go with the Moto you might be able to fit onto the Agenda 156 because of that reduced footprint. No guarantees though. Your safer bet would still be the 157W for the Agenda. For the District I would stick with the 156W regardless.

      Hope this helps with your decision

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      • Andrew says

        December 7, 2016 at 3:29 am

        It does. I will go for last years (2016) Ride Agenda 157W.

        Your articles are awesome! This ought to be one of the best websites for getting info on snowboard gear. Great job!

        Could you recommend a pair of bindings?

        I was thinking maybe Union DLX, Ride EX or Ride LX. Any personal favorites?

        Thanks again for your help.

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        • Nate says

          December 7, 2016 at 2:19 pm

          Thanks Andrew!

          I never tested the Union DLX but Union are very consistent across their line and even their lower end bindings tend to be good quality – but I couldn’t say for sure for the DLX. Looking at their specs though I think they’d make decent beginner bindings.

          The Ride EX and LX are also both decent beginner bindings with the EX probably being the better beginner bindings overall but the LX being cheaper.

          If you’re looking for Union bindings and want something that’s at a really good price and also really well suited to beginners, then I’d look at the Union Flite Pros. Also check out my top 5 beginner bindings at the link below.

          >>Top 5 Men’s Beginner Snowboard Bindings

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          • Andrew says

            December 8, 2016 at 1:47 am

            Thanks Nate!

            Is it true that one of the disadvantages of the Flat to Rocker shape, is that you don’t have any spring out of the turn, no camber to give you that flex out of the turn and spring out of it?

            Not sure which shape (flat to rocker or hybrid camber) provides the best experience as a beginner wanting to progress to an intermediate level?

            Could you recommend a beginner board that fit my height (6’0), weight ( 170lbs) and shoes size (44.5 US), the salomon sight, ride agenda and rossignol district?

            Thanks in advance.

          • Nate says

            December 8, 2016 at 3:05 pm

            Hi Andrew

            Yeah you definitely get more spring out of a turn with Camber in there. Not usually something that beginners need or are looking for but if it’s something that you’re after, then the Hybrid Camber will be your better bet. In that case the Sight or the District but here are what sizes I would go for for the 3 you mentioned.

            Sight: 155W or 158W (if you were an absolute beginner maybe 155W would be best but if you’re closer to intermediate then the 158W would be fine)

            Agenda: 157W

            District: 156W (Rossi have notoriously light weight recommendations. By their recommendations you’d be on the 161W but that’s definitely too long for you at this stage.

            Hope this answers your questions

14. Andrew says

    December 9, 2016 at 12:09 am

    Hey Nate,

    Buying the right equipment and getting into snowboard as a beginner can be overwhelming. Your website is a great source of information.

    I appreciate your feedback and help. I decided to go with the Ride Agenda 157W with bindings Ride LX (it was part of snowboard set deal, €415 ) and Thirty Two 86ft boots size 29.

    Do you think I made a bad choice with the LX bindings?

    I am still able to return my purchase.

    Thanks in advance.

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    • Nate says

      December 9, 2016 at 8:16 pm

      Hi Andrew

      I would say the Ride LX will be fine for you. They aren’t on this list but they are still good as beginner bindings. I wouldn’t go to the trouble of sending them back. I think they will do the job just fine. I think that set up all round will be a good combination for progressing from a beginner to intermediate level.

      Hope you have an awesome season in Austria!

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      • Andrew says

        December 9, 2016 at 9:31 pm

        Thanks for all your support! You have made buying my first snowboard a cool experience.

        All the best!

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15. Gabriel says

    December 27, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Your article is great!! Thank you!! I am a beginner and I’m planning to buy a snowboard for take my firsts rides… I would like some advices… The rossignol district was the one I most like… but I’m in doubt beacuse of my size I’m 6’00 Height and weigh 210 pounds (95kg) and my foot size 10.5US Any advise?

    Could you please recommend a board and size ?

    Thank you for your time!

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    • Nate says

      December 28, 2016 at 12:11 pm

      Hi Gabriel

      For you I’d say a good size, generally speaking would be anything from a 157 to 159. The District 159cm would be the best size for you for the district. With size 10.5 boots you don’t need to and shouldn’t go for a wide. Anything between a 252mm and 258mm waist width would be ideal.

      You are above Rossi’s weight recommendations for that board but Rossi’s weight recommendations do tend to be on the light side.

      If you are worried about being too far above those weight recommendations, these are what I think would be good sizes on this list:

      YES Basic: 158cm

      Salomon Sight: I would say the 159 but I think the 250mm waist width is just a little bit too narrow

      Capita Horrorscope: 157cm

      Ride Agenda: 159cm

      Any of these boards would make great beginner boards for you – the only one I probably wouldn’t go for is the Salomon Sight since it doesn’t come in a size that would be appropriate for you.

      If you’d like more options you can check out my catalog of beginner snowboards at the link below.

      >>Beginner Snowboards Catalog Page

      That will give you 10 other options that would also be suitable (if they have an appropriate size for you). If you pick one of the other ones and aren’t sure on the best size, let me know and I can recommend a size.

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16. Michael says

    December 31, 2016 at 4:02 pm

    Hi Nate. Thanks so much for putting this list together. I went to South Lake Tahoe this past weekend for my first snowboarding trip and got hooked. Even though I’m very much a beginner, I’d like to buy my first board instead of renting from here on out. I’m 6.0 and 170 pounds with a size 12 boot (Just bought some K2 Maysis boots). Of your top 5 beginner snowboards, which would you recommend for me? With my shoe size, I know that I’ll have to go with a wide board.
    Thanks so much Nate. You rock!

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    • Nate says

      January 1, 2017 at 9:59 am

      Hi Michael

      Great move getting your own board – will definitely help with your progress.

      Yes you should go for a wide with size 12 boots.

      From this list I would say the following sizes would be your best bet:

      Basic: 156W
      Sight: 158W
      Horrorscope: 157
      Agenda: 157W
      District: 156W

      I think that the Agenda and the District have the best size options for you, so I would go with one of those. Any of these boards would be suitable so picking the one with the best size is your best bet. I think the sight 158W is a little bit long and the Horrorscope 157 and Basic 156W are potentially too narrow. The Agenda and the District are a good length and width for you.

      Hope this helps with your decision

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17. radu says

    January 2, 2017 at 3:50 pm

    53,104 kg.,31,5 bo0t size,absolute beginner(only ski)living in europe.Your advice for a good board?

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    • Nate says

      January 3, 2017 at 2:31 am

      Hi Radu

      Can you confirm your height and weight – I am a bit confused by the 53,104 kg. Is it 5’3″ and 104 kg or 53.104kg. If you can confirm your height/weight for me, then I can recommend a board/size for you.

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18. mili says

    January 3, 2017 at 6:50 am

    hiiiii
    my weight is 220lb and my height is 191 cm.
    i am beginner.
    i want to buy rossignol district 2017 size 161w
    i worrying about board size due to the rossignol size chart.
    please recommend me.

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    • Nate says

      January 4, 2017 at 12:41 am

      Hi Mili

      I wouldn’t always follow weight recommendations and Rossi’s recommendations are usually on the light side. However, in this case you are quite a bit over their recommendations so to play it safe, I would say that the District probably isn’t the best option.

      There isn’t much between the boards on this list so the number 1 isn’t necessarily the best for you – especially if it doesn’t come in the best size for you.

      That’s not to say a definite no to the District but I think it would be wiser to look at other options.

      I would say that the Salomon Sight 162W and the Ride Agenda 161W would be better bets. You can also check out the link below if you want to research more options.

      ~ Beginner Snowboards Ratings Catalog

      Hope this helps

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      • mili says

        January 5, 2017 at 11:08 pm

        thank you for reply.
        so i want snowboard with this specs
        1.beginner board
        2.hybrid chamber(rocker.chamber.rocker)
        3.soft or medium soft

        right??
        so please recommend me
        2015_2016_2017 board

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        • Nate says

          January 6, 2017 at 4:37 pm

          Hi Mili

          If you can find a 2015 or 2016 model of a board and get it cheap it’s often a good idea to go for them. Though it depends on the board because some boards will have changed quite a bit from year to year – but some boards will be fairly similar.

          A beginner board with a hybrid camber profile and medium-soft flex is a good choice but it’s also important that it’s a certain type of hybrid camber – if there’s too much camber or if the camber is too high, then the board can become too aggressive for beginners – so yes to Hybrid Camber but not all Hybrid Camber boards are suitable. A flat to rocker profile and certain Hybrid Rocker profiles are also good for beginners.

          From this list I’d say that the Salomon Sight 162W (Hybrid Camber) and the Ride Agenda 161W (Flat-to-rocker) are your best options.

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19. John says

    January 3, 2017 at 1:07 pm

    Nate – I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I am 5′ 7” 170 lbs and I am looking for a good beginner board that I won’t need to upgrade after a month. I am also curious what size board you recommend. I have looked at the Clash and Ripcord along with the Ride Agenda.

    Thanks

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    • Nate says

      January 4, 2017 at 2:06 am

      Hi John

      I would say that the Clash is a decent option as is the Agenda. I wouldn’t go with the Ripcord though. The YES Basic is also another great option if you’re looking for a board that can stay with you for a long time. In terms of sizing I would say:

      YES Basic: 155cm
      Ride Agenda: 156cm
      Burton Clash: 155cm
      Burton Ripcord: 154cm

      Hope this helps

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      • John says

        January 4, 2017 at 3:40 pm

        Thanks for the feedback. Between the Yes Basic and the Agenda, which one would you recommend based simply on the board? Also, what pair of bindings would match up well with a board at this level?

        Thanks

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        • Nate says

          January 6, 2017 at 12:33 pm

          Hi John

          I would recommend the YES Basic over the Agenda in terms of the board. The Agenda is slightly more ideally suited to a beginner – but not by that much really – and if you take beginner out of the equation, the Basic is a better board, IMO.

          In terms of bindings, check out the link below for some beginner binding options.

          ~ My Top 5 Beginner Bindings

          If you are looking for something high quality but also suitable for a beginner, then I would also recommend the following outside of that list (that list takes price into account also):

          ~ Union Contact Pro

          ~ Flux RII

          ~ Burton Mission
          

          ~ Ride Rodeo
          

          ~ Salomon District

          Hope this gives you some options to look at.

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20. Sander says

    January 7, 2017 at 5:22 am

    Thanks so much for this! I’ve been looking to get into snowboarding and there are just so many options. Reading this and the explanation what the difference is between the different snowboard types has helped me so much.

    Seeing as I live in Holland the stores here aren’t as experienced with their own stock. I just came back from a store where they tried to sell me a Bataleon Omni (which is a beautifull board, it just isn’t for a true beginner).

    One question though. I’m 1,87 cm and weigh 85 kg. My bootsize is 11.5 (US). How long should my board be? I’ve read somewhere between 159 and 162..Would you recommend a shorter board over a longer, for stability?

    Thanks in advance for your answer. And keep up the good work, your site is the only one I’ve read with such clear information. As we say in Holland ‘I couldn’t see the trees in the forest anymore’ There’s just so much information so it’s refreshing to read a article with all the information I needed.

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    • Nate says

      January 7, 2017 at 1:55 pm

      Hi Sander

      Thanks for your message. Glad that you are finding the site helpful. I agree that the Bataleon Omni is not suitable as a beginner board.

      In terms of size for you, I would say 158cm to 160cm as a beginner. It’s a good idea to get a slightly smaller board as a beginner because it makes it easy to maneuver the board and learn to turn. Longer length will give you more stability at speed but it sacrifices maneuverability and it will be harder to turn on.

      With 11.5US boots you want to look at something that is roughly between 257mm and 264mm waist width.

      From this list I would say your best sizes are as follows:

      Yes Basic: 159W
      Salomon Sight: 158W
      Capita Horrorscope: 157W
      Ride Agenda: 157W
      Rossignol District: not really a suitable size there IMO

      Hope this helps with your decision on sizing

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      • Sander says

        January 7, 2017 at 11:53 pm

        Hi Nate,

        Thanks for the reply!

        Too bad the Rossignol District isn’t an option, from what I’ve read on your site and the internet it is a very good beginner board. Plus I could get last year’s model really cheap. But I’m guessing my big feet won’t fit the board?

        From the other board’s I’m leaning towards the Salomon because of the price. But I’m also really liking the Yes Basic. It’s the most expensive, but from what I understand of your review it’s a board that’s not only suitable for a beginner, but also for the intermediate. Does that make a less choice for a beginner, or is the difference not really that big?

        One other question; A friend of mine gave me his Burton Mission bindings (from 2006). Reading your comments these are also suitable bindings for a beginner. Does this also apply to the bindings from 2006? Or has much changed in the last 10 years?

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        • Nate says

          January 8, 2017 at 5:28 pm

          Hi Sander

          Yeah, the only thing is that the two sizes of District that would be wide enough for your boots would be the 156W and the 161W. I think that the 156W would be a bit too short for you and the 161W would be slightly too long for you as a beginner.

          If you really want to go with the District and had to choose one of those sizes I would say the 161W but I think that’s just slightly too long.

          The YES Basic is a really good choice for beginners – the fact that it’s also good for more advanced riders doesn’t take away it’s suitability as a beginner board in this case.

          Bindings have come a long way in 10 years – but that’s not to say that they wouldn’t be suitable. I think they would do the job as long as they’re still in good condition and they’re an appropriate size for you. If you’re not sure whether they are the right size for you or not, let me know what size they are and I can give you my opinion.

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21. Victor says

    January 8, 2017 at 8:53 pm

    Hi Nate, first off great article and great responses to everyone’s questions! It’s been super helpful reading all these things. In 2004, I went to a snowboard sale and managed to get a bunch of gear but I only used it for one season. I want to get back into it and relearn and progress. I took my board to the store but they said they would recommend me to just rent because my board is way too stiff and not suitable for a beginner. I have a 2004 156cm Burton Canyon (had no clue when I bought it, just looked pretty), and also 2004 Burton Custom bindings.

    I’m 5’9 165. I was wondering if I could re-use my old bindings with a new board or do you recommend new bindings too? Regarding the old 2004 board, is there any future use to it, or has technology gotten so good that I should just sell/get rid of it?

    Thanks,
    Victor

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    • Nate says

      January 9, 2017 at 4:56 pm

      Hi Victor

      Thanks for your message.

      Just looking at the specs of the Canyon (not a board I’m familiar with) I agree that it’s too stiff for a beginner. But I disagree about renting. I think you are much better off with your own board.

      You could re-use your bindings if they are still in good condition. There have been a lot of technical advances in both boards and bindings over the last 13 years so you would get more out of new bindings – but if the Burton Customs are similar in terms of flex in the 2004 model as they are now, then they will be a suitable beginner binding.

      I think you are better off trying to sell the 2004 Canyon, if you can. If not you could always try it out again once you are more advanced – who knows it might be a fun board to experiment with. But to be honest it’s not likely to perform like modern boards do.

      In terms of size for you, based on your height/weight and the fact that you are a beginner, I would go for something that is between 153cm and 155cm.

      Hope this helps

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      • Victor says

        January 10, 2017 at 6:34 pm

        Oops, sorry if this was a double reply, but I am not sure if it went through. My friend has a 2014 Mountain Twin 157cm that he can let me borrow and I was wondering if that would be okay, or if I would just rent until I procure my own board. I missed all the sales so I’m scavenging around for a used Horrorscope or Yes Basic.

        Between the two, if I do not plan on hitting up the park, and just doing groomed/powder runs would you lean more towards the Yes Basic?

        Regarding re-using my bindings, the old 2004 bindings are pretty stiff. Your article mentioned that you should treat beginner bindings like beginner boards, and the 2016 bindings at the store were so much more soft/flexy. New bindings also means new boots as I think boot profiles are much slimmer today too is what the store said.

        Thank you again for all your help. I have a ski trip planned this weekend and all my procrastination kind of left me in this temporary set of rushed decisions.

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        • Nate says

          January 11, 2017 at 4:59 pm

          Hi Victor

          The Mountain Twin is a better board for starting out than the Burton Canyon – but I think the 157cm is a bit long for you at this point. So perhaps it’s better to rent in the meantime until you get your own board.

          The YES Basic will be more suitable for groomers once you’re passed the beginner stage – so yeah, if you’re not planning to ever progress into the park, then the Basic would be the better choice, IMO.

          Definitely beginner bindings should also not be too stiff – so if your bindings feel really stiff, then I’d get something new.

          In terms of boots – boots are definitely getting more and more low profile these days. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that they won’t fit into current bindings. If you get the opportunity you could try out the new bindings with your boots and see if they will be suitable. Assuming your boots are suitable as they are – again, for progressing from the beginner phase you don’t want your boots to be too stiff – and at any level you want to make sure they fit right.

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          • Victor says

            January 12, 2017 at 11:34 pm

            Thanks again Nate. One last question! I’m having a terribly hard time finding a Basic in stock at 155. Just to have a little more selection, would the Typo work, or is it too stiff you think for a beginner?

            Thanks,
            Victor

          • Nate says

            January 13, 2017 at 4:56 pm

            Hi Victor

            There’s a 155 at the link below (if you are in the US).

            >>YES Basic at evo

            The Typo is also a really good beginner option. Not quite as good to learn on as the Basic – but pretty close. If you can find the Typo and not the Basic, that’s certainly an option.

22. Sander says

    January 9, 2017 at 12:47 am

    Hi Nate,

    I’ve made an error with my shoesize. I have size 10, not size 11. You Americans with your difficult sizing systems 😉

    I’m still leaning towards the Yes Basic, though. I’m just worried that it’s a little harder to ride than the Rossignol, or is the difference really marginal? And how would you know that you’ve outgrown your snowboard?

    The Burton bindings are size ‘L’ which, if I look at the sizing table on the Burton website, should fit my size 10 boots.

    Thanks again for taking the time to answer these questions, I really appreciate it.

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    • Nate says

      January 9, 2017 at 5:09 pm

      Hi Sander

      In that case you could go with the District – the 159cm District would be a good size for you. Also, the sizes of the other boards will also change. So I would now say:

      Yes Basic: 158
      Salomon Sight: 159
      Capita Horrorscope: 157
      Ride Agenda: 159
      Rossignol District:159

      I’d say that the District would be easier to start out on – but only really marginally so. The YES Basic is a great beginner deck. I think you can just tell when you’ve outgrown a board. Either that or you won’t know until you try a different board and then realize it.

      US10.0s will fit a Burton Large binding so you should be fine there. I also wear US10.0s and I prefer Burton Mediums but also fit in Burton Large and that’s me being fussy!

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      • Sander says

        January 10, 2017 at 9:53 am

        OK, I’m buying the Yes Basic with Burton Moto boots!

        Thanks for the advice!!

        Reply

        • Nate says

          January 10, 2017 at 6:41 pm

          Good work! Hope you enjoy your setup and have an awesome season!

          Reply

23. Fandy says

    January 9, 2017 at 9:21 pm

    Hi Nate , you have a really good article and id like to ask some few questions. I am 176cm and 82-85kg and uses 42-43 depends on shoes. I also own a burton custom flying v 158 and a fluc nx2 gt hybrid and northwave tf3 asian fit shoes , what my concerns is that the board is a bit hard for me to initiate turns (i am still learning to link turns correctly) i am able to initiate turns but not as easily as i see people does it so i think this is not yet the correct board for me. Thus i decided to buy a new set of board that is easier for me to progress. I have been eyeing at rossignol district as it seems as the best suited for me , would you recommend me this board and if you do which size ? And what about bindings and boots ? Can i still use my old set or it is better to buy a new set ? If new , which set in particular ? Fyi i mostly do resorts , groomed runs (in resorts) will probably do others when i progress .Thanks for the input , very much appriciated.

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24. Fandy says

    January 10, 2017 at 6:55 am

    Hi i would like to also add that i owned a burton mission bindings too before i changed to flow nx2 gt hybrid, i did regret after changing as the speed entry was not speedy at all as i have to readjust the strap everytime i put my boots in after a lift ride , probably because of the boots but who knows.

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    • Nate says

      January 10, 2017 at 2:58 pm

      Hi Fandy

      First of all with the bindings. I haven’t yet taken to speed entry bindings. I like the idea of them, but they haven’t been my thing in the past. Now I haven’t tried them in a few years so they might have improved them now but I’m not sure.

      But besides that, the NX2 GTs probably aren’t the best beginner bindings as they are too stiff for beginners. If possible I would get new bindings as I think that is part of your issue. Check out the link below to get some ideas on some good beginner bindings.

      ~ My Top 5 Snowboard Bindings for Beginners

      For boots, I’m not that familiar with Northwave boots but I think the “tf3” is one of the boot liners they use, so I’m not sure which brand you have so I’m unable to comment as to whether I think they’re suitable or not.
      In terms of the board I think that a better length for you would be 155cm-156cm. It’s a good idea to size down as a beginner and it will also help you to initiate your turns more easily.

      My only thing with the District is that you would be a good bit above the weight recommendations for the 155cm (which would be your best size in that board, IMO). Whilst those weight recommendations are only guidelines, I don’t like to see people too far above or below them.

      For the other boards on this list I would say the following sizes would work:

      Ride Agenda: 156cm
      Capita Horrorscope: 155cm
      Salomon Sight: 156cm
      YES Basic: 155cm

      Hope this helps. Let me know if you want more options.

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      • Fandy says

        January 11, 2017 at 10:08 pm

        Hi Nate , thank you for the reply. What boots do you think will match beginner and the burton customs binding ? I am really leaning towards rossignol as it has the gimmick of easy turning :p , just to confirm so i take it that my size is 155 for rossignol , yes ? thanks !

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        • Nate says

          January 12, 2017 at 7:59 pm

          Hi Fandy

          Yes, 155cm would be the best size for the District for you. Just that you will be a good bit above the weight recommendations so the board will likely feel softer flexing than how it’s rated.

          Check out the link below to get some ideas for beginner boots.

          ~ My Top 7 Beginner Snowboard Boots

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          • Fandy says

            January 13, 2017 at 1:14 am

            Hi Nate , finally bought another setup. Salomon sight 156 , union contact binding and vans aura boots. Please tell me that the binding is correct as i cant find any beginner binding according to your list , the same goes with the board as this is the only board available out of all the list you have here.

            As for the boots i find that i can actually wiggle my ankle a little when i walk, i was told this is normal as for the case for soft boots, is it true ?

            Thanks!

          • Nate says

            January 13, 2017 at 5:01 pm

            Hi Fandy

            Congrats on your new gear!

            Union Contacts are certainly suitable as beginner bindings – good choice there.

            As a rule of thumb it’s good if your heel only lifts off the bottom of the boot by around 1cm at most. You can only really tell this by feel. A minimal amount of lateral movement is probably acceptable but you wouldn’t want to be able to noticeably move your feet from side to side. Certainly some movement is ok but you don’t want too much.

25. Spencer says

    January 16, 2017 at 10:04 am

    Nate, you and this article rock! Appreciate all of the insight. Just wanted to get your quick thoughts on the board size for me. I’m 5’10 and 225 with 10.5/11 boot size. Looking at the Agenda it seems my best option is either the 161W or 157W. Being a beginner should I lean towards the shorter version? Thanks for the help!

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    • Nate says

      January 16, 2017 at 12:41 pm

      Hi Spencer

      Thanks for your comments and you’re very welcome.

      I think that the 157W will be the better length for you for the Agenda as a beginner and also a better width for your boots.

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26. Victor says

    January 17, 2017 at 4:22 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Thanks for your advice. I ended up snagging what seems like the last Yes Basic 155 in the US. I called multiple stores and they all said that Yes isn’t sending any more. I just placed an order with Evo in Oregon to ship it up to me (can return it if that’s not the right board, but better to get it before it’s gone).

    I spent the weekend in Rossland, BC borrowing my friend’s Jones Mountain Twin 157cm. It’s a nice board and I ended the weekend able to carve some blues and really enjoyed going on uneven terrain and mini jumps. I would like to get more into the uneven terrain / playful jumping. Speed still scares me so I am not worried about going down the mountain the fastest, just want to go down it the funnest 🙂

    Also by the end of the weekend it hadn’t snowed at all so it was pretty rock hard, and there were a few times I went to edge basically on ice and the board just totally cut out on me and I wiped it hard. So beginner boards that edge a bit better on hard/icy terrain is nice since that’s kind of how the snow is out here in Seattle a lot of the time (at least lately).

    Would you still recommend the Yes Basic? Or might there be a better board recommendation?

    Regarding boots/bindings. They worked fine from what I can tell. I’m not sure what to expect if they’re too advanced or too stiff but I was able to work on them for 2 full days. Is there something I should look out for in terms of wanting to replace boots/bindings?

    Thank you very much for your time!

    Victor

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    • Nate says

      January 18, 2017 at 4:30 pm

      Hi Victor

      Glad to hear it sounds like you are progressing nicely!

      Mountain Twin is a really nice board so I’m not surprised you liked it. I think you will like the YES Basic as much if not more. If for no other reason than that I think it’s better in icy conditions than the Mountain Twin. The Mountain Twin is good in hard conditions but only ok in icy conditions. I would say that the YES Basic is good in icy conditions, from what I’ve experienced.

      Otherwise I think the YES Basic will serve you well and I think it’s a good choice for you. It has some similarities with the Mountain Twin too – it’s got a similar camber profile (both Hybrid Camber) so will have a similar feel. The YES Basic is a little bit softer flexing and is a true twin – and this makes it a little bit more playful and slightly better for uneven terrain (though the Mountain Twin is still good there). It’s also better for riding switch. The Mountain Twin is better in powder and better at speed – but like you say you want to get down the funnest (love that term, by the way) not the fastest – so I think the YES Basic will be even more suited to you.

      In terms of boots and bindings, if you feel you’re comfortable on your current setup there may not be a need to change but it’s hard to tell when you have nothing to compare them to. If you do want to change and want something that’s beginner suitable, check out the links below.

      Bindings

      ~ How to Choose Beginner Bindings

      ~ My Top 5 Beginner Bindings

      Boots

      ~ How to Choose Beginner Boots

      ~ My Top 5 Beginner Boots

      Hope this helps and hope you enjoy your new board – let me know how you get on once you get a chance to ride it.

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27. Rade says

    January 23, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Thanks so much for this comprehensive list. I’m 6’2″, 220lbs (but looking to be around 205 in a month) goofy-foot with a Men’s Size 11 boot. I’m definitely a beginner to intermediate. Currently I have a Kemper Revolution 163 board with traditional camber I bought back in 2010. When I first started out on the board/boots/binding I rented from the on-site shop I did great. When I got the Kemper board everything got much harder – especially the turns. Not looking to do any park, jumps or speed boarding, just would like to enjoy powder when it’s available and do a bit of carving / turns when it’s not. Would you be able to recommend a board for me? Thanks so much!

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    • Nate says

      January 24, 2017 at 3:04 pm

      Hi Rade

      Not surprised that you struggled after getting a trad camber board – very unforgiving to learn on.

      From what you describe I think the following would be good options:

      ~ Never Summer Snowtrooper 162

      ~ Jones Mountain Twin 162

      ~ Slash Brainstorm (either 159W or 163W – the 163W would be better in powder but the 159W will be easier to turn/more nimble)

      ~ Rossignol Templar 162W

      These aren’t pure beginner boards – but are pretty easy to turn on but will also perform in powder and when you want to carve. The Brainstorm and Mountain Twin are medium flexing and the Snowtrooper and Templar are medium-soft flexing.

      I think any of these would work well for you but I’d be leaning towards the Snowtrooper – just because it’s a nice easy to ride, easy going board but you can also carve on it and it rides pretty well in powder.

      For more options also check out my Top 10 All Mountain Snowboard list – I think this is the type of board you will want.

      ~ Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards

      Hope this helps

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28. André says

    January 24, 2017 at 1:50 am

    Hey Nate.

    Thanks for the update! For the Ride Agenda, do you know if the 2017 model differs from the 2016 one?

    Thank you for your time!
    André

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    • Nate says

      January 24, 2017 at 3:54 pm

      Hi André

      Very little difference, between the 2 models. The only thing, as far as I know that’s different is that I think they added their slimewall tech to the sidewalls. This essentially makes the board a little “damper” so absorbs shock better. But that’s the only thing as far as I know. Either way both are equally good as beginner boards.

      Hope this helps

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      • André says

        February 18, 2017 at 2:16 am

        Thanks! It really does.
        Cheers,
        André

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        • Nate says

          February 18, 2017 at 2:28 pm

          You’re very welcome André – hope you enjoy the rest of your season!

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29. Anne says

    January 30, 2017 at 1:27 pm

    Hi Nate! I’m looking to surprise my husband with a beginner board. He’s 5’10,175lb,sz 9 boot. Any specific recommendations for a board on icy/man-made/hard packed snow? Thanks for all your input and advice! Much appreciated!!!

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    • Nate says

      January 30, 2017 at 4:35 pm

      Hi Anne

      Awesome surprise!

      I would definitely go with the YES Basic. A great beginner and really good in hard and icy conditions. For your husband I would get him the 155cm (based on his height/weight/ability level).

      If you can’t find the Basic in the 155cm, let me know and I can think about another option that would be suitable – but if you can find that, I say go for it.

      Hope this helps.

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      • Anne says

        January 30, 2017 at 5:15 pm

        I definitely appreciate how helpful your reviews have been. It’s incredibly helpful to have your personal response to validate the right choice. Found the yes basic in 155, thank you again!!!

        Reply

        • Nate says

          January 31, 2017 at 2:39 pm

          Hey Anne

          You’re very welcome, again. Glad that you were able to find the Basic in the 155cm.

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          • Mike C says

            February 9, 2017 at 11:02 am

            I’m also looking at this board, but slightly shorter than Anne’s husband at 5′ 6″ and 130lbs with a size 9 boot. Should I be looking at a slightly shorter board (150?) and if I can’t find this board what are some alternatives? Also, I’ve seen the Burton LTR (learn to ride) boards on sale; any opinion on these boards for a beginner who will mainly spend time learning on man-made snow?

          • Nate says

            February 9, 2017 at 3:12 pm

            Hi Mike C

            In my opinion you should definitely go shorter than 155cm. I would say that something around a 145cm-146cm would be a good size for you as a beginner. The Basic does come in a 146cm, if you can find it in that size, that’s what I would recommend.

            I don’t really know much about the Burton LTR except that I think it’s a rental board. So I think you would be better off going for something else. Rental boards, in my experience, are often made to favor durability over other things.

            Let me know if you can’t find the Basic in the 146cm and I can look into some alternatives for you.

            Hope this helps

30. Jeffery says

    February 5, 2017 at 11:29 pm

    Hey Nate,
    Thank you for the review. I am completely new in the snowboarding world. And im just reading reviews on beginner boards. I see some boards out there that are on their list but not yours. I live in toronto, canada which is the east coast. Im around 173 but weigh around 90-100kg. Would the burton clash be a good board? Or what would you recommend for my conditions?

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    • Nate says

      February 6, 2017 at 4:47 pm

      Hi Jeffery

      There are certainly a number of boards that are good for beginners – and opinions differ as to which the best ones are – these are only 5 that I consider to be good beginner boards but there are more that I would recommend for beginners. For more options see the next link

      >>Beginner Snowboard Reviews Catalog Page

      In terms of the Clash, I wouldn’t recommend it for you. Whilst, I’ve never ridden East Coast, it does have a reputation for having harder conditions more often than not – and can often have icy snow. The Clash doesn’t have the best edge hold in those types of conditions.

      In terms of size, I’d say that you should look for something that’s around 155cm to 157cm. This is based on your height and weight and the fact that you are a beginner. Width is also an important factor – if you can let me know your boot size (or shoe size if you don’t have boots yet) and I can recommend a width range for you as well.

      Hope this helps

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31. ANTONIO says

    February 12, 2017 at 11:59 am

    Hello man!, Sorry for my english im spanish!

    I want ask to you 2 things, first, im totally begginer snowboarder, i had 2 class with a monitor, and i want buy mi first snowboard.

    Im a men with 1.86 cm and 89kg,and mi foot is a 45 EU(29), and i found Sight Salomon 2017 166WIDE with Custom Black Burton for 410 euros all the pack, do you recomendated to me buy this pack?

    Its oK 166w for me or i must try with another board more small like salomon pulse 162WIDE.

    I boutgh 2 weeks ago SALOMON DIALOGUE WIDE BLACK/AUTOBAHN/GREY 17

    thanks A LOT!

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    • ANTONIO says

      February 13, 2017 at 1:07 am

      I found, the SALOMON PULSE 2017 162WIDE for 210 euros, do you recomendated to me this? o need found one with 158-162 WIDE?

      Reply

      • Nate says

        February 13, 2017 at 10:46 am

        Hi Antonio

        I think the 162W would work. Probably the 160 or 158W slightly better but I think the 162W would be ok for you – also refer to my other comment from your last post.

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    • Nate says

      February 13, 2017 at 10:22 am

      Hi Antonio

      I think that the 166W will be too long for you. It will be very hard for you to ride a board that length as a beginner.

      The 162W pulse is a better size but I still think you could start on something a little shorter.

      Ideally you would start on something around 160cm.

      The Salomon Sight and the Salomon Pulse are both good beginner options but I would put you on the following sizes:

      Salomon Sight: Either 158W or 162W

      Salomon Pulse: Either 158W or 160

      I think the Pulse at 160 would be the best length for you – it is a regular width but it has a 256mm waist – assuming that you’re EUR45 boots translate to a US10.5 or 11.0 (which I think they do), then you should be fine on that width. But if you’re worried about them not being wide enough, then the 158W size will be fine and 162W would be the longest you should go.

      The Burton Custom bindings are great for beginners so I would definitely recommend them for you. But not the 166W. I think that would be too big for you and make it difficult to learn.

      Hope this helps.

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      • ANTONIO says

        February 14, 2017 at 12:31 am

        Thanks a lot!, people like you just are amazing, thanks for your help!

        I think like you, i must go for 158w, but the last question is, Salomon Sight or pulse? Both 158Wide, the diference is 50 euros, sight(250 euros), pulse (200euros)

        I prefer that i can learn fast and have board for when i increase a little more my level and dont need buy another borad.

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      • ANTONIO says

        February 14, 2017 at 12:40 am

        Sorry!. i forget put this!

        I found snowboard Burton Clash 2017 160wide, and the money isnt a prob..so

        158WIDE SALOMON SIGH
        158 W SALOMON PULSE OR
        Burton Clash 2017 160 WIDE?

        TONS OF THANKS!

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        • Nate says

          February 14, 2017 at 3:20 pm

          You’re very welcome Antonio

          If money isn’t a problem, then I’d say that either the Salomon Sight or the Burton Clash are your best options. They will take you further into your progression than the Pulse. And between those 2 I would say that the Clash 160W would be your best – only just, but I think it’s a slightly better size and it will be something that can take you to the next level. But either the Sight or the Clash would be good choices.

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32. Dmitriy says

    February 12, 2017 at 1:39 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Thank you from me as well for your absolutely fantastic website! I’d like to ask you for advice too, if you have time for me 🙂

    So, I live in Germany and I’ve looked up the prices for most of the stuff from your beginners’ list and I’m still a bit confused. The general idea is to buy a board that can last for a relatively long time (so rather beginner – advanced one), so I’m ready to invest a bit more into it, shall it make sense. I’m (rather arbitrary) deciding between the Agenda and the Yes Basic.

    Short ‘biographic’ description:
    – skill: beginner (probably upper beginner – lower intermediate, one season behind me – but a really intensive one, private lessons etc)
    – style: not decided yet. For now probably all-mountain
    – height: 175cm
    – weight: ~ 65 kg
    – shoes size: 40.5 (EU). My last rental Burton boots were however (strangely) size 10

    Below you’ll find a list with the current local (Eur) prices for the 2017 models
    ride agenda 240
    capita horrorscope 280
    yes basic 320
    burton descendant 240
    burton blunt 252
    rome artifact rocker 250
    rome mechanic 220
    rossignol retox 480
    slash happy place 320
    rome factory rocker 250
    k2 standard 230
    ride crook 280
    rossignol templar 300

    I can also pick up the 2016 Ride Agenda for appr. 200 Eur as of now.

    I would appreciate your advice enormously!
    Kind regards
    Dmitriy

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 13, 2017 at 10:42 am

      Hi Dmitriy

      Thanks for your message.

      If you’re looking for a board that will last you a long time and think that all-mountain is the way that you are heading then I think the following from that list would be good choices.

      ~ Rossignol Templar

      ~ YES Basic

      ~ K2 Standard

      But since you have a season behind you have taken lessons, you are probably pretty close to intermediate level. So I would also suggest the following:

      ~ Slash Brainstorm

      ~ Burton Custom Flying V

      ~ Burton Process Flying V

      ~ Ride Manic

      ~ YES Typo

      If you’re willing to invest a bit in your board, then maybe the Ride Agenda not so much – just because it’s a freestyle board, so if you want to ride all-mountain it won’t be as good once you’re past the beginner phase.

      Also, just out of curiosity – is someone selling the Rossi Retox for €480? That retails for USD$399 – converting that to EUR it should be more like €380 – or was the 4 a typo?

      In terms of sizing I would say something between a 152cm and 154cm would work well for you. The shorter end will make it faster to progress on and the longer end will mean that it will be better once you are more advanced – assuming you stick with that all-mountain kind of style – this is generally speaking as sizing does somewhat depend on the particular board too. If you want a sizing recommendation for a particular board, let me know which board you are considering and I can recommend what I think is the best size for you.

      Anyway, hope this helps to give you some options.

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      • Dmitriy says

        February 13, 2017 at 2:46 pm

        Hi Nate,

        Thank you for a great and detailed reply!

        First things first – the pricing in Europe can sometimes be rather strange – so that wasn’t a typo (regarding the Rossi Retox).

        So, i’ve looked up your next recommendations:
        – slash brainstorm is too expensive (not really avail)
        – BURTON PROCESS FLYING V 2ND 2017 — around 350 Eur (what does the 2nd mean?)
        – Burton Custom Flying V — around 370 Eur
        – Ride Manic 2017 — (!) around 220 Eur
        – YES Typo — around 340 Eur

        So the Ride Manic looks very lucrative at this price tag, but I’ve read the specs – and it’s a directional board, so I’m a bit uneasy about learning to ride switch (i don’t know whether my fear has any solid ground, though).

        Looking forward to your advice, thanks a lot!

        Reply

        • Dmitriy says

          February 14, 2017 at 5:00 am

          I’ve decided to go with the YES Typo (152) and K2 Lien FS (size L) – does that make sense? Also, I’m shopping for the boots now 🙂 any recommendations are enormously welcome, thank you!

          Reply

          • Nate says

            February 14, 2017 at 3:47 pm

            Hi Dmitriy

            I think that will be a great setup for you. I was leaning towards the Typo for you too. I also think the Lien FS will go well and the L size (for K2 bindings) will work. I think for most bindings you would be better on a medium but for K2s sizings, the L works.

            In terms of boots, check out the links below. I think the beginner boots list would be a good place to start but if you wanted to go a bit of a step up, then you could go to the freestyle link too – they’re stated as freestyle but they can definitely be used for all-mountain riding too – they’re just softer flexing all mountain boots than some.

            ~ My Top 7 Beginner Snowboard Boots

            ~ My Top 5 Freestyle Snowboard Boots

        • Nate says

          February 14, 2017 at 11:22 am

          Hi Dmitriy

          You’re very welcome.

          I wouldn’t say that the Manic is easy to learn switch on. It’s ok but there are definitely easier boards for switch riding – it’s directional and it’s also got a 20mm setback. The Manic is probably the lowest in terms of quality out of the boards I mentioned (which is probably partly the reason for the low price tag) but it should be fine for a beginner/intermediate rider.

          Out of those boards, in terms of riding switch, the Typo and the Process Flying V would be the easiest for switch, with the Custom Flying V in between the Manic and those two.

          The other option you could go with (sorry for giving you more options!) is an all-mountain-freestyle board. Will be very easy to ride switch but you sacrifice performance in powder generally speaking – you can definitely still ride them in powder – but they will take more effort than an all mountain board in powder, generally speaking. Some options for all-mountain-freestyle boards that are also good for beginners and at a relatively low price:

          ~ YES Basic (which was also from your list earlier)

          ~ Capita Outerspace Living

          There are certainly other options but the price goes up a bit after that. But you could also check out the following list.

          ~ My Top 5 All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards

          The other thing to save costs to try to look for a 2016 model, if you can find one.

          But yeah, if you do want a good all-mountain board that is decent in powder but also for riding switch and also easy to ride switch, then I would say the YES Typo or Burton Process Flying V. Or if you’re not too concerned about having just average powder performance but easy switch riding, then the YES Basic or Capita Outerspace Living. This is narrowing down to the less pricey options. There are other suitable options but the price starts to go up.

          Hope this helps to get your decision right.

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          • Dmitriy says

            February 14, 2017 at 12:23 pm

            Awesome, thanks.

            So what would you say to the YES Typo (size 152), k2 lien fs (size L) – for my 175 cm height, 65 kg weight (currently :D) and shoe size EU 40.5 ? 🙂

            Thank you!

          • Nate says

            February 14, 2017 at 4:05 pm

            Hey Dmitriy

            As per my other comment – I think that’s a really good setup for you. I’ve given you some links to boot options in the other comment too.

          • Dmitriy says

            February 20, 2017 at 3:23 am

            Hey Nate,

            So, my YES Typo is wating for me at hope in the box – together with the Lien FS 🙂

            However, I got a bit scared about the following issue: the YES sizing guideline https://yesnowboard.com/support/sizing-guidelines says :

            ”
            Remember; the traditionally accepted width of boards was established when the average foot size was an US 8 / MONDO 21.5 or an US 9 / MONDO 24.0. Now the bulk of boot sales are a US men’s 10 / MONDO 26.5. Which means anyone riding a regular width board with a size US 10 / MONDO 26.5 is dragging their toes. And if they’re not dragging their toes, then they’re not leaning over on their turns enough and they’re missing out on some fun.

            We at YES. encourage you to have fun when you snowboard. We want you to feel joy. Aren’t we awesome?

            In conclusion: If you have a size US 10-10.5 / MONDO 26.5-27.5 boot, then please, seriously consider a wide. If you have a size US 11 / MONDO 28.5 boot, do not ever consider anything other than a wide when looking at these “traditional” models.
            ”

            What would you say about that?

            Also, I’m a bit at a loss about the sizings, your snowboard width guide also says that 27 cm (which is the same as mondo, as far as I understand) corresponds to EU size 42 – which is strange, as I wear EU 40 – 41 and my measurements yield 26.5 – 27 cm. Anyway, this is at odds with the YES statement (US 10 – 10.5 = 26.5 – 27 mondo).

            Could you clarify this bit – and I do hope I don’t have to get a wider board 😀

            Thank you a lot!

          • Nate says

            February 20, 2017 at 5:36 pm

            Hi Dmitriy

            I’m not sure where they get their mondo figures from – everywhere else has a US 10 with a 28cm Mondo. YES don’t make boots so I’m not sure.

            In terms of the European measurements and how that converts I won’t claim I’m entirely accurate on that conversion. There is conflicting information regarding what an EU converts to in a US size – and also some brands boots are different to others in this regard. My table was using the figures that seemed the most accurate to me.

            All that said, assuming that you are in what is the equivalent of a US 9 you won’t have issues with toe drag. I have US size 10s and I’m happy on a 250mm waist (which your Typo has) and don’t drag my toes on a carve. Maybe if you’re getting right down for a euro-carve you might get it – but your average rider isn’t euro-carving!

            Basically, all said, I wouldn’t be worried about the width of your Typo – I think it will be just right for you.

            I get what they’re saying in that sizing guide (first time I’ve seen that) but there are some discrepancies there (like they’re mondo measurements) and also if this is the case I wonder why their regular width boards aren’t made wider than other brands regular width boards?

            Anyway I hope this helps and like I say I really wouldn’t be worried about this at all – your board should be about the perfect width for your boots.

33. Swampy says

    February 14, 2017 at 2:06 pm

    Hi Nate,

    I’m a beginner snowboarder, currently just learning the basics but I can’t help but think that having my own gear would help me progress, than having to cater for the difference in setup each week when hiring gear at my local snowsports centre..

    I ride goofy so either having to readjust bindings, and stance each week.. or just going with the centre stance which isn’t always ideal has caused me some pain in my feet on occasions. Not to mention different types (and length) of board from one week to the next depending on availability doesn’t help much for consistency either.. I figured if I get my own gear, then I can get it set up just right.. and that’s one constant from one week to the next.

    So I’ve been looking around for my own first setup and pretty much narrowed my choices down to the Salomon Sight or the K2 Raygun 2107. Though I’m leaning more towards the Raygun at present..

    The thing putting me off the Sight just slightly is my weight.. I’m a big guy at around 120KGs and 178cm tall. With Size 10 (UK) Feet. With the sight being soft to medium flex, and only available upto 159cms in standard width I’m not sure if it would be the right board for me?

    While the K2 Raygun, is generally stiffer I figured my weight would offset some of that stiffness potentially? It’s also available upto 162cms long which from my reading is more suited to my weight?

    Would you say there’s much wrong with my line of thinking?

    Oh and I’m looking to screw some K2 Cinch TS bindings to whichever board I go for…

    Cheers

    Reply

    • Swampy says

      February 15, 2017 at 2:23 pm

      In addition to my previous post.. I’ve just been fitted today out with some Thirty Two BOA STW Boots Size 10.5 (UK) today. Now this is going to mean that if I do go with the K2 Cinch TS Binding, I think I’d have to go with Size XL…

      Now I’m not sure if this is going to mean I’ll need to go with a wide board…

      Reply

      • Nate says

        February 15, 2017 at 4:39 pm

        Hi Stompy

        I think your line of thinking is pretty good, to be honest.

        You’re right that if your weight is over the weight recommendations for a board that it will soften the feeling of the flex of that board. So I do often recommend beginners who above the weight recommendations to go a step up in flex to medium – because it will actually feel like a medium soft to you.

        I think that the Raygun would be a good choice. Everything about the board is suited for a beginner except that it has a medium flex – which is ok but not ideal for a beginner. However, I think the Raygun would feel more like a medium-soft in the size that I would recommend.

        I think you will need to go wide and I think the 160W (265mm waist) would be a good size for you. I think lengthwise anything from 160-162cm is good for you and with UK10.5s the 161 would be too narrow.

        Having your own gear is great for a number of reasons – but you’ve pointed out perhaps the most important reason – consistency of gear and consistency in sizing everytime you ride. It’s a big advantage.

        And yeah for the K2 Cinch TS bindings your best size would be the XL. You may or may not get into the Ls but it’s not worth the risk.

        Hope this answers your questions and helps with your decision

        Reply

        • Swampy says

          February 16, 2017 at 4:33 pm

          Hi Nate,

          Thanks for the detailed reply.. it’s great to know I’m am actually absorbing the stuff I’m being told and hearing that I’m generally making the right choices..

          Sadly for me though, my local supplier has sold out of.. well pretty much all wides other than the 157W in the Raygun.. so I’m going to have to trawl a few websites and stuff (or wait and hope they get some more in stock). There was a nice discount deal going on at present on the boards/binding packages too… no surprises they’ve been flying off the shelves then.. and all for 0.5 cms worth of comfort on my boots lol!

          Thanks again for the pointers.. you site has been a great resource for this learner!

          Cheers,
          Swampy

          Reply

          • Nate says

            February 17, 2017 at 3:50 pm

            You’re very welcome Swampy. Hope you can find something in stock soon.

34. Vito says

    February 17, 2017 at 1:46 am

    Hi Nate,

    I am a beginner snowboarder. The last time I went snowboarding was 7 years ago and I spent a total of 12 days on the snow. I had started linking turns, but wasn’t of course that great.

    I have just recently started practicing again at the snow dome and on Dendix at the local dry slope. My first lesson was with a rental board, completely rocker and 151 in length and I had little problems making wide linked turns. I then went to the mountains and due to the icy/rocky conditions and the narrow usable portion of the slopes, I was very afraid of turning on my toes and picking up speed.

    I would like to concentrate on my technique and practice at my own pace and I was wondering if my current snowboard is an ok option, or if it would be better to get something else. I am 5″ 9.3′ (176 cm) tall and 150 lbs and I own a 2009 K2 Darkstar 155 (The Good Wood Award winner). It is a standard camber board, I would say medium soft and it has a sintered base. Should I stick with this and practice more at the local dry slope since there is more friction and the board is slower than on real snow, or should I get something easier to maneuver like the Yes Basic, maybe slightly shorter as well?

    Thanks a lot.

    Vito

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 17, 2017 at 4:12 pm

      Hi Vito

      Thanks for your message.

      Traditional camber boards aren’t the easiest to learn on – they can be very catchy if your technique isn’t that good yet. I mean all boards used to be that way and people figured it out – but there are better options now. It takes longer to progress and longer to get your confidence if you start on an all camber board (IMO).

      The 155cm isn’t too long for you – but ideally as a beginner I’d prefer to see you on something like a 152cm or 153cm give or take.

      The medium-soft aspect of the Darkstar is good for beginners but I think all that Camber will make it a slow learner.

      You could stick it out on the Darkstar but personally I would get something easier to ride – I think you’ll gave more fun, you’ll progress faster and your confidence will increase at a faster rate. And yeah taking off a couple of centimeters in length won’t hurt either.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • John says

        February 17, 2017 at 10:15 pm

        Nate,
        Great write up. Thanks for all the insight. Here is a curve ball for you. I am tipping the scales at a healthy 200lbs and just hit 45years old. No crazy tricks for this guy, just cruising with the kiddos. With that in mind I was focusing on the RIde and Yes that you identified in your post. Any further recommendations between the two based on my age and build? FWIW I have a good bit of experience on skis and wakeboard. North east riding in the states so conditions are usually hard pack or ice.
        Thanks again
        John

        Reply

        • John says

          February 18, 2017 at 7:04 am

          One more thing, neither my skiing or wakeboard experience seem to help me whatsoever with snowboarding..lousy and sore, but determined!
          John

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          • Nate says

            February 18, 2017 at 2:48 pm

            🙂 Don’t be ashamed to get padded shorts – I did after breaking my tail bone overshooting the landing on a jump – and they’re nice to have even just for confidence if nothing else – and if you’re in icy conditions even little falls can be painful.

        • Nate says

          February 18, 2017 at 2:27 pm

          Hi John

          If I was you I would go for the YES Basic. Just because it is better in icy conditions than the Agenda. It’s the best in those conditions on this list.

          In terms of size I am thinking the 158cm just based on weight alone. But height is a factor in length too. So if you could let me know your height and also your boot size (if you don’t have boots yet, then your foot length or shoe size will be ok). With this I can give you a more accurate size recommendation.

          Another good beginner suitable board option for those conditions is the GNU Carbon Credit – I can also recommend you a size for that once I get that extra info.

          Hope this helps

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35. John says

    February 18, 2017 at 8:52 pm

    Nate,
    Thanks for the reply.
    Done, rear end pads added to the list!
    I’m 5’9” and wear a 10.5-11 shoe size. (I don’t know how they sized me at the rental shop). Hope that helps.
    If you have any others recommendations, please let me know.
    Thanks again!
    John

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    • Nate says

      February 19, 2017 at 1:55 pm

      Hi John

      Thanks for the extra info. I think something between a 155 and 158 would be a good length. In terms of width I wouldn’t want to go narrower than a 254mm waist at this point, not knowing if you will have 10.5 or 11.0 boots. If 10.5 then you could get down to a 252mm waist but I wouldn’t risk that at this stage. But you also don’t want to go too wide – so no more than a 260-261mm waist either.

      Keeping all that in mind and your height weight specs:

      ~ YES Basic 156W (259mm waist)

      ~ GNU Carbon Credit 156 (254mm waist) – the 156W is quite wide probably a bit too wide for you. You could go up to the 159 but that would be potentially too long – would certainly make it more difficult to ride than the 156.

      Some other options (good on ice, good for beginners/intermediate level) would be the following:

      ~ Niche Aether 156cm (258mm waist)

      ~ Rossignol Templar Magtek 156W (259mm waist)

      ~ YES Typo 156W (259mm waist)

      Hope this gives you some good options.

      Reply

      • John says

        February 19, 2017 at 8:35 pm

        Nate,
        What can I say other than thank you for your time. I really appreciate it. Coming in cold to the snowboard gig, I don’t know where to turn first.
        I am guessing the Wide boards are better for accommodating my weight while keeping it on the short side that will make it easier to maneuver for a rookie like me…right? It’s unlikely I would be able to ride any of these before I buy it. Thanks for the options! I’ll try to some research of my own before I buy. By the way, what’s us with the Aether wiggly sides?

        Thanks for all the help! I will let you how it goes.
        John

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        • Nate says

          February 20, 2017 at 5:07 pm

          You’re very welcome John.

          Going for the wider options is mostly to do with foot-size. Ideally you want your toes to be at the edge of the board and your heels to be right on the edge of the board (this is your feet) naturally that will mean that your boots overhang the edges of the board a little bit. But we don’t want them to overhang too much or you risk toe or heel drag (which will likely cause you to wipe out!).

          The widths that I am suggesting is trying to make it so that the boards aren’t too narrow for you (which would lead to excessive overhang) but also aren’t too wide – if the board is too wide then it becomes physically quite hard to initiate a turn and makes turns slower. That extra width does add stability but we want to strike a balance between stability and maneuverability.

          Your length is a factor of your height, weight, ability level and (if you’re more advanced) your style of riding. That’s the basis behind my size recommendations. But you are correct that if you were to go wider then shortening up the ride would make up for lost maneuverability of the extra width. But in your case the widths of these boards should be a good fit with your foot length – so you don’t need to make up for lost maneuverability.

          The slightly shorter length is mostly to do with being a beginner. It’s easier to ride a shorter board so it’s a good idea to take off a couple of centimeters when you’re starting out.

          The wiggly edges on the Aether is what’s called “magne-traction” or their version of it. What this is is basically like a serrated edge and what it does is adds extra contact points to the edges for better grip in hard/icy conditions. A lot of boards use this or something similar – but it’s not as obvious in the pictures. For some reason it’s more obvious in the images of the Niche boards that have it.

          Look forward to hearing what you go with

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          • John says

            February 24, 2017 at 7:59 pm

            Nate,
            Here is an update. I head into the local shop and as you may expect, they have a limited selection of boards and even less boots. One pair that seemed to fit. size 11. The salesman was going on about the reduced footprint. Should this impact my board choice… or should I continue to focus on the wide boards?
            The Yes Typo seemed to be sold out everywhere but I did find a Niche Aether.
            Thanks Nate in advance for your advice!

          • Nate says

            February 25, 2017 at 4:45 pm

            Hi John

            Even with the low profile boots I think that the boards we looked at are still appropriate. What we looked at were more mid-wide in terms of width. That said, with low profile boots you should be able to get onto something narrower if you needed to – but it doesn’t change your foot size which is what is really important for maximum width. We don’t want your maximum width to be too wide for your feet and we don’t want your minimum width to be too narrow for your boots. So what those low profilers do is stretch your minimum – so you can go narrower but you don’t have too. Your maximum stays where it is. Hope that makes sense.

            I would say that your new minimum is around 252mm but your maximum would stay around that 260mm mark.

            Anyway, I think the Niche Aether is a good pick. I also find that Niche boards, which are designed to be a little wider, tend to feel narrower than they actually are (not sure how they do that but that’s certainly the way they feel to ride, IMO).

            Hope this helps.

          • John says

            March 6, 2017 at 7:56 pm

            Nate,
            Update.
            I made it back out this weekend. Much better experience. I was linking turns and really enjoying the day. Also paying close attention to the rental equipment. I manages to rent a new pair of size 11 Burton boots. Standing straight up, my toes were crunched. Once in the right position they felt good.
            They put me on a 150 Burton and it was rather hard to turn. I really had to swing my hips into each cut. I switched things up to a 155 wide, also a Burton but a little newer and the turning was actually easier. Also on my falls with the 150, my toes were getting jammed because they were over the edge of the board more than an inch.
            Typical hard and icy day in the east. I am heading to check out the local dealers who carry a few brands Never Summer being one. Do you have any beginner board recommendations with that manufacturer.

          • Nate says

            March 7, 2017 at 11:42 am

            Hi John.

            In terms of the boots I wouldn’t say having them crunched when standing normally is ideal – you will be wearing them when not in riding position at times. They should be touching the ends but you also want to be able to walk in them and eat lunch etc. But if it wasn’t uncomfortable outside of riding position then that’s fine.

            150 is definitely too small for you – and the waist on a shorter board is usually narrower too – so that board would have also been way too narrow for you (as it sounds like you experienced).

            As far as Never Summer goes I wouldn’t say that the Snowtrooper would be the best beginner board option – and the best size for you for that board would be the 157X.

          • John says

            March 17, 2017 at 9:55 am

            Nate,
            At the risk our wearing out my welcome…here I go.
            Based on your reviews, I picked up a pair of zx-500 boots (size 11) with the reduced footprint and they feel great. Thank you!

            Now on to the board. The vendors in the expanded area have the following available boards.
            Capita DOA 156
            Niche Aether 153 (on line)
            Yes Typo 155 and 158

            None of these are a perfect match or true wide boards. I’d appreciate your order of recommendation based on prior posts.
            200lbs, 5’9″, and actually improving pretty well for East Coast conditions.

            They also have a set of Rodeo bindings in Large for a discounted price.

            Thanks for all your time and prior responses, they have served me very well so far…particularly the butt pad!

            John

          • Nate says

            March 17, 2017 at 2:36 pm

            Hi John

            You are still very welcome. Glad you are getting good use out of the butt pad. I was very thankful for mine this morning when I wiped out off a box in the park!

            In terms of those 3 boards I would probably be leaning towards the Aether and the Typo – for two reasons. The main one being that the DOA is quite an aggressive board and would be a little bit too advanced at this stage, IMO. The other reason being that the Aether and Typo are better in hard/icy conditions. And I think the Typo is the best bet there. The main reason is that I think that the 153cm Aether is probably getting a little bit too short. The 156cm Aether I would have said go for that.

            So I think the Typo is the way to go. Great edge-hold in hard and icy conditions and a board that is suitable for beginners but also for more advanced riders once you progress. I would say go for the 155 length at this stage. This does only have a 251mm waist width and usually I would say that this is too narrow for size 11s. However, the reduced footprint on Adidas boots is best in the business at the moment (even better on the 2017 models if you got one of those) so I would say you have the outersole of a size 10. I ride with a size 10 and I find that kind of width is fine and I ride boards with similar widths regularly without issue.

            You could go 158cm too but I think that on balance the 155 is the slightly better size for you, especially if you’re just going to be cruising with the kids – as it sounds like it from a previous comment. The 158cm would be better at speed and have more float in powder but it would also be a steeper learning curve and wouldn’t be as easy to slow down and cruise with (it’s a fairly cruisey board anyway so you still could but just not quite as well).

            I think Ride Rodeos would work well with your set up and Large is the appropriate size for you.

            Hope this helps with your decision

36. Roger says

    February 25, 2017 at 8:03 am

    Hi! i’m Roger from Barcelona(Spain) . I need some tips for my buying.
    My specs: Height 1.74cm, 63kg without equipment, 43/44 shoe (10 US)
    I’m beginner, I only ride 4 times. I like the equipment style groomer, to go fast and carving, sometimes little jumps and powder (This is the idea) And have the same equipment for years, and don’t need to change next season or next next season, if is possible 🙂

    I like the ride agenda, but with your chart to search the table size, my perfect size are 155cm,if I’m begginer 3 or 5cm off.

    The result is the 152cm ride agenda, but searching on the official website, I insert all heigh, weight,boots and say my ideal board 159 agenda.

    Your confirm my 1st size (152) or you thing another for me?

    I look for complete the equipment the union flite pro bindings and boots (Vans hi standard (more bigger than moto) or burton moto) depent the windth of the table,no? IF is too thin, is better 156 or 153W?

    the windth on riding what change or feeling?

    Thanks a lot, and you see correct the all package o you select another bindings/boots?

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    • Nate says

      February 26, 2017 at 9:08 am

      Hi Roger

      I think personally that the 152cm will be the best size for you as a beginner. You could try the 159cm if you wanted but I think that would be a very difficult board to ride at your weight. I think even as an advanced rider that would be too long for you – unless it was a specialist powder board.

      I don’t know why the Ride finder comes back with a 159. The only thing I can think of is that the finder deems the 152cm as being too narrow for your boots. The 249mm waist width would be borderline too narrow. I think you could get away with it – but to be on the safe side you could definitely go 153W – that would be way better than the 159, IMO.

      If you really want something longer, then the 156cm would be the very longest I would go if I was you.

      Long story short:

      If you go for the Burton Moto (smaller outersole) then I think the 152cm is the best option. You could also go for the 156cm. In my opinion, the 156 would be harder to learn on – but it would be better in powder and for stability at speed – it might be more suitable in a couple of years – the trade off is that you will progress slower.

      If you go for the Vans Hi Standard boots (not as small an outersole as the Motos) then I think the 153W would be the best size.

      The width of the 153W will change the feeling somewhat but it will be fine for you boot size. It will give a bit more stability underfoot but can reduce edge-to-edge speed.

      In terms of bindings there’s nothing wrong with going for a package – I guess it just depends on the bindings that are part of the package. Union Flite pros are great beginner bindings and will last you for a good while, IMO.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Roger says

        February 26, 2017 at 1:18 pm

        Thanks for your reply!

        The Ride finder only go down in size if I put 56kg, if put down boots or height no change, only with this weight go to 152 board.

        I like the 152 idea with Burton Moto boots, but You think no problem with it?

        I thing 249 waist and 280mm (feet without boot) +1cm for the boot ( I think). 290cm (feet and boot) – 249mm = 41mm = 4,1 cm

        Is 2cm per side, i read your post about board size/boots and you tell the best is 1 cm per side.

        The problem in spain is difficult to find the ride agenda, and I need to see in andorra, and 1 shop with the two size (152 and 153w) is more difficult haha.

        I thinki to buy first burton moto, later bindings size M (Correct) and later with the two things go to the shops haha 🙂

        Thanks a lot, i believe in you

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        • Nate says

          February 27, 2017 at 10:16 am

          Hi Roger

          Yeah I’m not entirely convinced about their finder tool – the size doesn’t adjust for different ability levels. I stuck advanced in there and it comes back with the same size. It also doesn’t account for where you like to ride – powder, groomers, park. When I put park in there it comes back with different boards but the same size as groomers and powder and powder the same as groomers. If I put the height down, it doesn’t adjust. And the weight, like you say, has to go all the way down to 56kg to change – and if you put in 59kg it doesn’t even come back with an Agenda option – not the 156? What weight would you have to be for the 156cm?

          Anyway, that’s not important.

          In terms of width, 2cm per side is actually perfectly fine. Somewhere between 1cm per side and 2cm per side is ideal.

          You could certainly buy the boots and bindings first and take them in to check them on the board if you wanted. This would give you more certainty.

          For Burton Moto 10s I agree that M is the best size for Burton bindings. But if you go with a different brand of bindings it could be either M or L. Check out the post below for the different brands binding sizings.

          >>Snowboard Binding Sizing

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          • Roger says

            February 28, 2017 at 11:42 am

            Perfect.

            I read Side cut radius, and I understand, tha top plate is little thin than down plate, With this have a little more mm to play with boot, right?

            If waist is 149mm, the down plate is possible 150or152 depend the dge , correct?

            And the cm for side (about boots) is with down plate reference, no?

            Thanks, and I have a clear concept

          • Nate says

            March 1, 2017 at 2:50 pm

            Hi Roger

            If I’m understanding you correctly your saying that the width on the topsheet (top plate) of the board is narrower than it is on the base (down plate) of the board – this is correct. And yes centimeters per side is in reference to the width on the base (down plate). But the waist width measurement is also taken from the base of the board.

          • Roger says

            February 28, 2017 at 11:48 am

            I see the ride agenda 2017 152 for 280€ and yes basic 2017 319e

          • Nate says

            March 1, 2017 at 2:53 pm

            In terms of learning on I think the Ride Agenda is slightly ahead but not by much – but in terms of overall quality of board I think that the Basic is a bit better.

            So, if you were willing to pay a little extra, then the Basic is a good option, IMO.

37. Roger says

    April 3, 2017 at 7:54 am

    Hi again Nate!

    I ride some days with the agenda, and all good, I learn a lot. Then i look a litlle defect in my board, and is possible the sho change for other o retunr the money.

    I learn to link toe turns and heel turns in blue/red tracks(not try full red tracks) I move good.

    Then one day with a powder night, the tracks are powded, and with the pass of ski people and other, make bumps. In this conditions Is hard to ride, a lot of power on muscles to ride, I try setback, more stance, diferents angles, but I need a lot of power, and with 2 rides, i need to relax.

    This is for the board or is normal?

    IN this point, I think in another better board, yes basic?

    My preferences is groomed tracks, and make some little/medium jumps, carving and run in powder.

    What board recomend?

    Thanks a lot

    Reply

    • Nate says

      April 3, 2017 at 4:57 pm

      Hi Roger

      When it comes to uneven bumpy terrain, like you’re describing it’s usually a combination of the snowboard and the technique.

      Some snowboards are better at tackling uneven terrain than others, for sure, but without the right technique on uneven terrain you will also have trouble there.

      There is a more advanced snowboarding technique called “down un-weighted turns”. These types of turns are better for bumpy terrain. Your best bet to learn them is by taking a lesson and asking a snowboard instructor to teach you but you could also look it up on the internet at first if you want but it will be more effective to actually have someone show you this.

      But if you are able to exchange boards and want something that is better in uneven terrain, I think that the YES Basic is better in uneven conditions. So changing boards will help – but if you really want to navigate those types of conditions effectively you’ll also need to work on technique too.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Roger says

        April 14, 2017 at 3:36 pm

        Thanks Nate,
        I stay 3 days of pure snowboard with the ride agenda, i try red tracks, i learn alot, link toe and hell edges, and fun.
        Only problems, in a red track with a lot of level and hard snow, if i make link heel to toe, the deck slide a lot, not hold anything.
        And the other, in red track tih less level at full speed is to scary, a lot of movements, is any moment is possible die.

        THe board now is in the shop. Wait for the company to change or done a solution.

        I like a lot and i think learn a lot. And I see all your categories, now i think in the all mountain freestyle category. But i read all.

        If the rating are the same for all categories and boards, and f the speed when more high, more stable.

        For me in this moment, the important are speed( go fast and stable, without think in die) and hold in hard snow/icy. And i like to learn carving and some freestyle basics, jump, pop, butter and little jibing.

        I select this:

        Yes Greats:

        FACTOR RATING (OUT OF 5) CONTRIBUTION TO FINAL SCORE
        Switch: 5.0 20/20
        Jumps: 5.0 20/20
        Jibbing: 3.0 6/10
        Carving: 4.0 8/10
        Powder: 2.5 5/10
        Speed: 4.0 8/10
        Uneven Terrain: 4.0 8/10
        Pipe: 4.5 9/10
        TOTAL after normalizing

        Speed 4 and uneven terrain: 4, good carving, and little powder.

        What you think? and whitch size, i have us 10 moto burton.

        I need change the bindings??

        thanks, and sorry for large story

        Reply

        • Roger says

          April 15, 2017 at 10:50 am

          Sorry: In this comment
          “And the other, in red track with less level at full speed is to scary, a lot of movements, is any moment is possible die.”

          Is mid day or late day, when the track are so bumpy for skiers/snoboarders

          The other option is go to yes basic/typo 152? are cheaper, but i dont know if with speed are scary.

          Reply

          • Nate says

            April 18, 2017 at 1:31 pm

            I would say that the Typo and the Basic are better in icy snow than the Greats but the Greats is better at speed.

        • Nate says

          April 18, 2017 at 1:29 pm

          Hi Roger

          Sorry for the late response – I have had a super busy weekend demoing snowboards and then took Monday off for my fiancée’s birthday.

          I think the YES Greats would be a good choice. The best size would be the 152cm. It has a 247mm waist width, which is bordering on being too narrow for you. But I think you would just get away with that width. Normally I would say to not go narrower than around 250mm for a size 10 but with Burton’s boots (good reduced footprint technology) I would say you can get away with being a little bit narrower. You could go up to the 154cm board as well if you felt like you wanted something a little bit longer.

          You could upgrade the bindings too – at some stage you will probably want to but you could keep them for now as well. The Flite Pros have a medium-soft flex (like you’re agenda had) and the YES Greats has a medium flex. So it’s a little bit stiffer. Whilst I think it’s a good idea to try to match flex roughly, I think their not too different flex-wise so I think you will be ok to start with – you can always upgrade later.

          Reply

          • Roger says

            April 19, 2017 at 2:06 am

            No problem, you need to disconect 😊.

            And the low cost boards from yes, yes basic yes typo and yes jackpot, i read the good ride stadistics, and are to similar.

            Basic more flex, typo, little set back and little more hard in flex, but is possible to put centered to park. And jackpot change the underbite to middlebite, and say is more for freestyle but is stable, and same rate speed/ carve /icy.

            I think are tooo similar, a softer flex, maybe better 154?

            In the store have jackpot 154, basic 155 and the greats 156

            If is the typo, i buy the next year and little more expensive.

            Too much information and too much boards hahaha

          • Nate says

            April 19, 2017 at 4:55 pm

            Hi Roger

            Yeah there are a lot to choose from these days for sure!

            I think you could go a little longer in the Jackpot and the Basic (154cm and 155cm) but I wouldn’t go as long as 156cm for the Greats for you.

38. Chris says

    April 20, 2017 at 12:42 pm

    Hi Nate, what board would you recommend for me. I’m 6’2”, about 97kg and take a good 11-12USA shoe size. Was obviously thinking a wide board but am more stumped on the length really – Been told everything from 160-170 in a few shops. I’ve never snow boarded before but really want to learn on something that helps, not hinders me. Cheers Chris

    Reply

    • Nate says

      April 20, 2017 at 2:50 pm

      Hi Chris

      I definitely wouldn’t go as long as 170cm! One day you might be able to handle a board that big but as a beginner that would be very difficult to ride. I would say that anything from a 160cm to 162cm would be a good range to look at for you.

      Length is a really important aspect, especially when you’re starting out. Riding on a board too long can make progress really slow. You also don’t want to go too short for your size but I think that would be a good range to start on.

      Other things about the board can also make it easier and harder for a beginner. Things such as the camber profile and the flex of the board have a big bearing too.

      Width-wise, assuming you get on a 11.5 snowboard boot, I would look at something that has a waist width no narrower than 258mm and no wider than 265mm. If you got in an 11 you could go a bit narrower and if you end up in a 12 then probably no narrower than 260mm is a safer bet.

      Anyway, from this list I think the following would be great options for you.

      – Salomon Sight 162W
      – Ride Agenda 161W
      – Rossignol District 161W

      If you wanted further options also check out the following:

      ~ More Beginner Snowboard Options

      Hope this helps

      Reply

39. Alex says

    April 29, 2017 at 2:47 am

    Hi Nate,

    I’m 5’9″, weigh around 145lb and need size 10 boots, total beginner, went snowboarding once with a friend and used his Ride Helix. It went well all things considered and now I want to buy my own gear for next season (can probably hit the slopes every other week for a day or two). I actually really liked the Helix and was considering getting that, do you think it would be a horrible beginner board?
    Also, what length board would suit me? I’m thinking 152-155.

    Thanks

    Reply

    • Nate says

      April 29, 2017 at 9:47 am

      Hi Alex

      Thanks for your message.

      I wouldn’t say definitely no to the Helix but I think there are better boards that you could start out on. The Helix is quite aggressive and has more camber than I would recommend for a beginner and it’s a bit stiffer than I would recommend for a beginner. It wouldn’t be the worst board you could start on but also not the best, IMO.

      In terms of size I wouldn’t go as long as 155cm yet – for your specs and because you are just starting out. I think 151 to 153 would be a good range to look at. It’s a bit different depending on the board but generally speaking that’s the range I would look at if I was you. If you did decide to go with the Helix, then the 151cm would be the best bet for you, IMO.

      In terms of width for size 10s – anything in the range of 249mm and 255mm would work well in terms of waist width of the board.

      If you are looking at something all mountain freestyle like the Helix but want something a bit less aggressive, then you could check out the Capita Outerspace Living or one of the boards on the list at the link below.

      >>My Top All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards

      I think the Outerspace Living or the YES Basic would be the best options out of those. I think for the Outerspace Living you could go up to the 154cm (and I think the shorter boards would be too narrow for you as well) and the YES Basic the 152cm would be a good size for you.

      But also the boards on this list are all good options for starting out. If you feel like you want to go ride because you liked the feel of the Helix, then the Agenda could work well. The 152cm would be my pick for you.

      Hope this helps and gives you some options

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40. Guido says

    August 15, 2017 at 2:32 pm

    Hi Nate,
    Thank you for this explanation, Helps a lot.
    I have been snowboarding for the las 4 years with rented boards and I think its time to buy my own.
    Im not exactly a begginer, I can make turns easy. I want to start feeling better gaining some speed and start trying some butter tricks.
    So I was wondering wich snowboard, binding and boots I should buy.

    thanks!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      August 16, 2017 at 10:43 am

      Hi Guido

      I think that I would actually look at an all-mountain-freestyle board for your purposes. These boards will be able to handle more speed than typical beginner boards. They’re usually a little bit stiffer (but still a medium flex – not super-stiff or anything) than a beginner-suitable board but are also still good for learning tricks as well. Check out the link below to get some ideas on good all-mountain-freestyle decks.

      >>My Top All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards

      The YES Basic, which is also on this list, is also an all-mountain-freestyle board – but has a bit of a softer flex than most (helping to make it a really good beginner board also. That slightly softer flex can make it easier to butter on, especially when you’re starting to butter.

      In terms of bindings, you’ll want something with good board feel/butterability for your butter tricks but also with decent response so you can be making those turns at speed. So, something from one of the lists below would be a good option. If you go for a medium flex board, I would also go for medium flex bindings – but if you go for a medium-soft flexing board, then medium-soft bindings will be fine.

      >>Top 5 All Freestyle Bindings

      >>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings

      In terms of boots. Again, you’ll want to try to match the flex of the board to the boots as much as possible, so something with a medium flex is probably your best bet.

      >>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots

      Hope this helps

      Reply

41. Bernd says

    August 16, 2017 at 1:44 pm

    Hi Nate,

    somehow I spent the last two nights reading and reading your posts here. I could not stop reading.
    Thanks a lot man. You are doing a great job here.

    I started snowboarding last winter. Took a course and then went out with a friend and rental equipment. In total I was snowboarding 8 day. Now I decided to get my own equipment.

    Five days ago I went to a local shop and bought boots and bindings. But I couldn’t find a board there that I liked.

    Boots: Nitro Team TLS in 28.5 Mondo, 10.5 US
    Binding: Nitro Zero L

    I’m 190cm tall and weight 84kg. My stance is -15, +15.

    What snowboard should I get and in which size and width?
    The YES Basic seems to be recommended a lot.

    I could test my friends Burton Ripcord in 162W and liked it a lot better than all the rental boards I had. But it is a directional and I rote it tail first because we have different front foods.

    I would like to have a true Twin since I already riding switch on blue slopes and it is great fun.
    I’m not interested in powder, park or backcountry.

    Most fun for me is playing around on a blue slope doing different sized turns, getting low and really pressing hard on the edge so I get a single line in the snow.

    So what board is best suited for my kind of riding?

    Thanks Bernd

    Reply

    • Nate says

      August 17, 2017 at 8:19 pm

      Hi Bernd

      It sounds to me like an all-mountain-freestyle board would suit you the best. These are always true twins but are good at speed and good for carving which it sounds like something you are into/getting into.

      For your height, weight, ability level and preferences, I would go for something around the 160cm-161cm mark.

      For your boots, I wouldn’t go any wider than a 260mm waist width but not any narrower than 252mm.

      I would also highly recommend the YES Basic for your purposes because it is an all-mountain freestyle ride – but also a great beginner board. If you want to check out some other great all-mountain-freestyle options, check out the link below.

      >>My Top All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards

      But in saying that, the YES Basic has a medium-soft flex (4/10). And it sounds like the boots that you are in are quite stiff (8/10) and the bindings a bit stiffer as well (6/10). Nitro isn’t a brand I demo, so I’m only going off what they are rated as by others, but assuming those flex ratings are accurate, then it might be a better idea to go with a board with a more medium flex (5/10). I try to match flex between gear as much as possible but I still wouldn’t go for a stiffer board than 5/10 for you at this stage, since you are still in the beginner phase – all be it high end beginner already by the sounds of it.

      I personally wouldn’t have recommended boots that stiff at this stage but you’ll probably be ok.

      Riding the Ripcord backwards was still better than rental boards! That’s awesome. And so true too!

      Hope this helps with your search

      Reply

      • Bernd says

        August 18, 2017 at 1:16 am

        Hi Nate,

        thanks for the quick reply.

        I was in the shop for ours trying on shoes. This where the ones that where most comfortable for me. Yes they are quite stiff down at the feet, but in the upper part of the Boot they flex very nicely.

        Others are telling me as well that the Basic may be a little bit to soft for me and my setup and I should get a board slightly stiffer. They are pushing me really hard in the direction of the Jones Mountain Twin 161W. What do you think of that?
        Has an directional twin any advantages over a TrueTwin for playing around and carving on the slope? They telling me I won’t be happy with a TrueTwin.
        (For powder directional should be better but I’m not seeing me riding powder)

        The biggest YES Basic I saw that is available here is a 159W. The bigger ones are all sold out.

        I’m confused now. Should I get a all-mountain-freestyle board from your list with flex around 5 or an beginner board form your list in 160-161 or even an directional twin all mountain…

        Cheers Bernd

        Reply

        • Nate says

          August 18, 2017 at 1:25 pm

          Hi Bernd

          The Mountain Twin wouldn’t be a bad choice. You’re looking at around a 6/10 flex, there (Jones rate it 7/10 flex but IMO it’s not that stiff). Certainly more than I’d normally recommend for your level of experience – but considering you like to carve, it would be better for that in the long run. The Directional Twin shape won’t be too much of an issue, the Mountain Twin isn’t extremely different from a true twin, but it’s the 20mm setback that will feel a little different for riding switch – but still certainly doable for riding switch – just won’t be as easy (but will be easier riding switch than the Ripcord, apart from the fact that it will be stiffer than the Ripcord).

          I don’t think the Mountain Twin would be a bad choice with the rest of your setup. It’s going to be a bit of a steeper learning curve – but I think it’s certainly a board that would suit how your riding style is evolving. If you did, the 161W would be a reasonable size.

          Not a board that you would need to upgrade from for a long time – if ever. But something that will be more difficult to start out on. But given the rest of your setup, it’s probably better that you get that slightly stiffer board anyway. Choice is yours, Mountain Twin 161W is doable – or one of the all-mountain-freestylers.

          Hope this helps – know it can all get pretty confusing sometimes

          Reply

          • Bernd says

            August 19, 2017 at 6:45 am

            Hi Nate,

            I looked at your Top 5 All-Mountain-Freestyle list. But all the other boards there where either not available in my size or too expensive.

            I ordered the Mountain Twin 161W now. Yeah!
            Jones recommended reference stance is 60cm. I will move the front binding 2cm towards the nose so I have a stance width of 62cm and a centered stance.
            Is this a good idea or should I stick to the reference stance.

            I just noticed you changed the scoring of the Mountain Twin updating from 2017 to 2018. Did the board change from 2018 to 2017?

            Thanks a lot for your personal advice and all the snowboarding wisdom here.
            Your side is definitely the best one out there.

          • Nate says

            August 19, 2017 at 1:31 pm

            Thanks Bernd. Appreciate it.

            I’ve updated my scores for 2018 boards now. Mountain Twin is a very similar board in 2017 to 2018. There has been a slight tweak to the core, but practically the same board. I just did some tweaks with my scoring system and tweaked some scores in relation to other boards I tested (always trying to perfect and improve the system – I’m a bit of a perfectionist like that!).

            You could try centering the board and seeing how that feels. That would certainly improve it for switch riding. The other way you could do it if you wanted to center up is to move the back binding toward the center and have a 58cm stance. That’s how I would center the Mountain Twin. But I’m 183cm, so you’ve got a bit of extra height on me. But I always think it’s a good idea to experiment. So, maybe start with reference, see how that feels and then compare it to centering with a 62cm stance, then compare it centering with a 58cm stance.

          • Bernd says

            August 24, 2017 at 12:35 am

            Hi Nate,

            the Mountain Twin arrived yesterday. Very nice looking board and very light.
            I’m very happy. 🙂

            I will start with the reference stance and then try out different stance options after I got used to the new board.

            On the new board it says factory waxed ready to go. I’m thinking about waxing it before using it the first time. Or is this not necessary?

            Thanks again for your help.

          • Nate says

            August 24, 2017 at 1:53 pm

            Awesome! Love it when new boards arrive!

            In terms of waxing, there’s no harm in waxing it but sometimes it’s not necessary – it depends really. I wrote a post about that exact topic a while back – you can check it out at the link below.

            ~ Should I Wax a New Snowboard?

42. Joel says

    August 22, 2017 at 6:31 am

    Hi,

    I have just booked my 3rd snowboarding trip and I am considering buying a board. I am 5′ 10″ weigh about 85 kg and wear UK size 10 (US 11 – I think) Vans Encore boots.

    My first trip I rode a borrowed board- No idea what it was but picked up the basics fairly quickly- linking turns etc but was not that confident at speed.

    My second trip I rode a Rome Factory Rocker 155 and was spent quite a bit of time powder in the powder which was great but I suspect I picked up some bad habits in my effort to keep up with my friends and my on piste skills didn’t really improve as much as I would have liked, i.e. still didn’t have confidence at speed. This wasn’t helped by the camber- rocker-camber profile which definitely made the board feel loose on piste but was fun in the powder.

    At the moment I am not really that sure what type of riding I will be doing in the future I just want to take a bit of a step back on my next trip spend a bit more time on piste and improve the basics so that I can start picking up a bit more speed and working out what I really enjoy and maybe even think about a few basic tricks.

    Based on quite a bit of “Googling” I have narrowed the options down to the much loved Yes Basic, the also pretty highly for beginners Burton Clash and another board which don’t think you have rated that highly but seems to fall somewhere between these 2 spec wise which is the K2 Standard.

    It’d be great to get your thoughts on these boards along with which sizes you think I should ride or even possibly other recommendations based on your experience?

    Thanks!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      August 22, 2017 at 3:09 pm

      Hi Joel

      Thanks for your message.

      I am actually just in the process of redoing this list for the upcoming season and I am changing a few things and expanding the list to give more options. There are heaps of beginner board options out there and this list is a bit short given the number of good options available.

      But that’s not done yet but the boards have been chosen and the K2 Standard is on that list. One of the features of the new list is rating the boards for versatility. Which I haven’t taken into consideration before but is something that a lot of my readers want in a beginner board because they aren’t sure of the direction their riding will take yet (as you have also pointed out!).

      So based on what you’re describing I think an all mountain freestyle (which is what the YES Basic is) or an all-mountain board (which is what the K2 Standard and Burton Clash are), and that is suitable for progressing on of course, would be your best bet. Also, because you describe a loose feeling from the Factory Rocker, I think something with Camber or Flat between the bindings would also be a good way to go.

      With all that in mind I think that the YES Basic, Burton Clash (which has been re-branded as the Burton instigator for the 2018 model but a similar board but you can probably still find a Burton Clash in a 2017 model), and the K2 Standard would suit your purposes well. Some other options would be:

      ~ Rossignol Circuit
      ~ Rome Mechanic
      ~ YES Libre
      ~ YES Typo
      ~ Rossignol Templar

      In terms of size. For you I would say something in the range of 157cm to 158cm. And in terms of width try to get a board with a waist width at least 255mm wide but no wider than around 262mm.

      Hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions.

      Reply

43. Andrew says

    September 4, 2017 at 5:00 am

    Hi Nate,

    Tried to post this yesterday but not sure where it went…hopefully doesn’t appear twice.
    Firstly – thank for sharing all the infor on your site. It’s been a really great resource.

    I’ve had enough of lucky-dip rentals and I want to get my first board. Been doing loads of research – your site and the comments are a really useful resource. Before I pull the trigger I would really appreciate some advice on (surprise surprise!) which board and what size. Can you help please?

    TL:DR: K2 Raygun or Yes Basic for an intermediate rider? 161cm?

    My details:
    Height: 185cm
    Weight: 88-90kg (without gear on)
    Boots: 10.5 (US) Nike zoom force 1
    Feet: 275mm (L) and 280mm (R)
    Stance: regular, between 18/-12 and 15/-15
    Stance width: not sure but tend to prefer something a bit wider (23″? maybe a touch more?)

    I’ve got around 5 weeks experience and would class myself as a level 4 intermediate based on your guide (plus some off piste experience with an instructor). Usually go to the French alps in spring so will be a mix of all conditions: freshly groomed pistes, hard packed ice, moguls, spring slush and if I’m lucky some powder days.

    I’m looking for an all mountain board to build my confidence and progress on. Interested in being able to handle/enjoy whatever terrain I find myself on (I go with a bunch of skiers and tend to work our way around the ski area rather than hitting the same runs all day), developing my carving skills and making the most of the powder days. Not really interested in the park.

    On my last trip I rented a K2 raygun (2017 164w) and I loved it. I had spent the first day getting my butt kicked on a f2 respect (think it was also a 164). The f2 was way too stiff for me and didn’t do my progress or confidence any good. Initiating turns on the raygun was far easier and it was pretty forgiving. I felt way more confident to build up my speed and work on learning to carve my turns. Also felt more confident playing around with different techniques (varying pressure through turns, torsional flexing, unweighting/hopping etc). At the end of the week was tempted to buy the board there and then but started doing a bit of research and ended up going round in a few circles…

    I’m pretty confident that a raygun would be a good choice for me. It seems to be pretty well regarded and very versatile, both in terms of terrain/conditions and ability levels. But… the Yes Basic also comes highly recommended. From what I can gather the Basic has a better edge hold and would be better on the icy stuff, whereas the Raygun will be better in powder with the setback stance and flat-rocker profile. Sound about right? Would you recommend one over the other based on what I’m looking for? Or something else (Typo, Libre)?

    The next tricky bit is the size. It looks like the 164w that I rented would be considered way too big for me. In terms of length for my weight/height I’ve seen lots of advice to size-down and go for something around the 157/158 mark. I didn’t find the 164 particularly cumbersome and would be worried about losing some stability at speed and surface area for powder. I was thinking of the 161 as a happy medium, which ties in with your length guide. Also, I’m assuming I don’t need a wide? I think the raygun has a 153mm waist and the basic is 154 (both 161 length). Does 161 sound right?

    Binding wise, thinking of some K2 Indys or Formulas (size L) but open to suggestions.

    Many thanks!!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      September 4, 2017 at 9:50 pm

      Hi Andrew

      Thanks for your message. I moderate all comments, so that’s why the other one hadn’t shown up yet (even though I have good filters, sometimes junk comments get through, so I moderate everything.

      I think you’ve done some great research and you’ve come up with some great options.

      Since you know you like the Raygun that’s definitely a safe bet but the Basic is also a great option. You’re spot on, IMO, in terms of the Basic being better in icy conditions and the Raygun being better in powder.

      Another board you mentioned – the Typo – would also be a great option – you’d get the same great edge-hold in ice as the Basic but a bit more float in powder – maybe not to the extent of the Raygun but close. I’d say Basic 2.5/5 for powder, 3/5 for Typo and 3.5/5 for Raygun.

      In terms of size, I think you’re spot on as well. 161cm would be a good size for your ability level and what you like to do. You could go longer once you’re more advanced, and obviously it sounds like you were fine on a 164cm so you could go a little longer even now if you really wanted but I think 161cm is a good bet. I definitely wouldn’t go as low as 157/158 for you.

      And yeah, for width, you can generally go for regular width with 10.5s – if you’re looking in that 160+ length range – regular widths usually have at least a 252mm waist width in that length range – but maybe not always – but as long as you don’t go narrower than 252mm at the waist, you should be ok.

      So basically, I think you’re on the right track with your research. Which one you go with will depend on whether you value better edge-hold over float in powder – or go for the Typo where you get both – all be it not quite the same in powder.

      For bindings, I don’t really have any experience with the Indys or Formulas but based on what I know the Indys would probably be the better bet at this stage, just because the Formulas are quite stiff. If you’re looking for some other options try the following. They should all be in a reasonable flex-range for you. It sounds to me like you’re at a level that you could definitely go with a medium flexing binding – so the all-mountain list is probably the best option. But the beginner list will have cheaper options.

      >>Top 5 Beginner Bindings

      >>Top 5 All Freestyle Bindings

      >>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings

      That’s not to say that you couldn’t go Indy’s or something else, but there are some more options there.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Andrew says

        September 5, 2017 at 4:07 am

        Thanks Nate – yeah that’s really useful!

        Really good to get confirmation on the sizing – will definitely go for a 161.

        In terms of boards, being realistic I normally see a lot more ice than powder (but memories of the good powder runs are the ones that stand out more!) so I’m leaning more towards the Yes models.

        I think I might have left it a little late to find a good deal on the 2017 Typo here in the UK (and the new one looks like it will be around £380 which is a bit over my budget). I will do some digging though. If I can’t find one at a good price then I will make a final decision between the Basic and Raygun (have seen both for £225 for the 2017s). Again, I’m leaning more towards the Basic for the edge hold on a day to day basis.

        Thanks also for the advice on bindings – I will take a look at the guides and then see what’s available

        Cheers!

        Reply

        • Nate says

          September 5, 2017 at 2:54 pm

          You’re very welcome Andrew.

          Let me know what you end up with.

          Reply

          • Andrew says

            September 6, 2017 at 3:06 am

            Just ordered the Yes Basic 161! Got a great deal on the 2017 model (£215) which I’m really happy with. Bindings still TBC. Next trip is booked so the long countdown begins…!
            Thanks again

          • Nate says

            September 6, 2017 at 11:59 am

            Nice work!

            Hope you enjoy your new board and the next time you get out on snow!

      • Nate says

        September 6, 2017 at 12:22 pm

        I was just looking at the bindings I demoed last season – and I have ridden the Formula bindings! Sorry, I demo a lot of gear. But yeah, looking at my notes, I think they would probably be a bit too stiff for what you would want.

        Reply

        • Andrew says

          September 7, 2017 at 5:54 pm

          Thanks for digging that out! I had a look at the other options and based on reviews/what I can still find from last season I’m considering the following:
          Union ST
          Union Flite Pro
          Burton Custom reflex
          K2 Indy
          For my first bindings I’m going to stick to the lower end of the price scale. Idea is to get something that will work for now and give me a baseline in terms of what I want from a binding if I want to upgrade in the future.
          Got a couple of couple more questions of you don’t mind? First one is do any of those stand out over the others, particularly with the board/boot combo? Second is about sizing – I’m pretty sure I will need a Large in all of them for my 10.5 nikes – does that sound about right? I read that the baseplate on older L/XL unions can overhang the edge on non-wide boards – do i need to worry about that? Many thanks afain!

          Reply

          • Nate says

            September 8, 2017 at 11:00 am

            Hi Andrew

            I think any of those would be great choices for the Basic. If I had to choose an order I would say:

            1. Burton Custom ReFlex
            2. Union Flite Pro
            3. Union ST
            4. K2 Indy

            But they all would be suitable.

            In terms of sizing. I think you would get into a Medium for Unions (M/L in past years sizings). They size up to size 11 for mediums. I wear size 10s (not low profile) and I always ride medium Unions. You’ve got half a size up but I think you’d still be fine. I’ve never had Large (or L/XL) on a regular width board so I can’t say for sure about overhang issues with those – but I think you’ll fit mediums if you’re worried about it.

            For Burton bindings, their sizings also go up to 11s for medium – but I do know their sizings are based on their boots (which are more low profile than Nike boots were) – so it might be safer to go with large in that case. Again, I test (and prefer) mediums with Burton bindings and I think 10.5s would be fine (even non low profile) but I’d go large to be on the safe side.

            For K2s definitely go with Large (their mediums only go up to size 9s).

          • Andrew says

            September 9, 2017 at 2:16 pm

            Thanks again – your advice is much appreciated!

          • Nate says

            September 10, 2017 at 3:08 pm

            You’re very welcome!

44. Marcelo says

    September 8, 2017 at 3:54 pm

    Hi!
    I would appreciate it if you can help me on selecting the board length.
    Since my weight is near the upper limit, I´m not sure which should I choose.

    My specs:
    Weigh: 78 Kg / 172 lbs
    Height: 173 cms
    Boot: 10.5 US

    Burton Instigator
    155: 120-180 lbs. / 54-82 kg
    160: 180-260 lbs.+ / 82-118 kg+

    Salomon Sight
    156: 125-180 lbs
    159: 145-200 lbs

    Lasr question. I practiced snowboard two times, I can turn but still need more practice and confidence. Flying V is good option if I can afford it, or shoul I better gain confidence with any of the two boards mentioned before?

    Thanks,
    Marcelo (from Buenos Aires, Argentina)

    Reply

    • Nate says

      September 9, 2017 at 9:00 am

      Hi Marcelo

      Thanks for your message.

      I would go with one of the two boards you mentioned over the Process Flying V – that’s not to say that you couldn’t start out on the Process Flying V – but I think your progress would be quicker on the Instigator or the Sight. But if you feel like you really don’t want to upgrade after a couple of seasons, then you could go with the Process Flying V – with slightly slower progress.

      In terms of size, for your specs, go with.

      Instigator: 155cm
      Sight: 156cm
      Process Flying V: 155cm

      For your height and weight and being a beginner, I wouldn’t go any longer than 156cm. That would be the maximum for you at this stage.

      Hope this helps with your decision.

      Reply

      • Marcelo says

        September 9, 2017 at 3:47 pm

        It really helps! Thanks much!
        I wanted to thank you for all the information shared in different articles, by far the more useful I found.

        Reply

        • Nate says

          September 10, 2017 at 3:09 pm

          Thanks Marcelo – and you’re very welcome.

          Reply

45. Kieran Dugdale says

    October 1, 2017 at 3:54 pm

    Hi there,

    I am looking for my first snowboard but unsure what to go for. I have done a bit of research and I’m unsure if to get a flat profile or hybrid, I have been currently learning on a flat. I want an all mountain board and something that I can learn some basic freestyle on. I have been looking at maybe a Burton ripcord, clash or a K2 standard.

    I am 70kg 5ft 9″. I am currently learning on a 154 board, I have noticed some boards are 155 or 152 what is best size to go for.

    Is there any other boards that you could suggest best for me and what profile to go for?

    Thanks

    Kieran

    Reply

    • Nate says

      October 2, 2017 at 11:06 am

      Hi Kieran

      Flat-to-rocker is a nice easy profile to learn on – just don’t go for a completely flat profile – make sure there’s a bit of rocker tip and tail – which is the case for the Clash, Ripcord and K2 Standard, so the profile on them is fine.

      Something with camber in it is fine too – but just as long as the camber isn’t too dominant – a heavily cambered board is difficult to learn on. But something with mellow camber, ideally between the feet, and then a reasonable amount of rocker tip and tail.

      Note for the Clash that there isn’t a 2018 model, but the Burton Instigator is very similar to what the Clash was – it’s the replacement for the Clash. But there might still be 2017 Clash’s available (in which case you’d be able to get it pretty cheap).

      In terms of size I would say a range of 151 to 154 is a good range to look at for you. So, between 152 and 155, I’d say go with 152 – especially since you are looking to learn some freestyle too.

      So really anything off this list that’s all-mountain or all-mountain-freestyle with a length between 151 to 154 would be a good bet, which includes the K2 Standard and Burton Clash/Instigator, though the Instigator jumps from 150 to 155, which is annoying.

      If you could let me know one more thing, your boot size – just so I can make sure that you’re going to end up on something too narrow or too wide. And that might narrow down the options a bit further too.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Kieran Dugdale says

        October 2, 2017 at 12:19 pm

        Nate,

        I really appriate your help!!

        I am a UK size 7.

        I tried a camber board before and could not turn at all! I think I should stick to a flat board with rocker towards the nose and tail as that is what I’m use to and been learning on, or do you think a hybrid with not to much camber would be better?

        I am looking to pay up to £300 for board and bindings, the Burton Clash seems to be cheap as well as the Ripcord too.

        Is there any other boards that you suggest that are an all mountain that I can easily pick up free style on too?

        Thanks

        Kieran

        Reply

      • Kieran Dugdale says

        October 3, 2017 at 12:39 pm

        Hi Nate

        I really appricate your help and advice!

        I am a UK size 7.

        Is there much difference in between a flat profile and a hybrid like you suggested and what is the best? I am thinking of sticking to a flat as this is what I have been learning on but I am still not sure.

        Is there any other boards that you suggest that are flat or hybrid profile that are perfect for all-mountain and freestyle? The YES basic maybe an option now but it is a lot more expensive than the others. I would like a board that I could always improve on, not just get one for me as a beginner then change after one season. I have been learning at an indoor ski slope in the UK and I am confident going down there now.

        I am looking of paying around £300 for board and bindings maybe a bit more. Out of these boards I have suggested what do you think is best for me or can you think of a different board that would be better? Also about bindings, is it best to match the brand with the snowboard? I have looked at your best beginner bindings and I am tempted with the Union Flite Pro.

        Thank you for your help.

        Reply

46. Kieran Dugdale says

    October 3, 2017 at 12:40 pm

    Hi Nate

    I really appricate your help and advice!

    I am a UK size 7.

    Is there much difference in between a flat profile and a hybrid like you suggested and what is the best? I am thinking of sticking to a flat as this is what I have been learning on but I am still not sure.

    Is there any other boards that you suggest that are flat or hybrid profile that are perfect for all-mountain and freestyle? The YES basic maybe an option now but it is a lot more expensive than the others. I would like a board that I could always improve on, not just get one for me as a beginner then change after one season. I have been learning at an indoor ski slope in the UK and I am confident going down there now.

    I am looking of paying around £300 for board and bindings maybe a bit more. Out of these boards I have suggested what do you think is best for me or can you think of a different board that would be better? Also about bindings, is it best to match the brand with the snowboard? I have looked at your best beginner bindings and I am tempted with the Union Flite Pro.

    Thank you for your help.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      October 3, 2017 at 7:09 pm

      Hi Kieran

      Thanks for letting me know your boot size. You should be good on the width of pretty much any board in that 151 to 154 range we discussed.

      In terms of profiles, I think you’d be fine on a hybrid profile as long as there was enough rocker going on and that the camber wasn’t too dominant. But if you want to play it safe, then stick to that flat-to-rocker.

      The YES Basic would probably be your best bet, in terms of an all-mountain board that can do freestyle well – but also that would last you well into being advanced. The YES Typo would also be a great option for that. But it might be difficult to stay within your price range with them – unless you could find a past season’s model in your size.

      Otherwise, the Clash (or Instigator) and the K2 Standard are definitely still options. They’re not going to be as good in terms of when you’re more advanced, is the biggest downside.

      The other option, in terms of something that would last would be the Process Flying V but again, the price-tag might not work for you.

      In terms of bindings, there’s no need to match brands. The Union Flite Pros would be a good option. The only thing to watch out for is that if you decide on Burton bindings, then make sure you get the “Re:Flex” version rather than the “EST” version, unless you are also buying a Burton board – in which case you could get either “Re:Flex” or “EST”.

      Hope this gives you more to go off

      Reply

      • Kieran Dugdale says

        October 8, 2017 at 4:03 pm

        Hi Nate,

        I tested out the YES Basic 2017 model on the weekend for an hour on an indoor ski slope. I thought it was alright but I felt like I could ride the hire board better, maybe I didn’t have enough time on it to get use to riding it, also I felt like the edges were catching a bit. I can’t test the K2 Standard as it is not in the shop.

        I’m un sure if I should buy the YES basic or go with the K2 standard or Burton Clash.

        What’s is your advise is the YES basic still my best bet in what I am looking for and I guess I will be fine on it after riding a few more times, it will always feel different on a different board I guess for the first time.

        I am going back on the weekend to test other boards and profiles out, I think they have the Burton Instigator so I can compare this with the YES Basic as the Burton Instigator is similar to the Clash and K2 Standard.

        Reply

        • Nate says

          October 9, 2017 at 9:35 am

          Hi Kieran

          Great that you got a chance to try out the Basic. Yeah, definitely it takes a bit to get used to a new board. But if you felt it was catching a bit, it might be a safer bet to go with a flat-to-rocker option. You’ll likely outgrow something like the K2 Standard or Burton Clash quicker – but sometimes that’s the sacrifice of quicker progression.

          But it’s good that you get a shot at riding the Instigator so you get a chance to see what you feel more comfortable on. If you do feel more at home on the Instigator, then the Clash or Standard might be the better option – just know that you probably will outgrow them a bit quicker.

          Hope this helps

          Reply

          • Kieran Dugdale says

            October 15, 2017 at 7:14 am

            Hi Nate,

            I went back on the indoor ski slope yesterday and tested out a few different boards, I could not test out the Burton Instigator as they didn’t have a demo board yet. However I tested out a Bataleon Evil twin which is a camber profile but raised on the contact points but I found this really hard to turn. I then tested out a Slash Spectrum with was a flat profile and I rode this well, I rode this board as it was flat so I could compare it to the K2 Standard. I went back on the YES Basic again and I enjoyed this board now and rode this really well too.

            So I think I might purchase the YES basic.

            I can get a package with the YES basic 2018 with the Union flite pro bindings for £448 or I could get the K2 standard 2018 with the Union flite pro bindings for £332.

            Do you reckon it is worth paying the extra money for the basic?

            Also is this the best binding for these boards or could you suggest something better. UK size 8 boot.

            Thanks Kieran

          • Nate says

            October 16, 2017 at 12:00 pm

            Hi Kieran

            I think it’s worth going to the YES Basic. Just that, I feel you’ll need to upgrade the from the Standard quicker than you would from the YES Basic, so in the long run, I think it will end up more cost effective.

            For the price, the Flite Pros are a great choice for this board. And they are a good match flex-wise. You could upgrade to something like the Union Contact Pro, or K2 Lien FS or something like that, which would also suit the board, but you’re going to be looking at paying more for something like that. So for the money, the Flite Pros are a great option, IMO.

            For Union Bindings you’ll want to go with mediums. If you decide to go with a different brand, then you’ll most likely be medium on most brands but in case you do go with another brand, check the link below just to double check, because each brand sizes slightly differently.

            >>Snowboard Binding Sizing

          • Kieran Dugdale says

            October 22, 2017 at 2:08 pm

            Hi Nate,

            My YES basic 152 and Union flite pro bindings have arrived and I would like a bit of help with how to set the bindings up on the board.

            Firstly with the stance, there is no reference stance on the board to go off. I have done some research and for my height it says to have a stance of 20″, also I have measured from the base of my foot to the knee cap and that is 19″. To have this stance I need to put the bindings in the threaded holes closest to the centre of the board for the front and back foot. Is this what I should do?

            Also do I do the same with the back foot binding as the front foot? As put the binding in the same holes as the front as it is a true twin board or should I put a bit of a set back?

            Also about the angle of the bindings what do you suggest for all mountain freestyle riding, I think the board that I have been using is +15 and -15 so I think this might be a good place to start. Or should I change the back foot angle?

            I’m looking forward to testing out the board and bindings mid week.

            Thanks for all your help.

            Kieran

          • Nate says

            October 23, 2017 at 12:24 pm

            Hi Kieran

            I think starting with the reference stance of the board and experimenting from there is a good way to go. I think doing a bit of experimenting with width and binding angles is a good idea to try and find that sweet spot. Everyone has a different setup that feels right for them. That said, there is a range that you are likely to feel most comfortable in, depending on your height, style of riding and your board. So we can narrow it down to start with so that experimenting takes less time.

            SO yeah, I’d start with reference stance in terms of width. The reference stance for the Basic 152, is 21″. To find this, since it’s not indicated on the board, measure 21″ from the center of the front binding to the center of the back binding. 21″ isn’t too far off for your height and it’s the reference stance for the board, so a good way to go. I’d say you’ll likely be most comfortable with something between 20″ and 21.5″.

            Then I would start with +15/-15 angles. This is the most common these days, and a good way to start for this board too, IMO.

            Keep the angles the same as you experiment with width. You can experiment with angles once you have the width good.

            Once you’ve ridden with 21″ for a while, then move your bindings in one hole and see how that feels. If you preferred it at 21″, go back to 21″ for a bit, then try moving out one hole. If you still preferred 21″ then revert back. If you preferred in one hole, then stay there. If you preferred out one hole then stay there.

            The other way to do it, is to take a stance off the board that you think would be the most comfortable for riding, measure that with a tape measure and then setup your bindings as close to that measurement as you can.

            Once you have your stance width sorted, then you can also experiment with your binding angles if you like.

            The way I would do that is by going to something quite different. E.g. go from +15/-15 and then try +18/-6 or something like that. If you preferred +18/-6, then you could try +15/-9 and see what you preferred. If you still preffered +18/-6, then you could go with something like that or tweak it even more, like trying +18/-9 or something.

            If you preferred the +15/-15, then you could try something like +15/-6 – if you still preferred +15/-15, then you could stick with that or tweak further.

            Hope this makes sense. But yeah, I reckon a little bit of experimenting is a good idea. Obviously you don’t want to spend too long doing it, but putting a bit of effort in, can you help you to find your best setup.

            In terms of setback, I would stick with the centered stance that the board is designed for – unless, you go out on a deep powder day, then you could setback a bit.

            Hope you enjoy your new gear!

47. Jim says

    October 10, 2017 at 11:05 am

    Nate,
    Cant thank you enough for all the info on this site, its great! I believe I have my next board narrowed down to the Jones Explorer or the Never Summer Prototype 2, looking for something playful, mostly east coast, like to carve, some jumps, trees, not much park, 6’3 185 this will be my 5th year, consider myself a solid intermediate. I know the proto is more freestyle but it sounds like a lot of fun, also looking for something that is fast and can flat base really well without feeling catchy. Thanks for your help, if you think there’s something that is better to recommend please do. Currently riding a 159 midwide Rossi Templar, its been a good board but seems slow now and not very quick edge to edge. Just bought Adidas Tactical ADV boots and looking at union atlas bindings.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      October 12, 2017 at 8:16 am

      Hi Jim.

      I think those would be good choices by the sounds of how you like to ride.

      I would categorize the Proto Type 2 as an all-mountain-freestyle board – so yeah, freestyle oriented but can still ride the whole mountain – and still really good for carving.

      The Explorer on the other hand I would describe as an all-mountain board, bordering on aggressive all-mountain but something you can still slow own and play around on when you want – and it’s not catchy.

      I’d say the biggest differences between the 2 are:

      1. The Explorer is a better board in powder
      2. The Proto Type 2 is better for jumps and riding switch
      3. They’re probably equally as good for carving
      4. The Explorer is slightly faster overall, I would say but not by heaps

      So the biggest weigh-ups might be between whether you want extra performance for jumps or extra performance for powder, depending on how much you do of either.

      For more you can check out my reviews on both boards, if you haven’t already:

      ~Never Summer Proto Type 2 Review

      ~Jones Explorer Review

      The Tactical ADVs and Union Atlas would be a good match for either.

      In terms of sizing, I would say that the following would be good sizes, depending on your boot size.

      Proto Type 2: 160 or 161X

      Explorer: 162 or 161W

      If you let me know your boot size, I can give you my opinion as to whether you should go regular or wide in terms of the width.

      Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision

      Reply

48. Josh Jones says

    October 12, 2017 at 4:07 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Your website it great it has provided be with a lot of help!

    I have read some of the comments above and I am similar to Kieran. I have learnt to snowboard at an indoor slope in the UK and I am pretty confident going down there and started learning basic tricks going very slow like 180 and started trying switch.

    I am looking for my first board as I go away in January to Austria. I imagine I will be riding the piste most of the time and I would like to try small kickers in the park. What board could you suggest for me? I am not sure if I should get a beginner board like the Salomon Sight or K2 Standard which I would progress fast on or get something like YES Basic, YES Typo, Yes Libre where it would be a board that would be also good for me as a beginner and I could still use when I get more advance. What do you suggest for me and the type of riding I will be doing?

    Also for bindings what do you suggest is a good biding for one these type of boards?

    I am 175cm tall and 75kg and size UK 8 (thirtytwo lashed).

    Hope to hear from you soon!

    Thanks

    Josh

    Reply

    • Nate says

      October 13, 2017 at 11:39 am

      Hi Josh

      Thanks for your message.

      I think you’ve got to weight up what’s more important to you – progressing quickly but having to upgrade boards, or having a slightly slower progression, but having a board that will last you into a more advanced stage. There is unfortunately a trade off there. But that’s not to say that something like the Basic would be a slow progression. It’s still a beginner board – it’s not like learning on a stiff, heavily cambered freeride board!

      Some other options as well as the Basic, Typo and Libre, in terms of having a board you can keep for longer term are the Never Summer Snowtrooper, Capita Outerspace Living and the Burton Process Flying V.

      In terms of size, I would say 154cm to 156cm, would be a good length for you, at this stage.

      For bindings, I would suggest something from either of the following lists.

      >>Top 5 Beginner Bindings

      >>Top 5 All Freestyle Bindings

      >>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings

      Hope this helps

      Reply

49. Curtis Wood says

    October 16, 2017 at 3:44 pm

    Hi Nate,

    I’ve just started snowboarding and was looking at getting my first snowboard. I’m looking at the k2 standard but not sure if i need a 155 board wide or standards. I’m 5ft 10 inches tall, 99KG and size 10/11UK.

    Thanks Curtis

    Reply

    • Nate says

      October 17, 2017 at 10:08 am

      Hi Curtis

      If you were to go with the 155, then you’d need to go for the wide version, whether you end up in UK10 or UK11 boots.

      However for your specs, I think something around the 157 to 159 range would be a better length. I would be a little bit dubious having you on the 159W though – as the length combined with the extra width might make it slightly large for you as a beginner. But the 158 (253mm waist width) is probably too narrow for even UK10 and definitely too narrow for UK11. If you do end up on UK11s, then the 159W might be the best bet, though.

      You would get away with the 155W, but I think this would be on the small side for you.

      Ideally, I’d look at something between 157 and 159, with a waist width of between 258mm and 264mm.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

50. Robert says

    October 26, 2017 at 2:32 am

    Hi Nate,

    Not sure if you’ve been asked this before………….what size board should I go for?

    I am 6’2, 95kg, boot size UK12 (Burton Moto’s so more like an 11 so). I have had a couple of lessons indoors in the UK and a week in France with some lessons as well, got on really well but struggled turning on to my heals when I started getting tired. I’m looking for something to last me rather than sell and upgrade after a season or two. I don’t mind spending a few £££ to get something which will see me through some years. Going to be mainly riding in European resorts, not bothered about park.

    Main question is what size? A little shorter as I’m a noob? Wide because of my boot size/weight?

    Really like the look of the Gnu Gnuru but might but might be too much board for me.

    Great site and info for us noobies!!!!

    Thanks
    Rob

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    • Nate says

      October 26, 2017 at 10:49 am

      Hi Robert

      Thanks for your message.

      With UK12s – even with low profile Burton boots, you’ll still need to go for a wide board. Looking at something with at least a 262mm waist width.

      In terms of length, I would say something around 160cm to 162cm – and that’s taking off a couple of cms for being a beginner.

      I wouldn’t say the Gnuru is strictly a beginner board – but it’s certainly not terrible for a beginner – I’d say a high-end beginner would be fine on it, so you’d probably be ok on it, but not ideal. Only thing is that it’s what I would class as an all-mountain-freestyle board – which is fine, except if you’re not looking to get into freestyle at all, it might make more sense to go for an all-mountain board.

      So I think the Rossignol Templar would be a good option – especially if you think you’ll see a lot of hard/icy conditions. The 162W would work for you, I would say.

      The Process Flying V would be another great option – also in the 162W. The only thing is that it’s not great in hard/icy conditions. So if you think you’ll see those a bit, then the Templar probably the better option.

      The YES Typo 163W is another great all-mountain option for hard/icy conditions. A little longer than the range we were looking at but otherwise a great option.

      The Never Summer Snowtrooper 160X is also a great option – and you’d be able to go a little shorter than you would on the Typo – not quite as good in hard/icy conditions as the Typo or Templar but better than the Process Flying V.

      The YES Libre 161W is also an option – but it’s pushing it being too narrow for UK12s – so there’d be some risk there.

      Hope this helps and gives you some options

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51. Quin Johnson says

    October 26, 2017 at 9:28 pm

    Hey Nate, going to order a guest beginner board for friends who visit in Whitefish. I am looking for a beginner all-mountain that is a for anyone that weighs between 150-175 with around 11 boot size 254 -256 waist width if possible. Height 5-8 to 5-10. I would say a 156 lengthwise but being a beginner board would like to see if you could find a board around a 153 or 154 if possible. I guess somewhat of a park board that can handle all mountain cruising stability as well or maybe an all mountain deck that can handle some buttering/park. Would like the board to be able to handle some butters if possible. Nothing squirly please, will give me nightmares from my old skate banana. Any list within those specs would be a huge help. Thanks Nate.

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    • Nate says

      October 27, 2017 at 12:37 pm

      Hi Quin

      At 5’8 and 150lbs, then something 154 would be the max I’d want to go for a beginner. At 5’10” and 175lbs, then something as low as 153 or 154 would be fine – so I agree, that something around 154cm is a good middle ground to cover that range of riders.

      Since you also need something to accommodate 11s, then yeah, looking at around 254mm waist minimum – but again I wouldn’t want to go too much wider than that, for anyone that has shorter feet – as then the board might be getting too wide (and if that same person is already at their upper end for length, then wouldn’t also want them on something really wide). And given that the person with 11s is likely to be a beginner, that they aren’t likely to be really railing their turns – then we can go as narrow as a size 11 would allow – possibly even going a little narrower to 252mm. That’s my take anyway but let me know if you’re thinking differently.

      With all that in mind (and wanting something that is all-mountain to all-mountain-freestyle and suitable for a beginner and stable feeling), I think the following would be good options:

      ~ Rome Mechanic 153 (252mm waist – a little narrower but again, I think a beginner on 11s shouldn’t have an issue with this)

      ~ Salomon Sight 155W (256mm waist – a little longer than we wanted to go but another option that’s close)

      ~ Burton Instigator 155 (252mm – again a little longer but a bit narrower which would help for the smaller riders that will be using it)

      ~ Jones Mountain Twin 155W (258mm waist – a little long/wide than ideal and more intermediate level but doable for beginners)

      ~ Ride Manic 154W (261mm waist – probably getting a bit too wide, but another one that’s closeish)

      ~ Niche Aether 153 (254mm waist – probably the most ideal size so far. It’s on the looser side of stable – certainly not majorly loose, nothing near the likes of the Skate Banana (that’s talking super-loose/squirelly) but not quite as stable as the others on this list. Also, it’s more medium flex, than medium soft. Also, not the cheapest option but definitely good size-wise.

      Wow! That was a challenge. Don’t think I’ve ever had to recommend a board that was suitable for more than one person before – and it’s difficult to find boards that are that wide at that length – and being not-loose, all-mountain, and suitable for a beginner as well!

      Anyway, I think the Rome Mechanic is probably the best option there but hopefully that gives you a few options to mull over. I don’t think there’s anything ideal there. Not saying that it doesn’t exist but just that I didn’t find it. But I think those are all options that will work, you just might have to compromise slightly in one or two areas.

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52. Quin Johnson says

    October 26, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    Sorry, forgot another important question. I have a pair of imperials & cartel bindings they could use but I take it there’s no way those two would would on a beginner board being so much more stiff. What would your preference be for great progression within boots & bindings for a beginner board. If the imperials & cartels would work on a beginner board then I’d love to save the cash. Any help would be great. Thanks Nate

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    • Nate says

      October 27, 2017 at 12:44 pm

      Hi Quin

      Yeah, they’re not ideally suited to beginners, I would say that both the Imperials and Cartels would be on the stiffer side of medium (around 6/10 or maybe 6.5/10) so getting a bit stiff for beginners – but if you really wanted to save the cash they’d be survivable.

      But if you do go for something else, then something from these lists would be good options:

      >> Top 7 Beginner Boots

      >>Top 5 Beginner Bindings

      If you’re looking to go Burton again, then the Motos for boots and Customs for bindings would be a good option. But if you wanted to go cheaper, then Invaders for boots, and Freestyle for bindings. Union Flite Pros are best value for money beginner bindings, IMO.

      Hope this helps

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53. Quin Johnson says

    October 30, 2017 at 7:45 am

    Thanks again for your much needed help Nate. Have an excellent day & enjoy your upcoming winter!!

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    • Nate says

      October 30, 2017 at 1:59 pm

      You’re very welcome! Hope you enjoy your winter too!

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54. Eric says

    November 1, 2017 at 10:39 am

    Hi Nate,

    I am looking to buy my first board. I am 5’11 and Weigh 185 lbs. My boot size is a 10.5-11 US.

    Would a Ride Agenda 159 be suitable for me? Or a Salomon Sight 158W? If anything, are there any other boards you would suggest for my size?

    Thank you!

    Eric

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    • Nate says

      November 2, 2017 at 3:02 pm

      Hi Eric

      For your specs, I would say something around a 160cm would be good for you as an advanced rider and for all-mountain riding. As a beginner it’s a good idea to take off 3-5cm (just easier to progress on a shorter board). So I think something around that 156 to 157 mark is probably a good bet.

      With 10.5 to 11s. Let’s just say 11s to be on the safe side. Then I would say try to find something with a waist width between 254mm and 260mm, ideally. You could go up to 262mm but I wouldn’t go any lower than 254mm.

      With that in mind the 158W for the Salomon Sight is probably ok. Especially if you’re not a complete beginner then this would be a good size. If you’ve only ridden like once, then the 155W might be a better call.

      For the Agenda, the sizings have changed for the 2018 model – it sounds like you’re looking at the 2017 model in the 159, which has a 255mm waist width. I think that would be fine width-wise but getting a bit long in terms of the length for you. Even if you were more of an intermediate rider, I would say that the 159 is a bit long, because this board is meant for freestyle riding, which you would size down for anyway. I would say that the 157W would be a better bet – although it’s getting on the wider side. Possibly not an ideal size for the Agenda for you.

      But there should be plenty of other options there that fit within the size ranges I mentioned earlier in this comment.

      If you’ve only ridden a handful of times, then I would look at something that has a “FAST PROGRESSION” noted on it but if you’ve got a bit more riding time under your belt, then anything from this list should be fine for you. But take a look at the notes on each board to make sure.

      Hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions.

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      • Eric says

        November 14, 2017 at 8:57 am

        Thank you so much for the help! I just went ahead and purchased Burton boots in 10.5 and they fit just perfect. I know that these boots have shrinkage tech which allows me to comfortably get on a normal width board, so now my options have expanded.

        Now, as far as boards go, I found an extremely good deal on the 2017 Salomon Villain in a 155, and the weight range caps off at 190 which I fit into. Once again this would be my first board, but I am planning on riding up at Mammoth sometime this season and possibly making a trip to the Rockies next season. Would this board size be suitable for someone who is trying to carve down the mountain and ease into the park? I am just worried that I may run into some issues if I have to deal with powder. My other option would be a 158.

        Thanks again!

        Eric

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        • Nate says

          November 15, 2017 at 11:10 am

          Hi Eric

          Awesome that you now have boots! And since you were able to fit into 10.5s and boots with a low profile, then yeah, that means you won’t have to go wide.

          Unfortunately, I don’t think the Villain would be that suitable for you. It is a more freestyle board for starters – so for moving into the park, it would be fine, but less suitable for powder and riding faster downhill (once you get there). The other thing is that, even though it’s hybrid camber (with some rocker tip and tail) it’s predominantly camber and not that forgiving a ride. Probably not something I would consider great for beginners. It’s also at a medium flex – which isn’t way off, but in conjunction to the fact that it has a semi-aggressive camber profile, it would be a tricky board to progress on.

          I think I would try to look at something all-mountain or all-mountain-freestyle if I was you. You can still take it into the park, but a bit more versatile than a pure park/freestyle board.

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55. Cosmin says

    November 13, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    Hi Nathan,

    I am 1,70 cm and I have 70 – 75 kg. The weight varies from one month to the other. I’ve read some posts about how to choose the right board but I am getting some different info on the length and the width. Can you please help me with that? I am a size 9 / 9.5. Depending on the producer. I don’t have boots yet, but I was looking to buy some Burton Moto. Ow, and I am a beginner. I’ve ridden like 5 times or so, I am just learning the turns. And what board would you recommend? I mean, of course I read the article, but if you’d be able to narrow it down to one, two choices it would be great. It’s my first board and I have no idea what to buy.

    And last but not least I want to thank you for your articles. They are gold for beginners like me who have no idea whatsoever about boards or boots, or snowboarding and we try to learn. And the comments section is pretty impressive. I mean, just making time to answer to each and every one makes you a great person.

    Thank you!

    Cosmin

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    • Nate says

      November 14, 2017 at 1:05 pm

      Hi Cosmin

      Thanks for your message.

      In terms of length, I would say that around 156cm would be a good size for you as an advanced rider on an all-mountain board. As a beginner it’s a good idea to go a bit shorter though (by 3-5cm), so something around a 151 to 153 would be a good bet for your first board.

      In terms of width, I’d say something between 246mm and 252mm at the waist would be ideal – but it does depend on a few things – binding angles being a big one – if you stick with something like +15/-15 angles (which is the most common these days), then you can go narrower than you could with a straighter back foot. With +15/-15 and Burton Boots, even in a 9.5 you should be able to go as low as 245mm. You probably don’t know yet, but if you were going to have a straighter back foot, then something closer to 250mm would be better.

      Since you probably aren’t sure of how your style will evolve yet, then going with an all-mountain board (the most versatile) is probably the way to go.

      So with all of that in mind, I’d say the following are great options:

      For the Fastest Progression

      ~ K2 Standard 152cm
      ~ Salomon Sight 153cm; or
      ~ Rome Mechanic 153cm

      For Something that Will Stay with you for longer

      ~ Never Summer Snowtrooper 152cm
      ~ YES Typo 152cm
      ~ Burton Process Flying V 152cm
      ~ Rossignol Templar 153

      If you will experience hard/icy conditions a lot

      ~ YES Typo 152cm
      ~ Rossignol Templar 153

      Sorry this didn’t narrow it to one or two! But hopefully it narrowed it somewhat and helps with your decision.

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56. Marcin says

    November 20, 2017 at 3:04 am

    Hi Nathan,

    What do you think about DINOSAURS WILL DIE – WIZARD STICK?
    It ticks all the relevant things for a beginner board, but is usually stated as a intermediate one.

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    • Nate says

      November 20, 2017 at 2:56 pm

      Hi Marcin

      Thanks for your message. I haven’t ridden the Wizard Stick, so I couldn’t say for sure, but I think it would be fine for a beginner based on specs. But that’s just based on specs and what other say about it. But I have seen it rated as a medium flexin one review. So that would be the only thing, if it’s true flex felt a little stiffer – but if you go by the flex rating by Dinosaurs Will Die, then I think it should be fine as a beginner board.

      But I’m not sure of the extent of the camber in the profile – Hybrid Camber is great for a beginner board – but not so much if there’s a lot of camber in there and not much rocker, then it might feel a little aggressive. It doesn’t sound like it’s an overly aggressive board, so my guess would be that it’s a friendly hybrid camber – but I couldn’t say for sure.

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57. Marcin says

    November 20, 2017 at 2:11 pm

    Hi Nathan,
    Thanks a lot for your comprehensive guides! They really shed some light on the topic.
    I am curious about one thing. I can get DWD’s Wizard Stick with a nice discount and was thinking if it will be also good for a beginner (after 10 days on the slopes). Theoretically, it ticks almost everything you’ve mentioned in your articles.

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    • Nate says

      November 20, 2017 at 2:57 pm

      Hi Marcin

      I think I answered this from your other comment. But let me know if you have any other questions.

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58. Sebastiaan says

    December 6, 2017 at 2:45 am

    Hey Nathan!

    Great guides, they help me a lot!

    I am struggling with choosing my first snowboard. I’m 6’3 (192cm) with size 11 – 11.5 (45 EU) and I weigh around 207 lbs (could get a little less or more 204 -214). I have the option to choose for the Salomon sight 2016 with the sizes 58W-59-62W-66W the Rossignol Circuit 2017 size 61W or the Rossignol Circuit Wide 2018 61W or 66W.

    Or should I not get a wide snowboard? That will give me some more options to choose from but with my foot size I think I need a wide board?

    It will basically be my first time snowboarding so I think these boards I found are good for beginners?

    Thank you in advance!

    Sebastiaan
    Amsterdam

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    • Nate says

      December 6, 2017 at 11:36 am

      Hi Sebastiaan

      Based on your specs, I think something around 160 to 162, would be a good length for your first board.

      In terms of width, I think to be safe you would want to go at least 258mm at the waist, so yeah that’s going to mean wide boards most of the time. And without knowing binding angles, then I think at least 260mm at the waist would be safest.

      So for your options the best choices would be one of the following:

      ~ Rossignol Circuit 2017 161W
      ~ Rossignol Circuit 2018 161W
      ~ Salomon Sight 2016 162W

      But given that you should be able to get the Circuit 2017 cheaper than the 2018, I would say it’s between the Circuit 2017 161W and the Sight 162W.

      Hope this narrows down your options.

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59. Nick says

    December 11, 2017 at 2:10 pm

    Hi Nathan,

    Thanks so much for writing this guide out! It’s really easy to read and is helping me immensely in my snowboard-buying journey. I’m a beginner snowboarder who went a few times last year and I mostly go to ski resorts in the NJ/PA area. I’m still trying to learn how to carve and definitely don’t have any jumps down yet. I mostly stuck to Green slopes last year and did some Blue slopes.

    Yesterday, I went to a small snowboard shop and the owner really pushed for me to get a hybrid snowboard. Are hybrids truly the best snowboards? If so, what’s the best hybrid type for a beginner? Rocker/Camber/Rocker or Camber/Rocker/Camber or Flat to Rocker?

    I’m about 6’1″ and 230 lbs. I wear size 10.5 US shoes.

    The store owner suggested that I buy the Capita Outerspace Living. Seeing this page, it seems like it might be a good snowboard for me because I’m on the heavier side but I really have no idea. What length snowboard would you recommend for me? I assume I would get a shorter length for the Outerspace specifically since it’s medium flex and I would get longer lengths for other beginner snowboards.

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    • Nate says

      December 11, 2017 at 3:51 pm

      Hi Nick

      Thanks for your message.

      I would say that generally you would go for something 165 as an advanced rider. As a beginner, something more like between 160 and 162.

      I agree that Hybrid is the way to go for beginners. Anything with too much camber will be catchy and anything with too much rocker feels to loose (though is easy to turn). Flat-to-rocker tends to be the easiest profile to ride as a beginner – but Hybrid Camber (Rocker/Camber/Rocker) is also good as long as the camber isn’t too accentuated and as long as there is enough rocker in there for easy turn initiation. Hybrid Rocker (Camber/Rocker/Camber) is also an ok option, again, assuming that there’s enough rocker and not too aggressive for the camber, but I think I prefer flat to rocker and hybrid camber for beginners.

      I think the Outerspace Living would be a great option for you – and I think the 160 would be the best size for you. It would also be an appropriate width for 10.5 boots.

      It’s not that often the case, but in this case I agree with everything you heard in store!

      Generally in terms of length anything 160 to 162.

      Generally in terms of width something between 252 and 258 would be the best way to go. If you know your binding angles, then closer to 250 if you ride with something like +15/-15 or anything with a decent angle on the back foot – and closer to 260 if you ride with a straighter back foot (e.g. +15/0).

      Hope this helps

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      • Nick says

        December 12, 2017 at 1:48 pm

        Hi Nathan,

        Thanks for responding! Really appreciate the help. Do you think that for boots and bindings, I should still get them with a flex of 3-4 (what you recommended for beginners) even though the snowboard has a flex of 5?

        Also, is it better to get my bindings as lightweight as possible? I assume that if I pay more for bindings, the main benefit would be less weight.

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        • Nate says

          December 13, 2017 at 12:34 pm

          Hi Nick

          For two reasons, I think that going with bindings and boots that are more like a 5/10 flex, is a better for you.

          a. because it’s a better flex match to the board, as you mentioned. Going with softer boots and bindings on a stiffer board can mean your not getting as much power transfer to the board as you could be.

          b. Same reasoning as with the board, if you’ve got a bit more weight behind you, then you can put more pressure on things like boots and bindings, so something slightly stiffer isn’t going to be as hard to exert pressure on as it would be for someone putting less weight on them, if that makes sense.

          You don’t necessarily have to go lightweight – but it is nice. I prefer lighter weight bindings for a couple of reasons, again. Firstly, it can be less fatiguing by the end of the day both with your board on the lift and generally riding. Secondly, I find that a lighter binding makes an overall lighter setup, which can make it subtly easier to do ollies, spins etc.

          Typically more expensive bindings do tend to get lighter – but it’s not always the case and that’s not usually all you’re paying extra for. More responsive bindings typically cost more, which usually translates to stiffer bindings. Also, there are other things like nicer ankle and toe straps, more foot-bed cushioning, better ratchets, more adjustability, tool-less adjustability and in some cases (like with Union) a mini-disc that gives bindings better feel. There are a number of other tech things that go into more expensive bindings – but yeah,lightness can be one of the benefits, for sure.

          Check out the following for some binding options in a suitable flex range:

          >>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings

          Hope this helps

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60. Jimbo says

    December 13, 2017 at 1:32 pm

    Hi Nathan,

    Great page, awesome info. Really appreciate it!!

    I am a beginner snowboarder and I am 42 🙂 Better late then ever I guess. I am also quite short @170cm and heavy @ 85kg. Small feet though, so don’t need a wide board. Anyways, I have got a GNU Money board 156cm (http://www.gnu.com/snowboards/money/) with Union Flite bindings. I don’t thing that rig is working for me. I am having a hard time turning on it consistently with edge catching being a problem. It feels like the board is too long. I have used other shorter rental boards (around 150cm) and felt quite comfortable on them.

    So I am thinking of getting Rossignol District, but based on my weight it would have to be a long board again, 159 based on the Rossignol. Would would be a drawback of getting that board in size 151cm? Is it going to be slower (I don’t mind that).

    Cheers

    M

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    • Nate says

      December 14, 2017 at 12:44 pm

      Hi Jimbo

      Thanks for your message.

      A few things to consider here.

      Firstly, I would put you on a 157cm, generally speaking (it can vary depending on the board and your preference) at an advanced level. However, as a beginner it’s a good idea to go shorter. So, I would usually recommend something between 152 and 154 for you as a beginner. So even though 156 would probably be a good length for that board for you as an advanced rider, I think it’s too long for you as a beginner.

      Whilst the Money is something that’s supposed to be relatively catch free, it will be easier to catch an edge if it’s too long. The other thing to consider is that the Money is a Hybrid Rocker (so rocker section between the feet and camber to tip and tail). Some people can find this more catchy. You might be one of them, in which case it would be a good move to switch to either hybrid camber or flat-to-rocker. The District is hybrid camber, so I think that is a good way to go, considering you’ve had difficulty with the Hybrid Rocker with the Money.

      Depending on your boot size, the Money 156 might have been too wide for you as well with a 255mm waist width.

      In terms of weight recommendations, they are just guidelines, IMO and aren’t something that have to be strictly adhered too. Rossignol are also notorious from what I see, when it comes to having weight recommendations on the light side. That said, going for the 151 would put you well over the weight recommendations for that board. Usually I would recommend to go to the 155 for that board. But since it sounds like you do have a preference for shorter boards, the 151 is an option but there a few things to keep in mind with going to that kind of length and going that much above the weight recommendations.

      1. The board will feel softer flexing than what it’s rated as. Since the District is already rated quite soft, it will feel even softer to you on the 151
      2. The board will feel slower, like you say, but it will also be less stable at higher speeds if you do start to ride faster, than a longer version would be
      3. You’ll get less float in powder, if that’s something you think you’ll encounter

      So yeah, I think overall, the 151 will be fine for progressing on – but keep in mind the things above and the fact that as you do improve you are probably likely to want to upgrade from this board in a 151 reasonably quickly. If you’re happy to do that, then I think this is something that you could progress really quickly on.

      Just one more thing – if you can let me know your boot size just to make sure that the 151 will be suitable for your boot size. I know it sounds like you won’t need a wide but I like to make sure. Even if you don’t need a wide, just want to make sure that the 248mm will be a suitable waist width to get you on.

      Hope this helps

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      • Martin says

        December 19, 2017 at 5:28 am

        Hi,

        Awesome info!!!

        My feet are small, size 7 (25 shoe size I believe – I have Salomon Faction). Most likely won’t need a wide board.

        One other board from your list I am considering is Rossignol Ciruit (that one would be 150cm). What do you think? Which one is easier to handle and learn on?

        Basically, I don’t care if I have to change the board after 1 or 2 seasons. I just want to learn faster and save my butt and knees in the process 🙂 Once I learn I can try going back to my GNU, or will get another board. Oh, and I only ride groomed trails in resorts, etc. No powder, no off piste, no park, no jumping 🙂 Just wanna get down the hill and slowly is not a problem (yet, I hope:)

        Cheers

        Martin

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        • Nate says

          December 19, 2017 at 10:09 am

          Hi Martin

          Thanks for the extra info. With size 7s, i think the Money was not only too long but also too wide for you – and that extra width would have made it harder for you to apply pressure to the edges (because your feet would have been well inside the edges of the board). This would definitely have made turning more difficult.

          So, I think we definitely want to look at something narrower and since you are happy to change the board after a couple of seasons, then going to a length around 150 will be fine. Also, because ideally, you’d probably be on something even narrower (which is hard to find in men’s boards at a length 150+) that going a little shorter (i.e. 150, 151) is fine. I always find that if you have to go a little wider than ideal, then going shorter compensates for that. So with your Money being longer and wider than ideal, it was a bit of a double whammy.

          Ideally you’d probably go no wider than a 245mm waist width – but since I think something around a 152 to 154 would be a good length, then going 248mm (as in on the District 151) or 247mm (as in on the Circuit 150) is fine as you are going a bit lower in length. And I am guessing that the hire boards that you’ve been on wouldn’t be too much different in width to that.

          A good next phase board, once you outgrow the District or Circuit, would be the Capita Outerspace Living 152 (243mm waist) – you’d be going a little stiffer and adding a bit of length but the width would be more suitable and would be a nice step up.

          In terms of the choice between the Circuit and the District, they should both be really easy to progress on – the main difference is that the Circuit is more all-mountain oriented (a bit of a setback stance and more directional), where the District is more freestyle oriented (centered stance, true twin). If you were going to be seeing powder, then I’d recommend the Circuit – but if not then you could go with either one. If you think you want to learn how to ride switch, then the District is going to be easier for doing that.

          Hope this helps

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          • Martin says

            March 7, 2018 at 4:12 pm

            Hi Nate,

            Picked up a Rossi Circuit, 150. Took it to Italian Alps and had a blast!!! Thanks for the advice. I am progressing on this board quite well. I’ll give my GNU another try in few weeks, but so far I am super happy with what you have recommended.

            Thanks again.

            Cheers

            Martin

          • Nate says

            March 9, 2018 at 3:03 pm

            Hi Martin

            Great to hear! Happy riding!

61. Martin S. says

    December 17, 2017 at 11:43 pm

    This page is not only awesome but it’s almost a bible for me now! Thanks so much!

    I’m looking to get a Burton Flying V 162W
    Weight: 95kg
    Height: 191cm
    Boot: 13US (low profile)

    Would you agree that the board’s size is ok?

    I’ve found this board fairly available for sale (used) and none other mentioned in this article.

    Thanks!!!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      December 18, 2017 at 10:10 am

      Hi Martin

      Thanks for your message.

      I think the Process Flying V would be a good choice for your specs and as a beginner and the 162 length is a good option too, IMO.

      The width (262mm at the waist) is borderline for size 13s. But as long as you ride with a decent angle on your back foot (I say back foot as that’s always on the same or less of an angle as the front foot) – e.g. +15/-15 – and since you have low profile boots, then you should be fine on it. If you ride with a straighter back foot – then it’d be pushing it being too narrow.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

62. Emir says

    December 20, 2017 at 10:38 am

    Hi sir, im beginner, want to buy board, height 187, kg 90, foot eu 46, want to get something of good quality, which do you recommend? thanks.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      December 20, 2017 at 2:34 pm

      Hi Emir

      Thanks for your message.

      Starting with length, I think something around 158 to 160 would be a good range to look at in terms of length, as a beginner.

      In terms of width, you’ll need to go wide, with EU46s. For most brands that translates to a US12 (I need to translate as I think in US sizes!) – though for some it’s a US13. But assuming it’s a US12, then something with at least a 260mm at the waist is recommended. And only that narrow if you have binding angles something like +15/-15. If you have a straighter angle on your back foot, then going wider than that is a good idea. I understand that you might not know your angles yet – in which case going with something at least 263mm at the waist is probably the safer option.

      I think the following options would work well for you – and be boards that you won’t have to upgrade straight away, which it sounds like is important to you.

      ~ Rossignol Templar 159W (260mm waist) – if you know your angles and you’ve got a decent angle on that back binding, then this would be a good option
      ~ Burton Process Flying V 159W (260mm waist) – ditto same comments as above
      ~ YES Typo 159W (261mm waist) – a great option if you encounter hard/icy conditions often (as is the Rossi Templar)
      ~ Never Summer Snowtrooper 160X (263mm waist) – this would be safer than the others in terms of width and a good quality board that’s also beginner friendly (as are the other 3 above)
      ~ YES Basic 159W (261mm waist) – another Hard/Icy snow option

      There are certainly other options in terms of boards that would fit you size-wise and be good beginner boards – but would be boards that you might want to upgrade after a season or two – depending on the speed of your progression.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

63. Yigit says

    December 26, 2017 at 5:27 am

    Hey Nate,

    Thank you for the thorough post. This and other information regarding how to choose a snowboard really helps us beginners out there. Great work!

    I would love to have your advice in my case as well: There is an ongoing discount on Rossignol Circuit and District boards in my local Decathlon store. I am 188cm and 82kgs. My foot size is 28cm. I have read your other post about choosing the best size (minus 3-6 if beginner) and cant decide which size to get. The Rossignol size charts classify me as a 161-2 user but that I believe is too big. Their only sizing options are 155 and 160, and I am leaning towards the 155 but in the chart its max is 75kgs. Do you know how tight/accurate their charts are? Will I drag my feet on turns with a 155 or will I be too unbalanced? Please share your insights.

    Thank you in advance,

    Reply

    • Nate says

      December 26, 2017 at 7:06 pm

      Hi Yigit

      Thanks for your message.

      Yeah it’s annoying that the Circuit only comes in 5cm steps. I would say that something around 161cm would be a good advanced level size for you, but as a beginner something around 156 to 158 would be ideal, IMO.

      Rossi’s weight recommendations do tend to be on the light end, so I wouldn’t be too concerned there. However, I think 155cm is shorter than ideal. But ideally less than 160cm would be good too.

      In terms of width, it will depend on what sized boots you get into, and also what brands. Size 10s are typically made for 28cm feet, but sometimes you might have to go up a half size from there, depending. If you did end up on 10s, then you could get on something with around a 248mm waist, assuming that you have angles something around +15/-15. So you would get on the 155cm width-wise assuming size 10s and certain binding angles. Otherwise, you might be pushing it for that being too narrow.

      If you end up in 11s, or something like that, then you’ll probably go for 156W. But for your foot size that’s getting on the wide side.

      For the district, the 159 is probably the best size. You could go 155 but again, I feel like that’s just getting a bit small for you.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Yigit says

        January 8, 2018 at 12:08 am

        Hi Nate once again,

        I decided not to buy the Rossignol 160s and have directed my attention elsewhere. I am now considering a 157 ripcord that I found for pretty cheap (around 240 EUR). I could not find other boards in your list anything near that price, would you consider Ripcord an OK board? I am riding with 0/-15 with hire boards, would the waist on the 157 ripcord be OK for my sizes (I checked my boots and they are EU 11s)? Your answers definitely help us out there, keep up the good work!

        Thank you in advance.

        Reply

        • Nate says

          January 8, 2018 at 1:10 pm

          Hi Yigit

          Thanks for your message.

          The Ripcord is definitely something that will be easy to learn on, in terms of being easy to turn. But it is a strange board in that it has a tapered directional shape and a 25mm setback stance. This is usually something you would see on a freeride board (but freeride boards are usually a lot stiffer and the Ripcord is a very soft flexing board). This isn’t a bad thing for learning on, necessarily but it’s not something that is very versatile. So, given it’s softness it’s going to be the kind of board that you will want to upgrade from fairly quickly as you become more advanced. This is also the case with a lot of other beginner boards – but often they are more freestyle oriented or somewhere in the middle (all-mountain) – which then means that you can keep them as you soft playful freestyle deck when you upgrade. You can’t really do that with the Ripcord. But you can always sell it of course.

          So I think it will be fine as a beginner’s board for you, but just wanted to give you all the information.

          In terms of width, it’s probably going to be a bit narrow – depending on what EU11 means – that sounds like a strange size to me. Usually EU sizes for your foot length would be 40 something. So I’m assuming that it’s either US11 or UK11?

          If it’s US11, then I think the Ripcord 157 will be too narrow if you have +15/0 binding angles – a straight back foot size 11 is going to be too wide for a board of that width, IMO. If you had binding angles +15/-15, then you would be ok with US11s. If it’s UK11s, then they are going to be too wide for that board, regardless of binding angles.

          If you riding with US11 or UK11 with +15/0 angles, I would definitely recommend wide sizes. For the Ripcord the 158W would probably be your best bet. But if it’s UK11s – which would seem too long for 28cm feet though – then even that would be too narrow for +15/0 angles. If it’s US11s you should be fine on the 158W.

          Hope this helps

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          • Yigit says

            January 8, 2018 at 11:12 pm

            My bad, I meant EU45 and US11, didn’t mean to confuse you. Unfortunately 158W is not available where I found the deal on 157s. I’ll see my further options then (preferably one from the above list), if I have questions again I will definitely appear in your mailbox again 🙂 Thank you very much and have a good one bud!

          • Nate says

            January 9, 2018 at 12:32 pm

            You’re very welcome Yigit.

            That makes sense that they’re US11s! With those angles, and US11s, I would say try to find something around 260mm and up. Not too wide, but I’d say at least 260mm to be safe. Let me know if you find anything else not on this list that you think might be suitable and I would be happy to give you my opinion.

          • Yigit says

            January 15, 2018 at 10:56 am

            Hi Nate,

            I have found another deal and here I am again haha. Would a size 159 Ride Agenda (255mm waist) be narrow for my boots? Would you consider it OK as an all mountain beginner board?

            Thank you in advance as always!

          • Nate says

            January 15, 2018 at 2:18 pm

            Hi Yigit

            I think you’d get away with the 159 in terms of length, but with a back binding angle of 0 degrees, I think it’s still a bit too narrow. If you were willing to switch to something like +15/-15 or even +18/-12 or something like that, then you might be ok width-wise – but with a back binding angle of 0, I think you’d be pushing it in terms of it being too narrow. I would consider the Agenda more of a freestyle board – but for a beginner, it is suitable for riding groomers, IMO.

            Hope this helps

64. Fernando says

    December 31, 2017 at 12:47 pm

    Hi Nate! Your notes and explanations are priceless for someone about to make some first purchases. Really appreciate your work here. I’m about to get my first owned gear. According to your guide I believe I’m a Beginner (level 3). Burton snowboards are easy to sell here at home so I will go that route. My most common use is to follow my son who skis green and blue tracks. I’m 5’10” and 163 pounds. 2 questions:
    1. If money was not to be considered, what do you recommend between the Process Flying V or the Instigator?
    2. What size should I get?

    Thanks!!!
    Fer

    Reply

    • Nate says

      January 1, 2018 at 8:15 pm

      Hi Fernando

      Thanks for your message.

      The Instigator is softer and overall a better choice for a very beginner, in my opinion. However, the Process Flying V is still a good board for beginners – but it’s also better for someone more advanced than the Instigator. The Instigator is something that you would probably feel the need to upgrade from much sooner than the Process Flying V. Being a high level beginner, I would say you wouldn’t see that much benefit in going for the Instigator over the Process Flying V in terms of ease to ride, but it would last you longer. So taking money out of the equation, I would say Process Flying V for you is the best option.

      Size-wise I would weight up between the 155 and the 157. I would put you on around a 158 for this type of board at an advanced level, but it’s always a good idea to go little shorter when you’re at a more beginner level. So, I think I would be leaning towards the 155. But if you felt like you could ride the 157 fine, then that’s a size that you could stick with indefinitely. If you have size 11 boots or up, then the 157W would be your better bet. If you’ve got size 12 or up, then you’d have to look at a different board. 10.5s would be on the cuff between 155/157 and 157W and 10s and under I wouldn’t consider 157W at all.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Fernando says

        January 8, 2018 at 5:49 am

        Thanks Nate!

        I’m 9.5/10 hence the 155 sounds good. Any big difference between the 2017 and 2018 model?
        I’m assuming in the case of the instigator you would also recommend a 155, right?

        Regards

        Reply

        • Nate says

          January 8, 2018 at 1:59 pm

          Hi Fernando

          With 9.5s/10s, then the 155 and 157 would be your best bets. The 157W would be too wide for you.

          For the Instigator, the 155 would be your best size, IMO.

          The 2017 Process Flying V is virtually the same as the 2018 model as far as I can tell (apart from the graphic of course). They changed their weight recommendations, but that seems to be just a change in their weight recommendations and not related to any changes with the board.

          Reply

          • Fernando says

            February 9, 2018 at 5:53 am

            Thanks Nate!!!

            While I’m still looking for a good deal on any of the boards you recommended a new doubt arised: How relevant would be to get EST Burton Bindings vs Non-EST for these boards? I was planning to go with the Burton Custom Bindings size M.

            Regards!

          • Nate says

            February 9, 2018 at 1:05 pm

            Hi Fernando

            Both the EST and Re:Flex versions of Burton bindings would be fine (or other brands of bindings that are channel compatible). You tend to get a bit more in terms of board feel from EST bindings and setup is pretty easy, but it’s definitely not a have-to on a Burton board. Re:Flex models also have pretty good board feel and going with that option would allow you to use them on other boards, if you went with a different brands sometime in the future but wanted to stay with the same bindings.

            So there are pros and cons, but definitely not a must to go with EST.

            M is the right size Burton binding for your boot size – so yeah definitely go with the M, IMO.

            Hope this helps

          • Fernando says

            February 14, 2018 at 8:14 am

            Thanks Nate! I followed your recommendation and ended up getting the Burton Instigator 155 + Custom Re:FLEX. Now in the search for boots. Any idea if the Burton Moto run small? I’m a US 9.5 in most of my running shoes. Should I get a US 10?

          • Nate says

            February 14, 2018 at 2:49 pm

            Hi Fernando

            Burton boots tend to fit me the same as my shoe size – as do most snowboard boots these days. It used to be that you would size down half a size for snowboard boots, but in my recent experience boots tend to fit me in the same size as my shoe size. With a few brands I have to go half a size up. So I’m a size 10 in shoes, and for most brands I’m a size 10 snowboard boot but for DC and Thirty Two, I’m a size 10.5.

            But with Burton I’m a size 10, so I’d say that you would be a 9.5 in Burton boots. They tend to fit true to shoe size – but if you size down for running shoes, then yeah the 10 might be better. Ideally, you would want to be able to try them on first to make sure, as there are no guarantees in terms of fit (everyone’s feet are different), but if you can’t try them on first, then I would go for the size that corresponds to your normal shoe size for Burton boots.

            Hope this helps

65. Simon Brown says

    January 2, 2018 at 6:17 am

    Hey Nate,

    Thanks so much for the information you have posted here. Has been an incredible helping hand as there is wayyyyyyyy to much information out there. haha. I am looking at buying my first board, have never snow boarded previously. I have skied twice previously many years ago. I have actually had one board catch my eye thats not listed in your top 5. I am looking at the 2018 Lib Tech Skate Banana board 156cm. As this seems to have rave reviews about being a good all rounder board, and good for learning on also. Wht are your thoughts?
    My stats are:
    height – 6.0″ (183cm)
    weight – 185 lbs (84kg)
    shoe size – 10 US

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Kind regards

    Simon Brown

    Reply

    • Nate says

      January 2, 2018 at 12:35 pm

      Hi Simon

      Thanks for your message.

      The Skate Banana (SB) is a good board for beginners – but it is quite loose feeling. So if you think you like the sound of a loose surfy feel underfoot, then it’s definitely an option. But I usually recommend more stable feeling boards for beginners. It’s definitely an easy turning board – so great for learning turns on but can feel a little loose.

      I would categorize the SB as a Freestyle board – one that’s most suited to riding the park – but can ride the rest of the mountain ok too. If you want more details you can also read more about the Skate Banana in my review below:

      ~ Lib Tech Skate Banana Review

      In terms of size, I think the 156 would be a good size for you as a beginner and a good size as a freestyle board too. You’re pretty much the exact same specs as I am (6’0″, 185lbs, US10) and the 156 was how I liked this board. For an all-mountain board, I’d put you more at a 160, but for freestyle and as a beginner length the 156 is a great size.

      So yeah, if you like the sound of a looser feeling board and think that you’d like to ride freestyle in the future then this would be a really good choice. Down the line, you may end up wanting a longer more all-mountain/big mountain oriented board – but this is the kind of board you could keep forever and use it as your park/freestyle board, once you were past the beginner phase.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

66. Adam says

    January 2, 2018 at 7:56 am

    Hey Nate!

    First of all I’d like to thank you for all of these reviews, I read almost all of them and I wish had visited your website earlier. So much of information in one site it’s unbelievable.

    Could I ask you one small question? I’m mid level beginner (I think) and thanks to your top15 I decided to buy Salomon Sight but the place I wanted to buy it sells only the 2017 version of it. I was wondering if there was any major changes in 2018 version of Salomon Sight.

    Thank you in advance!

    Adam

    Reply

    • Nate says

      January 2, 2018 at 12:42 pm

      Hi Adam

      Thanks for your message.

      Very little difference between the 2017 and 2018 versions – so if you can find a 2017 version in size that’s good for you, then go for it – you should be able to get it cheaper than the current model too.

      Let me know if you’d like a sizing recommendation (i’d just need your height, weight and boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of your shoe size yet).

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Adam says

        January 2, 2018 at 5:00 pm

        Thanks for a fast answer.My height is 6’0″ weight 200 lbs and boot size is 12 US so I guess I need Wide board.

        I was also thinking of getting Union Flite Pro that my shop is selling. Maybe I will get both things with some kind of a discount.

        Can’wait for your answer and thanks for your help!

        Adam

        Reply

        • Nate says

          January 3, 2018 at 1:47 pm

          Hi Adam

          Thanks for the extra info.

          Yeah you’ll definitely need to go wide with size 12s. In terms of length, I’d say something around 161, 162 would be a good advanced level length for you – but it’s a good idea to take off some length as a more beginner level rider. So in your case, I would go for the 158W.

          Flite Pros are a great beginner binding option, IMO. If you can get them together at a discount that sounds like a good way to go.

          Reply

67. Javi says

    January 17, 2018 at 7:51 am

    Hello Nate!

    I’ve been reading your website for a few days in order to get the right equipment so start snowboarding. It is so helpful when you don’t know what to choose because of the lack of knowledge. So thank you for making life easier for us!

    4 years ago I got my wrist injuried (was wearing no protection) and followed my mates wherever they were going (blue, red…). In 3 days I was doing turns (not very confortable in blues and reds, but I tried). Now that I got recovered I want to start again with my own equipment, because I want to get used to the deck and not changing it everyday by renting (also read your article about that).

    I found a Salomon Sight for 235€ online, but I don’t know what’s my best size. I hope you can help me with that. I am 1,78m tall, 74kg and my feet 9.5-10UK.

    Thank you so much!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      January 17, 2018 at 12:21 pm

      Hi Javi

      Thanks for your message.

      I would put you on around a 158cm as an advanced rider. However, as a beginner it’s a good idea to take off 3-5cm as a rule of thumb. Since you’ve ridden a bit before, I think you could go at the longer end of that scale but I still wouldn’t go as long as 158 yet.

      With UK9.5s/10s, I would say you would want to go with something with at least 250mm waist, and only that narrow if you’ll be riding with a reasonably angles back binding (e.g. 12 to 15 degrees) – with a straight back foot (e.g. 0 degrees, 3 degrees) probably around 258mm minimum.

      Based on all that, I would say that the 155W would be a great size for you. If you ride with a flat back foot (o – 3 degrees) and end up in UK10s, then even this might be pushing it too narrow, but otherwise, this would be the perfect size for you for this board, IMO.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Javi says

        January 18, 2018 at 1:30 am

        Hey Nate!

        Thank you for answering that fast. You are really helpful since tomorrow I’m going to the mountain and I will start snowboarding again. I decided to rent this weekend and buy my equipment next week in order to choose correctly.

        I checked the salomon official website to compare the different Sight’s sizes (https://www.salomon.com/sp/product/sight-3.html?article=399247). I got a little confused because the 155W is 256mm and you recommended me 258mm minimum. Wouldn’t be better to choose the 158W? If not, please tell me why (just curious and willing to learn from you).

        About the bindings and boots, I think I have doubts between Flite Pro and Burton Custom. The price difference is 10€ so I don’t know which one to choose. I will try them on this weekend in order to know which is the best size for me, but checking the size guide I’ll guess the M for both will be ok.

        Then, if I get the M of the bindings and boots and the “mm” difference I stated in the first paragraph, which deck would you recommend me between the 155W and 158W?

        Thank you so much!!!

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        • Nate says

          January 18, 2018 at 1:36 pm

          Hi Javi

          I would only say minimum of 258mm waist width only if you ride with a 0 or 3 degree back angle and end up in a UK9.5 boot.

          If you ride with any more of an angle on your back foot, then 256mm would be fine with UK9.5s. If you ride with a 15 degree back angle, then you could go as narrow as 250mm at the waist.

          If you end up with UK10 boots, then you would want to go with at least 261mm at the waist with a 0 or 3 degree angle – but even on UK10s you would be fine with as narrow as 254mm at the waist with a 15 degree angle on the back foot.

          So, whether or not the 256mm waist on the 155W is wide enough depends on what your boot size will be and your binding angles. It’s a good idea to get boots, as this means that you know what your size will be.

          In terms of the 158W, I think this length is too long for you, as a beginner, and it’s also not that much wider – it would give you a bit more leeway but not a huge amount.

          Hope this clarifies it.

          In terms of bindings, if you end up with UK10s, then I would recommend Large for both Burton and Union. Even on UK9.5s you could ride Large Burton – but could also get in the Mediums, but if you’re not sure of boot size yet, then large are the safer option. In terms of Union, I would say go large regardless of Uk9.5s or UK10s. Their sizing is up to UK9 for mediums and Uk9 and up for Large.

          Between the Flite Pros and the Customs, they’re both great beginner options, IMO. If you are able to try them out, then go with whichever feels most comfortable and fits best for you.

          Hope this helps

          Reply

68. Rhys says

    January 17, 2018 at 8:15 pm

    Hi Nate,

    I’ve been looking to buy my own board and I really need your help. I’m completely new to snowboarding and I know that I want to into a more freestyle riding style. I was wondering if you could recommend a few boards with centred stances that don’t break the bank.

    I’m 1.78m tall, 88kg and Shoe size 10 UK

    Thank You

    Rhys

    Reply

    • Nate says

      January 18, 2018 at 1:18 pm

      Hi Rhys

      Thanks for your message.

      In terms of size, I think that something around a 155 would be a good option for you. For your specs, I would say a good all-mountain board length, if you were an advanced rider, would be 160cm – but since you are a beginner, then we want to take off 3-5cm (as a rule of thumb). Shorter is also a good idea because you are looking to get into freestyle riding – you want a shorter board for that too.

      In terms of width, with UK10s (assuming that’s the boot you end up in – these days it’s usually pretty close to your shoe size, give or take 1/2 a size), you’d want to look at at least 254mm at the waist – and that would only be if you rode with +15/-15 angles. If you had a straighter back binding (e.g. 0 – 3 degrees) then you’d need to go wider. You probably aren’t sure of your bindings angles yet, but since you are looking to get into freestyle, something like +15/-15. +12/-12 or something like that, is a great way to go as it makes it easier for riding switch.

      Based on all of that the following would be great choices, IMO.

      ~ Horrorscope 155 (256mm waist) – or 155W, but I think the 155 would be wide enough assuming you go with a +15/-15 or +12/-12
      ~ Ride Agenda 154W (260mm waist)
      ~ YES Basic 156W (259mm waist)
      ~ Rossignol District 156W (262mm waist)

      I think those would be great choices in terms of both being freestyle oriented but also easy to learn on. And if you ended up getting into more all-mountain, freeride type stuff and needed to get another board for that, you would always have a freestyle board you could use on days you felt like hitting the park/riding more freestyle in general.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

69. Chase says

    January 21, 2018 at 6:13 pm

    Hey Nate.

    Huge fan of your reviews here. Brand new re-entry into the world of Snowboarding. Got into it at 15 but money always held me back. Now 27 with a great career and having rented gear x2 the itch and availability is at an all time high. I’m really interested in going with your Salomón Sight suggestion at 158W with your Union Flite Pro binding suggestion. I’m a 10.5US in the 32-Lashes boot. I weigh 185-192lbs. I’m 5’11”. How do you feel about me with the 158W and can you give any insight between the 2017 sight (black and white) roughly $250USD vs the EVO special 2018 Sight $300? Thanks for your time and putting together these reviews.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      January 22, 2018 at 1:56 pm

      Hi Chase

      Thanks for your message.

      For your specs, I would say something around 160,161 for length, for an all-mountain board, if you were at an advanced level. As a beginner, taking off some length is a good idea – 3-5cm as a rule of thumb. So something between 155 to 158 would be good to look at. Since you have some prior experience going to the higher end of that range sounds like a good idea, so I think the length of 158cm for the sight is a great way to go.

      In terms of width, the 258mm waist width should also work well for 10.5s. So yeah 158W definitely best size for you for site, IMO.

      The 2017 and 2018 Sight are very similar. If you can get the 2017 model cheaper, I would go with that. As far as I’m aware the evo special edition model is just a different graphic, so otherwise the same board.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Chase says

        January 22, 2018 at 2:32 pm

        This has been fantastic help. I may be a 10 boot in the 32- lashed now that I’ve gotten them in so I hope this doesn’t effect the recommendations. I come from an athletic background if that helps in utilizing the wide width for the boots.. I’ll be sure to continue to follow your posts as I progress through. Already booked 3 different week trips out there.

        Thanks for all your help, time spent, and quick responses!

        Chase

        Reply

        • Chase says

          January 22, 2018 at 4:33 pm

          Quick last question. Union Flite Pro vs contact. And also for the Flite Pro. Riding in Size 10 boot… Medium or Large binding? Thanks again!!

          Reply

          • Nate says

            January 23, 2018 at 12:41 pm

            Hi Chase

            Usually I’d say Flite Pro is the best option for a beginner out of those, but given that you’re athletic and around 190lbs, I think the Contacts might be the better option in your case. They’re still on the softer side of medium in terms of flex, but they’re a little stiffer than the Flite Pros but I think that’s fine in your case and they’re certainly not stiff by any means. Both would work but the Contacts are a little nicer overall, and you get the bonus of the mini disc if you went with them. You get a better price on the Flite Pros, so there are pros and cons to both.

            I ride 10s and I prefer Mediums for Union bindings. I can still ride with Larges, and you would definitely be able to ride with large but I personally prefer the Mediums – but I do like my bindings snug – and also Union base plates are quite long for their large and if I want to get on a narrower board it’s more difficult with Ls.

            Hope this helps

        • Nate says

          January 23, 2018 at 12:35 pm

          Hi Chase

          The 258mm waist is getting wide-ish for 10s, especially if you’re going to be using binding angles like +15/-15 – but in saying that, if you’re quite athletic, then you won’t notice the effects of being too wide as much. Being wider means that it’s more difficult to apply pressure to the edges. So I think the 158W is still suitable for you. If you’re worried about it being too wide though, the 159 is another option. You should be able to get on the 250mm waist on that – but that would depend on binding angles – if you’ve got a back foot angle of anything 9 degrees or more you should be fine on the 159 width-wise – but if your back foot is straighter (e.g. 0 – 6 degrees), then the 158W would be a better option.

          Hope this makes sense and answers your question

          Reply

          • Chase says

            January 23, 2018 at 6:18 pm

            Thanks again for all your help Nate. I’ll be sure to follow up your thread and visit it for rebuilding the fiance’s setup next winter.

            In a recap to those like myself reading through all your comments on this thread.

            My stats
            5’11”
            190lbs
            Shoe Size 10.5-11
            Beginner rider with some experience
            Athletic background

            Setup I went with
            with Nate’s help

            Salomon Sight 2017 board 158W

            Union Contact Pro Bindings M

            32- Lashed 2018 Boots size 10

            Smith Camber Mips Helmet

            Smith squad XL goggles.

            See you all out there!!

          • Nate says

            January 24, 2018 at 12:42 pm

            You’re very welcome Chase!

            Thanks for the summary. Happy riding!

70. Nick says

    January 24, 2018 at 5:39 am

    Hi there, Im here from Japan Im a your review is so helpful.
    I am 26.5 cm size burton boot.
    Im 175cm tall 65kg and I found cheap salomon sight 2016 on auction web but there is only 156cm with 248 waist left.
    Do you recommend it?

    Reply

    • Nate says

      January 24, 2018 at 12:50 pm

      Hi Nick

      Thanks for your message.

      I would put you on around a 154 for your specs, as an advanced rider. As a beginner it’s a good idea to go a little shorter – 3-5cm as a rule of thumb – which would put you in a 149 to 152 range, ideally. I think the 156 is getting a bit long for you. You’d probably get away with it as a more advanced rider, but as a beginner it’s going to make it a lot more tricky to ride.

      The 248mm waist width is probably fine for your boot size, though a little narrower ideally, especially if you were to ride with binding angles like +15/-15 (i.e. a reasonable angle on your back foot).

      Hope this helps

      Reply

71. Snowdaddy says

    January 25, 2018 at 3:21 pm

    Hello Nate!

    I just started sb´snowboarding last year. Since I had to take care of kids and roam around the mountain on skis I only got about four days of snowboarding.

    In these days I progressed to doing basic carves and I could safely go most places around the mountain. My biggest issue was ice, but I suspect my board was really bad for that. I also had a lot of boot sticking out over the board…

    I’m at 105 kg and 185 cm tall guy with boots at EUR 44-45.

    I’ve been eyeing several snowboards since I’m thinking I should buy a decent snowboard that I could stay on for a while. Mostly I suspect I’m going to go down pistes at moderate speeds, but having the option to try going off piste for some powder sounds like a fun idea.

    So far I’ve been looking at the Trick Pony, Super 8, Lobster Sender or Jones Explorer.

    I guess I’m looking for a do it all kind of board.

    Do you think these boards would be a bad choice? I find it hard assessing my skill and where I’ll be once I get going this season. I’m an old skateboarder and whatnot and I didn’t really have any problems getting down the mountain on my first run.

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    • Nate says

      January 26, 2018 at 10:54 am

      Hi Snowdaddy

      Thanks for your message.

      In terms of length, I would say something around 165cm would be a good length for you for an all-mountain board, if you were at an advanced level. For beginner riders, I usually recommend taking off 3-5cm as a rule of thumb – but as a fast progressing beginner/intermediate rider, I don’t think you need to take that much off. I would say looking at something around 162-164 is probably a good size to look at. And even when you’re advanced you could stick with this size if you wanted to.

      In terms of width, it’s tricky with European sizes since they translate so differently depending on the brand. But assuming your boots translate to around a US11.5, then I would say you’ll need to go for a wide board. Looking at something between 258mm and 268mm at the waist – and only at the narrower end if you ride with angles like +15/-15 (e.g. a reasonable angle on the back foot). If you ride with a straighter back foot, then you’ll want to be at the higher end of that range.

      In terms of the type of board you want, it sounds like you’re looking for an all-mountain board, and one that’s good in hard/icy conditions. Given that it sounds like you’re progressing really quickly, I think you are able to go to something with a medium flex. So something off the following list would work well, IMO.

      >>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards

      I’d say that the Super 8 is probably a little on the stiffer side of medium and whilst you might handle that ok, it’s also got quite a technical camber profile, and I would consider it more of an advanced and up board. You might be alright on it, but I think it would be risking going a step too far. Edge hold in icy conditions around 4/5

      The Explorer is also something that’s on more of the stiffer side of medium – more friendly in terms of camber profile though – probably still not ideal for you, IMO, but an option. The 164W would probably be the best size for you, assuming some things about your boot size. Edge-hold in icy conditions, I’d say 4/5

      The Trick Pony is also an option. The camber profile is probably a little trickier, but not too bad – there is some rocker in the tip and tail – but it’s right in the middle of medium flex, IMO. For this the 162W would be your best size. Edge-hold in icy conditions, I’d say around 3.5/5

      I don’t have any experience with Lobster boards – but just quickly looking at the specs, it looks like it’s more mid-stiff than medium flexing, which might just be a bit of step too far. Again, you might be ok with it, but I think sticking around medium would be a safer bet at this stage.

      Some other options that I think would suit you well.

      ~ Rossignol One 161W (266mm waist) – going a little shorter but quite wide (depending on your binding angles and what your boot size actually translates to) – you could go up to the 165W as well – but that will be a steeper learning curve and a little wider again. 5/5 edge-hold in hard/icy conditions

      ~ YES Typo 163W (263mm waist) – I like this size for you. 5/5 in icy conditions. Not as good in powder as some of the other options though.

      ~ Jones Mountain Twin 164W (262mm waist) – I think this is a good size too and a great option overall – 4/5 icy conditions

      ~ Slash Brainstorm 163W (263mm waist) – again a good size and another great option overall, IMO – 4/5 icy conditions

      ~ Never Summer West 164W (266mm waist) – 4/5 icy conditions

      Hope this helps and gives you some options

      Reply

      • Snowdaddy says

        January 27, 2018 at 3:10 pm

        Hey Nate,

        Awesome advice!

        I definitively think I need a wide board if that is an option for the model. Buying a snowboard is hard work!

        I’m you pointed me back in the direction of the Jones Mountain Twin… maybe that’s the one for me. I got to think long and hard on this, I don’t want my want for bombing down the mountain get in the way of my leisurely buttering around with my kids, and basically… I can only buy one board.

        Thanks for the really good advice and thanks for this awesome website! I’ll get back to report on which board I bought and how many legs and arms I splintered.

        Reply

        • Nate says

          January 29, 2018 at 12:07 pm

          You’re very welcome.

          Look forward to hearing what you go with and how you liked it

          Reply

          • Snowdaddy says

            February 23, 2018 at 9:57 am

            Hello Nate,

            I decided that the Jones Explorer was the board for me since I figured out a more directional board with good float in powder would really useful. The reviews also said that the Explorer was relatively easy to do sliding turns with. For greater control while riding with the kids. Turned out it was impossible to find my size.

            I tried looking for the other boards, but the only one I could get hold of was the Super 8, and I chickened out on that one.

            I ended up with the Salomon Final Call 162cm, Genesis X bindings and a pair of Burton Photon Boa.

            The board looks amazing and I can’t wait to head up into the mountains to try it out. I’m a bit nervous I’m in over my head, but everything came at less than half price and I just couldn’t resist it.

          • Nate says

            February 24, 2018 at 11:22 am

            Hi Snowdaddy

            Thanks for your message.

            Awesome that you got some gear sorted. Look forward to hearing how it goes when you get a chance to test it all out.

          • Snowdaddy says

            April 3, 2018 at 2:16 pm

            Hello Nate,

            Naturally, I bought the Fist Call and not the “Final Call”… typo.

            After a couple of days riding here are my first impression. I don’t have much to compare to since I’ve only been on a cheap rental board, but buying a board was the right first call. What a difference!

            First Call is lively and easy to turn. I haven’t been able to go into powder yet, but it has a surfy feeling when the resort snow start to pile up. The carving seems pretty good, but I’ve managed to wash out a few times when I go fast and put too much pressure into the turns and really lean into the carves to run my hands along the snow. So far I’ve not been able to max it out for speed. It’s stable at high speeds and I’ve ridden it pretty fast. I will keep practicing my carves at high speed and see if the washing out is just my own lack of skill.

            My first day it felt kind of catchy and I took a couple of really bad falls going fast down cat tracks. I’m not sure, but I think it’s just my noobishness at play. As long as I stay focused and concentrate it’s not too bad.

            All in all, I’m really pleased with the board, bindings and boots. Maybe I’ll try to get a board even more suitable for carving and going fast down piste next year, but First Call will surely stay in my possession as a playful kind of resort/powder board.

            I recommend this board to anyone that are over the first bump of trying to link proper turns and can lay down a basic carve. However, I think the board needs a bit of an aggressive approach when riding it.

            Once again, thanks for your excellent website!

            /snowdaddy

          • Nate says

            April 4, 2018 at 10:23 am

            Hi Snowdaddy

            Thanks for the follow up and sharing your experience with your new gear! Appreciate the detail there.

72. Derek says

    January 31, 2018 at 5:28 pm

    Hi Nate,
    Thanks for all the good info. My last board was bought in a rush and I couldn’t even tell you anything about its flex or profile. I’m pretty sure it was a 165cm. What I do know the thing dang near killed me every time I went down the mountain. lol. I’m 6’2 and weigh 235. How important is it to follow the weight recommendations on length. I feel I would be more comfortable on a 159 or 160ish wide. What do you think? Thanks in advance. Derek

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 1, 2018 at 10:38 am

      Hi Derek

      That’s how a lot of people buy their first snowboard unfortunately!

      Generally speaking for your specs I would say something around 165-166, if you were already at an advanced level. By the sounds of it you are more beginner/intermediate? In which case it’s a good idea to start out shorter – taking off 3-5cm as a rule of thumb. So, then you’d be looking at roughly 161 to 163. You could get on a 159 or 160 if you feel you have a preference for something shorter, for sure.

      In terms of width – it depends on your boot size, but at 6’2 you’ll likely have the boot size that needs a wide, but if you can let me know your boot size that would be great – as even if you need a wide, it depends how wide you need to go.

      Weight recommendations aren’t the be all and end all, IMO. They’re good to keep an eye on, but they’re not hard and fast rules in my book. One thing is that the board will likely feel softer if you are a good bit above the weight recommendations. So you’ve got to keep that in mind. For a beginner I’d usually recommend something soft up to medium-soft, but if you’re above the weight recommendations, by a reasonable amount, on a medium flexing board, then it will feel softer than that, so you can go up to a slightly stiffer flexing board if you wanted as it would feel softer to you. E.g. if you were to go 159W Templar – it will likely feel softer than the 4.5/10 flex and maybe more like a 3.5 or 4 (hard to say exactly how much softer), if that makes sense, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing if you’re a beginner.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Derek says

        February 1, 2018 at 11:25 am

        Thank you for your quick response. I would definitely put myself in the beginner category and wear a size 12 boot. Everything you said makes really good sense concerning my weight and flex. I’m an old guy (48) so I’m just looking to go from A to B with as little damage as possible. I would love to hear a suggestion for a complete set up from you(mid level pricing). Boots, bindings, and board. I originally was thinking flat to rocker. But after reading your profile basics. I think I may want to go with a hybrid/ camber. I can’t tell you how nice it is to ask a question and have a response so soon. Thank you for your dedication and work. Derek

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        • Nate says

          February 2, 2018 at 10:08 am

          You’re very welcome Derek.

          Thanks for letting me know your boot size. For 12s, we’ll want to look at something at least 260mm at the waist – and only that narrow with +15/-15 binding angles (i.e. if you have binding angles with a reasonable angle on the back binding – with a straighter back foot, something wider would be safer).

          Based on that, the following would be good board choices for you, IMO:

          ~ Rossignol Templar 162W (261mm waist) – assuming a reasonable angle on your back binding or you could go for the 159W if you felt like you’d prefer to go shorter. This board is also a good choice if you encounter hard/icy conditions regularly

          ~ Burton Process Flying V 162W (262mm waist)

          ~ YES Typo 163W (263mm waist) – or you could go 159W if you felt like you’ prefer the shorter size. Another good option for hard/icy conditions.

          ~ Never Summer Snowtrooper 160X (263mm waist)

          ~ YES Libre 161W (260mm waist)

          ~ Burton Instigator 160W (265mm waist)

          For bindings and boots, I would check out the following:

          >>Top 5 Beginner Bindings

          >> Top 7 Beginner Boots

          If at all possible, I definitely recommend trying out boots before you buy to make sure you’re getting a good fit (each brand tends to fit a little differently). Even if you’re buying online it’s a good idea to try in-store first if possible. If it’s not possible make sure you’re buying from somewhere with a good return policy so you can return them if they don’t fit properly. For boot sizing and proper fit, check out the following:

          >>How to Size Snowboard Boots

          You also might find these useful for choosing bindings:

          >>Snowboard Binding Sizing

          >>Binding and Snowboard Compatability

          Hope this helps

          Reply

73. Scott says

    February 1, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    Hi Nate. There was a lot of good info on beginner board. I found a good deal on a 2017 salomon sight board and a 2018 k2 standard board and was trying to decide between the 2. I’ve gone snowboarding a few times but am still a beginner. Also what would your size recommendation be for someone 5’11” and 153 lbs for either board? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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    • Nate says

      February 2, 2018 at 10:54 am

      Hi Scott

      Both of these boards would be a good first board for you. Some people do prefer to start out on a flat-to-rocker (i.e. K2 Standard) rather than something with Camber in it (i.e. Sight) but some are the other way around – and some find they grow out of flat-to-rocker faster. But either one is a good bet, IMO.

      In terms of size, I would put you in a range of 153 to 155 as a beginner (as a more advanced rider closer to 158).

      So for the Sight and Standard, I would say:

      ~ Sight: 155W or 156 – you could also go 153 but I suspect that your boots might be too big for the width
      ~ Standard: 155

      But if you could also let me know your boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of boot size), just to make sure that you get on something with enough width too.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • scott says

        February 3, 2018 at 8:58 am

        Thanks for the info Nate. I’m a size 9.5 boot. I was also looking at getting the Union Flight Pro binding. I’m guessing I should go with the mediums for that right?

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        • Nate says

          February 3, 2018 at 10:20 am

          Hi Scott

          Thanks for your message.

          Yeah, I’d definitely say go Mediums for 9.5 boots. You might be able to get into Large, but I think Medium would be a better fit for 9.5s. I prefer them for 10s and would definitely ride Ms for 9.5s.

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74. Dimiter Milushev says

    February 5, 2018 at 1:46 pm

    Hi Nate,
    I am looking at a board for size 10.5 Boot.
    I am 1.85 cm tall and 93 kg, i a beginner.
    I have a choice of Salomon Sight 158W (cheaper but is wider) and Salomon Craft 158 cm.
    Also yes basic 158 in the same ballpark as the Salomon craft.
    I will be mostly riding in the Alps, snow is supposedly good.
    I should probably not consider wides at all.

    Any suggestions appreciated.
    Regards,
    Dimiter

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 6, 2018 at 12:41 pm

      Hi Dimiter

      Thanks for your message.

      With 10.5s it depends on a couple of things whether you go wide or not. The main one is binding angles. If you ride with your back binding (back binding will always be on a straighter angle or the same angle as your front binding) on a decent angle (i.e. -9 to -15 degrees) then getting on something like the YES Basic 158 is no problem with 10.5s – anything down to like 250mm at the waist. If you’re back binding is straighter (i.e. 0 – 6 degrees), then going wider is a good idea. Something around 258mm at the waist and up. In which case the Salomon Sight 158W would be a good width for you.

      The other thing is that if you’re someone who likes to get really deep into their carves, then going a little wider is a good idea – but as a beginner that won’t be a thing yet.

      The Salomon Craft 158 is actually wider than the Sight 158W – it’s just a wider board in general. Something around that 258mm at the waist mark can sometimes be called a regular width and sometimes a wide.

      I think your looking at a good length range as well – something 158 to 160 would be good for you as a beginner, IMO.

      So, if you’re not sure of your binding angles, then the Sight or the Craft are the safer bets. But if you know your angles and you have a 9 degree angle or more on your back foot, then the YES Basic is a good option.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

75. Dimiter says

    February 12, 2018 at 8:38 am

    Hi Nate.
    Thanks for the great advice.
    I got the salomon sight.
    Feels good but today there was some powder and felt not so stable.
    Any idea about the stance width.
    I have the reference one and feel I should probably make it wider but not sure by how much. Any idea about this one?
    Thanks
    Ps my angles are 15 degree on the front and 0 degree on the back.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 13, 2018 at 1:03 pm

      Hi Dimiter

      If you feel like you need to widen your stance, then I would go one hole wider on the front and one hole wider on the back. That would get you a wider stance but with the same amount of setback. But if you wanted to increase your setback (which is nice to do in powder) then you could leave the front binding where it is and move the back binding back one hole. This would widening it less overall, but would be increasing the setback stance. Also, it might feel more comfortable to widen it by just a little bit like that. But if you did feel you needed to widen it more than that, but still wanted to increase the setback, then you could leave the front binding where it is and move the back binding back 2 holes. This would then be quite a lot more setback, but doable if you’re in plenty of powder.

      Hope this helps and gives you some options for widening your stance.

      Reply

76. Richard says

    February 15, 2018 at 12:28 am

    Hi Nate,

    A bit late to the party with this article, but any advice you could give would be appreciated. After being boarding a few times I have been looking at what board to buy. I am 5’4-5’5, 62kg/135lbs, wear size 8 boots and do a bit of everything on the slopes.

    I was considering the YES basic and Capita Horrorscope in your article, although I was wondering if the latter may be slightly too park orientated for me. What length would you recommend – 146cm or 149m in the basic? 147cm in the horrorscope? Are there any other Capita boards you would recommend that come in a suitable size – is the DOA too advanced?

    Thanks in advance,

    Richard

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 15, 2018 at 1:50 pm

      Hi Richard

      Thanks for your message.

      If you went for the Basic, I would go for the 146 for you. I think something around 145, 146 would be a good size for you to look at as a beginner. When you’re more advanced you could start looking at boards around 149cm but for now that would be a bit long for you, IMO.

      If you went Horrorscope, I’d say the 145cm would be the best option. You could also get on the 147, but I’d go 145. The Horrorscope is very park oriented for sure. If you thought you might ride the park at some stage, this is the kind of board you can learn the basics on and then once you upgrade to a more all-mountain oriented board, this is one you can keep and use as your specialist park board. If you don’t think you’ll have any interest in the park, then this is still a good beginner board – but it’s probably something you would end up selling once you’re more advanced, if you weren’t interested in the park.

      In terms of other Capita options, I’d say the next best beginner option is the Outerspace Living. It’s a little stiffer than ideal for a true beginner board – but otherwise is good for beginners. The other thing is that you’d have to go 150 (the shortest it comes in) – which I think you could ride at some stage, but think it would be too long for right now.

      The DOA is too advanced for beginners, IMO.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

77. Craig says

    February 18, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    Hi Nate. You our website is a godsend. Thank you!

    There is so much marketing mumbo jumbo to navigate through with regard to finding an appropriate beginner snowboard that I was beginning to get discouraged. Then I somehow stumbled upon your site and now feel I have a decent grasp of the differences between the various board types.

    I am a 47 year old beginner who lives on the east coast. I’m just shy of 5’ 7” and fluctuate between 147 & 157 lbs. I typically wear a size 8 shoe. I am just looking to progress to the point where I can make it down the mountain at a reasonable, but not fast, speed without falling. I don’t particularly see myself progressing beyond the intermediate level.

    From reading your site I am assuming you would recommend for me the Yes Basic 149? If so, are there one or two other comparable options to cross shop? I am not opposed to buying used to save some money and that would limit my choices.

    Thanks again and I’m really enjoying your site.

    Best,
    Craig

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    • Nate says

      February 19, 2018 at 10:49 am

      Hi Craig

      Thanks for your message.

      Yeah, YES Basic 149 would be my first thought for you in terms of a good intermediate board that’s also good in hard/icy conditions. I would say anything from 149 to 152 would be a good range to look at in terms of length for you – so you could either go 149 or 152 with the Basic – which opens out your options a little.

      The same goes for the YES Typo – which would also be a suitable choice, IMO. And also comes in a 149 & 152.

      Staying within YES (which are usually good in hard/icy conditions), the Libre 152 is also an option – though if you went used it would probably be hard to find as it was only introduced this season.

      The Never Summer Snowtrooper 152 is another good option. Not as good in hard/icy as the YES options above but still ok.

      Slash Happy Place 149 or 152 – again not quite as good in terms of hard/icy edge-hold as the YES’s but better than average.

      A couple of other options that work well with Hard/Icy conditions that are also beginner suitable:

      ~ Lib Tech Skate Banana (though this is quite a loose feeling board, if that appeals to you then good but if not, then it’s probably not suitable).
      ~ GNU Carbon Credit 150 (also very loose – so ditto above)

      Hope this gives you some more options.

      Reply

      • Craig says

        February 28, 2018 at 8:24 am

        Thanks again Nate. None of my local shops had any of the boards you recommended, but I was able to get a good deal on the #2 recommendation in your blog post, the K2 Standard 152 (including K2 Sonic bindings).

        Reply

        • Nate says

          February 28, 2018 at 11:24 am

          Hi Craig

          Thanks for the follow up. Let me know how they go on snow once you’ve had a chance to test them out.

          Reply

78. Bryan says

    February 19, 2018 at 4:51 am

    Hi Nate,

    I’ve never been snowboarding but I am about to take some lessons. At the slopes they have Burton learn to ride gear for rental. I’m debating whether or not to buy everything now so I can learn on gear that I’m going to be using for a while. I was looking around for Salomon sight and came across the Salamon sight SE, which says it is a special edition for beginners. Would you recommend the SE version over the regular?
    I’m around 5’2, wear a size 8, and my weight fluctuates between 130-140. What size do you recommend?
    Thanks in advance.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 19, 2018 at 1:11 pm

      Hi Bryan

      Thanks for your message.

      As far as I know the only difference between the Sight SE and the Sight is that the SE (special edition) is that the SE has a different graphic. Both boards are suitable for beginners.

      In terms of length, generally speaking I would say something around 148 for your specs, if you were an advanced rider – but as a beginner, it’s a good idea to ride something shorter – as a rule of thumb taking off 3-5cm. Which would put you in the 143 to 145 range. So the closest size to that for the Sight is the 147. I think you would be ok on the 147, but ideally a little shorter. But if you do go with the Sight (or Sight SE) then definitely the 147.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Bryan says

        February 19, 2018 at 3:59 pm

        Should I choose a different board that has smaller sizes? Which one would you suggest? I’m having trouble finding boards that go that small that aren’t kids’ or womens’.

        Reply

      • Bryan says

        February 20, 2018 at 10:15 am

        Thanks for the quick response. Would you recommend I get a different board like the Burton Instigator that has a 145?

        Reply

        • Nate says

          February 20, 2018 at 2:03 pm

          Hi Bryan

          I think you would get away with the Sight in the 147, but ideally 145 would be better. The 145 Instigator would be a good option, IMO. That or the Rossignol Circuit 145.

          Reply

79. John says

    February 21, 2018 at 9:15 am

    Hi Nate,

    I had my first snowboard lesson yesterday and I loved it. I’m 64 years old, male, 5′-10″, 225 lbs, reasonably athletic, wear a size 10 boot, and did pretty good yesterday in combining turns. The instructor put me on a 155 rental Burton. I asked why he didn’t go longer and he said the shorter board was easier to maneuver.

    Anyway, I was looking at buying a board and like your advice says, I’m only looking for a board for the rest of this season and next year, then I’ll buy a different board when I progress up.

    I’m interested in the best board and budget is not a main consideration. I want to progress fast.

    I know I’m heavy for my height. What board and size do you recommend?

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 21, 2018 at 1:35 pm

      Hi John

      Thanks for your message.

      A shorter board is easier to maneuver but I think you could go a little bit longer. I think something around 156 to 158 would be a good range to look at. If you think you’ll be more comfortable on a 155 again, then you could go on that, but I think a little longer is the best bet. Don’t want to go too long yet, but I think that 156 to 158 would be a good starting range.

      So, one of the following would be a good bet, IMO:

      ~ K2 Standard 158
      ~ Salomon Sight 156
      ~ Rome Mechanic 156
      ~ Ride Agenda 158

      But if you wanted the closest feeling to the what you had your lesson on then the 155 Burton Instigator would provide that. So that’s an option too. And if you were happy to go with 155 again, the Rossignol Circuit and Rossignol District would also be good options.

      Hope this helps and gives you some options to consider

      Reply

80. chris says

    February 24, 2018 at 2:07 pm

    Hi Nate, thanks so much for making this post it has done wonders for me progressing.

    I purchased a Rossignol circuit and the learning curve has been great! I am currently riding blues and linking turns well. I am looking into upgrading to my next board to keep up my progression. The Circuit feels a little washy on hard carves at speed. I was looking at the Never Summer proto 2 or snowtrooper. Do you feel that would be a good choice for intermediate level or is there something else that comes to mind?? Also, What size range? I have been looking at the 153-155 range.

    I am 5’10” 170 lbs. Size 10 boot.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 26, 2018 at 1:12 pm

      Hi Chris

      Thanks for your message. Great to hear you’ve been progressing well.

      Both the Snowtrooper and the Proto Type Two (PT2) are good intermediate options in my opinion, with the Proto Type Two being more of a step up, but probably the nest option between the two for you, IMO. But some things to keep in mind:

      1. The PT2 is the better carver of the two, IMO – so if you’re looking to develop that, then that’s going to be the best choice. The Snowtrooper still a step up in that respect compared to the Circuit but not as good as the PT2.

      2. The Snowtrooper is the better (i.e. less effort to keep the nose afloat) in powder of the two, IMO.

      3. The PT2 is better in terms of speed, riding switch, jumps and just overall a more dynamic board.

      You could also look at the following for some more options:

      >>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards

      >>My Top All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards

      In terms of length, I would say something in the range between 155cm and 157cm, for your specs and ability, in general. The Proto Type Two is something you can size down for though, so you could 154 with that one. The Snowtrooper, I’d say the 156.

      Width-wise, for your boot size I would say to look at something in the range of 254mm to 259mm in terms of waist width, if you have fairly straight back binding angles (e.g. 0-3 degrees) and between 247mm to 257mm at the waist if you have a more angled back binding [i.e. 12-15 degrees]. Add a couple of mms if you like to carve deep and take off a couple off mm if you have low profile boots (e.g. Adidas, Burton, Ride and Vans). For the Proto Type Two it is recommended to ride with a mirror-duck stance – so something like +15/-15 is a good way to go on that board anyway, so that would mean you could get on the 154 fine, if that’s the length you wanted to go with.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

81. Kritt says

    February 25, 2018 at 7:37 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Thanks for the great advice.
    I started snowboarding this year, took 5 lessons and I really enjoy it. I would like to get my own board for the rest of season and next year, but I’m still not sure about the board length.

    I’m 5’8” and 143 lbs and interesting it Rossignol Circuit because of its price. But it only has 150 and 155 cm. Which one I should go?

    Thanks in advance.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 26, 2018 at 3:22 pm

      Hi Kritt

      I think I answered this on the facebook page for you, but let me know if you have any other questions.

      Reply

82. Dimiter says

    February 28, 2018 at 1:09 am

    Hi Nate,

    thank you for a really competent website and advice. i have my own salomon sight 158 w (94 kg, 1 85 cm. 10.5 us, could get in 10 for some models ) . I have been progressing fast and while still a beginner I am looking for a narrower all mountain board mainly for next season. i won ‘t be doing any park stuff, trying powder and switch could be of interest in near future. any recommendation? i have been looking for yes typo or capita outerspace living? what would be your choice between the two? anything else to consider? what about size?
    many thanks in advance

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 28, 2018 at 10:54 am

      Hi Dimiter

      Thanks for your message.

      I think both the Typo and Outerspace Living would be good options to progress up to. The Outerspace Living is what I would call an all-mountain-freestyle board but it’s got a little more of an all-mountain feel than some other all-mountain-freestyle decks – on the all-mountain side of the spectrum. The Typo is what I would call an all-mountain board, but it’s on the more freestyle end of all-mountain boards – which makes them relatively similar in that sense, if that makes sense.

      The Typo has a bit of a setback stance but it’s very subtle (just 5mm). I’d say that the Outerspace Living is margianally stiffer, in my experience, but there’s very little difference. I’d say Typo 4.5/10 and Outerspace Living 5/10. Both are very versatile boards.

      In terms of size, I would say 158 for the Outerspace Living and also 158 for the Typo. They are both very similar in terms of width – and will be a little narrower overall, and particularly at the waist, than the 158W Sight. With 10s you shouldn’t any problem width-wise on them and even with 10.5s you shouldn’t have any problems with them – but they might be pushing too narrow if you have too straight a back binding angle (e.g. 0-3 degrees) but otherwise should still be fine – and as a beginner, you would probably get away with a straight back foot even in 10.5s, if you aren’t getting too high up on your edges yet.

      You could also go up to the 160 for the Outerspace Living in terms of length – but it wouldn’t really be narrower overall than your 158W Sight and since you’re looking for something narrower, the 158 would be the better size.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

83. Tiago says

    February 28, 2018 at 9:12 am

    Hi Nate,

    I was looking for some info on boards on the internet and came across your page – what a superb site with loads of relevant info, well done!

    Right, so this is why I’m getting in touch… I have been snowboarding for 5 years now, only get to go away to the Alps for 2 weeks per winter. So I’d say I’m competent but not the biggest daredevil out there. For these years I’ve rented a board every time, getting anything from manageable to absolutely horrendous to the point of almost spoiling my holiday. I was in Alpe d’Huez a couple of weeks ago and so happened that the board I rented was a Burton LTR – now as you may well know, the LTR stands for “Learn To Ride” and is a beginners board that Burton does purely for the rental market and not for the general public. Although I was a bit apprehensive about renting and riding something so “basic” I had the best experience ever, after all these years! The board was a rocker which meant it was really playful and catch-free – which in turn made me more confident and more adventurous with my riding. Possibly the confidence boost I needed. So after returning from that holiday I got in touch with Burton who confirmed that the LTR is not available for public sale, although they recommended the Ripcord as being quite similar.
    I am now determined that instead of continuing to rent boards, the way to go is to buy my own board – but I want something as playful and catch- free as the board I got in Alpe d’Huez to make sure I keep enjoying boarding more and more. And this is where your advice will be useful – what board should I get? I think I’ve narrowed it down to three contenders… 2018 Burton Ripcord (154?) £199 / 2018 Burton Instigator (155?) / 2018 Burton Process Flying V (152 or 155?) £259

    Here’s a bit of info to make sure you get the full picture:
    1.77m tall / 76kgs
    regular +15/-6
    I have a pair of 2017 Burton Ruler size 9UK
    bindings: Burton Freestyle Snowboard Binding (mariner green) size M which I’ve just bought for £94
    I ride mostly on-piste, All Mountain board would be the most suitable.

    What would be your recommendation and why? What size?
    I’m heading to Val Thorens in 10 days (this will hopefully be the last time I rent a board) and once I get back I’m hoping to make my mind up and purchase one of the above. In my mind the Ripcord is a strong contender – for its easy going characteristics (flat base + rocker at tips) plus its price point.

    Really appreciate your help.

    Thanks,

    Tiago

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 28, 2018 at 12:28 pm

      Hi Tiago

      Thanks for your message.

      Normally I would say that you’d be in a position to go with the Process Flying V – and I still think you could – but based on your intention to get the most playful and catch-free thing you can – and the closest to the Burton LTR you can – then I would say that the Instigator or the Ripcord are your best bets.

      The Ripcord and Instigator are quite similar in a few ways – they’re both soft flexing, both have the same camber profile (flat to rocker) and both have a similar shape. Both the Ripcord and Instigator have a directional shape – but the Instigator has a twin flex, and the Ripcord has a directional flex. So the Ripcord is a little more directional than the Instigator. They both have a setback stance of 25mm – so neither are ideal for learning switch but the Instigator is just that little bit easier to learn riding switch if that’s something you were thinking of at any point. Otherwise, there’s really not a lot between them. If I had to choose I would say the Instigator though – it’s just a little more versatile.

      In terms of sizing I would say anything around 154 to 156 would be a good length range for you – so I agree with your size choices – Ripcord 154, Instigator 155 & if you did go process Flying V, then the 155 would be your best bet, IMO. With UK 9s and Burton boots, any of those widths are going to work well, IMO.

      Hope this helps and hope you enjoy your trip and your new board once you get it!

      Reply

84. Normen says

    March 6, 2018 at 9:55 am

    Hey Nate, wow what a page! Well done. Really helpful for a noob.
    The only thing I am struggling with is the width of the board, I am 6’0/(kinda athletic) 220lbs/size11. I guess I need a wide board? Also, I am someone who buys a wine by its label so I really like the Burton style. So do you recommend the Burton Instigator 160W for my size?
    Thanks and cheers from Basel, Switzerland

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 6, 2018 at 12:23 pm

      Hi Normen

      Thanks for your message.

      I think something around that 160 mark (anything 159 to 161) would be a good length for you as a beginner – and the Instigator is a great beginner board, so the 160 Instigator is a good choice for you, IMO.

      The only question is really around the width – with size 11 (and I’m assuming US11), you’re kind of on the cusp between wide and regular.

      There are a lot of factors that can affect the width that’s right for you, but the main ones are binding angles and the profile of the boots you choose.

      Binding Angles: with normal profile boots I would say width-wise, for your boot size I would say to look at something in the range of 254mm to 264mm in terms of waist width, if you ride with a reasonably angled back binding (i.e. 12-15 degrees) and between 261mm and 266mm at the waist, if you ride with a fairly straight back binding angle (i.e. 0-3 degrees).

      Low Profile Boots: Some boots have a lower profile outer-sole compared to others. Of the brands that I deal with Adidas, Burton, Ride and Vans have the lowest profile outer-sole. In that case you can treat your boots as if they were around a half size smaller.

      For more details on estimating waist width, see:

      >>Snowboard Width Sizing

      So, if you ride with a reasonable angle on your back foot, then the 160 would be the better bet, and if you have low profile boots, then the 160 would also be doable, even with straighter angles. Otherwise the 160W would be the better option.

      If you mean UK11s rather than US11s, then ignore all of that and go with the 160W.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Normen says

        March 7, 2018 at 5:13 am

        Thanks so much for your quick reply, super helpful !!!

        Reply

        • Nate says

          March 7, 2018 at 10:42 am

          You’re very welcome!

          Reply

          • Normen says

            March 19, 2018 at 3:06 am

            Hey Nate, I ended up with a 2018 Burton 159W Flying V, 2018 Burton Cartel Bindings and some really cool Adidas Tactical ADV Boots. I think I’m gonna love Winter from now on 🙂

            Thanks again for your great advice.

          • Nate says

            March 19, 2018 at 11:54 am

            You’re very welcome Normen. Yep, you’re going to look forward to winter every year now! Hope the gear treats you well and let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to ride with it

85. Jacob says

    March 8, 2018 at 6:14 am

    Hello Nate,

    Thanks for awesome buying advice!

    Could you help me choose my first snowboard? Im 170cm and 62kg. I was standing on snowboard 2 times before and I really liked it.
    I was looking at K2 Standard and Salomon Sight. Can they last for longer time? Will one of these be good after I become better on it? Or should I choose something more advanced?
    Thanks.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 9, 2018 at 4:22 pm

      Hi Jacob

      Thanks for your message.

      In my opinion, the fastest way to progress is to get on something that’s super easy to progress on – and then, when you’re ready upgrade to something that can take you to the next stage. However, I understand that not everyone is willing to go through the process of buying another snowboard after 1 to 3 seasons (depending on how many days you ride in a season and how fast you progress) – or want the expense of it/the hassle of selling their old board. In which case, I still wouldn’t go too advanced – but there are some boards that are a good compromise of being easy to progress on but still suitable for a more advanced level.

      Unfortunately I wouldn’t consider the K2 Standard or Salomon Sight to be one of those boards. They’re the kind of boards, IMO, that you would likely want to upgrade from once you become more advanced.

      Some good compromises, IMO, of boards that will last you longer would be:

      ~ YES Typo
      ~ Never Summer Snowtrooper
      ~ Capita Outerspace Living
      ~ Burton Process Flying V

      These aren’t strictly the only options but are really good options, IMO.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

86. Calvin Kwan says

    March 10, 2018 at 6:20 pm

    Nate,

    I’m a beginner trying to make the transition from skiing. I go mainly with my family to the Poconos/PA area. I’m trying to figure out what would be best as a first time snowboarder. I made an impulse purchase last year and bought a Burton Blunt 163W and Burton Ruler Wide boots in US12 (thought snowboard boots were same size as regular shoes). Since then, I’ve realized that the boots are too large as they packed out and are too roomy now and the board just felt too large and loose for me.

    I have since purchased Burton Ruler Wide boots in US10.5 that fit much more snugly as they should. I’m searching for a better board to learn and something that I can progress on and was referred to a NS Snowtrooper by the local shop. I’m not sure on what size would be best for me. I’m thinking 160W, but would appreciate your input as well as if you believe there are any better boards to look at.

    I am 5’9″, weigh 240lbs, and in a US10.5 Burton Ruler Wide boot.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 12, 2018 at 11:54 am

      Hi Calvin

      Thanks for your message.

      I think the Never Summer Snowtrooper would be a good option. It’s a good board to learn on, IMO, but can also take you past that beginner phase. It’s also pretty good in hard/icy conditions that you are likely to experience a fair bit in PA. Certainly should give better edge-hold than the Blunt in harder/icy conditions.

      In terms of size, I think something around 158 to 160 would be a good beginner size for you – and going to the latter end of that range, is a good idea, given that it sounds like you a have some riding under your belt and that you can ski. So something around 160 is a great option, IMO. However, I don’t think you need to go wide, now that you are in 10.5s. Especially in Burton’s (which have a lower profile than average outer-sole). I think even if you ride with a relatively straight back binding, you would get on the 159. And even the 162 would be a better match than the 160W, IMO. Just that it’s getting on the wide side for 10.5s. If you ride with a bit of angle on your back binding, then I’d definitely say don’t go wide.

      So yeah, I would go 159 or 162, rather than 160W. But I agree that the Snowtrooper is likely a good option.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Calvin Kwan says

        March 15, 2018 at 9:34 am

        Thanks Nate. That helps a lot. I’ve ordered a 159 along with some Burton Cartel bindings as I think that might be best for the icy conditions we have here. Should get here mid next week and hoping to get on the mountain next weekend to try it out.

        Reply

        • Nate says

          March 15, 2018 at 4:24 pm

          You’re very welcome Calvin. Let me know how you get on once you’ve had a chance to ride it.

          Reply

          • Calvin Kwan says

            March 26, 2018 at 7:52 pm

            Just wanted to follow up with an update. Was able to get out to Shawnee Mountain this past Saturday and the NS Snowtrooper was great. I felt so much more confident with the board and made some good progress. Even my wife was impressed with the progress so I think I made the right choice.

            Thanks again for the assistance.

            Calvin

          • Nate says

            March 27, 2018 at 10:08 am

            Hi Calvin

            Thanks for the update. Awesome to hear that the Snowtrooper is going well for you!

87. Eric says

    March 18, 2018 at 8:57 am

    Ho there, great web site by the way, you must have a lot of work put into it! As a returning casual snowboarder from 15 years ago, I’m returning on the slopes this year and was considering a board that I did not see on you site. I’m a 6 foot tall 205 lbs rider wearing 12 size boots.

    After many hours of read8ng and going into différents shops, a sale guy showed me a 2018 Arbor Black Element 162MW and I really like the sober style of it. This with union flite pro bindings that brings me on your site and since you put the #1 for beginners this year I’m curious how you see them in relation with the Arbor black element…

    Riding will mostly be in the ski resort like groomed and having fun on the sides of the slope with my two starting kids (7 and 10) and my GF…

    Thanks a lot

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 18, 2018 at 11:24 am

      Hi Eric

      Thanks for your message.

      I think the Element Black is probably a good option for you. I rode the 2019 Arbor Element (non-black) and it’s a pretty easy going board, that would be a good ride for a casual rider, for the groomers and for someone coming back into the sport – and the Element Black is supposed to be just a little softer flexing. I found the Element felt like a 6/10, which is how they rate it, so I suspect that the Element Black would feel like the 5/10 flex they rate it to be. I would usually say a little softer for a beginner but since you aren’t a beginner but just coming back into, I think that’s a good flex, and you’ll likely get back into it quickly and appreciate that little bit of extra stiffness – but certainly still very easy going and the rocker system is a nice fun, easy going ride too.

      In terms of size, I would say 163 at an advanced level and I’d usually say take off at least 3cm for a beginner, but again, as a returning rider, rather than beginner, I think the 162MW should be fine – and yeah with 12s, that width should be all good too.

      In terms of bindings though, I would go for something a little stiffer flexing than the Flite Pro, to better match the flex of the board. So, something with around a 5/10 flex as well. If a binding is too soft for the board, I find it can sometimes have trouble tranferring enough power in there.

      If you wanted to stay Union and stay on the more budget end of their pricing, then the STR would be a better match to the Element Black, IMO.

      You can also check out the following, though price hasn’t been taken into account in this list:

      >>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings

      If you want some more lower cost binding options, let me know, but yeah Union STR would work well, IMO, if you’re looking to keep costs low.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

88. Ching says

    March 21, 2018 at 2:40 am

    Hi there Nate,

    Really great site man…

    Let me do the basics :
    Weight : 70kg
    Height : 167cm
    Shoe Size : US 9
    Experience : Total Beginner, tried snowboarding once and loved it (rental equipment then)

    I recently went to Japan to shop for a snowboard..I almost got the following combo :

    Board : K2 Standard 147 (2017 Model); Price @ 27K Yen (~USD254)
    Bindings : K2 Lien FS @ 20k yen (~USD188)
    Boots : Burton Moto Speed lace @ 20k yen (~USD188); size @ 25.5

    Questions :
    1) K2 Standard is a Directional board, will this be an issue to beginners?
    2) Am I right to not take the 147? Should I take 152 or 155? (they only had stock for 2018’s model for an additional ~USD50).
    3) The combo with K2 Lien FS & Burton Moto, is it alright?
    4) Is the price right?
    5) Which country is generally the best place to buy equipment cheaper, can’t seem to find that info in your site. Currently based in Malaysia which sucks… no snow!

    Thanks loads man, seriously your site is awesome!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 21, 2018 at 4:07 pm

      Hi Ching

      Thanks for your message.

      1) Directional isn’t an issue for beginners for riding in your natural direction, but if you were wanting to learn to ride switch straight away, it will make it more difficult learning switch than a true twin board with a centered stance, but you can still definitely learn to ride switch on the Standard (directional twin and setback 20mm), just won’t be as ideal as learning it on a centered, true twin.

      2) In terms of length, generally speaking I would say something around 153, 154 for your specs, if you we’re an advanced rider, but taking off 3-5cm as a beginner is highly recommended. So, something around 148 to 151 would be ideal. So, 147 and 152 are both doable sizes for sure – it would just depend – the 147 will be an easier board to turn on initially as you progress, but the 152 will be more stable at speed and be more suitable once you are a more advanced rider. If you want the board to stay with you for a long time, the 152 is probably the better bet, but if you would be willing to upgrade relatively soon, the 147 would be fine for learning on.

      3) Lien FS and Motos are great bindings/boots for beginners, IMO and would compliment the Standard well, IMO

      4) Those prices sound reasonable to me. From a quick bit of research I found them in the US with the following prices:

      a. K2 Standard (2018 model) = $297 (if you’re 2018 model is $50 more than the 254, then it would be $304, which is pretty close)
      b. K2 Lien FS (2018) = $199
      c. Burton Moto (2018) = $204

      5) I’m not really sure where is the cheapest country to buy. I think the US probably, but I’m only guessing.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Ching says

        March 21, 2018 at 8:17 pm

        Hi Nate,

        Thank you so much for the reply! Definitely a great help!

        Most probably I’ll head down Tokyo a few days earlier to get the stuff before I go snowboarding. The prices seems reasonable for K2 stuff in Japan, other bigger names seems super expensive.

        If I do that, do I have to detune or wax (machine or hand?) the board before I hit the slopes?

        Reply

        • Nate says

          March 22, 2018 at 3:27 pm

          Hi Ching

          I wouldn’t detune unless you are going to be riding a lot of boxes/rails. If you get hard snow (which you might not get in Japan, if the legends are true [somewhere I’ve never been but would love to go!] then having sharp edges is nice to have.

          And waxing would depend. Usually you should be ok on a new board, just with the factory wax, at least for a couple of days, but sometimes if the board has been sitting around a long time (like a 2017 model), then a fresh wax can help.

          For more on waxing a new snowboard, check out the following:

          >>Do I need to Wax a New Snowboard?

          I personally only ever do a hot wax, rather than a rub on wax, just because the rub on just doesn’t last long and you’ve got to re-wax so soon again. A machine wax, like a belt wax, as far as I’m aware, is the equivalent of a rub on wax – but maybe a little better as there might be a bit of heat applied which helps the wax absorb. But as far as I know a hand wax with an iron is going to be a better wax and last longer. But there might be a type of machine wax that does a better job that I’m not aware of.

          Reply

          • Ching says

            March 24, 2018 at 9:11 am

            Japan’s show is awesome man.. it’s soooo flulffyyy…maybe the correct term would be powdery..

            Can’t compare with the rest of the world as I’ve never been anywhere else..haha

            Yeah man.. been reading from your waxing page.. n your binding configuration.. stance page.. almost your whole site.. haha..

            Can’t wait for end of the year/early next year to get my set-up n go boarding!

            Thanks heaps dude.. will update on the set-up i end up with and how it feels like for a newbie like me

            Cheers man! Try Japan! You won’t regret it.. i was in a a place called Nozawa-Onsen

          • Nate says

            March 24, 2018 at 10:10 am

            Hey Ching

            You’re making me want to go to Japan even more now!

            Yeah, definitely let me know what you end up going for and how you find it once you’ve had a chance to test it out.

89. James says

    March 21, 2018 at 4:53 am

    Hi Nate
    Great page, I’ve read through so many of your posts, hopefully you’ll be able to help me.
    I’ve just started snowboarding, I can link turns and feel quite confident. I primarily ride piste but have done some powder. I’ve not been in the park or off a jump.. yet.
    I typically hope to ride at least once a year for a week in europe possible more times if money and holidays allow it.
    I’d like a board which I can take out each year and not struggle on but also something I can progress on.
    I have been borrowing a 2007 Ride DH 157cm. Quite a lot of camber and mid flex, the board is rated as intermediate to advanced which I though was too advance for me but I really like this board and got on really well with it so I would like something similar.
    I am 183cm, 89kg size 9.5 burton boot
    I’ve been looking at soooo many boards 🙂 I’d like to stick with Ride but I don’t want a flat camber.
    I’ve looked at:
    Capita Defenders Of Awesome 2018
    Capita Outerspace Living
    Never Summer West

    Any ideas? Are you able to help recommend something 🙂

    Many Thanks

    James

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 21, 2018 at 4:25 pm

      Hi James

      Thanks for your message.

      Some people do just get on with Camber. Also, I would say that 157 is on the smaller size for you (which is a good idea when you’re starting out) which will make it an easier going ride compared to the same board in say a 162. Generally speaking in terms of size, I’d say something between 157 and 159 would be a good bet for you, as a progressing beginner, but as a more advanced rider you could be riding more like 161, 162 (if you wanted to, but personal preference also comes into it.

      But, I would say if you do stick with something quite camber dominant, that you also stick to the shorter end of your length range.

      The closest equivalents to the DH in the Ride line would be the Helix, Burnout and the Machete GT – but I would probably stay away from the Burnout at this stage. Given that you like the DH, the Helix or Machete GT would be doable for you – but I’d stick with the 157 for both, if you went for them.

      The Outerspace Living would be a good call too – more forgiving than the DH for sure, but still camber under the feet and between the feet with rocker starting towards tip and tail. Size-wise, the 158 would be the best bet there.

      The Never Summer West is more all-mountain (the others that I mentioned and the DH are all all-mountain-freestyle) – it has a directional twin shape and a setback stance. But that means it will be better in powder. But definitely a different feel to something like the DH. And it’s rocker between the feet and camber under the feet and towards tip and tail. 159 would be the best size for this board for you, IMO.

      Capita DOA is mostly camber with some flat sections (and a small bit of rocker) – so since you like camber, by the sounds of it – it’s certainly also an option. 158 would be your best size, IMO. Though you could go 156 on this board too, if you wanted it to feel a bit more easy going.

      Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision

      Reply

      • James says

        March 22, 2018 at 3:45 am

        Hi Nate
        Thanks for you reply and coming back to me so quickly. I popped to my local snowboard shop last night and had a look at a few boards and the ones that kept coming out top were the Jones All Mountain Twin and the Huck Kinfe.
        I think I prefered the jones board but the chap in the shop suggested the 158cm Wide variant. What do you think? I wasn’t sure I’d ever want to go for a wide version…?
        Thanks
        James

        Reply

        • Nate says

          March 22, 2018 at 3:36 pm

          Hi James

          In my opinion, you shouldn’t go wide with Burton 9.5s. The Mountain Twin wide models are quite narrow as far as wides usually go, so it wouldn’t be ridiculously wide for you. But the 157 would still be the better width for you for that board, IMO. I recently rode the 2019 model for the Ultra Mountain Twin (which is the same dimensions as the Mountain Twin) in the 157 and it’s plenty wide enough at the inserts (I ride 10s). In fact looking at my notes, if you ride it at the reference stance it’s actually 268mm at the back insert and 265mm at the front insert, which is wide at the inserts for a 253mm waist). I rode it with a 560mm stance width (as the 600mm reference stance is wider than I prefer, but even at that narrower stance, it was still 266mm back insert and 263mm front insert, which is still on the wider side for a 253mm waist. I usually ride boards that are between 258mm and 268mm at the inserts and have never had any issues. (sorry that was probably more info than you needed!)

          So I think going 158W would be too wide to be optimal, even if it does run narrow for a wide.

          I think Mountain Twin would be a good option for you – but definitely 157, not 158W, IMO.

          Reply

          • James says

            March 25, 2018 at 1:25 pm

            Hi Nate

            Thanks again for your reply, I’ve discounted going wide now so going to stick with normal. But just one final question…. Why do you suggest I go for a 157 when a 160 is more for my weight range? 🙂

            Many thanks for all your advice, this is so helpful and been the best advice I’ve had also the fact that your not a snowboard shop just trying to sell me whats in stock! 🙂

            Thanks
            James

          • Nate says

            March 26, 2018 at 1:24 pm

            Hi James

            I’d say 157, because I think it’s going to be the best balance in terms of width/length. Also, as a beginner/intermediate rider it’s a good idea to go a little shorter, IMO. Which is why I’d put you on a range of 157-159. You could certainly go to the edge of that range, as it sounds like you’re progressing really well, and so the 160 is definitely doable for you, I would say, but on balance in terms of ability, height, weight and width, I think the 157 is on balance likely to be the better option – but the 160 is close too. As an advanced rider you could even go 162 for this board, but for now, I think that would be too long.

            The 160 is certainly doable for you, so if you think you’d prefer to go longer now so you have a board that can stay with you for longer, that’s an option, but it will just be a steeper learning curve to start with. Weight recommendations aren’t hard and fast rulers, IMO, they are guidelines and other factors come into it.

            Hope this helps with your decision

90. Mariano says

    March 26, 2018 at 9:26 am

    Hi Nate,
    This list is great! Thank you very much!

    I wanted to ask you about my choice:

    I’m 160 cm height and weight 56 kg, my foot size is 8 US and I think I’m at the beginning of the intermediate level (I’m comfortable linking turns smoothly).

    I’ve choose to buy the Rossignol Circuit 145cm but don’t know if it’s more for beginners.

    Do you recommend me this board? Do you know a better one for me? Also, what do you think about the size?

    Thanks again!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 26, 2018 at 1:50 pm