The following 10 boards are what we consider to be the best women's snowboards for intermediate riders for the 2024-2025 season.
These boards are chosen for being easy enough to ride for a high-end beginner/low end intermediate rider - but have that little bit more performance than a typical beginner board to take you through to a more advanced level.
Price has not been considered in the ratings.
#10: YES Women's Basic
Flex: Mid-Soft (3.5/10)
FEEL: stable
Style of Board: All-Mountain-Freestyle
INTERMEDIATE rating score: 85.3/100
Starting off the list at #10 is the YES Women's Basic.
The Women's Basic is one of those boards that anyone from beginner to advanced can ride and enjoy. For the more advanced rider it takes on more of a freestyle focus. But as a beginner to intermediate rider it's also a great board for progressing your everyday riding on.
Also a great option for those that see hard/icy conditions often.
It's the equal lowest priced board on this list too, so it's also a good option for those on a lower budget.
Score Breakdown for the Women's Basic
FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
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Flex Score | 4.5 | 18/20 |
Turning Ease | 4.5 | 18/20 |
Versatility | 4 | 8/10 |
Category Score | 82.6 | 41.3/50 |
TOTAL (after normalizing): | 85.3/100 |
#9: GNU Velvet
Flex: mid-soft (4/10)
FEEL: semi-loose
Style of Board: All-Mountain-Freestyle
INTERMEDIATE rating score: 85.6/100
Next up at #9, we have GNU's Velvet.
The Velvet is one of those boards that's nice and easy to ride but has that extra bit of performance when you need it, as you start to progress.
It's also nice and versatile, which is great for anyone looking for a one-board-quiver or if you're still not sure what style of riding you're going to evolve into yet.
Score Breakdown for the Velvet
FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
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Flex Score | 4.5 | 18/20 |
Turning Ease | 4.5 | 18/20 |
Versatility | 4 | 8/10 |
Category Score | 83.1 | 41.55/50 |
TOTAL (after normalizing): | 85.6/100 |
#8: Capita Space Metal Fantasy
Flex: mid-soft (4/10)
FEEL: Stable
Style of Board: freestyle
INTERMEDIATE rating score: 86.4/100
Capita's Space Metal Fantasy is great for anyone who mostly rides freestyle or is looking for a board to learn freestyle on. Or as a second board for someone who has another board for other things and wants a freestyle deck to progress in the park with.
Along with #10 above, it's the equal lowest priced board on this list, so will put a bit of a smaller dent in the wallet too.
Score Breakdown for the Space Metal Fantasy
FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
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Flex Score | 4.5 | 18/20 |
Turning Ease | 5 | 20/20 |
Versatility | 3 | 6/10 |
Category Score | 84.8 | 42.4/50 |
TOTAL (after normalizing): | 86.4/100 |
#7: YES Menace
Flex: mid-soft (3.5/10)
FEEL: Semi-Loose
Style of Board: Freestyle
INTERMEDIATE rating score: 86.6/100
New for 2025, after Lobster merged with YES. snowboards, the YES Menace is a fun playful option that will help any intermediate rider progress their freestyle riding and inspire creativity.
A great option as part of a quiver as the freestyle board to help you progress your freestyle riding, to pair with a more all-mountain/freeride board.
Or if your style is leading towards being more creative/freestyle oriented, then the Menace could even be your one-board quiver, especially with it's versatility being boosted by being better than your average freestyle deck in powder.
Score Breakdown for the Menace
FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
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Flex Score | 3.5 | 14/20 |
Turning Ease | 5 | 20/20 |
Versatility | 4 | 8/10 |
Category Score | 89.1 | 44.55/50 |
TOTAL (after normalizing): | 86.6/100 |
#6: Rossignol Airis
Flex: Medium (5/10)
FEEL: stable
Style of Board: all-mountain
INTERMEDIATE rating score: 86.6/100
Coming in at #6, we have the Rossignol Airis.
Easy to ride, but with a bit of extra performance for when you start to progress - and very versatile - definitely a one-board-quiver option with this one.
Just a regular but well built snowboard, that can do a bit of everything and feels very consistent and predictable.
Score Breakdown for the Airis
FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
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Flex Score | 5 | 20/20 |
Turning Ease | 4 | 16/20 |
Versatility | 4.5 | 9/10 |
Category Score | 83.1 | 41.55/50 |
TOTAL (after normalizing): | 86.6/100 |
#5: Jones Women's Tweaker
Flex: medium (4.5/10)
FEEL: Semi-Loose
Style of Board: all-mountain-freestyle
INTERMEDIATE rating score: 86.8/100
The Women's Tweaker, new for 2025, is a great option for those looking for something fun and playful.
It's great for getting creative and for working on tricks, either in the park or all over the mountain, but it's also got enough non-freestyle performance/versatility that you can have it as your one board and progress all aspects of your riding.
Score Breakdown for the Women's Tweaker
FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
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Flex Score | 5 | 20/20 |
Turning Ease | 4 | 16/20 |
Versatility | 3.5 | 7/10 |
Category Score | 87.6 | 43.8/50 |
TOTAL (after normalizing): | 86.8/100 |
#4: Never Summer Infinity
Flex: Mid-Soft (4/10)
FEEL: semi-loose
Style of Board: All-Mountain
INTERMEDIATE rating score: 87.9/100
Next up, at #4, we have Never Summer's Infinity, which is one of the most versatile on this list.
If you've already developed an eclectic style of riding that takes you anywhere, doing a variety of things, or if you're still unsure of the type of riding you prefer - or if you simply want a board that will help you to progress your riding to the next level - the Infinity fits many scenarios.
Score Breakdown for the Infinity
FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
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Flex Score | 4.5 | 18/20 |
Turning Ease | 4.5 | 18/20 |
Versatility | 5 | 10/10 |
Category Score | 83.7 | 41.85/50 |
TOTAL (after normalizing): | 87.9/100 |
#3: Bataleon Push Up
Flex: Mid-Soft (4/10)
FEEL: Semi-Loose
Style of Board: All-Mountain
INTERMEDIATE rating score: 88.2/100
Bataleon's Push Up (the softer flexing younger sister of our #1 option below) is an easy riding board, that makes riding fun and effortless - and takes that attitude with it anywhere it goes on the mountain.
Like to a point that I wouldn't be surprised if you just thought about wanting to switch edges and it did it for you!
If you're a lighter rider, not overly athletic or strong or simply wants riding to be easy and relaxing and really don't need it to be a workout, then the Push Up might be your match.
Score Breakdown for the Push Up
FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
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Flex Score | 4.5 | 18/20 |
Turning Ease | 5 | 20/20 |
Versatility | 4 | 8/10 |
Category Score | 84.3 | 42.15/50 |
TOTAL (after normalizing): | 88.2/100 |
#2: YES Hello
Flex: Medium (4.5/10)
FEEL: Stable
Style of Board: All-Mountain
INTERMEDIATE rating score: 89.7/100
Grabbing the #2 position, our next board is the YES Hello.
The Hello is the baby sister of Yes' flagship all-mountain board, the Hel Yes. It's a little mellower and easy to ride versus the Hel Yes, but still a high quality deck that's got the performance you need to take you through and beyond the intermediate level.
Ideal for those looking for a versatile ride that will be with them for years to come and progress with them. Also great for hard/icy snow conditions.
Score Breakdown for the Hello
FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
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Flex Score | 5 | 20/20 |
Turning Ease | 4 | 16/20 |
Versatility | 5 | 10/10 |
Category Score | 87.3 | 43.65/50 |
TOTAL (after normalizing): | 89.7/100 |
#1: Bataleon Push Up Plus
Flex: Medium (5/10)
FEEL: stable
Style of Board: All-Mountain
INTERMEDIATE rating score: 91.3/100
And finally, in the #1 spot, we have Bataleon's Push Up Plus.
This is a souped up, slightly stiffer version of the #3 entry above. While it may not be quite as effortless to ride, it's barely more effort - but for that tiny bit more effort, it gives you more in terms of stability at speed and in messy snow conditions, making it even more versatile.
A great blend of performance, x-factor and rideability that propelled it to the top of this list as the #1 intermediate snowboard for women (in our opinion) for 2024-2025!
Score Breakdown for the Push Up Plus
FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
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Flex Score | 5 | 20/20 |
Turning Ease | 4.5 | 18/20 |
Versatility | 4.5 | 9/10 |
Category Score | 88.6 | 44.3/50 |
TOTAL (after normalizing): | 91.3/100 |
Over To You
So there's our top 10 Wmen's Intermediate boards for 2024-2025.
Hopefully this list will help you to find a good deck that can help to take you to the next level and that you won't outgrow too soon.
The scores above have been derived firstly by taking 3 factors that I see as important to a friendly board for less experienced riders, and giving 50% of the score to that. The other 50% of the score goes to how well that board performs in it's given category (i.e. all-mountain, freestyle etc).
Check out the links under each board for more info, prices and availability.
Cori Doron says
Your site is so helpful in the confusing world of snowboarding equipment. I’m hoping you can help me. I am a smaller woman 5’1” (a stretch), 136-140pounds, size 5.5/6 boot. I am 50 years old and have been snowboarding off and on since i was 23. I usually only go once or twice a year and lately only to Telluride. It can definitely be icy when we go as we have to choose either end of December or March unfortunately, but we will occasionally luck out and get some good snow. I do easy blues and for the most part don’t veer off the groomed paths. (Occasionally hop into some trees.) I def don’t bomb hills 🙂 I am an easy going rider focusing mostly on trying to have good form. I tend to only fall when the trail is flat, long, and icy-usually near the end if i am fatigued and daydreaming. I am good at linking turns and I can carve but as I don’t tend to go fast I don’t carve as much but would love to do this more. My kids are all on the mountain now and they would like me to pick up speed 🙂 and join them doing some bumps and stuff. I was hoping that if I finally got my own equipment, rather than getting used to a new board every year, that I could up my speed and skill level a notch. I was hoping for a yes board but they seem like they might be a bit long for me although with my weight perhaps not? What would you suggest for a board and then maybe bindings? Thank you so so so much if you are still doing this i would be forever grateful.
Nate says
Hi Cori, thanks for your message.
I’m definitely on board with having your own gear. When you’re always changing you’re always having to spend more time getting back up to speed and have to adjust little things to get a feel for the new board. I ride a lot of new boards every year, so I’m really used to it, but I even have to spend a little bit of time getting used to a new board (or bindings/boots if that’s what I’m testing).
Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain” length at around 146, so I think you could get on the YES Hello or YES Hel Yes, if you wanted to. That said, with your boot size, I would recommend sizing down a bit from 146. But at a stretch you could go 146 Hello or Hel Yes. In this case, I would go Hello over Hel Yes. Even though you’re looking to up your speed a bit and the Hel Yes is better for faster speeds, I would go Hello, because you’re at the high end of a good size for you if you go 146 – and going with the softer flexing Hello would mellow it out a bit and make it easier to manage. And, most importantly, that extra size is going to give you more stability at speed than if you were to go smaller anyway. So I think the Hel Yes might be just a little bit too much board in a 146. If they had a 143 or 144, then I’d say probably go Hel Yes, but in this case I’d go Hello over the Hel Yes.
I think the Twin Sister would be a really good option for you, IMO – and you could ride that in a 143, which I think would be a better size for you. But if you did want to err a bit smaller and a bit more mellow, then the Jones Dream Weaver would be a good way to go. The Rome Muse is a an interesting option too. It’s a bit narrower than the Jones options there, but it’s also a stiffer more aggressive ride – which means it will be better for speed, but may not suit your general riding style as much. But it’s one that you could size down to 140 to mellow it out a bit. I’d also look into the Nidecker Venus 143 or if you wanted to go a little more mellow from that the Nidecker Astral 143.
While I wouldn’t say these are necessarily as good as the Hello/Hel Yes in icy conditions, they’re all still good in those conditions, in our experience.
Hope this helps your decision
Michelle says
Hi Nate,
I started snowboarding last year and I’m looking at purchasing my own gear for the first time. I only go once or twice a year (3-6 riding days a year) and am an advanced beginner (guessing level 4?). I can link turns on blues, but still skid vs carve sometimes.
I only stay on groomed green/blue runs and don’t foresee myself doing any park. I do enjoy going kind of fast, but I’m not bombing down the mountain yet.
I typically board in Colorado or tahoe, so it can get icy sometimes, but not all the time. I plan on getting Burton step on bindings, but am trying to figure it what board to get. The yes hello seems intriguing, but not sure what size or if there are other boards that would be a better match.
My Specs:
Height: 5’3.5”
Weight: 135-150 lbs (I’ve gone up and down a lot depending on how strict I am with my diet)
US Shoe Size: Women’s 8
Nate says
Hi Michelle, thanks for your message.
I agree that the Hello would be a really good option for what you’re describing and is really good for icy conditions. I think it ticks your boxes well and should be an easy enough ride that you can get on it and feel good quickly, without having to take time to get used to it again every year. But still give you decent carving/speed performance. The Airis, Infinity and Velvet would all be good options too, but I would be leaning Hello, if you can get it.
Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 147-150, depending on weight, so I would be weighing up between the 149 and 146. Both are a good width for your boots as well. If you’re more likely to be closer to 150 during snowboarding season, then I would be leaning 149. If you’re more likely to be closer to 140lbs or less, then I would be leaning towards the 146. Also to take into account, the 146 vs the 149, the 146 will be slightly easier to ride, slightly more agile and feel better riding at slower speeds, while the 149 will be slightly more stable, especially riding at speed and a little better float in better, but a little more work for short/sharp turns, particularly at slower speeds.
Hope this helps with your decision
Michelle says
Thank you so much! I got to demo a Talent Scout for a few days and liked it. I read your reviews on both and it looked like you scored the talent scout higher, but noted that it could be harder to handle for beginners.
I’m wondering if a talent scout would be a good/better option if I felt like I could handle it ok. Given the number I’d days I spend riding, I will probably take many years to get to expert level, so maybe I wouldn’t even notice all the benefits?
Nate says
Hi Michelle
Yeah the Talent Scout is the more advanced board for sure. It’s also a slightly different style of board, with more of a freestyle focus – but doesn’t have to be used for freestyle. It is good for riding fast. It’s not something I’d typically recommend for a beginner, but if you rode it and liked it and didn’t have any troubles with it, then it could be a good bet. Can you let me know the size your demoed it in? And if you know, your weight at the time of demoing it? If you do go for it, just want to make sure that the sizing is right as that can make a noticeable difference to how easy it feels to ride.
Michelle says
I was at 145lb and rode a 146.
The first board Burton gave me was an 149 feelgood (full camber) and I couldn’t ride it. Caught so many edges just riding a couple green runs). Traded it for a shorter talent scout and I felt like a whole different rider.
Out of curiosity how would the yes hello feel different from the talent scout on groomed runs?
Nate says
Hi Michelle
I suspected it was the 146. Shorter boards typically easier to manage, especially when there’s a lot of camber. And not surprised you had trouble with the 149 Feelgood. In that length and with the Feelgood also being torsionally stiffer than the Talent Scout.
The Hello vs the Talent Scout, won’t be quite as stable at speed and won’t carve quite as well. But will be even easier going and less likely to catch edges on than the Talent Scout. It’s not as damp as the Talent Scout, so you’d feel more chatter with it, but it’s also got a “snappier” feel, which makes it quicker and easier to turn and easier to pop with (though total pop on the Talent Scout is better). The Hello is better in icy conditions as well, but the Talent Scout isn’t bad there. I’d say Hello better for trees and a little better in powder. If you want more details, you can check out our Talent Scout review here and our YES Hello review here.
Sarah says
Hi Nate,
Not sure if you’ll see this because it’s an older thread but wanted to get your advice, I’m trying to scoop up a new board in the offseason. I’ve been riding since I was 14 and had the same board since then. It’s a Burton lipstick 145. I go 3-4x a year in the Midwest and one trip to Tahoe or Jackson Hole every year. I don’t get in the park much these days but like going fast and hitting quick turns (not a big S shaped rider). Was looking into Burton Yeasayer and Rossignol Soulside, and now yes hello. I would said I’m intermediate skill level.
-5’4
-140 lb ish
Nate says
Hi Sarah, thanks for your message.
Apologies for the late reply – had a long weekend away. I would be leaning either Yeasayer or YES Hello, because they are going to be more stable at speed than the Soulside, IMO. And between the Yeasayer and Hello, I’d personally go Hello, but if you can’t find one, the Yeasayer would be next choice.
Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 147/148, so for the Hello you could go either 146 or 149, but if you could let me know your boot size, that would help to narrow down which size I think would be better. For the Yeasayer, most likely the 148, but the 144 could be an option as well, depending on boot size.
Hope this isn’t too late to help with your decision
Allison says
Hi Nate,
I was wondering if you might be able to help me narrow down a specific size for an intermediate board.
My Specs:
Height: 5’8” – 5’9”
Weight: 160-165 lbs
US Shoe Size: Women’s 9.5-10
I’ve snowboarded about 6-7 times, and am probably an intermediate level 5.
I wasn’t sure if my sizing limited my women’s board options and should go for a men’s board instead. I looked at the YES Hello and it seems the shoe size is only 5-9 for all their sizes, including the 155.
Nate says
Hi Allison
Thanks for your message. I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 153/154. As an intermediate level 5, I would err on the smaller side, so something 151-153 would be a good range to look at, IMO.
For the Hello, I would go 152.
In terms of width, showing 5-9 for each size is a big range as it is and not very accurate, IMO. And there are a lot of factors to consider when it comes to width. Your stance width, binding angles, your particular boots, are all factors that contribute to whether a board’s width is good for you or not.
The 152 Hello has a 24.2cm waist width and if you were to go with the reference stance width on it (533mm or 21″), then you’d be looking at around a 25.2cm back insert width and 25cm front insert width. Yes’s own measurement’s are a little narrower than that (25mm back insert and 24.8cm front insert).
The average profile snowboard boot will have an outersole that’s around 3cm longer than its mondopoint. The Mondopoint is the length of foot that a boot is designed for in cm (it’s not always the right fit for that length foot but that’s the idea of it). If you were to get into a Women’s 9.5, then that would be a mondopoint of 26.5, which means you would likely have an outersole length somewhere between 29cm and 30cm. Let’s assume for a second that your boot has a 29.5cm outersole, then you’d be looking at a total boot overhang of around 4.5cm (using the back insert – and there’s a good reason for this which I’ll explain in a second). This would mean (assuming perfect boot centering), a 2.25cm overhang on your toe edge and a 2.25cm overhang on your heel edge. This amount of overhang should be perfectly fine without any kind of boot drag, unless you’re really getting low in your carves, like eurocarving. And this is also assuming that you would be riding with a zero degree back binding angle.
The reason I focus on the back binding is that your front binding will always have some angle on it – and the more angle, the more the overhang decreases. If you have, let’s say a 15 degree angle on your back binding, then you’d be looking at decreasing your overhang by around 1cm.
If you ended up in US10 women’s, then it would be a closer call, particularly if they were a longer profile boot and depending on binding angles.
Sorry, that’s a lot of information to throw at you at once. But yeah, saying 5-9 is a. a big range and b. doesn’t take everything into account.
Long story short, if you were to get into a 9.5 boot, you’d likely have no issues. If in a 10, it would depend on several factors. If you already had your boots, it would be easier to give a more accurate opinion on whether the width would be fine. But to simplify it, you’d most likely be all good with 9.5s.
Hope this helps and makes sense.
Abby A says
Hi Nate,
Love the page and all your recs!
Just wondering if you might have some advice on board recommendations for me. I’ve been snowboarding 4 times over the past 3 years and mostly just use my sisters board (Arbor Popparazi 147). I still don’t feel super confident riding fast/steep so mostly stick to blue/easy red runs with relaxed riding linking turns etc. I am probably beginner to intermediate skill level from what I can tell from your guides. I also like to ride switch and this is something I want to keep working on.
We often are in icy conditions (Australia!).
I am 5ft6, 130lbs, boot size women’s US9 (Burton limelight).
So I was thinking a twin all mountain board with medium flex and good edge hold.
Potentially Jones twin sister? But would be interested in your advice.
Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Abby
Thanks for your message.
The Twin Sister could work. For your level, it may be a bit of stretch, but if you’re up for a bit more of a challenge in the beginning, then I’d say it’s doable, but probably not the quickest/easiest way for you to progress.
I think the YES Hello (146) would be a great choice – really good in icy conditions and a great option, IMO, for higher end beginners, bordering on intermediate. And rides switch well too. The Rossignol Airis (146) and GNU Velvet (147) would also be great choices, IMO.
But if you did want to stretch to the Twin Sister, I would go with the 146.
The only one that would be questionable width-wise would be the Velvet 147. The rest should be fine.
Hope this helps
Kleigh says
Hey Nate,
This is such a great page, I am happy I stumbled across it. I was hoping you could give me some feedback on an intermediate board for Ontariable icy conditions. I am looking for an all-in-one board, I can do blues comfortably and have been dabbling in the park so ideally a board that can do both.
I have been using a 140cm head board for 2 years as It was given to me by my work, but I am looking to buy something that can grow with me. For reference, I am 5’1, 125 lbs and wear a size 6 boot.
I have been looking at the Captia Paradise and Birds of a feather. However, after readings some reviews I worry about how the Bird of a feather will hold up in icier conditions. If you could also recommend some bindings that would be amazing! Thanks in advance
Nate says
Hi Kleigh
Thanks for your message. Ontariable – I love it!
Given you’re riding in icy conditions quite a bit, and how you describe your riding, I would be looking at one of:
– GNU Velvet
– YES Women’s Basic
– Rossignol Airis
I would say Yes Hello too, but it’s smallest size is 146, which is a little big for you, IMO. The Capita Paradise could definitely work too, but not quite as good in icy conditions as the others mentioned, IMO. Same for the Birds of a Feather – and also the BOAF is a more technical board, so not as intermediate friendly, IMO.
On sizing, I don’t think you’re too far off with the 140, but you could go a little longer, if you wanted. I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 144. However, with your boot size, most boards in that length will be on the wide side for you, so sizing down a little from there makes sense, IMO.
– Never Summer Infinity 142
– GNU Velvet 143 – but you could also do the 139, if you wanted to go smaller.
– YES Women’s Basic 143
– Rossignol Airis 143
At a bit more of a stretch you could look at something like the Jones Twin Sister but in that one, I would go with the 140.
For bindings, it might depend somewhat on the board you go with, but for most of those, I’d be looking at something with a 4/10 to 6/10 flex. For the Twin Sister, I would be erring more towards 6/10, but 5/10 would be OK. For the Airis, more like 5/10 but 6/10 OK. For the rest 5/10 would work well too, but you could go 4/10 flex, if you wanted something a bit softer flexing. Check out our Top 5 women’s freestyle and top 5 women’s all-mountain bindings lists for some good options in those flex ranges.
Hope this helps
Kat says
Hi Nate, Wow I’ve gone down a rabbit hole with all the options. I was originally set on the nitro lectra but wanted something more intermediate. I am 5’5, 115lbs and my boot size is a 7. I mostly ride in the midwest (icy hard conditions) with 1 trip outwest. I *think* i am intermediate, I can do blues in breckenridge, and can link my turns – but never go straight down the mountain – mostly wide S turns. I also will never venture into the park area. I am considering the following 3 2023 boards:
– Yes Hello
– Capita Paradise (like this graphic the most)
– GNU bnice
Would love your opinion on boards and what size for each!
Nate says
Hi Kat
I would be leaning YES Hello as it’s really good in icy conditions and would suit your style/level well. However, the smallest size it comes in is a 146 and I’d prefer to see you go 144 maximum and more preferably 141-143. I’ve been hoping they put this board out in smaller sizes ever since it came out, but hasn’t happened yet.
Between the B-Nice and the Paradise, I think the Paradise would suit your style of riding better, with the B-Nice being more freestyle oriented, but the B-Nice is a little better in icy conditions. Still, I would probably be leaning more Paradise because I think it would suit your style of riding better. Size-wise, you could go either 141 or 143. If you’re looking at this board being one you have for a long time, then I would go 143. If you think you’d upgrade after a couple of years, then I’d be leaning 141. If you did go B-Nice, the 142 would be your best bet, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Kat says
Hi Nate, the first store I look at said I would be between a 145 – 149 in any board, and shorter were easier to control. But then I looked at the bnice in a local store and was shown a 148. It hit just below my chin with regular shoes on. I was told it would be a good size to grown into a bit as I advance. When I saw your sizes I’m confused!
Nate says
Hi Kat
A lot of stores and rental places still go by the old school method of sizing based predominantly on height. But your weight (and boot size) are more important factors. It’s easier to just go by height, because then the store can just measure the board against you and don’t have to ask your weight (which can be a sensitive topic). But it’s more accurate to take into account height, weight and boot size (and riding and style and ability level), with weight being a much more important factor than height. Some will go just off weight, but I like to still take height into account, because there is a leverage factor involved. But that leverage factor isn’t as influential as weight – the way the board flexes and behaves is much more influenced by your weight than your height.
Jasmin says
Hi there Nate! I was hoping for a more professional opinion on some boards I’ve been looking at. I currently ride the Rossignol Frenemy 144 with Ride CL-4 bindings and wear Ride harper boots. I would consider myself an intermediate rider of about 2 years now. I’m 5’3, 113lbs and wear women’s size 7 boots, and I currently live in Ontario, Canada where there are icier conditions a lot of days.
I ride down green and blue groomers, and some blacks with caution. I’m looking to ride more switch and ride in general with more confidence with an all-mountain board!
I’ve been looking at the Capita Paradise and Yes Hello, and I was wondering if either of these boards would be an improvement from my current one? Or if you had other suggestions, that’d be great too! I would also really appreciate your input on what sizes you’d recommend for me as well. Thank you so much in advance!
Nate says
Hi Jasmin
Thanks for your message.
I would say YES Hello, as it’s the better board in icy conditions, in our experience, over the Paradise, but sizing-wise, I feel the 146 is on the big side for you and that’s the smallest size they have for the Hello.
I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 143, so I’d try to get closer to that. As an intermediate rider, I’d say something in the 141-143 range, ideally. Since you’re used to riding a 144, you could go up to that too, but I’d try to go no longer than 144.
Some options that come to mind:
– Never Summer Infinity 142
– Never Summer Proto Synthesis 142 (bit more of a step up but still doable)
– Lib Tech No.43 143
– Jones Twin Sister 143
– GNU Ladies Choice 142.5
– Rome Muse 143 (though this is a little more aggressive than the others here)
Some others that we haven’t tested but on paper would fit what you’re looking for:
– Nidecker Venus 143
– Nitro Fate 144
– Nitro Drop 142
But sticking with the Frenemy is an option too. In our experience it’s good in icy conditions and is good as an intermediate board. It lacks a little energy/pop/snap, but is otherwise a solid board.
Hope this helps with your decision
Jasmin says
Thank you so much Nate for the quick response! The Rome Muse and Nidecker Venus have definitely caught up eyes!
I was wondering, however, what would be some indicators that someone has reached the limits/max potential of a snowboard and it would be time to upgrade to a different board?
Thank you so much again!
Nate says
Hi Jasmin
Some indicators could include:
– You feel like the board is getting a bit wobbly at speed. This could indicate that you’re looking to ride faster than the board can handle
– You feel like the board doesn’t hold on, when you’re trying to dig in for a more aggressive carve
– You’re not getting the kind of spring/pop on ollies, jumps etc or not enough spring/pop out of a turn for your liking
Jasmin says
That’s super helpful, thank you Nate!
There were actually a couple of other boards I was looking at as an all-mountain board that give me the option to explore the parks, but I was hoping for some sizing help again if you don’t mind!
Lib Tech Ryme 141 or 144
Bataleon Whatever 138 or 144
I know you recommended ideally 141-143, so I wasn’t sure if the Bataleon Whatever 138 would be too short. But, for the 144, I noticed the waist width is slightly bigger than what has been recommended for my boot size and I just fall into the board’s weight range recommendation.
As for the Lib Tech Ryme, I wasn’t sure if it would be better going with one size over the other for myself.
Nate says
Hi Jasmin
The Ryme and Whatever are relatively different boards. They are both what we’d call “all-mountain-freestyle” boards, so there in that same category. But the Whatever is a little more playful and easy riding than the Ryme, which is more aggressive. That said, it’s not super aggressive or anything. But just to note the differences there.
I would be leaning 141 for you for the Ryme, and I think that would be a really good size for you for that board. The 144 definitely not out of range or anything though. Not like it’s massive for you or anything, particularly given that you’re riding a 144 now. But I’d be leaning 141, particularly as you’re looking to get more into park riding.
The Whatever is a little more tricky to size. The 138 feels a bit too small, unless you were going to use it as your dedicated freestyle board, and used something else when you were wanting to ride faster. So, I would say 144, but like you say it’s pretty wide for your boots – and that combination of length/width makes it bigger than ideal, IMO.
Alexandra says
Hey Nate!
Just want to give you a little feedback about the Nidecker Odyssey.
This board is really fun to ride. I wasn’t sure if I had the skills to ride it.
Finally, it’s enough forgiving, easy to ride and doesn’t feel too stiff at all. It’s easy to turn, stable and very great for carving.
It does pretty well on hard packed icy snow, better than what I was expecting for this board.
I didn’t have the chance to try it on powder till now, but can’t wait to try it. I’m pretty sure that’s gonna be amazing. Plus the shape and the swallow tail are really cool.
I’ll keep this board in my quiver for a long time for sure.
Thanks so much for your awesome advices.
Nate says
Hi Alexandra
Thanks for the update and your feedback. Much appreciated. And awesome to hear you’ve found a good match in the Odyssey!
Alexandra says
Hello Nate,
I am wondering if there is a similar board to the YES Women’s Basic in a smaller size like 136-138? Have to be good in icy conditions and ideally have an extruded or hybrid sintered base for low maintenance.
Also, I’m thinking to get a specific board to improve my carving skills. Actually, I use my GNU LC 142.5 with Burton Escapade. I easily carve on my heels edge but still take much effort on the toes edge (am I doing something wrong?).
I don’t know if it’s too soon to have a specific board or if I could just change something in my setup or if it’s time for a specific board.
I am an intermediate level 5-6. I like to do small quick turns, mixed with some skidded/slashing turns if that make sense.
I love to bomb greens and blues corduroy, I would like to do it more often and in almost all conditions. I do down-unweighted turns when the conditions are good.
I think that I am leaning more on an agressive side than playful. But I want something that still forgiving, that can be ride not only aggressively and still easy to maneuver.
I don’t mind about the board shape since I will not do switch with this board.
I think that I’ll go toward size 139 and 143 for that board, but open to other sizes.
It can be with an extruded or sintered base, I prefer low maintenance but it isn’t a criteria for that one.
What do you think about it, do you have any recommendations?
And last thing, I am wondering if is it normal that my LC is sticking on the snow (depends of snow type) sometimes if it’s not it first use after waxing and other time it’s glide at least for 4 days. Something to do?
Thanks for your help and have a nice day!
Nate says
Hi Alexandra
Thanks for your message.
For the first option I would look at the Rome Heist 139, Nitro Mercy 138, Nitro Optisym 138, Salomon Abstract 138 (previous years was called the Salomon Gypsy). We don’t have any experience with the Nitro Mercy or Optisym, but on paper they look pretty similar to Women’s Basic.
For the carving board, you could look at something like the Niche Nightshade, Burton Talent Scout, Burton Story Board, Never Summer Proto Synthesis, Yes Hel Yes, GNU Barrett, Nidecker Odyssey. All boards that are good for carving and are for the most part camber dominant, but not overly stiff, so they can still be ridden slower when needed. On the more aggressive side, but not too unforgiving.
If the LC is sticking in snow, it could be that the wrong type of wax is used for the particular days it’s feeling sticky. It might just be that it’s really sticky snow (this is usually when there’s been fresh snow, but it has a higher water content – known sometimes as Cascade Concrete or simply heavy snow or wet snow). Do you get it when you ride the Emoticon in the same conditions? Sometimes magnetraction can get a little “grabby” in softer snow conditions, but that’s more of an edge feeling, rather than a base sticking kind of feeling. If it’s slushy snow, then it might just be a case of using a wax that’s better suited to higher temperatures.
Hope this helps
Alexandra says
Thanks for your fast answer Nate!
I think I’ll give a try to the Nitro Mercy.
For the carving board, I am hesitating between these 3 boards that you suggested :
– Burton Talent Scout 138 or 141, the design of the new model for 2024 is amazing. For that one it’s the pure camber who’s making me hesitate, will it be enough forgiving, not too catchy? Which size will fit better to my riding?
– Niche Nightshade 141
– NS Proto 139 or 142, for that one it’s the rocker between the feet that make me hesitating.
Maybe if you can compare it with my LC it will helps me. I find that my LC is lacking in power when carving, I wish to had a better springy/reactive turns, don’t handle enough the carve in less good conditions. For stability speed it’s ok, not chattery on clean groomers, on unclean it’s ok at a slower speed. Maybe it could change since I love speed and that I’m taking more in confidence day after day. The flex is good, enough stability but I’ll like to have more maneuverability and keep this stability. This is why I’m not sure about the size, maybe with a stiffer board and in a smaller size I’ll be on my sweet spot? For the hybrid rocker I don’t know if I like it or not. When I have to go straight on groomers with a flat on fresh sticky snow that has been taped by skiers and lets some snow lines it isn’t awesome, I don’t want to catch an edge I have to be careful (that’s probably the magnetraction). And one foot is sometimes ok, sometimes grabby, other times it’s really loose and want to go in any directions, that depends of the snow and maybe a mix of magnetraction, I can deal with that but it isn’t my favorite thing.
The LC is waxed with an all-temp wax with the machine at the shop. When the LC is stinking in the snow I take my Emoticon and it glide better almost all the time and sometimes it sticks too. I think it happens on firm fresh snow and on hard snow wet days. If I start to wax my boards by myself could I avoid that or is any tricks/products that I could do like using liquid wax?
Nate says
Hi Alexandra
I always prefer to do a hot wax. I’m never that satisfied with shop machine waxes. But then again I am fussy. Being a sintered base the LC does need waxing more often, so that might be part of the reason the Emoticon does better – if it’s a case of both having not been waxed for a while. I think you would get better results waxing yourself. I know I do and I’m usually underwhelmed when I get a shop machine wax.
Given what you’re describing, I would probably be leaning Talent Scout or Nightshade as I think you’re no convinced with the Hybrid Rocker thing. The Proto Synthesis has a less pronounced rocker section in the middle, in my experience, but I’d still be leaning camber/hybrid camber in your case. For the Talent Scout, given you would be using it predominantly as your carving board, I would be leaning 141, particularly if you get the Mercy in a 138.
Diana says
Very interesting! I have the ladies Choice and escapade bindings as well and have had all the same issues you describe! I’m 165cm, size 8 boot and 53kg… I’m currently riding in niseko jp and yeah I’m not sure what to do. I tied my friends board today and it was easy so I’m at a loss. I just want my turns to come around faster ;(
Diana says
Also I forgot to add my board is 145.5 size
Nate says
Hi Diana
Thanks for your message.
Can you clarify, is it the sticky issue you’re having or not getting as good a carve on your toe side as your heel side.
In terms of turn quickness, I wouldn’t say the 145.5 is way too big for you or anything, but it’s on the longer end of what I would ride for your specs. So could be somewhat to do with sizing. What size was your friends board?
Joyce says
Hello,
Great informative website. Love it!
I am wondering what intermediate snowboard you would recommend for icy condition and hard packed snow condition?
I’m 5’3″, 130lb, size 5.5 Women’s boot.
Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Joyce
Thanks for your message.
The Women’s Basic, Rossignol Airis and YES Hello would be my top picks from this list for icy conditions. But the Lib Tech Glider & GNU Velvet not far behind. The Porparazzi Rocker and Never Summer Infinity would be the next best after that.
Hope this helps
Joyce says
Will my current bindings and boots affect the which board decision to consider?
I am leaning towards the YES Hello or YES Basic base on your recommendation.
I currently have the Salomon Rhythm binding and Vans Encore OG boots.
Nate says
Hi Joyce
I think the Basic would be a more ideal match to your boot/binding setup. But they would work with the Hello too, if you were wanting to go with the more all-mountain leaning option.
Penelope says
Dear Nate
First of all thank you so much for this very useful page.
I am not sure if I am beginner still or intermediate – How would you define the 2 so it matches the boards you have selected?
I am 47 and have snowboarded 1 season. I live in Switzerland, and I prefer to stay on what we categories as blue or very easy red slopes…..fact is when it becomes steep i get scared and miss my turns. i am not a very brave rider and like to take my time and just have fun so progress etc is not so important for me.
But when I am comfortable, I can link turns and i like to go a bit off piste also (without trees :-))
so to sum up should I go for a beginner or intermediate board?
Nate says
Hi Penelope
I think you could probably step up to an intermediate board. A beginner board wouldn’t be wrong though, but if you wanted something to last you longer through your progression, then something here would do that.
I think if you are a high end beginner (level 4 on the following link), then it’s a good idea to look at something more intermediate than beginner.
>>Snowboard Skill Level
Hope this helps
Linnea says
Hi Nate!!
These are so helpful. Thank you for your time. I am 5’1 108 lbs wearing a 6-6.5 boot.
I just bought the 139 Capita paradise and I am waiting for it to arrive.
Would adding the NS infinity as a second board be useful or are they too similar? Also is the 142 too big for me? I have used a 141 before and it seemed fine.
For reference I will be PNW Stevens Pass and Whistler. LOVE powder and it seems like the Paradise will be my best twin all-mountain powder friendly board. Would the Infinity be a good ice board to have around?
I really prefer a twin board or close to it as I ride switch when necessary.
I am somewhat new but ride blues fine and some blacks with caution. Can’t carve yet but will get there this season.
Lastly, do you know much about Bataleon? I have heard they are really good but do not see any in your recommendations. Like the looks of their push up, storm, and Spirit board. Would love your input there if you are familiar. Thanks for your time! 🙂
Nate says
Hi Linnea
Thanks for your message.
While the two boards certainly have a different feel to them, they are very similar in what you’d use them for. Not typically 2 boards I’d have as part of the same quiver. If you’re looking for a twin board good in icy conditions, then I’d more readily look at something like the YES Rival (140) or the GNU Ladies Choice (139.5).
We have tested a few Bataleon boards now (no women’s models yet though) and really liked those that we’ve tested. If you did go Bataleon, I would probably look at the Push Up for what you’re describing. The Storm looks to be a little more aggressive and also more directional. It’s not tapered or anything, so you’d still be able to ride switch on it, but not as easily as on the Push Up. The Spirit looks to be quite a soft flexing board and you might find it a little too soft for what you’re describing. I’ve found the Bataleon boards that I’ve ridden to be pretty good in hard/icy conditions, but not to the same level as something like the Rival or Ladies Choice would be, IMO.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Amanda says
Hi Nate! Thanks for doing all this research! I would really appreciate your help with my board selection. I have been looking at getting a new board for a few years, but I never make a decision because I get bogged down in all the data.
I’ve been riding since maybe 2006 and I’d consider myself intermediate-advanced. I ride mostly groomed blues and blacks on east coast and Midwest mountains, with some backcountry and powder riding. No park for me :). My goal is to improve my fast carving and also maneuvering through glades (that last might be more of a boarder than board problem 😅). I want something responsive that holds solid edge on ice and is still a little playful. Whatever I buy will probably be my go to for the next 5-10 years. I’ve read a bunch of your lists on women’s boards, and the Yes Hel Yes and the Jones Twin Sister stand out to me, but I am open to others.
I’ve been riding 2 old burton boards. I have the maybe 2007 Troupe and the 2012 Dejavu (not the Flying V). I’m really itching for an upgrade before we go to Breck in the spring. Both boards are 151.
I’m 5’9, 140#, burton women’s 9.5 boot.
Thanks so much for your help and insight!!
Nate says
Hi Amanda
Thanks for your message.
For everything you’re describing and your level of riding, I think the Hel Yes and Twin Sister would both be great options. Can’t really make a bad decision there, IMO. A couple of things that are different:
– Hel Yes a little better edge hold in icy conditions, but the Twin Sister still good there
– The Hel Yes a little better on a carve
– The Twin Sister a little better at chopping through/over crud/chunder.
But yeah, not a bad choice you could make between them.
Size-wise, I think the 149 or 152 are both options. For the Twin Sister, I would be leaning 149 – and that should be easily wide enough. For the Hel Yes, it’s borderline for your boot size in the 149 and even in the 152 could be pushing it. The 149 Hel Yes is likely a little narrower (at inserts) than your De Ja Vu – and even the 152 a touch narrower as well. The Twin Sister is a little wider at the inserts than your Deja Vu would have been – so it’s a safe bet that it’s wide enough, without being too wide. But I’d still go 149 for Twin Sister.
Hope this helps with your decision
Danielle says
Hey Nate,
Firstly, thanks for providing such informative, easy to digest info. It’s super helpful!
I’m very torn between two snowboards and hoping I can get your advice. I’m an intermediate rider or 3 (ish) years, going into my second season at Whistler. I want something that will allow me to ride some powder and off-piste when the snow comes, but that’s also playful on groomers and side hits. I might hit small jumps occasionally but I’m so new to it and really just like messing around on side hits and small natural features.
Looking at either the Burton Feelgood Camber or the Capita Equalizer – both in a 142. Leaning more towards the Equalizer as it looks slightly less stiff, but I really have no idea. For ref. I’m 5″2, weigh 108 ibs and wear a size 6 boot.
Thanks!!
Nate says
Hi Danielle
Thanks for your message.
I would go Equalizer for sure. It’s better in powder and noticeably more playful than the Feelgood Camber. Feelgood camber is quite an aggressive board. But Equalizer should work well for you.
I think the 142 is doable size-wise in the Equalizer. If you were being really fussy, then I’d say something in the range 139-141 for your specs and what you’re describing, but the 142 should be OK and not too many options that are good in powder shorter than that. And it’s a good width for your boots. So, I think it’s a good bet.
The Feelgood Camber in 142 would also be a less appropriate size because of it’s extra width.
Hope this helps with your decision
Danielle says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for your reply!
If there are any other boards you would recommend which would be suited well to Whistler I would love to hear. I’m not very experienced in powder, but would like something that can handle a bit when needed.
Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Danielle
Some other options include:
– Arbor Swoon Rocker 140
– Jones Dream Weaver 142 (there’s also a 139, but this is the kind of board you can ride in a bit of a longer size, but if you wanted to go smaller the 139 is doable as well).
– Jones Twin Sister 140 (not as good in powder as the Dream Weaver, but can still handle a bit of powder well)
But I would keep the Equalizer on the shortlist – still a really good option, IMO.
Jaime says
Hi Nate, I’m hoping you can help me! I’ve went down a rabbit hole and don’t know what’s the best choice for me. I’ve been snowboarding since 2003. I’d call myself intermediate. I can ride pretty much anything and can handle mountains like Jackson Hole and Park City. I love groomers and I’m not a trick girl. I ride a center duck stance, regular. I just love to ride with my family who are all skiers! I have a Gnu Velvet, size 150. I bought her I think 6 years ago? I am 5’7, just about 130 pounds, and wear a size 8 Salomon boot in a 2022 Union Juliet binding. I’m in search of a new board…I feel like I’ve reached a plateau with my current board. My biggest struggle is flats. I HATE them. I feel like my board is unstable I struggle to keep it flat based and ride the natural piste of the mountain in those situations. Is it me? The board? Both? I’m interested in the 2022-23 Gnu Ravish. I feel like I should try a directional board, but is the Ravish too stiff? Can you tell me if I am making a good choice? Should I stick with the Velvet and go to the 153? Or is there another board I should consider? Thanks for your help and suggestions!! I look forward to hearing your thoughts!
Nate says
Hi Jaime
Thanks for your message.
I think maybe moving to a hybrid camber might work best for you. I don’t think the Ravish would be too stiff and I think it would offer a little more stability than the Velvet, but it’s still going to have a looser feel to it. They both have C2 camber, which has a fair amount of rocker between the feet. This gives the board a looser feel as that rocker acts as like a pivot between your feet. Some really like this for easy initiation of turns and good slashes and quick turns, that kind of thing. But it can feel unstable on flats, as you’ve experienced. Given you want a more stable feeling, I would either go to something hybrid camber (C2 is what I would describe as Hybrid rocker – which is any profile that has rocker that’s between the feet – Hybrid Camber on the other hand has camber between the feet – and is rockered towards the tip and tail – this tends to feel more stable).
But if you wanted to stick with GNU/Lib Tech, then I would look at going to something with C3 camber – or at least C2X.
Some good hybrid camber options, that are intermediate friendly – it sounds like your solid intermediate, so you don’t necessarily have to stick to this list, so I’ve included some options that I think could work well for you. Also note that some below are more directional than others but all are to some degree directional (some are directional twin and some are tapered directional).
From this list, these will be the easiest to ride, but have more limits on top performance vs the others further down.
– Rossignol Airis
– Capita Paradise
– YES Hello
And from outside this list:
– Jones Twin Sister (directional twin)
– YES Hel Yes (directional twin)
– Capita The Equalizer (tapered directional)
But let me know if you’d also like some Lib Tech/GNU options in C3 or C2X. You could go Ravish, but I think from what you’re describing, you’ll appreciate less rocker between the feet or no rocker between the feet.
Size-wise, I wouldn’t go longer than 150. I would put your “standard” size at around 148. If you stick around that 148-150 size but in a more stable board than the Velvet, then I think you’ll be good.
Hope this helps with your decision
Yuki Kimura says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for your amazing website and sharing professional insights! These detailed comparisons are truly informative and helpful. After reading your posts, I learned a lot and was able to narrow down to 2 snowboards (from 5 boards lol).
I’m 5’4/108 lbs (165cm 49kg), Ride Hera boot size 6, Union legacy small. (My twin sister is 166cm, same shoe size and weight). We live in Washington and go Crystal, Stevens Pass, Bachelor and Whistler. We started snowboarding last season and are both high level beginner/intermediate riders, spending most time on groomers. She bought a Burton Feelgood Flying V 142cm last week and I am about to get my very first snowboard. I was on my friend’s spare board (full camber, 146cm, pretty stiff, not sure about the brand) and found it a little too stiff for me to handle. I could cruise most blues with that board though.
I want to get an all-mountain board, planning to learn carving next season and also want to progress to blacks, navigate through trees/moguls with friends one day. Since my sister has already got a Burton Feelgood Flying V 142cm, I’d like to get a Never Summer all mountain board (I can always “borrow” on her Burton board lol). I’m debating between the following two Never Summer snowboards and really need your advices.
a) Never Summer Infinity 142cm
b) Never Summer Women’s Proto Synthesis 142cm
In terms of stiffness, I learned Infinity is a little softer than Proto Synthesis, but how do they compare to Burton Feelgood Flying V? Any insight from you is very much appreciated! Thank you and have a great weekend 😊
Yuki
Nate says
Hi Yuki
Thanks for your message. And apologies for the slow response. Have just come back from vacation.
The Infinity is a little softer than the Feelgood Flying V and the Proto Synthesis. The Proto Synthesis a touch stiffer than the Feelgood Flying V, but not ultra stiff. I’d say Infinity 4/10, Feelgood Flying V 5/10 and Proto Synthesis 5.5/10.
The Infinity would be the easiest to ride compared to the Proto Synthesis, and would be a better bet for your level, IMO. Also likely to find it more maneuverable in the trees. The Synthesis is a better carver, so when it comes to getting your carves down, it’s something that you can carve harder with. But the Infinity can carve a bit.
Size-wise, I wouldn’t go any longer than 142, for your specs. For your level, even ideally a little shorter, but you should get away with 142 fine, especially if you go Infinity. 146 is too long for you, IMO, and the length would have contributed to making it harder to control.
Note that whilst the Feelgood Flying V is a little stiffer than the Infinity, it’s quite a loose feeling board and even though stiffer usually means better for big carves, in this case, because of that looser feeling, the Infinity is as good as the Feelgood Flying V on a carve, IMO.
So, I would be leaning Infinity 142. The Synthesis might be doable, but it’s more of a step up and you may potentially find it a little too much for right now. If you did go Proto Synthesis, I would probably look at the 139. It would be a good width and length for your specs, IMO, particularly at your current level.
Hope this helps with your decision
Yuki Kimura says
Hi Nate!
No worries about a little delay in replying. I hope you enjoyed your vacation 🙂 And thank you so much for such thoughtful and thorough explanation. Really really appreciate it.
I’ve decided to pre-order the 2023 Infinity 142cm based on your recommendation. It’s also an added bonus that I like the graphics of the 2023 model on Infinity a little more than the 2023 Proto Synthesis 🙂 Hopefully I will get a lot better by the end of next season and be able to carve beautifully lol. If the Proto Synthesis comes out with new awesome graphics by that time, maybe I will consider upgrading then.
Just wondering, for a more advanced rider with my specs (5’5″, 108 lbs., US size 6 boots), would you still recommend proto synthesis 139 or by then I should consider 142 instead? I just realized I put my height wrong last time, 165cm converts to 5’5″ but I put 5’4″ in my previous comment lol.
Thank you once again <3
Yuki
Nate says
Hi Yuki
As a more advanced rider, you could certainly consider the 142. The 139 would still be an option, if you were going to be doing a lot of freestyle stuff and riding trees. But the 142 would certainly an option at a more advanced level, particularly if you were looking for bigger faster carves, stability at speed and more float in powder.
Because height is less important for sizing than weight and foot size, that extra inch doesn’t make too much difference to sizing. Whilst I like to take height into account, it’s less important than weight, foot size, ability level and how you like to ride.
Yuki Kimura says
Got it! Thank you so much for the advices and thorough explanations. Really appreciate it 🙂
Yuki
Nate says
You’re very welcome Yuki. Hope you have an awesome season on the Infinity next winter!
Carmen says
Hi Nate!
Thanks so much for this detailed post and for responding to folks’ questions! I am hoping you can help me too 🙂
I am having a hard time deciding on my next board. I bought one of those snowboarding packages as a beginner and I am ready for something new and better, something that is a progression board of sorts and will last me at least a few years that hopefully I will love! For context, I am currently riding the System Flite board (true twin, flat base with slightly rockered tip and tail). It was a good board to learn on, I like that it is light, but, I feel like I should transition to a better quality board, maybe a different profile as well -camber/rocker hybrid.
I am a low level intermediate boarder – I can ride blues easily and some blacks. I can connect my turns easily and ride fast, occasionally checking my speed; haven’t ventured in the park yet, not quite there just yet. I think I am more of a freeride boarder, but I am trying to progress my skills. Currently trying to learn to ride switch, and hopefully move on to ollies, maybe a box jump here and there. When I am just having fun and not trying to learn anything, I am usually just bombing the hill or practicing carving (which I’d like to excel at). I’d love something that is good for the resort and groomed runs. I looove a good powder run, but I recognize most days conditions are choppy/icy so while I still would like good powder capability, I think something where I am not catching an edge constantly especially in icy conditions is more important.
In terms of boards, I am really stuck between the Hello Yes and the Capita Paradise. What would be your ultimate suggestion given what I’ve described above? Or are there any other boards you think I should consider?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Nate says
Hi Carmen
Thanks for your message (got your other one too, but deleted it just to keep things tidy).
For what you’re describing, I think both boards are definitely suitable – a really good mix of something that you can advance your skills on, but at the same time not being too catchy or too advanced as to slow down your progression in the short term. Neither would be a wrong choice, but I would be leaning YES Hello, just because I consider it to be better in icy conditions, which is sounds like you experience a fair bit.
Sizing is important too – in your other comment you said you were on a 149 – so that’s probably around what you’ll end up on, but I would be happy to give a sizing suggestion if you wanted it. Would just need your height, weight and boot size.
Hope this helps
Carmen says
Yes, sorry about the double post, haha. Realized later the posts probably go through a pre-approval process..
I am 5’5-5’6″ about 145 lbs and size 7.5-8 womens boot.
Is there any noticeable difference between the two boards other than the Yes Hello being better in icy conditions? Truthfully, I am not a fan of the graphics on the Yes Hello… the Capita Paradise looks better just from a graphics perspective but if the Yes Hello is significantly better, then would get that one, or maybe an older version with a better graphic? 🙂
Does camber vs camber/rocker hybrid and twin/directional twin matter that much?
Nate says
Hi Carmen
Thanks for the extra info. Size-wise, the 149s for both would be your best bet, IMO.
Whilst both boards do feel different to ride, they are more similar than they are different, so apart from that better grip in icy conditions, there’s not a huge difference. I’d say the Paradise is a little better for riding switch and a little better at speed, with the Hello a little better for powder and a little easier to butter.
Camber versus hybrid camber (camber/rocker/camber) certainly makes a difference. Full camber without any rocker can feel catchy and isn’t as good in powder, but typically is better for big carves, better edge hold and more pop – all else being equal. But both of these boards are hybrid camber (camber between the feet and rocker towards the tip and tail). Between twin and directional twin the difference is more subtle, but a true twin is typically better for riding switch and gives more even presses tip and tail and a directional twin a little better in powder. Both differences are fairly subtle. With the Paradise now having a small setback to go with it’s otherwise true twin shape, they are both directional twins now anyway.
Kelly says
Hi Nate! Great website! Your reviews are so incredibly helpful…thank you. I am on the market for a new board seeking your advice. I’m on the lower end of an intermediate rider level. I’m more of a casual resort cruising rider, mainly on groomed slopes with mixed conditions with the occasional trip out to the west coast. I’m 5’1, 140lbs wears size 6 women shoes. My current board is the GNU- BNice size 142, feel heavy. I would like a board I can progress in. I have been looking at the Lib Tech Dynamiss, Lib Tech Cortado, Capita Bird of feather. I like rocker profile snowboard, so I don’t catch an edge easily. I have the Burton binding step-on.
Thank you much.
Kelly
Nate says
Hi Kelly
Thanks for your message.
The Birds of a Feather is camber dominant and can be catchy if you’re not riding it more aggressively, so that’s probably not the best option. The Dynamiss is also camber dominant despite having some rocker between the feet. The Cortado could work, but not sure how much lighter you would find it versus the B Nice, with the original power construction core.
I would be leaning GNU Ladies Choice or Lib Tech No.43, looking at GNU/Lib Tech if you were looking at getting that progression but also with something lighter and still not catchy. The Never Summer Infinity would also be a great option, if you’re looking for that catch-free feeling of rocker between the feet, but something that can progress you further than something like the B Nice.
Hope this helps
Casey says
Hey, I’m helping my wife buy her first setup after renting a few times and would love some advice! She’s a beginner rider, able to link a few turns, but wants something she can grow into and use for years to come. So a twin that’s playful and forgiving but also able to cruise on our icy PA groomers would be ideal.
1. She is 5’2, 145-150lbs, and wears size 5.5-6 shoes. Any advice on board size? Was thinking high 140s but not totally sure
2. A local shop has the Salomon gypsy queen and she’s in love with it, looks like a good option but I am just a little worried it’s too camber shaped. But her edge control has been pretty good so far, she doesn’t seem to catch it that often so maybe it wouldn’t be too rough of a transition. If it’s a good option, would 147 be ok? She is slightly over the weight range but I was thinking since it’s a med flex board it would ride a little softer which might be good.
3. Any recs on bindings to match? Trying to find boots too but it’s hard finding stuff her size to try on in person
Nate says
Hi Casey
Thanks for your message.
1. In terms of sizing, I would say something around 148/149 as her “standard all-mountain” length – but as a beginner, she could certainly size down a little from that. Something in the range 145-147 would be a good bet.
2. The camber on the Gypsy is fairly mellow – and it’s got rocker towards the tip and tail that will help to mellow it out – it’s not a board that I would consider catchy. The main thing that makes it not a purely beginner board is that medium flex. But given that she wants something she can ride for years – and, as you said, in the 147 it will mellow out the flex a little bit. Not heaps, but a bit. Would be a steeper learning curve from a more true beginner board, but doable so long as she’s fairly determined and won’t be knocked off her stride/confidence too easily
Some other options, that are slightly more easy going flex-wise, but still something that she won’t grow out of too quickly:
– YES Emoticon 146 – this was the first board that came to mind, when I started reading your comment. It’s good in icy conditions, beginner friendly but also something you can ride for years to come without growing out of it too quickly.
– Arbor Poparazzi 147
– Never Summer Infinity 145 (or could push to the 148)
Of course there are other mid-flex options, but given that she has her eye on the Gypsy, if you decide to go mid-flex, the Gypsy is a good option, IMO.
3. If you go with the Gypsy or another that’s around that 5/10 flex, then I’d be leaning towards something like the Burton Escapade, Flux GS. Salomon Mirage or Burton Scribe. If one of the 4/10 flex boards, then I’d be looking at the Union Milan, Salomon Nova or K2 Meridian.
Also check out:
>>My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboards
>>My Top 5 Women’s Freestyle Snowboards
>>My Top 10 Women’s Beginner Snowboards
For boots, I’d be looking similar – if she ends up on the Gypsy, then looking more like 5/10 flex – if one of the softer boards, you could still go 5/10 – or you could go 4/10. Some options to look into:
>>My Top Women’s Beginner Boots
>>My Top Women’s Freestyle Snowboard Boots
Hope this helps
Andrew says
the fact you don’t even mention camber profiles is ludicrous. its pretty much the only factor that makes any board ride different then the next. get a job ya bum, stop offering up terrible advice. remind people to shop local and get the hell off the internet.
Nate says
Hi Andrew
Thanks for your well thought out comment.
I have to apologize that I left out the camber profiles in this post and that given that it’s the only important part of a snowboard and it’s such a hard spec to find, that I should completely shut down this page and the whole website. In fact since you’re such an expert, while I’m at it I should sign over all rights to you, so that you can create really helpful stuff with lists of boards and their camber profiles. Or maybe you could actually create something based off experience actually testing boards and taking into account every aspect of the boards. Maybe you could even do something like “Turning Ease” which takes into account the camber profile – but not just the name of the camber profile, but how that camber profile actually affects the ride – and other specs and feel of a board that affect “Turning Ease”. Oh and when you take over the website, maybe it would be a good idea to write some posts specifically camber profiles, since I’ve failed in my duty to realize the importance of them.
I’ve got one more great idea. In addition to listing camber profiles, you could actually go out and test hundreds of items of snowboard gear, to get hands on experience with that gear. I know it’s not as important as listing the camber profile but maybe it could supplement that information, even just a little bit?
Sorry, I don’t usually reply to
trollscomments this intelligent, but since you’re message was so insightful and inspiring, I thought I had better.Josh says
Awesome response!!! Well done
Nate says
Thanks Josh! I get one of those in about every 1000 comments, and I usually don’t take the bait and reply – but I was having a day, so I couldn’t help myself this time.
Alisa says
Hi Nate! Great site – super helpful as I look for a new board and bindings. Would love to get your advice on both. I’ve been riding for 10+yrs, currently on an old school Arbor. I think it’s a 152 or 154. I mostly ride groomers in Ontario – Blue Mountain and MSLM and have to deal with icy conditions. I’m 5’5 160lb size 9 shoe.
My bindings are due for an upgrade too. I’ve always had Flows. What board do you recommend what sizes and would love you get your thoughts on the new flow bindings vs. Burton step ins? Thanks again for all the help!
Nate says
Hi Alisa
Thanks for your message.
Assuming your at around an intermediate level (based on the page your commenting on), and what you’re describing, I think the YES Hello, Rossignol Airis would be your best bets. If you’re a solid or high-end intermediate rider, they would still suit, but you could also consider the likes of the Jones Twin Sister, Yes Hel Yes or something from this list if you don’t need something that’s good in powder.
Size-wise, I wouldn’t go any longer than 152. Something in the 149-152 range, IMO.
Hope this helps
Lindsay says
Hey Nat!
Love your page – super helpful as I look for a new board to progress in this season! Would love to get your advice, if possible. I’ve been riding a Burton Lyric 142 board with Stiletto bindings for about 8 years now. Time for an upgrade! I love zipping and floating down the mountain, and want my new board to have a little playfulness to it – while still maintaining edge control since we tend to have some icy conditions on the east coast. I like popping into the woods or hitting some box features when the conditions are good… but mostly just looking for a fun and reliable board that’s a little poppy. I’m 5’2″, 125lb, size 7.5 boot.
The Capita Paradise and Yes Emoticon both caught my eye, and they come in a 143. The Burton Flying V was high on my list but all of the smaller sizes are sold out, and it sounds a bit on the stiff side. The Burton Hideaway was another option but looks like it’s on your beginning board list (and only comes in a 144). The Arbor Paparazzi board sounds fun too! Any thoughts on these, or other boards I’m not considering? Thank you!!
Lindsay says
Nate*** sorry about that! 🙂
Nate says
Hi Lindsay
All good! And thanks for your message. Apologies for the late reply – doing a bit of a snowboarding tour right now, so quite behind on answering!
Firstly, in terms of size, I’d say something around that 142-144 range would be your best bet.
The Hideaway is quite a soft board, and more of a beginner board – I think you can step up from that to get a bit more performance. The Feelgood Flying V would be a good step up – and it’s still got some playfulness to it, but I find that Flying V profile isn’t the best in icy conditions.
The Paradise and Emoticon are both good options for what you’re describing, IMO. The Emoticon would be my pick of those 2, because it’s better in icy conditions. The YES Hello would also be a good option, but the smallest size is 146, unfortunately.
From those I would be leaning either Arbor Poparazzi Rocker (141 or 144) or YES Emoticon 143. There are other options too, but those would certainly work well – and I think are great options for what you’re describing, particularly if you’re around that low intermediate skill level.
Hope this helps
Kate says
Hi Nate, I was wondering if you could offer suggestions for a first board for someone who is a beginner but would like a board that wont have to be replaced that quickly as I process. I’m 5”2 95 pounds and a 6.5 shoe size. Thanks.
Nate says
Hi Kate
Thanks for your message.
I think you’re in the right place with this list. Size-wise, I would put you on something around 138 as your “standard all-mountain” size. That’s assuming an advanced level, so I would size down as a beginner – even for a board that you want to last longer through your progression. So something around 135/136, would be ideal as a size that will be easy to learn on, but that you won’t grow out of too quickly. But given the limited options, you might want to look up to 138.
Assuming you want something relatively versatile (i.e. not too freestyle or freeride specialist, but more do it all), I would be looking at:
– GNU Gloss 136
Not a lot in women’s boards in that size-range, you could look at youth boards to get more options in that size range. Or if you were happy to ride something a little longer, there are more options in 138.
– Arbor Poparazzi Rocker 138
– K2 Dreamsicle 138
– Salomon Gypsy 138
That being said, I think the Gloss is a great option – it’s beginner friendly but also something that you won’t have to upgrade from quickly and I think it’s the best size for you. But the other options here would certainly work too.
Hope this helps
Shana says
Hi Nate! I’m in the same boat here as Kate. I’m definitely more of a beginner but would like to invest in a board that can work with me as I progress up through intermediate levels. I’m not expecting to ever hit advanced levels—just really looking for something that is versatile and lets me keep up with friends on the slopes. I’ll be getting an epic or ikon pass this year and making several trips out, and i really don’t want to keep renting boards…so I would really love your advice! As far as my size, I hover right at 5’0, average around 125 lbs (anywhere between 120-130 depending on the time of year), and have size 6 Burton limelight boots. From your list, I was considering the capita paradise 141 (139 is all out) or the Yes basic 143 (smallest available). I think the Yes hello doesn’t get short enough? Would you recommend one over the other? Or a different one altogether? What size board is right for me? Thanks!
Shana says
Adding on to my initial post below…
I saw that the YES basic comes in youth sizes 138 and 142. Are youth boards a bad idea for my size?
Nate says
Hi Shana
Thanks for your messages.
I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 143. As a beginner I would be looking to size down a little from that and depending on width of board, you might want to size down again with 6s. So I think the Basic 143 is doable, but because of its width, ideally you’d want something more around 140 for the Basic, IMO. Doable, but borderline too big, IMO. The First Basic (youth version) is quite different, so I can’t really say whether that will be appropriate or not. But I suspect it would be something that you’d want to upgrade from sooner, in terms of progression, vs the Women’s Basic. It has a flat to rocker base to start with, so no camber in it’s profile – and has the Radial sidecut vs the Underbite of the Women’s Basic, so not likely to be as good in icy conditions. Also, the 142 is actually wider than the Women’s 143, so that size would actually be less suitable, IMO. The 138 would be doable, but again, because it’s likely to be less suitable as you progress, I don’t think it’s as suitable.
The Paradise 141 is a good option though, IMO. It’s narrower than the Basic, so better suited to your boot size, IMO – and I think 141 is a really good size for you. It’s a little down from that 143 but not too much, so it should serve you well as you progress, both in terms of size and the kind of board it is (easy to ride but gives more performance than a beginner board for when you need it later).
Long story short, I would go Paradise 141.
Hope this helps with your decision
Shana says
Hi Nate, thanks so much for the quick response! I think I’ll probably go with the Paradise 141 per your recommendation, but now I am also curious about the bataleon spirit 140. Is one better suited for my needs than the other? Also, do you have any advice about bindings that would go well with these options and my 6 burton limelights? Thanks again for taking the time to reply. Love your page and your advice is incredibly helpful! I super appreciate it and am glad to have found your page. =]
Shana says
Hi Nate, sorry for messaging again…but I think I have to go back to the drawing board. I’m thinking I would like to use a true twin board since I have been practicing on a friend’s burton yeasayer 140 (a true twin), and I really like the flexibility of riding switch. I see the capita paradise is a directional twin. I might be looking for a unicorn here…but are there any true twin options that are okay to learn on, good for progression/growth, and offered within my size range? I’ve been looking at:
-Yes basic 143 (again)
-Bataleon push up 140
-Gnu velvet 139/143
-Gnu b nice 139/142 (not sure if this will be outprogressed too soon?)
-Honestly, I’m open to any true twin suggestions!
Also, not sure if this info will make a difference, but I’m super duck-footed, so I ride +21,-21 to avoid bad knee pain. I think that makes me a little weird hehe, but maybe I’ll be able to pull them in to 15 one day lol. Anyway, just wanted to let you know in case that would make a difference in your recs. Thanks so much again!
Shana says
Or should I stick to the burton yeasayer and purchase my own burton yeasayer flying V 140? (been using the 2022 burton yeasayer 140). Sorry for triple messaging…
Nate says
Hi Shana
Sorry it took me a while to reply, I’ve been out all day the last couple of days testing gear. The Paradise, and directional twins in general, are still good for riding switch, but I understand if you want to go true twin to get that really good switch experience. There are plenty of true twins that fit your requirements, so I think you’re fine there.
I like the Bataleon Push Up 140 and GNU Velvet 139 from your list or the Yeasayer 140, given you’ve experienced it and sounds like you liked it. The Basic would be a good option, but like discussed previously, sizing isn’t ideal with the 143. Doable, but I like the sizing of the 3 mentioned above more. The B Nice might be something that you grow out of a bit quick, unless you were going to get it as a dedicated park board and get another more directional all-mountain board to compliment it.
Jaclynn Neiman says
Hi Nate – Your reviews are so incredibly helpful thank you! I am on the market for a new board that will take my intermediate skills to the next level. I have ridden a Burton feather that I learned on around 5-10 days a year for the past 12ish years. I love to go fast so need that edge confidence but also want some flex and to progress my park skills. Usually on groomed slopes mixed conditions on the east coast with the occasional trip out west for some powder. I am eyeing the Solomon Gypsy for an all mountain freestyle ride. I am 5’4 125 lbs and 7.5-8 US shoe size so thinking of going with the 147 cm with a medium binding. Would love your thoughts if I am on the right track here. Stoked to finally get a new board.
Nate says
Hi Jaclynn
Thanks for your message.
I think the Gypsy could definitely work for what you’re describing. Size-wise, I would put you at around 145 as your “standard all-mountain” size for your specs. As a more freestyle oriented board and one that has a little more effective edge versus overall length than the average board, I would be erring shorter than longer, so I’d be leaning to the 143. 147 wouldn’t be wrong, but given you want to progress your park skills and for the particular board, I’d be leaning 143.
Binding size will depend on the brand, but with your boot size, you’re likely medium for a majority of them, but just double check when you’re buying to make sure – each brand’s sizing’s differ slightly.
Hope this helps
Ivonne says
Hi Nate! Thank you for all the amazing posts and comments. They super helpful! I recently started snowboarding and my partner and I are thinking of getting our own (after renting a few times). I’m a mid level beginner but I would like to buy something that’s going to last me a while and as many seasons as possible. I’m living on the east coast and I believe here conditions can get pretty icy. I want to get a board that will be a good all-round (all mountain and good on ice) and beginner friendly but one that will still allow me to progress in the upcoming years. So far (based on your reviews and what I’ve learned) I’ve narrowed my choices to: Paradise, Dream catcher, ladies choice and hello yes. For reference, I’m 5’2 and weigh around 115-120, my boot size is 6. My partner is 5’4 110-115 lbs with boot size 7.5. What board do you recommend and what sizes? Thanks again for all the help you provide!
Nate says
Hi Ivonne
Thanks for your message. And apologies for the slower than usual response. Christmas vacation with family right now, so less chances to reply here.
Firstly in terms of sizing, I think both would be good on something 142/143, assuming an advanced level and appropriate width for boot size. Given your boot size, going shorter might be appropriate depending on the board – and if both in that mid-beginner level, then going down a little from that 142/143 size is a good idea too.
The YES Hello would be a very good option, IMO, except that the smallest size is too big, IMO.
The Paradise I think would work well for you, given the narrower width – the 139 would be a good bet, but the 141 would also be doable. For your partner for the Paradise, the 141 would be the best, IMO, as the 139 would be borderline too narrow. Probably OK, but risking it a little. The only downside to the Paradise is that it’s not as good in icy conditions as the Hello or the Ladies Choice.
The Dream Catcher is a little more advanced and may not strike as good a balance as the Hello and Paradise, in terms of being both good for right now and something that will last you a while. It’s going to be a steeper learning curve to begin with.
The Ladies Choice is somewhere in between the Hello/Paradise and the Dream Catcher in terms of progressing on. It won’t be as easy to progress on as the Hello and the Paradise, but it won’t be as steep a learning curve as the Dream Catcher, IMO. That’s not to say that the Dream Catcher is a super advanced level or anything, but it’s maybe just a little step too far. The Ladies Choice would be a stretch, but more doable than the DC, IMO.
Size-wise for the Ladies Choice, I really like the 139.5 for you. It’s nice and narrow and I think that length/width would be a great size for you, particularly to begin with, but still won’t be too small as you progress. For your partner the 139.5 would be too narrow, so would have to be the 142.5, which is getting on the bigger side.
So between those boards, I think it’s between the Paradise and Ladies Choice, with the Paradise being the slightly easier one for progression but the Ladies Choice better for icy conditions. Size-wise, the Ladies Choice 139.5 would be what I’d be leaning towards for you or 139 for the Paradise. And 141 for the Paradise or 142.5 for the Ladies Choice.
Hope this helps with your decision
Ivonne says
Hi Nate! Hope you are enjoying the holidays and thanks for the detailed reply. It has been very helpful. We have been debating between those boards but we also found the yes emoticon. Based on reviews, it seems that the yes emoticon may be the easiest one for us to progress on. Do you think the yes emoticon may be a better fit compared to Paradise or ladies choice? Thanks and hope you enjoy the rest of the holidays
Nate says
Hi Ivonne
I think the Emoticon would be the easier option to progress on. The only question mark would be the size. Particularly for you, I think the 143 is getting a little too big when you take into account width and length. More doable size-wise for your partner. And doable for you too. But just on the bigger end of your range, IMO.
Dia says
Hi, this is an awesome site! Similar to others, I’ve gone down a bit of a rabbit hole researching boards.
I haven’t been riding in about 8 years, so looking for an all-mountain board to build back my confidence and help me progress, but also a board I can stay with for a while and dabble in different terrain. Before my hiatus, I’d say I was an intermediate rider: linking turns down groomers, mostly in icier resort conditions, very comfortable on greens and blues, and able to make it down blacks but not necessarily super comfortably or confidently. I live in Colorado now, so looking for a board that I can learn to take on different skills and terrain as well.
I previously had a used Never Summer Infinity, maybe from 2009-ish. Awesome board and I loved it, but I also remember it wishing it was a bit stiffer. This winter, I rented a Rossi Airis, which was fine, but I’m curious how it compares to some of the other models out there.
Specs wise, I’m 5’3″, about 140lbs, usually riding around 146.
I’ve been looking at a few of the all-mountain boards on this list, and some others, and curious to hear your take:
-NS Infinity
-Rossi Airis
-Capita Paradise
-Yes Hello
-Jones Dreamcatcher
-Yes Hel Yes (though I’m worried it might be a bit too much for my level and might make this building back period less fun)
Which of these do you think would be the best fit for what I’m looking for? Any that you definitely wouldn’t recommend or that I should consider instead? Thank you!
Nate says
Hi Dia
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of size, I think anything around 146 definitely works for your specs. But if you could also let me know your boot size (which is also important for sizing), I would be happy to recommend sizes for specific boards.
-NS Infinity – this is softer than the Airis, so if you found it soft previously, then gotta take that into account
-Rossi Airis – you’ve already tried it and it sounds like you liked it but didn’t love it. A safe bet, but not necessarily an exciting one? If I’m ready you right?
-Capita Paradise – Similar in flex to the Airis. A lighter board for sure, but otherwise quite similar.
-Yes Hello – Again a similar flex, maybe marginally softer than the Airis, but pretty close. It’s a nice versatile board and think it would be great for getting back into it and still being a board you could continue with
-Jones Dreamcatcher – a little stiffer and a little more advanced – this, along with the Hel Yes, would be the hardest to transition back in.
-Yes Hel Yes – again a little stiffer and a little steeper re-learning curve, but would be good once you pushed through that.
The other one I would mention is the Jones Twin Sister, which is again a little stiffer than the likes of the Airis, but a little easier going than the likes of the Dream Catcher and Hel Yes. Still a slightly harder transition than the likes of the Airis, Hello, Paradise and Infinity, but a little easier than the Dream Catcher and Hel Yes. Twin Sister, Dream Catcher and Hel Yes still intermediate suitable, but more solid intermediate than lower end intermediate, if that makes sense.
Hope this helps
Dia says
Thanks for replying, Nate! Appreciate your insights.
I’m size 8 women’s boot.
I think I’m leaning away from the Infinity (its flex, but also to try something new) and the Airis (as you said, safe and fine, but not exciting…). If the Airis and Paradise are quite similar, I’m debating dropping it off my shortlist too.
-Yes Hello vs Hel Yes: The Hello sounds like a great board, and really well suited to where I am today. It also sounds like it’s a bit in the shadow of the Hel Yes, so may be worth it to push through, as you said, with a board that might be a better fit or last me a little longer on the other side.
-Jones Dream Catcher: I love what I’m hearing about this board, and it sounds like it might tee me up for when I’m ready to start exploring powder, trees, backcountry, etc.
-Jones Twin Sister: I hadn’t shortlisted this originally since it seemed more for parks (vs slightly more for powder or backcountry like the DC), but I’m wondering now if it’s an easier, slightly softer, all-mountain set up that wouldn’t commit me to a directional board.
I’m more of a casual rider, more interested in cruising or exploring or playing around, rather than aggressively bombing runs. I’d been slightly leaning towards the DC, but now wondering if one of the other boards have a personality that’s a better fit.
In terms of friendliness for an early intermediate, it sounds like it would go Hello > TS > DC > Hel Yes, is that right?
How would you rank them in terms of ease of progressing?
Nate says
Hi Dia
Yeah, I would say, in terms of ease of progressing:
– Hello
– Twin Sister
– Hel Yes/Dream Catcher on the same level
Twin Sister is a really versatile board. It’s more freestyle oriented than the Dream Catcher for sure, but it’s certainly not what I’d call a park board. A good “do-it-all” kind of board.
Size-wise for those 4, I would say:
– Hello 146
– Hel Yes 146
– TS 146
– DC 148 – it’s the kind of board you can ride a little longer – the 148 is more like a 145/146 in the other boards.
And all work well with your boot size, IMO.
Olivia says
Hi Nate,
This site is awesome, thanks so much for all your insights!
I have been riding for a number of years but have never actually bought a snowboard fitted for me. My first was from a yard sale and the second was an old MLY 151cm hand me down from a friend which he gave me when he upgraded. Through the years I’ve upgraded my gear piece by piece and this year i decided to buy a new board. Im super excited but still a little unsure about whether i chose the right size. Im 5’5.5” and weigh about 115 lbs. my boots and bindings are burton size 8 and medium respectively. I was looking for an all mountain board that would give me the flexibility to try different things with just one board. I’ve done some rails and boxes in the progression park and enjoy trying small jumps but don’t really plan to do anything extreme. Im pretty confident on blues and can do some easy blacks with more effort. I mainly ride in the east so conditions can get icy but occasionally i might ride with a friend in Colorado. I like speed but I’m sure my idea of fast wouldn’t meet everyones definition haha. I would like a board in a size that will allow me to keep progressing. I bought a Rossignol Frenemy 147cm. Do you think this is the right size for what I’m looking for? I tried to follow the guidelines i found online for sizing but Im questioning if i should’ve gotten the 150 for stability mostly because I’m used to a longer board.
Nate says
Hi Olivia
Thanks for your message.
Given everything you’re describing, I think the Frenemy should work well for you. A good balance of being decent at speed, but still playful enough and something you can ride in the park too. And good in icy conditions – and good for your level of riding, which I would describe (at a guess, just going off what you’re describing) as a solid intermediate level.
Size-wise, I would have said 144 though for your specs. But given that you’re used to riding a 151, I think you’ll be fine on the 147. 150 too big though, IMO, and the 151 you’ve been riding too big, IMO, for your specs. But yeah, given that you’ve been riding 151 and that you were questioning whether to go to 150, I think the 147 should work fine for you. I wouldn’t go longer than that though for your specs.
Hope this helps with your decision
Olivia says
Yes it definitely does!
I do think my last board was too big overall so I’m excited to try something that is a better fit. Sorry for not specifying in my previous message but yeah, I’d say I fall into the intermediate category.
I really appreciate you getting back to me so quickly and feel better now about not having sized up any further.
Thank you so much!!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Olivia. Happy riding!
Elena says
Hi Nate!
After long thoughts I will go with Never Summer Infinity. I think that Gnu Ravish will be a little to much for now and unexpectedly I didn’t like it when saw it in person 🙁
But can`t deside about sizing. Should I get 142 or 145?
And what bindings will work with Infinity?
Thank a lot 🙂
Nate says
Hey Elena
I think 145, unless you’re going to be doing a lot of trees/freestyle riding, then I think the 142 would work, otherwise, 145 for sure.
In terms of bindings, I’d be lining up something with either a 4/10 or 5/10 flex. Something from one of the following, with that flex range, would work well, IMO:
>>Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Elena says
Hi Nate!
Thank a lot for the explanation. So, I think Ravish will be OK 🙂
Will think about bindings a little, maybe Lexa will be the right choice 🙂
But what about boots? My Burton Limelight will work? Or I should get a stiffer boots too?
Nate says
Hi Elena
I don’t think it’s necessary to change your boots. If you were being really fussy, you could go something a little stiffer. But I wouldn’t change them yet. Maybe when they wear out and you need to change boots anyway but for now I wouldn’t change them.
Elena says
Hi Nate!
Already start riding this season with my lovely Gnu Chromatic 🙂
And keep thinking about new board and would like to ask you once more. Can you explain the difference between Gnu Ravish and Rossignol Airis. I think that Airis may an option too?
What can you say?
Thanks a lot 🙂
Nate says
Hi Elena
Awesome that you’ve already had a chance to start riding!
Haven’t had the Ravish tested, so can’t give you first hand insight, but I would predict the following differences and similarities, based on similar GNU boards:
– Ravish a little bit of a looser feel – it’s a Hybrid Rocker (GNU’s C2 profile) which is typically a bit of a looser, surfier feel. The Airis has a Hybrid Camber (which is camber between the feet rather than rocker) which is more stable feel.
– Ravish probably marginally stiffer, but not too far apart in terms of flex
– Ravish is likely a little better in powder – it has subtle taper and a larger setback than the Airis. But both will be decent in powder, but the Ravish probably a little better.
– Airis a little better for riding switch
So some subtle differences really, but the feel will be quite different. So, it kind of depends if you’d prefer a bit of a surfier feel or a more stable feel.
Elena says
Hi Nate! Thank a lot for the explanations. So hard to decide 🙂
And Never Summer Infinity more similar to Gnu Ravish?
Nate says
Hi Elena
I would say that the Infinity is more similar to Ravish in terms of feel – like being a little on the looser side in terms of feel. But it’s a little softer flexing than the Airis.
Lindsay says
Hey Nate!
I keep coming across your posts in my quest to find an all mountain freestyle board. I have a freeride/powder board for deeper days, but I like to ride switch a lot and and want to push my freestyle more next season. But I am trying to find a deal in the off season and have looked at the Capita Birds of a Feather and the Yes Emoticon. I ride a lot and pretty aggressive, I guess, so thought the Capita board might be able to better handle speed but also live in Revelstoke, where the snow can get hard/icy, so that has me thinking the Yes board?? Again, I am choosing from what I see available. I would appreciate your thoughts!
Nate says
Hi Lindsay
Thanks for your message.
Definitely hear where you’re coming from – the Birds of a Feather sounds like a closer fit due to your style, but the Emoticon is better in icy conditions, so there is a trade off there. YES are coming out with a YES Rival for their 2022 line which would be ideal, I think (depending on sizing) but I know that’s not helpful for right now, given that you’re looking at getting an off season deal. Without knowing what you have available, I would say:
– Arbor Cadence Camber
– GNU Pro Choice
– Lib Tech No.43
– Lib Tech Ryme
– Never Summer Women’s Proto Synthesis
– Niche Nightshade
– Salomon Rumble Fish
– Salomon Gypsy or Gypsy Pro
– Salomon No Drama
If you see any of those.
Between the Birds of a Feather and Emoticon, I would be leaning Birds of a Feather just because of your style – and it’s not hopeless in icy conditions or anything. It’s not as good as those listed above – or the Emoticon, but it’s not going to be dreadful either – so I guess it depends on how much you want it to be good in those icy conditions. The Emoticon is quite a bit more playful – definitely a good one for upping your freestyle game, but you might find it a little wanting, when you’re wanting to bomb.
Hope this helps
Elena says
Hi Nate! Thanks to you I get a really great setup and rize my confidence to the next level and now by your skill level I’m 5 intermediate. I enjoy to ride my Gnu Chromatic board but understand that I want a stiffer board (but not very stiff). I will continue to ride all-mountain and switch but want to try powder also.
So, need your advice again 🙂
I’m 59-60 kg, 162 cm and boot size is US 8 (I have Burton Limelite boots)
Keep thinking between the boards below:
Gnu Ladies Choice
Gnu Ravish (new for 2022)
Roxy Smoothie (but I think It`s a little to much for my level?)
Roxy Breeze (new to 2022)
Lib Tech Cortado
Any other options will be great too!
Nate says
Hi Elena
Thanks for your message.
Between those options, if you want the board to be really good for riding switch and OK for powder, but not as good as the others, then the Ladies Choice is the way to go. If you’re less concerned about switch, then the others are all better in powder. They’re all going to be a little stiffer and all have a bit more camber in the profile, compared to the Chromatic. The Ladies Choice is the most camber dominant of them with the C2X profile. The rest have the C2 profile, which is still more camber than the BTX, but more subtle camber than the C2X. The C2X (Ladies Choice) still isn’t super technical/aggressive and would be fine for an intermediate 5, IMO.
The Ravish, Smoothie, Breeze and Cortado could all work (if you’re looking to maximize powder more than switch). The Cortado being the softer easier going option versus the Ravish, but the Ravish doesn’t look to be too stiff. I haven’t had any experience with Roxy boards, but being Mervin made, they will be similar to the GNU/Lib Tech options. The Smoothie does look to be the stiffer option, maybe similar to the Ravish or even slightly stiffer. The Breeze looks to be closer in flex to the Cortado, or potentially even a little softer.
The Cortado and Smoothie seem to be the most directional (more setback and more taper), so are likely to be the better options in powder, but the least good for riding switch.
The Ravish and Breeze aren’t setback as much, so riding switch will be a little better on them.
So, if you’re looking to balance switch and powder, then I would be leaning Ravish or Breeze, depending if you wanted to err on the slightly stiffer side (Ravish) or the slightly softer side (Breeze). I don’t think the Ravish will be overly stiff (I tried to get a tester on the Ravish this winter, but wasn’t able to unfortunately, so not entirely sure how stiff it feels).
But the Ladies Choice is still an option, if you want better switch riding. It’s not as good in the others for powder, but if you’re not seeing it that much or if it’s never that deep, then it will be fine in that respect.
Size-wise, something in the 143-146 range would be a good bet, IMO, except the Cortado, which is a wider board – if you went Cortado, I would go 142. For the others, anything in the 143-146 range should be good width-wise, with the Smoothie 143 and Breeze 144 being on the narrower side, but still within your range, IMO. If you decide on a board and are debating the sizing, let me know, and we can go through the pros and cons of each size option.
Hope this helps
Elena says
Hi Nate, thanks a lot! After your explanations I start thinking that maybe it will be easier to go with two different boards 🤣
But I have to choose one.
First, I thought about Ladies choice but can’t decide about the size.
And now I’m thinking about Ravish too.
And what bindings will be good with Ravish?
Nate says
Hi Elena
Size-wise for the Ladies Choice, I would say probably the 145.5, but the 142.5 is also an option. The 142.5 if you were going to be a fair bit of freestyle riding and/or trees, otherwise, I’d say 145.5.
Size-wise for the Ravish, it’s a tough choice between the 143 and 146. The 143 would give you a little more maneuverability and would mellow the board out a bit more. If you were riding a lot of trees, then I’d be leaning 143 or if you just wanted to have an easier going ride. The 146 would be better in powder (though this board should be good in powder anyway) and more stable at higher speeds.
Bindings for the Ravish, I would say go around 6/10 flex-wise. Something from here – >>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings – like the Burton Lexa, Union Trilogy or K2 Hue – or something like the Union Legacy, I think would be really good matches to the Ravish.
Elena says
Hi Nate! And what about Bent metal Forte? Will it work with Ravish?
And I’m afraid of Ravish a little. Wouldn’t it be too stiff for my level?
Maybe I should go with Roxy Breeze?
Nate says
Hi Elena
It’s hard to say flex-wise with the Ravish having not had any experience with it. But looking at the Flex scale and comparing other GNU or Lib Tech boards that are rated similarly, I would guess that it’s more of a mid flex than a mid-stiff flex. But couldn’t say for sure. And the C2 profile is pretty easy going. So, if I had to guess I would say it’s fine for your level, but that’s only based on specs and experience with other GNU/Lib Tech boards. The Breeze certainly does look to be softer flexing, so that would be the safer call, if you wanted to make sure you weren’t getting too much board.
I think the Bent Metal Forte would be a good match to the Ravish. I haven’t had a ton of experience with Bent Metal bindings, but when I have ridden them, I’ve liked them. They’re simple but do the job.
Alexandra says
Hi Nate!
Love this website, it’s THE reference in snowboard.
I would like to get your advices for my first board and bindings.
I already get my boots (Burton Ritual LTD Boa), only ride 2 times with them and I love them so much (The rental boots were not fitted at all and were an obstacle in my progress), but the choice have been hard between the Burton Felix Boa, maybe I’ll bought them too 😅
I’ve been only ride with rental board and bindings (Board : Rossignol EXP regular 140 and bindings : Rossignol reply 4×4 s/m , I try a softer bindings for 10 minutes but I hated it, I don’t remember what it was, just remember the ankle strap was cushioned fabric).
I think I’m a medley 5-6 level (ending begginer and lower intermediate) I’m linking my turns, I started ride switch and do basic turns in switch. I can’t wait to try my first jump and try 360 and any tricks of that kind. I would like to progress fast. I have been riding only 6 days, in the learning slope (almost like a blue) and in a green slope.
I only ride on groom, and the snow was hard and icy except 1 time was spring conditions.
I don’t know if I would like powder, I have interest in park and half-pipe but didn’t try yet, interest in carving too but I need to get more confident with speed. A thing is sure, I discovered a passion and I will go ride every week next season.
I don’t care about the price, I prefer high quality and performance rather then cheap price.
I’m 155cm, my weight varies between 120 and 130lbs and my boot size is 6.5.
For the bindings, I think I could love the Burton Escapade Re:Flex but I’m not sure if it’s too stiff for my level and if I would be better to consider others options.
For the board, I’m interested by the Capita Paradise, the Capita Space Metal Fantasy, the YES Hello and the Burton Feelgood Flying V, I’m not sure if the last two are too stiff for my level and maybe there is others boards that I should consider too who could fit better to my needs. I think I would like a playful board, that is easy to turn but that I can also have a good control to go explore the mountain.
I absolutely need your advice 🙂 Thanks for your help!
Nate says
Hi Alexandra
Thanks for your message.
In terms of bindings, I think the Escapade are going to work well for you. I don’t test Rossignol bindings, so I’m not sure how stiff the Reply bindings are, but it sounds like you didn’t like softer bindings. The Escapade aren’t super stiff or anything, but their not soft either – I would say a 5/10 flex. At your level and how you described your experience with softer bindings, I think the Escapade would work well – and are a good flex match with the Burton Ritual LTD Boa too.
For the board, I think you’re on the right track with what you’re looking at. I think those would all work for your level, and all are suitable for riding freestyle (jumps, spins etc), which it sounds like you want to get into. The Space Metal Fantasy will be the easiest of those to progress on and will likely provide you with the fastest progression, but it’s more park/freestyle oriented and once you start to advance you might find it lacking for the likes of carves. The Hello, Paradise and Feelgood Flying V are all roughly the same flex – around 5/10 – with the Hello feeling just marginally softer (4.5/10). They would all be a good match with your boots. Whilst they would be a little more challenging in terms of getting started with things like jumps and spins, they will be fine for those things once you become more advanced. And they will be better for riding faster than something like the Space Metal Fantasy. But if you want the fastest progression and want the fastest park/freestyle progression, then the Space Metal Fantasy is going to provide it – you would just probably want to consider upgrading to a better all-mountain board, for carving/speed etc, once you become more advanced.
The Hello is the best option for icy conditions of those 4, IMO, so that’s something else to consider.
Another option that you could consider the YES Emoticon. It’s a little softer and easier going than the Hello/Feelgood Flying V/Paradise, but it’s still really good in hard/icy conditions. And whilst it is more freestyle focused, it’s still a little better for speed and carving than the likes of the Space Metal Fantasy – so it’s kind of in the middle of those, if that makes sense.
Hope this helps with your decision
Alexandra says
Hi Nate!
Thanks for your fast reply. Of course it’s help me a lot with my decision. I wasn’t so sure about the bindings vs my level, but now with you’re help I know it’s a good choice.
I think I will go with the Space Metal Fantasy as my first board and I will buy a second board all-mountain when I’ll be more advanced and it will be easier to know my specifics need at this time, who could change during my progression and I’ll have a better idea about the mountain snow conditions in Quebec, Canada.
So now the question is, which lenght between the 141 and the 143 will fit better to me?
Nate says
Hi Alexandra
If you’re going to go Space Metal Fantasy I would probably go 141. You could definitely ride 143 as well, but given that you’ll be upgrading later, you can go longer the if you feel the need. And if you ended up keeping this as your park/freestyle deck, then the 141 would be a better size for that too.
Alexandra says
Hi Nate!
It’s make sens, but unfortunately my plan don’t work : there is no more 141 😞 and I don’t like so much the graphics of the new 2022 … I could find a 143 but a full price and like you said I be better with the 141 as a freestyle/park board.
So, I looked at what’s available :
– Yes Emoticon 143/146 with a little discount (not my prefered graphic but could be ok)
– Yes Hello 146 with a little discount (146 seems to be a little long for me?)
And I can wait for a 2022 :
– GNU Ladies choice 142.5/145.5 (I forgot to ask your opinion about this one)
– GNU Gloss 140
– Burton Feelgood Flying V 142
If I go with the GNU Ladies choice or Burton Feelgood Flying V or Yes Hello, i could maybe buy a beginner board (but I don’t know which one could be good) to do the transition. Do you think it’s a better idea or these boards are fun enough to learn at my level and not get discouraged?
Hope you’re not discouraged about my questions 😅
Alexandra says
Hi Nate!
For the GNU Ladies Choice, I made a mistake for the size, I’m not sure between 139.5 and 142.5
Nate says
Hi Alexandra
For the Hello, I think the 146 is just a little too long. Wish they’d do a 143 for that board.
For the Ladies Choice, I would go 142.5 for you.
The Gloss in 140 would work, but it would probably be the same thinking as with the Space Metal Fantasy – something that you could keep as your park board down the line. Whereas, if you went something like Ladies Choice 142.5, it would be the kind of board you could have for as long as you wanted it. Same with the Feelgood Flying V 142. Between the Ladies Choice and Feelgood Flying V, the biggest thing is that the Ladies Choice will give much better edge hold in hard/icy conditions.
The YES Emoticon 143 would be a very good choice, IMO. Something that will be easy to progress on but that will last a long time progression-wise. And at 143 it isn’t a size that you’d have to upgrade from later either.
The Ladies Choice and Feelgood Flying V (particularly the Ladies Choice) are a little more advanced, but their still low intermediate friendly. A little steeper of a learning curve, but definitely not out of range for an intermediate level, IMO.
Alexandra says
Thank for your message, I like to hear your opinion, it help me to define what I really need 🙂
But I still hesitating between the LC and the Emoticon… I’m about to buy both (both have good discount), it’s so hard to choose without try them.
Can you tell me the pro’s and con’s for both boards.
* I just want to make a little precision on my ride type, I would like to do freestyle tricks (like jumps and spins) some butter tricks but not jibbing. I would like to ride moguls too.
I read the LC feel heavy, but I didn’t find how much it weight… is it a small difference (less than 1000g) or is it more like 2x the Emoticon weight? Think it’s an important thing to consider as I want to try penguin walk and things like that… and for the chair lift too (if it’s a lot heavy).
An other point to consider: the LC have a sintered base, is it a lot faster then the Emoticon or almost same? Is it doable to adjust waxing time to be less faster at beginning or it will make things harder?
Nate says
Hi Alexandra
Pros and cons between Ladies Choice and Emoticon, I would say:
– LC overall better for jumps, but that’s taking into account bigger jumps, if you’re not looking to hit anything too big, then both really good for jumps
– LC a little more stable at speed
– LC a little better in powder
– Emoticon is easier to butter (both are good for butters, but the Emoticon a little easier)
– For spins overall the LC is better, but that’s taking into account bigger tricks. If you’re just looking at smaller tricks, then Emoticon probably takes, it being lighter and a little softer flexing
– I would say the Emoticon is a little more nimble at slower speeds – but the LC is definitely not slouch for those short sharp turns, so both do well in moguls.
1000 grams is a big difference in weight! To put it in perspective, the heaviest women’s board I’ve weighed is 2,820grams and the lightest is 2,290grams. So between the heaviest and lightest is 530 grams. But that amount of weight is very noticeable. Weight also depends on size, so a bigger board is going to weight more, all else being equal. So I like to note the “grams per centimeter of each board”. The LC is heavier than the Emoticon. The last Emoticon I weighed was the 2020 model and it was 2480g in the 149 size (16.64g/cm). The last LC I weighed was the 2022 model and weighed 2660g in the 148.5 size (17.91g/cm). 180g difference doesn’t sound like much, but you can notice it. The sizes you’re looking at will weight less than that of course. But yeah if going light is important to you, then the Emoticon is lighter in my experience.
The LC is certainly faster than the Emoticon – and you do have to wax it more often, being a sintered base. In terms of trying to make the LC slower to start with you could wax it less, but I find that when you start doing that you get an inconsistent glide as wax wears from some areas more than others, so it’s not something I like to do.
Alexandra says
Thank you so much for your amazing knowledge and explanations.
Nate says
You’re very welcome Alexandra
Emily says
Hi Nate, wow I just went down a serious rabbit hole! Hope you can help me. I’m 5’3”, 145lbs (I gained some covid weight ugh), and I have new Thirty two lashed boots in an 8. I am somewhere between a level 5-6, but I mostly just cruise around with my kids on blues these days and my knees are a little arthritic so not doing anything crazy. I’ve rode for 24 years off and on but getting back into it much more these days. I ride in Vermont and occasionally Utah. I bought a 2020 Rossi Diva 148 demo with Ride VXN bindings in the beginning of this season. I like the Diva a lot but I think it might be too long for me and I want something that’s easy to turn for my knees. Reading all the comments, maybe the frenemy or infinity or Jones TS or DC? What size? Thoughts? I feel like my bindings are really soft too. Thanks in advance!
Nate says
Hi Emily
Thanks for your message.
I think there is a bit of mis-match between board and bindings there. The Diva is quite stiff and the VXN quite soft flexing (like you suspected). A stiffer board is typically harder work to turn on, and even more so when you’ve got bindings that are too soft to drive it. I don’t think the size is too long. It’s about right, IMO, but I think it’s probably too stiff for what you want, given you want it to be easy turning and easy on the knees.
The Frenemy and Infinity are really easy going boards and should find them nice and easy to turn on. The Twin Sister is a little more work, but still pretty easy to turn – and the Dream Catcher just a little bit more again, but still not quite to the same extent as the Diva.
Size-wise, I’d say:
– Frenemy 147 (or you could go 150 too, but if you want to make it easier to turn, then 147 would certainly work)
– Infinity 147 (or you could go 149)
– TS 149 (but if you wanted to mellow it out some more, then 146 would be doable)
– DC 151 (this is a board that should be ridden a little longer – but if you wanted to mellow it out, then 148 is still doable)
In terms of bindings, I would still go a little stiffer if you went with one of these boards. Though they aren’t as stiff as the Diva, I think something a little stiffer is still a good idea. Though, if you went with the Frenemy, which is the softest flexing of these boards, you could probably stick with VXN. If you went Frenemy, I would try to get something with a 5/10 to 6/10 flex. If you went TS, I’d try to go 6/10 flex and if you went DC, I would go 6/10 to 7/10 flex. Some good options:
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps
Linda Ha says
Hi Nate,
I’m so happy I came across a website and responds with so much guidance!
I’m in need of some help. I’m pretty new to snowboarding and am in my 3rd season and really got into it this season. I got my board used and just realized this year that it was wayyyyy too short for me. I would like to invest a board that I’ll grown into as I improve my riding skills. I’d say I am a high beginner to low intermediate rider and am typically going down a green- blue.
I’m 5’0, 130 lbs, and just bought the 32 STW BOA boots in size 6.5.
I was looking at the Never Summer Infinity but need help finding the appropriate size. I’m also open to other boards as well.
Thank you so much!
Nate says
Hi Linda
Thanks for your message.
I think the Infinity would be a great option for what you’re describing. Certainly others fit the bill too, but the Infinity, IMO, would work really well, so if you’re gravitating towards that, I’d say go for it.
Size-wise, I’d be weighing up between the 142 and 145. I’d say definitely 142 if you were a complete beginner – and it’s a toss up between the sizes at your level. 145 would be your best size at an advanced level, IMO, but 142 would work as you became more advanced too and would likely be easier to progress on in the present. What size are you coming from? If you’re coming from something super short, then that might lean more to going 142, so that it’s not too much of a shock!
Hope this helps
Angela says
Dear Nate:
Wow! Thanks for your detailed review. Seeing your terrific replies to the other women, I was wondering if you can also give me a Snowboard suggestion. I only snowboard 1-2times per year. Based on your skill ratings, I am an Intermediate Level 5. I am 5ft tall and 125pounds with size 7 snowboard shoes. I’m currently riding a Used 145 cm Vista Ride Snowboard (so I don’t know what year it is) with new Burton Lexa bindings. I’m interested in buying a new All Mountain Board.
1) Should I keep the 145cm size?
2) Which snowboard would you recommend since I do not snowboard often?
Nate says
Hi Angela
Thanks for your message
I would size down a little bit – to around 142, 143.
Since you don’t snowboard that often, I think it’s nice to have something that you can get on and straight away feel comfortable and confident on, so that you’re not having to spend too much time getting back up to speed (as is sometimes the case with a stiffer or more technical board to ride). So I would look at something like the YES Emoticon or Never Summer Infinity, Capita Paradise, Rossignol Frenemy or YES Hello.
Hope this helps
Becky says
Hi Nate,
Found your site really helpful. I am a beginner having learn’t in the Autumn of 2020 at an indoor slope in the UK. Was hoping to get to a mountain this year but looking very unlikely now. I am looking for a board to progress with and love. I am 37 127lb 5.5 and us size 8. I am a nervous rider but gaining confidence. Looking for an all mountain board, nothing aggressive. I had liked the Jones Twin Sister but feel its most likely too advanced and stiff for me. I do like the NS Infinity but at the moment isnt available in the UK, was the previous 2020 version very similar? Thanks
Nate says
Hi Becky
Thanks for your message.
I think the Infinity would be a really good option for what you’re describing. It’s a very easy going board, but still great performance and good quality. It’s a board that hasn’t changed for a good few years, so if you were able to get hold of a 2020, or even a 2019 or 2018 version of it, that would be the way to go.
Size-wise, if you still feel like you’re a beginner and if you’re looking to build confidence, then I think the 142, which will be even easier going than the 145, would be a good bet. I would say 145 is the more pure size for you, at a more advanced level, but for now, I would be leaning 142.
Other good options, if you can’t find that, is the YES Emoticon 143 or the Arbor Poparazzi Rocker 144, K2 Dreamsicle 142, GNU Velvet 143 or GNU Gloss 144.
Hope this helps
Tatianna Spector says
Hey Nate,
I’m kind of in an information overload at the moment.
I’ve been riding a (147 I think?) 2015 K2 Spot Lite for four years now but am looking for something that can help me carve/float easier and give me a bit more speed. I’m most comfortable on green and blue groomers but have gone down a few blacks. I don’t feel like I have as much control as I’d like. My boot size is 9 and I’ve been looking at the Burton 2021 Yeasayer, Yes Hello or Rossi Frenemy (my worry with this one is it’s not rated as well for carving).
I’d be open to any other suggestions as well!
Nate says
Hi Tatianna
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing, I’d probably be looking at the YES Hello. The Frenemy would also work, but if you’re looking for a bit more speed/carving, then I’d say Hello. The Yeasayer not any better for speed/carving than the Frenemy, I would say and also not as good for powder.
Size-wise for the Hello, I would say both the 146 or 149 would be fine for size 9s. If you’d like a sizing opinion, I would be happy to give mine. Would just need your height and weight.
Hope this helps
Kali says
Hi! I love your site and you seem to be a amazing resource in helping find a good board fit. Maybe you can help me?
I’m a 38 year old female snowboarder. I’m 5’5″, 135lbs with size 9 snowboard boots. We ride weekly in Utah and I would consider myself an intermediate rider who is cautious about high speeds and prefer take a nice leisurely blue run over a black.
I picked up boarding again after about a 17 year break when we introduced it to my son in 2017. I upgraded my 1997 Ride Timeless to a 2017-18 Gnu B-Nice. I have actually really liked the Gnu but would like to change it up and try something new, which led me here.
After doing some looking, I am looking at both the Never Summer Infinity and the Jones Twin Sister. Do you feel like either of these would be a good fit for my level and style? If so, what size? I am slightly concerned with the Infinity being too narrow? And if neither of these seem right for me, do you have any other recs? Thanks in advance!
Nate says
Hi Kali
Thanks for your message.
I would say Infinity would be a really good match to what your describing, but the biggest question mark – as you’ve mentioned – is the width. It’s probably too narrow. If you’re not really leaning into deep carves, you might get away with it, but it’s borderline.
Length-wise, I would be looking at around that 145-148 range (but also a good idea to take into account what you’re used to riding), so for the Infinity I would say the 147, but the biggest hesitation is width.
The Twin Sister could definitely work too though – assuming it’s the 2021 model. The 2020 and previous models were less forgiving, but the 2021 is a more easy going board, which is more suited to what you’re describing than the older models. If you did go Twin Sister, the 146 would be the way to go, IMO (again taking into account what you’ve ridden in the past) and the width on the 146 would be just fine for your boots, IMO.
The Jones Dream Catcher (148) would also work as would the Rossignol Frenemy 147 or Salomon Wonder 148.
Hope this helps
Kali says
You’re amazing! Thank you for your insight and for the quick reply too!
My B-Nice is a 148. I’m a women’s 8 in most shoes but my current boots are 9’s so not sure if they all will be in the future or if the DCs I have run small. I’m considering getting new boots and bindings too.
Anyway, If I did a 149 in the NS Infinity, it would be a waist width of 236, which is a little better then the width on the 147. I’m definitely not doing deep leaning curves but not sure if it’s worth the risk of buying and possibly dragging?
I’d probably do the 149 in the Twin Sister but could do a 148 in the Dream Catcher you mentioned. Both those seem to be plenty wide.
Nate says
Hi Kali
Certainly with 8s, the Infinity 149 would be fine – and even the 147 would be doable. I find that DCs do tend to run small, so if you end up in a different brand I would imagine you’ll get into an 8.5 or even 8.
Wing says
Hi Nate,
I’m planning to buy my first all-mountain board. I think I am a big rider that height 5’7, weight 80kg/176Ibs, 7.5boots. I just learned to change the side and looking for more progress to the intermediate level. Recently, I am thinking about Capita-the bird of feather, paradise, burton feeling good. Do you have other recommendations? I’m not sure the above 3 are suitable for me.
Looking forward to your reply,
Wing
Nate says
Hi Wing
Thanks for your message.
The Birds of a Feather probably too aggressive for you, given that you are just starting to link your turns. The Paradise and Feelgood Flying V are certainly options though. But definitely not the Feelgood camber. It’s important to make that distinction because the Feelgood Camber is a much more aggressive board than the Feelgood Flying V.
Size-wise, I would be looking in the range 150-152 for your specs and your level of riding. So for the Paradise only the 149 would be appropriate, IMO – and bordering on being too small. For the Feelgood Flying V, the 152 would be the best choice, IMO.
The other boards in this list all appropriate too. If you want something that’s more versatile, then go all-mountain or all-mountain-freestyle, then look out for the labels under each board on the list. And try to go in that 150-152 size range. If you think you want to get into freestyle riding more in the future, you could certainly go with one of the freestyle options.
Hope this helps
Anna says
Hey Nate!
Looks like you give great recs on gear and I would love to get your opinion for my next board. I am 5’9 160lbs and I’m an intermediate boarder, but more advanced than beginner on the spectrum. I am looking for a single quiver hybrid profile all mountain board. I board in Tahoe/West Coast and hit mostly groomers, tight trees/gullys, and love to take advantage of powder days. I am looking for a board that can bomb down a mountain while keeping control at speed but is still easy to carve/maneuver and can turn on a dime. I am also looking for a board that I can use as I continue to advance and progress. Riding switch isn’t super important and I am not necessarily interested in a freestyle/park board.
My last board was a GNU B-nice (should have done more research but someone talked me into it) and it was completely wrong for me. It was way too slow and I felt like I was catching every edge. My sister has the old Aura from Never Summer, which I tried and loved but its been discontinued. I have also tried a pure camber board (Burton Feelgood) and was not a fan.
Some that I have been considering are:
– Never Summer : Proto Synthesis and Lady West
– Jones : Dream Catcher and the new Airheart (I’ve heard good things about the Twin Sister too!)
– Yes : Hel Yes
– Nitro: Drop
I am also open to other brands outside of this list.
Thank you in advance for any insight you can give me!
Best,
A
Nate says
Hi Anna
Thanks for your message.
I think the Lady West would fit really well for the Style of riding that you’re describing, and for your level. The Proto Synthesis less suitable as it’s more freestyle oriented. It’s what I call all-mountain-freestyle – certainly not strictly a freestyle/park board and would be more suitable than the B-Nice, IMO, but I think the Lady West is a very good match for what you’re describing.
The Dream Catcher and Hel Yes are also very good matches for what you’re describing and I think they would go well for you too. I think the Nitro Drop would also work, but I don’t have any real experience with the equivalent board. I’ve only ridden a few Nitro boards.
The Lady West is a little stiffer than the Dream Catcher and Hel Yes, but not by a lot – and it’s really quite maneuverable for it’s flex. It’s a tough call between them. The Lady West does have going for it that you’ve tried the Aura and liked it. Certainly not the same board as the Aura, but some similarities, obviously being made by the same brand as the Aura, but also because it’s Hybrid Rocker, as opposed to the Hybrid Camber on the other two.
Size-wise, I would be looking at around that 151-153 range, unless you have any preferences for sizing, then you should take that into account, but that’s the range I would look at taking into account your specs, ability and how you describe your riding.
Hope this helps with your decision
Anna says
Thanks for the reply, Nate! Totally makes sense about the PS, I think I’ve ruled that one out. Another one that keeps popping up and has gotten some buzz this year is the Bataleon Storm. Very different profile from the Lady Summer since its a camber board but people seem to really like the 3BT technology to offset some of the downsides of a pure camber as it loosens the “catchy-ness”. Do you have any thoughts on that one?
Right now I think I am between the Lady West and the Storm based on additional research/reviews. Heard great things about both!
Agree on sizing! But wasn’t sure if they should be ridden longer/shorter.
Thanks again and your advice is always much appreciated.
-Anna
Nate says
Hi Anna
Bataleon is one brand of boards that has eluded me. Going to try to get my hands on some this winter, though it may be tricky with Covid. But yeah, unfortunately right now I can’t give you any hands on experience with 3BT. I have heard good things in general about Bataleon boards and 3BT. From what I hear is that it takes a little while to get used to the feel, but when you get used to it, a lot seem to like it. But I can’t say from experience.
Holly says
Nate_just went down your rabbit hole for a few hours-so much helpful info! Thank you!
I’m a little late to the game.. seems most of the recommendations are sold out. I’m 5’5 and 120lbs.. size 7 shoe.. a 6+ rider but only get out 7-10 days a year since I live in Florida.. looking for something easy going but helpful in icy conditions-since I end up in Utah during Spring Break and the end of season. Any info you can provide would be super helpful! Thanks again!
Nate says
Hi Holly
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, based on your specs and how you describe your riding, I think something in the range 141-144 would be a good bet.
For the board, I would look into the following:
– YES Emoticon 143
– Never Summer Infinity 142
– GNU Ladies Choice 142.5
– Salomon Wonder 140 (a little on the shorter side, but doable)
– Never Summer Women’s Proto Synthesis 142 – a little less easy going, would be the thing to consider here
– GNU Chromatic 143 – maybe even too easy going?
– GNU Gloss 144
– GNU Velvet 143
– Jones Dream Catcher 142 – a little less easy going
– Lib Tech No.43 143
I would look into those in more detail. I think ideally the Emoticon 143 or Infinity 142, given what you’re describing, if you can find them, but the others are also options worth looking into.
Note that I’ve taken width into account when selecting these options.
Hope this helps
Allison says
Hey Nate,
Thanks so much for putting together such awesome resources for us newbies trying to get our snowboarding gear figured out! I wondered if I could get your advice for my specs and experience too. I am 5’2″, 110 lbs, and a size 6-6.5 boot. I’m probably a high level beginner-low level intermediate, comfortable linking turns and heading downs greens and blues. Now I’m looking to finally buy my own gear to build confidence and speed. Im mostly just on groomers, so just looking for a general all mountain board that will continue working for me as I get better.
Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Allison
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, you’re definitely in the right place with this list, IMO.
Size-wise, for your specs/level, I would be looking at something around 138-140 and ideally no wider than around 234mm in terms of waist width.
I think the following would be good options in that size range:
– Arbor Poparrazi Rocker 138
– GNU Ladies Choice 139.5 – a little more advanced but still certainly intermediate friendly
– GNU Velvet 139
But the following would also be doable if you were happy going a little longer:
– Capita Paradise 141
– Never Summer Infinity 142
Hope this helps
Allison says
Thanks so much for your recommendations Nate!
I saw that the Burton Yeasayer comes in the smaller sizes too. Do you think that would stack up to these suggestions?
Nate says
Hi Allison
Burton Yeasayer doable in the 140, but it is on the wide side for your boot size. So not as good in terms of sizing, but in terms of the type of board I think it would work.
Tash says
Hi Nate,
This is a great review and you seem to be super knowledgeable. I am interested in buying the Yes Hello board. I have only ridden a snowboard about once a year in the last 5 years, but before that I would say that I was Intermediate between Level 5 and 6. I would really like to get back into the sport, and I think I will likely progress/regain my comfort/confidence quickly. I am 5 ‘4” and weigh 210lbs. Given that it might take me a season or two to become a true intermediate, I am wondering whether I should choose 152 cm or 155cm. I am looking for an all mountain board to ride on groomers and perhaps a little off piste. I am not super into bombing down the hill – I like to play around on the sides of the runs. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you!
Nate says
Hi Tash
Thanks for your message.
Both sizes are within your range, IMO. I think 155 would be spot on for you, at an advanced level. At an intermediate – starting out at a low end intermediate perhaps and working your way from there, the 152 would offer a quicker progression most likely. So, I think the 152 would certainly work for you right now and help you to progress a little quicker. The only question is whether you feel like you’d want to go up to the 155 at some point in the future.
Also, if you could let me know your boot size as well. Depending on boot size, it might make the 152 more the goer, even further down the road.
Hope this helps
Tash says
Thanks very much, Nate! I notice that according to Yes, I am above the weight range for the 152cm board. Is this not a hard limit or, at least, not a concern? My boot size is a 9US womens.
Thank you,
Tash
Nate says
Hi Tash
I don’t see the weight recommendations as hard and fast. I like to take them into account, but also like to take other factors into account as well, like riding style (i.e. would err longer if riding a lot of powder or bombing really fast down the hill and err shorter if riding trees, riding park, riding slower/more casual in general), ability, height and boot size.
The 152 should be all good for your boot size, if you wanted to go to that size. But will also be fine for the 155 – i.e. the 155 isn’t too wide for your boots. So, I think it really depends on whether you want to go 155 now and stick with it long term. Or go 152 now and potentially upgrade to a longer board once you get to a more advanced level. It’s not certain that you would even want to necessarily go longer in the future, but there’s potential for it.
Isabel L says
Hi Nate,
I am about to purchase a new board and I landed on your website which is great. If you have a few minutes, I’d love to get your recommendation. I am Canadian but I have been in Virginia now for 20 years. I have been snowboarding for about 25 years but I don’t do it often…anywhere between 1-3 times per year only. I would consider myself probably better than intermediate level but nowhere close to expert. I have been a professional athlete for many years so even if I don’t do it often, I am naturally pretty good with sports in general.
I gave up my snowboard last year to force myself to buy a new one this year. It was a Burton Troop 2004. I had to change the bindings and boots a few times but I kept the board. From the pictures, it looks a bit tall for me but I had no issues. I am 5′-6 and 120 lbs and the board was up to my mouth when wearing my boots.
I snowboard with my boys and they still need help on the slopes. Although I enjoy doing one ride for myself here and there, most times, I ride at a much slower pace and need to be able to maneuver well at low speed too. We have ice conditions and fake snow in Virginia. Everyone and then, I get to go to Colorado for a few days of skiing.
One thing that is very important to me is going to a step on type binding. I am leaning toward the stiffer more expensive burton model because I like my binding tight. When they loosen up a bit, it drives me crazy.
I hope you have a few minutes to provide your inputs. It would be greatly appreciated.
Isabel
Nate says
Hi Isabel
Thanks for your message.
For what you’re describing, I would be looking at the YES Emoticon, Rossi Frenemy, Never Summer Infinity or YES Hello. They all fit what you’re describing well, IMO.
Size-wise, I would say 143-145 would be a good length range to look at. If your old board was a little longer and you wanted to keep a similar size, personal preference certainly comes into it too. But based on your specs and how you describe your riding, I think that’s a good range to look at. If you could also let me know your boot size though – as that can impact the board you go with and sizing.
Burton Step Ons are compatible with all snowboards. Their stepons come in their Re:Flex version that you can mount to any snowboard, so no issues there.
Hope this helps
Maria Lourdes Soleski says
Hi Nate! I am torn between NS Infinity 42cm and Capita Paradise 41cm. Which one am I going to buy? I don’t do parks. I mostly ride groomers and sometimes powder. I am 5’1, 116 lbs. I am currently riding a Burton Socialite 2016, 142cm. My boot size is 6.5 US Burton Felix and I just bought Burton Escapades Bindings. I appreciate your recommendations. Thank you so much.
Nate says
Hi Maria
Please see my reply to your other comment below.
Maria Lourdes says
Hi! I need your help. I am a beginner/ intermediate snowboarder. I am riding Burton Socialite (2016) 142 cm right now. I want to buy a new snowboard. I ride mostly groomers and sometimes powder. I am 5’1, 116 lbs and my boot size is 6.5 inches. Please help me with bindings too. I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks.
Nate says
Hi Maria
Thanks for your message.
Since you ride powder sometimes, I would go with something like the Frenemy, Infinity, Feelgood Flying V or Hello.
In terms of sizing, I wouldn’t go any longer than 142 for your specs. Something 140-142 would be a good range to look at, IMO. Just to clarify, when you say boot size 6.5 inches, do you mean your boot measures that length? Or is it a size 6.5? Or is a foot size of 6.5″. I like to take width into account for sizing snowboards too, so if you can clarify that, I would be happy to recommend what I think are the best sizes for those particular boards.
Hope this helps
MariaLourdes Soleski says
I found Capita Paradise 141cm and Never Summer Infinity 142cm. The smallest size on Frenemy is 144cm. Which one I am going to buy? My boot is Burton Limelight BOA 6.5 US.
What do you think of The Burton Escapades bindings?
I need your help.
Thank you.
Nate says
Hi Maria
Neither would be a bad choice, so I don’t think you can make a wrong decision between those Paradise and Infinity. The Infinity, IMO, is just 1/2 a step up in terms of powder and since you don’t ride park I would be leaning slightly Inifinty, but like I say, there isn’t a wrong choice between those 2 for you, IMO.
With the 6.5 boot, I think you’re going to appreciate the narrower width of either the Infinity or the Paradise compared to the Socialite.
Burton Escapades would be a great match to either of those boards, IMO.
Maria lourdes Soleski says
You’re the coolest❤️ I just bought the NV Infinity 42cm. Thank you so much.
Happy Holidays!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Maria – happy holidays and happy riding!
Blaire says
Hi Nate,
This list was super helpful! I’m somewhat new to the snowboard research process, and it gave me some good insight into what to keep in mind. I’m looking to get a new board this season and I’d love your advice on narrowing down some of my options. Because boards are an investment, I’d like it to provide me with versatility, and hopefully match my learning level now and when I get better in the future.
I’ve been snowboarding off and on for about 5 years now. I’d say I’m an intermediate rider, but this season I have the opportunity to hit the mountains more, so I’m hoping to reach a more advanced level. I’m looking for a board that would qualify as all-mountain (and maybe freestyle). I’m in the Tahoe area, so some powder abilities would be nice, but realistically I won’t be in powder that often.
I’m not sure exactly what my riding preferences are. I love bombing groomers, and getting technical in the trees. And last season I tried out the terrain park (which was super fun!), so I want to get a board that will allow me some flexibility for that. This season, I’d also like to get better at riding switch.
My current board I believe is an all-mountain. It’s a Merc Flow 2.5 (I think -I’m moving so I can’t look at it), which worked great as a beginners board, but it’s super stiff. This time I’m looking for a board that will allow me some flexibility, and works well in most terrains.
Originally, I was looking at the Salomon Rumble Fish, but I saw some reviews mentioning that it does best going fast, and has a harder time with slower more technical turns. I would like to feel more comfortable turning and switching at high speeds, but it’s also important to me to have the ability to do more precise turns at low speeds.
The other board I was considering is the CAPiTA Paradise as that one seems to be the most versatile and may best suit my needs for now and in the future, however I’m not sure if there’s another component I should be looking out for instead of just versatility.
There other thing is too, is that a lot of the boards you list above feel like they would work for me, and I’m hoping you might have a better idea of what I would better suit my skill level or interest. Doing all this research is a little overwhelming, and I’d like this to be a one time purchase, so any advice you have on these boards would be greatly appreciated, or if there’s any others you might suggest instead I’m all ears!
Thanks! Blaire
Nate says
Hi Blaire
Thanks for your message.
Quite surprising that you found the Merc to be quite stiff. It’s not a board I’ve ridden but it’s supposed to be quite a soft flexing, easy going board. Typically beginner boards are soft flexing – and the specs seem to suggest as much for the Merc. A board that’s too long for you feels stiffer, so perhaps the Merc you have is too big. Also if it’s too wide for your feet, then it can feel a lot harder to maneuver. Getting the size right is just as important as getting the right board, IMO. I would be happy to give a sizing opinion and also whether or not your Merc was too big or not. I would just need your height, weight and boot size (already have your ability and riding style, which also comes into sizing). And the size of your Merc.
I think the Paradise would be a really good match for what you’re describing, as well as the NS Infinity, YES Hello, Rossi Frenemy, Burton Feelgood Flying V and potentially the YES Emoticon. I think if your Merc is actually a good size for you and you still found it stiff, then I would be leaning on the softer side, so I would be leaning more towards something like the Infinity or Emoticon. But yeah all of those boards are really versatile and would suit what you’re describing well, IMO. Sizing and the size of your Merc would help to narrow it down further
Carly says
Hi Nate,
Thanks so much for this list! I was hoping for your advice on a board, if possible.
I’m a skier looking to switch more into boarding. I haven’t boarded in almost 10 years, but when I did I was at a low level intermediate. Looking for a board for progression and that I won’t have to upgrade in a couple years. I stick mostly to groomers, but love powder when we are lucky enough to get it (I’m mainly in Ontario and occasionally BC). I don’t have any interest in the park.
I’m 5’8”, 125lbs and size 8 feet. Currently looking at the Capita Paradise (thinking 149?) and Salomon Wonder in a 152 (I can get it for a great price). I’m very open to other options though if another board is a better fit. Wondering what you might recommend and the length?
Thank you so much for any advice you may be able to provide.
Cheers,
Carly
Nate says
Hi Carly
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of length, I would go with something in the range of 145-147 for your specs/ability/how you want to ride.
So, for the Paradise, I would actually be debating between the 145 and 147 for you. The 149 wouldn’t be massive for you, if you’re used to longer boards and wanted to go a little longer, but I would be leaning 147 for you.
IMO the 152 Wonder would be too big for you. If you went Wonder (it sounds like you’re great price is only for that size though right?) I would try to find a 148.
Because you’re riding mostly in Ontario I would be leaning towards Wonder over Paradise, just because it has better edge hold in hard/icy conditions, IMO.
For what you’re describing, I would also look at the YES Hello (146 – or 149 if you really feel like going longer), Salomon Rumble Fish (148) and Rossignol Frenemy (147).
Hope this helps
Carly says
Hi Nate,
This is awesome and so helpful! Thank you so much for your time and advice- I really appreciate it.
I’ve narrowed it down between the 2020 Salomon Rumble Fish and the 2020 Salomon Wonder (both 148). Any recommendation between the two of the price is similar?
Thank you again!!
Carly
Nate says
Hi Carly
Both would definitely work, but I would be leaning Wonder, just because it sounds like you don’t really do freestyle/park and the Rumble Fish 2020 is a little more freestyle oriented.
Carly says
Perfect! I’m going to go with the Wonder. Thank you again for your time and all of your help- I so appreciate it!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Carly. Hope the Wonder treats you well and you have a great season!
Celeste says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the awesome write-up. It’s not easy to find reviews as detailed as yours on women’s gear! I saw your helpful advice for Emma, so I was wondering if you could help me. I’d say I’m a level 4 rider, maybe a low 5 – riding S turns on blues, skidding some, but having trouble (definitely in part mental) picking up speed and navigating steeper blues. No blacks yet.
I currently ride a Burton Deja Vu (hybrid rocker) 141, and I’m over weight for the board according to their chart. Could that be making things more difficult for me? I’m considering getting a longer board, though I’m sure my technique and mental game could also use work. I almost exclusively do groomers, so I’m thinking an all-mountain board. While I’ve done the occasional small jump or 360 during classes, I’m not looking to hit the park anytime soon. I’ll be riding a lot on the west coast and the Rockies this winter, hopefully with some powder, but unfortunately, I also have Ice Coast riding in my future.
So, my questions:
1. Do you think 141 is too short? I’m 5’3” and 130lb.
2. If I do get a second board, what would be a good option to supplement my current board? From what I’ve read in Emma’s thread, these sound good:
Rossignol Frenemy
Never Summer Infinity
Jones Twin Sister
YES Hello
I was eyeing the Burton Feelgood Flying V, since my current EST bindings would work with it, but you mentioned the board wouldn’t work well for the east coast. Why is that?
What makes the Frenemy or Infinity less ideal for handling speed (which I hope to do someday)? What you mentioned about those offering an easier and faster progression definitely sounds like appealing.
Thanks in advance!
Celeste says
Hey Nate,
Me again! After more research on and off the site, I’ve ruled the following out:
– GNU Ladies Choice: saw it wasn’t recommended for powder
– Never Summer Infinity: not good in ice
– Capita Birds of a Feather: not good in ice
– Jones Dream Catcher: sounds like it’s more for advanced riders
– Burton Feelgood Flying V: not good for the east coast, like you said in another comment. Really wanted the Burton board to work so I could reuse my EST bindings, but it sounds like it won’t, right?
My remaining options are below, though I think my top 2 are Yes Hello and the Frenemy. What do you think?
– Yes Hel Yes: nothing but rave reviews for this board, but is this too aggressive? I don’t want to have a bad time progressing from intermediate to advanced.
– Yes Hello: Am I losing anything besides stiffness by going with this over Yes Hel Yes? I feel tempted to opt for Hel Yes for $50 more for a board that might last me longer, but again, I don’t want a bad time for the next two seasons.
– Rossignol Frenemy: my question from the original post still remains about what makes this less ideal for speed. That’s something I struggle with anyway, so maybe it’s a moot point.
– Jones Twin Sister: this seems stiffer than the last two at 7/10. I read it can be hard to maneuver, so it’s lower on my list. TheGoodRide also lists the other 3 as better on ice.
I’d also still appreciate your thoughts on whether my current 141cm is too short (5’3”, 130lb, 23.5cm boots) and whether a longer board could help with where I’m struggling.
Last question: If I buy the 2020 Frenemy or the 2019 Hel Yes instead of this year’s version, am I missing any new features?
Thanks again!
Nate says
Hi Celeste
Thanks for your message.
Let me know if I’ve missed anything below:
1. Starting with the Feelgood Flying V: My experience with the Flying V camber profile is that it doesn’t tend to have good edge-hold in icy conditions. Really fun in softer conditions, but not as good in harder conditions, in my experience.
2. Re sizing: I would go a little longer than 141 for you. I think 141 is a very good beginner size for you, but getting too short as you advance. Particularly for speed and float in powder. As a park board, something around that 140-142 would be a good size for you, but you will find you get more stability at speed out of a longer board, and since you’re not really riding the park, I think longer is a good way to go. I would say around 145, 146 for your specs, at an advanced level. So at an intermediate level, I would say something 143-145 is a good way to go, depending on the width of the board. You can go a little shorter if the boards a bit wide for your boots. So, I don’t think the Deja Vu is way off in terms of size, but going a little longer won’t hurt.
3. Frenemy/Infinity in terms of speed: A few components affect how well a board can handle speed – one of them is the length, as discussed above. Two of the other main factors are flex and camber profile (there are other factors too, but don’t want to get too complicated!) . Typically speaking a board with a stiffer flex is more stable at speed and a board with more camber is more stable at speed, all else being equal. Of course stability at speed isn’t everything, so all of that has to be balanced with other factors. You could go with something ultra stiff, full camber and super long, but you probably wouldn’t be able to turn it! Stiff also often means less maneuverable at slower speeds and just more work/more effort to ride, particularly at slower speeds, so it’s a matter of finding the balance that works for you. The Infinity is a little softer (4/10 flex), which effects it’s stability at speed and also has quite a bit of rocker. The Frenemy also has quite a bit of rocker in the profile – it’s got a bit of camber, but a good it of rocker too, and it has a mid-flex (5/10). Neither are terrible at speed, just not as stable as some others when really opening out. The Deja Vu Flying V was also rocker dominant and softer flexing (roughly 4/10 I think if I remember correctly) – and at a slightly shorter than ideal size, it’s not going to be speed demon, for sure.
4. Twin Sister: Flex is more like 6/10, so not quite as stiff as it looks. Also the 2021 model became more maneuverable, with a couple of changes. So, if you’re looking at the 2021 model, I think it’s definitely an option. If you’re looking at 2020 or prior models, then not quite as maneuverable. In terms of icy conditions, it’s a little down from the other 3, IMO, but not a huge amount, still very good in icy conditions – I wouldn’t worry too much about that.
5. Hel Yes: Hard to say if you would find it too aggressive or not. It’s not ultra aggressive, but just on the more aggressive side of middle, IMO. If you look under the Twin Sister description at the following link, you’ll see how I see them in terms of how aggressive they are.
>>My Top 6 Women’s All-Mountain Snowboards
6. Hello: The main thing is really you drop a little in terms of hard carves and speed.
7. As far as I know the Hel Yes 2021 and Hel Yes 2019 are the same board (apart from the graphics of course) or at least very simliar. The only real difference is that the 2021 model now comes with “slamback inserts” – which is just an extra set of holes that allows you to mount your binding further back on the board for better float when you get deep powder.
8. As far as I’m aware the Frenemy 2020 is the same as the 2021 model. So yeah makes sense to go 2020 model, assuming you can get it in the appropriate size.
Hope this helps with your decision