The following beginner snowboards have been chosen to represent what we think are the best boards for starting your snowboarding journey on for the 2024-2025 season.
Whey were these particular boards chosen?
They have been specifically chosen for their ease of riding, particularly for ease of riding at slow speeds, while minimizing the chances of catching edges.
This way you can hopefully start your snowboarding journey with more confidence and a solid foundation of good technique. Which you can later build on much more effectively than you would be able to had you developed a shaky foundation of crude technique, by riding a board too far above your ability level.
OK, that's enough preamble, let's have a look at the top 10 for 2025!
#10: Burton Hideaway
Flex: Soft (3/10)
Rating score (as a beginner snowboard): 89.5/100
Price: View More Info and Current Prices at the links in the tabs below.
Starting off this year's list at #10 is the Burton Hideaway.
The Hideaway is a more freeride oriented snowboard, so if you see powder in your future, this should feature on your short list.
It's not going to be the easiest to learn to ride switch on, so if that's something you want to be doing from an early stage in your snowboarding progress, then going with something that's a little less directionally shaped might be a better bet.
But the main thing for it to make this list is that it has the characteristics that will help you to progress you snowboarding with confidence. And the Hideaway has everything you'd want to get started - an easy turning, easy going ride that will help you learn good technique and build your confidence and has enough stability to get you one-footing off the chairlift effortlessly.
Score Breakdown for the Hideaway
| FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
|---|---|---|
| Flex Score | 5 | 20/20 |
| Stability | 4.5 | 18/20 |
| Turning Ease | 5 | 25/25 |
| Price | 4 | 8/10 |
| Versatility | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
| Shape & Stance | 3 | 3/5 |
| Base | 5 | 5/5 |
| TOTAL (after normalizing): | 89.5/100 |
#9: Burton Stylus
Flex: Soft (2/10)
Rating score: 91/100
Price: View More Info and Current Prices at the links in the tabs below.
Next up we have the Burton Stylus.
The Stylus is a super easy ride - one of those boards that will accelerate your progression – so if you’re looking to improve as quickly as possible and are happy with having to upgrade once you’ve upped your skill level and/or found your preferred style, then this is going to be a great choice.
Also great for anyone foreseeing a future riding freestyle/park. Or wants a fun, playful board for messing around with or beating up in the park in the future.
Score Breakdown for the Stylus
| FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
|---|---|---|
| Flex Score | 5 | 20/20 |
| Stability | 4.5 | 18/20 |
| Turning Ease | 5 | 25/25 |
| Price | 4.5 | 9/10 |
| Versatility | 3 | 9/15 |
| Shape & Stance | 5 | 5/5 |
| Base | 5 | 5/5 |
| TOTAL (after normalizing): | 91/100 |
#8: Nidecker Elle
Flex: Mid-Soft (4/10)
Rating score: 91.5/100
Price: View More Info and Current Prices at the links in the tabs below.
At #8 we have the Nidecker Elle.
The Elle's friendly camber profile, coupled with it's mid-soft flex, make it easy to ride and helps you build confidence. And being nice and versatile means you can progress down whichever style of snowboarding you develop into.
It's also the equal cheapest board on this list, so really budget friendly.
Score Breakdown for the Elle
| FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
|---|---|---|
| Flex Score | 4.5 | 18/20 |
| Stability | 4.5 | 18/20 |
| Turning Ease | 5 | 25/25 |
| Price | 5 | 10/10 |
| Versatility | 4 | 12/15 |
| Shape & Stance | 4.5 | 4.5/5 |
| Base | 4 | 4/5 |
| TOTAL (after normalizing): | 91.5/100 |
#7: Ride Heartbreaker
Flex: Soft (2/10)
Rating score: 92/100
Price: View More Info and Current Prices at the links in the tabs below.
The Ride Heartbreaker comes in at #7.
It has a nice soft flex and is an easy, catch-free ride, just what you want for a beginner snowboard.
It's maybe not the most versatile, being a more freestyle/park oriented board - but otherwise it's very beginner friendly - and if you think you're going to get into freestyle riding at some point, it's a great investment - something that you can learn your core skills on now - and then have as a park board for later.
Score Breakdown for the Heartbreaker
| FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
|---|---|---|
| Flex Score | 5 | 20/20 |
| Stability | 5 | 20/20 |
| Turning Ease | 5 | 25/25 |
| Price | 4 | 8/10 |
| Versatility | 3 | 9/15 |
| Shape & Stance | 5 | 5/5 |
| Base | 5 | 5/5 |
| TOTAL (after normalizing): | 92/100 |
#6: K2 First Lite
Flex: Soft (2/10)
Rating score: 92/100
Price: View More Info and Current Prices at the links in the tabs below.
Whilst not being that versatile when it comes to ability level (you’ll need to upgrade eventually), the K2 First Lite is very versatile when it comes to keeping your options open for the type of riding you will naturally flow towards. You can go anywhere and ride any style on this board.
But that’s not it’s real strength as a beginner board – it’s real strength lies in how easy it is to ride. It's catch free and confidence inspiring – so you can progress really fast on this board – and have a lot of fun in the process.
Score Breakdown for the First Lite
| FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
|---|---|---|
| Flex Score | 5 | 20/20 |
| Stability | 4.5 | 18/20 |
| Turning Ease | 5 | 25/25 |
| Price | 4 | 8/10 |
| Versatility | 4 | 12/15 |
| Shape & Stance | 4 | 4/5 |
| Base | 5 | 5/5 |
| TOTAL (after normalizing): | 92/100 |
#5: Roxy Dawn
Flex: Soft (3/10)
Rating score: 92/100
Price: View More Info and Current Prices at the links in the tabs below.
In at #5, we have Roxy's Dawn snowboard. It's another more freestyle focused deck. Great for those that simply want an easy riding board to progress quickly on or someone who sees freestyle in their future.
It's easy turning and confidence inducing - and is also the equal cheapest on this list (along with #8, #4 and #1).
Score Breakdown for the Dawn
| FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
|---|---|---|
| Flex Score | 5 | 20/20 |
| Stability | 4.5 | 18/20 |
| Turning Ease | 5 | 25/25 |
| Price | 5 | 10/10 |
| Versatility | 3 | 9/15 |
| Shape & Stance | 5 | 5/5 |
| Base | 5 | 5/5 |
| TOTAL (after normalizing): | 92/100 |
#4: Rossignol Ultraviolet
Flex: Soft (3/10)
Rating score: 92/100
Price: View More Info and Current Prices at the links in the tabs below.
The Ultraviolet is new for 2025, but essentially it carries on from where the Myth left off. It's a very similar board to that and just as suitable as a beginner board.
And they dropped the price on it, so it's now an even better option, being more affordable.
The Ultraviolet is the kind of board you can progress super-fast on and one that should help you to build confidence.
The only downside is that it’s not that versatile. It’s a freestyle board, so if you plan on riding in the park, then this will be a great option to keep as your park board.
But even if you don’t plan riding the park, this is one of those boards that will just get you riding better, fast – just be willing to upgrade at some point, particularly if you get into more all-mountain/freeride type riding.
Score Breakdown for the Ultraviolet
| FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
|---|---|---|
| Flex Score | 5 | 20/20 |
| Stability | 4.5 | 18/20 |
| Turning Ease | 5 | 25/25 |
| Price | 5 | 10/10 |
| Versatility | 3 | 9/15 |
| Shape & Stance | 5 | 5/5 |
| Base | 5 | 5/5 |
| TOTAL (after normalizing): | 92/100 |
#3: YES Women's Basic
Flex: Mid-Soft (3.5/10)
Rating score: 92.5/100
Price: View More Info and Current Prices at the links in the tabs below.
The YES Women's Basic takes care of the #3 position and is a great option for beginner snowboarders, particularly those who tend to see icy conditions fairly often.
With it's ease of turns, coupled with a stable feel (particularly good for when you're one-footing off the lift), the Basic is a great board to progress on - and something that you won't have to upgrade from too quickly, either.
Score Breakdown for the Women's Basic
| FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
|---|---|---|
| Flex Score | 5 | 20/20 |
| Stability | 5 | 20/20 |
| Turning Ease | 4.5 | 22.5/25 |
| Price | 4 | 8/10 |
| Versatility | 4 | 12/15 |
| Shape & Stance | 5 | 5/5 |
| Base | 5 | 5/5 |
| TOTAL (after normalizing): | 92.5/100 |
#2: Rossignol Soulside
Flex: Soft (3/10)
Rating score: 93/100
Price: View More Info and Current Prices at the links in the tabs below.
The Rossignol Soulside comes in at #2, the penultimate board on this list.
It has all the ingredients you want in a beginner board - easy turning, soft, forgiving, catch-minimal and versatile.
Score Breakdown for the Soulside
| FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
|---|---|---|
| Flex Score | 5 | 20/20 |
| Stability | 4.5 | 18/20 |
| Turning Ease | 5 | 25/25 |
| Price | 4.5 | 9/10 |
| Versatility | 4 | 12/15 |
| Shape & Stance | 4 | 4/5 |
| Base | 5 | 5/5 |
| TOTAL (after normalizing): | 93/100 |
#1: Nitro Lectra
Flex: Soft (3/10)
Rating score: 94/100
Price: View More Info and Current Prices at the links in the tabs below.
And finally we have Nitro's Lectra snowboard - our #1 board for 2024-2025 and the reigning champ from the last couple of years too.
This board has everything you want for your first board. It's easy to turn, easy to ride, maneuverable at slow speeds, forgiving and makes it really unlikely to catch an edge. That, plus it's really versatile, so it can take you into whatever style you naturally progress towards.
It's also the equal cheapest on this list, so you won't have to make as much of an investment getting your first board, compared to most other boards.
Score Breakdown for the Lectra
| FACTOR | Rating (/5) | Weighted |
|---|---|---|
| Flex Score | 5 | 20/20 |
| Stability | 4.5 | 18/20 |
| Turning Ease | 5 | 25/25 |
| Price | 5 | 10/10 |
| Versatility | 4 | 12/15 |
| Shape & Stance | 4 | 4/5 |
| Base | 5 | 5/5 |
| TOTAL (after normalizing): | 94/100 |
Over To You
So there you have our top 10 women's beginner snowboards for the 2024-2025 season. Hopefully this has helped you in choosing your beginner snowboard.
Check out the links in the where to buy boxes (the ones with the flags) for prices, availability and more info on the boards.
Hi Nate
My wife is 38, 135lbs and 5 ft 2 in. She has been boarding since she was young and has a board she bought used off ebay probably 20 years ago. She is very timid, only does greens and blues on the east coast small Pocono mountains. Only on piste. I’ve been trying to push for a new board in hopes it helps get her more comfortable about catching an edge, improves skills etc. She slowly skid turns down most of the mountain or does falling leaf but doesn’t carve, she also doesn’t have a need for speed. I was originally pushing for either the jones dreamweaver, yes basic but she’s not crazy about either graphic unfortunately. Is the lectra a good option? They have a cam out version I was thinking of getting instead flat. Im fine if she grows out of it bc skills improve in a year or two but dont want something that isn’t a fit off the bat. If you think the basic or dreamweaver are best fit then I’ll go back to pushing those! Thanks
Hi Mike, thanks for your message.
Given you’re not worried about having to upgrade within a year or two, then I think something like the Lectra is a good bet. Good for building confidence quickly and while it might take her a bit before she trusts it, once she starts to get that feel that she’s not going to easily catch an edge, that should help a lot, IMO.
Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain” length at around 147, but going smaller should help with her confidence too. Depending on her foot size, it might be best to size down anyway. I’d be leaning 142 in the Lectra, but the 146 would work too – if you could let me know her boot size, that would help too.
Hope this helps with your decision.
Hello Nate,
Do you have any recommendations for a beginner board that does well in icy conditions and won’t be outgrown in a season? I weight about 100-105, my boot size is 7.5W, and my height is 5 ft 2. My friend tells me that the Jones Dreamweaver is beginner friendly, but I haven’t been able to find it in stock. However, the smallest size the Yes Basic comes in is 143, would that be too big?
Thank you!
Hi Lily, thanks for your message.
I would put your “typical all-mountain” length at around 139/140, so ideally I wouldn’t go as long as 143 – otherwise, yeah the Basic was the first one that came to mind for me. The Dream Weaver isn’t quite what I’d call beginner friendly, but certainly an option for a higher-end beginner and something that definitely wouldn’t be grown out of too quickly. If you’re a higher end beginner it could work for sure, and the 139 would be good size-wise, IMO, but it sounds like you can’t find one of those.
Another good high-end beginner option that’s good in icy conditions is the GNU Velvet – and comes in a 139. It’s quite narrow, but you should get away with it width-wise with 7.5Ws.
The Nidecker Elle 139 is your best bet from this list, IMO. Outside of the Basic, I’d say it’s the best in icy conditions and in terms of lasting you longer through your progression. Every year I hope they make the Basic (and Hello) in one more size down, but hasn’t happened yet, unfortunately!
Hope this helps
Hi, thanks for the recommendations. I like the GNU Velvet, and I also came across the GNU Gloss which seems to be a tad wider. Are you a fan of the C2 profile(camber-rocker-camber)?
Hi Lily
Yeah, I like C2 and mostly good for beginners. Both Gloss and Velvet have nice easy torsional flex too, which helps to make turn initiation easier. The one downside for beginners is that having that rocker in the middle can make the board feel a little squirrelly when one footing off the chairlift. The more rocker dominant it is (the camber and rocker sections can vary for different camber-rocker-camber boards), the more that looser feel will be there, coming off the chairlift. The Velvet has C2 camber, which is a pretty even mix of rocker and camber. The Gloss has C2e, which is a little more rocker dominant. Not as much as Banana (which is basically all rocker) but a little more than the C2.
Hi Nate! You directed me to the 146 Nitro Lectra in 2022. I bought the past season’s model (2021) because it was a better deal, and you let me know that the 2021 and 2022 models were essentially the same except for the color-way change. I’ve absolutely LOVED the board! My snowboarding has really improved!! This has been the most fun season yet! We have season passes at our local mountain. This year, we got the Indy Pass and have been exploring other mountains, too. I go every chance I get. I am going to Colorado in March. I’m thinking about getting a new board. I love the Lectra! I’m thinking I’ll just get another one. I’m doing little Ollies now and working on Switch. I see that you’ve rated the Nirto Lectra #1 again. I was wondering if Nitro has made additional improvements to the model since 2021.
THANK YOU! I really appreciate your reviews and advice so much! -Kelly
Hi Kelly, good to hear from you again and glad to hear the Lectra has fit well with you. No changes from the 2021 to 2025 models, as far as I can tell. Boards will typically get some kind of upgrade every few years, but lower cost boards can go longer without changing.
Hi Nate!
I’m looking for my first board, from what I see the Nitro Lectra is perfect for me. I’m 5’5″, weight 148lb and I wear burton mint 6.5 us boots. Looking at the nitro measurement tables, a 149 table would correspond to me. The problem is that in my country I only get the 146 model, I could get the nitro mercy in 149 , but it is already 100 USD more expensive and I don’t want to spend that much on my first board. Do you think it would be very wrong to buy the 146 model? From what I see, the main limitation is that it is recommended for boots no larger than 5, and with my 6.5 boot, I’m afraid that the boots are too big for the board with all the problems that can cause. Any advice is more than appreciated. Thank you for such a great page and for taking the time to respond to each of us. Regards !
Hi Vanina, thanks for your message.
Apologies for the slow response. Was already behind with a lot of gear to test, then had some family dramas. Hope my response isn’t too late.
Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 151. Though, if you’re more of a beginner rider, I would err shorter than that by 3-5cm. So, I think the 146 is in range. It’s on the smaller end of your range, but doable.
I certainly wouldn’t worry about its width, with 6.5s. 6.5s have a mondo point of 23.5. The Mint’s that we’ve tested have been US8s and were 3.1cm longer than mondo. Meaning the outer-sole of your 6.5 Mint’s should be around 26.6cm. The width at inserts on the 146 Lectra is likely to be around 24.2cm. Which would be a total boot overhang of around 2.4cm (or 1.2cm heel edge, 1.2cm toe edge, assuming perfect boot centering). You’d have no problem with that. In fact, that’s a little wider than optimal, so sizing down to the 146 probably makes sense, even if you’re more of a high-end beginner to intermediate rider.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
I stumbled upon your website as I was looking for a snowboard. I will just repeat what everyone said already, thank you so much for your amazing reviews and also for your very thorough comments and recommendations! It is so nice of you! Hence, here I am asking you an advice 😉 I would classify myself as intermediate snowboarder but I had quite some break in this sport – 5 years ( I got into kiteboarding , I sold my snowboarding gear and was spending all my holidays catching the wind, and in a meantime I got a baby, so this year since my daughter is of age to start some ski fun, we decided to spend active family holidays). As Wanda below, I would like some nice and easy going board but fast enough to catch up with my friends. During one of my snowboarding holidays (2 in total this year) I rented a board – Head Tribute 144cm and it was soooo good! I was just going downhill but it felt like I didn’t have to do anything, this board was just doing everything on its own, super responsive, forgiving, fast. It felt like my stupidest mistake was just ignored. I fall back in love in snowboarding! Also the snow conditions in French alps so far are not that good, very mushy, wet snow, total soup in the afternoon, with pretty hard snow here and there. On my 1st holidays I got Burton board (don’t remember the model) but it suxed compared to Head (even when snow conditions were way better, powder, fresh snow). Quite stiff, not as responsive, slower. I was going through the internet looking for some alternative of Head Tribute or something more suitable for me and this is how I found your website. If you had time to give some suggestions with possible recommendations, it would be great 🙂 (i am 161cm and 55kg)
Best wishes! Monika
Hi Monika
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of sizing, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 143. As an intermediate rider, you could size down a little from that, but given your experience with the Head Tribute 144, then up to 144 is worth looking at. So I would be looking in the range 141-144.
As an intermediate rider, you’ve got lots of options. Something from here could definitely work and all are soft flexing and easy going. Some other options that would work well for what you’re looking for, IMO, include:
– Jones Dream Weaver 142
– GNU Gloss 144
– Bataleon Thunderstorm 144
Or something from our Top 10 Women’s Intermediate list.
If you’re looking to go softer flexing than medium, then I would look at the Gloss from above, the Never Summer Infinity, GNU Velvet, Arbor Mantra Rocker or Lib Tech Glider. However, there’s one other consideration.
The Head Tribute, from what I could find, is a camber board. The names I just mentioned are all Hybrid Rocker (rocker between the feet, then camber) or Rocker. If you wanted to get a more similar feel to the Tribute, then I would look at the YES Women’s Basic 143, which is Hybrid Camber.
Or you could go Rossi Myth/Soulside or Ride Heartbreaker from this list.
Or if you wanted more mid-flex, then the likes of the Bataleon Thunderstorm, Capita Paradise and Rossignol Airis come into play.
Also, not boards we’ve tested, but you might also want to look into the:
– Bataleon Feelbetter, Spirit or Pushup (all in 143)- all softer than the Thunderstorm
– Nidecker Ora 143 – mid flex Hybrid camber
– Ride Compact 142
– Salomon Wonder 144
– K2 Dreamsicle 142
Sorry that’s a lot of options, but hopefully that can help you to narrow down something suitable. If you could also let me know your boot size (or shoe size, if you’re not sure of your boot size), to confirm those sizings would work. If you narrow it down to a few board and can’t decide and have any other questions, let me know.
Hi Nate, (i did post this message and didn’t receive a notification if it was posted so i post it again sorry if i repeteat it) i just found your reviews the best ones so far to know the snowboard characteristics!
Thank you for it.
I’m a 36-year-old woman (149.9 pounds (68kg)/ 5.55¨ (1.68mt)/ 26cm shoe size – I think its 8.5 US) who just moved to Switzerland and wants to integrate with winter sports. I would like to buy my equipment for snowboarding but I have a bit of confusion regarding the camber.
I understand the best camber profiles for stability, are Flat to Rocker and Hybrid but they are prone to catching an edge.
So I’m a bit lost here as to what would be the best option for someone who just wants to learn the basics in piste (nothing extreme) and wants to have fun.
I see that the top 1 for beginners is the NITRO LECTRA but is flat .. so does this mean it will probably catch an edge easier?
Also taking into consideration we are in mid-season there is not much left, so my options are:
– Nitro Lectra — 152cm (FLAT out Rocker / directional ->)
– Nitro Mystique — 149 or 152cm (Gullwing Rocker Hybrid of camber and rocker / )
– Nidecker Ora — 147 or 151cm (Double Rocker/Standard Camber / )
– DREAMSCAPE SNB 100 (Decathlon) — 147 or 152cm (FLAT ROCKER / )
– Burton Stylus 2024 — 147 or 152cm ( Flat Top™ with Easy Bevel / )
If you can help me with some pros and cons of those I will appreciate it very much . Also dont know wich size could fit me better
Thank you very much 😀
Hi Alex
Thanks for your message. I did reply to your previous post – see below – unfortunately I can’t get the notifications to work properly at the moment. If you can’t see the reply below, let me know, but it should be there.
Hi Nate, i just found your reviews the best ones so far to know the snowboard characteristics!
Thank you for it.
I’m a 36-year-old woman (149.9 pounds / 5.55¨ / 26cm shoe size – i think its 8.5 US) who just moved to Switzerland and wants to integrate with winter sports. I would like to buy my equipment for snowboarding but I have a bit of confusion regarding the camber.
I understand the best camber profiles for stability, are Flat to Rocker and Hybrid but they are prone to catching an edge.
So I’m a bit lost here as to what would be the best option for someone who just wants to learn the basics in piste (nothing extreme) and wants to have fun.
I see that the top 1 for beginners is the NITRO LECTRA but is flat .. so does this mean it will probably catch an edge easier?
Also taking into consideration we are in mid-season there is not much left, so my options are:
– Nitro Lectra — 152cm (FLAT / directional ->)
– Nitro Mystique — 149 or 152cm (Gullwing Rocker Hybrid of camber and rocker / )
– Nidecker Ora — 147 or 151cm (Double Rocker/Standard Camber / )
– DREAMSCAPE SNB 100 (Decathlon) — 147 or 152cm (FLAT ROCKER / )
– Burton Stylus 2024 — 147 or 152cm ( Flat Top™ with Easy Bevel / )
If you can help me with some pros and cons of those ones i will appreciate it very much
Thank you 😀
Hi Alex
Thanks for your message.
Flat-to-rocker boards typically aren’t too catcher. If it’s a fully flat board, then it can be catchy, but with the rocker in the tip/tail it reduces the chances of catching an edge. All the boards in this list have been chosen because they are suitable for beginners, and being un-catchy is one of the traits that is important, so everything in this list should feel un-catchy.
Note as well that for the stability rating, this is relative to beginner boards. They are stable at slower speeds and relatively stable vs other beginner boards – and stable in terms of getting off the lift. Compared to stiff boards with lots of camber, they wouldn’t be called stable – as in if you ride them fast, they wouldn’t feel stable at high speeds. But for beginner purposes those with higher stability ratings have a more stable feel, as opposed to a looser feel.
Flat-to-rocker and hybrid camber/hybrid rocker can come in a lot of varieties too – some flat-to-rocker won’t have much rocker and are likely to be more catchy than those with more rocker. Some hybrid camber will have a lot of camber and only subtle rocker – these will be more technically difficult to ride. But all the options here have been chosen because they should feel easy to ride and help to build confidence and offer quicker, more easy progression than more difficult boards. A lot of these boards are also made less catchy by either beveling the edges at the contact points or detuning the contact points (essentially making the edges a different angle and not as sharp at key areas of the snowboard’s edge to make it less likely to catch an edge). Torsional stiffness can also affect edge catching – this is essentially how stiff a board feels when thinking about heel to to toe directional stiffness, as opposed to nose to tail stiffness. So that’s something else that comes into play but isn’t often measured or published.
We don’t have any experience with the Mystique, but from what we know of other similar Nitro boards and based on the specs, I think this could work for sure. Will be a little bit more challenging than the Lectra, but should still work for you.
The Nidecker Ora should work also – but again, like the Mystique, will be that bit more challenging than the Nidecker Play.
We don’t really know anything about the Dreamscape. The only info I could find on the SNB 100 Decathlon had a 152, but it was wider – more of a men’s board and would be too wide for your feet, IMO. I didn’t see a 147, so there may be a women’s version, but again, I couldn’t find much information about this board.
The Stylus is a nice easy ride that would definitely work. It’s more freestyle focused, IMO, so if you think you were going to get into tricks at any point, this is a good entry board that you can learn to ride on first, then start to learn tricks on. Or upgrade from it later and keep it as your tricks board. If you didn’t think you’d ever get into freestyle stuff, then I think the Lectra/Mystique or Play/Ora would be your better bets.
Size-wise I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 151. However as a beginner, I would err a little shorter than that, to help with easier control of the board. Shorter boards tend to be less prone to catching too. So if you were to go Mystique or Ora I would go 149 Mystique and 147 Ora. The Stylus in 147 if you go with that one. The Lectra in 152 would be doable, because of how easy going it already is, but I would be leaning more towards one of the others in the shorter sizes, particularly with the 152 Lectra being on the wider side for your feet. It’s doable, but overall bigger than ideal, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thank you for all the info Nate !!
This will help me a lot and with your email tips hopefully, i can master at least going down a green slope until this season finish.
You’re very welcome Alex. Hope you have a great rest of your season!
Hi Nate, I would love to pick your brain.
I’m 44 yo and made my comeback to the mountain in 2018 after a 10 year hiatus. Got my technique down (low intermediate i’d say), but I’m a bit more careful and to be honest got a bit scared. My Capita Paradise (2018) isn’t the confidence booster I need. It keeps me on my toes constantly, so too sharp and feels too slippery in icy conditions. I’m looking more for a laid back board that I can cruise down the mountain without working too hard, but is also ready to catch up with my skier friends. Make nice smooth turns on groomers and play around a bit. So i’m looking into the beginners section a bit.
I rented a Rossignol Exp last year and I loved it! A beginner board but it could charge, floated really nicely and could bite into turns. Gave a real stable feeling.
Now I’m looking at the Yes Basic and the Rossignol Soulside/myth. Could you please shed your light on this and let me know what you would advice for a confidence booster board?
114 lbs
5,4″
Boots K2 Sapera
Union binding (not sure which model)
Thanks a lot!
Wanda
Hi Wanda
Thanks for your message.
I would say the Basic is bordering on intermediate but still good for beginners, IMO. And for what you’re describing, should suit you well. Really good in icy conditions, a stable feeling, but quite a mellow flex and the camber is mellow too, with rocker towards the tip and tail.
The Soulside would work though and given you liked the Rossi you rented, I think that would be a good bet too. Between the Soulside and Myth, I think the Soulside would suit your riding style better, and would give better powder float than both the Myth and Women’s Basic.
Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 143. So I’d say probably 141 for the Soulside, but the 145 would be doable, but I’d be leaning 141. For the Women’s Basic, I’d be looking at the 143. But if you could also let me know your boot size to confirm. Also, if you could let me know the size of your Paradise and, if you remember, the size of the Rossignol Exp you rented.
Hope this helps
Hello! I found this site so helpful! Reading reviews and even talking to the folks at the snowboard store has been confusing. I would love some help buying a board, bindings, and boots. I am 49 years old and have been riding for 26 years. I only go yearly and almost exclusively to Telluride. We usually go the first week of january or second week in march. We may venture into New Mexico some in the future. My husband and kids ski and snowboard and their main complaint is that i am slow. Which i am mostly fine 🙂 with-as i get older i find i really dont want to fall so i take it slow and controlled. I ride mostly groomed double greens and easy blues. I have good control and can carve and do s turns down the mountain. I am probably a level 4. I would love to go faster and will probably take some lessons next year to help with my confidence at higher speeds. I usually ride some form of rocker board. This year i am on a never summer infinity (142) and it’s been pretty good. Do you think this is the right board for me? I would like to progress (ride faster maybe do small jumps) and my husband was saying it might not have enough camber. It is an easy ride though and squashes my edge catching fears. I am 5’0 tall and 137 lbs. the only boots they had that fit my small size 6 foot were ride heras but i am willing to order all my gear. I didn’t even get a chance to look at bindings because they were mostly out of my size 🙁 Any insight you might have would be wonderful. Thank you so much!
Hi Cori
Thanks for your message.
For what you’re describing and for your level, I think the Infinity is a good option and the 142 is a good size too. However, if you did want to start riding faster, then you could go with something with a little more camber and/or slightly stiffer.
Some options, that should still be easy going enough that they won’t be hard to ride or catchy or anything, include:
– YES Hello (though the smallest size, 146, is probably a bit too big)
– Capita Paradise 143
– Rossignol Airis 143
– GNU Velvet 143
Or if you wanted to step things up a bit more, then you could look at something like:
– Never Summer Women’s Proto Synthesis 142
– GNU Ladies Choice 142.5
– Jones Twin Sister 143
I’ve added suggested sizes above. In terms of sizing, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 145. However, because of your boot size, I would size down from that. So something in that 141-143 range would be a good bet, IMO.
In terms of boots, your Hera should be a good match to all of those boards, so no need to change boots, IMO, unless you don’t find the Hera are causing you issues.
For bindings, it will partly depend on the board you go with. For most of those, something with a 5/10 flex would be a good bet. For the Twin Sister, Proto Synthesis and Ladies Choice, I would err more towards a 6/10 flex binding, but the 5/10 flex would still work. Something from this list or this list would be a good bet to look at, but let me know if you have any other questions re bindings and if you can let me know what bindings you currently have, I can give you my opinion on whether they may or may not be suitable.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate – Thanks for all the info, super helpful! I am getting back into it after 10 years off the slopes. I am not a complete beginner, can link turns but not very confident at higher speeds/steeper slopes and tend to catch an edge frequently. I am 5’5 and 125lbs, size 8 boots. What would you suggest I buy? I am very interested in step in bindings, would you recommend that system for my level? Thanks a lot!
Hi Maya
Thanks for your message.
In terms of step in, you could go that way with Burton’s Felix Step On Soft. They are the only Step-In type bindings I know that have a good flex for beginners/lower intermediate riders. Unless you were interested in Flow’s rear entry bindings, then there are plenty of options.
For the board, you could look at something here or something a little step up but nothing that’s going to be too hard to ride. We have this list which is good for high-end beginners/low intermediate riders.
If you could also let me know how you like to (or would like to) ride. E.g. powder? park? big carves? speed? trees? sidehits, etc.
If you can let me know those things and which type (beginner or intermediate) of board you’d prefer to look at, I will be happy to suggest what I think would be best and the best in terms of sizing.
Hope this helps
Thanks a lot, Nate.
I have no interest in the park and would really like to become confident riding at higher speed, better at carving, and getting into powder more.
I recently rented a Nitro (148cm) which was for advanced riders (full camber) and had a hard time with it, it was difficult to turn and I caught edges easily. I also tried a Burton Radius (145cm), which was a rocker (I think) and that was so much easier to handle for me.
Hi Maya
Thanks for the extra info. Because you want to ride faster and get better at carving, I think some camber in the profile is a good idea. But because you want to get into powder more and you want something that’s less catchy and easier to handle, then I think you’ll want to go for a hybrid camber or hybrid rocker. Given how you’re wanting to ride, I think something intermediate is a good bet. Something that can give you a bit more stability than a true beginner board, but is still not to hard to handle or anything. I would look at the following (suggested sizes beside them):
– GNU Velvet 143
– Rossignol Airis 143
– Never Summer Infinity 145
– Capita Paradise 145
– YES Hello 146
I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 146. As a more beginner rider, sizing down from that can help to make a board easier to handle, so looking in a 143-145 range makes sense, IMO. The YES Hello’s smallest size is 146. It’s doable in that size for you, so I still included it.
Thanks so much for these suggestions, will definitely check them out. I had been looking at the Jones Dream Weaver and the Bataleon Spirit. Any thoughts on these two options? Thanks!
Hi Maya
I think the Dream Weaver (145) would work well for what you’re looking for.
The Spirit you may find a little soft. We haven’t tested it but it’s rated 2/10 flex by Bataleon. Should be super easy to ride and super catch-free. But is unlikely to feel very stable at speed and is likely to wash out on a carve fairly easily.
Hi Nate! Hoping you can help me decide on a board for this season. My stats are 5’3″, 140/145lbs, size 7 boot, athletic. I would have considered myself high beginner/low intermediate when I first learned (East Coast), but that was 15ish years ago!
I have an older Burton Troop 145 that does me no favors – on a trip to Aspen a few years ago, my first time on a board in over a decade, I couldn’t get onto my toe side confidently to save my life. Looking back, I’m not sure I was ever really comfortable on it – I can stop, falling leaf, and come off the lift with no problem but now lack confidence linking my turns. Headed to Utah this winter and looking to spend more time at my local East Coast resorts, too, over the next couple years. Not afraid to have to upgrade at some point, I just want my confidence back and to have fun! Looking at Gnu B-Nice, Chromatic, Arbor Ethos, Rossignol Soulside, Yes Basic.
Would love any input you have! Thank you!
Hi Lauren
Thanks for your message.
I don’t know much about the Troop but what I could find out (looking at the 2010) model is that it was a full camber model. That can often make a board feel catchy when trying to link turns.
Any of those are good choices, IMO, particularly given you’re willing to upgrade at some point. I don’t think you can make a bad choice between them, but since you are going to be riding on the East Coast a bit, I would be erring B-Nice, Chromatic or Basic, which are the better options for hard/icy conditions, IMO.
Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 148 but given you are looking to build confidence, especially with linking turns and especially given you are willing to upgrade down the line, I would go with something in the 143-145 range. For the boards discussed, I would go:
– B-Nice: 145
– Chromatic: 143
– Ethos: 144
– Soulside: 145
– Basic: 143
Hope this helps with your decision
Thank you! I ended up finding a smoking deal on a Basic 146. Hoping the more modern technology makes my upcoming trip a bit more fun – it’s so much lighter and more flexible than the old board.
Your articles and the comment section are incredibly helpful – thank you so much for keeping this site going!
You’re very welcome Lauren. I think it should work well for you in the 146. Hope you have a great trip/season with it and if you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow.
Hi Nate,
I’m currently looking to grab a board for my wife. Not a complete beginner, she can link turns. She is 130-140lvs, 5’4” and wears a size 8.5-9 boot. I found a Roxy Raina for a great deal in size 147 or not quit as good deal in 143. Which size would you suggest? I’ve also been looking at the Nidecker ora, the gnu b nice, gnu gloss and nitro lectra. What sizes would you suggest and would you avoid any of these? I’m mostly concerned with her foot size matching up to the shorter boards.
Hi Justin
Thanks for your message. I think the Raina would be a good bet for your wife’s level. While I would put her “typical all-mountain length” at around 147, I would be leaning 143, as a beginner, even if not a complete beginner. That said, the 147 is doable, but just a steeper learning curve. Width-wise, the 143 is borderline for her boot size. In 8.5s, I’d be fairly comfortable. In 9s it’s pushing it. However, if she’s riding with at least like a -9 degree back binding angle and isn’t going to be doing any deep carves any time soon, then I think she’d be OK, even with 9s. But it is at the limit in terms of narrowness. And I’d be less confident if she’s really keen to learn to carve deep and/or if she rides with a zero degree angle on her back foot.
In terms of sizing the other options (which would all work too, IMO, with the Ora being the slightly more advanced option, being a little stiffer, but still appropriate, IMO, given she’s not a complete beginner):
Ora: 143 (again 147 doable, but I’d be leaning 143 and this is a little wider, so she should be OK width-wise on the 143)
B-Nice: 145, though this is the narrowest, so is the more risky option in terms of width.
Gloss: 144 – like the Raina it’s borderline, but probably doable depending (see above) width-wise)
Lectra: 146 – ditto in terms of width
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Thanks Nate!
Thank you for taking the time! Of these boards is there one that you’d pick above the others? Really we’re looking for something she won’t outgrow and is a good option for all mountain and will be more damp than snappy.
Thanks again!
Hi Justin
I’d say the B-Nice and Lectra would be the ones she’d outgrow the quickest. The B-Nice is also more freestyle than all-mountain, IMO. The Gloss is also a bit more freestyle oriented. So based on that, the Ora and Raina look like the best bets.
Thanks!
Thinking we’ll go with the Ora in a 143 with union Juliet bindings. I really appreciate your insight!
You’re very welcome Justin. Hope you have a great winter and hope your wife enjoys the new setup!
Hi Nate,
One more board to throw in the mix. What are your thoughts on the K2 Dreamsicle? How’s it compare to the Ora?
Found a killer deal!
Sorry to keep bugging!
All good Justin. The Dreamsicle could work. It’s still mostly a beginner board, but she shouldn’t outgrow it as quickly as some beginner boards. The biggest thing, I would say between that and the Ora is that the Ora has some camber in the profile (it’s hybrid camber – camber between the feet and rocker towards the tip and tail) whereas the the Dreamsicle doesn’t (it’s flat-to-rocker, so flat between the feet and rocker towards tip and tail). Camber is great for pop, spring out of turns, edge hold (especially in hard/icy conditions) and carving etc. So it would depend how good you think your wife would get. If she starts carving for example or popping side hits, that kind of thing, then she might appreciate having some camber in there.
I really appreciate your article on finding snowboards for beginners. Your writing is clear and concise.
I’m looking at your suggested list of best 10 boards for beginners (women’s) and you have the Nitro Lectra as the top contender. I’m a bit confused as the shape is not ‘bi-directional’ and the profile is not ‘Hybrid Camber’ nor is it ‘Flat to Rocker’. I see that it is 3/10 for ‘Soft’, which seems appropriate.
I was intending to get the Nitro Lectra for her but can only find a 142cm in stock at several websites. She is 5’3″/108lbs and has only been on the slopes 4 days so far (multiple times per day). She has successfully come down our slope mostly upright on a rented board (virtually flat profile and inflexible). I thought she should probably have a 138-139cm ‘Soft-flex’ board with the ‘Hybrid Camber’ but am finding them difficult to locate at this time.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! (BTW, I haven’t even tried snowboarding yet, so this is really the ‘blind leading the blind’ ;-))
Hi Dennis
Thanks for your message.
The Lectra does have a flat-to-rocker profile (flat through the middle with rocker just before the contact points towards the tip and tail) – Nitro call it “flat out rocker” but it’s the same thing. In terms of not being twin (bi-directional), that is a smaller consideration, which is why it doesn’t affect the score much. If you think she’ll want to really get into freestyle (tricks) and riding switch (opposite of her natural direction), then it’s probably better to go for a twin, but otherwise it’s not a deal breaker for a beginner board.
Size-wise, I would be more inclined to go with the 138. I would put her “typical all-mountain length” closer to 142, so it’s not a bad size for her or anything, but as a beginner it can help to size down (3-5cm as a rule of thumb). So, I would be leaning 138, if that was an option. The 142 would be doable but a little harder to manage to begin with. If you could also let me know her boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of boot size), which is also important to take into account when sizing. Some other options to consider, in case you have any of these available:
– Bataleon Spirit 138
– Bataleon Feelbetter 138 (note with Bataleon whilst it’s technically traditional camber, the way their bases work, they are very catch-free and easy to ride, so think of them more as hybrid camber)
– Rome Royal 138
– Ride Compact 138
– k2 Dreamsicle 138
– GNU Chromatic 140
– GNU B Nice 139
I’ve tried not to repeat any that are in the list above already, but apologies if there are doubles.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
Love your reviews! I’ve been looking to pick up my first board while things are on discount for next season. This past season was my first real year on a board, so I’m very much a beginner. 5 lessons, maybe 10 days on the mountain total. I am just starting to link my turns. Will be riding on the west coast (Canada, California). My stats! 125, 5’3, size 8 boot. I was eyeing the Ehtos but I think my boots are going to be too big for it. Also considering the Burton Stylus in 142″ but worry I will outgrow it too fast. What do you think of the Burton Hideaway in 144″?
Hi Kayce
Thanks for your message.
I think the Ethos 141 would work for you. I think the width will be fine for your boots. Arbor boards have a wider width at the inserts than you would expect for their waist width – and I think you’d probably get away with that width with 8s anyway. I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 145, but as a beginner I would size down a bit from that. So I think the Ethos in 141 would be a good bet, as would the Stylus in 142. The Hideaway in 144 might be bordering on a little too big for right now, especially given the extra effective edge it has over the other 2. It’s a size that would work well for you, if you were more advanced.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Thank you for the quick reply! Out of the two (ethos, stylus) which do you think will give me the most seasons before I need to upgrade? I get maybe 10-15 days in a season since I don’t live near a mountain. Also, are there other boards I should consider? I had someone suggest the LibTech Glider to me, but I see it’s in your intermediate lineup. Maybe too much board for me right now? Thank you again!
Hi Kayce
Not much in it between them, I would say, but I think the Ethos would give you a little more time before needing to upgrade and is a little more versatile.
Given you’ll be doing 10-15 days a season, I think the Glider could work. A little more challenging to begin with but you’d get used to it pretty quickly. The thing with the Glider that makes it a little trickier isn’t with turn initiations, which you should find really easy to initiate turns on, but more that it’s a looser feeling, which can make getting off the lift trickier.
Is the Nitro Lectra 138 okay for a size 6.5 boots? The waist width is 126mm and I’m worried its too narrow. I’m 5ft 115lbs. Thanks!
Hi Mooky
Thanks for your messages.
Firstly, with 6.5s, I don’t think the Lectra 138 would be too narrow.
The Lime Lite, IMO, is going to be better for progressing to carving, even though it is more of a park board. It would give you that introduction to camber and camber is, IMO, pretty much always better for carving than a profile without carving. So it would give you that intro to camber at the very least. It’s the kind of board that would progress with you for a little longer. It will be a little more of a challenge to begin with vs the Lectra, but it’s nothing crazy advanced or anything, IMO.
Length-wise, I would put your “typical all mountain length” at around 141. But as a beginner, it’s a good idea to err a little shorter. So for the Lectra, I think you’d be best with the 138 and with the Lime Lite also the 138.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate!
I’ve gone snowboarding about 5-6 times the past 3 years but I’m only just learning toe edges and turns now. I’m thinking of getting a used K2 Lime Lite 2022 or a Nitro Lectra 2022. I want a board that I can progress with and keep for a while. I’m not particularly interested in park which I know the K2 is a freestyle board but I do want to eventually do carving. Which one would be more suitable for me?
Hi Nate
Thanks for all the great information!
I am a beginner rider from Canada. This is my first season, still working on linking my turns. I currently use a hand me down Forum Amor 146cm board with Ride lx bindings, I find I don’t have enough leverage over my edge.
Looking to upgrade to a newer board.
I am 5’6 125lb wear us6 boots. I know Roxy Raina is not on your list, but do you think the 147 will be a good fit for me? Or should I down size for a narrower board?
Thanks
Su
Hi Su
Thanks for your message.
I don’t know the Forum Amor well, but it looks to be a relative narrow board, so I don’t think you’re going to help too much with leverage going 147 Roxy Raina (which is wider than the Forum Amor (I’m looking at specs on a 2010 model). The Raina will still likely be a little easier to turn, given that the Amor looks to be a full camber board. But I would try something shorter as well. Whilst I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 146, as a beginner I would size down. I would be looking more in the size range 141-144. The 143 Roxy Raina could work but I don’t think the 147 would give you enough of an easier ride to be worth it.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for your answer Nate!
It’s make sense and my board wasn’t really waxed (only the company wax) so it didn’t help.
To answer to your question : “Which bindings did you use on it, Escapade or Scribe? And which size did you end up going with for the Spirit?”
I went with the 138 and used the Scribe on it.
I already love this board (even if I had tricky moments with it). I can’t wait to try it waxed. I love how easy it is to jump with it, it’s make me feel more natural and I will improve my skills for sure.
So, I think that I will probably invest in other bindings for this specific board. It could maybe worth the money. I will go at the boardshop to try the bindings that you said.
Thanks again for your excellent advices.
You’re very welcome Alexandra. Hope it treats you well for the rest of the season.
That’s the size I would have gone for and the bindings I probably would have put on it, but yeah, a softer binding would be more ideal.
Do the Union Ultra bindings could be a good match too? I tried them at the boardshop. The ankle strap looks super soft but I am not sure for the highback flex.
I am hesitating between the Burton Citizen and the Ultra (if they are a better match than the Scribe).
Hi Alexandra
The Ultra is certainly a higher quality binding than the Citizen (IMO) but a little stiffer. I would say it’s a good match, but it’s close in flex to the Scribe, IMO, in terms of highback and baseplate flex. I think they would work but my biggest hesitation is that you’re not really going to be going softer overall with them.
Hey Nate!
Finally I prefer my Yes Emoticon to the Bataleon Spirit. I realized that I need a board that is enough good and safe for carving and moderate speed even if I want to do jump with it.
I would have liked that the Emoticon exist in smaller size than 143 and be poppy like the Bataleon 138 is for me.
Thanks
hi nate,
After reading the whole site i’m doubting about buying the nitro lectra.
I only have a few hours indoor experience and 10 days in the mountain.
I’m 152 Lbs, 163 cm and have a small foot (6us).
I have a nitro mystique 146 now but it does not feel great.
Overall, i want to chase off the mountain and when i’m ready to some little tricks like an ollie , 180’s…
You think it could be a match?
Hi Valentine
Thanks for your message.
The Lectra should feel like a board that’s easier to ride/progress on, so it could be a match.
Based on specs, they look to be the same exact shape, but the Mystique has a Hybrid Rocker profile vs the Flat-to-rocker on the Lectra. The Lectra is also softer flexing, which will be the main thing that should make the Lectra an easier ride. Size-wise, I think you’re good at 146. I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 150, but with your foot size, it’s a good idea to size down. Also a good idea to size down as a beginner. But I think 142 would be sizing down too far, IMO. 146 should be a good length for you, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
I am a beginner from Hong Kong and mainly ride in Japan. I am wondering is there any board is good for both icy and powder condition? Thanks a lot!
Hi Rai
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, there are definitely boards that are good in icy conditions and powder. Given where you’re commenting I’m assuming you’re also looking for something beginner friendly? In which case, I would look at (all opinions):
– YES Hello (not quite beginner, but if you’re a high-end beginner, bordering on low intermediate, then it’s a very good choice). Very good in icy conditions. Not a powder specialist, but above average in powder.
– Never Summer Infinity – again more of a high-end beginner/low intermediate and again not amazing in powder, but certainly above average. Not quite as good as hello in icy conditions but still good.
– Rossignol Soulside – a more pure beginner option. Above average in powder and whilst not as good as Hello in icy conditions, still decent.
– GNU Chromatic – another that’s very beginner friendly and good in powder and icy conditions.
If you have the choice of any of these, I would be leaning YES Hello if you are a higher end beginner and I would be leaning GNU Chromatic if you’re more of a beginner-beginner. But I wanted to include a couple of options in case you didn’t have the availability. Also note that sizing is important. I am happy to give a sizing opinion for any of these boards – would just need your height, weight and boot size.
Hope this helps
I think I am a high-end beginner. I am 156cm and 62kg female. I haven’t got my own boots yet. I am still reading your articles about how to choose boot, but my foot length is 22.5cm. Thanks!
Hi Rai
I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 147. Which would make the 146 YES Hello doable length-wise. But with your foot size, I would want to size it down a bit. If the Hello came in a 143/144, then I would go with that, but unfortunatley it’s smallest size is a 146. So I would be leaning Infinity if you can find it in a 145.
For the Chromatic I’d be looking at the 143 and the 145 for the Soulside.
Thanks Nate, I will try to find Infinity 145.
You’re very welcome Rai. Hope you can find it – and hope you have an awesome season!
Hey Nate!
Thank you so much for all your info and reviews. May I also ask for some advice? I’m a beginner with around 25 hours of experience. I’ve done my level 5 and I’m able to do big and small ‘s’ turns at relatively high speeds, with good technique. My instructor says I’d manage blue runs on the resort.
I currently ride a Burton Hideaway 148cm but feel it’s not great for trying pops and ollies so I want a board I can progress on. I learned in the indoor snow dome but will be riding a combination of Scottish resort groomers (I realise you won’t have any experience if this) and indoor fake snow at the moment. I do want to start trying boxes soon too. I’m using the Burton Scribe size medium bindings, Vans OG boots in a UK5 (I think that’s a 7.5 in the US), I’m 5ft 7” and 120lbs. I was thinking about the Yes Basic, but up for any suggestions at all. I’m also open to updating bindings if I need to.
Thank you in advance for any help/suggestions.
Michelle
Hi Michelle
Thanks for your message.
I think the YES Women’s Basic would definitely be a good option. Based on what you’re describing, you could also check out this list and this list. And I’d be particularly looking at:
– YES Women’s Basic (as you’ve already mentioned)
– Capita Space Metal Fantasy
– Lib Tech Glider
– Arbor Poparazzi Rocker
– Never Summer Women’s Proto Slinger
– Niche Minx
– Rome Heist
Noting that the last 3 there are slightly more challenging rides, but still doable. Also make sure to look at the score breakdowns for each board, to make sure it has what you want.
Size-wise, I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 146cm. However since it sounds like you’ve got more freestyle leanings, I would size down from that. Further, that 146 sizes assumes an advanced level, so I’d size down again. So I’d look in that 141-143 range.
Hope this helps
This is awesome, thank you soooo much, I really appreciate it. And my current bindings will work for any of these boards? Thanks again!
Hi Michelle
The Scribe are a good match for any of these boards, IMO. They are a good flex match. Assuming you have the Re:Flex model (which the Scribe don’t come in an EST model (which is only compatible with Burton boards) so you should be good. You will have received 2 sets of discs with the Scribe – the discs you’re using with the Hideaway will be the EST discs. You’ll need to switch to the Re:Flex discs to fit on these boards, but so long as you have those, they will be compatible.
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the great information that you provide.
I am coming back from a five year hiatus and looking to buy a new board and would love to hear your recommendations of boards for me. Before the hiatus, I could go down a green using big S turns. Tho, I know I don’t have the proper techniques down (ie, improper weight distribution, skidding turns, etc). Coming back from the hiatus, I have been out once this season and I felt decent on a green. I am looking to take a few lessons to learn proper snowboarding techniques and I am hoping to go >15 times this season.
I will be snowboarding in icy (Ontario, Canada) or man made snow. I’m 5’3″, 130lb, size 5.5 Women’s boot. My previous board was a 146.
Any specific board recommendation?
Thanks!
Hi Joyce
Thanks for your message.
Firstly in terms of sizing, I would size down a little from 146, if you can. Whilst I would put your “standard all mountain length” at 146 for your height/weight, most boards at that length are going to be on the wide side for your foot size. Sizing down length a little to compensate for the board being too wide is a good idea, IMO. And the fact that you’re closer to the beginner end of the spectrum, sizing down makes sense too. Given you’ve ridden a 146 and didn’t have too many issues with it (if I’m reading that right), then you don’t need to size down too much, but I’d be looking in the 142-144 range.
Given you’re in icy conditions, I would be looking at something like:
– YES Women’s Basic (formerly called the Emoticon) – not on this list but would’ve been 11th
– GNU Chromatic – not on this list but would’ve been 12th
– Roxy Dawn
Something like the Salomon Lotus or Rossignol Soulside would work too, but not quite as good in icy conditions, IMO.
If you wanted to step things up a little bit, then something like the GNU Velvet or Never Summer Infinity would also be good bets – not quite something I would call beginner, but high-end beginner/low intermediate doable.
Hope this helps
Thank you so much for your reply.
I see that the YES Women’s Basic is also on the intermediate list of snowboards. Does that mean I can progress with this board further than with Roxy Dawn or GNU Chromatic? Or are they similar?
The Roxy Dawn is the cheapest out of the three, with a difference of $130. Debating if I spend the money now, or get a cheaper board now and then upgrade later to an intermediate board.
Hi Joyce
Yeah, I would say you can progress further with the Women’s Basic than you could with the Dawn or Chromatic. I’d say the Dawn would be the easiest/fastest to progress on, but will be something you’ll like have to update quicker from. So, if you want that really quick/easy progression and willing to upgrade sooner, then that’s definitely an option. The Women’s Basic isn’t going to be hard/slow to progress on – still a beginner suitable board, but just a little more challenging to start out. But will likely last you longer progression-wise.
Hi Nate!
I would like to try a new board to learn freestyle specifically (mainly jumps, 180-360 jumps, switch and boxes). I am an intermediate snowboarder. I am 5’1″ and 125 lbs. I already have a Yes Emoticon 143 and a GNU Ladieschoice 142.5. I love them, but they aren’t soft/forgiving enough to try jackass things (I don’t have enough self-confidence). I have Burton Scribe (M) and Burton Escapade (M) bindings and Burton Ritual (6.5) boots.
I would like a board :
– really funny and +++forgiving (free edge-catch)
– light and easy to turn and jump
– soft (under 4/10)
– who’s good in icy conditions
– who’s okay for freestyle in slopes not only park
– maybe a little bit smaller than my other boards
– that will help me to improve my freestyle skills fast and help to get self-confidence
To sum it up, I want a toy to play in the snow 🙂
Can you suggest me some boards please.
Hope you can help me with this.
Thanks and have a nice day!
Hi Alexandra
Thanks for your message and apologies for the slow reply – have been super busy the last few days.
I think the Roxy Dawn would be a good bet for what you’re describing and I would also check out the Bataleon Feelbetter and Bataleon Spirit.
I agree that sizing down is a good idea, given it will be your dedicated freestyle board, so I’d be looking at the 138 for the Roxy Dawn and for the Feelbetter or Spirit you could either go 138 or 140, but I’d be leaning 138, given it will be your dedicated freestyle deck.
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate!
These 3 boards look cool. Can you give me the + and – of each one. It will be easier to make a choice 🙂
Will I be okay to use my bindings with these boards or should I be better to buy others bindings with a softer flex?
Thanks and happy New Year!
Hi Alexandra
I think you’d be OK using either the Scribe or Escapade on these boards. Ideally you’d want to go a little softer for how you’re looking to ride them, but those are doable.
Pros and cons of each, I would say:
– A little more pop from the Bataleon’s – a little better on jumps overall
– A little more icy edge hold from the Dawn, but not much in it
– None of them are going to be great carvers but the Bataleon’s a little better than the Dawn, with the Feelbetter being better than the Spirit and same would go for speed
Thanks Nate!
I chose the Spirit, it is my favorite design.
I love how light this board is and it’s so easy to flex 🙂
But there is one thing, maybe it is me or something else : I find it is tricky to turn, like if I catch a edge? Maybe it is my bindings who responded too fast? (If yes, which bindings would you recommend?) Or I need to learn again my turns with this board?
Anyway I will not give up, I know that I need to get used to this new board 🙂
Have a nice day!
Hi Alexandra
Thanks for the update.
It will take a little getting used to, particularly with something like Bataleon and the 3BT, it’s a bit of a different feel. It’s hard to say for sure, but the bindings may be making it a little too twitchy, which can happen with stiffer bindings on a softer board. No guarantees that’s the issue but it’s a possibility. If you were going to change your bindings, I would go softer – max 4/10 flex. So something like the Union Rosa, K2 Meridian, Ride CL-2 (or CL-4), Burton Citizen.
Which bindings did you use on it, Escapade or Scribe? And which size did you end up going with for the Spirit?
Hey Nate, Thank you for this list you put together. It has really helped me ,even reading through the comments helped!
Question: So last season was my first time snowboarding , I fell a lot but got a up a few times too. I rented gear and I’m sure it wasnt properly sized for me because I thought my knees were going to snap off! orrr maybe thats normal??? Anyways This season I plan on going at least 3-6 more times with friends. Im looking for a really cute and not super expensive board. I am a fast learner so I am sure that I will do better throughout this season… I have a background dabling in skateboarding ( nickle boards) , and surfing ( long foam boards)
My height is 5’2 1/2 Weight: 110lbs shoe size varies between 6.5-7
Any reccomndations on board/binding/shoe size?
– Thank you in advance 🙂
Hi Nicaya
Thanks for your message.
I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 141/142, but that would assumed an advanced level. As a rule of thumb I would take off 3-5cm as a beginner. So something in that 137-140 range is your best bet, IMO.
For boots it’s hard to say for sure what size you’ll be and it can depend on the brand as well. Which is why, if you get the chance, that if you can try on in person it’s best. But even if you can try on in person you want to know what you’re looking for, which is where the following will help:
>>How to Size Snowboard Boots
And if you can’t try on in person, here’s some things about different brands to see if it can help narrow down what might suit your feet/ankles best
Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands
In terms of size, you’re most likely to end up in a 6.5, I would say, based on your shoe sizes, but could be anything from a 6 to a 7, I would say.
For bindings, it will depend on the boot size you end up with and on the binding brand. The following will help you determine which you’re most likely to end up in , depending on the brand:
>>Snowboard Binding Sizing
If you narrow it down to a few specific boards you’ve got your eye on, I would be happy to give you specific sizing for each board – and if you’re not sure about any boots/bindings you’re looking at for suitability and sizing, let me know.
Hope this helps
Hi!
Thanks for the content!
I’m beginning to learn and was about to purchase a K2 First Lite when someone said that it was not a good snowboard for Ontario, Canada.
Mt Saint Louis and Blue Mountain, basically is where I’m beginning because they’re closer to Toronto.
Is there a problem with the type of snow or mountain? Like from snow machines. I’m lost with all the information!
I’d appreciate any tip regarding this!
5’1 and 125 lb, was thinking about getting a 141~143.
Thank you!
Hi Larisse
Thanks for your message.
Main reason it’s not ideal is that it’s not great in icy conditions, which are supposed to be quite prevalent our your way. I’ve never ridden in Ontario, so I don’t know first hand, but I’ve heard it’s often icy. So something that has good icy edge hold is a good idea.
My first choice would be the YES Emoticon. It didn’t quite make this list, but still a good beginner option (would have been 11th). Another that’s not on this list is the GNU Chromatic (would have been 12th). Also something like the Roxy Dawn or Rossignol Soulside or Salomon Lotus should be OK in those conditions too.
Size-wise, I think you should be good in that range. I wouldn’t go longer than 143 at this point, but you could go down to 140 as well if you wanted.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for the suggestions, Nate!
I found two options for used Salomon Lotus here in my area, already with bindings.
2012 model – 138 cm and
2013 model – 142 cm.
So I’m gonna consider those for now. I was afraid that 138 could be too short for me, but shouldn’t be so bad right?
I might stick with second hand boards in the beginning to be able to change if necessary.
Thanks a lot for all the information you put together in this page!
I just realized that maybe the profiles from previous versions are different.
Would something like an Roxy Ally BTX 2016 work?
Thanks!
Hi Larisse
Yeah it looks like the Lotus has a straight out flat camber profile for the 2012 and 2013 models. They still describe it a catch-free but I’ve never found all flat to be super catch-free. They probably detune the edges to help with catchiness but couldn’t say for sure how it would feel.
I think the Roxy Ally could work for sure. Should be nice and catch-free and easy to turn. The only thing would be getting used to coming off the lift with it – the BTX profile produces quite a loose feeling ride. Really easy to ride, but can feel quite loose when coming off the lift to start. Otherwise I think it would work well. Size-wise, you could do the 143 or even the 139. But if you could also let me know your boot size, so I can confirm appropriate sizing for width.
Hi! Yesterday, ended up buying the new Lotus, 142 cm! 😀
It was on sale due to boxing day.
Paid the price people were asking on the used boards, so I think it was a good deal. If I don’t get used to it, won’t loose a lot of money.
The rented boot I used was 7, but it was too tight on my toes. I’m buying the 7.5, but testing it just to make sure.
And for the bindings, I found the Salomon rhythm with a good price (I think) ~150 taxes included, also because of boxing day.
Not sure yet which to buy, cause I’m also looking at some vendettas on sale. Do you think they would be ok to start?
This page helped a lot for both my husband and I!
Thank you!
Hi Larisse
Great to hear you found a good deal!
The Vendetta are going to be a little stiffer, I would say than the Rhythm, but not much in it. Both would work and wouldn’t be a lot in it, but the Rhythm probably a little better in terms of flex match to the board – but that would be being fussy, the Vendetta should be fine to match with as well.
Hi Nate!
Thanks for all of the advice. I’m looking to buy my first board – I’ve had a total of 5 days out on the mountain over the last two seasons, and would say I’m at a solid Level 3 from your guide (falling leaf on blues is no problem, but linking turns coming a little more slowly). This year, I have an Ikon pass, so will be riding more often and hopefully progressing more quickly. I’d like to buy a board that will last (especially because I have work helping me with cost of this one, so can invest some extra $$ :)) So, my first question is, do you think I should focus on this list of boards, or consider the intermediate options as well? At what point will I “outgrow” this list?
Thanks!!
Hi Rachel
Given you’re going to be spending more time this year, I think you could probably move up to the Intermediate list. Typically I would suggest waiting until you’re level 4 to graduate to that, so it might be a bit of a steeper learning curve (something from this list would allow you to progress a little easier), but I think you could manage it. If you were going to be doing a couple more 2-3 day season’s, then I’d stick with this list. But if you’re going to be spending a good amount of time riding and you’re at level 3 now, then chances are pretty good you could outgrow one of these this season, depending on how often you go.
Totally up to you, but if you don’t want to have to upgrade too soon and willing for a bit more of a challenge to start with, then the intermediate list is the way to go.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate – thanks for your response. Since I’m in that borderline range, are there any from the intermediate list in particular you’d recommend?
I’ve been considering Capita Paradise (141) or Never Summer Infinity (142). I’ll be riding mostly at Palisades/Alpine with probably a few days at Mammoth.
Also would appreciate your input on sizing – I’m 5′-2″/125 lbs and size 7 shoe.
Thanks!
Hi Rachel
Firstly, in terms of sizing, I would put you on around a 144 as your “standard all-mountain length”. As a beginner/intermediate rider taking off a little bit of size isn’t a bad idea, so something in that 141-143 range, given your not a complete beginner, would be a good bet, IMO. So size-wise, the 141 Paradise and 142 Infinity fit nicely, IMO, and are a good width for your boot size as well.
Between those 2, I would say the Infinity is the slightly easier ride, so I’d be leaning towards that. And really anything on that intermediate list with a 4/10 flex is going to be a little easier to manage than the slightly stiffer options.
Hi Nate, I currently have a 2012 Rossignol Myth 149cm that I bought back in 2016 (Clearance Board at The-House).
I’m 5’7 and about 126 lbs.
Until this year, I’ve only been riding once or twice a year, hence not improving much past falling leaf. This year I bought a 2022-2023 Season Pass lift ticket to a nearby mountain (East Coast). My husband and son got a season pass too. I was looking at your top 10 list and I’m very much considering purchasing the Nitro Lectra. I know you suggest taking off a few centimeters for beginners. I really want to master turning this year. Should I get the 146cm? or 142cm? Also they have the 2022 Lectra model available as well. It is a little cheaper. What is your recommendation?
Also my son is a new beginner snowboarder. He’s a growing 5’7″ 15 year old. What size board should we start him on? Thank you for the snowboard wisdom!
Hi Kelly
Thanks for your message.
As far as I know the 2022 and 2023 Lectras are basically the same, apart from the graphics, so if you can the 2022 cheaper and in the best size, then I’d go for that.
Size-wise, I would put your “standard all-mountain size” at around 147. As a more beginner rider, sizing down from that is a good idea, but given you’re used to riding a 149, I think the 146 will be your best bet – it’s not sizing down much, but in this case I think you’ll be good. But if you could also let me know your boot size to confirm (a. to make sure it’s wide enough, but also if it’s a little too wide, then sizing down a bit more is a good idea).
For your son, if you could also let me know his weight. Sizing is more about weight than height (though I like to take both into account) and his boot (or shoe) size too would be great.
Hope this helps
Thank you Nate! My boot size is a women’s 6.5. Although I have Vans Boots currently in a women’s size 7 and they fit great!
My son is 5’7″ and 115 lbs – Boot Size 9
-Kelly
Hi Kelly
Yeah, I would still go 146 for the Lectra.
For your son, I would say a good size is around 144 – you could go a little smaller if you wanted to, as a beginner, but if you wanted to balance that with the fact he’s still growing – and so he doesn’t outgrow the board too quickly, then you could stick with something around that 144.
Nate! Thank you so much!!
Kelly
You’re very welcome Kelly. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hi Nate,
Thank you for all the reviews you have put out, they have really helped ease the snowboard buying process. After about 4 or 5 years of renting I am finally ready to buy a board. I consider myself to be a beginner to intermediate level rider and am looking for an all mountain board that will last. I was looking at getting the arbor ethos board, vans encore pro boots, and am having trouble choosing what bindings to get. I was looking at the union trilogy but realized that they are too stiff/advanced. I also looked at the union rosa but am afraid that I will outgrow them too quickly as I continue to progress since they are such a loose binding. Do you have any input on the bindings/set up as a whole? I mostly ride in Big Bear and go out about 5-10 times a year. Also, would a 144 cm board work for me as I am about 115 lbs and 5’2” and still growing. I want this set up to last as long as possible and am afraid that it is too much of a beginner set up that I will outgrow it too quickly. Any input would be greatly appreciated, thank you for your time.
Hi Amy
Given you’ve been riding a few years and in on the cuff of intermediate level, I would probably step up the board a little bit, particularly if you want it to last you a long time. I would instead look at our intermediate list. Flex-wise, I think something in that 4/10 to 5/10 flex range is your best bet.
The Encore Pro are a good bet for your boots, IMO, they are just right for your level, assuming they fit your feet well. If they do, then I think you’re good to go with them.
For the bindings, it would depend on the board you ultimately decide on, but again, I would be looking to go at least 4/10 flex and up to 6/10 flex max. So I agree with with the Rosa being a little too soft and the Trilogy being a little too stiff. I think the Ultra would be a really good option, but the Legacy would also work, if you’re looking at Union. Plenty of other options, if you were to look at other brands too. Some to consider in the following:
>>Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Don’t be too concerned with the names of those lists, just had to give them names – but check out the specs, score breakdowns etc.
Happy to bounce some ideas off if you have a couple you like the look of (in terms of boards and bindings) and can’t decide between them – and size-wise happy to give a sizing opinion for specific boards, if you were able to narrow down to 2-3 boards. Generally speaking I would put your “standard all-mountain” length at around 142 – as someone closer to the beginner end of the spectrum I would tend to go a little smaller than that, but if you’re still growing, then something around that might be a good idea, but it’s also helpful to look at the specific board, because there are certain features and specs of boards that can make them better to ride a little longer or a little shorter.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
My friend is a 2nd season rider looking for a new board to learn on. She had the libtech cortado last year and struggled learning on that.
She is looking at the K2 first lite and is currently on medium union juliet bindings and 8 boot size. Would this board be too narrow?
Thanks so much in advance!
Hi Brittany
Thanks for your message.
With 8s she should be good on anything from the 142 size. The 138 would also likely be doable but a little more risky, depending on bindings angles and how bulky her boots are. If you’d like a length recommendation I would be happy to help. Would just need her height, weight and boot size. Also if you could let me know the size of the Cortado she was riding.
Thanks so much! She was on 148 cortado, she’s 5’8, about 140. I think that particular board only came in a 146 and 150?
Also open to any other suggestions for board you may have. Appreciate all your input 🙂
Hi Brittany
I think the first Lite in the 146 would be a good bet. I would put her “standard all-mountain length” at around 150, which assumes a fairly advanced level. Sizing down as a beginner is a good idea. The Cortado is a rather wide board, so given the length and width combo, I think the 148 would have been a little too big for her, which would have contributed to her struggles on it. The 146 First Lite should be a much easier ride.
What’s the between K2 first lite and dreamsicle? Found a pretty good price for the latter on evo outlets. I’m 5’3’’ (160mm) and 150lb, I’m looking for something more nimble and easy to turn so I can progress to darker blues and glades. A bit beyond first turns, but don’t know how to carve yet.
Hi Jun
Thanks for your message.
Main difference is that the Dreamsicle is a little stiffer. But still on the softer side. I think the Dreamsicle would be the best bet for what you’re describing. Still an easy going board and still beginner friendly, but will get you a little further in your progression than the First Lite, IMO. Where you’re at both would work, but I would be leaning Dreamsicle. Another difference is that the Dreamsicle is a little more directional, but for what you’re describing that’s a good thing. And the difference isn’t huge either. I’d be looking at the 146 Dreamsicle at this stage, but if you could also let me know your boot size as well.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate
Love your site, super informative! I’ve thoroughly been reading, but still haven’t landed on a new set up, so I was hoping you could help me out with a board decision…There’s just so many more options for females now!
About me: 5’3″, 120lb, Sz 7. I haven’t snowboarded in the past 8 years (yikes!) after moving to the East Coast. Excited to have some trips planned this year. My previous board is like 20 years old (hence why i desperately need a new set up) and so much has changed! It was a Ride Fuel 148 (def too big), I’m unsure on the profile, but obviously had a lot of camber!
I’m hoping that it’s somewhat like riding a bike and I’m not starting from zero (my friends feel confident that I won’t). So maybe beginner 4ish? The boards I was looking at are:
– Gnu Chromatic
– Bataleon Push Up
– Bataleon Spirt
I think I ruled out the Ride Compact as the nose looked a bit narrow/pointy. Had also been looking at the Capita Paradise.
For size, thinking 143?? Unless in the case of the Spirt where I think I’d have to do 146 based on Boot Size?
If you have any thoughts on the above, would love to hear it! I’m also planning to get new bindings of course, but know I should probably find the board first so they match up well!?
Thank you so much!
Jamie
Hi Jamie
Thanks for your message.
Yeah definitely a good idea to decide on the board first and then look at bindings to match it.
In terms of sizing I would put your “standard all-mountain” length at around 144. I probably wouldn’t go longer than that if you’re about at that beginner 4. For a complete beginner, it’s a good idea to take off 2-5cm as a rule of thumb, but as a higher end beginner who has experience already, you can probably go up to that length or a couple of cms below. But I’d try not to go longer.
With 7s, I think you’d be fine on the 143 Spirit width-wise, so no need to go up to the 146 with that one, IMO. However, it is a very soft board and you might find it feels a bit too soft as you progress – and you’ll likely progress quite quickly given you do have experience already. It’s usually pretty quick to get back into it. Unless you’re really keen on creative, playful freestyle riding and don’t ever see yourself riding that fast, I wouldn’t go as soft as that.
The Chromatic and Push Up are still quite soft, but better bets, IMO. And the 143 good sizes.
The Paradise is a little stiffer but not necessarily too stiff, given you’re a higher end beginner, who’ll likely progress beyond that fairly quickly. Again, the 143 would be your best bet. If you think you’ll want to be riding a bit faster, then something like the Paradise will give you a bit more stability – whilst still being a pretty easy ride. Also, since you’re on the beginner/intermediate cusp, you could also check out our intermediate list for more options.
Hope this helps
Thanks so much for taking the time!! Super helpful!
I decided to go with Bataleon, as I’m super interested in the 3BT Tech! And for which one – the Push Up. However, also reading a lot of good things about the Feelbetter. Do you think that’s too beginner? I like that the camber is mellower, but it’s also softer, and I didn’t want to go too soft. I definitely won’t be charging down the mountain in any case!
For bindings – would love your thoughts on a good match. I was looking at your reviews and the Union Legacy caught my eye – but wasn’t sure if that was too stiff for these boards? Any thoughts on the lower end models – Juliet or Rosa? Or of course any other brands too =)
Thanks again!!
Jamie
Hi Jamie
I believe the Push Up and Feelbetter both have Bataleon’s “medium” camber. But yeah the Feelbetter does look to be a little softer – but still not as soft as the Spirit, so it’s doable. But I don’t think the Push Up will be too difficult to ride or anything. The 3BT makes Bataleon boards pretty catch-free, even when stiffer or with more camber, so I think you’d be good with either, but the Feelbetter is certainly suitable, IMO, so that’s an option, for sure.
For bindings, the Legacy would match with the Push Up, but it’s the stiffest end of the range I’d put on the Push Up. I think it would be a bit too stiff for the Feelbetter. The Juliet would work for either. The Rosa would work for both as well. Only question mark there is whether it’s something you may end up wanting to upgrade from down the line, especially if you were to get a stiffer board in a few years. If you don’t think you will, then they will do the job. If you think there’s a chance you go stiffer with your board down the line and don’t want to have to change your bindings, then they may be a bit too soft.
The Union Women’s Ultra would also be a good match for those boards and at a 5/10 flex would be a good bet for both working now and future proofing. They are a little more costly than those other options though. Others around that 5/10 flex that would work well, IMO, are the Burton Scribe, Flux GS, Salomon Mirage or Burton Escapade (though they are even more pricey than the Union Ultra).
Hi Nate!
Keep searching about Bataleon boards, wrote to Bataleon crew also.
And think that Push up will be too much for beginner (maybe it more like a board for me).
So, there aren`t a lot of options remains.
Bataleon Spirit 146
Bataleon Feelbetter 146
And what can you say about Rome Royal? In 144 it has 240mm waist and in 147 – 242mm waist. Can we concider this board too and in which size?
Thanks 🙂
Hi Elena
I think the Royal would work well – I’d be looking at the 144. And it looks like the 144 actually has a 244mm waist, so should be plenty wide enough, IMO.
Thank you so much for this article and the updates! My daughter was able to go snowboarding with a friend last year and loved it. She is hoping to take a class through her college this winter and wants her own gear. I’ve offered to get some for birthday/Christmas gifts, but have no clue where to start. She’s a beginner and fell A LOT last year 😂 She’s 115lbs and 5’3″. She was looking at the Arbor Poparazzi Rocker, 141, but now I’m wondering if we need to look at something else? Thanks again for the great recommendations!
Hi Melissa
Thanks for your message.
I think the Poparazzi 141 would be doable. It’s what I consider to be very good for a highend beginner looking to progress. It’s not on this list, but it’s still a suitable beginner board. A slightly steeper learning curve than some on this list, but still very doable – and particularly if she’s learning reasonably fast, I think it would be fine. If you want the easiest possible, and she likes Arbor – then the Foundation is the best bet. Size-wise, I would put your daughter on a round a 143 as her “standard” size, but that assumes a relatively advanced level. A good idea to err a bit smaller as a beginner – so I think 141 works. But if you could also let me know her boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of her boot size) – just to make sure the width is OK.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
Big thanks for the response and recommendations!
And you have a nice new logo on the site! 🙂
Unfortunately, I didn’t find in our shops K2 Dreamsicle, Yes Emoticon and Rossi Soulside (only 20-21 season boards). But we will consider Ride Compact and Bataleon Spirit, fortunately they are in stock in 146 🙂
Also would like to ask your opinion for how long she could ride the beginner board? Hope to get a board she can progress on without changing it next season but which don’t punish for every mistake. Wouldn’t Spirit, for example, be too wobbly for mountain riding?
May we add options like Bataleon Feelbetter 146 (stiffness 3, waist 240), Push Up in 146 (stiffness 4, waist 240), Nidecker Ora in 147 (stiffness 4-5, waist 242)? Or they will be to much for begining?
And what can you say about using my friend’s Burton Stylus in 142 (241 waist) for the start of the season to have lessons? (I understand, it may be too short, but?) 🙂
Hi Elena
Firstly the Stylus is a great option as a beginner board. It is a little on the small side for her, but for the first couple of days it would be fine. But in terms of buying something like that I think it would be too small and she would outgrow it too quickly.
You could certainly look at something like the Feelbetter and Pushup 146s. Just note that it will be a slightly steeper learning curve. They have more camber than the Spirit. They’re still nothing too stiff or anything, so they should be fine. Especially if she gets out on the Stylus 142 for a bit first to build her confidence. The Ora is maybe a step too far though. But the Nidecker Elle would be a good option.
How long you want to stay on a beginner board is a tough one to predict. There are so many factors. Depends on how fast she was to progress – and this can in turn depend on how many days in a season she rides (e.g. if she did a 50 day season, then it would probably only last one season, but if she’s doing 5 days per season, then could get 2-3 season’s out of it). Can depend on how risk averse she is as well – if she wants to ride fast or wants to just cruise – if it’s the latter, then a beginner board would last a lot longer. But yeah, hard to say for sure.
Hi Nate!
Thanks for your detailed response.
Will start this season lessons with Stylus and then watch how she progress. Compare to horse riding (she go into jumping competition lessons, so risky enough)
🙂 I think she will overcome very beginner stage fast. But we need to buy bindings, I found some Now Vetta in M size for reasonable price. What do you think? Will they work with already mentioned Bataleon boards?
We will choose between Bataleons, cause sister said that she like the design 🙂
And I will definitely ask you about board once again when the season starts. As for me I don’t see much difference between Feelbetter and Push up (1 point in stiffness and both medium camber) 🤔 but you always so good in explaining even little difference 🙂
Hi Elena
Yes the NOW Vetta would work with any of those Bataleon options, IMO. And yeah, get back in touch when you’re ready to make a decision on the board, would be happy to help you make the final choice then.
Hi Nate!
Thank a lot,
Will be back for your help 🙂
Hi Nate!
Once again thanks a lot for your recommendations and deep knowledge. Now, I’m searching a board for my sister. She is novice rider, 172 cm height, 58 kg weight and have Nitro Flora boots in US9.
Already found some options (with your great article):
Rossignol Myth
Rossignol Gala
Nitro Lectra
Or maybe Bataleon Spirit
And what board size will be better for her. Something between 140-152, or 154?
Thanks a lot!
Hi Elena
Good to hear from you again.
Size-wise for your sister, I would be looking at something around 143-146. I would put her “standard length” at around 147/148, but as a beginner sizing down a little from that is a good idea. All of the boards you’ve mentioned are good for beginners, however with US9s, the width is worth looking at. If she’s going to be riding with an at least some angle on the back binding, then I think she should be good with all of those in that size range, but if she wants the option for a flat back foot (0-3 degree binding angle) then some of those could be pushing it being too narrow width-wise. In that case, I would be leaning Rossignol Soulside (145) or Bataleon Spirit (146). Note that the Gala is now called the Soulside, if you’re looking at 2023 moedls (it’s not exactly the same board as the Gala, but really close and just as beginner suitable). If you think she’ll be riding with some back binding angle, then I think any of the following sizes would work fine:
– Rossignol Myth 144
– Rossignol Gala 146
– Rossignol Soulside 145
– Nitro Lectra 146
– Bataleon Spirit 146
Hi Nate!
Thanks a lot for your answer, you know so much and your advices works 🙂
Managers from our local shop tell something about 154, but I thought is too much for her and you confirmed my thoughts.
Right now we think to get a 21-22 season board, there are some nice discounts 🙂
I don’t think that she will ride (0-3 degree) but she rode a rental boards and I don’t remember the degrees.
But, if she will than we should size up?
And what board will be better? (Aside from Lectra, it’s number 1 in your list!)
I know that Bataleon have some kind of spoon similar to Jones, will it help the novice rider? Or it doesn’t make sense? I tried Jones Dream Catcher and feels like spoon nose makes ride a little easier, but maybe it’s just an illusion 🙂
Thanks a lot!
Hi Elena
Yeah, having spoon tech can make it easier for beginners because it reduces the chances of catching an edge. Any of those options though should be easy to learn on. Rather than sizing up if you think she’ll ride with a 0-3 angle and if you’re worried they’ll be too narrow, I would instead just look for something wider. Still in that length range. If you’d like I can search for some suitable options that are a bit wider. Yeah, 154 way too big for her, IMO. But a lot of people are still stuck on going with height alone as their sole sizing factor – when it’s actually weight that’s more important.
Hi Nate!
That will be a pleasure if you can search some more options 🙂
Big thanks!
So, the 147-148 is her size range for all-mountain when she will become more experienced?
Hi Elena
Yes, something around 147/148 would be a good advanced level all-mountain size for her, IMO.
Some other options with a wider width:
– K2 Dreamsicle 146 (241mm waist)
– Ride Compact 146 (240mm waist)
– Rossignol Meraki 145 (240mm waist)
– YES Emoticon 146 (239mm waist) or 143 (237mm waist)
But the Spirit and Soulside should also be pretty safe width-wise, IMO.
Hello!
First of all, thank you very much for all the articles you have done, they have helped me a lot and it is appreciated that you also publish content for women.
I’m a beginner girl (I’m 1,69 m tall and I weigh 55kg, foot size 40/25.0). I have decided to buy my own equipment because last year I went snowboarding and in my country the rent is very expensive…. I fell in love with this sport so I decided it was worth the investment.
I have the problem of choosing the board. I’m pretty sure I’ll buy the Burton Mint (25.0) boots and the Burton Citizen bindings, I guess should be a size M, right?
I’m not obsessed with Burton, but in my country right now there’s not much in stock.
Then, following the stock line, I was thinking about a Nitro Lectra or the Ride Heartbraker, but it’s impossible to find them in shops. So a guy in a shop recommended me the Roxy Raina 147. I found it rated as a beginner-intermediate as well as intermediate-advanced…
Do you think it would suit me? I’m in the process of learning how to do S turns, I’m not doing them very well, but the heel or toe down turns are fine.
What do you recommend? Is it too much board for my level? The guy told me it was perfect and it would progress but I don’t know if he was just selling it to me….
Hi Anna
Thanks for your message.
That boot and binding combo should work well for you as your first setup – and yes go with M for the Citizens.
The Roxy Raina looks like it would be suitable for a beginner. It’s medium-soft flex and it’s a pretty forgiving, easy camber profile to learn on, so I’ve got no issues with the board itself. But the size, IMO, is too big for your specs. If you could find it in the 143, then I’d say go for it. But the 147 is too big for you, IMO. I would consider your “standard” size to be around 145 – 146 max – but that assumes a relatively advanced level. As a beginner, I would size down from that. So, something in the 141 to 143 range would be your best bet, IMO. If you can find a 143 Raina, I think that’s a good bet, but I wouldn’t go for the 147.
Hope this helps
Hi!
Thank you very much for your reply, how quick! hahaha.
I will visit another store today to find the Nitro Lectra or the Arbor Ethos, I don’t think so but I have to try.
However, about what you say about the size, I have seen that in the Arbor Ethos guide it says that if I take the size 144, I should wear the S bindings? Will my feet be too big for that size of board if I wear the M bindings?
Thank you very much!
Hi Anna
I doubt you’d have trouble width-wise on the Ethos 144. Arbor boards are wider at the inserts than they look just looking at the waist width. Definitely shouldn’t have any issues getting a medium Burton Citizen on there – and very unlikely to have any boot drag issues with that size Burton Mint on the 144 Ethos, IMO.
Hey Nate,
I am looking for a board to get my girlfriend. This will be the first time she’ll be boarding and I want to get something appropriate for her that she can progress on. Right now she’s narrowed it down between the Rossignal Myth and Ride Heartbreaker both in the smallest size 138/139. Seeing that the Rossignal Myth isn’t on this list, the Heartbreaker may be the better choice for her. Would love to know your thoughts between the two. Thanks.
Hi Nicky
Thanks for your message.
The Myth is on this list (see number 7). Either one would be a great first board, IMO. Size-wise, would depend on her specs, but it sounds like you’ve done the research on sizing already?
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I was hoping you could help me decide on a board. I am a complete beginner that has gone only a few times over the last few years, but want to buy my own setup for next season as I’m excited and dedicated to learn. I have a few boards I am interested in and was hoping you can provide some insight/guidance on which board and what size may be the best for me to purchase.
5’3 at 113lbs
DC Lotus Boots in 6.5
Location- Mostly at Big Bear/Summit and Mammoth/Tahoe
K2 Dreamsicle
K2 Lime Lite
Ride Heartbreaker
Salomon Lotus
YES Emoticon
They all have different profiles which make it difficult for me to really know which board would be good for a beginner like me.
Thank you!
Hi Emi
Thank for your message.
Whilst they all have slightly different camber profiles, they’re all beginner suitable, IMO. Something like the Lime Lite and Emoticon are the best bets, if you’re looking to have something that can take you further into your progression, IMO. The other more pure beginner – which isn’t a bad thing, if you’re looking for really fast progression and happy to upgrade fairly quickly. But if you wanted that something you could ride for longer without outgrowing it, then I’d be looking either Emoticon or Lime Lite.
Size-wise, I’d say your “standard all-mountain” size is around a 143, but that’s assuming a relatively advanced level, so you’d want to size down a little from there. 138-141 would be a good range to look at. Which makes the smallest Emoticon (143) on the big side for you, IMO. Doable, but not ideal. The Lime Lite in the 138 would be on the smallest end of that scale, but would be what I’d leaning or you could stretch to the 142 Lime Lite.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate!
Thank you for your quick response. I couldn’t find the lime lite in the size you suggested as it’s out of stock and the Emoticon at 143 may be too big for me at this stage. So far I was only able to find sizes for the following:
K2 Dreamsicle (rocker-flat-rocker) 138
Ride Heartbreaker (rocker-camber-rocker) 139
Salomon Lotus (flat-camber-flat) 138
I was told by friends to stay away from anything with rocker as it’ll teach me “bad habits” and I’ll have to relearn again if I ever get more advanced camber boards in the future. Which has created some doubt in my mind but everywhere I’ve read said that having rocker in the board will help with learning. What are your thoughts on this and how would it apply to the boards I’ve narrowed it down to?
Another thing I was looking at was the Union Legacy Bindings– I found a size small but since I have a 6.5 boot, I am not sure if I should grab these or find ones in medium.
Again, thank you. It’s been incredibly helpful!
Hi Emi
I think it’s a bad idea going for something that’s full camber to start out with. It will teach you to ride camber for sure, but you’re not likely to have any fun doing it – and your progress is likely to be slow – and if you’re catching an edge all the time, you’re likely to lose confidence, so I wouldn’t recommend it. But having some camber in the profile can be a good idea, so you do get used to that camber feeling, but having rocker in there will make the experience much better, IMO. Flat to rocker is still very good to learn on, in terms of quick progression – and a good way to get started and build confidence before moving on to a more technical board – you don’t have to relearn riding for a camber board, you just have to build upon what you’ve learned. It’s like a kid learning to ride a bike – you start out on a balance bike, where you learn about balancing and steering, then you move to a pedal bike, but not yet to a bike with gears, so you can learn to pedal, whilst also balancing and steering and then once you can do all that at once, you move to gears, where you learn to change gears whilst doing everything else. Not a perfect analogy, but point being, that you don’t have to relearn how to balance and steer, when you also include pedaling or changing gears.
But if you’re worried about not having any camber, then a hybrid camber (rocker/camber/rocker) or hybrid rocker (camber/rocker/camber) is a good way to go. The Lotus, whilst not having any rocker per se, they add a “bite free bevel” as they call it, which reduces the chance of catching edges. So, if you did want to make sure to have some camber, then the Heartbreaker and Lotus of those options would be your best bet.
Hey Nate!
I actually found a used 2022 Ride Heartbreaker 139 for 200 which is a steal! I am most likely thinking of picking up this board since the price looks good. I know you mentioned that sizes between 138-141 would be good for me, but the sizing chart for the 139 shows weight from 60-100lbs. Would this size still be okay for me?
Hi Emi
Yeah, I wouldn’t worry too much about being outside those weight recommendations – the 139 would be a great size for you, IMO. It’s something you will want to size up from at some point. But it’s also a board you’ll want to upgrade from at some point as well, so I would go with that size.
Oh and in my last reply, I forgot to comment on the Union Legacy. I think small would work fine with DC 6.5s, but the medium would also work as well. My women’s gear tester Jade, wears 6.5s and Medium Union bindings fit her fine. However, the Legacy might be a bit stiff for right now – as a beginner – and a bit stiff for the Heartbreaker as well. Ideally, I would go with slightly softer bindings.
Thanks Nate for such a detailed response! That’s a great analogy and makes a ton of sense.
I ended up not buying the used Heartbreaker—the condition wasn’t all too great. But I was able to find your initial suggestion for the K2 Lime Lite in 138 at a local shop and picked one up today! I know you said the Rosa legacy are too stiff for the Heartbreaker, but what about the lime lite? I also saw that there were Union Rosa bindings which are supposedly softer—would this be better?
Hi Emi
Awesome you were able to find the Lime Lite. The Rosa are probably the better match – and more beginner suitable. But the Legacy are a little more doable with the Lime Lite than the Heartbreaker. But I would be leaning Rosa in this case. There’s also the Juliet than Union do, if you wanted to go stiffer than the Rosa, but not quite Legacy.
Thanks so much for this super informative article. I’ve been shopping for boards and as a petite woman, it’s been a challenge. I’m 4’11” and around 95 lbs. I’ve been primarily taking lessons and learning on a rental board that’s 130cm. I did use a 136 during one of my lessons, but I found it a bit heavier and trickier to manage. It could also be because the rental boards are quite stiff (probably around 7/10 flex) and heavy.
Most women’s boards start at 138-140, and I wonder if that’s a bit too long for me as a beginner. I only found a few boards for women that start at smaller sizes and I’ve been looking at:
– GNU Gloss (comes in 130 and 136)
– Salomon LOTUS (135+)
– Ride Twinpig (136+)
Out of these, I’m highly considering the GNU Gloss but I’m uncertain whether to go 130 or 136 based on my experience with the rentals. It is a lot softer than the rentals so I don’t know if that makes a difference in the length I could manage. 130 does seem a bit small especially after I advance a bit but I wonder if 136 would be too much at this point. Would love to hear your thoughts.
Hi Clarice
Thanks for your message.
I think you should be fine on the 136 GNU Gloss. It is a very forgiving board – and will be much lighter than rental boards. It is a size that’s probably a little too big as a beginner, and ideally go a bit smaller, but 130 I think is a bit small and you would likely grow out of it very quickly. The Salomon Lotus in 135 could work too. The Twinpig is a wider board – and the width and length combination of that one makes it too big, IMO. And it’s a more advanced board as well.
If you could also let me know your boot size to confirm (also very important for sizing), but I suspect the Gloss will be the best option as it’s likely the best width for you. And therefore the best combination of width and length.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate! I’m hoping you can help me pick the right snowboard. I’m a beginner who is back to Level 2 from Level 4 after some years off the mountain to start a family. My old secondhand Burton Feather 139 is no longer appropriate because of weight gain, though I’m in reasonably good shape. I can afford to buy a setup that suits me. I tend to go later in the season to North Tahoe when prices come down a bit, so something good in icy groomers would be ideal. No interest in the park, I just like going down the mountain.
I’m 46 years old, 5’2”, 130 lbs in pajamas, size 7.5 shoes. I was thinking of a Gnu Chromatic 143 with Union Rosa bindings. Or is that too advanced and I should focus on a more purely beginner board? Any recommendations? Many thanks for this great resource.
Hi Kate
Thanks for your message.
The Chromatic is a very good option for beginners, IMO, hence being on this list – so not too advanced at all, IMO. I think that’s a good size and would suit what you’re describing well. And the Union Rosa are a good match too, IMO. I think the only thing to consider is that the Chromatic is looser feeling. This does make it really easy to turn on – you’ve got this kind of pivot point between your feet that makes turn initiations really easy. This can make things a little squirrelly when riding faster though – and can be more challenging coming off the lift, until you get used to the feel. If all that sounds fine, then I’d say go for it. If you think you’d prefer a less loose feel, but still really good in icy conditions, then the YES Emoticon 143 would be a great alternative.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thank you, that does help! A lot!
You’re very welcome Kate. Happy riding!
Hi Nate,
I stumbled upon your site while I was searching for a new board and thought I would throw my hat in the ring for a board recommendation. I just started snowboarding this year and am a level-4ish beginner based on your chart. I have been renting a (very) old model of a 142cm Head True and that has been working ok for me (though it has an aesthetic that screams teenage boy from 2002 not 37 year old lady).
I am 5′ 4 and usually weigh between 138-142 lbs – size 7 shoe. I will mostly be on piste but might check out the park. I would like something that can come with me at least through my intermediate progression and can handle hard snow/ice (yay East Coast!). I was looking at the Yes Emoticon and was thinking it would be the perfect board but saw a couple of reviews with folks noting some quality issues (which is a concern but they do have a lifetime warranty). I was also looking at the Arbor Poparazzi and maybe the Salomon Lotus. I am open to other suggestions and would love to hear your thoughts on sizing. For example the Yes Emoticon chart suggests I would be fine on either the 146, 149 or 152 but was thinking the 146 would be best for me. Thanks in advance!
Cheers,
JT
Hi JT
Thanks for your message.
My wife has an old 2016 YES Emoticon and has held up really well. That said, she doesn’t only ride a handful of days a year, but it’s gone through 5 seasons (roughly 20 days I’d say) of work without showing any major signs or wear and tear yet. But beyond that I couldn’t say how it will hold up. Note that she doesn’t ride the park. It would certainly suit what you’re describing, IMO.
The Poparazzi Rocker would also work for sure. Possibly even get away with the Poparazzi camber (Arbor’s camber is a little more friendly than traditional camber) – but it would be more of a stretch. The Lotus too, but my biggest hesitation would be if it ends up being something that you would need to upgrade from sooner than you would with the Emoticon or Poparazzi.
Size-wise, I would put your “standard all-mountain” size at around 148. As a level 4 beginner and if you’re looking to ride in the park as well, I would come down a bit from that, so for the Emoticon, I would be looking at the 146. For the Poparazzi Rocker, it’s a weigh up between the 144 and 147. If you saw yourself spending a lot of time in the park, then 144, otherwise I’d probably be erring 147.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks! Your definitely helps as I think through what feels like a large number of choices. I really appreciate you taking the time to respond so thoroughly. Now to try to figure out bindings…
Hi Jessica.
For bindings I would be looking at something around 4/10 flex for those boards. Something like the Union Milan, Salomon Nova or K2 Meridian would be good bets.
Thank you, again. Just to complicate matters, I am now looking at a few other boards thanks to my local shop not being a dealer for either of those brands (though I know that can find them easily on the web). Do you have any thoughts on the Rossignol Airis (which replaced the Frenemy – though there are still some Frenemys in the world ) and any of the Jones board offerings? I saw in your review that the Dream Catcher is hard to skid around corners (but not impossible), is that a deal breaker for my level of progression?
Hi Jessica
I think the Airis (or Frenemy, if you found one of those – they’re not identical but very similar) would work well for your level and what you’re describing. The Dream Catcher, IMO, might be stretching things a little too far. Doable, but if you had the choice between that and the Airis/Frenemy, I’d go Airis/Frenemy.
The Jones Twin Sister also doable, but again, it’s a little bit more of a step up.
Went with the Airis and the Nova Bindings. Not sure when I’ll be able to get out but will let you know how it goes!
Hi Jessica
Thanks for the update. Would be awesome to hear how you get on, when you do get a chance to get them out on snow.
Hi Nate,
I love this site, and visit it often these days!
I’m looking to buy me a new board.
I’m 5ft6, 110lb, with boot size 6.5 and I own a Burton feather 153 from 2007. I think it was a bit too big for me, cause i’m still struggling with one of my turns.
After a 12 year break I’ve planned a holiday in France next month.
I’ll definitely go for a smaller board, and I really like the yes emoticons, but that is not a definite choice.
Witch size/board would you recommend?
Looking forward to your opinion.
Anika
Hi Anika
Thanks for your message.
I agree that 153 is too big for you – by quite a lot!
The Emoticon would be a good choice, IMO, for what you’re describing. Size-wise, I would go for the 143. I wouldn’t go longer than 143 for your specs, so if you can’t find that size, we can look at some alternative options.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
Your website is so comprehensive and helpful! Wanted to run a board choice by you. I’m a beginner (Level 3, according to your article), and wanted to buy the Nitro Lectra in 142.
I’m 5’3,” 130lb, with a size 6 Women’s boot (23 cm foot).
Goal is all-mountain, as I don’t know what I love best yet.
Thank you!
Hi Jennifer
Thanks for your message.
I think the Lectra would be a great choice for what you’re describing, and the 142 is just right for you, IMO. I’d put you roughly on a 146 as your “standard all-mountain” size, but as a beginner a good rule of thumb is to take off 3-5cm, so that puts the 142 right in that range.
Hope this helps
Thanks so much for your help!
A quick question on bindings: The salesperson at the shop suggested I pair my smallish boots (Burton Mint Boa’s Size 6) with the Nitro Mini Chargers. I don’t mind using youth equipment as it’s generally cheaper, but do you have any concerns with that recommendation?
I feel like the flex lines up with the boots and board, but perhaps it’s not rated for an adult’s weight (despite having small feet).
Hi Jennifer
I don’t have any real experience with youth/kids bindings (apart from my kid’s bindings, but we got him those when he was 4, so that’s not relevant!). So I couldn’t say for sure. I’d be a little weary of it, because of the flex. Whilst as a beginner you do want to go with softer flexing stuff (like the Lectra and Mint) but just not sure how soft something like the Nitro Mini would feel. And it’s not like 6s are ultra small or anything. For Burton bindings for example, you could even go into their medium bindings. For Union, as another example, you’d be on the small, but I’ve known women with 6.5 boots happily riding Union Medium bindings. So I don’t feel like your boot size is so small that you have to go with youth/kids sizes. Every brand that I know of (apart from maybe Rome) have sizing that accommodates for 6 and usually down to at least 5.
Thank you Nate, that is extremely helpful. Hope you’re enjoying the season so far.
You’re very welcome Jennifer. My season is going well – hope yours is too!
Hey!
All of this information is so helpful so thank you! I have a quick question – I am getting back into snowboarding with my kids – I used to snowboard in my teens and 20s but it has been a good 15 years since I have been. I am looking to get maybe the K2 First Lite – looks to be one of the only boards in stock anywhere on this list. What size should I be going with? I am 5’6”. Around 160 lbs. should I be going with the 150? Or should I be going shorter? Would the 146 be too short? All the lists based on my weight say even longer than that but would love your opinion!
Hi Laura
Thanks for your message.
I would put you at around a 152 as your “standard all-mountain” length, which assumes a relatively advanced level. If you feel you’ll be starting out more beginner, then going shorter than that makes sense. Since you’ve had some experience in the past, I don’t think you’ll have to size down too much, so I think the 150 would be your best bet in the First Lite. But if you could also let me know your boot size, that would help. Boot size also important for sizing.
Given that you may get up to a more intermediate level fairly quickly because of your past experience, you could also look at this list – but if you’re wanting a super easy re-introduction into snowboarding, the First Lite would work well, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate!
I want to say this list has been the most helpful for information on boards for beginners. I’m currently riding a Morrow 153, (bought it on sale a couple years ago to give snowboarding a try) I finally realized I need something with some flex. I ride maybe a handful of times a year in Minnesota. I still hesitate heel to toe turns but I can rock the toe to heel. I’m 153/158lbs, 5’9”. I wear size 10 Burton Mint boots with Burton L bindings. Could you help me narrow it down to a few board choices.
Thank you!
Hi Sally
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, I would look to reduce the length a little bit. I would say something around 150/151 would be a good length for you as a more advanced rider, but as a beginner, even if not a complete beginner I would be looking at something around 147-149. With 10s in your boots, we can’t go too narrow. Some good beginner board options in that size range, that will be wide enough:
– Burton Stylus: 147 (243mm waist)
– Burton Yeahsayer (flat top or flying v): 148 (244mm waist)
– Lib Tech Glider 147 (243mm waist)
– Salomon Wonder 148 (243mm waist) – this one is a little bit more advanced but still doable for a higher end beginner
– K2 Dreamsicle 149 (242mm waist)
– Salomon Oh Yeah 147 (242mm waist)
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
Love your site. Thank you for all the resources! I’d love to get your advice on what is the best board to buy for the fastest progression. My goal is to master controlling my turns at higher speeds without catching edge. Price is no issue. We’ve been skiing SoCal, Colorado, and Whistler- powder and a mixture of manmade so a tiny bit icy by the afternoon then we call it quits. I am 5’2”, 105lbs, 5.5 shoe size.
I can link my turns ok but it’s ugly at this point lol, ride switch, and would like to do jumps eventually in the park. My husband and son ski so I would like a board that is also fast on the mountain. I have gone 3x this season – 6 days total now, but I do have a background in surfing and skateboarding which I am consciously working to break bad habits that are transferring to snowboarding. Any tips regarding this would be appreciated too lol
The first demo was a K2 Dreamsicle 149. Felt like a boat so they swapped me to a Gnu B Nice 139 and it made a huge difference in being able to turn. The second trip I was on a Nidecker 140 – shortest they had. Felt heavy and didn’t see much progression on my turns. This current trip I had a Burton Talent Scout 138 – was catching edge a bit more, but loved the length and made me wonder about going even shorter. Tomorrow I try out a Lib Tech Glider 139. Does a light board for going fast down the mountain and playing in the park exist in a 135-138cm? I feel more comfortable on a lighter/shorter board probably from my experience surfing and skateboarding.
Also, what board size do you recommend at advanced level for the future? Length, profile, max width
Lastly, I just bought the Burton Escapade Step On bindings in small. All step on shoes come in 5,6,6.5… I wear a 5.5 in Burton. Do I get a 5 or 6? 6 is too big and 5 is ok unless I fall and my toes get jammed lol Is there a way to use inserts or something to eliminate the toe gap and heel lift or fall less and get the 5 :D?
Thanks soooooo much and happiest of new years to you!!
Hi Virginia
Thanks for your message.
Whoever put you on a 149 must’ve been on another planet! Glad they put you on a shorter board the next time.
Size-wise, I would say something around a 139/140 would be a good bet as an advanced rider as your “standard all-mountain size”. As a beginner I would size down a little from that. Something in the 135-138 range is a good bet. Also to note that a lot of boards, even around that 139/140 size would be on the wide side for your boots, so sizing down because of that is also a good idea, depending on the board.
I think you’d probably like:
– GNU Gloss 136 (226mm waist width)
Could also look at the Arbor Poparazzi Rocker or Ethos. Both 138 (231mm waist) – not quite as good a size, but would definitely work.
The 139 Glider could certainly work too. See how you feel on that one. It’s nice and narrow (226mm waist) and the length is doable for you.
The B Nice 139 (226mm waist), which you’ve already ridden by the sounds of it would also work.
Shame that Burton doesn’t do 5.5 in their Step Ons. If the 6 is too big, there’s not a lot you could do. Wear 2 pairs of socks (though generally I wouldn’t recommend it. You could get some j bars to stick in to try to help with heel hold too. Maybe there are inserts that would help their fit too, but I’m not sure. I think I would be leaning going with the 5s, if you can stomach it. You could maybe try heat molding them with toe caps on to see if it can give you a little more toe space.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
You are the best! Just placed an order for the Burton Ritual Step On size 5 so thank you!!
I will try and demo more boards in the ranges you recommended. I liked the Talent Scout and it felt so much lighter than the Glider even though it was only 1cm different. What boards do you recommend that are light or what word can I search to find the lightest constructed boards?
Also, I read all of your articles on camber styles and options and am still trying to figure out which I prefer. I know I like speed down the mountain with the skiers in my family and also want to be able to do jumps, rails, park. The 138 Talent Scout is sintered full camber and it felt controlled except I would slightly catch an edge going from toe side to heel side doing my S turns whereas heel to toe there is no issue. I am goofy footed so I figured it is due to technique. I tried the 139 Glider on a powder day and it felt loose and more challenging for me to edge in toe side even though the online description says the Glider is a beginner board and the Talent Scout is an intermediate board. The Glider is mild rocker on the ends and cambered in the middle. What camber profile do you recommend for fast progression on short radius turns edge to edge? Where it looks like a pendulum- the top half of the body is stable and just the lower legs swing effortlessly toe to heel.
Super appreciate your help! Thank you!!!
Hi Virginia
I’d say typically a board with rocker between the feet would be something that would help you turn in the style you’re describing. But you can certainly ride that way with any camber profile. The Glider is a hybrid rocker though (rocker between the feet, subtle camber underfoot and towards the tip and tail). But it is so rocker dominant, that it feels more like a “continuous rocker”. So definitely no surprise that you found it loose. That BTX profile is always loose feeling – and a softer flex makes it even more so. So you kind of had opposite ends of the spectrum with the Glider being practically all rocker and the Talent Scout all camber.
Given your experience with them, I think you prefer the feel of camber over rocker (if I have this correct). That’s not to say to go full camber necessarily, but I think a hybrid camber would work well – camber between the feet and under the feet with rocker towards tip and tail. The rocker in the tip and tail just helps to mellow things out and make the board less catchy and helps with float in powder – but overall the feel is close to that of a full camber board.
That said, also take into account that there is a spectrum – i.e. not all hybrid rocker or hybrid camber are the same. Some hybrid rockers are quite camber dominant (like C3 camber from GNU/Lib Tech, which behaves more like camber, even though there is some subtle rocker between the feet) and others (like the Glider) are more rocker dominant. Something like the Gloss has more camber than the Glider, but it’s still more rocker than it is camber. The B nice is BTX (i.e. rocker dominant) like the Glider.
The other thing with the Talent Scout is that it’s also quite stiff, which typically isn’t great for a beginner. But it sounds like you handled it fairly well. It’s also on the wider side for your boot size, but again, it sounds like you liked it regardless. But if you wanted to go with something that was more hybrid rocker and a little softer flexing to make it more forgiving and beginner friendly, you could look at:
– K2 Dreamsicle 138 (237mm waist) – again a little wide – and you rode the 149, but the 138 would be a completely different story. K2 boards I’ve weighed don’t tend to be super light, and it sounds like you’re looking for something light. One thing to also note about light – some boards are light on the scales but don’t feel as light on the snow – and visa versa – some aren’t all that light on the scales but feel lighter on snow. But more on light boards below
– K2 Lime Lite 138 (236mm waist)
– Ride Compact 138 (236mm waist) – like K2 boards, the Ride’s I’ve weighted haven’t been super light, but I haven’t weighed that many of them
– Rossignol Myth 139 (234mm waist)
– Salomon Lotus 135 (233mm waist) – or there’s also a 138 (235mm waist) – although there isn’t any real rocker tip and tail – it’s flat between the feet, camber underfoot and then flat again to tip and tail
– Salomon Gypsy 138 (238mm waist) – getting on the wide side for you, and not a beginner board – more intermediate, but less advanced than the Talent Scout, so I’d say it would be fine for you, based on your experience
– Capita Paradise 139 (229mm waist) – again not a strictly beginner board, but I think you’d be fine with it.
In terms of being light, Capita boards tend to be lightest that I weigh – so that, in addition to the narrower waist of the Paradise, make it appealing. Salomon boards also tend to be light. Burton’s higher end boards tend to be light – but there’s quite a bit of variance between their lower end and higher end. I haven’t weighed the Talent Scout, but I imagine it’s one of their lighter boards.
For reference, I weighed the Paradise 149 at 2340g (5lbs, 2oz), which translates to 15.92g/cm, which is a good bit lower than the 17.14g/kg average of all the women’s boards I’ve weighed (over a small sample of 21 different boards).
I haven’t weighed any Salomon boards personally, but they often publish the weight of their boards. I couldn’t find any recent stats, but looking back at 2018 models, looks like the Gypsy 147 came in at around 2360g – roughly 16.05g/cm, so nice and light (I picked the 147 as the closest equivalent of the 149 Paradise as a comparison. The Lotus a similar 16.09g/cm.
Hi again Nate!
I’ve been demo’ing boards and wanted to wait until I tried more before reaching out again lol the last time we messaged I had 6 days under my belt and now it is currently 16 days.
I decided to go shorter to see what my max and min in length are doing flat ground tricks and carving down the mountain. I demoed a 130 Arbor Rocker Rental, 135 Burton Kilroy, 140 Burton Yeasayer Flying V, 120 Nidecker Rocker Rental, 135 Salomon Lotus, and 140 Capita Birds of a Feather in addition to the previous 149 LOL!! K2 Dreamsicle, 139 GNU B Nice, 140 Nidecker Rocker Rental, 138 Burton Talent Scout, and 139 LibTech Glider.
After those demos, I realize that I prefer true twin vs directional twin because I like to ride switch. Ideally asymmetrical because of the natural way it feels transitioning to a turn. I really liked riding smaller on the 120 Nidecker because of the maneuverability for 180s, flat ground tricks, and turning on a dime. Going medium/fast down on the 120 was a bit bumpy but fine as long as I got low so I wouldn’t fly off the mountain lol On the flip side, I love the smoothness riding fast down the mountain on the Talent Scout. What I learned the hard way on full camber or stiff camber hybrid boards is you need to be “on” and your mind actively engaged the entire ride otherwise riding those boards the right way – committing to the turns and speed- when you catch an edge, the fall is brutal lol It had me looking into chest and knee pads haha! The ride was so smooth it was worth it though. Then, enter the Yeasayer Flying V! The profile was such a new feeling and incredible as it seemed impossible that day for me to catch an edge and super fun to spin around! That would be my perfect board if they added Magnetraction and made it available in 120-130 size. I also realized I can ride way smaller on a rocker board as long as my weight falls within the manufacture range. I’m not muscular enough to torque the board and break it like the average adult 🙂
I was able to find junior sized boards to fit my weight, boot size, and level. The quality is comparable to adult boards and the price reflects that on their higher end youth models (Capita, GNU, LibTech, Jones).
These are the boards that are available in my height, weight, and boot size with the style of riding I enjoy. Men totally have the advantage of choice in this industry:) I am still trying to narrow down my quiver:
ALL MOUNTAIN
138 Burton Talent Scout
PARK
125 GNU Recess (kids) or
130 GNU Young Money (youth) or
130 GNU Gloss
and
140 Burton Flying V
SNOW
130 Jones Mini Mind Expander (youth) or
137 Nitro Squash (youth) or
138 Lib Tech Orca (youth)
Can you let me know what your thoughts are? What other brands make profiles comparable to Burton’s Flying V? C2e? Are asymmetrical boards better for all mountain and less ideal for park? Are the boards I listed under park even good for park? LOL I was looking at the 136 Ride Twin Pig- it’s a volume shifted board so even though it’s a 136, do you think it’s too big for me? 5’, 100lbs, boot size 5 🙂 Oh and I have been using the Step Ons in the size 5 you recommended- sooo good!
Thank you for your guidance! You have been amazing on my snowboarding journey. I have read so many of your articles- thanks for your time and passion to create an endless library of resources for the community globally. I have followed your advice yielding awesome results- thank you for making this learning process for me efficient, enjoyable, and safe. I appreciate your responses soooo much!! THANK YOU!!!
Hi again!
I spent more time on the Glider today which is BTX and it didn’t do much for me so I’ve crossed off the GNU boards since they have same/similar profiles. This is what I have so far:
FREESTYLE/ALL MOUNTAIN
138 Burton Talent Scout
LAZY DAY
140 Burton Flying V
POWDER
130 Jones Mini Mind Expander (youth) or
137 Nitro Squash (youth) or
138 Lib Tech Orca (youth)
I’d love to ride a board with the Flying V smaller. Are there any other brands that are similar and come in a smaller size?
Thanks again!!
Hi Virginia
Thanks for the updates.
Firstly, I wouldn’t say that GNU boards have similar profiles – the B Nice and Glider have the same profile, but those are the most rocker dominant in their line. Their more camber dominant profiles (C2X, C3) are quite different. Even just C2 is quite different. But I wouldn’t say anything is the same as Flying V. Flying V has rocker between the feet, camber under the feet and then rocker again before the contact points. GNU/Lib Tech profiles don’t go bak to rocker before the contact points. Unfortunately don’t know any boards with the Flying V profiled smaller than the Yeasayer Flying V 140.
Most similar would probably be GNU/Lib Tech/Roxy C2 or C2X or Nitro’s Gullwing (but I think only the Mystique has it and smallest size is 142).
I find asymmetrical all good for park. I love it riding switch too. My park board (Never Summer Proto Slinger) is an asym as well as my all-mtn-freestyle board (YES Greats).
Yeah, I think the 136 Twin Pig is a little big overall.
Of those powder boards, the Mini Mind Expander will be the easiest ride – not only because it’s smaller, but would be in the same sizes. If you think you’d like stiff in your powder board, then the Orca is the stiffer option of those 3. The Squash Youth is the most camber dominant, but not as stiff as the Orca, by the looks of it.
Hi, Nate!
Thank you so much for writing this article — your knowledge describing why certain tech features are important for beginners is helping me make a much more informed board choice!
After reading your reviews, I wanted to get the Nitro Lectra, but it’s sold out everywhere online I can find… I’m a new rider (I rode two different days pre-quarantimes in 2019, but that’s it) and I’m looking for a board that will allow me to progress my skills and confidence quickly and also allow me to figure out what style of riding I’m most drawn to. I have the idea of backcountry riding in my dreams already (I’ve been into various wilderness sports for a while, and I’m super stoked on the idea of taking snowboarding into a more wilderness setting.) I’m totally fine with getting a board to learn on and hone my skills and then needing to sell it and get a different board as I progress and figure out what kind(s) of riding I want to be doing after a season or two.
I’m 5′ (152.4cm) and typically between 115-120lbs (52-55kg) and I wear a boot size 4 or 5. What boards and bindings would you recommend as the most similar to the Nitro Lectra, or the as the best for what I’m trying to do? Also, what is likely the best length of snowboard for me?
Thank you so much for your time!
Cheers,
Alice
Hi Alice
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of size, I would put you at around 142 for your “standard all-mountain” size, but as a beginner, I’d go a little shorter. More like 137-140, depending on the width. With size 4-5, I’d look for something as narrow as possible or if not, then size down a little to make up for the width. Given you’re looking for something versatile, I think the following would work well.
– K2 First Lite 138 (232mm waist). Still on the wider side for your boots, but given it’s at the shorter end of your length range, I think it’s doable.
– Arbor Ethos 138 (231mm waist). Ditto comments above
– GNU Gloss 136 (226mm waist) – it’s a little bit above a beginner board, but doable – and in that size, I think it would be fine for you as a beginner board.
– Salomon Lotus 135 (233mm waist) – it’s getting on the short side, but at that width (compared to your boot size), I think it would still work overall for your specs.
– Nitro Lectra 138 (226mm waist) – would have been a great size for you, IMO, but of course, you can’t find it. But the other options above would all work, IMO.
Hopefully you can find one of those
Hi Nate,
Really appreciate this info.
I live out west and will ride in NW Montana resorts. I took a handful of lessons with ~5-6 days on the mountain last winter. I link turns fine, but was riding in iffy spring conditions and stuck to greens. Plan to get out a lot more this winter.
I am just under 5’7″ and 125-130 lbs w/ 8 shoe size. I rented a 146 before, my instructor adjusted my bindings a couple times and told me he thought I might prefer 147 (I seemed more comfortable to him with a slightly wider than usual stance).
I found a great lightly used deal on the Rossignol Frenemy w/ Rossignol Diva bindings in a 147 length. I know this combo is getting intermediate, do you think it would be doable for me?
Hi Emily
Thanks for your message.
I wouldn’t base size on stance width – as you should be able to achieve your wider stance width, even on shorter boards – there’s usually a good range of stance widths. Unless you’re stance is super wide, it shouldn’t affect things too much (if it’s like way wider than reference, then it can chance the feel of the board for sure, but going too much longer just to get a wider stance width isn’t necessary). Some boards come with a wider reference for their length naturally anyway.
That said, I think as a high-end beginner, bordering on intermediate (at a guess?), I think something around 144 to 146 is your ideal range. So the Frenemy isn’t far outside of that, so it’s doable. However, the Diva bindings look to be a bit stiff for the Frenemy and for your level. Not sure why they’ve paired those together. I don’t test Rossignol bindings, so I can’t say for sure, but based on specs, they look a little stiff. Width-wise, the 147 Frenemy should be fine.
As it sounds like you’ve progressed fairly quickly (which getting a good number of lessons will certainly of helped!), I think you’re probably in that high end beginner, bordering on low-intermediate range, so you could potentially look at intermediate boards, like in our >>top 10 women’s intermediate snowboards. Note that the Frenemy was in that list last year, but they’re not making it this year. However, the Rossignol Airis is a very similar board and replaces the Frenemy.
Hope this helps
Thank you Nate!
So I wound up picking up a 2019 Never Summer Infinity 145cm I found in great shape… hoping this will last me a while without being too overwhelming (also figured I could also use a rental board board a few more times if needed).
Still looking for bindings – with the slightly stiffer board would I be best off picking from your list of top beginner bindings or should I ~match the flex between board and binding?
I have a pretty low budget for this setup and am keeping an eye out for resale/prior year bindings that will keep me this season at minimum (expecting to get out 10-12 times).
Do you have a couple different models you’d recommend I look out for? In addition to not being sure about flex, it gets confusing looking for prior year deals in top bindings you’ve highlighted as model names seem to fluctuate at times…
Would appreciate any other tips you have for me!
Emily
Hi Emily
I think that’s a great choice! Infinity isn’t too challenging a board – something that I highly recommend for high-end beginners, but should also stay with you a long way through your progression. And the size is just right too, IMO.
In terms of bindings, I would try to match the flex closely. But doesn’t have to be exact. The Infinity is something that we rate as 4/10 flex, so I’d say to try to get something 4/10 or 5/10 flex. As a beginner, I think 4/10 would be spot on – as it will match the board well and your level. But 5/10 is also doable.
True some models drop out altogether and some change names. I archive all my past season’s lists, so you can check those out too. When you go to this page, scroll to the bottom and you’ll see a link to the past season’s lists.
But some models, that are a good price (and should be even better in a past season model) and are in a good flex range include (all under $240 full price):
– Union Milan (4/10 flex)
– K2 Meridian (4/10 flex)
– Salomon Nova (4/10 flex)
– NOW Vetta (4/10 flex)
– Ride CL-4 (4/10 flex)
– Burton Scribe (5/10 flex)
– Union Juliet (5/10 flex)
– Arbor Sequoia (5/10 flex)
Tried to give a good number of options, to give you the best chance of finding something in a past season model. All of those had 2020 models. If you needed to go even cheaper, you’d likely have to go softer than 4/10 flex. Which is doable, if you really need to, but ideally the Infinity is best with 4/10 or 5/10 flex, IMO.
Wow, thank you so much! Exactly the kind of info I was hoping for and will really help me find a deal. Hope you have a great Thanksgiving!!
You’re very welcome Emily. Hope you have a great Thanksgiving too – and a great season!
Hi Nate!
I’ve been snowboarding for 2 seasons (3 days the first one and 4 days the second one) and I’d like to get my own board.
The boards I’ve rented in past seasons have been 140-142 cm, but I’ve read your opinions and I think a 138 board will fit me better. Am I right? I am 152 cm (5,0 ft), 50-51 Kg (110-112 lb) and I have women’s 38 (7) boots.
I’m looking for a begginer flat out rocker (or similar) snowboard. My options are:
Nitro Lectra 138 (2021)
Nidecker Elle 139
Rossignol Gala 142 (2021). There is no smaller size.
Rome Royal 138 (2021)
Burton Stylus 138
Burton Hideaway flat top 140 (2022). There is no smaller size.
I usually snowboard in hard snow and I’m starting to concatenate turns. This season I plan to snow 10+ days. I prioritize a fast progression in the safest way over buying an advanced board which last me for many years and get frustrated by falling a lot. However, I’d like to know your opinion about this, and know if you think these boards could last me at least 2 seasons.
Lots of considerations, not a native English speaker. I hope I have explained myself.
Thank you very much for your reviews and all your kind replies!
Hi Celia
Thanks for your message – and you explained yourself very well.
Size-wise, I think something around 138 is a good bet. And no more than 140 certainly, IMO.
So, I would be leaning Lectra 138. I think that’s the best bet for what you’re describing and in a good size. The Nidecker Elle and looks good on paper. I am beginner to test Nidecker this winter, but haven’t in the past. On paper, the Elle looks like a good fit to what you’re describing, your level, your specs etc. Rome Royal may also be suitable, though it’s on the wider side for 7s, IMO.
The Gala a little too long, IMO.
The Stylus 138 and Hideaway 140 could certainly work, but Stylus bordering on being a little wide and Hideaway right at that max length.
I would say something like this could last you 2 seasons of progression for sure, if you’re doing around 10 days per season. And yeah, I think the best way to go is fast progression and build confidence, then upgrade, rather than buying a board that’s too advanced and developing low confidence and poor technique.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate! Thank you for your message
I will definitely go for the Nitro Lectra, if I can find the past season model. If not, I will probably go for the Nidecker Elle.
I have read a lot about snowboards, but I have no idea about bindings. I have read your “Top Women’s Bindings” post, but I’m a bit lost and I’d like to ask you for some bindings models for this specific snowboard.
What would be the features I should take into account in order to decide which ones to buy?
Thanks!
Hi Celia
To match the Lectra (or Elle), your specs and your current level of riding, I’d be looking at something around 3/10 to 4/10 flex. Matching the flex is the most important thing you want to look at, at this stage in my opinion, as well as comfort.
Something like the Union Milan, Salomon Nova, K2 Meridian, Union Rosa or Arbor Acacia would work well, IMO.
Than you very much, Nate. Finally, I’m going to buy the Nidecker Elle! I hope not to be wrong.
I like the Union Rosa and Milan bindings, but I was wondering what is your opinion about the Nidecker Muon X. They match the board but they seem to be worse than the Union in terms of quality and specs.
And the Union Milan seem to be a bit more advanced than the others, so I might lean towards the Union Rosa.
What do you think?
Sorry, the Nidecker Muon W
Hi Celia
I don’t have any experience with Nidecker bindings (yet), unfortunately, so not sure what they would be like. On paper they look like they would work, but not really sure.
Yeah Milan is a little step up, but still beginner friendly for sure. Just a higher quality and something that’s really good for freestyle. But still works well as a beginner binding, IMO. The Rosa is a step down, but it’s also super friendly to ride (and friendly on the bank account!). And whilst they’re not up to the quality of other Union bindings, they’re still decent for the price you pay.
Hi Nate, thanks for being so responsive with everyone! Hoping to buy my first board, but overwhelmed by the choices. I have 2 trips planned for this season already, but this will be my third time snowboarding ever. I mostly see myself going down groomers, looking to just get something to build my confidence with turns (I struggle on toe side), but also don’t want to have to buy another board for awhile. I got the Burton limelight boa boots in a size 9. I am 5’6″, 130-135 lb. I was thinking about 144-145cm.
So far I have been looking at the following:
-GNU chromatic
-Arbor ethos
-Burton Yeasayer
-Salomon Wonder
What would you recommend?
Thanks!
Lejla
HI Lejla
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, length-wise, I agree that something around 144/145 would be a good length for you. Width-wise, I’d say look at something with a waist width in the 236mm to 242mm range.
The likes of the GNU Chromatic and Arbor Ethos are going to be the easiest to ride and likely provide the fastest progression, but will also something that you would want to upgrade from sooner, if you progressed quite quickly.
The Yeasayer (were you thinking Flying V or Flat Top?) and Salomon Wonder (or Salomon Gypsy is another that falls into the same category) are boards that will have a bit of a steeper learning curve, but that you could keep for longer – in the case of the Wonder/Gypsy, something you could keep indefinitely, depending on how you riding progressed. Still nothing that are crazy difficult to ride or anything, so still beginner friendly-ish. I’d say if you feel like you’re a high-end beginner bordering on low intermediate, then they could work.
Also good for low end intermediate/high beginner:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
Let me know what you’re thinking you’ll go with and I’d be happy to give you my opinion on the best size for that specific board.
Hope this helps
After much deliberation, I’m going to go with the arbor ethos. I like the company and if I end up needing a new board in a couple of years, I’ll have a better sense of what I need at that point. I want to build confidence and improve my skills for now. What size specifically and bindings do you recommend?
Hi Lejla
Good call, IMO. Build that confidence now and, like you say, you’ll get a feel for what you’ll want out of your next board.
Size-wise for the Ethos, I would go 144. I think that would be just right. Width-wise it’s narrower at the waist than what we discussed, but Arbor boards are wider at the inserts (where your boots will actually be) than the waist width suggests, so I think the width will be perfectly fine.
Thanks so much nate for letting me cognitively offload this decision to you! It can be tough with so many options, but I feel like I’m making the right choice now.
You’re very welcome Lejla. Hope you have an awesome season! If you think of it at the time let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow.
Hi Nate, really helpful reviews you have here! I’m looking at getting my first board this off-season (New Zealand) and am struggling to find one that’s appropriate for me. I’m a beginner who is still gaining confidence on the mountain so looking for something that will be good for starting out. The boards I’ve rented in past seasons have been 152cm (for reference I am 5’7 and 110lbs, women’s 8 boots), what size would you suggest I go with as I’m a little confused when it comes to size charts given my height/weight.
Any help on the topic would be greatly appreciated! It’s very overwhelming with so many options out there, it’s hard to know what to commit to! Thank you
Hi Lisa
Thanks for your message.
And I’m glad you did. Sounds like you’re another that’s been sized only (or at least predominantly) taking height into account (which is often the case with rentals, as it’s the fastest way to choose a size). I could be wrong, but it certainly looks that way, because 152 is way too big, IMO, for your specs. No guarantees, but I suspect you’re going to find your confidence a lot quicker if you get on a properly sized board for your specs.
I’d say closer to 144, even as amore advanced rider. As a beginner, I would be looking in the 139 to 141 length, ideally. However, I like to take everything into account, and given that you’ve started out riding a 152, you can go up a little since that’s what your body has tried (probably difficultly) to adapt to. So I’d look in the 141-144 size-range.
So long as you find something with an appropriate beginner flex and a board that’s easy enough to turn without catching an edge, and you get it in that size range, you’re going to find things much easier, IMO.
So anything from this list in that size range.
Width-wise, with 8s, you should be good with most boards in that length range. But if you want to be on the safe side, probably go at least 231mm in terms of waist width – but no more than around 241mm. But if you find something and you’re not sure if it’s an appropriate width, let me know and I’d be happy to give my opinion. Also, if you find a board that you suspect is beginner appropriate in that size range, that’s not on this list, let me know and I can let you know if I think it’s appropriate or not.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate, I’m moving south in a year so I want to use the last winter left in Michigan to learn how to snowboard. I’ve only been on the slopes a few times, so I’m very much a beginner.
I am 5’3″, 112lbs, size 8.5 shoes but my 8.5 snowboard boots are too small (I’ll probably buy 9s). I definitely want to try to buy last year’s gear, but from reading some of your comments here I’m worried most of the boards might be too narrow for me.
Do you know which 2021 boards would come in the right width for me?
Hi Justyna
Thanks for your message.
With 9s, if you wanted to be really safe, go with something 240mm+ – but no more than 250mm and only that wide, if you were riding with a straight back binding angle. Likely you would get away with narrower than that, particularly if you’re riding with more angle on the back foot as most do. E.g. if you’re riding +15/-15, then you could get away with as narrow as 232mm.
Length-wise, I’d say something around 138-140, as a beginner, is a good way to go. Certainly limits the options, if you want to go with at least 240mm, but there are some options:
– Burton Stylus 138 (240mm waist)
– Rossignol Meraki 140 (240mm waist)
– Burton Yeasayer (Flat Top or Flying V) 140 (240mm waist) – not complete beginner, but high end beginner appropriate.
But if you were to drop that width to 235mm, then you could also add these to the list, to give you more options:
– Burton Hideaway 140
– K2 Dreamsicle 138
– Ride Compact 138
– Salomon Lotus 138
– Salomon Oh Yeah 138
Not sure about availability in 2021 models, but hopefully with more options, you can find one of those in a 2021.
Also, keep in mind that different brands of boots fit differently. Your 8.5 might be too small in the brand your currently riding, but another brand’s 8.5 might actually fit fine. If you can at all try on, then that’s the best way to go, of course, but if you can’t try before you buy, the following should give you some idea of which brands tend to fit true to size or run small or large.
>>Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands
Hope this helps
Thanks, Nate, for providing all the details! This was very helpful! I haven’t been able to find any of these boards in the 2021 models, but I will keep an eye out for them.
Thanks, again, for your help!
You’re very welcome Justyna. Let me know how you get on.
Hi Nate,
Really enjoy reading your reviews and guides, been very helpful in this minefield of snowboards and more….
I’m a beginner with some limited time on the snow. Looking for a beginner/intermediate all mountain board. After looking, I’m now so confused due to the vast amount of choice. Any help or advice will be appreciated. I live in Austria.
I’m a tall woman so I have been looking at some men’s boards due to my height and weight as not many women’s boards for my height. I’ve been looking at 155 – 157cm
My Specs:
150lbs (68kg)
5.10″ (180cm)
Shoe (US 9/EU 40)
I’ve looked at the GNU Money 2021, Capita Outerspace Living and others but I just cannot decide what would be good for me and bindings to suit (Thought of Union Rosa or Ride CL-3/4)
Any Suggestions?
Keep up the excellent website 🙂
Cheers
Rachel
Hi Rachel
Thanks for your message.
IMO 155-157 is too big for you. I would say more like 153, even at an advanced level – and as a beginner/intermediate rider, I would be looking at something more like 149-151. But certainly no more than 153. And for US Women’s 9/EU 40 the width should be fine in plenty of women’s boards at that length. SO, you could go men’s, if you wanted but you’ve certainly got the option for some women’s boards too. If you do go men’s I certainly wouldn’t go as long as 155-157 and I would watch for width – a lot will be too wide.
The Outerspace Living is one men’s board that you could look at though – I think the 150 would be a great size for you in that board, both in terms of width and length, so that’s certainly a possibility. The Money, I think the 152 would be too big in terms of length and width combined, so the 148 would be the better bet. That would be a possibility, but I like the 150 OSL in terms of size for you better.
For some good women’s options I would look at:
– GNU Chromatic 149 or 152
– Salomon Wonder 152
– YES Emoticon 149 or 152
– YES Hello 149 or 152
– Rossignol Airis 152 (or Rossignol Frenemy 150 (if you can find a 2021 model)
Hope this helps
Never Summer Infinity would also be a great option in 151, but probably a bit too narrow, IMO.
Hi Nate,
Firstly thank you for the quick reply and your honest opinion about the right size board for me. Show’s, don’t always believe sales people, as they suggested 155…
I’m definitely like the look of the Yes Hello 152 as it’s the baby sister of Hel Yes and the Soloman Wonder 152. I also found a deal on a Rossignol Frenemy 150 with Voodoo S/M bindings set +-400 euro’s
I’m going to stay away from men’s boards as you’ve now giving me the correct size.
So it’s between those three but if you have any other suggestions as I’m looking for a good resort but all mountain board to explore the powder more. Not to worried about Park as it’s not my thing, I love to explore the mountains…
Rachel
Hi Rachel
Those 3 are all suited to what you’re describing. None of them are what I would call amazing powder boards – but above average in powder, for sure. If you’re riding in waist deep powder, they’ll certainly require a bit more work to keep the nose above the snow than something that’s more powder specialist, but would still be fine – and work well in shallower powder. But also a good balance between powder and resort riding.
A lot of sales people (but certainly not all) and rental places still just go predominantly on height, just because it’s easier and faster – but definitely not as accurate.
Hi Nate,
Not sure if you got my previous response 🙂
Thank you o much for the advice and help and the selection of boards to look at. Great selection.
What do you think of the Jones Dream Catcher 151/154
Hi Rachel
Yes, got your other message – answered above (comments just need to be moderated before being published, so that’s why it won’t have shown up straight away).
The Dream Catcher is a little step up in terms of ability level, which is why I didn’t consider it before. But in saying that it’s still intermediate friendly, so if you felt you were ready for a slightly bigger step up, it’s certainly doable. It would give you a little better powder performance than the other 3 as well.
Size-wise, usually I’d say go 151, but in the case of the Dream Catcher, 154 is an option. It’s a board that feels smaller than it’s overall length. That’s because there’s overall less effective edge in comparison to overall length compared to the average board. For example, the effective edge on the Dream Catcher 154 is the same as what it is on the 152 YES Hello, and not much longer the 152 Wonder and 150 Frenemy. The 151 DC has a smaller effective edge than all of the 152 YES Hello, 150 Frenemy and 152 Wonder. So in this case, I don’t think the 151 would be too small. But think of it more like deciding between a 149 and a 152, rather than 151 and 154, if that makes sense.
Hi Nate,
Just a quick thank you for all the advice, it was extremely helpful in this minefield of snowboarding gear.
I decided on the end to purchase a Jones Dreamcatcher 154. I know it’s slightly more advanced but I’m a quicker learner and I could use it for a few good seasons.
Keep up the excellent reviews and help. We all appreciate it.
Hi Rachel
You’re very welcome. And thanks for the update. If you think of it at the time, I’d love to hear what you think, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow.
Hi Nate,
I’m a beginner snowboarder looking to buy my first snowboard. Hoping to move from greens to blues in the upcoming season. I’m thinking of pre-ordering the K2 First Lite 2022 but I’m not sure if I should go with the 146 or 150 (or maybe I should go with a completely different board?) My first season I rode a used 150 intermediate Ride board. I’m also looking at the Libtech Glider 147, I’m open to any brand/price.
height 5’9”
weight 137 lbs
Thank you so much for any help and thank you for the post!
Hi Tess
Thanks for your message.
For the First Lite I would be leaning towards the 146. The 150 is doable, but I think it’s a size that would be more suitable for you as a more advanced rider. The Glider in 147 is also a good option. If you were wanting to look at something more intermediate, then you could also check out:
>>Top 10 Intermediate Snowboards
But those 2 would be perfectly suitable. In general, I would look at something around that 146-148 range.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate — Thanks so much for the reviews and guidance on your site. I’m buying my girlfriend a setup in the offseason and need help on a direction to go.
She is 5’7″ 130-135lbs and size 8/8.5 boots.
She just learned how to link her turns and will be moving from greens to blues next season (hopefully). Looking for a more all-mountain/freeride focused board + what size to get here?
The size charts from the manufactures put her anywhere from 148-151cm but with your rec of sizing down, she should be more like 146cm maybe? Is 146cm ok even if they say the max weight of 130 and she’s 135?
Looking for something she can progress on quickly but will also last her into the lower intermediate phase for an extra year or so… if you have more recs please send em over:)
Current boards in consideration:
Rossi Gala ~146 or 150~
Salomon Lotus ~146 or 151~
Ride Compact ~146 or 150~
K2 Bright Lite ~146 or 149~ (if I can find one)
Thanks so much!
Hi Hayden
Thanks for your message (I got both messages, they just had to be moderated first – deleted the other one, just for tidiness)
Size-wise, I think around 146 is the best option. As a more advanced rider, I would say 148/149, but for now 145/146 is a better way to go. I wouldn’t worry too much about her being on the upper limit of the weight recommendations for some boards in that size range.
The Gala is potentially borderline too narrow for 8.5s. I’d say no problem with 8s and probably fine for 8.5s too, but just on the borderline.
Something like the Bright Lite is one that is a little better for lasting longer through your girlfriend’s progression but being just a little bit of a steeper learning curve, versus something like the First Lite. Note that the Bright Lite changed it’s name to the Dreamsicle for the 2021 model. So the last Bright Lite’s were 2020 models – which may explain why you’re having difficulty finding one. Though I’m not sure what the availability of the Dreamsicle is currently. Gala and First Lite probably 2 that are more beginner, beginner, and less suitable for intermediate riders. Still doable though.
Some other options that would fit well, IMO, taking into account:
– YES Emoticon (though might be borderline too freestyle oriented for what you’re looking for)
– GNU Chromatic
– Arbor Poporazzi Rocker (also potentially too borderline freestyle oriented)
– Never Summer Infinity (borderline too advanced, but would probably be fine, a good high-end beginner/low intermediate option)
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hey Nate,
I am looking to get my wife a board. She has been out about 6 times and is starting to get the hang of turning and stopping though still catching edges. I like the description of the YES emoticon and the Rossignol Gala. I’d love to go Capita Paradise but it is probably too expensive and advanced to go all in with that. I think the rocker/camber or camber/rockers are going to be better then the full rocker rentals she has been on (she has a problem with over turning/ not having much control over direction and generally spinning), so all these would accomplish that.
My question is sizing. She is 5′ 5″, 7.5 boot, 135 – 150 lbs depending on fitness level and diet. Height to her chin/nose is 143 cm to 146 cm. According the size charts they say she should be on something 149 cm to 152 cm, but your recommendations seem to go much shorter than that. So would you recommend 143, 146, or 149?
Follow up question. It says online women’s flex should be less stiff than men’s. I personally like 5/10 so I was thinking the 3/10 (Rossignol Gala) or 4/10 (YES emoticon) for her would be on point. Do you think 4/10 would be too stiff or just right? I don’t foresee her doing any park, for a really long time at least, but she has big dreams that I think align more with all mountain freestyle. And would you recommend the higher flex on matching boots and bindings as well? Would 5 or 6 throw off her feel, should match with 3 or 4, or does it even matter?
Thanks a lot!
Hi Neal
Thanks for your messages (got the other one too, just had to be moderated – deleted the other one as this one has all the info in it).
Emoticon and Gala are solid choices, IMO. The Emoticon is just that little bit more advanced, but still good for a beginner, IMO – but maybe just that slight bit steeper of a learning curve versus something like the Gala.
Size-wise, based on 140 lbs, I would say around 149 would be a good advanced level size. But as a beginner, sizing down is a good idea, so I would look at something in the 144-146 range. So, for both boards, I think 146 would be the best size. Width-wise both should work well with 7.5 boots.
For bindings and boots, I would try to match that flex of the board or go a little stiffer than board. But in her case, as a beginner, I would still keep to 4/10 flex or less. So, with the Emoticon you could match it with 5/10 flex boots and bindings, or 4/10, but in this case I’d stick to 4/10 where possible. For the Gala, anything 3/10 or 4/10.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I liked your review a lot, you really know your stuff! I’m thinking about buying my first board. I don’t go snowboarding too often, maybe 7-10 days per season. I’ve done 3 seasons now but I guess it can count as 1 since I haven’t snowboarded more than 7 days per season. I’ve always rented and am still a beginner struggling with my turns and getting scared when I go too fast. I do want to invest in a board to get more confident and progress but I’m not quite sure which board to go for.
I’m 158 cm and 48 kg (or 106 lbs)
I have thirtytwo w’s stw boa shoes in size 6.5
I go snowboarding in Europe so we have different conditions, both powder and ice.
I was thinking about getting Nitro Lectra 142 but I’m not quite sure if the size is right for me or should I go for something shorter. I like the design and the board is available in the store near me in this size which is why I’m leaning toward it. Was also looking at Rossignol Gala 142 but price wise Nitro is winning. In general, I want a board that will help me to finally feel confident and enjoy the ride but also will last me a few seasons since I don’t snowboard a ton.
If you have any other suggestions I would really appreciate them!
Thanks,
Nat
Hi Nat
Thanks for your message.
I think the 138 Lectra is probably more ideal for you, especially for right not as your progressing out of the beginner phase. 142 is on the big side for you, IMO, but it’s doable. I don’t think it will feel like a tank for you, but it’s on the big end of your range, IMO, and will be a little harder to ride and likely a slightly slower progression.
Ideally, I would be looking at something 136-139 in terms of length, for your specs/ability. 142 isn’t gigantic but just outside that ideal range, IMO.
Not sure what you have available to you, but something like the GNU Chromatic 140, GNU Gloss 136 (high-end beginner/early intermediate but at that size I don’t think you’d have any issues with it), Arbor Poparazzi Rocker 138, Arbor Ethos 138, Salomon Lotus 138, just looking at all-mountain/all-mountain-freestyle options in that size range, that are good in icy conditions.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I really appreciated reading your reviews, your clear and thoughtful explanations. I have an unusual body type, and I wondered if you’d be able to offer some board sizing advice. I live in Alberta, doing most of my boarding in the rockies. I’m a beginner, getting the hang of connecting turns and gaining confidence on beginner and intermediate slopes. I’m currently riding a beat up 135cm Jr. board that I purchased second-hand from a board rental shop at one of the resorts, and am looking to upgrade.
I’m an adult (37 yo)
I am 145cm tall (4’9”)
My height at my nose is 133cm
I weigh 125-128 lbs. (56.7-58 kg)
Shoe size: ladies 5 (US)/mens 3; I have second-hand K2 boys boots
I have new Salomon Rhythm bindings
I’m short but heavy! I was told by someone at a ski shop that the 138 Nitro Lectra will be too flexy for my weight and I’ll slide out, but I’m nervous to go longer, given my height. I was recommended the Jr. board, Nitro Future Team in 138. I’m not attached to any particular brand, I want the best thing for me. I would appreciate any advice you may have! Thanks!
Eva
Hi Eva
Thanks for your message.
Length-wise, for your specs, as a beginner, anything 138-140 is a good length range to look at, IMO. I don’t think you’d have too many issues at your weight on the 138 Lectra. And the Future Team doesn’t look to be any stiffer flexing than the Lectra. Between those two options, I would go Lectra, because it’s narrower than the Future Team. With size 5 boots, you’ll want to go narrower than than something like the Future Team. If you were to go as wide as that, I think you’d want to size down more, to make up for that extra width.
In terms of narrow options, the GNU B-Nice 139 is also a good choice – and good for beginners. Or the GNU Velvet. It’s a little more advanced, but if you’re a high-end beginner, it should still work, just with a bit of a steeper learning curve. There’s also the Roxy Sugar Banana. Very beginner, but also a nice narrow waist. Or the Lib Tech Glider 139. Certainly more options if you wanted to go a little wider, but I would try to stay as narrow as possible, with 5s.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I was wondering if you’d be able to give me some advise on what board would be best for me. I am a beginner but have already been pretty successful at linking turns with the rental boards and am feeling really good and confident in my progress so far. So, I am looking to get my first board but am not sure which one would be good for me. I am 5 feet tall, about 100 pounds, and my shoe size is a US female 5.5-6 depending on the boot. I know I need a board with a smaller waist to accommodate my small feet, but don’t really want to get a kids board either. I also ride mostly on the icy east coast. Any insight would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge with all of us!
Hi Melissa
Thanks for your message.
Definitely agree that you want to go quite narrow. But there are definitely some narrower women’s options and you shouldn’t need to go to kids boards. I would try to go no wider than 232mm at the waist.
In terms of length, I think 139 absolute maximum. But if you can go shorter, I think 136-138 is a good range. You could even go a little shorter than that, but there aren’t really any women’s options I know of that are shorter than 136.
The following fit that range for size, and are also good in icy conditions and good for beginners:
– GNU Gloss 136 (226mm waist)
– GNU B-Nice 139 (226mm waist)
– Arbor Ethos 138 (231mm waist)
– Arbor Poparazzi Rocker 138 (231mm waist)
– Lib Tech Glider 139 (226mm waist)
– Roxy Sugar Banana 138 (226mm waist)
I would be leaning GNU Gloss or Roxy Sugar Banana, just because I think the sizing is the best for you. The Sugar Banana is a more pure beginner board, with the Gloss being a little step up. Still beginner friendly, but more high-end beginner – so if you feel your there, that might be a good option as it would last you further through your progression.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I’m new to posting so forgive me if I did it in the wrong place. I’m new to snowboarding, I’m 5’6’’ approximately 140lbs, and 8-8.5 shoe size. I’m looking at the Nitro Lectra but concerned if it’s too narrow for me? Also, in terms of length, what would you recommend? I’ll be happy to pick your brain on top options for me. Thanks so much for your time!
Hi Maria
Thanks for your message.
I think the 146 would be your best size in the Lectra and in that size, I think the width would be fine. Certainly if you end up in 8 snowboard boots. Borderline for 8.5s, but I think you would still likely be fine. But if you’re worried about it and would like other options, let me know and I would be happy to suggest some.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thank you so much, Nate!
I read snowboarding boots should be about 1/2 size below what you usually wear and it takes a couple of weeks to break them in. Do you think I should go with the 8 then? I borrowed an 8.5 from a friend and they fit well but I am also not sure what I am looking for in the fit. I feel like most athletic shoes I have are 8 but I like more room in normal boots so tend to buy 8.5, depending on brand of course. Also, do you think the union bindings would be a good choice?
Thanks again- I really appreciate your time and help!
Maria
Hi Maria
If you wear 8 in athletic shoes, then you’ll likely be an 8 in snowboard boots, but not necessarily. It somewhat depends on the brand too. If you’re unable to try on, I would check out the following to see what might fit you best.
Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands
If you can try on, then you want the fit to be so that your toes are just touching the end when standing. There shouldn’t be any big pressure there and certainly shouldn’t have to curl your toes, but just brushing is perfect. They will break in over time, but that’s a pretty good bet to be a good size to start out and won’t pack out too much after breaking in. If you try an 8.5 and feel like your toes aren’t brushing and then in the 8 your toes are crushed, then I would still go with the 8.5 – your toes would be very close to brushing, if you’re toes are being crushed in the 8, if that makes sense.
For stiffer boots it can certainly take a good while to break them in, but for softer boots, which I would recommend as a beginner, they will break in much quicker. They should feel pretty decent from day 1 and just a few days of riding to have them broken in.
The Union Rosa would be a great match for the Lectra – and a great beginner’s option too.
Nate, I forgot to ask for a couple more options you recommend for me if I can’t get my hands on a Nitro Lectra (which is looking pretty bad).
Thanks again for everything,
Maria
Hi Maria
If you’re not sure how you think you’re riding style will progress, then going for something all-mountain is a good idea – something that’s decent at everything. E.g. if you’re not sure if you’ll do any freestyle riding in the future, or whether or not you’ll ride powder etc. All-mountain-freestyle also pretty good bet, if you don’t think you’ll see much powder.
If you’re already interested in riding freestyle (jumps, tricks etc), then going for a freestyle board is a good bet. You can still learn all the basic technique on a board like that, and then it will be a good board to learn freestyle on, once you’ve mastered some basics. Then if you need a more advanced all-mountain board sometime down the line, you can either sell it or keep it as your dedicated freestyle/park board.
Most beginners opt for something all-mountain or all-mountain-freestyle, but some kind of know what interests them already and then you can go for a more specific option.
Each board on this list has the style labelled.
In terms of size, I would be looking at anything between 144 and 147.
Thank you so much, Nate! This information has been all so helpful. Lastly, if I do invest in the Lectra and the Rosa bindings, do you think they will be good for a couple of years? Or if I progress quickly I’d have to switch the board and/or bindings? Also saw the Ethos at the store, but the guy helping me out said that the Ethos is good to start but once you reach a certain point, I’d have to switch to a new board to keep progressing. Just wanted your input! Thanks so much again,
María
Hi Maria
I think it depends on how often you’ll be riding. If you’re going up like 20+ days, then you’ll probably want to upgrade by the end of the season or within a season, if you progress quickly. If you’re only going up a handful of times each season, then I would say it’s good for a couple of years.
Hi Nate!
Wow, you sure know your stuff! I really like all your explanations here.
So, I’ll go ahead and ask for some advice 🙂
I am a beginner snowboarder, still at the level of taking some “shy” turns, and I am quite hung up on the Nitro Lectra. It seems to me that Nitros are a bit narrower than other brands, so I am not sure which size to choose. (Also, is this only my rookie observation, or are they indeed narrower? Any idea why is that so?)
My measurements:
Weight: 54kg (119lbs)
Height: 163cm (5’3)
Boot Size: 7 (Burton Limelight BOA)
I was thinking about choosing Nitro Lectra 142, but I am wondering if that is too narrow for me? Somehow, 146 seems a bit too long, considering that up until now I’ve been riding a Burton Ltr 140.
Thanks, looking forward to your reply!
Iulia
Hi Iulia
Thanks for your message.
In terms of length, I think anything 140-142 is a good range for you to look at as a beginner, so I agree that 146 would be too long.
The Lectra is a little narrower than the average I would say, but there are other options that are similarly narrower. With Burton 7s, I don’t think you would have any issues on the 142 Lectra in terms of width.
So I would go 142 for the Lectra.
Hope this helps
Hi- thanks for your info. Very helpful for new beginner. I tried out snowboarding once with rental requirement and felt the equipments were not perfect for my needs and always thought I can pick it up faster if I have the right tools. I am 4 11 in height, 122 lbs, shoe size 6 (8.5 inches foot measurement). I ordered k2 first lite 138cm, small union Rosa binding, and vans high standard og boot size 6. Will you say they are good combo or I need to make any adjustments?
Hi ADub
Thanks for your message.
I think that’s a really good beginner setup and should help you to progress nice and quickly, IMO. Seems like you’ve done your research. The gear choices and sizing and everything looks spot on to me.
Height 68 inches! I think I wrote 60inches
Hi Jeanette
Thanks for your message.
Firstly in terms of size, I think something 146-148 is a good range to look at for your specs/level.
I would say the Cadence is more of an intermediate level and up board, but in the Rocker version, it would be doable as a beginner board. Probably a bit steeper of a learning curve than the boards on this list, but doable. If you went Cadence, I would go 147 Cadence Rocker, and I think that would be doable, even if a little steeper of a learning curve – though it sounds like you picked things up quickly, so you’ll probably be OK on it, I think.
Hope this helps
So I really like the Arbor brand and their business motto. When I looked at their boards, I fell in love with the Cadence design. I am 68inches at 145lbs and rented a 8 boot. I just went for the first time yesterday. I used my friends board with camber, little flex and short for me. I was picking up connecting turns at the end of the day. Do you recommend either the arbor camber or rocker for a beginner? And what size would you recommend. They have some oddities. 148 or 152 for camber and 147 or 151 for the rocker. Also, do you think the Arbor Cadence is too advanced of a board to start?
Hi Nate,
I am a beginner rider. I am learning to link the turns now. I just bought the Burton Ritual snowboard boots in size 8 (it’s on sale) and now I looking for a beginner board. I’m debating between Arbor Ethos(141 or 144), Salmon Lotus(142cm) and YES Emoticon(143cm). In your opinion, what is the best board for me? I might go with Burton citizen binding or Arbor Acacia binding.
weight: 140 lb
height: 165cm
boot size: 8
Thank you so much & have a wonderful holiday.
Hi Grace
They would all do a good job. I think I would be leaning Ethos 144 or Emoticon 143, just because their better in terms of sizing, IMO.
Hope you have a great holiday too!
Hi Nate. I am a first time beginner in indiana. I will be mostly boarding on man made snow. I am looking into the k2 lite board but not sure about size. I also am looking into the vans hi standard og boots after reading your top 5 recommended womens boots.
I am 5’3 130lbs and wearing a size 6.5 in boots.
Will this board work for the width? And if so what bindings would you recommend?
Hi Lexi
Thanks for your message.
Generally speaking I would say 141-143 for you, lengthwise, so the 142 First Lite would be spot on, IMO. Width-wise is a good match as well.
The Vans Hi-Standard OG also a really good choice, IMO, assuming the fit is good for your feet.
For bindings, I would check out:
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
I am a beginner who bought a pass this year for big bear. I will be mostly riding bear mountain and snow summit in California. I know how to skateboard i’d say ok and pretty athletic but this is my first time ever snowboarding. Based on your recommendations I am very interested in the K2 First Lite 142 paired with union rosa bindings.
I am 5’4
120lbs
Size 8
I was wondering what your thoughts on this setup would be? Also what size bindings! Any other board recommendations would be great too. I just want the overall best board that can last me a couple of seasons as I progress. I can’t get my hands on a lectra
Hi Lizzy
Thanks for your message.
I think that setup would work really well for you and the sizing should be good too. In terms of binding size, if you’re going with the Rosa (which is a great beginner option), you should get the Medium (M).
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate!
What are your thoughts with the YES Emoticon as well? Now I’m deciding really between those 2 boards. K2 first lite and YES emoticon. Big bear can be icy sometimes and overall unpredictable snow conditions. What are the differences between these 2 boards?
Hi Lizzy
The Emoticon is better for hard/icy conditions, IMO.
The Emoticon is a little stiffer and just a little harder to turn, but a little more stable than the First Lite. It’s a small step up in terms of ability. It’s still certainly beginner friendly, but just ever so slightly harder to lean on. If you’re quite athletic though, I don’t think you would have any issues learning on it.
Thanks so much Nate for all the feedback. I think I’ll stick to the K2 first lite for the safe side and I’ll just have to upgrade in the future once my abilities are developed!
You’re very welcome Lizzy. If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow. Happy riding!
Hi Nate!
I am a brand new beginner looking forward to this season. I’m 5’4 115-120lbs. Wondering what board you think would be best and what size? I can’t get my hands on a nitro lectra. So I was wondering what you think would be best! I’m a size 8 in shoes.
Hi Kimberley
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, as a beginner I would be looking at something around 139-141 for your specs. In terms of the board, something all-mountain is a good way to go, if you’re not sure what your style is going to be – or all-mountain-freestyle which are also pretty versatile. So something like the Rossi Gala, Arbor Ethos, K2 First Lite, YES Emoticon or GNU Chromatic.
Hope this helps
Appreciate the feedback Nate. I went and got fitted some boots actually and turns out I’m a 8.5 in the Burton Mint Boas. Does this change at all the size of the board you’d recommend? I asked the board shop sales employee what size they thought board id need and they said probably a 145 cm. Please advise! I hope you had a great holiday.
Hi Kimberley
In terms of length, I think you could eventually go up to something like a 145, as an advanced rider, depending on the style of riding you adapt – like if you end liking to ride fast or ride a lot of deep powder. But for now it would be too long, IMO.
In terms of width, it really depends on the particular board. For some boards you might need to go longer to get something wide enough, but in that case I just wouldn’t go with that particular board – so you can something with the right length and width.
For the boards mentioned, with 8.5s, the Gala, Ethos and First Lite you’d probably be fine width-wise on the 8.5s, particularly if you’re riding with binding angles like +15/-15, but if you wanted to play it safe, they might be pushing it a little narrow. The 143 Emoticon and Chromatic would be fine width-wise for you, IMO. A little longer than ideal, but better than going to 145, IMO. But yeah, I don’t think you’d have issues with the width of the others, but if you were concerned then those other 2 in 143 would definitely work.
Certainly other options that would have the right dimensions to work in smaller lengths. I wouldn’t compromise going that long just to get the right width, when there are plenty of options that will be wider in that 139-142 length range. Certainly a lot of the freestyle options on this list would be wide enough too.
Ok sweet! Yeah I thought 145 cm would of been too long as well. So right now I’m narrowing it down to Heartbreaker 139 2019/2020 or GNU Chromatic 143 2019/2020 last year models.
I did enjoy the video review of the heartbreaker! Would that width be ok? Thank you again
Hi Nate, sorry I was also able to find the nitro lectra 142cm! How would the width be on this one? Sorry for all the questions!
Hi Kimberley
I think the Lectra might be pushing it width-wise. I think if you’re definitely going to be riding +15/-15 binding angles, then you get away with it, but otherwise it’s probably a bit narrow.
I think you should be fine on the 139 Heartbreaker width-wise. With a zero degree back binding angle it could still be pushing it, but I think you would still be fine, particularly as a beginner. So pretty much any angle on that would be fine, IMO.
Gotcha ok so sounds like Lectra is out! I appreciate all the feedback.
One and last final question for you. If you were in my position which board would you go with riding on the west coast
139 Heartbreaker or possibly 143
143 YES Emoticon
I plan on using union rosa bindings size M with an 8.5 size boot (I think the L would be too big?)
Hi Kimberley
The 139 Heartbreaker would be the fastest/easiest progression, but something you might want to upgrade from fairly quickly after you’ve progressed, particularly if you’re not leaning towards freestyle riding.
The 143 Emoticon will be a slightly steeper learning curve but a little more versatile in terms of the style of riding and something you wouldn’t have to upgrade from for longer.
Yeah, I would go M for 8.5s for the Rosa.
Nate thank you so much for your time and help! I went with the Heartbreaker 139 cm with the rosa union bindings M. I think it will be fun to learn on this board and add to my quiver once I progress! Thanks so much again!!
You’re very welcome Kimberley. Happy riding!
Hi Nate, wondering if I can pick your brains?
I am a ski instructor but used to snowboard – probably last boarded 8 yers or so. I use to own two boards – an all mountain palmer liberty in a 150 and a burton g twin in a 147. I’m thinking of having a dabble again – I ended up preferring my gtwin because it was more fun on and around the piste. If the powder is deep I’d probably pick up my skis as I can skin to the best stuff more easily so the board would be mostly for the piste and side country – not keen on rails, but used to love a good kicker and just messing around with tricks.
Any recommendations for a board to get me back into it (tech has moved on a bit!), preferable a twin that can do a bit of everything. I’m 60kg and 168cm tall so sizing recommendations good too, I’m thinking 146-150.
I’ve been looking at the K2 limelight and the Spellcaster or the Salomon Gypsy as I can get good deals on RIDE, K2 and Salomon. Also looking at the K2 Hue binding – I used to use a Burton Lexa which I liked, but not keen to pay Burton prices when I can get a pro deal on other brands.
Thanks
Hi Rachel
Thanks for your message.
I think given that you used to snowboard, I don’t think it would take too long to get back into it, so you shouldn’t need to go beginner (and the boards you’ve mentioned aren’t beginner boards, but just because you’re on this page).
To me it sounds like an all-mountain-freestyle board is what you’re after. The Limelight is more what I would consider a park board. If you were doing more rails etc I think that would work, but I think you’re going to find it a bit soft overall and a bit too freestyle focused. The Spellcaster could definitely work, as would the Gypsy or the Salomon Rumblefish. The Ride Back Talk and Salomon No Drama could also be considered, but they are more aggressive options. If you wanted something more aggressive those could come into it, but otherwise, the Gypsy, Rumble Fish or Spellcaster, from those brands, is what I would be looking at.
Size-wise, I’d say 145-148, based on your specs and how you want to use the board and the type of boards you’re looking at. So for the boards mentioned, I would look at:
Gypsy 147
Rumble Fish 148
Spellcaster 147
Hope this helps
Nate! Your amazing man! Thanks for answering so many ppls questions and giving sizing advice. I’m going to use your knowledge also to get started in the sport. I’ve read most comments and found similar profiles but not exact..
Female 4’9”, 115#, women’s size 4 boot
Female 5’0”, 120#, women’s size 5-6 boot
Male 5’7”, 150-155#, men’s size 8 boot
All beginners. Ideally wanted to stay in adult boards unless you feel a youth shorter would be key to size and beginners. Almost just grabbed a lectra 138 and 142 for the girls but sold out every where 🙁
Boot size and board width I’m also concerned with for them I guess.
Hi Jared
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, that Lectra has proved to be very popular this year. Sold out really early.
Size-wise, I would say:
Female 4’9”, 115#, women’s size 4 boot – 136-138
Female 5’0”, 120#, women’s size 5-6 boot – 138-140
Male 5’7”, 150-155#, men’s size 8 boot – 150-152
Definitely a number of women’s boards still in that size range, so shouldn’t have to go to youth sizes.
Width-wise, I would try to get something narrow though for those boot sizes. So I would be looking at no more than a 232mm waist width for the size 5-6. And as narrow as possible for the size 4s.
So some options that would work well, IMO:
Female 4’9”, 115#, women’s size 4 boot
– GNU Gloss 136
– GNU B Nice 139 (as narrow as the Gloss but on the longer side)
– Nitro Lectra 138 (if you managed to find one!)
– Roxy Sugar Banana 138
All of the above have a 226mm waist width. For those lengths I wouldn’t go any wider than that. If you did want to go smaller, would have to look at youth boards.
Female 5’0”, 120#, women’s size 5-6 boot
– Arbor Ethos 138
– Arbor Poparazzi Rocker 138
– GNU B Nice 139
– GNU Chromatic 140
– K2 First Lite 138
– Roxy Ally 139
Male 5’7”, 150-155#, men’s size 8 boot
– Burton Instigator 150
– Burton Ripcord 150
– GNU Carbon Credit 150 (or potentially 153 if you felt you wanted to go a little longer)
– K2 Raygun 150 (or 153)
– K2 Standard 152
– Rossi Circuit 150
– Salomon Sight 150 (or 153)
– Salomon Pulse 152
Or if you wanted to step up to something slightly better, but with a slightly steeper learning curve – still easy enough to ride but not quite as beginner friendly, then something like:
– Never Summer Snowtrooper 152
– Rossignol Templar 153
– Capita Outerspace Living 152
Those should all be an appropriate size, including width for you.
Hope this helps
thanks again for all this info. Huge help.
Picked up GNU GLOSS 136. (brand new 202$.. the others wont be this cheap it appears ;/)
Heading out to grab GNU B NICE 139 (I was leaning toward the Poparazzi 138 for her but she likes BNICE graphic better and i dont know which would be better for her)
For me debating between. GNU carbon credit, Capita outerspace living. Arbor Forumla and GNU Money also sound similar from reviewing the first 2. You listed the Capita as able to grow into and be able to use longer. How much more forgiving for a beginner would the GNU be? Thoughts on those additional 2 boards?
Hi Jared
The Carbon Credit will certainly be more forgiving than the Outerspace Living (OSL) – and a different feel – a looser feel versus a more stable feel on the OSL. OSL a slightly steeper learning curve, but will give you more stability at speed when you start to ride faster. Just probably wouldn’t progress quite as quickly on it as something like the Carbon Credit. The Formula is more on the Carbon Credit part of the scale. Very forgiving. Maybe not quite as loose, but just as forgiving, I would say. The Money is basically the men’s equivalent of the women’s Gloss, so yeah, I think that would be doable for sure. It’s going to be a little less forgiving than the Carbon Credit, but a little more forgiving than the OSL still and not as stable feeling, but a little more stable feeling than the Carbon Credit, IMO.
Just wanted to say thanks again for the help.
went with. Gloss, Bnice, outerspaceLiving
looking to get 3-4 days/week on the slopes. so far so good. catching front edge sure sucks ha. heelside turning feels so much easier, feel like i’m really digging toes to try and turn that way and board barely goes that way… so i switch so i can heel that way ha. Fun stuff though
cheers
You’re very welcome Jared.
Yeah toe side is definitely more challenging to start. But actually becomes the edge that you end up being able to carve harder on as you progress. Stick with it and pretty soon you’ll even be preferring those toe side turns!
Happy riding!
Hello Nate,
This is a very organized and helpful review. I’m new to snowboarding, and just got my first board (Rossignol Fernemy Size 144) because of its high rating. But I saw some posts saying it’s not a very beginner-friendly board, so i’m hesitating about returning and replacing it with a K2 First Lite board which is on your list. What would be your suggestion?
Also, i’m a bit confused about the sizing for these boards. The Rossignal Fernemy only provides size 144 or above, but its length looks very similar to the K2 First Lite sizing 142. The only difference i saw between them is the width. I’m 160cm, 50kgs, and i’m assuming the right board size for me should be around 142 based on the size chart.
Can you provide me with some advice?
Best,
Charlotte
Hi Charlotte
Thanks for your message.
The Frenemy certainly isn’t a pure beginner board. But it’s not far off. I would say it’s a low-intermediate and up kind of board.
However, size-wise I think the 144 is too big for you. For your specs, something around 142 as a more advanced rider would be a good length, but as a beginner it’s a good idea to take off 3-5cm. So I would actually be looking at a range of 137-139 for you, ideally. So, depending on how close you feel you are to intermediate, the Frenemy might have worked OK, but in that size (which will make it more difficult to ride), I would personally choose something else.
For the First Lite, the 138 would actually be the better size, IMO. 142 doable, but 138 would be better, I would say. If you could also let me know your boot size though, to make sure it’s a suitable width. Width is also an important factor in sizing.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate! While keep waiting for my Gnu Chromatic also would like to ask about Never summer Shade. What can you say about this board? Is it beginner friendly or not?
Thanks a lot 🙂
Hi Elena
The Shade is a very easy going board – and definitely beginner friendly, IMO. Only reason it didn’t make this list really was price – at a better price it would likely have made this list.
Hi Nate! Thanks a lot for the explanation. Yes, the price bites 🙂
Am I right that Shade is more freestyle board? How it will go for all-mountain riding?
Hi Elena
Yeah it’s a freestyle oriented board for sure. Fine for casual all-mountain riding though. If you were to try to really bomb it down the hill or try some really deep carves on it, you might find it wanting, but for casual all-mountain riding it’s fine. Not terrible in powder – there’s a good bit of rocker in the profile. And if you set the bindings back for powder days that would help, but not an out and out powder board by any means. For more details, you could check out my review of the Never Summer Dipstick at the link below (the Dipstick is the men’s equivalent of the Shade – essentially the same boards, but different sizes/graphics):
>>Never Summer Dipstick Review
Hi Nate,
If you don’t mind I would like to hear your advice on board length for my wife. She wants to buy the Burton Hideaway.
My wife would like to try snowboarding for her first time in this coming season. She ski for a couple of seasons but broke her ACL 2 years ago, she now wants to give snowboarding a try.
She weights 52kg, 170cm tall. She will be wearing a US 8 Burton Photon (Step On) boot, but somehow for regular shoe she normally wears US 6.5. Thank you!
Forgot to mention the Burton Hideaway comes in lengths of 140, 144, 148, 152, 155 fyi. Thanks!
Hi Johnny
Thanks for your message.
For your wife’s specs I would say something around 145, 146 as an all-mountain size at an advanced level. Taking off 3-5cm would put her somewhere around 141-143. 140 or 144 would certainly work, but I would be leaning towards 140 for your wide, particularly given that she’s brand new to the sport.
Hope this helps
PS: Any reason why she is in Men’s step on boots? Or did you mean the Felix Step On?
Hi Nate,
Yes I meant women Felix US 8 Burton boot, my bad. Thank you very much for your advice. Good one!!
Hi Johnny
Thought so – all the names can get very confusing! And you’re very welcome. Happy riding!
Hi Nate!
Thank you very much for the recommendations!
I think I will go with 143 GNU Chromatic and Union Rosa bindings. But also would like to ask about Flux Gu bindings too.
What should I pick with Chromatic board?
Sincerely,
Elena
Hi Elena
Both the Rosa and GU would be a good match for the Chromatic, IMO. Probably the biggest thing to choose between them, is that the Rosa will provide more shock absorption than the GU, but the GU will have better response than the Rosa.
Hi Nate!
And can you advise about bindings size? Right now can’t decide between Rosa and Gu. So, if you can give recommendations for both will be great. I’m riding in Burton Coco boots now in US 7,5 size. I should go with M Rosa?And what for the Gu? XS or S?
Thanks a lot! 🙂
Hi Elena
Yes the M Rosa would be the best size for the Rosa. For the GU, the S would be your best size, for sure.
Hi Nate! Thanks a lot foe you recommendations. But I have another question. I changed my boots to Burton Limelight in 8 size ’cause my Coco in 7,5 became to tight for me 🙁 . And I’m already ordered a Gnu chromatic in 143. Will it be OK? Or while my order in process I should change a board size? Thanks a lot!
Hi Elena
No I wouldn’t change the size of the board. It’s easily still wide enough for 8s, IMO. And the Limelight are still a good match flex-wise to the Chromatic too.
Hi Nate!
Like you reviews very much.
Also need help cause I can’t decide between Burton Hideaway and GNU Chromatic. After rehabilitation I go into snowboarding again and used Burton Stylus board in 142 cm. Now I want a forgiving board on which I could progress. And what board size will you recommend if my height is 162 cm?
Thanks a lot!
Hi Elena
Thanks for your message.
If you could also let me know your weight and boot size. Height is one factor but weight and boot size are more important for snowboard sizing. If you’re not comfortable posting those things here, let me know and I’ll let you know how you can send me a private message.
Between the Hideaway and the Chromatic, it would depend on what you’re looking for. They are both really good beginner options. I would say the Chromatic is a little looser feeling, but a little more versatile. The Hideaway is a freeride oriented board – if you were looking to just learn how to ride and maybe try some powder in the future, then this would be a good option. If you were thinking you might want to keep your options open to learn to ride switch and more freestyle stuff, as well as just general riding, then the Chromatic would be the better option.
Note that the 2021 Chromatic is a little different. It’s got a bit of setback stance, so will be a little better for powder than the 2020 model and not quite as good for riding switch as the 2020 model.
Hope this helps
Thank you very much for the answer! That’s no problem my weight is 58 kg and boot size is 7,5 (23 cm).
I think that I want to learn how to ride good and try freeride in future. But also want to keep mind open to switch. Maybe something like all-mountain. So, the 2021 Chromatic and 2021 Hideaway are both will be good in powder?
Hi Elena
The 2021 Chromatic will be better in powder than the previous versions, but still not as good as the Hideaway, but it will certainly be good enough, IMO. Especially as you’re probably not going to be riding in waist deep powder any time soon, right? So, you’re not going to notice that much difference in that sense at this point. So, I would probably lean towards the Chromatic for you, since it’s going to be easier to ride switch.
Size-wise, I would go for the 143. I think that would be a good length and width for your specs, ability level and desired riding style. There’s an argument you could go to the 146, but I think 143 would be your best bet.
Hi Nate! Thanks a lot.
Oh, no deep powder soon, unfortunately. 😔And Chromatic will be better on wet and icy snow? And what bindings will work well? Union Rosa?
Hi Elena
Yes in my opinion Chromatic will be better in icy snow. Union Rosa definitely a good match, IMO. If you want to check out more options see:
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
But as you’ll see, the Rosa is in there and will work well with the Chromatic, IMO.
Hi Nate!
Thank you for this top, I will go with Nitro Lectra, but I’m not very sure about the specs, so I will ask for your help. Some words about me:
– I’ve been snowboarding for 4 years, you can say that I’m beginner to intermediate by now, but I don’t feel like I’m very confident on my moves (I panic when I catch some speed and I can barely control the board to rectify the position), and this is why I will choose a beginner board.
– I am 55-56kg weight and 171-172cm height
– I have a pair of boots Burton Mint 8.5US for girls
I always rented boards from 149 to 152cm.. can this be the reason why I am still not very confident? Were they too long/heavy for me?
Thanks,
Anca
Hi Anca
As per my response here I think the 146 is your best bet for the Lectra, and that yeah, I think you’ve been riding a little bit too long. For more details, please see my response on the other post.
I ride just 1 week out of the season, keep to greens and blues, I have done blue black at Mammoth recently. I am having the hardest time finding a women’s petite board. I currently ride 144cm board for 3 seasons now, but realize it is way too big for me. I am an adult woman weighing in at 110lbs standing 4ft 9inches tall. I really want to progress and keep up with my family. I think I haven’t yet because my board has been too big for me. Any recommendations on boards? Based on my research I should be riding around 130cm. I would love a board that could do it all, groomers, powder, trees, and some playfulness so I could work on my butters and 360. Please Help!!!
Hi Tiffany
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, I would say something around 135 would be a good size at a more advanced level, but it sounds like you’re probably more at intermediate level, if I have that right? In which case, I’d probably look in the range 132-134. So, IMO, 144 is too long, as you suspect.
The shortest women’s boards tend to be no more than 136cm. If you wanted you could probably get away with 136, given that you’re used to riding a 144, if you really wanted to go for a women’s board. Otherwise, there are plenty of suitable options for kids boards in that size.
If you could also let me know your boot size, which is also really important when sizing a board. Once I have your boot size, I would be happy to look for some suitable options for you in that size range (or if you’d prefer to go for a 136 women’s board, I can let you know the options there too).
Hope this helps
Hi Nate! Thanks for all the great information. I am looking to purchase a board and wanted your input:
I am around 135lbs, 5’1″, and boot size 6.5 (I wear the Burton Mint BOA). I am a beginner and still learning how to link my turns. I live in MA so I ride mostly in hard/icy conditions. I am looking for a board that is extremely forgiving and catch free, and can provide me with tons of stability. FYI I’m super scared of heights and get anxious with steep trails (even greens) so I really need a board that will help build my confidence so I can keep progressing.
Could you give me your feedback on board sizing and which boards would be best based on the above?
Thank you so much!!!
Hi Giovana
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, I would say something around 140-142 for your specs as a beginner – and getting a good mix of stability and ease of turning (which is also helped by the design of the board, but size matters too).
For something fitting that criteria, and good in icy conditions, I would be looking at:
– YES Emoticon 143 (just outside that 140-142 range but would still work)
– Nitro Lectra 142
– Rossignol Meraki 140 (would have been number 11 on this list – and in terms of being forgiving and catch-free it’s as good and it’s great for icy conditions).
Hope this helps
Very helpful, thank you- I went with the Nitro Lectra 142cm 🙂
Quick question… I decided to go for Union Rosa bindings (model 2020). I checked your bindings size article as well as Union’s website/size chart and I am not sure which size I should get. Based on Union’s chart, I could get either a S or M. My boot size is women’s 6.5, or 23.5 (and I have the Burton Mint Boa boots). Which size would you recommend? I am leaning towards Medium given that is what is most available, but would appreciate your feedback!
Thank you so much!
Hi Giovana
Awesome that you’ve chosen your board! Hope it treats you well.
In terms of sizing for the Rosa’s, I think you’ll be good in either size in terms of your boots. You would get a snugger fit in the S, I would say, but I don’t think you would be swimming in the M. The advantage of going M, is that the base plate will be a little longer which will give you more leverage to the edges of the board. I don’t think the M would be too long for the width of the Lectra 142, so it’s an option for sure. So, I think it depends on whether you prefer the idea of a snugger fit or a bit more in terms of leverage on the edges of the board. Both will be relatively subtle differences.
Hey Nate,
Thank you so much for you review! I am a beginner at snowboarding, went twice to Austria for some snowboarding but I still find it very hard especially with my toe turns and when its flat.
So I am looking at 2 boards but I find it hard to choose which one, I am thinking of the Rossignol Gala or the Burton Stylus, what would you recommend? and as well what length would you go for? I am 5’2 (160 cm) and between the 68-70 kg.
Forget to mention my boot size is a 4 🙂
Sorry thats EU size 37 ( uk: 4) My snowboard boots are size EU 38 (Uk:5)
Hi Janice
Thanks for your message.
For your specs, for those boards, I would be looking at a range between 144-146. So for the Gala, that would be the 146 for the Gala.
It would be between the 142 or 147 for the Stylus. Since the Stylus is a more freestyle oriented board, I would be leaning towards the 142, just because if you were to get into freestyle riding later on, and kept it as your dedicated freestyle board, that would be the best size. However, you could go 147 if you wanted that longer length. The 142 would be an easier board to maneuver. It’s also a better width for your boot size, IMO.
Between the two boards, they are both really good as beginner boards. The Gala is a little more versatile, in terms of if you were to branch out into riding powder at some stage and is still good for riding freestyle. But both are fine as boards to learn the basics on – and for just cruising the groomers.
Size-wise, I would be leaning towards the Gala. I think it’s a slightly better size for you.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate, thanks a lot for your reply 😀
You’re very welcome Janice. Happy riding!
Hi Nate,
Great post! Happy that some of the models you’re suggesting are on sale where I’m from.
I’m a beginner, I’ve had around 8 snowboarding trips throughout the years but still not quite there yet. I can turn on green runs, but when I’m on intermediate slopes (I guess 20 deg+) I have a hard time turning with confidence.
I was looking at the Gala but I’m 5’1 and their shortest is 142. When I rent I notice they give me anywhere from 136 to 140.
Should I stick to other models and prioritize board length?
The other boards I’m looking at are Salomon Subject, Salomon Oh Yeah, Burton Hideaway, Ride Rapture, Rossignol Myth.
Hope you can help me out!
Hi Angelica
Thanks for your message.
As all of these boards work well as beginner boards (though I can’t really comment on the Salomon Subject as it’s not a board I’m familiar with), I would go with the best size for you. Size is a really important part of choosing the best board for you. In terms of size, if you could also let me know your weight and boot size, then I could recommend what I think would be the best size for you. Whilst I like to take height into account, weight and boot size are the most important sizing factors.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I’m a beginner and looking at the Ride compact, Ride heartbreaker or Arbor Poparazzi Rocker. I’m a little picky about graphics too. These seem to fit my taste. I’m looking for something I can grow into and use year after year as I get better. I’ve been using a 138 burton rental. I’m 5’4″ 128 lbs size 8 boot. Which board would you recommend and what size?
Hi JD
Thanks for your message.
I would say that the Heartbreaker would be the easiest to ride/progress on, but will be less suitable as you get better. The Poparazzi will be the board that will be a better fit for progressing with you as you get better. The Compact better than the Heartbreaker for later too, so I would be debating between the Compact & Poparazzi, leaning slightly towards the Poparazzi.
Size-wise, I would go a little longer than the 138 you’ve been riding. I would say something between 141-143 would be a good range to look at for you, as a beginner.
So for the Compact, I would say 142 and if you went Poparrazi Rocker, then the 141. You could go up to 144 on the Poparazzi rocker too, if you really wanted it to be more geared towards when you’re a better rider. However, that would make it a steeper learning curve.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thank you so much! I’ve been hearing mixed things from various places, so this is truly helpful. I really am leaning towards the Ride Compact but I was told the camber profile would take a little getting used to, but since I’m learning anyway, it doesn’t seem to be that big of an issue for me. I really like the poparazzi rocker but that “squirrely feel” makes me a little nervous. Thanks again!
You’re very welcome JD. If you think of it at the time, let me know what you go with and how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow.
I’m torn between the Salomon Lotus and the Rossignol Gala, I’m a beginner linking turns and starting to get into finding my style of riding.
I currently ride a Morrow Wildflower that’s 10 years old and feels like a 2×4 under my feet. I want something with more flex and easy ride feel so I can work on more effortless relaxed carving.
I also want my next board to last me a long time through intermediate. I live on the East Coast so icy conditions are common. Between the Lotus and the Gala, which would you suggest for what I’m looking for?
Hi Juliet
Thanks for your message. Given that you want something that will last through intermediate and you’re a high-end beginner (if I have that right), then I would also look into the following:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
And since you’re looking for something good in icy conditions, and want a flexier option, I would look at something like the YES Emoticon, Lib Tech Glider, Endeavor Ranger or Never Summer Infinity. Or you could go for something like the GNU Gloss too.
If it’s just a choice between the Lotus and Gala though, then I would be leaning towards the Lotus, just because there’s a bit more in terms of edge-hold of hard/icy conditions there. Not as easy as a pure beginner board as the Gala, but something I’m sure you would have no trouble with, if you’re a higher end beginner.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
I’m a beginner and looking to purchase my first snowboard. I’m 5’6 120lbs with size 9 boots. I was thinking about getting the Rossignol Gala, but not sure if I should get the 142 or 146. Also I’m worried about the width. Which size would be best for me? Or do you think I should consider another board due to my boot size? If so, which would you recommend for someone extremely new looking to build confidence?
Hi Kelsey
Thanks for your message.
Length-wise, I would go 142 for your specs, as a beginner. But like you say, the biggest concern there is the width. I think you’d likely get away with it, if you’re riding +15/-15 angles. It’s on the narrower side of your range, but as a beginner you won’t be getting really high on your edges, like really aggressively carving or anything, which is when the greatest risk for boot drag is.
That said, if you’re really worried about that, then something like the following would give you more leeway width-wise, but still be a very good, easy going board to progress on:
– Burton Stylus 142 (241mm waist width)
– YES Emoticon 143 (237mm waist width)
– Burton Hideaway 144 (237mm waist width)
Generally speaking something around 141-143 length-wise is a good bet. A lot of boards in that range are similar or even narrower than the Gala, but these are some that are a little wider. But yeah, I’d say you’d get away with the Gala width-wise, but there it is on the narrow side for 9s for sure.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi, I’m a beginner snowboarder. Currently I have an old used Burton Blunt, which I guess is too stiff for me (I’ve used this board for almost 2 seasons). This year I’m ready to invest in a new board and improve a lot, but I’m completely lost what board to get. I can’t choose between Burton Stylus, Capita Space Metal Fantasy and Salomon Oh Yeah. I want a board for a few seasons. I’m 169cm and 59kg. My board at the moment is 147. I would be very glad to get some advice what to get.
Thanks,
Viktorija
Hi Viktorija
Thanks for your message.
Firstly in terms of length, I don’t think you’re too far off at around 147. I would say ideally, though, as a beginner with a little bit of riding time under their belt, that something around 144 to 146 would be your best bet.
The Stylus, Space Metal Fantasy and Oh Yeah are all really good beginner board options. Keep in mind that they are all quite freestyle focused. But that doesn’t mean you have to ride any kind of freestyle on them, but just for future reference when you become more advanced. But great options for progressing quickly on.
I think the Space Metal Fantasy in the 145 would be the best size for you. The Stylus you’d probably want to go 147 and the Oh Yeah either 143 or 147.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate!
Thanks for leaving the review, it was super helpful! Just curious, did you consider the Rossignol Meraki for this list? I’m torn between the Gala and Meraki but have heard great things about both, so was wondering if it just didn’t make the list for you and if so, why.
Thanks again!
Hi Pauline
Thanks for your message.
The Meraki actually made the list last season. The only reason it didn’t make the list this year is because it went up in price a little bit. That reduced it’s price points. But otherwise still a very good beginner option (and was only one place out from making the list again). So, if it’s within your budget, still a very good beginner board option.
Hi Nate,
I have only snowboarded once before, looking to buy the nitro lectra. I am 174cm and about 65-70Kg. Would I get the 146cm or 149cm size board?
Thanks!
Hi Emma
Thanks for your message.
For your specs, as a beginner, I would go for the 149.
Hope this helps
HI,
I am searching for a beginning board for my daughter. She has been a couple of times and loves it. We live in the south and tend to go in the eastern areas. Which can have a lot of ice at times. She is around 140 lbs, 5’4, and wears a size 10 shoe. I have been confused on which board to purchase her. She will also need boots and bindings. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. She is 19 and athletic so she picks things up easy. Thank you for your time.
Hi Janet
Thanks for your message.
Length-wise, I would be looking at something around 145-147 for your daughter.
Width-wise, assuming she ends up in size 10 boots, I would say around 243mm to 252mm in terms of waist width.
The width factor will make some of the boards on this list too narrow, but the following would be a good option:
-Burton Stylus 147 (though not the best in icy conditions)
And a couple of options not on this list:
– Lib Tech Glider 147
– Salomon Lotus 146
Or if you think she has/is going to progress really quickly, then you could also check out:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
The Salomon Rumble Fish 148 is the only one I can see that would be in the width range though.
Another option, if she was open to it, is to check out some men’s options. Some options come in shorter sizes, but will be wider. If none of the above work for you, then let me know if she’s open to look at men’s boards, and I can provide some options.
Hope this helps with your search
Hi! I’m looking to get my first board this year, I seem to be between beginner and intermediate so I’m quite confused as to which board i should get. I have been on a board about 4 times now, mainly go in the French alps, but it’s always been with rental boards so far. I can come down a blue or red quite easily by now.
I’m 173cm, 60kg and wear a UK5 boot. I’ve got Salomon pearl 19 boots.
I’m looking for something that won’t break the bank and what I’ll be able to use for some years to come. I think I prefer a softer board but i love to ride powder more than the hard tracks.
I’ve been looking at salomon gypsy, K2 bright lite, nitro lectra so far.
Just looking for a recommendation for the size as well as the bindings to go with.
Thanks!
Hi Rey
Thanks for your message.
Length-wise, I think something 146 to 148 would be a good range to look at for your specs/ability/preferences.
Since you’re looking to ride the powder a bit, I would be leaning towards the Lectra and Bright Lite out of those 3, just because the Salomon Gypsy is a centered true twin, so it won’t float as well in powder – particularly if you start getting in deeper powder.
You could also check out the following list for more options for that high-end beginner, low-end intermediate kind of range:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
The Never Summer Infinity could be a good match – something that’s still quite soft, but also quite good in powder. But certainly the Lectra and Bright Lite still good options too.
In terms of bindings. If you’re going to go with a board around that 3/10, 4/10 flex range, then bindings around a similar flex is a good idea. I would check out the following:
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
>>Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
Even though that second list is titled “freestyle” – you don’t have to ride freestyle with them, that’s just the name I’ve given it as bindings in that flex range tend to be good for freestyle – but also good for beginner/intermediate riders and generally matching with softer flexing boards.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for such a quick response!
This helped a lot, especially te sizing. So far I’ve only been on boards 150+ i think, so I’m curious to see how big of a difference a smaller board would make.
Found a really good deal on nitro lectra so I think I will be going for that. Unless you think the Rossignol Gala could also work for what I’m looking for?
Thanks so much!
Hi Rey
I think the Lectra would be a good choice and if you can get a good deal on an appropriate size, then that’s a good way to go. The Gala would also work for what you’re describing, so also a good choice. I would say that the Lectra is slightly better in harder conditions vs the gala, in case you need a tie breaker.
Hey Nate!
Thanks so much for this very helpful review! My sister directed me to your page since you helped her in ultimately choosing her Rossignol Gala board last year that she loves!
I’d love your advice on what board I should get. I’d consider myself a progressing beginner. Have gone snowboarding about twice a season (usually in Utah and Colorado) for the last 2 years and loved it — figured it was time to get myself my first board! 🙂 I live in Boston now and bought my first epic pass this season! I definitely plan to take advantage of all the nearby NE resorts but also plan to go back to UT/CO this season as well. I’m around 5’7″, not sure what my snowboard boots are (honestly forgot what I used to rent and need to buy some soon) — prob around US women size 7.
I’m currently looking at the Rossi Gala 146 since my sister loves hers. Also interested in the GNU B-Nice Asym BTX 145. Love to hear your thoughts on the two? thank you!!!
Hi Bonny
Thanks for your message.
Both of those boards would be great options as a beginner. I would be leaning towards the B-Nice Asym, just because it handles hard/icy conditions better, which you’re likely to get in New England right? – that or the GNU Chromatic. The YES Emoticon is another option that works well in hard/icy conditions and another great beginner option. Maybe slightly more advanced (but still very much beginner) than the Gala/B-Nice but since you’ve had a few days, I don’t think it would be a problem.
Size-wise, weight has more to do with sizing than height these days. Height comes into it, but weight and boot size are more important. If you can let me know your weight, then I can more accurately recommend the correct size.
Thanks so much for the fast reply!!
I’m around 135- 140 lbs. And yes — will see more hard/icy conditions this year. But I’m only planning to stay in the northeast for 1 year and after that, will likely be going more to Utah, Colorado, California and Canadian locations. So I’d definitely want a board that would be great in those less icy places as well! Last year I was very comfortable riding green and occasionally some blues. How is the Solomon Lotus? I’m pretty sure that I’ve rented that board before. Was trying to read all about camber and rocker to see what I would need — but got super confused haha!
Could I ask you also about board sizing recommendation for my husband. He’s a way better snowboarder than me. Is comfortable with blues. He’s weighs around 160-165 lb and boot size 10.
Thank you!!!!
Hi Bonny
The Lotus is a good beginner option. The only thing that makes me hesitate a little on it, is that it has flat camber sections towards tip and tail rather than rockered sections. Typically rocker in that area makes a board more catch-free. The flat sections will be better than having camber there, but not as good as having rocker. In terms of riding in non-icy conditions the likes of the Emoticon and B Nice will perform fine in those places too – they’re just a little better when it comes to hard/icy conditions.
Size-wise, I would say go for something around 147 to 149 for you. So for the boards mentioned, I would go with:
Gala:146 (I’d err on the shorter rather than longer side of that range, but the 150 would be doable too)
Emoticon: 149
B Nice: 148
Lotus: 146
For your husband. Can you let me know his height. Sorry, I know I just mentioned that weight and boot size are the most important, but I do like to take height into account as well.
Thanks Nate!!!
I just bought my snowboard boot and I’m a US size 7.5. Would those sizes for the boards be appropriate for my boot size?
He’s 5’7.5”
Thanks again Nate!!!
Hi Bonny
You’re very welcome.
All those widths should be fine for your boots, I would say. Certainly they’re all wide enough. The width on the Lotus might just be getting on the slightly too wide side of things. Doable, but wider than ideal, IMO.
For your husband, I would say something around 155, 156 would be a good range to look at.
Hi Nate!
First of all, thank you for all the information you’ve posted online!. Both interesting and helpful!.
I’m considering buying my first snowboard. I rode for 4 years, then gave up for the sake of motherhood and this year returned to the snow with my son!. So I figure it’s time to have my own snowboard. I don’t consider myself a begginer, but I’m not a solid intermediate either. I’ve learnt with rental gear (mainly men’s gear) therefore I’m quite sure that having my own board will help me progress.
I find 3 boards very interesting: rosignol’s frenemy, burton’s yesayer and jones’s dream catcher. I want an all mountain board as I don’t do park, and also want to enjoy and have fun, being able to ride in most conditions and terrains.
I’m also not very sure about which size I should get. I’m 168 cm tall and wieght between 54-58 kg. I usually ride 145 boards, but perhaps a longer one will work better for me.
I would really appreciate it if you could give me your thoughts.
Thanks so much,
Kind regards.
Vanina
Hi Vanina
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of length, I wouldn’t go too much longer than 145. For your specs, at an advanced level, for an all-mountain board, I would say around 147, but as a high-end beginner/low intermediate, as it sounds about where you are, you could certainly take some length off that. And if you don’t intend to be riding fast/aggressive, then there’s not much advantage to going longer. That plus if you will be riding with your son, it might be beneficial, at least to begin with, to go shorter rather than longer. Shorter boards are easier to maneuver at slower speeds. The big advantages of going longer – more stability at speed and more float in powder. If those aren’t big things, then I would be thinking a little shorter rather than longer. So around that 143-145 range sounds like it would suit you well. But if I have your desired riding style wrong, then this could be adjusted of course.
Getting your own gear will certainly help you to get better, faster, than hiring gear, so good call there. A few things about the boards you’ve listed.
The Frenemy would be a good option, IMO, and the 144 a good size. It’s not a beginner board, but a good board for a high-end beginner/low intermediate looking to progress and will still be a board that you can ride and enjoy as a more advanced rider.
The Dream Catcher is, IMO, just that little bit above, in terms of ability. I would say it’s something that’s better if you’re already at a solid intermediate level. It’s not stretching way too far, but just stretching slightly further than ideal, IMO. If you were to go for it, then the 145 would be a good bet. This is the kind of board that can be ridden a little longer, so 148 isn’t out of the equation either but I would be leaning towards 145 if you went with this, partly because it’s a little more advanced, and going shorter will make it easier to manage.
The Yeasayer (I’m assuming you’re talking about the Flat Top version (it also comes in a flying V) looks like a good option on paper. It’s not something that I’ve ridden an equivalent men’s version of exactly, but I think it would work well as an intermediate/just under intermediate option. I hired someone to test women’s snowboards in the winter, and she did get on the Yeasayer. She thought it was a little stiffer flexing than it’s rated and what she was expecting and not quite as nimble at slow speeds as she was expecting, but found that it performed really well in uneven terrain and crud. However, she did mention at times it felt a little catchy. Which surprised me, as the specs don’t suggest that, but wanted to mention that so you have all the info available.
For more options check out the following, which I created specifically for those at that high-end beginner going on intermediate kind of level (you’ll see the Frenemy in there):
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate!
Thanks so much for all the amazing feedback and for taking the time to answer my questions thoroughly!!.
I agree the dream catcher may be a little out of my league, but the challenge is what made me look at this board. I wouldn’t define myself as an aggressive rider, but I do enjoy catching speed. What I want is to be more in control and feel more confident in these cases, specially in uneven terrain.
On the other hand, I believe the frenemy to be more playful and perhaps better for me at this stage.
The yesayer was my weakest option, and after your input I can cross it out.
I will be traveling to the US on December, so I still have time to make up my mind.
One last question, whether I choose the dream catcher or the frenemy, do you think that Burton’s Scribe bindings can work for any of these boards?.
Again, thanks so much!
Kind regards,
Vanina
You’re very welcome Vanina.
Yeah the Scribe would be a good match for these boards, IMO. Probably the best match with the Frenemy, but would certainly work with the Dream Catcher too. The only thing to watch out for is to make sure you get the Re:Flex version of the Scribe and not the EST version (the EST is only designed to fit on Burton boards).
Thaks so much! You’ve helped me a whole lot!
Kind regards from Argentina.
Hi Nate,
Great article and reviews!
I’m a beginner (ride only green paths and still fall at least once when connecting turns). I’m 5’1, 110 lbs and 5.5 boot size. Could you give me advice on what kind of board I should get from your list and what size it should be? I’d really appreciate it!
Hi Julia
Thanks for your message.
I would look at the GNU B-Nice Asym 139 and the Roxy Sugar Banana 138. They are both good beginner boards, and would be a good size for you.
For your specs, I would say no longer than 139 as a beginner – and with size 5.5 boots, most boards are too wide to be ideal, without going into kids boards. These two are narrower widths, which are much more suitable for your boot size than most women’s boards. So, yeah, I’d go with one of those, unless you wanted to look into kids boards.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Do you think Nidecker Angel Snowboard (139cm) will work or is it too flex for beginners? I also found K2 Kandi Girls Snowboard (137cm) and Rossignol Myth (139cm) on sale, so was wondering if they are a good choice? Thank you!
Hi Julia
I don’t test Nidecker gear, so I’m not sure if the 5/10 flex rating the Angel gets is accurate or not. But if it is, I’d say just a bit stiff for a beginner. And the width is on the wide side for your boots too, so the combination of those 2 things, and it’s not as good an option, IMO.
The Myth is a very good beginner board and the size isn’t too far off – so I’d say that’s a doable option, but on the bigger size with combination of length and width to be ideal size-wise.
The K2 Kandi would be a great size for you, IMO. And likely to be a very easy board to get started on. The only thing to think about is whether it’s something that could be a little too easy once you start to progress. But if that’s not a concern for you, then that would be a great option.
Hi Nate,
I bought Roxy Sugar Banana 138, Burton Citizen bindings size S, and thirtytwo Shifty Boa boots size 5.5. Thank you so much for your advice and helpful articles!
You’re very welcome Julia. Awesome that you have your setup sorted. Now just gotta wait for the snow!
Hi Nate,
My wife Recently bought the new Rosignol Gala snowboard. She is 5’2 and weighs 119 lbs and bought a 142cm board. She is a bit past a beginner but still picking up the ropes. She is now worried that the board will be too short for her weight and if she should return it for a 146cm board. Any advice you could shed would be greatly appreciated.
Hi David
Thanks for your message.
In my opinion 142 is spot on for your wife. Even potentially on the longer side as a beginner, but spot on for when she’s at a more advanced level – and should be fine for now too – especially since she’s already a bit past beginner. Rossignol’s weight recommendations are notoriously on the light side, IMO, so I wouldn’t be too worried about their weight guidelines. I would personally stick with the 142 for her.
Hope this helps
Hi all,
I’m a beginner and I really have a hard time deciding between buying either Nitro Lectra 2019 or Bataleon FeelBetter.
I want to get a board that can help me progress easily, that can be catch edge free, help me with my turns and also be enjoyable for when I am an intermediate rider going to advanced.
Need all mountain, versatile, because I do not know what is my style of riding is and I would like for it to allow me to explore many of the riding styles.
Hi Georgina
Thanks for your message.
I don’t test Bataleon gear, so I don’t have any first-hand experience with them, so this is purely based on specs.
At face value, the Feelbetter doesn’t look to be the best beginner’s choice being traditional camber, but looking further into it, with the 3BT and sidekick and very subtle camber, it sounds like it’s probably actually fine in terms of not being catchy. The Nitro Lectra certainly not catchy. The Feelbetter does look to be a good beginner’s choice.
The Lectra is what I would term “all-mountain” and the Feelbetter “all-mountain freestyle” – both versatile types, but the all-mountain perhaps being slightly more versatile. But if you weren’t looking to ride powder any time soon, then that would be the only downside, of going with something like the Feelbetter, IMO.
If you picture yourself riding powder at some point with the board, then I would go Lectra, otherwise, I would go with whichever had the closest to perfect size for you. If you want my opinion on sizing, I would be happy to offer it (also very important to get right) – I would just need your height, weight and boot size (as I already have your ability).
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
My height is 165 cm and I have 54 kg. I was thinking of getting the 146 Nitro Lectra.
Let me know your thoughts.
Thank you,
Georgiana
Forgot about my boot size, I have Burton Mint size 7.
Hi Georgiana
I would say Lectra 142 would be your best bet as a beginner. 146 doable too, but as a beginner the 142 will be an easier board to learn/progress on.
Hi Nate,
I’m looking into purchasing the Rossignol Gala. I’m 5’4″ and 125 lbs. Do you think 150 cm will be too long? Thanks for your help!
Lisa
Hi Lisa
Thanks for your message.
I would say something around 146, 147, at advanced level would be a good length for you. As a beginner, I would suggest 142-144, so for the Gala, I would definitely say that the 150 is too long, IMO. For that board the 146 would be a much better size – and if you’re a beginner, then you could even go 142 for that board.
Hope this helps
Hello! Love this article it’s been so useful! I’ve been snowboarding for 2 seasons now and am finally considering getting my own board. There are so many choices out there that I’m a little overwhelmed by it all. I’ve been using Burton LTRs this whole time (5’2, 100lbs female), what would you recommend? How would you rate the flex on the LTR, is it 2-3/10? I’m inclined to get a softer board but I’ve just been slowly getting onto blues and was wondering if I should get something stiffer?
Hi Mei
Thanks for your message.
I’m not sure about the LTR – it’s not something I’ve had any experience with and it’s hard to find anyone else with a particular flex rating. But judging by what I can find on it, it sounds like it’s very soft – so I would say at most a 2/10 flex. I would imagine that most, if not all on this list will be a little stiffer flexing than the LTR – but that’s just a guess. In any case I probably wouldn’t go any stiffer than 4/10 at this stage, but anything up to 4/10 should be fine. So this list or (sorry to give you more options!) if you want a little more performance, you could look at something here:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
But from what you’re describing, I think something from this list should work well – and will likely be a little step up from the LTR, I would say.
Size-wise, for your specs and ability level, I would be looking at something around 136 ideally. There aren’t a lot of options in that length, without going for a youth board, so you might need to go a little longer (or go with a youth board) but I wouldn’t go longer than 139.
The only board I can think of at the moment in a 136 is the GNU Gloss – but I think that would be great option for you. It’s high-end beginner friendly (which it sounds like you are). It’s 4/10 flex, so it’s likely to feel a good bit stiffer than the LTR I would say, but still not overly stiff by any means. And a good size, IMO. If you could let me know your boot size though – just so that I can make sure it would be a suitable width for you (it’s quite a narrow board in the 136).
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Thanks for your detailed reviews and explanations. After looking through your board choices I was thinking about getting the Rossignal Gala 142 for my girlfriend, but wanted your thoughts on whether the board would suit her. My girlfriend has been started riding about 2 times a season for the past 3 seasons and now she’s up to the point where she can link her turns comfortably on blue groomers. Each time we’ve gone she has had least one big fall, but on our latest trip I could tell she’s getting much more confident with her turning and hasn’t been falling as much. She get’s a little hesitant on riding the steeper blues but she’ll get through them while always trying to link her turns. She’s been renting the Salomon Liberty and she’s 5’2″ 120 lbs with Nitro Crown TLS size 7 boots.
Would you say that the Rossignol Gala 142 is a good fit for her right now and is it a step up from the Salomon Liberty? I want to buy her a board where she can progress to be able to down blacks with the board. We both got the IKON pass for the upcoming season so I’m wondering if she will outgrow the board too fast.
Also can you comment on the quality of Rossignol boards? Would they be able to last a long time? I think that in the future she will probably ride 4-6 times a season.
Thanks in advance!
Hi Tim
Thanks for your message.
At 4-6 times per season, I don’t think your girlfriend would grow out of the Gala too fast, but if you’re looking at getting something to go beyond a few seasons, then you might think about something a little more performance oriented, especially if you’re looking to get her down blacks. But I certainly wouldn’t go too advanced or it could slow her progression down and hit her confidence. The Gala would be a great choice for now, but if you wanted to get something for the long long-term, I would check out the following – which will last longer progression wise, whilst still being relatively beginner friendly.
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
In terms of durability, I use a Rossignol One LF as my control board for testing, and I’ve done 60+ days on it so far without any issues. A few chips and scratches in the top sheet – which happens with any board, but nothing major. As for every Rossignol board, I couldn’t say, I can only comment on my experience – and my Rossi has held up well so far.
Size-wise, I would look at the range between 138-140 for your girlfriends specs, as a beginner. Could probably get away with the Gala in the 142, since it’s a super easy going board, but I wouldn’t go any longer than that. And if you go for something else, I’d stick to a 139-141 range.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate,
You got some really good answers so here is my question. My 12 yo daughter started snowboarding 3 years ago. We are in Illinois so we only get to go a half dozen times a year and it can be mostly ice. I got her a Burton Chopper 120cm then and it’s been great, but I think she is ready to graduate. After reading your comments I am leaning toward the Emoticon, Frenemy or the Meraki with Burton Citizen bindings. She is 5’0, 110 lbs and has Burton Mint size 8 boots. She carves nice slow large curves and can go down any hill around here comfortably. She’ll obviously continue to grow and I want a Board to last her at least 3 years and I think she is ready for a trip west next winter. What length and any specific recommendations would you have? Thanks in advance.
Hi Jason
Thanks for your message. Usually I would say something around 138, 139 would be a good length to go with at this stage. Which would put the Emoticon (shortest size 143) and Frenemy (shortest size 144) out. The Meraki 140 would be the closest of those. But since she is growing still she’ll likely be well suited to something around 143, 144 (depending on how quickly she grows) within a year or two.
For right now, the Meraki 140 would be the best bet, and would still be fine for 3 years I’d say, but maybe less suitable then, but more suitable now. The other two less suitable now and more suitable down the line (and probably for considerably more than 3 years at a guess). But I’m not sure how fast 12 yo’s typically grow, so I’m only guessing there.
The only thing would be with something like the Frenemy is that you would not only be adding 24cm to what she’s used to, you’re also adding quite a lot of stiffness in comparison. That could be a big change all at once. Going with the Meraki would certainly make for a smaller change to get used to. The Emoticon is a little softer than the Frenemy, so whilst it will also be a big change, with being 23cm longer and still stiffer, it won’t be as big a change, since it’s softer than the Frenemy. The Meraki is the softest, and (in the 140) the shortest – so would be the easier adjustment.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hi there Nate!
You probably have answered this question in the multitude of questions above but it was taking me a while to scroll through and find an answer haha.
I’ve been snowboarding several times and would say I’m beginner-intermediate. I can carve but still slow myself down when I tend to speed up. I also am starting to play with jumps. I guess I would look towards a playful ride vs. an aggressive one.
What snowboard would you recommend? Also I’m 5’7 and am athletically build at around 150lbs.
On top of this question do you recommend any women’s boots for wide feet? My feet are size 9 1/2.
Thank you!
Hi Alicia
Thanks for your message.
Based on how you describe your riding, I would say that an all-mountain freestyle board would work well. If you look in the first section for each board, there is “style of board”. Look in there for all-mountain-freestyle. Also, since it sounds like you are high-end beginner or low-end intermediate, you could also check out the following, which might be a better fit for you.
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
Size-wise, at an advanced level, for an all-mountain board, I would say around 153cm would be a good length to look at. But since you’re at that beginner bordering on all-mountain level, I would size down a bit – also, since you are looking for something more playful sizing down doesn’t hurt either – and for an all-mountain-freestyle I usually size-down a little too. So, I’d look for something more like like 149, 150.
For boots, I’m not sure if this translates to women’s boots as well, but I’m guessing it does, but check out the following:
Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands
Wide Snowboard Boots for Wide Feet
Hope this helps
Awesome thanks so much for the reply, helps a lot. As for the boards is there a specific one you might recommend for me from the intermediate ones if I am high end beg. / low end intermediate?
Once again thanks a lot it’s awesome that you respond to each comment 🙂
Hi Alicia
The following would work well, IMO:
– Arbor Poparazzi 150
– GNU Velvet 150
– YES Emoticon 149
– Salomon Rumblefish 148
– Capita Paradise 149
If you’re looking to border more onto the beginner end, then the Emoticon and Poparazzi would be the best options, IMO.
With 9 1/2 boots, though, the Poparazzi might be borderline too narrow, depending on preferred binding angles. So might be risky option in terms of width.
Hope this gives you more to go off
Amazing!!! Thank you 🙂
You’re very welcome Alicia. If you think of it at the time, let me know what you end up getting.
Hello,
I am a beginner to snowboarding, having only been 3 times. I’m 5’2″, 110lbs, size 6US. I was looking to buy the Rossignol Meraki 140 because I saw them on sale, but am afraid it might be too wide for me? Do you think K2 first lite be a good option at 138 or other better reccomendations? Also, what bindings would be appropriate for a beginner?
Thanks in advance!
Hi Emily
Thanks for your message.
I think the Meraki 140 is getting quite wide for your boot size. Without sizing down in terms of length (which can help if a board is too wide), I think it’s a bit too big overall to be ideal.
As a beginner I think something around 136 to 138 would be a better length too. The First Lite is a better length and width for you, IMO.
Some good beginner options below:
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
Hope this helps with your decision
Im totally a beginner for snowboarding. My height is 157cm and weight around 53kg or 116lbs. I found a GNU 2CE snowboard 144cm, Salomon 6 piece snowboard 145cm, Salomon villain classic 150cm, Burton genie 138cm and 144cm, Burton sweet tooth flat top 145cm, Burton Hug 142cm japan limited on website.
Which one you recommend me to get for my first board?
Last time, I rent Burton ltr 134cm and it was quite nice for me to start with.
Thank you in advance for your suggestions.
Hi Jao
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, I would be looking in the range 138 to 140 for your specs. So some of those are going to be too big for you to enjoy, IMO.
Which C2E Gnu board is it? The Gloss will be more beginner friendly, whereas the Velvet not as much. Neither are perfect for beginners. The Chromatic and B Nice from GNU would be better beginner choices. Either way 144 is a little too big, IMO.
The Villain not that beginner friendly either – and 145 is going to be too big for you, IMO. The 6 Piece also way too big – and not super beginner friendly either.
Burton Genie 138 would be a great choice for you, IMO. The 144 too big.
The Sweet Tooth looks to be pretty beginner friendly but 145 too big, IMO.
I’m not familiar with the Burton Hug. A better size at 142, but I’d prefer you on something a little smaller.
So, the Burton Genie 138 is what I would go for if I was you.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate. I’m looking for my gf. She’s a beginner. 5’7, 125-130lbs boot size 9. I originally purchase a 149 lectra for her but quickly canceled fearing it would be too big. She’s only able to go heel side down the mountain. Would a 146 lectra fit with her boot size. If not, could you recommend other beginner boards that are appropriate in beginner length but can accommodate her boot size?! Thank you! Tim
Hi Tim
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, length-wise, I would be looking at 146 maximum. I would put your gfs “typical all-mountain length” at around 147/148, but as a beginner I wouldn’t go that long. I think a 146 would be fine though. But I’d probably try to look for a slightly wider option. I think she’d get away with that width, assuming her boots weren’t too bulky and she’s riding with angles like +15/-15. But if she doesn’t know her angles or wants to experiment with what feels best down the road, then I’d look for something a little wider.
Some good options include:
– YES Women’s Basic 146 (239mm waist)
– Nidecker Elle 143N (238mm waist)
– Ride Compact 146 (240mm waist)
– K2 Dreamsicle 146 (241mm waist)
– Bataleon Spirit 146 (238mm waist)
– Rome Royal 144 (244mm waist)
Hope this gives you some good options
Hey Nate!
Bit of a two-pronged question haha.
I’m having a hard time on my own doing research in terms of what size board to get. I’m 5’0″ and about 145 lbs. What size board do you recommend?
I really like the Nitro Lectra but am also having a hard time finding sizes for it too (any other retailer suggestions??).
Thanks!
forgot to clarify that I’m also a beginner looking to get into snowboarding. thanks!
(sorry to keep on adding replies haha). I haven’t been fitted for boots yet but based on sizing charts, am anticipating between a 6 and 6.5 (my regular size in shoes is a 6.5).
Hi Jessica
Thanks for your messages.
I would say that, at an advanced level, something around 146 would be a good length for you, but as a beginner I would be looking at more in the range 141 to 143. So for the Lectra, I would say the 142 is your best bet. Should be a good size for your boots too. You could also ride the 138 if you really wanted to go shorter (and would still be fine for your boots, IMO, assuming you get in a 6 or 6.5) but that would be getting quite small for your specs, IMO.
The only place I’ve found the 142 is at backcountry (which I think is what’s linked to on the post but I’ve added it again below).
>>Nitro Lectra at backcountry
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for the quick reply, Nate! As an aside question, do you personally think the Lectra would still be a good beginner board for me given my height/weight? Or would you recommend a different board that would fit better?
Hi Jessica
I think the Lectra would be a great choice, and 142 is just right for you, as a beginner, IMO.
Hi Nate,
I have been looking at getting a board after feeling more confident this season. I started 3 seasons ago and still have some trouble connecting my turns and on toe side. I am around 5’4″ and usually given a 144 when renting. I was looking at the boards you mentioned above but can be indecisive. I feel like I’ve been getting better, so I want a board that will work well on the intermediate trails as well. I was wondering if you have any specific recommendations or any other board suggestions that aren’t on this list?
Thanks,
Michelle
Hi Michelle
Thanks for your message.
If you feel you’re approaching an intermediate level, also check out:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
But certainly beginner boards can handle intermediate trails too. But if you did want a board that’s high-end beginner and something that would progress with you for a bit longer, then the list at the link above is a good one to check out.
Size-wise, weight and boot size are more important in determining the best sized board for you. If you could let me know those things I would be able to give you a more accurate opinion on size.
Hope this helps
I’m about 115lbs and have size 7 K2 Sapera boots. I’ve rented an Arbor board before, possibly the Poparazzi, and was not really a fan. I think the stiffness of the board is what I wasn’t used to. I was leaning towards boards with a softer flex rating.
Hi Michelle
Size-wise, I would say that something around 144,145 would be a good size for you, as an advanced level rider. But as someone who is at a more beginner level, I would recommend going a little shorter – something around 140 – 142 would be a good range to look at, IMO.
The Poparazzi isn’t an overly stiff board, but might have felt a little stiffer if you were riding a longer size – also I have found Arbor boards to be a little heavier on average, and you might have also been feeling the weight. That said, there are also a number of much softer boards – so if you’re looking to get on something softer, then there are a number of boards on this list that are softer (check out the flex ratings on the boards above – the Poparazzi I rate as 4/10 flex – and there are several on this list that are 2/10 or 3/10.
Also look for the “style of board”. If you feel like you want something that’s all-mountain (do-it-all) then look out for that. If you think you’d like to learn tricks/freestyle in the future, then going with something freestyle would be a good bet (note that to begin with you can ride a freestyle board like normal and learn on it, and when you become more advanced you can use it for freestyle riding). If you don’t think that’s your thing, then something all-mtn or all-mtn-freestyle is a good way to go.
Hope this helps
Thanks! It does help. I’m mostly looking at all-mtn boards. What do you think of the K2 Lime Lite? Also, would you suggest something that is flat or camber? I’m not quite sure of the difference and how it affects riding.
Hi Michelle
I would say that the Lime Lite is more of a park board than an all-mountain board. Certainly relatively beginner friendly, but more freestyle/park oriented than all-mountain. The Bright Lite (and First Lite) is more all-mountain.
Boards with camber tend to have more pop, more spring out of turns, and better edge hold (all else being equal) – and can feel quite aggressive, especially paired up with a stiff core, depending on how pronounced the camber and the length of the camber (i.e. a traditional camber/full camber board has camber that goes all the way to the contact points. A hybrid camber profile has rocker towards the tip and tail – and there heaps of different variations – some with more rocker some less). Really pronounced camber is typically more aggressive and the longer the camber section the more aggressive and the more catchy the ride can feel. But some hybrid camber profiles are great for beginners.
Flat-to-rocker boards are typically more easy going. Less pop and less spring, but less aggressive too, and less catchy (depending on the rocker sections though). All flat boards not typically good for a beginner, but most flat-to-rockers are, assuming a friendly flex. But hybrid cambers that have subtle camber and a reasonable amount of rocker can be just as beginner friendly.
Hi Nate,
I came across your article while browsing the interwebs for snowboards and I am stunned (in a good way) by all of the information you’ve provided. Although I am doing my own research, I don’t trust my own judgement and would very much prefer the input of a professional.
I am 5’0 and fluctuate between 95-100lbs. I am a beginner but I plan to invest a considerable amount of time boarding when the next season comes around. For my last rental, I had a 140cm board and size 6 boots. I thought 140cm was good, but as I was reading through the comments, it might be a tad bit too long for my height/frame. What are some great snowboards for a noobert who is short? If possible, would you be able to recommend decent boots also?
Hi K
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, I think something closer to 136 would be a better length for you for right now as a beginner. You could go up to around 140cm (depending on style of riding) as a more advanced rider) but for now I would stick to around 136 (maybe up to 138 if you need to). There aren’t a lot of women’s boards options in that size range, but here are a couple that would be suitable – i.e. also beginner friendly.
– GNU Gloss 136 – this would be the best size, IMO, and a great size for your boots too, being narrower. It’s bordering on more of an intermediate rather than beginner board, but still beginner doable, and if you’re going to be spending a lot of time out there next season, it’s something that will keep you going for a good while too.
– Roxy Sugar Banana 138 – a little longer than ideal, but still a really good width for your boot size
– K2 First Lite 138
– K2 Bright Lite 138
– Arbor Ethos 138
– Arbor Poparazzi 138
– GNU B Nice Asym 139 – a little longer than ideal but still an option
Most women’s boards don’t start until 138, 139 (to get shorter, apart from that Gloss, you’d have to go to youth boards).
Check out the following for some good beginner boot options:
>>My Top Women’s Beginner Boots
Hope this helps and gives you some options
Hi Nate,
I apologize for the extremely late response! I am so grateful for all of your input. Thank you, thank you, thank you!! 🙂
You’re very welcome K. Thanks for visiting and using the website!
Hi Nate,
Thanks so much for the article, it is really helpful. I was wondering if you could give me some advice – I’m female, 30 years old, 109 lbs and super short at 4’11”. I’ve been snowboarding for several years on and off and used rental boards, but I’m still firmly in the beginner category due to not continually working at it, and can sometimes struggle linking turns going down steeper slopes – although I think my progress has been hindered by using unsuitable sized (too short) rental boards, or boards that are better suited for intermediate or advanced riders and not beginners. Do you think the Salomon Oh Yeah 138cm would be a suitable board for me as a beginner?
Thank you!
Hi Andrea
Thanks for your message.
I think 138cm would be a great size for you, and the Oh Yeah is a great board for beginners, so I think it would be a great option for you.
The one thing to consider though, is that the Oh Yeah is a very park/freestyle oriented board. Which is fine to use for general riding as a beginner, but just to know that once you’re more advanced it’s less suitable for all-mountain riding. If you plan to ride the park later, then it’s something you could keep as your park board and upgrade to a better all-mountain option. Or you could always sell it once you’re at a point you feel you need to upgrade. But just wanted to give you the full info there.
But yeah definitely getting your own, beginner suitable board will make a big difference for your progression, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks so much Nate! That definitely helps a lot. While researching my options I noticed some boards are better suited for certain boot sizes, I think due to width? I wear an older version of Zora Head boots, UK 3 (Mondo 225, US 5.5). Do you think the Oh Yeah would still be suitable or should I go for a snowboard with a smaller width? And if so, would you have any recommendations for me please? Thanks so much!
Hi Andrea
Thanks for the extra info. Yeah, ideally with your size boots/feet something narrower would work better. Boards too wide for your feet can feel heavier to turn on.
The following are also great beginner options, in a similar length, but with a narrower width.
– Nitro Lectra 138 (226mm waist)
– GNU B Nice Asym 139 (226mm waist width)
– Roxy Sugar Banana 138 (226mm waist)
– Arbor Ethos 138 (231mm waist)
– Arbor Poparazzi 138 (231mm waist)
– K2 First Lite 138 (232mm waist)
The first 3 would be the best options, IMO, in terms of being the best width – but the others in that list are also doable for you, and are all a good bit narrower than the Oh Yeah.
Hope this helps
Thanks so much, that’s all really helpful, it’s much appreciated!
You’re very welcome Andrea. If you think of it at the time, let me know what you go with in the end.
Hi Nate,
I’ve narrowed it down to either the Nitro Lectra 2019 138cm or the GNU B-Nice Asym 2018 139cm.
I can find both online for similar prices. I’m finding it difficult to choose, and was wondering if I could have your opinion on what you think would be the best one for me please?
Your site is great and very informative – based on your skill level page, I would say I’m a beginner level 3. I like that the Nitro is flat to rocker as I feel like this would help me with stability, but I like that the Gnu has a centred stance and is a true twin shape, as sometimes along cat-tracks I like to ride switch, and I think this would be easier on the Gnu than the Nitro (I think the Nitro is a directional shape – it is impossible to ride switch on these?). Also think the Gnu would be good for edge hold due to the magne-traction, but wondering if the Nitro would still be a better beginner board for me to progress, and I think it has a slightly softer flex. I’ve also riden rockers before, but not sure if I’ve ever riden a hybrid camber board. So I’m really undecided, any input you have would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Hi Andrea
I think both would work fine. But yeah the Lectra a little more stable feeling – probably easier to one foot off the lift. Can certainly still ride switch on it. Not as easy as something that’s centered/true twin, but certainly doable – the Lectra I would say 3.5/5 for riding switch and the B Nice Asym 5/5 for switch.
The B Nice does have magnetraction and is better in hard/icy conditions. If you get those conditions a lot, then it might be worth going B Nice, but if you only get them sporadically, then the Lectra should be fine.
I would say both are fairly soft, but maybe the Lectra just a touch softer, but not much in it, I wouldn’t say.
The Lectra is flat-to-rocker and the B Nice is technically what I would call Hybrid rocker (rocker between the feet and camber towards tip and tail) but the camber is so subtle, that it’s closer to an all-rocker board in feel.
Hope this gives you more to go off
Hi Nate,
I have been snowboarding for maybe 10 days in my life (split out over 4 years), and am finally making it down the mountain without falling. I even managed some blues in Whistler, and some easy blacks on small east coast mountains in icy conditions. Now that I started to get the hang of it, I want to invest in my own equipment. I am 5’3 and weigh about 125-130 lb. I have been riding on Burton LTR and some Rossignol boards, forgot which one (both 140). I was looking through your website and am narrowed it down to Rossignol Frenemy and Yes Emoticon. I think in 143, 144 (I know it’s on the small side for my weight), but I am still improving linking turns. The board will be mostly used on icy-hard packed snow. I am not interested in terrain parks or jumps, just cruising down the mountain. Any thoughts, suggestions or recommendations are much appreciated in terms of length and brand/make of board. Also, any recommendations for bindings? I came across a great offer for the Frenemy in 144 with Defiance G1 binding and am tempted. I already own size 7 boots. Thank you!
Hi Sandra
Thanks for your message.
In my opinion those are really good sizes, based on your specs and your experience on a snowboard. I would say generally, going for something 142 to 144 would be a good range to look at based on your specs and described ability level. So, those fit right in there perfectly. And both very good for hard/icy conditions, so both good options.
The Emoticon is a better beginner option, IMO. It’s just a little softer flexing. But the Frenemy is still a decent beginner option – but more ideal for intermediate and up. Since you’ve had 10 days the Frenemy becomes an option, but since they’re spread out over 4 years, I’d probably still be leaning towards Emoticon – and it’s still a board that will be good when you’re at a more advanced level.
In terms of bindings, I’m not familiar with Defiance bindings, so I have no idea with those. I would make sure that the bindings are a suitable size for your boots. As it’s a package with the 144 Frenemy, it’s likely that they are, but I would still double check, if you end up going with that.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks so much for all your help! I am looking to see what deals I can get and make my decisions between either one of these two boards. I think I might be ok on the Frenemy if that’s more available in my size. I want to be ready with my own board for next season! Your site is awesome and has some much useful info on its, thanks again!
Sandra
You’re very welcome Sandra. Hope you can find a good deal!
Hi Nate,
Thank you for this article, it is very helpful! I am (female) 5”6′ and ~105lbs, boot size 8 in burton. I am a beginner, I rode only 3 times and was able to ride green terrains and link turns but sometimes I still fall and my turns aren’t perfect. I was considering getting one of the boards you mention since they are on sale but I am not sure which one and what length I should go with, could you please let me know your opinion?
1. Rossignol Gala (146cm)
2. Burton Genie (147cm)
3. Salomon Lotus (146cm)
4. K2 First Lite (146cm)
Thank you!
Magdalena
Hi Magdalena
Thanks for your message.
Those are a bit long for you, IMO, especially as a beginner. If possible I would be looking more around 140cm for your specs and as a beginner. Certainly no more than 143, IMO.
So, if you have the option, for those boards, I would recommend:
1. Rossignol Gala (142cm)
2. Burton Genie (142cm or even 138cm)
3. Salomon Lotus (142cm or even 138cm)
4. K2 First Lite (142cm or even 138cm)
If you don’t have those sizes as options, I would try to find one of the other options, or another option in a smaller size.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thoughts on Rossi Meraki vs K2 Duchess?
Which would be better for a beginner looking to keep until intermediate level and for icy/hard packed snow?
Hi Thai
Thanks for your message.
I’m not familiar with the Duchess, but based on the specs I could find for it, it looks very much like the First Lite. In terms of performance on hard/icy, I would say that the Meraki is the better choice. The Meraki is very much more freestyle oriented than the Duchess/First Lite, up until an intermediate level, that shouldn’t matter too much. But if you don’t get into riding freestyle, then it’s something you would want to change once you’re no longer a beginner.
Hope this helps
Thanks nate!
Narrowed it down to meraki 140 and frenemy 143
Im 156cm and 115-120lb. Which board would better suit me? What is the difference between the two boards?
Hi Thai
I think the Meraki would be a better choice for a beginner snowboard, to progress as quickly as possible – and a better size for your specs, as a beginner. The Frenemy in 143 would be a good board and size as a more advanced rider – at least intermediate. So the Frenemy would last you a lot longer – could probably ride it as long as you wanted to – would take you all the way to an advanced level, but is going to be a steeper learning curve, and will make progression slower, IMO.
The Meraki, once you’re at a more intermediate level, will be better just as a more freestyle dedicated board.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Thank you for all work work you do. This list is a great tool for me. I am 5’4, 180 pounds, and wear a 9.5 shoe. What would be your suggestion for a 33 year young female rider who has only been snowboarding 3 times? The width of the board is the issue I am running into when I look at most sizing charts.
Hi Cheri
Thanks for your message.
Length-wise, I would say around 149 to 151.
Width-wise, assuming you’re also in a Women’s US 9.5 boot, you should be able to go as narrow as a 243mm waist width. Depending on other factors you might even get away with a little narrower.
– Burton Stylus in the 152 (244mm waist) or 147 (243mm waist) – (depending if you wanted to go a little on the shorter side or longer side, I know both are outside the range I just mentioned) should be a good width, regardless of binding angles and boot profile (some boots are longer or shorter on the outersole compared to what sized feet they fit on the inside).
– Yes Emoticon 149 (241mm waist) – a little narrower than 243mm at the waist, but should be fine in most scenarios.
And there are a lot more in the length range, that are closer to 240mm that would likely be fine in most scenarios – only if you ride with a very straight back foot (in terms of bining angles which you prob don’t know what your preferred angles are just yet?) – or if you have boots with a longer outersole. So those are likely not the only options.
If you wanted to look at men’s boards too, if that wasn’t an issue for you, then most (probably all) boards in that length range will be wide enough. It would just be a case of not going too wide.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
Thanks for this article – it’s so helpful along with all your responses to everyone’s questions. I just had a quick question on which board and size you would recommend for me. I’d say I’m a beginner and can get myself down the easier slopes but have a hard time controlling my speed and am hoping to get better at carving. Also, mostly boarding in the west coast (California area). I’m about 5’8, 125 lbs with a boot size of 8.5. I was choosing between the following boards:
1. Nitro Lectra (149cm) – I was looking into the 146cm after reading your responses on size recommendations for other people my weight, but I don’t think the width on the 146cm is wide enough for my boot size. Would getting a 149cm slow down my progression and would it be wide enough for my boots?
2. Arbor Ethos (147cm) – Is this wide enough for my boot size? How does this compare to the Nitro Lectra?
3. Burton Stylus (147cm) – Is this too beginner? Would I grow out of it too quickly considering it’s a Beginner to Beginner board?
Would also appreciate if you have any other recommendations that would be better suited for me!
Thanks so much!
Hi Rachel
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, as a beginner, I would say go with something 144-146 – since it doesn’t sound like you’re a complete beginner, then 147 should be fine too.
Width-wise, it depends on a couple of things, like binding angles and the profile of the boot (among other things) but I would say you would be fine with anything above 237mm at the waist, regardless of those factors.
For the Lectra, that puts the 146 (234mm waist) slightly below that, but I would say you would be fine – unless you ride with a very straight back foot and have long profile boots. If you can let me know your typical binding angles, if you know them, and the brand and model of your boots, I can more specifically say whether or not that would work. Length-wise I would prefer the 146 for you. The 149 is doable, and would give you that bit more leeway in terms of width, but I think the 146 would be better.
For the Ethos, again that width on the 147 (which I think would be a good length for you) is just below that mark (235.5mm waist) but I think in most scenarios you should be fine.
The Stylus 147 should be perfectly fine width-wise. As far as being too beginner – since you’ve already been riding for a bit and you are looking to get your carving going, it might be something that grow out of quite quickly. It would be great for advancing quickly though.
There are a few differences between the Lectra and the Ethos. A couple of those differences:
1. Lectra is flat to rocker and Ethos is continuous rocker
2. Lectra is directional twin with a bit of a setback stance. Ethos is also directional twin but with a centered stance
And there are other things of course, but not massive differences – the Ethos probably a slightly looser feel, and slightly more freestyle oriented, but for learning the basics, not a lot of difference there.
If you want some other options that are more high-end beginner/intermediate, you could check out the following:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
But I think those options would also work. If you do go for that intermediate list, looking for something in there with a 4/10 flex, is probably your best bet, IMO, if you’re not yet at that intermediate level.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hi Nate, thanks for the awesome website! What would you recommend for me? I have been snowboarding a few times but still few like a total beginner. I mostly struggle with getting off the lift and turning the board fast enough. I also have the issue of my heels lifting. I own boots which I think fit well but am looking to get a board and bindings. I am hoping whatever bindings I get will solve the heel lifting issue. I am 5’8” and about 125-135 lbs. My boots are DC Search 2017 size 8. Thank you!!!
Hi Britt
Thanks for your message.
If you’re having issues coming off the lifts, then maybe not the Chromatic, Poparazzi or Ethos as those might feel a little loose coming off the lifts.
Everything else here should be fine.
In terms of heel lift, I would look at potentially getting j-bars for the liner of the boot – or look into something like Strapins to see if you can reduce that heel-lift. Also make sure that your liner is pulled tight enough, and if you’re finding it’s OK at the start of the day but gets worse, then you might need to re-tighten the liner during your session. Bindings might help a little bit but fixing the issue before the bindings come into play is the best way, IMO.
Size-wise for board, I would be looking at the range 145 to 147 for your specs, as a beginner.
In terms of bindings, check out the following for some good beginner options:
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
Hope this helps
Thank you! I hadn’t heard of j bars or the strapins so I’ll look into both of those.
one more question — do you think i made a big mistake with the dc search boots? i see now that they’re rated 6 flex. at the time i was just going off of feel in the store and they were the only ones that felt ok. (big heel lift in all the 32s, burtons were uncomfortable on the calf) could the stiffness of the boots make that an impact on learning? thanks!!!
Hi Britt
In reality I would say that the Search are closer to 5/10 flex – and once they’re broken in they’ll likely feel a little softer than that again, so I don’t think it’s a bad call. There are probably slightly better beginner options, but it’s not a bad option – and if they fit well, I think they will be fine. Certainly too stiff can impact learning – but the Search aren’t super stiff, IMO.
Sorry! So many questions (I am so worried I’m going to make a bad choice)! I was all set on the Rossignol Gala but then was reading about the waist width and am worried it’s too narrow at 146 cm / 234 ww for my size 8 boot. What do you think is the smallest ww I can get away with? Thank you!!!
Hi Britt
I think the 146 Gala will be fine for size 8 DC Search boots. It’s on the narrower side for them, but still within range, IMO. And unless you’re going to be railing Eurocarves on it, I don’t think you should have any boot drag issues on it, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thank you for such a great list! I’m so glad I found this thread.
I am in my first season, probably a Level 3 Beginner by your standards – comfortably linking turns on green runs, starting to work on blues. Planning at least a few more trips this season (to Big Bear and Mammoth – we live in SoCal), and to get the Ikon Pass as soon as it goes on sale.
I’m planning to buy my first board, and I would LOVE your advice! I don’t mind upgrading after just a couple seasons, I really want a board that will help me progress quickly. I’m still working primarily on control, especially as I move onto steeper runs, and I think speed will come naturally after. I’d love your general guidance, and I have a sizing question in particular: I’m 5’9”, 150 pounds and wear a size 10.5 boot (women’s). I’ve been looking at the Arbor Ethos, but would that be too narrow? Do I need to be looking at men’s boards, or another board on your list?
Thank you, Nate!!
Hi Katie
Thanks for your message.
Definitely the fastest way to progress in my opinion. Get a good beginner board now, progress quickly, then upgrade after a couple of seasons. So, good idea!
Length-wise, I would be looking in the range 149 to 151.
Width-wise, with women’s 10.5s, I would say you could get away with as narrow as 245mm at the waist, and that could accommodate any angles. And could even go a little narrower if you were going to go with binding angles like +15-15. That’s another advantage of going with a beginners board now, and upgrading. You can afford to go a little narrower, as you won’t be railing your turns yet. For your next board, you would probably want to go for at least 249mm at the waist, if you were going to ride with a straight back foot, and get away with something a little narrower than that depending on binding angles, and depending on how aggressive a rider you become. Anyway, that’s all for later.
Long story short, I think the Arbor Ethos will unfortunately a little too narrow, even as a beginner, and even with a reasonable amount of angle on the back foot.
But you don’t need to go men’s if you don’t want to (though it is an option).
Because of how it sounds like you ride and how you’re looking to progress, I’ve skipped the purely freestyle options, even though they’re fine to learn on in the beginning. I think the following would work well, if you go with a bit of angle on the back binding:
– GNU Chromatic 149 (241mm waist)
– YES Emoticon 149 (241mm waist)
The more freestyle options would include the Burton Stylus 152 (244mm waist).
Or if you wanted a little step up, but still beginner friendly, something like the Burton Yeasayer 152 (247mm waist).
For men’s, most boards in that length range should be wide enough, if you wanted to look there. The Arbor Foundation is basically the men’s equivalent of the Ethos, if you wanted to look at that. There is a 148 (247.5mm waist) and a 152 (249mm waist) that would both be suitable, depending if you wanted to err on slightly shorter or slightly longer.
For more men’s options, check out:
>>My Top 15 Men’s Snowboards for Beginners
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks so much for your help, Nate!
Is there any reason that a female rider shouldn’t get a men’s board, if I don’t need to see flowers when I look down? I’m leaning toward the Foundation, but is there any difference between men’s and women’s boards that I should be considering?
Hi Katie
One of the biggest differences between men’s and women’s boards is that the width, for the appropriate length is usually too wide on men’s boards. So I don’t usually recommend it for that reason. So the main thing is sizing. But if there’s an appropriate size, then there’s no reason you can’t.
The other small thing, is that flex flex ratings can be a little subjective and sometimes a women’s medium flex might be more like a men’s medium-soft flex. So, the Foundation might be slightly stiffer flexing than the Ethos. But if it is it would only subtly so. If you’re worried about that, then going with the 148 over the 152, might be the best choice. The shorter size will feel softer flexing than the longer size.
Hi Nate: I just spent a long weekend on my new board – I went with the Burton Yeasayer 152, and I LOVE it! Thanks so much for the advice!
Hi Katie
Thanks for the update – and awesome that you’re loving the Yeasayer!
Hi Nate,
I’m 156 cm 110 lbs with US 8, I’m interested in Burton Rewind 2019, seems 141 suit me. Is this board a traditional Camber or Hybrid Camber? Some reviews said it’s Camber and some saying it’s hybrid. Will it be easy in initiating turns? I’d say I’m more than a beginner but should I stick in beginner board? I can do S turn in most red runs. Is this board fits me as i wanna progress to park riding in future. I know this Burton board is for intermediate and advanced level…
Many thanks
Hi Cindy
Thanks for your message.
The Rewind has Burton’s “PurePop Camber” – which isn’t the same as “full camber, aka traditional camber”. PurePop camber is mostly camber still, but there are a couple of flat zones that start outside the bindings, towards tip and tail – and then a very small rocker section. From my experience on pupepop, it’s not as catchy as traditional camber, but it’s not that un-catchy either.
The Rewind is quite a soft flexing board, so that does make it quite friendly in that sense, but with that Purepop camber, I would say you’d want to be intermediate with a fairly good technique already, as it won’t be that forgiving of errors. If you think you’re up for that, then it will definitely be suitable as a good freestyle stick for the park.
Size-wise, 141 would definitely be the best size for you, you could even go a little shorter (not for this board as it’s the smallest size, but if you were to go with another).
For a more forgiving option, but still park focused, you could look at something like the Capita Space Metal Fantasy, Roxy Ally, GNU B Nice, Rossignol Meraki, Ride Rapture or Burton Stylus.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Thanks for your kindly advice.
As you mentioned, I’d say my technique is not that concrete at all. I decided to take the Rossignol Myth instead to improve my skills and earn more mileages until I’ve confident to say, ‘Yea, I’m now an intermediate:)”
Thank you so much, Nate. Your page is sooo great!
Cheers,
Cindy
You’re very welcome Cindy. Glad that I could help with your decision – happy riding!
Hi Nate!
Looking into getting a board for my sister. Still pretty beginner but picking up quick. Any recommendations on size of board or which on this list might be good for her? She’s 5’3”, 130 lbs, size 9 boot. I was kind of looking at the Nitro Lectra on the list but not as familiar with it. Thoughts?
Hi Jen
Thanks for your message.
I would say something around a 142 to 144 for your sister, as a progressing beginner. And minimum 232mm at the waist, in terms of width. But if she was to ride that narrow, then it would need to be with a 15 degree on the back binding angle. If she likes to ride something like +15-15 then she’s probably good going that narrow, but otherwise, I would go at least 236mm waist width.
The Nitro Lectra 142 would be a great option, IMO, except that i think it would be too narrow for her boots, unfortunately.
But there are still lots of options on this list to fit those size specs, like:
~ YES Emoticon 143 (237mm waist)
~ Rossignol Meraki 145 (240mm waist)
~ Burton Stylus 142 (241mm waist)
I would say GNU Chromatic as well (143, 237mm waist) but GNU boards tend to be narrower at the inserts compared to the waist than other boards, so I’d be concerned that it would be too narrow.
Hope this helps with your decision
Wow great info, thanks Nate! Didn’t really realize width comes into play. How do I know what width is a good size for what boot size?
Also, I’m an intermediate rider picking up more speed and looking to start doing maybe some small freestyle tricks (press, butter, 180). Currently riding a GNU B Nice 142, size 7-7.5 boots. Any advice on a board? I want to go a bit longer but not sure what’s a good choice? Your insight would be much appreciated.
Best,
Jen
Hi Jen
Check out the following for what I recommend width-wise for what boot size (if you don’t want to read all the explanations, you can just skip down to the charts):
>>Snowboard Width Sizing
As an intermediate rider, riding with more speed but still wanting to do some freestyle tricks, I would look at an all-mountain-freestyle board. You could check out the intermediate list below and check which ones say “all-mountain-freestyle” and also check out my all-mountain-freestyle list at the second link below:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
>>My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboards
Length-wise, if you’re not sure and would like a recommendation, if you could let me know your height and weight as well.
Wow thanks for the great info, Nate! Definitely gonna check out your links. I am 5’4” and 128 lbs. debating what length board might be considered too long for me? But also slightly nervous about going too long and not being use to it? Not sure what your advice would be on that?
Hi Jen
As an advanced rider, I would say you could go as long as 146 or a little longer, if you were going to be riding a lot of deep powder. But as an intermediate rider, more like 143, 144, I would say. And for an all-mountain-freestyle type board, that would still be a good length as an advanced rider. So, I wouldn’t go up too much size-wise, but you could bump up a couple of centimeters. In terms of stability at speed, you do get that from going longer, but you also get that from other factors too – like a board with more camber and a stiffer flexing board. Going from the B Nice, which is very soft flexing and predominantly rocker, getting something a little stiffer flexing and with a bit more camber is going to give you that stability anyway, so there isn’t a big need to size up too much, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I wanted to start off by saying thank you very much on helping me begin my venture into snowboarding last year. I started off here in the PA Poconos not getting down a bunny hill over one to two hours. Now I’m riding switch and jibbing down blues in Vermont and starting to venture into progressing my park game. Absolutely love my Salomon Sight as my first board ever and definitely am starting to push its limits but still learning enough not to abandon it. I digress.
My girlfriend is 5’7″ 125lbs. Size 8.5 US boot. She has the talent to S down blues without anything special and never much speed but shes rocking a 5150 unsure model that was $50 off craigslist and about 144cm. Shes been progressing a lot lately but her confidence is always shook because her gear just isn’t up to snuff. Valentines day gift idea approaching. Looking into the Gala you suggest as your #1 beginner for women. Think that’s a good idea for someone who can initiate turns and get down a mountain already? The fast progression I’ve seen myself make on my beginner board is what I want for her. And I don’t ever see her wanting to bomb hills or get into park but just get a lot more comfortable getting down blues/blacks and better speed and more aggressive edging.
In Summation
Sizing for her measurements for the gala
Is going beginner despite her ability still a good choice ( i can send a video haha)
Thanks for all the work and fun you’ve brought me with my board selection a year ago
Chase
Hi Chase
Thanks for your message and awesome to hear how you’re progressing!
As a beginner going on intermediate rider (if that sounds accurate for your girlfriend?) I would still size a little down from what an advanced size would be. Especially given that it sounds like she’s not that keen on bombing. Sounds like she could still ride a beginner board and get a lot out of it – especially if confidence is an issue. I think the 144 size with her current board won’t be the issue. I would say around 148 as a more advanced rider and something 143 to 145 as a beginner, so it fits in there nicely, but there could be other factors, like flex and camber profile, that could be causing her issues on it.
For the Gala, I think the 146 would be the best size for a beginner who can already ride a bit. And I think that would be a good option from what you’re describing. The other option, if you wanted to get her something a step up, is to look at something from the following:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
But I would still look at something more 4/10 than 5/10 flex, given confidence and no desire for speed.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate. Wanted to first start by saying thanks for all your replies and help with these reviews. I’ve loved my sight board which has taken me from falling down a bunny hill to jibbing blues in Vermont in just one year. But new question for you. Girlfriend can ride blues but has a board that doesn’t fit her well at all and destroys her confidence. Still get a new beginner board to help her progression. Looking at the gala. She’s 5’7″ 128lbs. 8.5 boot.
I just bought a Genie snowboard and I got a 147 size.
I am not sure how I determined that that was going to be a good size for me.
I am a beginner, 5’8” and 125lbs. Do you think I can still use this board? I unfortunately unwrapped it and I am unable to return it for a longer size.
Please tell me that I will be able to use this board?!
Thank you!
Hi Katarina
Thanks for your message.
I think 147 is a good size for you for the Genie. Assuming you are a beginner rider, I would say something between 144 and 146 would be ideal – a good idea to go a little shorter as a beginner. The 147 is close enough to that range, IMO – and certainly I wouldn’t go for a longer option for you. The next size down is 142, which would be too short, IMO and the next size up – the 152, would certainly be too long, IMO. So 147 is the best size for you for this board, IMO. However you determined it, you were spot on, IMO!
Hope this helps
What are your thoughts on the rossignol meraki (143cm) vs frenemy (141cm) for begginger board and intermediate (for the future)? 5’1 and 117lb.
Hi Laura
Thanks for your message.
I would say, length-wise, something around 139, 140 would be a good length as a beginner and still be good as an intermediate length. So preferably a little shorter than those options. As far as I know the shortest that the Frenemy comes in is a 144cm, but there could be a 141cm that I don’t know about? Also, the Frenemy is something that’s good for a high-end beginner going on intermediate, if you’re more of a complete beginner, then I would say that it’s less suitable. But I would say 144cm is going to be too long, particularly for that board, to be ideal for you right now.
And as far as I know the Meraki only comes in 140, 145 & 150.
So, I think the Meraki would be the better option (in the 140). It’s a really freestyle oriented board, so it’s something you could always keep in your quiver as a freestyle board, if you were to upgrade to a more advanced all-mountain option down the line. If you didn’t get into freestyle you could always sell it too.
If you are in that high-end beginner, going on intermediate kind of phase, rather than at the start of the beginner phase, then you could also look at:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
Hope this helps
Thank you so much for your response! I have purchased a brand new Meraki 140 (with burton citizen bindings) over the Frenemy based on your points. However, I just found a used 2014/2015 burton lipstick 140 with bindings for cheap-ish ($225 CAD). I am definitely a complete beginner, i have only been 3 times so far. I want a board that will help me learn but also can be used for years. I plan to go 2-6 times every year. And see more groomed snow and icy conditions.
Between the Meraki and Lipstick is there a clear winner for me?
Hi Laura
The Lipstick isn’t a bad choice as a beginner board. Probably just a touch too stiff to be ideal, but doable – and that does sound like a really good price. The Meraki a better beginner board though – and will also be better in icy conditions than the Lip Stick, IMO. So, I would say that the Lip Stick wouldn’t be a terrible choice, by any means, but the Meraki is the better choice, IMO.
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the quick replies! I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions.
For the Rossi Meraki (purchased for 200$CAD) its classified as a “jib/park”. I doubt I will ever get to that level/area or be doing tricks. How does the Meraki perform for cruising down groomed mountains/all mountain and learning to crave/skid, butter?
If the above is what I am looking to do with my snowboard most of the time, does the Meraki become a less ideal board for my needs? or are little details such as the shape and classification less important for me as a beginner?
(Want a long term board, riding mostly medium – hard packed snow, icy sometimes, occasional powder depending on machines)
Any board recommendations that are better suited for me?
(available for purchase near me under 300$CAD are the burton feather, burton genie, k2 bright lite, k2 duchess, k2 first light, Rossignol Justice, ride compact )
Hi Laura
Yeah the Meraki is very park focused. As a beginner, it’s not going to affect you that much but as you progress it will be less suitable for all-mountain riding. For buttering it’s great but in terms of stability at speed and carving – and in powder, not going to be the best, once you start riding at more speed. If you were to use this as a beginner board and then sell and upgrade to an all-mountain board once you’re more advanced that would be a good progression strategy. But if you plan on keeping this board long term and don’t plan on really riding freestyle, then it won’t be ideal once you are no longer a beginner.
From the options you mentioned, the Feather is more freeride focused, and would be a great choice on powder days, but not so much on icy groomer days, genie more freestyle oriented, Rossignol Justice far too stiff for a beginner, IMO. The Compact could work, but I think the First Lite or Bright Lite would be your best options. The First Lite being the best for learning on and the Bright Lite being something that will be better once you’re more intermediate, but still fine for learning on. So, if I had to choose, I would say Bright Lite, given that you’re looking for something longer term. But size matters too, so if there isn’t an appropriate size for you in the Bright Lite, then I would look at a different option. And the only downside vs something like the Meraki, is that it’s not as good in hard/icy conditions, but otherwise would tick all the boxes, from what you’re describing.
Hi,
Thanks a lot for your wonderful article. I was wondering if you would recommend any Bataleon boards for beginners for both men and women (heard a lot of good things about that company). I can do some turns (not beautifully). However I am still very fearful of speed and need to feel like I’m more in control. Also getting off the lift is never too easy for me! So I did some research and really liked what I heard about Capita, GNU and Bataleon boards. I’m trying to decide between these brands for both me and my husband. Would really appreciate your insight on that. Many thanks.
Hi Ozzy
Thanks for your message.
I don’t really deal with Bataleon boards, but from a quick bit of research I would say that the Chaser or Blow would be your best bet for men’s and the Spirit for women’s.
For Capita, the Space Metal Fantasy for women’s and for men’s the Horrorscope – the next best beginner options would be the Paradise and Outerspace Living, IMO.
For GNU, the Chromatic and B-Nice for women’s and the Hyak and Carbon Credit Asym for men’s.
Hope this helps and gives you some good options
Hi Nate,
Thank you for your fantastic website, so informative!
I only started snowboarding last year in Nozawa Onsen and broke my wrist on day 4, an out of control kid took me out, he bounced I broke… anyway, I’m back in Japan with new boots and bindings (K2 Estates and Union Trilogy) but still on the 2005 Burton Feather 150 that we bought second hand for me to try snowboarding on. I’m ok at turning and have been down a few intermediate runs and did ok with some minor wipe outs and side slipping on the really steep bits 😂.
I’m 56, 5’4” 120lb size 7 boots. My aim is to cruise down groomed runs at moderate speed, and definitely no park….. I am considering getting a new snowboard to help me improve more quickly or should I just stick with the one I’ve got… is the a big difference between it and newer boards? Is it even the right size for me?
I should add we live in the tropics so we’re only likely to go snowboarding once or max twice a year, generally Japan but also looking at US and Canada.
Cheers Kat
Hi Kat
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, I think the Feather is a little big for you. Even as a more advanced rider, I would say more like 146cm. As a beginner it’s a good idea to go a little shorter, so more like 142 to 144, I would say. And with size 7 boots, you’ll likely get a better width in those sizes too.
I think going with a beginner board is a good idea, given that you’ve just started riding and also that it sounds like you want something easy going. You could certainly go for something that’s going to also be good as a more intermediate rider and that would be a good way to go, particularly given that you’ve got quality boots and bindings (a touch stiffer than I’d usually recommend for a beginner but good quality – and not too far off flex-wise).
The following would be really good options for you, IMO:
~ YES Emoticon 143
~ Never Summer Infinity 145 (or 142)
~ GNU Chromatic 143
~ Capita Paradise (though this is a little bit of a step up from the others here – but would work, just might be a little bit more board to handle to begin with) – 143
Hope this helps and gives you some good options
Thank you, Nate!
Given the board I’ve been riding is too long for me, I’m rather stoked with my progress lol!
I like the look of the Infinity and the Emoticon…. toss a coin or is one slightly better or more suitable than the other?
Thanks again, cheers, Kat
Hi Kat
Both would certainly work but maybe, since you ride in Japan mostly, leaning towards the Infinity as it’s better in powder. Another thing to consisder is that the Infinity has a slightly looser, more surfy feel than the Emoticon, which is a more stable feel.
Hope this helps
Hey! Thanks for this article it’s crazy helpful, I just thought I’d ask so I can get the right size board as I’ve got pretty small measurements.
I weigh about 115 pounds maybe a little more, I wear UK size 3.5 women’s 32 lashed boots, I am about 162 cm tall.
I have snowboarded for 1 week on holiday and love it but am very much a beginner, I’m planning on doing a whole winter season next winter so I want a board that will help me progress as I’ll be doing a load of snowboarding but am definitely a complete beginner.
Any ideas what size / board? Thank you so much!!
Hi Lily Thanks for your message. For your specs, and as a beginner, I would look at something between 139cm and 141cm. Because of your boot size, I would be trying to not go too far over 230mm at the waist. Up to 232mm should be OK. You shouldn’t need to worry about going too narrow.
The GNU B Nice 139 (226mm waist) would be a great option, IMO, size-wise and great as a beginner deck. If you want a little bit of a step up (just in terms of being a bigger board), then the GNU Chromatic 141 (232mm waist) is also an option.
The Rossignol Gala 142 (232mm waist) would also work. Just above the range I mentioned earlier in terms of length but doable.
Arbor Poparazzi 141 (232.5mm waist)
Arbor Ethos 141 (232.5mm waist)
Nitro Lectra 138 (226mm waist) or 142 (230mm waist)
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hi Nate first thanks for this amazing blog!
Im 5’4 100 lbs and size 6 boot
I’ve only rented snowbaords thus far but have gone 6 times and am ready to buy
I can turn for the most part pretty ok and carve as well. I’d say Im high end beginner/intermediate. I also ride in icy conditions sometimes (I ride near Los angeles mostly so it gets pretty icy after like 1pm)
Anyway with all that in mind and all the research Ive done Im looking into getting:
Rossi Frenemy or
Yes Emoticon
The only thing Im worried about is the size…the smallest size those come in are 144 & 143, Im pretty small and its hard to research boards for small people! Do you think those boards would work or is there another one you recommend for smaller women?
Thanks so much!
(oh also if you have any recommendations on bindings that would be awesome too)
Hi Megan
Thanks for your message.
I think you’ve narrowed it down to 2 really good options for what you’re describing, but I’m also concerned that the smallest sizes for those would be a bit big for your specs – both in terms of width and length. Ideally something around 138, 139 would be better, IMO. And width wise, something closer to 230mm at the waist would be better, IMO.
I think one of the following would work really well for what you’re describing, and come in better sizes for you, IMO.
~ GNU Chromatic 141 (232mm waist) – still on the bigger side but gives you something a little shorter and a little narrower than the Emoticon and Frenemy
~ GNU B Nice Asym 139 (226mm waist) – I think this would be about the ideal for you size-wise
~ GNU Velvet Asym 139 (226mm waist) – again really good size-wise, and something that is just a little bit of a step up from the the Chromatic and B Nice, that would be great for lasting longer, in terms of progression. Still good for an intermediate level, but won’t be something you feel wanting once you become more advanced
In terms of bindings, for something like the B Nice or Chromatic, something with a 3/10 or 4/10 flex would work best (and be the easiest to progress on). For the Velvet, something with 4/10 or 5/10 flex would be the best bet, IMO. The following lists have bindings in those flex ranges. Depending on budget, something like the Union Milan, K2 Meridian, Ride DVA or Salomon Nova would be good options as something that’s still easy enough to progress on, but would still work well once you’re more advanced. Or if you wanted a little step up, then something like the Burton Escapade or Flux GS. But check out the following, there might be something else in there that stands out for you:
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
>>Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
Love your lists. It helped me choose my very first women’s snowboard – the Ride Rapture. I love it and progressed my snowboarding from a complete beginner to let’s say an advanced beginner 😉
But now that I have more experience, I want to get a new board. The Rapture gave me a lot of stability and quick turn initiation, was very forgiving and catch-free – but now I often times feel stuck in the snow because it doesn’t glide that effortlessly, not even on the edges (although it is professionally waxed etc).
Which All Mountain board can give me the same stability, easy turn initiation, and forgiving feel of the Rapture but for higher speed and more effortless riding on the edges)? Ideally suitable for a progression to intermediate.
Should I get a camber board (e.g. Nitro Fate or Capita Birds of a Feather or Salomon Oh Yeah)? Or would you recommend a Hybrid Camber (e.g. Flying V)?
I should add I mostly ride an indoor skiing arena.
Thank you very much for your helpful advice!
Hi Joules
Thanks for your message.
In terms of camber, I think something Hybrid is a good idea. A bit of camber in the profile certainly helps with stability at speed, IMO. But I still wouldn’t go full camber. Some rocker in the profile is still a good idea, IMO. So either a hybrid rocker (rocker between the feet, camber towards tip and tail) or hybrid camber (camber between the feet and rocker towards tip and tail) would be a good way to go, IMO.
Some good options for a high-end beginner bordering on intermediate stage are, IMO:
Hybrid Camber Options
Rossignol Frenemy
YES Emoticon
Capita Paradise
Hybrid Rocker Options
Never Summer Infinity
GNU Gloss
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
Thank you so much for your reply. As always – it was extremely hopeful.
Would you say that Hybrid Cambers have more characteristics of a traditional camber and Hybrid Rockers are closer to a traditional rocker?
Thank you for your help!
You’re very welcome Joules.
Yeah I would say to an extent that that’s true. Hybrid Cambers are typically closer to Traditional Camber, than Hybrid Rockers are. But it can depend on how much camber and how much rocker is in the profile. For example there are some hybrid rocker profiles that only have a very subtle amount of rocker between the feet, which feel closer to traditional camber than full-rocker, and even sometimes closer to traditional camber than hybrid camber. And there are some hybrid cambers that only have a very small and subtle camber section. So not always, but often that is the case.
Of the boards mentioned, the Hybrid camber options there will more closely resemble traditional camber than the hybrid rockers mentioned there. So in this case it’s true. But the Hybrid Rockers will feel closer to hybrid camber, than to full rocker still – they’ll just feel closer to full rocker than the hybrid cambers will – if that makes sense! To try to give a visual of what I’m trying to say, on a rough scale:
That’s a very generalized illustration, but hopefully helps to explain it.
Hi Nate,
just one word: WOW
Thank you so much for the explanation. Sometimes it can be a bit difficult to navigate in the huge field of snowboard shapes and cambers and flexes – but when you explain it everything makes sense.
Can’t stress this enough: thank you so much!
Keep up the amazing work!
You’re very welcome Joules. Glad I could help. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hi Nate,
Have decided on the Nitro Lectra 138. But supposedly the website says it is not compatible with Thirtytwo shifty BOA Size 6.5.
Am I doing something wrong, perhaps?
Hope you can help me with this.
Thank you.
Hi Veekay
The Lectra is quite narrow, but IMO it should be fine with 6.5s, but if you’re worried about it being too narrow, you could go with something else. It will certainly be on the narrow side, but still just wide enough, IMO.
Hi Jake,
I’m an OLD snowboarder. I’m 53 years old and started about 25 years ago. I had one board and one bindings for almost 20 years and was happy with them but the board split. I go anywhere from 2-10x/ year but average maybe 4x/year–so not much. I got a super stiff board at a swap meet. I used it yesterday and my back leg kills today from putting so much weight on it to prevent catching an edge. I’m 5′. 115 lbs. Size 7 shoe. I will never be an expert boarder but will always be an intermediate just doing groomed runs. No parks. Do you have any recommendations? I’ve considered the Arbor Ethos or Rossignol Gala. Really just want to have fun without breaking bones! BTW. I still have my old step-in bindings which I love and don’t want to get rid of. Thanks!
Hi Patti
Thanks for your message.
If you know the brand/model of the board you got at the swap meet, that would help. But something like the Ethos and the Gala would work as casual easy going boards, so long as your not too worried about stability at speed or too much performance for speed/carving.
Size-wise, I would be looking at something around 140cm, give or take for your specs. Something between 138 and 141 is probably a good bet – leaning on the shorter side for something even more forgiving.
So for the Ethos, either the 138 or 141. Probably leaning towards 141, just because it’s already a really friendly ride.
For the Gala, the 142 would be your best bet, IMO.
Though since you’ve been riding a long time, you’ll have a size that you’re used to. So, if it’s significantly longer or shorter, then we can revise that sizing, as what you’re used to comes into it as well.
If you were looking for a little step up, but still easy going, then something like:
YES Emoticon
GNU Chromatic
Never Summer Infinity
Rossignol Frenemy
Would also be good options.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
Came across your site as I am looking to purchase my first board and boots.
My height is 162cm and my weight is 49kg. Rented 6.5 size boots, but my heels keep on going up. So I think will need to buy a size 6 instead.
Been to Niseko for 2 seasons now, and I can proudly say I have managed to go down the green line comfortably. Linking turns successfully at times, but I do still think I am in the beginners’ side still.
Could you please recommend me boards and boots for my level. Or, that can last a few years which then hopefully I will be progressing then.
Much appreciated~
Thank you!
Hi Veekay
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, something between 138 and 140 would be a good size for your specs/ability, IMO.
Width-wise, there pretty much won’t be anything that’s too narrow for 6s, just a matter of not going too wide.
For boots, it may be that 6.5 is too big but it might also be that they weren’t that good for heel hold. Some boots are better than others in that respect. And it might be that you have ankles/feet that are prone to heel lift. It might be that size 6 is better, but you wouldn’t want to go for 6, if it’s going to be too short. Check out the following for sizing snowboard boots and for a list of good beginner boots. Check out the score breakdowns for those that tend to be better for heel hold.
>>How to Size Snowboard Boots
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
From what I hear of Japan, there’s great powder, so in terms of type of board, you’ll likely want something that’s good in powder, I’m guessing. So, something all-mountain is probably a good bet. One of the following would be really good options, IMO.
>>Nitro Lectra 138 – also a good width for 6s or 6.5s
>>K2 First Lite 138
Or, even though it’s more all mountain freestyle, but would still work for powder, the GNU Chromatic 141.
Or if you want something just a bit of a step up, then the following would also work well.
>>Never Summer Infinity 142 – getting a bit longer but would last you for a bit longer, progression-wise.
Hope this helps
HI Nate,
Thank you so much for your prompt reply~!
This is very helpful with my search for boots and snowboards!
Will look at your recommendations and if there is anything I need to ask (hopefully, not!) will message you again.
Thanks again…
You’re very welcome Veekay. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hey Nate,
I’m a somewhat experienced boarder looking to get my wife into the sport. It’s my favorite thing in life and I know she wants in on it too but shes struggling a bit. I think if she has a better board than the rentals then she will learn a bit easier. Shes 5’6″ and weighs 165 pounds. Her first time boarding was at big bear mountain in southern california and she did ok for the first time. But now were in illinois and boarding in Wisconsin. The mountain we went to is more or less a huge hill however the slopes were fairly decent. She struggled a lot more this ti.e though. Got so frustrated and sore after a few runs that she wasnt feeling it anymore that day. Basically spent a lot of time popping up heel side and then falling back on her butt. She has no problem getting off the lifts and occasionally she’ll have a good 100 ft or so before she eats the snow.
Any recommendations? Maybe a shorter board something with more balance?
Thanks in advance!
Jake
Hi Jake
Thanks for your message.
I’m not familiar with conditions in Wisconsin but I’m guessing that you get quite a lot of hard/icy days? Was that the case on the day she rode there?
If so, then something with good edge hold in hard/icy conditions would certainly help.
Size-wise, I’d say something around 149 to 151 is a good way to go, but you could go a little shorter if you felt you needed a bit more agility in the board. But going too short will make it less stable. Do you know the size of boards she rented (at Big Bear and at her more recent time?).
The following could be good options:
~ GNU Chromatic 149: Only thing is it could be a little more difficult off the lifts – and maybe if she’s doing OK there, don’t want to take a step back there. But otherwise I think it would work well.
~ YES Emoticon 149
~ Rossignol Meraki 150
Also, decent in hard/icy but not quite as good are the Ethos, Poparazzi and Lectra. They are all a little looser too, like the Chromatic.
Hope this helps
Hey man, ya that helped a lot. Thank you. We’ve hit a few places here in Wisconsin now and shes doing pretty good. Ya it’s a little more icy at times. Weve been renting a 149 length a few times to see if she does well on that length. She digs it with some liquid courage and shes killing it. I bought her a 147 Joyride with new bindings and burton boots that I found for a killer deal. Couldn’t pass it up. I know it’s not the best board but while she learns more this season it’ll do great I’m sure. Rocker profile. Next season I think I’m gonna pick up that 149 Yes Emoticon for her.
Hi Jake
Great to hear she’s doing better now. Hope the board goes well for her for this season – and hope you both have an awesome rest of the season!
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the information! I’m looking to purchase my first board. I would consider myself a beginner in terms of ability (I go maybe once or twice a year) and tend see more hard/icy condition. I noticed in another post, you rated the Rossignol Myth a 100/100 for a beginner board. How does this board compare to the Nitro Lectra and the Rossignol Gala for a first board? I just want the best catch-free board to cruise down the mountains and that also makes it easy to get off the lift. What would you suggest? Also, I’m 5’4ish and 120lbs. Every time I rent, I get a 146cm board. Is this the right size for me? It’s hard to tell with all the different charts out there.
Any advice you have… I’d be ever so grateful!
Hi Cristina
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, I would prefer to see you on something more like 142 to 143 as a beginner. Up to 145, 146 as a more advanced rider.
The Gala and Lectra are both very good beginner boards, as is the Myth. The 100/100 was an old rating (I’m always looking to improve and adapt my rating system, so the scores change – and they also sometimes change as the result of a board changing). But since you tend to ride in hard/icy conditions a lot, I would be more inclined to look at the Lectra (142) over the Myth and Gala, which would be slightly better in those conditions, IMO.
Though even better in those conditions would be something like the GNU Chromatic, the YES Emoticon or the Rossignol Meraki.
If you could also let me know your boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of your boot size) to make sure these options would be a suitable width for you.
Hope this helps with your decision.
Nate,
You’re the best! I’m a shoe size 7. I’m usually given a 7.5 or 8 in boot size. Is that what I should be using?
If I go with the GNU Chromatic, how is this board on fresh snow? I may be taking a trip to Breckenridge this winter and, although I see more icy conditions, I’d love to bring my own board.
Hi Cristina
Typically you would be around your shoe size in snowboard boots, give or take 1/2 a size. But every foot is different. Different brands tend to fit subtly different as well, so it would depend. If you’re not sure about how your boots should fit, check out:
>>How to Size Snowboard Boots
The Chromatic is decent in fresh snow. It’s not a powder hound, but it’s not bad either. I would say 3/5 in powder. So, good enough, if you’re not going to see powder that often. And if you really wanted to, you could also set your bindings back a little on days when there’s fresh snow, for better float. But all of that really applies to ungroomed fresh snow (backcountry, or off-piste). In soft-pack on the groomers, it will be absolutely fine.
Hi Nate 🙂
I am about to pick up snowboarding again after a long hiatus and would put myself back in the beginner bucket. I am looking for the right board that would give me a lot of control and comfort (I had acl/mcl surgery about 7 years ago and have to wear a heavy duty knee brace). I’m 5’5 and 142lbs and I wear a size 8 boot.
Please let me know what your recommendations are. Thanks!
Hi Tina
Thanks for your message.
Certainly going with something that’s not too stiff flexing is a good idea – both as a beginner and also in terms of comfort. A softer flex is more forgiving and makes it both technically and physically easier to initiate turns. And certainly easier to control at slower speeds.
Length-wise, something around 145, 146 would be a good way to go, IMO.
Width-wise, as long as you go at least 233mm in terms of waist width, you should be fine. But try not to go wider than around 243mm at the waist – if you go too wide, then it becomes more difficult to initiate turns (more physical effort required).
If you don’t think you’ll be riding the park in the future, then going for something all-mountain or all-mountain-freestyle would be a good option. I would go all-mountain, if you’re somewhere that sees a fair amount of fresh powder, and you think you’ll want to go off-groomer at some stage. Otherwise either all-mountain or all-mountain freestyle. There are a number of options on this list in those categories.
The other thing is if you’re in an area that sees a lot of hard/icy conditions, that’s something else to think about. The boards labelled “HARD/ICY” would be good options in that case.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I have recently come across your website and the information has been extremely helpful especially as I am looking to buy my daughter her own board & bindings.
My daughter, 14 has been boarding for 2 years now (total of 2 weeks) and is keen to progress. She is comfortable coming down gentle blue runs.
We would like the board and bindings to last for a good few years and looking for something that will let her progress both on the piste and park. From your reviews we would be looking at:
Yes Emoticon with Burton Scribe
K2 First Lite with Burton Citizen
Rossignol Gala with Burton Citizen
At out local store they have recommended Bataleon Feelbetter with either Burton Citizen or Now Vetta.
She is 52.5kg and 163cm with UK boot size 5.5 and I would really appreciate your thoughts on the above as well as what would be the most suitable board size.
Look forward to hearing from you.
David
Hi David
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, as an advanced rider, I would say something around 143, but it’s a good idea to take off a bit of size for beginner/intermediate riders. So a range of 138 to 140 would be a good bet. Since you will want the board to last her a good few years, and if she is still growing, then looking at the higher end of that range or even looking up to 142cm. So maybe 140-142. Ideally closer to 140 but if you’re wanting it to grow with her a bit, then could go a little longer. But I wouldn’t go too much longer, as then the board gets harder to ride and it could stunt her progress.
From those 3, I think the YES Emoticon would be the best option. It’s something that will last longer skill-wise, and a good option for both piste and park. Less so for powder than the others though. The only thing is that the shortest size is 143. You could possibly stretch to that but is getting on the long side. It’s also on the wide side for UK5.5, IMO.
The First Lite and Gala (in the 142) would be better sizes, mostly because they’re a little narrower, and would still be suitable in the park but not as park friendly. But they’re also boards that aren’t necessarily going to be as good in a couple of years when your daughters skill level increases.
I don’t know much about Bataleon boards, but based on some quick research, looks like the Feelbetter is very park oriented. It looks like it would be beginner suitable but might also be something that she would progress past quite quickly – certainly on piste. It’s something that would remain a good park board for her, but for piste riding, upgrading from that after a season or two would be beneficial. Size-wise, I would say the 140 would be the best size for that board.
So, I think the Emoticon would be the best board choice, but not necessarily the best size. But if you were willing to go for that length with it in mind that she’s growing and progressing, then that’s a good option. Just might be a slightly steeper learning curve to begin with. Also, if she has used boards of that length of longer and felt comfortable, when renting, then that’s another factor to consider.
Another option that I think would work well, if available, is the GNU Chromatic 141. It’s a good length, width and something that’s good for piste and park and should last a few season’s worth of progression.
Another one if available, is the Arbor Poparazzi in the 141. I think that would fit really well too.
In terms of bindings, the Citizen is a great beginner binding, but again, could be something that she grows out of quite quickly. The Scribe is certainly something that would last longer through her progression. A bit of a steeper learning curve, as they’re a bit stiffer, but doable.
Also check out:
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
>>Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
For more options.
Something like the K2 Meridian or Union Milan or Ride DVA would be a good middle ground between lasting but also being beginner friendly.
Hope this helps with your decision.
Thanks for getting back so quick Nate and with a really comprehensive review of the options.
Due to availability and taking cost into account we have narrowed it down, we think to either:
First Lite or Gala paired with the Milan bindings.
Thanks again for your help with this.
You’re very welcome David. Hope you and your daughter have a great season!
Hey Nate,
As you seem to be an expert 🙂 , I have some questions.
I am 5 foot, 155lbs. We go up to NC for 3 years and this year i was looking into getting my own board. I know the basics and can get down the mountain. What would you recommend?
Is the Frenemy or the myth like the top ones?
What about the Burton Genie?
Thanks!!
Hi Jessica
Thanks for your message.
The Frenemy is a good intermediate level board. But would be fine for a high end beginner. So you might be OK with something like that.
Both the Burton Genie (which is now called the Stylus) and the Rossignol Myth are very good as beginner boards. They are both freestyle focused, which doesn’t matter when you’re just learning, but if you want something that will last you a while through your progression, just know that they are more suitable for doing tricks/riding the park. So whether or not that’s something you think you’ll get into, will depend. But if you get something like that and upgrade later once you’re more advanced, they’re certainly boards that will aid in quick progression.
But if you want something that will stick with you a bit longer and is more “all-mountain” focused, then I would look at one that has an “all-mountain” or “all-mountain-freestyle” tag next to “Style of Board” in the list.
If you’re looking for something that will be just that little bit more advanced and will last you for longer through your progression, then something like:
Rossignol Frenemy
Never Summer Infinity
YES Emoticon
Arbor Poparazzi
GNU Gloss
Capita Paradise
Size-wise, something around 145cm would be a good bet for you at the moment, IMO. So, for those boards mentioned:
Rossignol Frenemy: 147 (or 144)
Never Summer Infinity: 145
YES Emoticon: 146
Arbor Poparazzi: 147 (or 144)
GNU Gloss: 144
Capita Paradise: 145
Do you know the size you usually rent. Because what you’re used to can also come into sizing.
Also, if you can let me know your boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of your boot size). Just to make sure these boards will be an appropriate width.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate!
Thank you so much for your articles, they have helped me so much! However, I still don’t know which board would be best for me. I am currently interested in the Arbor Ethos/Poparazzi or Ride Rapture.
I am 5’8, about 130lb, and wear a size 9 women’s shoe. I have snowboarded 4 times, and I started to link my turns on greens and easy blues. So I am still a beginner (:
My goal is to find a board that will help me progress fast but will still last me a couple of seasons. I am getting a pass this season and hope to go up every weekend.
Which board and length would you recommend for me? Also do you think the Arbor Ethos or Poparazzi would be better? Any suggestions are appreciated!
Thank you so so much for your help!!
Hi Kailey
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise I think something around 146 to 148 would be a good length to go with for your specs and a beginner with a bit of experience already.
Width wise with 9s, I would say at least 236mm in terms of waist width, but that would depend on your binding angles. If you ride with a very straight back foot, then probably more like 240mm minimum but if you ride with quite a bit of angle on both you could go narrower. But if you’re not sure of binding angles, then something between 236 and 242 would be a good range to look at.
So the sizes I would go for would be:
Ethos: 147 (235.5mm waist)
Poparazzi: 147 (235.5mm waist)
Rapture: 147 (238mm waist)
The Poparazzi and Rapture are likely to last you longer through your progression, so they might be the best to choose between.
Hope this helps with your decision
Awesome! Thank you so much for your input! Do you think the Poparazzi would be too narrow? I’m not positive what angle I ride with, I always just let my rental place set it, but I think it’s around 15 degrees.
Also, do you have any other recommendations for me besides the Poparazzi and Rapture?
Again, thank you so much! I really appreciate it.
Hi Kailey
Yeah often rental places will setup at +15/-15, from what I’ve seen. In which case, if you were to stick with that, then the Poparazzi should be fine width-wise, IMO.
Some other good options for you, IMO:
~ YES Emoticon 146 (239mm waist)
~ Rossignol Frenemy 147 (240mm waist) – a little bit of a step up but still doable
The GNU Chromatic 146 (238mm waist) could work well for you too.
Hi Nate!
Thanks so much for your article on beginner snowboards, it’s been super helpful to my boyfriend and I!
I’ve been snowboarded 4-5 times, and have a good grasp of turning. Currently I’m working on making turns on more steeper slopes and making tighter turns. For reference, I’m 5’5 and about 113 lbs. Based on the information you’ve given me, I’ve narrowed down a few boards that’s on sale right now at pretty reasonable prices:
– K2 Duchess 146cm
– K2 Bright Lite 146cm
– Rossignol Frenemy Magtek 147cm
– Ride Rapture 143cm
– K2 Bright Lite 145cm
I’m not sure if these boards are too long for me, or if you have any other recommendations? Your advice is deeply appreciated!
Thank you!
Hi Shirley
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, in my opinion, most of those would be too long for you. I would say as a beginner that something between 139 and 141 would be a good range to look at. Since it sounds like you’re progressing quite quickly you’ll probably be fine to go with something 142, 143, but I wouldn’t go any longer than that at this stage if it was me.
So, from that list the Ride Rapture looks the best option to me. Just note that the Rapture is certainly freestyle oriented (which is fine when you’re still learning). So, if you get into riding the park, then it will be a good option to have in your quiver. But once you become more advanced you’ll likely want something different for riding the mountain. But yeah, this would be your best option from that list,IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision and let me know if you find other options that you’re considering
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the quick reply! I turned to eBay to find some good deals… 😀
I’ve also been looking at these two boards:
– Salomon Lotus 138 or 142
– K2 Bright Lite 142
Are any of these two OK? I’d like to keep the board for a few seasons and be able to progress on it without buying another.
Hi Shirley
I think he K2 Bright Lite 142 would be a great option for you. It fell just outside this list, so it’s definitely beginner appopriate, in my opinion and that’s a better size for you, IMO. But still the kind of size that would be appropriate a few seasons down the line
Hey Nate,
OK, so I’ve narrowed it down to the K2 Bright Lite 142, or the GNU Gloss 140 (I’ve heard that it’s an OK board for intermediate beginners).
Out of these two, which do you think would enable me to progress without having to buy another board in the next few seasons?
Thank you!!
Hi Shirley
I think both would be good boards to progress on for a few years and at the same time beginner friendly enough. But maybe leaning towards the 142 Bright Lite, just because the size would be more appropriate in a couple of seasons. The 140 would be a great size now, but down the line you might appreciate the little bit of extra length of the 142 Bright Lite. One more thing – what’s your boot size? Or shoe size if you’re not sure of boot size. Just to see what would be most appropriate width-wise.
I’m a size 7 in boots, with medium bindings.
Hi Shirley
You could certainly ride either, IMO, with 7s, but perhaps sticking with the Bright Lite just because it’s a better length, overall, in terms of holding on to it for a few seasons.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thank you so much for your “how to choose the best snowboard” article and for making this list. The way you explain everything is extremely helpful! I’ve been a skier for years and and just moved to New Mexico and want to transition to snowboarding. I’m 5′ 10″ and weight about 128 lbs so I am struggling to decided what size board I need since my height and weight don’t correspond on the sizing charts. I’m a size 9, slender-athletic build, and will probably be hitting up resorts and eventually backcountry (I hope!). Since you definitely seem to be the Obi-Wan Kenobi of snowboards (good call Brynn!) I would appreciate your recommendation on what size board I should look for, and if you think a certain board on this list or style would be preferential for me.
Thank you so much!
Anne
Hi Anne
Thanks for your message.
I like to take height into account but weight is certainly the most important factor (as well as boot size). For you, as a beginner, I would say that something between 146 to 148 would be a good length to go for.
For Size 9s a safe range to look at would be something with a waist width between 238mm and 248mm.
Given how you want to ride, I think something all-mountain would be your best option.
So based on all of that, I would suggest the following:
~ Burton Hideaway 148 (240mm waist)
~ Nitro Lectra 149 (238mm waist) – a little outside our range but should still be fine
The other options, if you were wanting a board that could stay with you longer – i.e. want grow out of them as fast – but will also be a little bit of a steeper learning curve:
~ GNU Gloss 148 (239mm waist)
~ Capita Paradise 147 (237mm waist) – pushing it in terms of width, but should be OK
~ Rossignol Frenemy 147 (240mm waist)
Hope this helps and gives you some options
Hi Nate!
Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi (of snowboards)… You are my only hope 🙂 I’m overwhelmed with research for a new board. (Sorry, nerd reference). I’m 29, 5’9”-5’10” (i never know anymore), and about 190-195 lbs (stressful events, lots of weight gain, working on getting that back down).
I’m what I’d call a ‘competent beginner’. Even though i’ve been snowboarding for years, I initially learned in the midwest, self-taught, and it often would be at least 2-3 years between snowboarding trips.
I now finally live on the west coast and have gone to breckenridge 2 years ago and lake tahoe this past year. Breckenridge was hard but I could handle greens, and then easy blues, I fall a lot the first day after not going for a while but typically have ‘ok’ control with my S turns on my toe edge… only with large turns though, my fine, minute control (like going through a crowded area) has never been there. I was using a K2 board at the time (unknown kind). I think it was maybe 148cm?
This past year my husband bought me a custom board from Oz Snowboards (small colorado company) as a gift, it was around 152-154 cm, all mountain, extruded base, carbon fiber, with true twin direction, hybrid camber, and supposedly soft/medium flex. It was like night and day for loss of control on this thing I feel like my toe edge catches EVERYTHING. After multiple days I could finally turn onto my toe edges but it takes SO much effort, the board feels so much stiffer than my last one, and I feel like I have zero control. Unfortunately, I got rid of my K2 thinking I had graduated. I would now like to be held back to kindergarten.
So… help? I’m planning on getting an IKON pass this year and going… a lot. I’m not sure if I need a solely beginner board or not. A couple of things to maybe help with recommendations:
1. I know for a fact I’m a goofy foot, and while I switch on this new board, in reality after a little bit on the run I typically feel ok doing toe edge riding.
2. most of my boarding will always be in colorado, california, washington, utah
3. i’m not a terrain park person. maybe attempting a jump in the years future… but right now I really just want to have solid control. Control going through a busy, narrow run, and not relying on switching to go down.
So I was wondering if I need a shorter board again, a softer board, and potentially an asymmetrical board? And do I need to worry about my weight affecting the length or flex?
Cost isn’t as much of an issue as much of actual ease in all of the above things (biggest thing is ease of turning and lack of catching).
Thank you times a million for reading through all of this, I appreciate your help, I didn’t know where else to go.
Happy Halloween (when this was sent in) and have a lovely day.
Hi Brynn
Thanks for your message. First time I’ve been referred to as Obi-Wan – but I like it 😉
Without knowing the exact specs of the 2 boards, I couldn’t say for sure, but usually the things you’re describing come down to 1 of 3 things or a combination of all 3.
1. That the new board is significantly stiffer than your old K2. Stiffer boards are more difficult to control and are harder to maneuver at slow speeds. Longer boards can also feel stiffer, even if they’re not necessarily stiffer.
2. That the new board has a lot more camber than your old K2 – hybrid camber can really vary – some being mostly camber, some only having very subtle camber. And your old K2 may not have had any camber in it. Having a board that’s all camber or predominantly camber is often the cause of catching an edge.
3. That the new board is significantly longer than your old K2. Which it sounds like it is. And it’s not just the overall length, it’s also how much effective edge is there. But I won’t go into detail on effective edge as I don’t want to throw too much info at once.
So, I think to make sure you get on something that can aid your progression and build your confidence, I think it’s a good idea to look at something that’s beginner. And since we don’t know exactly what changed between the 2 boards, it would be safer to try to go for something that’s only got very subtle camber or no camber.
Size-wise, I would noramlly say that something around 152-154 would be a good length for you as a beginner. But since the new board feels long to you and since your old board was a reasonable amount smaller, I think going a little shorter than that is a good idea. Maybe a range between 149 and 151 would be a better place to look. Shorter will certainly also help with sharper turns and navigating narrow crowded areas, so that would be another reason to go shorter, if that’s something you’re having difficulties with.
With all that in mind, I think the following would be good choices, also taking into account a board that you won’t grow out of too quickly and one that’s more all-mountain focused than freestyle focused – or in between.
~ GNU Chromatic 149
~ YES Emoticon 149
~ Arbor Poparazzi 150
You could also look at the Rossi Gala, Arbor Ethos, Nitro Lectra and K2 First Lite. The only downside to those being that you may (not necessarily but there’s a higher chance) grow out of those quicker.
There’s one more thing to consider though and that’s the waist width. Just want to make sure that these boards will be wide enough for your boots. If you can let me know your boot size (and if you’re not sure, then your shoe size), then I can give you my opinion on if those are appropriate width-wise for you.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate!
Thank you so much for the response, it really truly helps with figuring this out. I’m an 8.5 boot size, so I think based on their size charts I would hopefully be ok with most of these boards? I’m currently deciding between either the Emoticon or GNU board you are recommending. Although both seem like good options… both seem stable but good at turning. Not quite sure how I”ll make the choice 🙂 But at least now its only down to two!
Not to take up too much of your time but… I also need to buy new bindings (mine are… oh… 12 years old). Any recommendations for bindings good for beginners? I wear a 8.5 burton boa boot (took years to find a boot that fit my picky feet and don’t make them burn in pain, but YAY that problem is solved).
You’re the best 🙂
Brynn
Hi Brynn
Yeah, you should definitely be fine width-wise with those boards. If it helps at all the Chromatic will be a slightly looser feeling board than the Emoticon. Whether you think you’d prefer a looser feeling board or not, might help with your decision.
In terms of bindings, check out the following:
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
OR
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
If you need more options, let me know.
Glad you’ve found boots that fit well!
Hope this helps
Hi there, I’m looking at purchasing my first board and have been looking at the YES Emoticon for a while. I’m struggling a little on size because from what i’ve seen both the 143 and 146 have the same weight limit and unfortunately I’m short and at the upper weight limit on both (I’m 5’2 and 150lb and wear a boot size 6 UK, but I’m planning on hitting the gym and losing at least 10lbs before our trip in January). I’ve been having lessons on a 146 but i’n not sure if this is the best option as I’ve heard some people recommend shorter boards for beginners for ease of initiating turns. On a side note – I purchased a pair of Burton Escapades in the sale on recommendation of a friend – would these be suitable with this board and my ability level (beginner – approximately 10 hours of lessons on indoor slopes plus some practice without tuition). Best Wishes Stacey
Hi Stacey
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, I think the 146 would be your best bet. You could go even longer as a more advanced rider, but wouldn’t necessarily have to. But yeah the 146 is already going a little shorter than what you could, so I think that would be an appropriate beginners size. You could go 143, if you’re really worried and that would certainly work, but overall I think the 146 is the best option. For either I wouldn’t worry too much about being at the upper end of the weight limit – those are just rough guidelines, IMO.
The Escapades are great bindings, and should pair fine with the Emoticon. I wouldn’t say they’re the ideal beginner bindings. A little too stiff to be ideal, but they aren’t the worst beginner options either. They are doable.
Hope this helps,
Nate
Hi, Nate!
Thanks so much for answering all these questions! I tried sending a comment from my phone, but I don’t think it worked, so I’m sorry for any double posts!!
I am planning to buy my first snowboard, bindings, and boots. I have snowboarded a few times and was linking turns, and able to do blue runs. However the most recent time I went in the northeast, I found I was catching edges a lot. So I would guess I am more of a later beginner. I would like to experiment with the park, so I think I am interested in an All Mountain freestyle board from what I have read on your website about those! I am 5’7” and around 111 lbs, and size 8.5 US shoe. I am having trouble figuring out the right size board and also which board to get so any help would be much appreciated! Also I am trying to look at later models as a way to save some money, so any advice on what you recommend from that category would be awesome!!
Hi Sarah
Thanks for your messages. I did get the others too. Comments just have to go through moderation before being published.
From what you’re describing, I think something all-mountain-freestyle would work well. The biggest downside is that they’re usually not as good in powder. But you can still certainly ride them in powder, just that it’s a little more effort keeping the nose up. But certainly still doable and I think that would be your best option from what you’ve said.
Size-wise, I would be looking at something between 141 and 144.
With 8.5s, I would try to look for something with at least 235mm at the waist. If you knew your binding angles, then you could potentially go a little narrower (depending on the angles) but if not then go at least 235mm.
Given all of that, the fact you need something good in ice, and that you sound like you’re a high-end beginner, I think the YES Emoticon would be ideal. Not sure if you’ll be able to find one in a past season model though. But if you can, that’s what I’d go for. The 143cm (237mm waist) would be a great size for you, IMO.
But the GNU Chromatic would also be a great option – and you might have better luck finding that in a past model. Again the 143cm (237mm waist) would be a great size, IMO.
The Poparazzi would work too – not as good in hard/icy as Emoticon and Chromatic but pretty good. The 144cm (234mm waist) would be your best bet. Pushing it too narrow, but you’d probably be fine.
Hopefully you can find one of those in a past model. But let me know if you want some more options and I can dig deeper. There would certainly be a lot more options in something that’s more of an intermediate level and I can give you some of those, if you need.
Those were the three I was looking at as well, and you are absolutely right about not finding the emoticon in past models, but I was able to find the GNU chromatic. And thank you for the size rec, i would have gone with something too long!
So, you’ve got me thinking about how the freestyle boards are not as good in powder. I think my priority might be powder (just something decent, so i can have fun in it without struggling too much) over park ability since that is just something I would like to dip my toes in.
And i am definitely open to intermediate board options, as long as you think it’s a board that will help improve my confidence a bit, and still help me progress!
Thanks so much for your help!
Hi Sarah
Ideally to improve confidence a beginner board. An intermediate board will be slightly more difficult to get going on, but doable.
If you’re going to be riding in powder a fair bit and that’s something that you’d like to do more, then an all-mountain board might be the way to go. They’re still something that you can ride freestyle on, but they are better in powder. Not as good for more freestyle aspects as an all-mountain-freestyle but still can do it (all-mountain board are what I consider to be do-it-all boards – they don’t do any one thing amazingly, but they do everything above average).
If you do want to look at an all-mountain board good for beginners, and also good in icy conditions, then I think the:
~ Rossignol Fremeny 144
Could work. But note, it is more of an intermediate level board.
That said, the Chromatic won’t be like super-hard to ride in powder. Just if you get in any real deep powder it will be harder to keep the nose afloat than with more all-mountain boards. But if you did go Chromatic, you could, if you think you’d make the effort, set the bindings back, when you get fresh powder, which would help.
Hope this helps and let me know if you would like any other suggestions.
Hey Nate!
So I haven’t been able to find any older GNU chromatics in the length I need. I keep coming across the Rossignol Tesla at a good price point and was wondering your opinion on that board?
Otherwise I keep going back to the Emoticon since it seems like an overall great choice, especially considering it seems like a board that can stay with me through progression, and I assume it has good resale value since I can’t seem to find older models anywhere! Lol
Let me know what you think of the Tesla.
Thanks!!!!
Hi Sarah
The Tesla is what I would consider more of a freestyle board. Certainly a good beginner board and was in this list last season (but they aren’t making a 2019 model – which is probably one of the reasons it’s going for a good price). Would certainly be a great option for improving confidence but less suitable as something for all-mountain and riding in powder, once you’ve progressed a bit no it. Wouldn’t be a bad option at all for right now, but might be something that you grow out of relatively quickly. That said, if you were happy to upgrade it’s the kind of board you could keep as a park board, and upgrade to a board more suitable for all-mountain.
The Emoticon is a solid choice, IMO. Like you say it’s something that you can progress with and is still suitable for a higher ability level. It’s all-mountain-freestyle, in my books, so it’s not going to be amazing in deep powder, but certainly doable for powder days – just going to take a bit more effort on your back leg, compared to something more powder suitable.
But overall, a solid choice, IMO, and great in icy conditions.
Hey, Nate!
I was also wondering what you thought of the Capita Paradise for me. Is that too advanced of a board?
Also the GNU Gloss is one that keeps popping up in my search.
From what I have read these both are supposed to be All Mountain, just not sure how advanced as well as what you thought about these.
Thanks so much for all your help, it makes deciding much less overwhelming!
Hi Sarah
The Paradise is what I would consider an intermediate level board, but I would say it’s suitable for someone just entering the intermediate phase and maybe even high-end beginner. So not ideal for beginners but not terrible either. The biggest downside for you though, is that it’s not as good in icy conditions as the others we’ve discussed. It’s what I would consider an all-mountain-freestyle board (it’s still a twin and has a centered reference stance) but it’s a little better in powder than the average all-mountain-freestyle board. If I had a category between all-mountain-freestyle and all-mountain, that’s where I would put it.
Funnily enough the Gloss is also something that’s kind of in between all-mtn-freestyle and all-mtn. The reason for this is that it has a directional twin shape – but it still has a centered stance. But you could always set it back on powder days. But yeah again, something that’s going to be better in powder than your average all-mountain-freestyle board. It is what I would consider a low-level intermediate board, but again, it’s not a bad choice as a beginner option. A little more advanced than the Chromatic, but still doable. And better in icy conditions. I would go for this over the Paradise for your particular situation.
Hope this makes sense/helps
Hi! Thanks so much for answering all these questions!
I am looking to buy my first snowboard. I have been out to Colorado a few times as well as up northeast, but always with a couple years gap in between. I can link turns, and was doing blues but last time i went northeast i found i was catching edges quite a bit, so i would say i am closer to a beginner. I am 5’7” and around 112 lbs, and i think around a size 8 boot.
I am looking for a board that can go all over the mountain, but also handle icy conditions, and i would like to try some park features in the future too! So maybe an All Mountain freestyle?
Any board and size recommemdations of models a couple years older if it will save money?
Appreciate any help!
Hi Nate,
My son is 13, 110lbs size 9 men’s boot, he just purchased the Rossi Myth board (#5 on your list, the one that is pictured) at a big ski sale. We didn’t realize until now that it’s a women’s board. Does that matter?? he’s been snowboarding for 2 seasons.
Hi Shyla
Thanks for your message.
The only issue I can see is going to be the width. With size 9 boots, it might be too narrow for him. Which size did you get. I would imagine that only the 154 would be suitable width-wise, and even then would be pushing it too narrow. And the 154 is probably too long for him. But if you can let me know his height, then I can make a more accurate length recommendation. But at 110lbs I would imagine the 154 would be too long – and a 240mm waist is the bare minimum I would recommend for size 9s – and only then assuming he rides with +15/-15, or similar binding angles.
Otherwise no issues being a women’s board, but I would be concerned about the width.
Hope this helps
Hi! Thanks so much for answering all these questions!
I am looking to buy my first snowboard. I have been out to Colorado a few times as well as up northeast, but always with a couple years gap in between. I can link turns but last time i went northeast i found i was catching edges quite a bit, so i would say i am closer to a beginner. I am 5’7” and around 112 lbs, and i think around a size 8 boot.
I am looking for a board that can go all over the mountain, but also handle icy conditions, and i would like to try some park features in the future too!
Any board and size recommemdations?
Appreciate it!!
Hi Nate,
Great information! I’m looking to start snowboarding this winter and I’m looking at the following boards:
K2 First Lite
Rossignol Gala
Arbor Poparazzi
I’m 5’4″ and 150 pounds. I’m a little confused as to the length that I should get, as the weights cross over one another in the different sizes.
Thanks for all the great information on your site.
Michele
Hi Michele
Thanks for your message.
I don’t pay too much attention to weight recommendations. They’re helpful as rough guidelines but there’s too much variance in them, like you say.
For you, as a beginner, I would be looking at anything from a 145 to 148. So for the boards that you’re looking at, I would say:
First Lite: 146
Gala: 146
Poparazzi: 147
Hope this helps
Thanks, Nate! This was very helpful. Also, your website is a wealth of information. Thanks for putting this together.
Michele
You’re very welcome Michele. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hey Nate! What’s your view on the Burton Yeasayer for a beginner? Very shallow but I love the design and the only difference i really see vs the Stylus is that it’s slighty stiffer?
Hi Anna
Thanks for your message.
The Burton Yeasayer isn’t too different from the Stylus. Flex is one of them but there are a couple of other differences. These are the main differences from what I can see:
1. The Yeasayer is a little stiffer but still a beginner friendly flex
2. The Yeasayer has a more aggressive feeling effective edge to contact length ratio. This is getting quite technical but essentially the Stylus has a high effective edge to contact length ratio and that same ratio on the Yeasayer is quite low. A higher ratio typically means a more forgiving ride, with a smoother slower response. A lower ratio is typically a more edgy, sharper turning feel. The effective edge to contact length ratio is only one factor that effects the feel though – camber profile, stiffness, sidecut etc
3. The sidecut on the Yeasayer is a different radius – though they’re not massively different – but this also affects the feel.
So, the main thing that makes the Stylus a better beginner board, IMO, is that effective edge to contact length ratio (i don’t usually mention this in my review because a. this info isn’t available for every board and b. it can be a bit confusing.
>>See more on effective edge here
What that means in practical terms is that the Stylus is a reasonable beginner option, but not ideal. The Stylus would be easier to learn on for sure, but the Yeasayer certainly wouldn’t be the worst beginner board choice.
Hope this makes sense/helps
Hi Nate!
I started snowboarding last year on rented boards and we’ve decided to dive in and buy our own gear. I’m having a but of a conundrum though picking a board….I’m 5’5, but weigh 165 and have a size 9 shoe – short and stocky! 🙂 And we live on the east coast, so…ice. Also I have no idea what kind of boarding I prefer, so have been looking at all-mountain because you know, maybe I would like to make a jump or two…
I thought I had it narrowed down to the yes emoticon or the GNu B-Nice (not listed here) but then I started looking at sizes and got SUPER confused and discouraged…
What are your thoughts on length vs. height/weight/flex for a beginner? Do I look for something stiffer and short and count on my weight to make it “softer” or do I find something in my weight category but then is it too long for me to control? Should I just quit women’s boards altogether and look at men’s boards?
Hi Debora
Thanks for your message.
In terms of length, I think something between 147 and 150 would be a good length range for you to look at. Weight is an important factor but height (and ability level and riding style) play a part as well, IMO. And as far as weight recommendations go, they are rough guidelines, IMO. Whilst you are likely to be over the weight recommendations for most boards in that length range, I wouldn’t be too concerned about that. As you’ve eluded to, the main thing will be that they will flex softer than what they would for someone lighter on the same board. So, going a little stiffer flexing isn’t a bad idea, but still not too stiff.
Width-wise, with 9s, anything over 240mm at the waist should be safe enough regardless of binding angles. If you already have preferred binding angles and ride with a reasonable angle on the back foot, then you could go narrower than that. I wouldn’t go any wider than 250mm at the waist – and you’re better off, IMO, being closer to the 240mm waist than a 250mm one.
Taking this into account, plus the fact that you’ll see a lot of icy conditions, I would recommend the following:
~ YES Emoticon 149 (241mm waist) – it might feel a little softer than the 4/10 flex rating but not by much – would still be a good flex level, IMO, for you.
~ Rossignol Frenemy 147 (240mm waist) – a little stiffer flexing but will feel softer than the 5/10 rating – and going a little shorter than what you would be on the Emoticon means that it will feel a bit softer again. You could also go 150 for this board, but given the flex, I think the 147 would work well
~ GNU B Nice 148 (238mm waist) – assuming a bit of angle on your back binding, this should be fine width-wise. More freestyle oriented board than all-mountain, IMO, but would certainly be a good beginner/icy condition option
~ GNU Chromatic 149 (241mm waist) – similar to the B Nice but a little more all-mountain oriented, though still mostly freestyle focused – but again a good beginner/icy condition option
Even though GNU rate the Chromatic and B Nice as 5/10 flex, I would say that they’re softer than both the Frenemy and the Emoticon (from my experience with the men’s equivalents of those boards). But they do have higher weight recommendation guidelines.
But no need to look at men’s boards, IMO. There will be some options in that length and width range in men’s boards, but there will be less options in those sizes.
SO yeah, I think you were on the right track looking at the Emoticon and B Nice.
Hope this helps with your decision
AWESOME, thank you so much!!
You’re very welcome!
Hey there
Not sure if you can help or not.. I’m nz based my partner can ski and turns out my four year old is also a better skier than me ? so I’m making it my mission to learn to snowboard next year I’m planning on a week of lessons and it would cost me more to hire a board for a week than it would to buy one I will be a complete beginner And my aim is basically to make it down a green slope without breaking anything by the weeks end I’m reasonably fit bit an old beginner at 30 and 157cm tall shoe size 7.5 weight 70kg I have no knowledge about boards I am not aiming to do jumps etc just make it down a slope in one piece. What kind of board would you recommend long term I’d like to just hit the slopes the reason I ask now is nz is just about to come out of season and I’m looking for next year so can wait for sales I just don’t want to go into a shop “blind” and see you have given some great beginners advice above also dumb question but how will I know what way I will ride goofy or regular? Does it even matter?
Thanks
Nicole
Hi Nicole
Thanks for your message.
Since, it sounds like you aren’t interested in anything freestyle, then I would go for an all-mountain board. Or you could go all-mountain-freestyle, if you don’t think you’ll ride off-piste at all.
So, the:
~ Rossignol Gala
~ K2 First Lite
And
~ YES Emoticon
Would be my picks for you.
Size-wise, as a beginner, for your specs, I would say look in the range 143-145 for length.
For width, anything between 235mm and 244mm at the waist should work fine (assuming US7.5 boots).
So for the boards mentioned that would be:
Gala: 146 (234mm waist)
First Lite: 146 (236mm waist)
Emoticon: 143cm (237mm waist)
In terms of goofy and regular check out the following for some ways to determine your preferred stance direction.
How To Tell if You Should Snowboard Goofy or Regular
But for choosing a board, you won’t need to know. A large majority of boards can be ridden both regular and goofy – there are only some specialized boards that are specific, but you won’t be looking at those.
Hope this helps
Hi, I have some trouble deciding which board is suitable for me.
I’m 166cm, 50kg, shoes 23.5 – 24cm.
What do you think would be suitable for all mountain riding and I’d love to try freestyle when I get better.
Bataleon FeelBetter Snowboard – Women’s 2018 – 138cm
Ride Rapture Women’s 17-18 Model – 139cm
K2 First Lite Womens 2018 – 138cm
I’m also looking for the Rome Royal, but I can’t seem to find anything for my size.
Hi S
Thanks for your message.
I think they would all be suitable and I think those are good lengths for you as a beginner and would be good lengths for riding freestyle once you get better too.
The Rapture and the Feelbetter would be better for freestyle riding once you get there, so they might be the best options. I don’t have any experience with Bataleon boards, so just based on specs there but I think that would be a good width for your shoe size too.
I think you’d be fine with any of those, but yeah, in terms of freestyle, the Feelbetter and Rapture more suited to that than the First Lite, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hey Nate,
Thanks for this awesome website!
I’m having trouble deciding on the right board for me. I have had 10+ knee surgeries between both knees and so I have difficulty putting much power through my legs to make turns, and in general am just limited with my athletic function. Right now, I’m just looking for purely the easiest board out there to ride. I’m not looking to go nuts, just something that will get me on the slopes with my friends for fun. I’m NOT looking for a board that will take me past the “beginner” phase…just something that will be the easiest to link turns, not catch an edge and requires the least amount of effort for my knees!
I have very minimal experience riding, and frankly was horrible 🙂 But I had a ton of fun and would like to continue on! Ha!
Im 5’8, 140lb, size 9-9.5 shoe.
Thanks so much!
Hi Michelle
Thanks for your message.
Given everything you’ve described, I think that something with plenty of rocker in the profile and a pretty soft flex would be a good way to go for you, to make the board as easy going and and as easy to turn as possible.
So, one of the following would work well, IMO:
~ Burton Genie
~ Rossignol Gala
~ Rossignol Myth
~ K2 First Lite
~ GNU Chromatic
~ GNU B-Nice
~ Arbor Ethos
The last 3 aren’t on this list but are definitely also options that I think would suit what you’re looking for.
In terms of length, I would say something between 146 and 149 would be a good length for your specs. This is both a good beginner size and also should make the board a little more easy going than if you were to go longer.
In terms of width, I’d say (assuming 9.5 boots) something around 238mm to 245mm in terms of waist width. Since you’re probably not going to be railing turns (getting really low and getting the board on an extreme angle) then there’s less concern about boot drag. And you don’t want to go too wide as a narrower board requires less force to turn on. You could even go lower than 238mm depending on your binding angles. But that’s a good range to look at IMO regardless of binding angles.
So for the boards mentioned, the following sizes would be the way to go, IMO:
~ Burton Genie 147 (243mm waist)
~ Rossignol Gala 146 (234mm waist) – on the narrower side, but assuming your back binding angle is going to on a bit of angle, then I think it would be fine.
~ Rossignol Myth 149 (238mm waist) – or if you really wanted it easy going you could go for the 144, but that would be getting on the short side for you, IMO
~ K2 First Lite 146 (236mm waist)
~ GNU Chromatic 146 (238mm waist)
~ GNU B-Nice 148 (238mm waist)
~ Arbor Ethos 147 (235.5mm waist)
Hope this helps
Nate, you’re a LEGEND!!
Thank you so much. This gives me great direction to start my search.
You’re very welcome Michelle. Let me know what you go with in the end (if you think of it)
Hi Nate,
I’m really glad that I found this wonderful website. All the information here is super helpful and than you for sharing your experience with everyone here!
This is my second season snowboarding in Australia icy mountains. After reading the reviews and advice above, I’ve decided to give up on hiring and get my own board.
I’m still a beginner and don’t fancy fast speed. Just want to minimize falls and enjoy cruising along the trails. My stats are: 5’4, 106lb, and shoe size US6.
It took me a long time to find something suitable. So far I’ve got my eyes on a Roxy Sugar Banana 138 (226cm width) board with Burton Citizen Binding and Burton Coco boots. Do you think they will fit together, and more importantly, is this the right board for me, in your opinion?
Joey
Hi Joey
Thanks for your message.
I think you must have done your research, because I think that would be a great board for you as a beginner, and would also be a really good size for you too. It’s also something that should be good in icy conditions, so you’ve got that base covered too.
It’s a looser feeling board and if you were riding it fast it would start to feel a little squirelly and being looser and softer flexing wouldn’t grip ice or hard snow as well at higher speeds, but at slower speeds, it’s a great option – and super friendly and easy to ride.
The Citizen bindings and Coco boots are a good match for the board too, and are also very beginner friendly.
Another similar option board-wise, would be the GNU B-Nice 139cm (226mm waist).
Thank you so much for your reply Nate!
I’ll look into GNU B-NICE and read your review about it, just in case I decide to ride faster 😉
Can’t wait for the next snow season to come!
Best regards
Joey:)
You’re very welcome Joey! I’m itching for the new season too!
Hi Nate,
This is such a helpful post for all us newbies. Thanks so much for taking the time to help everyone out. I have narrowed down my choices to what I think would be ok and what I can order on the net for a reasonable price as choice is limited where I live and super expensive. We have just gone for our first season with the kids and things went well so we plan to go each year for a week and want to get our own boards as our hire ones were pretty awful, really heavy and rigid, didn’t even have a brand name on them…haha. We are in Australia so conditions are generally not wonderful, pretty hard and sometimes icy patches, however we will be going at the start of the season each year so probably not as hard as it could be with plenty of man made snow probable. We did three 2 hour lessons over 3 days and were both starting to link S turns on the beginner slopes. I think our progression was quite good for the time we had so I don’t want to get boards that won’t last us. I am 54kg(119lb) and 161cm(5.3ft), USW 6.5 boot. I think I’ll mostly just be cruising down the green and blue runs, at my age the halfpipe is definitely never going to happen or any aerial type stuff for that matter, however I don’t want to rule out mucking around in the beginner parks and kiddie parks, buttering etc. So I have narrowed it down to the myth, first lite or frenemy if 144 wasn’t to big. What are your thoughts? Anything you think would suit me better? My husband is 77kg(170lb), 175cm(5.75ft) and size US9, he was only just starting to get his turns, and is not as sporting or daring so he will be happy just cruising down runs, It’s very unlikely he will go to the terrain parks. I have found a rossi circuit or k2 standard that are reasonably priced or a rossi templar that is a bit more expensive. Would these be suitable and what size? Sorry about the long post, and thanks in advance for your help.
Hi Xanthe
Thanks for your message.
1. For you in terms of size, I think something around 141, 142 would be a good size for you. A balance between something that won’t be too difficult to ride/progress on, something that you can still do some mucking around in the parks on, but also long enough to still be a suitable length once you’re more advanced.
2. In terms of icy conditions, Rossignol is usually pretty good in that area, but the Myth is one that’s not as good. The Frenemy would be the best bet in that sense. The First Lite similar to the Myth.
3. But the Myth would be better for playing in the park.
4. The Frenemy is the most advanced of those boards and might have a slightly steeper learning curve, but will be the best board in terms of keeping something for the long term. You would be more likely to feel the need to upgrade from something like the Myth and the First Lite.
5. The one thing with the Frenemy is the size. The 144 would be on the longer side for you as a beginner. Not un-doable and would be a great length as a more advanced rider but would just make it more challenging in the beginning.
6. Also the Frenemy 144 might be on the wider side for your boots too – and that width combined with the length makes in on the big side overall. The First Lite 142 is probably the best size-wise of the 3. I would try to get something that’s under 235mm at the waist.
7. Some other options that I think would work well would be:
~ GNU B Nice 142 (232mm waist width)
~ GNU Chromatic 141 (232mm waist width) – didn’t have either of these on the 2018 list, but will likely be adding at least one of them for the 2019 list – good beginner decks and good in hard/icy conditions
~ YES Emotiocn 143 (237mm) – also on the bigger side for you, IMO, like the Frenemy, but otherwise ticks all the boxes
Not sure how these would work in terms of your budget. Oh and there’s one more option, the Arbor Ethos 141 (232mm waist). Also something that isn’t on this list but I hadn’t tested Arbor boards previously. I think this would be a good option, if available for you, and its reasonably priced too.
For your husband:
1. Length-wise something around a 155 would be a good bet.
2. Again the Templar vs the Circuit is going to be better in hard/icy conditions and is going to be a harder learning curve but ultimately a more advanced board. The Circuit will be easier to ride though and cruisier. Both aren’t overly aggressive but the Templar is closer to intermediate level than the Circuit, which is very much a beginner board. I think the Templar would be doable though, and if you’re looking for that extra grip in icy snow, it’s going to perform better there.
3. Size-wise the 155 (249mm waist) Templar would be a great size. For the other 2 – the Circuit 155 (249mm waist) and the K2 Standard 155 (251mm waist).
4. The Standard would be similar, IMO, to the Circuit in terms of edge-hold.
5. The men’s equivalents of the other boards I mentioned for you would be: ]
~ GNU Hyak (154)
~ GNU Carbon Credit (153)
~ YES Basic (155)
~ Arbor Foundation (155)
Though the GNU options are more freestyle oriented, so probably less suitable if he’s not likely to get into the park at all.
Sorry for all the numbering – just trying to organize my thoughts! Hope this gives you more to go off.
Hi Nate,
Thanks so much for the detailed response. I have had a look at your suggestions and I do like the look of the 2 GNU boards, they seem like a good fit. Hard to get though, all the 2018 B nice are sold out already from anywhere I can order them from and the 2019 pre orders are crazy expensive. I found a 2017 B Nice Asym for $580 though and a 2019 Chromatic for $590 still more than I’d like but acceptable if it’s going to be something that will last. Would one be more suitable than the other? The mens were pretty expensive so I went back and had another look at your list, specifically the ones that mention icy surfaces, I can get a yes libre for a pretty reasonable price. Do you think that would be better than the others?
Thanks, Xanthe
Hi Xanthe
The B Nice and the Chromatic are very similar boards. The B Nice is an asym board (which basically means that the sidecut on the heel edge is different to that on the toe edge, which just makes heel edge turns sharper). I like asym boards, but some people aren’t as into them. But that’s basically the only difference. In fact the Chromatic essentially used to be called the B Nice and the current (2018 and 2019 models) B Nice was called the B Nice Asym, 2017 and previous. So they are the same except for that asymmetry and slightly different sizings.
Also I did see the GNU Chromatic 2018 here – GNU Chromatic at Melbourne Snowboards – for AUD$519 in a 141.
The Libre would be a good option for your husband, IMO. The 154 would be the size I would go with for him. The 156 would be doable too, but the 154 would be what I’d get. Not quite as good in hard/icy conditions as the YES Basic and the YES Typo – but still pretty grippy in those conditions, so still suitable, IMO.
Hi Nate, thanks so much. I did like the idea behind an asym board but that b nice was actually out of stock as well so it looks like it will be the chromatic. I did see that 2018 model but I just couldn’t get past the graphic, petty, but I just really disliked it. I saw If I get it from their ebay store it’s down to $570, so not bad. Just wondering though since I have zero experience with different profiles if that profile makes one footing on and off the lifts Difficult? Would I still be able to just slide off ok with my back foot half on the board? The board i used was flat, so very stable.
The libre looks good as do all 3 yes boards you mentioned so he’ll probably get that, unless we can get a discount on the yes basic. Perhaps we can get a discount buying both and get a basic and emoticon, the reviews for both I’ve seen have been very good. Anyway, your assistance has been very much appreciated, can’t wait to get them and get back out there. Have a great weekend, Xanthe
You’re very welcome!
I agree that the graphic on the 2019 Chromatic is a big improvement over the 2018 one! Glad they changed that.
In terms of one camber profile on the Chromatic/B-Nice, it is a looser feel with that rocker between the feet. You can certainly still get that back foot half off the board to stabilize yourself, at least I’ve found that’s still doable. But it will take some getting used to – not as stable as something that’s flat underfoot or camber under foot, in terms of getting on/off lifts – but you should still be able to get that back boot into the snow to help to stabilize.
Hope you have a great weekend too!
Hi Nate,
I love your info, thanks for posting again/updating from last year.
I’d appreciate your advice please. I’m into my fourth year of annual snow trips & want to snowboard as i don’t feel I’ll be able to progress much past intermediate as a skier and worry about my knees. I did an hour snowboard lesson last year and am keen to jump in! I’m confused with what board to get but am happy to buy my own to build up with… I’m 45, 173cm & 93kg so am really confused by length as my height makes them bigger despite my lack of skill and my weight is outside the specs. I just want to get more confident & comes Trent but only do 5-10 days per season on groomed trails…
I’d really appreciate your advice as I think the Myth may be best but don’t know about the Rome royal or even burton genie ?♀️
Cheers
Kelly
Hi Kelly
Thanks for your message.
As a more advanced rider I would say something around 157 would be a good length to go with for your specs, but since you are at a more beginner level, that would be too long, IMO. I would say to look at something more around 152 to 154.
In terms of weight recommendations, I wouldn’t be too concerned about being outside of those, they are just general guidelines, IMO. Your weight counts towards your length of board, but as far as fitting in with those weight recommendations, I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Especially the case with Rossignol, whose weight recommendations tend to be on the light side. The main thing with the weight recommendations is that the board is likely to flex more than what the flex rating of the board is. For example, if the board has a flex rating of 4/10, it might feel more like a 3/10 if you’re over the weight recommendations or more like a 5/10 if you’re under the weight recommendations.
I don’t think there is really a suitable Rome Royal, though if you really wanted something shorter you could get on the 150. For the Myth, the 154 would be the best bet, IMO and for the Genie, the 152.
You could also look at something like the Rossignol Frenemy 153. It’s a little stiffer flexing than the other 2, but is likely to feel a little softer than its rating. And depending on your boot size, the Emoticon 152 might be a good option.
Speaking of boot size, if you could let me know your boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of boot size yet), then I can just check to make sure what will be suitable in terms of the widths of the board.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
Thanks so much for your response & great info/opinions! What you say makes sense & covers stuff I haven’t thought about 🙂
I can’t remember if my hire boots were a 26.5 or 27.5… my shoe is a size 10 (Australian) which I think is a US 8 or 9 and European 41 or 42 (sorry I’m on a train at the moment & these shoes don’t have a tag).
I look forward to your response 🙂
Cheers
Kelly
Thanks Kelly
As far as I can workout, I’d say you’re likely a USwomen’s 9.5 or 10.0 (26.5 or 27.0). Playing on the safe side, let’s say 27 (Us women’s 10.0).
In that case, anything from a 238mm waist width should be fine assuming you’re riding with a reasonable angle on your back foot, but more like 243mm minimum if you’re riding with a completely straight back foot. As you’re probably not sure of your preferred binding angles, then the safest bet would be:
~ Burton Genie 152 (244mm waist)
~ YES Emoticon 152 (252mm waist)
~ Rossignol Frenemy 153 (242mm waist)
You would likely still be fine on the Myth 154 (240mm waist) but it would be more of a risk of being too narrow.
Hope this gives you more to go off
HeyNate,
Wow, thanks so much for all the info. I certainly feel more prepared to buy my own and will focus on your rec’s. Your time & experise are much appreciated!
Cheers
Kelly
You’re very welcome Kelly! Thanks for visiting the site and I hope your gear treats you well and you have a great season!
Hi Nate,
Just wanted to let you know I got the Frenemy 153 & LOVE it. Thankyou for you advice/opinion. In just 7 days I went from barely being able to skate on it & not having a heel side to linking turns on intermediate runs!!!
Please keep up your great work 🙂
You’re very welcome Kelly. Awesome that you’re loving your new board and sounds like your progressing nicely!
Hi, I’ve been riding for a few years but still struggle on my toe edge, balance and confidence.
I put on some weight since last season and unsure what board size I am now.
I am 167cm and around 80 kg I wear a size 8.5 boot.
I have been riding a burton feather 144cm.
Thank yoy
Hi Amy
Thanks for your message.
Typically I would say something around 151 to 153, but since you’re used to a 144, then I think you could go a little shorter than that, so that its not too much of a transition. But something a little longer than the 144 you’re on would be a good idea, IMO. Maybe around 148 to 150, would be a good size to look at.
That longer length might help in terms of balance too. But I would say that balance and confidence mostly come with time – particularly confidence. Taking small steps and not trying anything too difficult too quickly can definitely help with confidence.
Often the toe edge is the most difficult to get comfortable with to start with – but often ends up the preferred edge at some point. Again, this comes with time. But also make sure that you’re bending your knees enough when on your toe edge – this is something that’s often forgotten on the toe edge – being too upright.
Hope this helps
And, since I have you, can you tell me the difference between the Deja Vu and Feelgood Flying V?
Thanks!
AS
Hey Anna
There’s not heaps of difference – both have Flying V camber profiles, both have the same core, both have a 12.5mm setback. But there are a few differences too – the main ones being, IMO.
1. The Feelgood Flying V is a little stiffer flexing. Still not that stiff, more medium but a little stiffer than Deja Vu. Deja Vu stiffer than the likes of the Feather and Genie though. I would say roughly on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the stiffest, that the Feelgood Flying V = 5/10, De Ja Vu = 4/10, Genie and Feather = 2/10.
2. The Feelgood is a directional twin. It has the same width nose and tail and the flex is twin, but the nose is a little longer than the tail. The Deja Vu on the other hand is a twin. I wouldn’t quite say it’s a true twin, because the stance is 12.5mm setback.
3. The Flying V has a much smaller difference between the effective edge and the contact length (don’t worry you don’t need to understand that technically!) than the Deja Vu – basically what this does is give the Deja Vu a more easy going, playful feel and the Flying V has a sharper, more aggressive feel. Still not an overly aggressive board by any means, but more so than the Deja Vu
4. The Flying V (152) has a 7.6m sidecut and the Deja Vu a 6.9m sidecut radius. This essentially means that the Deja Vu is more inclined towards shorter sharper turns and the Flying V more inclined towards longer smoother turns. This is very subtle though and neither sidecuts are to the extreme in either direction. Both are middle of the road providing a balance between short sharp and long smooth – so I wouldn’t think too much about that.
Overall, the Deja Vu is just a little more freestyle oriented and a little more playful, whereas the feelgood is a little more freeride oriented and a little more aggressive. However, both are what I would consider all-mountain (aka do-it-all) boards and both are closer to the middle of the spectrum rather than extremes. They are different boards, but subtely different. The Flying V is a little more advanced and a the Deja Vu a little more beginner friendly – but again, both are intermediate friendly.
Probably more than you need to know! But hope this gives you some insight for your decision. But yeah, based on your current board, and other factors, I would say 152 for either one, now.
Hi Nate – just an update! I went with the 152 Feelgood Flying V and after a handful of trips this season can tell you that I love it. It is SO much easier to handle than the old, super long Burton Seven I was riding, and I am riding so much faster and more confidently while still feeling in control. I am almost astounded at what a difference the right board can make, I had no idea how much it was holding me back. Thank you for all of your help!
Hi Annie
That’s awesome to hear! Love to get messages like this. Thanks for the update and hope you enjoy the rest of your season!
Hi Nate,
I am so glad I found this thread! Your article is incredibly helpful. I am an intermediate beginner – I’ve been riding for two seasons, am working my way from blues to blue/blacks, can link turns pretty effectively but am still getting comfortable on the steeps. I ride mostly at Mammoth.
I’ve been riding on my boyfriend’s Burton board from when he was a teenager – it’s about 15 years old. We are in discussions about whether or not I need to invest in a new one – I feel like it might be holding me back (maybe it’s too stiff?? probably I need a women’s board??), and he thinks that it won’t make much of a difference. What are your thoughts?
I’ve been looking at the Burton Feather, but it looks like you don’t recommend that too highly. I am 5’8″, 150 lb, size 10 boots. I plan to ride mostly on groomers, but would love for powder to be an option. I don’t care as much about going fast as being stable 🙂
Would LOVE some advice!
Hi Annie
Thanks for your message.
IMO a 15 year old board most probably is holding you back – for starters it’s likely to be a full camber, camber profile – as they all were back then – which isn’t necessarily the best camber profile – especially if you’re not at an advanced level, and if you want to ride powder. I know a lot of people’s argument is that “that’s all there was then and people learned on it then and rode powder then…..” and that’s all well and good but if you got better tech now and gear that’s more suitable for the particular rider, then, IMO, why not take advantage of that and enhance your experience. Just my take anyway.
In my own experience and with others I’ve found boards for, both personally and whilst running this site, I can unequivocally say that the board can make a big difference. Especially if you haven’t learned from before you can remember learning.
Size also makes a big difference, and it might be the case that your current board is also not an ideal size.
For your specs and ability level, and the fact that you’re not too concerned about going fast, but do want to improve on steeper terrain, then I’d say something around 149 to 151 would be a good length for you.
With 10s, I think you could get away with anything as narrow as 240mm at the waist width (if you ride with binding angles like +15/-15, i.e. a reasonable angle on the back foot) and up to around 248mm – if you ride with quite a straight back foot (e.g. 0-3 degrees), then adjust that minimum to around 245mm and up to 253mm.
I would say that the Feather is a pretty good beginner’s choice, especially if you’re looking to get into powder. It’s kind of like a more freeride/powder oriented version of the Genie – not completely but pretty close – so yeah a good beginner’s choice. And I think it would suit your style. But, given that it sounds like you’re progressing more into an intermediate level and you’re looking to up your skills on more challenging terrain, you might want something a little more advanced. If you just want the easiest board to ride, then something like the Feather (in the 149 I would say, though the 152 would be an option too – however both would be pushing being too narrow for your boots).
But I think you’d appreciate a step up to something like the DeJa Vu (149) or Feelgood Flying V (149), if you were looking to stick with Burton.
And if you’re going to look outside of Burton, then something like the Rossi Frenemy (the 150) is a great do-it-all intermediate board – or the Never Summer Infinity 151 (though the later might be on the narrow side too, but you’d probably get away with it depending on your binding angles).
Anyway, after that novel!, I hope you have some options/ideas on the direction to go. If you want more options just let me know and I can dig a little deeper.
You are amazing – thank you for the extensive reply! I definitely want a board I won’t grow out of quickly, I’m thinking the Deja Vu is a better option. I’m not at all tied to Burton, but that sounds like what I’m looking for.
I’m a little worried about getting the length right – my legs are super long. Should I size up to a 152 to accommodate a pretty wide stance, or will that be harder to control?
I appreciate your feedback, I’m sure it’s not easy to virtually fit people, but it’s so great to have some expert advice 🙂
Thanks Anna and you’re very welcome!
The 152 is definitely an option, especially if you have a wider stance.
There are pros and cons to going longer. The longer 152 will float better in powder and provide more stability at speed but won’t be as agile or easier to maneuver as the 149. However, if you do have a wider stance, then that would help with control for the 152.
Also the 149 would be better for more freestyle things if you were going to get into jumps, spins, rails etc.
I was debating whether to put 152 or 149 as the recommended size as both would work. There are pros and cons to each. My tie breaker for going with the 149 was down to Burton’s weight recommendations (120 – 180lbs for the 149 and 150 to 200lbs for the 152). I don’t put too much weight into those weight recommendations (they aren’t that reliable, IMO) but in this case I used it as the tie breaker.
Hope this gives you more to go off to decide. Also, what is the length of the board you are currently riding? (what you’re used to can also help to decide)
A little bit of research later – I’ve been riding on a 2001 Burton Seven, 58cm.
…probably not super ideal 😉
Hey Anna
Nah, not really ideal!
But since you’ve been riding a 158, I think the 152 Deja Vu would be the best option. It will be less of a change and also, if you’re maneuvering a 158 Cambered board, then I don’t think you’ll have any agility/maneuverability issues with the Deja Vu in a 152, at all.
Hi Nate,
Thank you so much for all of your information on this website!
I am a new beginner, 5’4″, 130-135 lbs and size 9 boots. I am thinking I want a board in the 143-145 length?
My concern is that with the size 9 boots some of the boards I would like will not be wide enough (such as the Gala or Myth). What do you think about the 2017 Rome Heist in 142 or 146? I understand it is more beginner friendly than the 2018 version. Do you have any other board suggestions for me? I am having trouble trying to pick something. Thank you for your time.
Lili
Hi Lili
Thanks for your message.
I would agree that something around 143 to 145 would be a good length range to look at for you.
In terms of width, I would say at least 240mm at the waist, if you ride with a straight angle on your back binding (e.g. 0-6 degrees). If you ride with more angle on your back binding you could get away with narrower – down to a minimum of 232mm with something like a 15 degree angle (back foot should always be on an equal or lesser angle than the front foot, which is why I mention the back binding angle).
So you may or may not get on some boards in that length, like the Myth or Gala, depending on your binding angles. If you’re not sure about your binding angles yet, or still want to experiment, then going with at least 240mm at the waist is a good way to go.
The 2017 Heist is a softer than the 2018 model as far as I know but it’s still relatively aggressive in terms of it’s camber profile (a lot of camber in there). I think if you went back to the 2015 model, where it had more rocker in the profile, it would have been more beginner friendly, but the 2016, 2017 & 2018 models, as far as I know would be harder to learn on – easy to catch an edge.
But you could look at something like:
~ Burton Genie 142 (241mm waist) – a little shorter than that range but still doable
~ YES Emoticon 143 (237mm waist) – depending on binding angles – or the 146 if you were happy to go a little longer
~ Rossi Tesla 143 (236mm waist) – again depending on binding angles
~ Rossi Myth 144 (236mm waist) – again depending on binding angles
~ Rome Royal 144 (244mm waist)
~ GNU Chromatic 143 (237mm waist) – not on this list but another good beginner option
~ Arbor Ethos 144 (234mm waist) – narrower but, based on the men’s Arbor boards, Arbor boards tend to be wider at the inserts (where the bindings go) compared to the waist width than a lot other boards – so you may be ok on it – but I would still probably want to have some angle on that back binding
Hope this gives you some options
Dear Nate,
Thanks for these great reviews!
I would like to ask for some advice on the board length. I would like to buy a beginners woman snowboard and was thinking of the K2 First Lite because of the great reviews. I think I should have the 146 based on the table on your website and the other comments I have seen here and that I’m a beginner. I am 1.71 cm, 59 kg and have a shoe size 38.5-39 EU (7.5-8 US size). For example, Salomon boots (25.0 cm) fitted me well. Would this board be the correct size for me?
As an alternative I was also thinking of the Rome SDS Royal (147cm), but I think the K2 First Lite would be better as it is a softer board and saw online that others also recommended it as beginner’s board.
Would all the top 5 recommend beginner bindings fit well on this board?
Thank you very much in advance!
Hi Annabel
Thanks for your message.
I concur that the 146 would be the best length for you for the First Lite, IMO.
And yeah, all of those bindings would be a good match for this board. The only thing to note, is just to make sure to go for the “Re:Flex” model if you go with Burton bindings. Burton bindings come in both “EST” and “Re:Flex” models. The “EST” models only fits on Burton boards, whereas the “Re:Flex” models fit on all boards.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thank you very much for your help!!! I bought the 146cm K2 First Lite with the K2 Yeah Yeah bindings, can’t wait to try it out next season!
All the best,
Annabel
You’re very welcome Annabel. Glad you have your setup organized for next season! If you think of it (a long time away I know), let me know how you get on. Hope you have a great summer!
Hello, I’m a beginner and I am looking for a snowboard that I can use. I am 5’0”, 150 pounds. I have been snowboarding and I noticed and have been told that I keep switching and will need a true twin broad but I am at a loss of which one to get for my first broad.
I wanted to know which broad would you recommend for me.
Thank you so much for your advice in advance.
Hi Pahola
Thanks for your message (and sorry for the delay in response – have been on vacation and still catching up).
Length wise, as a beginner, I would say something around 142 to 144 would be a good length.
That, and the fact you’re looking for a true twin, I would say the following would be good options.
~ Burton Genie 142
~ YES Emoticon 143
~ Salomon Oh Yeah 143
~ Rossignol Tesla 143
~ Ride Rapture 143
~ Rossignol Myth 144
If you feel like you like something shorter, you could go a little shorter (with some of those options) as personal preference does come into it as well, but those would be the sizes I would recommend for those boards.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
I’m currently a beginner-intermediate snowboarder. I’ve gone snowboarding for the past two winters. This upcoming winter, I plan to go snowboarding more often. I’m currently learning toe edge, and I was wondering what board would best be suited for me?
I am interesting in:
– Capita Paradise
– Rossignol Frenemy
– Rossignol Tesla
– Rossignol Gala
I’m 5’3-5’4, 124 pounds, and a size 8.5 in women’s shoes.
Thank you for your time!
Hi Ashley
Thanks for your message (and sorry for the delay in response – have been on vacation and still catching up!)
Something like the Tesla or the Gala are going to be easier to get started on – and will help you improve the fastest, IMO. The Paradise and Frenemy are boards that will be a little more difficult to begin with (but are still quite beginner friendly) but will be something you could ride as an advanced rider too. The Tesla and Gala are boards that you are more likely to want to upgrade from once you become a more advanced rider.
In terms of size, I would say something around 145, 146 when you are an advanced rider but at this stage I would say something around 141 to 143 would be more appropriate.
So for the boards you are considering the following would be the best sizes, IMO:
– Capita Paradise 143
– Rossignol Frenemy 144
– Rossignol Tesla 143
– Rossignol Gala 142
In terms of width, you should be fine on any of those, depending on your binding angles. If you ride with something like +15/-15 or similar then they’ll all be fine. If you ride with a straighter back foot (e.g. 0-6 degrees), then the Paradise 143 (233mm waist) and the Gala 142 (232mm waist) would be pushing it to be too narrow. The Frenemy 144 (239mm waist) and Tesla 143 (236mm waist) should be fine regardless of binding angles.
Hope this helps
Also, I saw some deals on the Frenemy. I am 5’1” with an athletic build (133 lbs.) would the 144 or 147 be more suitable for me? Based on the table, it looks like 147, but wouldn’t that near the top of my head?
Hi Olivia
I definitely wouldn’t go for the 147 for the Frenemy for you – too big, IMO. I find Rossignol’s weight recommendations to be always on the light side, and the weight recommendations, in my books, are just rough guidelines and other things like ability, riding style and height all weigh in. Generally speaking I would say, as a beginner, that something between 140 and 142 would be a better length for you. If you are athletic, then you could get away with something a little longer (and at a more advanced level, something like 144, 145 would be suitable). So, if you were to go Frenemy, then definitely the 144, IMO.
The Lotus (as per your other question) isn’t what I would consider a great beginner board. Doable – certainly soft enough in terms of flex but it has a flat to camber to flat camber profile. I like to see a bit of rocker in the camber profile, in order to make the board easier to initiate turns on and less likely to catch an edge on – I have found that flat boards can be a little catchy sometimes. If you were to go for the Lotus I’d say the 142 would be a good option for you.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate! Thanks so much for writing this article. This has been the best source of information that I’ve found. What are your thoughts in the Salomon Lotus? Too advanced for a beginner?
Hi Nate!
I’m so happy I came across your post! I’m a complete beginner in snowboarding, but I’m already in love with the sport so much that I’ve been looking into getting my own gear.
I’m at the stage where I’m still practicing my turns/linking them. Both times I’ve gone, I used a 138 board and it seems to work pretty well for me, but I’d still like your opinion on this. I’m a little over 5’4″ and am about 140 pounds (but it fluctuates so give or take 10 pounds).
I was also reading about different board types, and I think that an all mountain/true twin would be appropriate for me. I’d prefer a board that I could use for a while, as in appropriate for both beginner and novice levels.
What board do you think would be a good match for me?
Thanks so much in advance! Your site has made this new sport wayyy more approachable for me! 🙂
Hi Sue
Thanks for your message.
Generally speaking for your specs, I would say something in the range of 144 to 146 would be an appropriate length. But personal preference comes into too – and since you’ve been enjoying your 138, you could go a little shorter from that range. But maybe a little longer than 138 is a good idea. Maybe something between 141 and 144 would be a good range to look at.
Since you’re looking for something that’s all-mountain and true twin, that’s pretty much what an all-mountain freestyle board is. And since you want something that can stay with you for a while, then the following would be good bets, IMO:
~ YES Emoticon 143
~ GNU Chromatic 141
~ GNU B-Nice 142
~ Arbor Ethos 141 (or you could go 138 if you wanted to stick to a more similar length to what you’ve been riding)
~ Arbor Poporazzi 141 (or 138 – a little step up from the Ethos but still doable as a beginner board but Ethos is probably the better option)
~ Rossignol Tesla 143 (or you could go 139 if you wanted to stick to a more similar length to what you’ve been riding)
Hope this helps with your decision and gives you some options
Thanks so much for the help!!
I’ll give all of those a closer look. I’ll let you know which one I choose and how it goes for me!
Hi Sue.
You’re very welcome. Yeah, definitely let me know which you go for and how you get on with it.
Hi Nate! I appreciate your website so much and am so impressed by all the detailed help you offer in the comments. 🙂
After reading your post about the best beginner boots for women, I bought the ThirtyTwo Lashed Double Boas in size 6.5. They are the first boots I’ve tried on that don’t have a crazy amount of heel lift out of the box, so I am sold on them! Now I am wondering about investing in a board and bindings and would love your input.
I’ve taken 3 lessons and am on my way to linking turns pretty well. I am comfortable on both heel and toe side, and I think my confidence / control on toe side will improve when using my own boots that aren’t insanely packed out like the rentals I’ve used were. I have rented 130 and 146 boards (neither of which were sizes I picked myself), and neither one felt great. The 146 was way too fast for my first day, and the 130 felt a little too wiggly underfoot (though a better speed) if that makes sense.
I’m 5’1″ and ~120lbs. Since I’m a beginner, I have been playing around with riding switch before I get too stuck in the habit of regular or goofy and would therefore like to buy something that’s a true twin. I also noted that board / bindings flex should match boots, so I have been considering the Rossignol Tesla, Capita Paradise, and Yes Emoticon (though the last one is hard to find online right now). I don’t anticipate getting into park riding at this point; I’d really just like to take advantage of all the long runs we have in Colorado. Any recommendations on size for those boards or if there are other boards I should consider?
Thanks in advance for your help and for all you do on this site!
Hi Amy
Thanks for your message.
Your instinct is good in terms of sizing. 130 is definitely too short and 146 is definitely too long – not sure what they were thinking giving you those sizes! I would say that a good range to look at, at this stage would be 138 to 140. Unfortunately that writes off the Emoticon and Paradise at this stage. At a more advanced level something around 142, 143 would become an option – but as a beginner, that’s getting a bit long for your specs, IMO.
The Tesla 139 would be a great option for you though, given that you want to learn to ride switch and it’s a good size for you, and a good match with the 32 Lashed. And a suitable width.
Some other options would be:
~ GNU B-Nice 139 (226mm waist width) – a quite narrow board but should be fine for 6.5s as long as you ride with your back binding on a reasonable angle (i.e. 9 to 15 degrees) and it might be a good idea to ride with something like +15/-15 or +12/-12 at least to start with if you’re looking to learn riding in both directions
~ GNU Chromatic 141 (232mm waist) – a little longer than the range we discussed, but doable
~ Roxy Ally 139 (232mm waist)
Hope this helps
Hey Nate! Thanks for your help and affirmation that those boards were definitely not the right size for me. Good to hear you think the Tesla 139 is a strong option, too, as it was top of my list for price point and features. I ordered it on Sunday and will be taking it out this weekend. Thanks again for your help!!
–Amy
You’re very welcome Amy. Let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to ride it.
hi Nate , I am a beginner snowboarder have only ridden once however im wanting to get into it more so i’m looking to buy the ‘k2 first lite snowboard’ but am unsure as to which size board I should buy, I am 170cm tall and 58kg. I was also wondering if you had any recommendations as to which bindings and and maybe boots would be best suited for me and this board. it would be great if you could help me out thanks so much 🙂
Hi Nicki
Thanks for your message.
For you for the First Lite, the 146 would be your best option, IMO. I’d say anything between 144 and 146, generally speaking. You could also go 142, if you wanted, but the 146 would be the best, IMO.
In terms of bindings and boots, check out the following for some ideas:
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
>>My Top Women’s Beginner Boots
But let me know if you need more options.
Hope this helps
helps so much thank you!! your website is great 🙂
You’re very welcome Nicki! Thanks for using the website
Hi Nate,
My name is Yuuri. i would like to hear your advice to choose the board n bindings ~
I choose to do snowboarding because it more easy to control the speed compare to Ski( Ski go too fast for me?)
At the moment I can do ok going left n right by facing front only and slow down by pushing on heels. Still having trouble ( scares) to go on toes edge for turning direction.
I live in France near Mont Blanc. The station I usually go it’s always Icy /hard. Im 158cm tall and weight 55kg. Can you please recommend me anything good to build up my confidence ? My next target it’s to learn turning with toes edge ?
I had been falling tooooooo much because of the Icy floor and my arms had bruises n pain for 2weeks?.
Thanks in advance !!!
Hi Yuuri
Thanks for your message.
In terms of size, as a beginner, I think something in the range between 138 and 140 would be a good length range to look at.
And since you want something that’s good in hard/icy conditions, I would recommend the following:
~ GNU B-Nice 139 – just note that this has a rather narrower waist width (226mm) so this will depend on boot size
~ GNU Chromatic 141 – a little longer than our range but still doable
~ Roxy Ally 139
~ Never Summer Onyx 140 – not quite as good in hard/icy as the first 3, IMO, but still good
If you could also let me know your boot size (or shoe size, if you’re not sure of your boot size yet), then I can just make sure to look at options that will have an appropriate width for you also.
Keep working on those toe side turns, you’ll get there, and don’t be afraid to get padding either – especially if you’re riding in hard conditions a lot – it can really help with confidence. Things like elbow guards, knee guards and/or padded shorts can really help, depending on how you’re falling. Even if they just end up being something you wear until you become a more advanced rider, they can help build confidence and also make it hurt less, of course! And it goes without saying that I highly recommend wearing a helmet when riding, if you don’t already.
Hope this helps
Thank you so much for your reply!!! Very detail??????
So, My boots size is 38. Can narrow down the choice?
And, Normally I fall with my hands n hip on the floor trying to stop then I stretch my upper arms muscles badly~ I guess the elbow guard don’t really help ~ but a good knees pad might need~
Hi Yuuri
Thanks for the extra info. The B Nice 139 might just be a bit narrow for you, so that’s the only one I would cross off the list. The rest are all still good options.
Yeah, elbow pads won’t help if it’s due to your upper arms stretching. But yeah, knees pads – and padded shorts (if you’re falling on your backside sometimes too) might help a bit with confidence.
Hi Nate! Great article! It’d given me a lot to think about. I also loved that you’re still answering questions on here so hopefully you can help me make a choice on a new board.
I’m 5’2, 110lb and a beginner (I’ve only ridden three times). I’ve been using my sister GNU B-Pro 143 cm, but I feel like the board is too advance for me right now so I want to get a beginner board. (Plus she wants it back now.) I like the twin shape because I still don’t know if I’m regular or goofy. I switch often when riding.
So my question is, what length do you recommend for me? I’m looking for an all mountain- freestyle board to progress on. I like the spec on the Rome Royal and the Capita Paradise. Would you recommend them?
Thank you for your time Nate. I truly appreciate it.
Hi Ami
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of length, I would say that 143cm is too long for you at the moment, so that will be part of the reason that the GNU B-Pro feels too advanced. That and the fact that it’s quite stiff and has quite an aggressive camber profile on it, make it quite beginner unfriendly.
In terms of length, I would say something 136 to 138, as a beginner. You could probably stretch that to 139, but I wouldn’t go longer than that to start with for you. So unfortunately that takes the Paradise and the Royal out of the picture, as I think they would be too long. But also, the Paradise is probably a little on the stiff side to be a pure beginner board (except in certain cases) and the Royal is likely to be a little too wide for you (depending on your boot size). So I would probably have discounted them anyway.
I think if you wanted to go GNU, then the GNU B-Nice is a good beginner’s choice for all-mountain-freestyle. If that, then the 139 would be a good size. Just note that it’s quite narrow – which could be a good thing or bad thing depending on your boot size – so if you can let me know that (or your shoe size if you’re not sure of boot size yet) then I can give a more accurate sizing recommendation.
Other options:
~ Burton Genie 138 (240mm waist) – depending on boot size
~ Rossignol Tesla 136 (232mm waist) or 139(234mm waist) – depending on boot size
~ Rossignol Myth 139 (234mm) – depending on boot size
There are of course other options, but those were the first to come to mind. If you can let me know your boot size (or shoe size), then I can give you my opinion on waist width.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
Thanks for the reply! Wow I’m way off on board length. My boot size is a 6.5.
Hi Ami
I wouldn’t say you’re way off – at a more advanced level, I would say something around 140, 141 (or even longer if riding more of a big mountain kind of board) would be a good size for you, but it’s a good idea to start off with a shorter length.
In terms of width, with 6.5s, you should be fine to fit on the 139 B-Nice (226mm waist). And also good for the Rossi Tesla (both 136 and 139) and Myth. The Genie, however, is too wide to be optimal in terms of width, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
Between the B-Nice and the Rossi Myth, which do you think is better?
Hi Ami
I would say that the B Nice would be the better board overall, but the Myth maybe slightly easier to learn on – but that sometimes comes down to personal preference too. Some like learning on a slightly looser board like the B Nice, because it can give the easiest turn initiation and some prefer a bit more stability, like the Myth provides (but is also very easy for initiating turns on).
In terms of size – the B Nice 139 has that very narrow waist – there are pros and cons to that too – that makes it more agile but also less stable.
Also note, that the B Nice is an asym board and it’s recommended to use a mirror duck stance in terms of your binding angles (something like +15/-15) – so if you prefer to ride with different angles, or would like more options in terms of angles, then the Myth is a better option for that.
Hope this gives you more info to go off.
Hi Nate!
This website is so awesome! My husband and I have been reading every article you posted! We are taking our first trip to Mammoth, CA, and with about 4 seasons in of snowboarding we’ve finally decided to get some boards.
I am torn between two of the top 10 you’ve posted. I am between beginner and intermediate, 5’7.5″ and weight 137lbs….my boot size is women’s 9. I am looking to get either the Rome Royal 147 or the Salomon Oh yeah 147. Both seem like perfect options because of the board’s width on each of them fitting more to my boot size 9. However, I’m leaning more towards the Salomon because I’m loving the design…although the Rome Royal looks like an absolute perfect size width and length for me. Do you think the Salomon 147 with the width of 242 is too narrow for me? If so, is going up a board size bigger, the 151 a better idea? Or do you think I should just go for the Rome Royal because the length and width seem like a perfect fit. Thank you for your time
Hi Helene
Thanks for your message.
I’d say you’d be perfectly fine on the 147 Oh Yeah, in terms of width (and I agree this is the best length for you).
In fact depending on your binding angles, the 246mm waist on the 147 Royal might be on the wide side. If you ride with a quite a straight back foot (e.g. 0-6 degrees) then it should be fine, but if you ride with more angle on your back foot (e.g. 12-15 degrees), then that’s probably getting a bit wide. The Oh Yeah should be fine regardless of binding angles, IMO.
Hope this helps
Great! Salomon oh yeah it is!!! Thank you so much!
You’re very welcome Helene. Hope you enjoy your new board! Let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to ride it.
Hi Nate, One last question:
I’ve purchased the Salomon oh yeah 147cm board, as well as the K2 Haven snowboard boots size 9. Very satisfied with both.
I’m in the process of buying bindings now but I noticed the size recommendations are a little different. I’m looking at 3 different bindings. The burton citizen and stilleto which both look like I would have to get the large bindings….and the K2 yeah yeah which looks like I could go either way with Medium or Large. Anyone you recommend more than the other?
Thank you again for your time and help. I really do appreciate your advice:)
Hi Helene
Any one of those are great beginner options, IMO and would match the Oh Yeah well.
If you go K2, I would go for the medium. I know that the Burton large will fit on the board fine, so that’s fine for those, but I’ve never measured the base plate of K2 bindings, so I’m not sure about the large, but the medium should be fine, and you should fit in them well. The other reason I’d go medium, is that I often prefer to go for the smaller option, if you’re on the cusp like that.
Hope this answers your questions
Hi Nate,
Your articles are really helpful, thank you!
I am a complete beginner, still learning to turn and having a lot of trouble with the toe edge, but totally in love with the sport.
Since I live in México, I do not have the chance to practice as much as I would like, so I think I need a snowboard that helps me to learn and progress a little faster.
I am 5´3 and 110lbs, mondo 23 cm. I like the Rossi Tesla 2018 but seems a little stiff for my weight (rated 5/10 at the rossignol site), and not sure if the waist is appropiate for my size, what do you recommend? should I consider other options?
I also looking to buy boots and bindings, I was thinking in the Burton Mint Boa boots paired with Burton Citizen bindings but I am not sure about sizing, do I should buy boots in size 6 and bindings in S or maybe a little larger?, this is important because I will buy all the gear online.
Thank you!
Hi Paula
Thanks for your message.
In terms of length, something between 137 and 139 would be a good length for you at this stage. But that also needs to be balanced with width.
With mondo 23cm, assuming you ended up in a 6, then something between 221mm and 231mm would be optimal. However, there aren’t heaps of options in that range, so there might need to be some compromise.
Everything Rossignol that I test is softer than what they say it is, so I wouldn’t be too worried about the Tesla being too stiff, but if you are we can certainly skip that. But if you were still interested in the Tesla, then I think the 136 would be a good option. It’s a little shorter than we discussed – but going a little shorter when you have to go a little wider is a good idea, IMO, to get that balance. The 139 would be doable too, but my preference for you would be the 136.
The Rossi Myth 139 is also an option, but again isn’t optimal in terms of width. It will be a little softer than the Tesla.
The K2 First Lite 138cm (232mm waist) is another.
Some other options not on this list are:
~ GNU B Nice 139 (226mm waist). I think this would be the best in terms of size for you, and is a nice and easy board to learn on and get fast progression on.
The B-Nice would be my pick for you, if available but the other options would all work well too, IMO.
Burton Mint boots and Citizen bindings would be great choices for fast progression too, IMO.
In terms of size for the boots, it’s a tough one, a US Women’s 6 is designed to fit a 23cm mondo – but it’s not always the case, sometimes you might need to go a little longer depending on the shape of your foot. I would say you’d be either 6 or 6.5 but it’s really hard to say without actually trying them on. Try to go with an online store that has a return policy that allows you to try them on and send them back if they don’t fit. Most stores that I’ve come across have this policy, but make sure before you buy. If you have enough funds to allow it, you can order a couple of different sizes and then return the one that doesn’t fit (faster than ordering and then returning and then re-ordering if the first one doesn’t fit).
Your shoe size should also give you a clue as to which size to go for – if you wear size 7 shoes, then chances are you’ll be 6.5 or even 7, rather than 6.
For binding sizes, you could go either way. I think even if you ended up in a 6.5, you would be able to fit the small (with Burton boots). But also, if you end up in a 6, then you will fit in the medium. So, you can’t really go wrong there, but maybe the medium is a safer bet, if you’re ordering everything at once, just in case you end up in a size 7 boot.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I left a message yesterday but thought i should elaborate a little. I have been riding on a Burton Genie for 3 seasons, love the board and everything is good. I’ve significantly improved and this season I’ve been riding in Whistler Blackcomb for 7-8 times and can managed all of the blue runs I’ve came across. Now I am thinking do a need to upgrade my board since the Genie is a beginner board and not an intermediate board? I am not going to do jump and tricks, just cruise around mostly, maybe in some powder as well. I live in Vancouver and we do get icy condition sometimes in Cypress. Nate, do you think the Burton Feather is a good upgrade? Anything else you would recommend?
Thank you!
Hi Ada
Just saw your second message now. The Feather is, IMO, not really an upgrade from the Genie. It’s the same kind of level – and it’s quite a similar board all-round. It’s got a directional shape and a setback stance – those are really the only major differences. That will make the Feather more of an all-mountain board (better in powder) compared the Genie which is more of a groomer/freestyle board, but in terms of being more advanced, not really, IMO.
In terms of dealing with icy conditions, the best options for that would be the:
~ YES Emoticon
~ Rossignol Frenemy
~ Never Summer Infinity
~ Jones Twin Sister
~ Jones Dream Catcher (though this is getting more on the aggressive side and might be a step too far?)
~ Niche Sonnet
~ Roxy Torah Bright
~ Never Summer Proto Type 2
Out of those, the best options in powder, IMO.
~ Jones Twin Sister
~ Jones Dream Catcher (but again might be a bit too aggressive)
~ Never Summer Infinity
Thanks Nate! I ended up getting the Frenemy 16/17, it has a great sale for it! Look forward to riding with it! Thank you very much for your help!
Hi Ada
You’re very welcome. Glad you found a good deal! Let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to ride it.
Hi Nate,
Finally have a chance to ride on the new board, after riding both Cypress and Whistler in BC with the Frenemy, It’s great, first impression comparing to the Burton Genie, it felt harder to initiate the turns so felt a little less flexible and harder for narrower runs and easier to get tired (would it be because it is a stiffer and heavier board?)….this really shown when I was in Cypress with its narrower runs, Whistler not so much because the runs are a lot wider.
But overall I like it, I felt like it is really an upgrade from the Genie and felt like there is a lot of potential with it. There is a lot less wobbling or chatter than my Genie at higher speed, felt a lot more stable and the edge hold is AMAZING, especially in steeper slope and icier condition. I do think for a beginner, the Genie would be a great board to learn, but the Frenemy just opens a new door for me with its potential, now just have to master and get use to it.
Thank you again for the recommendation!!
Hi Ada
Thanks for the update. Yeah, Frenemy certainly a step up in terms of stiffness, and potentially a little heavier too. So that would make it a little harder/slower to get those turns initiated but that will be something you’ll get used to and your body should adapt to. Glad you’re feeling the difference for speed, steeps and harder conditions.
Hi Nate,
Love your post, it’s very useful, thank you! Do want to get your advice on this. I have been riding a burton genie for 3 seasons and can do most of the blue runs now in Whistler Blackcomb, i am thinking whether i need to upgrade to something more intermediate. Do you think i should upgrade my genie to something else? If so which boards would you suggest as a good upgrade? Thank you!
Hi Ada
If you’re still enjoying riding the Genie and don’t feel like its holding you back, then there’s no reason why you have to upgrade. But if you feel you want to take your riding to another level, or if you feel like there’s something about the board that’s holding you back (e.g. if it’s feeling a bit wobbly when you ride faster or if you feel like you wash out when trying to get up on the edge etc), then you could look to upgrade.
If you did decide to upgrade, then going to something all-mountain or all-mountain-freestyle is your best bet as an intermediate ride. I would still try to stick to something that’s not too stiff (as the Genie is quite soft flexing) – so sticking to no more than around 5/10 flex, max 6/10. And so you don’t change too much, I wouldn’t go too much longer than the size you’re currently riding, if at all.
You could check out some of the all-mountain and all-mountain-freestyle options in the lists below:
>>My Top 6 Women’s All-Mountain Snowboards
>>My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboards
And you could also check out something like the Capita Paradise, YES Emoticon or the Rossignol Frenemy which would also be a nice little step up from the Genie. Or if you wanted to stick with Burton something like the Deja Vu Flying V would be a good option.
Hope this helps
Thank you, Nate! It does feel a little wobbly, I will look into your suggestion, thank you! One more question, I have a Burton stiletto 3D binding, would that fit into the Burton Channel system?
Thank you!
Hi Ada
I have answered your other question now too, and hopefully narrowed it down a bit further.
If they’re not too old (what year are they, do you know), they should be compatible the channel system, but you should have received separate binding discs with them which would be used with the channel system. If you didn’t get those discs with it, you could try contacting Burton and see if they can send you some.
Thank you, Nate for answering to my other message, really appreciate it! It’s a 2015/16 model, so it’s not that old, I will look for those binding disc.
Thank you!
You’re very welcome Ada. Yeah should be compatible if they’re 15/16.
Hi Nate,
Great website. I need some advice on which snowboards to consider. I’m a 65 year old beginner, 5’5 and 145 lbs. My shoe size ranges 8.5 to 9. I live in the mid-atlantic area. I’m not interested in speed or tricks just mellow groomers.
Thanks
Hi Maurie
Thanks for your message.
In terms of size, as a beginner, I would say something around 145cm for you.
In terms of width, looking in the range between 234mm and 244mm would be a good bet.
Since you live in the mid-atlantic, something with good edge-hold in icy conditions is recommended. So, I would say one of the following:
~ YES Emoticon: 146 (239mm waist)
~ GNU B-Nice: 145 (234mm waist)
~ GNU Chromatic: 146 (238mm waist)
~ Roxy Sugar Banana: 146 (235mm waist)
Hope this helps and gives you some options
Hey Nate,
Kudos for the great article, very helpful on my snowboard search. I am a beginner-intermediate snowboarder ( 5’6″, 155lbs). After spending two weeks learning snowboard, now I am comfortable to ride on blue to red slopes. I am thinking of buying either K2 first lite or Rossignol gala. I really like the design pattern of gala, unfortunately, the country where I live, there is only 146cm for gala available. Do you think it is ok to take it or better to buy K2 of size 150? Really appreciate your suggestions. Thanks!
Hi Jade
Thanks for your message.
I think something around 150 would be a better size for you – something between 148 and 150. You could ride the 146 Gala and probably enjoy it too – but you’re probably going to “outgrow” that length very quickly – you’ll likely find that it will start to feel a bit wobbly when you start to ride faster. I think the 150 First Lite would be the better option, in this case.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I am so glad I stumble on your post. I am a beginner and seemed to learn pretty quickly on my own without prior knowledge or background check about snowboarding when I went for my very first ride. My learning came from observing friends and others on the slopes. On my very first time snowboarding, the most difficult part to learn was getting up. But as soon as I got that down I was riding and learning on my heel edge, even ditched the bunny hill and went on the longer ones. Fast forward 3yrs later, went for my second ride on the same mountain (Cypress bowl, Vancouver BC) and got on my rental board and rode on it like I did my first time. But this time I tried practicing my toe edge and was having difficulty. I really like snowboarding a lot and want to start going more frequently now and want to learn more so I can keep up with friends and also be able to ride Whistler without getting intimidated.
I am torn between which board to invest on – the Rossignol Myth or Rome Royal board. I do not know what kind of rider I am but all I know is that, I would only need the board to ride it in the mountains here where I live (Vancouver, BC) and maybe occasionally in Seattle. I’m most likely be hitting the slopes occasionally and won’t be a season pass holder. I am about 5’3” or 5’4” weigh fluctuates around 138-148lbs.
Looking forward on your inputs.
Thanks!
Michelle
Hi Michelle
Thanks for your message.
In terms of length, I think something around 144, 145 would be a good length to look at for you.
So that would put you on a 144 for either the Myth or the Royal. I suspect that the Royal could be a little wide for you though – it’s a wider board. But if you could let me know your boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of your boot size yet) and I can recommend which one would be better width-wise. But I suspect that the Myth will be a better option for you overall.
Hope this helps
Thanks for the input and reply Nate! I don’t know my snowboard boots size yet but I’m a size 8 in shoes. Would appreciate your input again on what size in boots and strap to get.
Cheers!
Hi Nate!
Thanks for the input. This reply might be a repeat as I wasn’t sure my first one went through. But yeah, my shoe size is 8. Should I get a snowboard boots with that size to? I can’t remember what size boots I usually get when I rent. And how about bindings?
Cheers!
Michelle
Hi Michelle
Thanks for your message. I got the other one too, they just need to be moderated before being published.
These days, in my experience with men’s snowboard boots anyway, usually your boot size will be the same as your shoe size. It used to be that snowboard boots would be a half a size down. So, I would say you would likely be in an 8 for snowboard boots, but you could end up in a 7.5 or possibly even an 8.5. It depends on the brand too – I’m a different size in some brands than others. It’s hard to know without actually trying on. You can also check out the following for more on snowboard boot sizing:
>>How to Size Snowboard Boots
Assuming you end up in an 8 or 7.5, the Myth 144 is going to be the better board for you width-wise, IMO. The Royal 144 is getting on the wide side for 8s, IMO.
For bindings, check out the following, and let me know if you have any questions:
>>Snowboard Binding Sizing
>>Choosing Beginner Bindings
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
And also this for some boot ideas
>>My Top Women’s Beginner Boots
Hope this helps
Wow! This is awesome! Thanks for the detailed reply. This helps a lot. I can’t wait to start looking for my gears. ??
You’re very welcome Michelle!
Hi Nate,
I hope you can help me with an issue. I’m a beginner snowboarder and I bought a K2 Lime lite. After a week I brought it back to the shop and told them it wasn’t the board for me.
I found it difficult to do my turns on and it made me wanna quite a few times :0 so my boyfriend bought the gnu carbon credit and I tried that board for a little and found out that I could do turns more easily on the gnu.
So I read your review on the best beginner snowboards and you named the Rome Royal to me that looks a bit like the K2 lime lite. And lacks a bit of flex although you rate it as a 3/10 but rome rate it like 6/10. And I think that a board that has a nice flex is suits me better. But I’m definitely not the expert on snowboards. Is is really easy to make turns on?
I was actually looking to buy either the Roxy Sugar Banana or the gnu b nice because of their shape. They both have the btx profile I believe.
My boyfriend is an intermediate level snowboarder and is also looking for a new board and is thinking of buying the lib tech skate banana, or the Rome mechanic
Hope you can help us with this. Maybe it’s good to know that we live in Europe and the snow conditions in the alps are a bit “Icey” we are both looking for an all mountain board.
Thanks in advance
Dilys
Hi Dilys
Thanks for your message.
Because you’ve had experience on the Carbon Credit and liked the feel of it, I would go with something with a similar feel. If you didn’t like the feel of the K2 Lime Lite (which has a flat-to-rocker camber profile) then I wouldn’t go for the Royal because it has the same profile, so you may not like the feel of that either. Some people love that flat-to-rocker for starting out and others seem to prefer either a hybrid camber or hybrid rocker. Since you already know you like the feel of the Carbon Credit, then I think that’s your best bet.
The GNU B Nice is basically the same board as the Carbon Credit or at least very close – but in women’s sizes.
The GNU Chromatic is very similar also.
One of those would be your best bet IMO.
If you’d like a size recommendation, just let me know your height, weight and boot size and I would be happy to give you my opinion on size.
For your boyfriend, I would say the same thing – if he liked the feel of the Carbon Credit, then I would recommend something with a similar profile. The Skate Banana would fit that bill – it’s very similar to the GNU Carbon Credit or the GNU Hyak.
GNU and Lib Tech boards are typically very good in icy conditions too – so that’s another plus going for one of those.
If your boyfriend was looking for something a little more all-mountain oriented and with a bit more stiffness in terms of flex then the GNU Riders Choice would be a great option for him, IMO – though it is of course more expensive. The Gnuru would be a cheaper alternative. On the Lib Tech side, the TRS would work well, IMO, but again is quite pricey.
Again, if you’d like a size recommendation for your boyfriend I would be happy to give my opinion there too, if he’s not sure about sizing. Would just need that same info for him.
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate,
So I’ll think I’ll go with the gnu b nice then. I’m 5,4(167 cm) and my weight is about 140 lbs(64kg) and my boot size is us womens 10(41 eur)
My boyfriend is the same height as me 5,4 and his weight is 165 lbs(75 kg) and he wears a us men’s size 10(43)
Thanks for the help so far!
You’re very welcome Dilys.
I think the best size for you is probably the 148 for the B Nice. You could also go for the 145, but I think the 148 is going to be a better width for you for your boots size – and also it’s probably the better length too. I would say something around a 149, 150 at an advanced level, but as a beginner it’s a good idea to go a little shorter. You could go as short as 145, but I think you would be fine on the 148 and that would be better for your boot size, IMO.
Note that because the B Nice is an asym board, it’s recommended that you ride it with a mirror duck stance in terms of your binding angles (e.g. +15/-15). If you prefer to ride with a more forward stance (i.e. straighter angle on the back foot (e.g. +18/-3), then I would recommend going for the Chromatic which isn’t an asym. Although with those binding angles, I think the 146 (238mm waist) would be getting a bit narrow (more of an angle on your back binding means you can get on a narrower board). In that case I would recommend the GNU Hyak in the 148 – it has a 242mm waist which would be more suitable to your boot size and binding angles. If you’re riding +15/-15 you should be fine on the 146 Chromatic or 148 B Nice.
Size-wise for your boyfriend, I would say something in the range of 152 to 154 in terms of length.
Width-wise, for size 10s I would say to look at something in the range of 247mm to 257mm in terms of waist width, if he rides with a reasonably angled back binding (i.e. 12-15 degrees) and between 254mm to 259mm at the waist, if he rides with a fairly straight back binding angle.
Hi, Nate,
First, thank you soooo much for taking the time to go in-depth into the world of snowboarding equipment and techniques for us newbies. You have no idea how incredibly useful your website has been for me. I’ve been spending days reading your articles and reviews. Unfortunately, even with all the research I’ve done, I can’t narrow down what to buy so I’m hoping that you’ll point me into the right direction for boards, boots and bindings.
Second, I’d like to apologize in advance that this is a long read. I just want to be thorough.
The most important aspects for me are comfort and ease of use/learning so I’m willing to spend the money.
My background: I’m 5’1, 123lbs, active/athletic. I wear size 6 boots. I currently have a 137cm Roxy Sugar paired with Burton Lexa bindings in size medium and ThirtyTwo STW Boa boots. However, I’m not entirely sure if these are the right equipment, especially the board size, for me. I bought them (8yrs ago) because they were available at the local Sport Chalet-which sadly is no longer around. I’ve been riding off and on for about 10yrs, but only a handful of times a season. I mostly go to Mammoth. Based on your Skill Levels article, I’m at level Intermediate 4.
I haven’t attempt any park features out of fear, but would love to someday. My riding have been mostly just trying to go down the mountains without injuring myself or others. I would like to progress to Intermediate Level 5 within this season or next. I’m self taught. Your articles on private lessons convinced me to sign up for a session at the end of this month. 🙂
Since I don’t ride often, I just want a set of equipment that would allow me to be comfortable and have fun anytime I hit the slopes. I’ve been focusing on your articles on equipment for beginners for this reason. If there are others not on the list you think better fit my needs please let me know.
In regards to boots, I just ordered a pair of K2 Estate because I demo a pair of K2 Sapera this season and loved the fit, but detest traditional laces. Do you think the Estate are too stiff for me? I’d like a pair of boots that are light and can keep my heels in place. Maybe technology has change since but the ThirtyTwo STW boa I have are terrible at keeping my heels in place. My heels would come up no matter how tight I tied the laces. The Vans were recently recommended, but they’re too narrow on the forefoot for me. Burton boots don’t my fit me right either. I would also prefer double boa to speed or traditional lacing.
In sum, it would be fantastic, and I’d be forever grateful, if you could provide me with a few choices on board and binding pairings, as well as a pair of boots, based on my skills level and background.
Thank you in advance for taking the time to respond to my comment.
Sydney
Hi Sydney
Thanks for your message.
Starting with boots. I think the Estate would work well for you. I would say they’re a 6/10 in terms of flex, which would match your bindings well too. In my experience double boa tends to do a good job with heel hold and in general I would say that boa and boots in general have improved in heel hold over the past 8 years. That said, everyone’s feet are different so my experience could differ to yours. But I’ve found in K2’s men’s boa boots that they are right up there in terms of heel hold – some of the best I’ve tried in that respect. So, I would say, but couldn’t say for sure, that you’d be fine in terms of heel hold. And since the fit of the Sapera was good, it’s likely the Estate will be too (again, no guarantees, but usually brands boots fit similar). I wouldn’t go any stiffer than that, but I think you will be ok there. Since you know K2 fit you well, I think that’s a safe way to go. If you did find that the Sapera was too stiff, they also have the Haven in a boa – it would be more like a 4/10 flex in my books – which is fine if you were riding softer flexing bindings (and depending on the board you end up on) but I think a binding change would be recommended if you went down to the Haven – and you also go to a single boa, which gives you less adjustability.
The STW Boa are very soft boots – so, IMO, they don’t match your bindings well – the Roxy Sugar Banana is also quite soft, so they would be fine with that.
I think you could stick with the Lexas, assuming you go with a mid-flexing board – I would say for board, based on what you’re describing something with a 5/10 flex would be a good way to go – and the Estate and Lexa would match that well (I typically either match flex between board and bindings and boots or have boots and bindings a little stiffer than the board – but not the other way around – i.e. boots and bindings that are softer than a board).
O.k. the board:
In terms of length, I would say something around 138 to 140 would be a good range to look at for you. But personal preference is also a thing, so if you felt like you are wanting shorter than what you have, then that’s still an option.
Width-wise, for your boot size I would say to look at something in the range of 220mm to 230mm in terms of waist width, ideally, but since there aren’t too many options in that range, you might need to compromise and go a little wider than that. K2 boots tend to be on the long side too, so with the Estates you probably don’t want to go too narrow either. So maybe 225mm as a minimum to be safe (but there won’t be too many women’s boards narrower than that, so you should be all good there).
Based on all of that, your ability level, and looking at boards that are versatile enough that they ride well on the groomers but can also play in the park if you progress your freestyle skills more, and are easy to turn on, and looking at something with enough performance to help you to progress to a more advanced level, I would recommend the following:
~ Arbor Poporazzi 138 (231mm waist) – or if you felt like you are looking for something longer, then the 141 (232mm waist) is also an option
~ GNU Velvet Gnuru 139 (226mm waist) – this sounds like a great size for you, IMO.
~ Burton Feelgood Flying V 140 (236mm waist) – getting a little on the wide side, but doable.
~ Jones Twin Sister 139 (238mm waist) – probably too wide but otherwise a good option
~ Never Summer Infinity 140 (233mm waist)
~ Never Summer Onyx 140 (233mm waist)- though these would be likely a little softer flexing – maybe still a bit more than your Sugar Banana but on the softer side for the boots/bindings setup – would go better with the K2 Haven and softer bindings
~ GNU Gloss 140 (233mm waist) – or if you feel like your current board is actually too long, then there’s a 136 also for the gloss which has a narrow waist (226mm). But same as the Onyx – on the softer side, so probably better with a different boot/binding setup.
This isn’t exhaustive but some options to consider.
Hope this helps and if there isn’t anything there that speaks to you or you’re not sure of something, let’s have some back and forth going, i.e. if you’re thinking differently – i.e. if you think you’d prefer to go softer, shorter longer etc.
Hi Nate, Wow! Thank you so much for the in-depth reply! I looked over the list of snowboards you suggested and the only boards I found available in my size and width are:
ARbor Poporazzi 138 (231mm waist) – $293
GNU Velvet Gnuru 139 (226mm waist) – $367.96
Never Summer Onyx 140 (233mm waist) – $375.99
Can you please help me pick one? Realistically, I doubted that I’ll ever go into freestyle as I don’t ride often enough to practice. I’ll probably just try some simple rails and boxes. I will mostly stay on piste, and powder if available. What I’ve noticed about using my current snowboard, the 137 Roxy Sugar, is that I have a hard time turning on steep and bumpy area like in the mugols or places where it has been beat up by skiers, and not groomed. I’ve also noticed that I have a hard time initiating turns on icy/hard packed condition. Do you think this is more of lack of skills than board set up? As such, I’m looking for a board that would help me progress faster in carving and give me more confident on steeper blue runs, or runs with less than perfect condition and then progress to black runs. I’ve managed to go down a few black runs, but with lots of stops and skid turns. As mentioned before, I’ll be taking a couple of private lessons so I hope to improve my carving/turning skills.
For boots, I think I’ll keep the K2 Estate in size 6 since I couldn’t find anything else with a double boas. Which bindings would you recommend I get with them other than the Burton Lexa? I’d like to try something different so I’m also looking at the Flow rear entry or dual entry bindings. What are your opinions on these and which models would you recommend for me? Should I stick with the traditional strap in or switch to these? I like the convenient aspects of them, but not sure how they would perform.
Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you!
Hi Sydney
When it comes to things like uneven terrain a lot of it does come down to technique, but some boards will make it harder and some easier. I would say that the Roxy Sugar should be pretty good in those areas though. But in terms of initiating turns in hard/icy conditions, I think that something with a bit of camber in the profile could help with that. Whilst the Sugar Banana does have a little bit of subtle camber, it’s essentially a continuous rocker board. The Poporazzi is also a continuous rocker, so I think looking at the Onyx and the Velvet Gnuru is a good way to go.
Between the 2 of them I would say:
1. The Onyx is softer flexing – around 3/10, probably pretty similar to the Sugar Banana in terms of flex
2. The Velvet Gnuru is more of a medium flex (around 5/10)
3. The Onyx would be a slightly easier ride, slightly faster progression, largely because of that softer flex
4. I think both would be pretty good on uneven terrain, but not sure if either would be better than the other
5. The Onyx generally is probably a little quicker edge-to-edge – a little more agile at slower speeds too – but the Gnuru being a little shorter and narrower would balance that out, at least to some extent
In terms of Flow bindings – I haven’t tested anything rear entry for a good few years now, but when I did, I preferred traditional strap. The convenience didn’t outweigh the performance difference, from my experience. But like I say, I haven’t tried them for a few years, so they may have caught up?
If you do decide to stay with traditional strap check out the following for some options that would work with your board/boot setup. Something around a 5/10 flex, would be a good way to go, IMO.
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
>>Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hi, Nate,
I just want to say thank you so much for helping me pick out new gear this season. I ended up with the GNU Velvet Gnuru 139, Flux GS binding and K2 Estate boots. They work out great and totally up my game a bit.
Your advice is invaluable. I hope you’ll continue to provide support for others for years to come!
Sydney
Hi Sydney
Thanks for the follow up and the kind words. Glad to hear you’re enjoying your new setup!
Hi Nate!
I’m a beginner snowboarder and have been learning on a board that I bought used a few years ago. The board is a Burton Charger, which I think is just a few years short of being 20 years old. It’s as stiff as a plank of wood, and the Burton Mission bindings on it are probably just as old and have backs that are basically hard plastic. Well anyway, the bindings broke recently and I’m looking to get a new board and bindings, and discovered that boards and bindings can be flexible! I’ve gotten used to the stiffness of my current board and bindings and am starting to improve on the slopes with them. Should I get a board/bindings that’s on the stiffer side since I’m already used to it or a soft one that’s recommended for beginners? I feel like a softer board might seem too floppy/bendy, but I’m not sure. What do you think? Thanks!
Hi Em
Thanks for your message.
Not surprised it’s like a stiff plank of wood, being that old!
Ordinarily for a beginner, I would certainly say go soft – but as someone who’s used to stiff, it might be a better transition to go to something a little stiffer flexing. But I would still stick to something around medium flex – it’s going to feel softer than what you’ve got, but with technology these days, there are still good options that also feel stable.
And even though you will be used to full camber (as that was all that existed that long ago), I think changing up to something with a bit of rocker in there would be a good idea. But I’d say go with something that’s hybrid camber (camber between the feet and rocker towards tip and tail). It will be the closest feeling to full camber (apart from full camber of course!) but more forgiving.
Same idea for bindings, I think medium flex would be best:
a. because you’re used to stiff, I’d say not to go too soft; and
b. because that would match your board the best assuming you go with a medium flexing board
So essentially, something that’s a little stiffer than I would usually recommend for a beginner board, but still having other aspects that make it a good board to progress on for a beginner.
Based on all of that, I think the Capita Paradise and the Rossignol Frenemy would both be great choices.
Another option would be the Jones Twin Sister.
In terms of size, I can give you a recommendation if you’d like – sizing a board has changed a lot since your board was made. I would just need your height, weight and boot size.
For bindings, check out the following for some options:
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps
hi nate,
thank you for all your help in helping me choose my board/boots/bindings. would you be able to help in choosing equipment for my son? we only get a week on the slopes per year. last year was his first time snowboarding, we took lessons, he did great. this year when we went he did great again, so much better than last year, he really took to snowboarding and grasped it quickly, we took daily lessons again for him and he was going down greens and blues with no problems. both times we rented his equipment. i am not too sure whether to keep doing rentals as he is still growing, or to go ahead and purchase something for him hoping he gets 2 years of riding…not sure how fast he will grow. he is almost 4’9 and weighs 73lbs, 9 years old. wears a size 5 shoe. i don’t mind looking at used equipment either. both years we went they had him on the same gear from the rental place, it was a burton ltr board i believe 115. one of the instructors mentioned the board he was on was too short for him, not sure as this is what they gave us at the rental. if we purchase, also would like to stay with burton brand, all i have been able to find is ‘chopper’ and have looked up the ltr. hoping you can help 🙂
Hi Ola
Just so you know, I don’t have a lot of experience with kids gear, so I will help you as much as I can but can’t say much first hand about the gear (my son is 2 – I will start learning about it next year, when I start getting him on the hill!).
In terms of size, I would say something closer to 120 or 125 would be more appropriate – even a couple of centimeters more – but kids sizes do tend to only go up in 5cm increments, especially under 130cm. So probably either 120, 125 or 130, I would say. I would be leaning towards the 125, just because it will be an easier transition from the 115, but will still be something that should last for another 2 seasons. The 130 would possibly be better in a couple of season’s time, but will be trickier for him to manage, I would say, in the next season and a half – and would be a big jump to what he’s used to riding – and might slow his progression or affect his confidence. So the 130 would likely be something that might even last another 3 seasons. A 120 would be the easiest to progress on and would be the easiest transition from the 115 he is riding. But it’s likely to be getting too small. I think you could still last another 2 season’s on it, but by the end of the second season, he might be getting quite big for it – but like you say, it also depends on how fast he grows.
The Burton Chopper will be the easiest for him to ride – it’s the most beginner level. So the easiest transition would be Chopper at 120.
But it sounds like he is progressing quickly and could probably ride an intermediate board. That would open up your options. In that case there are a couple more options with Burton:
~ Burton Process Smalls
~ Burton Custom Smalls
The smallest size for those is 125, so you’d have to go to the 125 if you went with one of those two.
Burton do a couple of other boys boards, but they wouldn’t be suitable, IMO.
Hope this helps a little bit
Hey Nate,
I’ve been snowboarding 3 times now and think I got the hang of turning on day 3.
I’m moving from the UK to BC, Canada so am planning to go a lot next winter. I’d still class myself as a total beginner so would like a board that’s stable, forgiving and turns easily.
I’m kind of stuck between the Burton Genie & the feather but not entirely sure what the difference is between them? Would I get bored of the Genie quickly? I’ll just be riding groomers!
Thanks so much
Hi Anna
Thanks for your message.
The main differences between the Feather and the Genie is that the Feather has a tapered directional shape and a setback stance where the Genie has a twin shape and a centered stance – what this essentially means is that the on the Genie it’s completely symetrical and the distance between your back foot and the tail and the front foot to the nose is exactly the same. With the Feather, the nose is longer than the tail and the nose is also wider than the tail.
What this basically boils down to is that the Feather is more suited for riding in deeper powder but not as good as the Genie for riding switch (your non-natural direction) or for riding freestyle (jumps, tricks etc). So, if you think you’ll want to be heading off the groomer on powder days, then the Feather is probably the better bet, but if you’re likely to stay on the groomer, then I’d say that Genie, it gives you the option of learning to ride switch if you want to.
In terms of whether you’ll get board of the Genie?
It sounds like you’re progressing quite quickly, and if you continue to progress quickly, then you’ll likely want to upgrade from something like the Genie at some stage. But it will offer faster progression.
But if you feel like you want something that will stay with you for longer, then something like the YES Emoticon is a really good option, IMO. Or you could look at something like the Burton Deja Vu, if you wanted to stay Burton – or another little step up to something like the Capita Paradise or Rossignol Frenemy – but they would be a bit of steeper learning curve.
It’s also important to get the size right. If you want a size recommendation, I’d be happy to give one – I’d just need your height, weight and boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of your boot size yet).
Hope this helps
Awesome thanks. This is maybe a stupid question but what do you mean by grow out of it?
I did look at the Yes emoticon but I’ve also seen it described as being more of an intermediate board than a beginner one.
I’m a US shoe size 6, 5 ft 4 and 104 pounds. I’ll be going to Whistler a lot so I guess that (hopefully) means I’ll be in lots of powder and perhaps tree runs once I’ve improved!
Thanks so much for your help.
Hi Anna
No such thing as a stupid question!
By grow out of it, I basically mean that as you progress, there are things with this board that are favorable for a beginner but not as favorable for a more advanced rider. E.g. it has a soft flex – this is great for a beginner because it makes it easier to maneuver at slower speeds and more forgiving of errors. But as you get more advanced and want to ride fast – that soft flex means that it will be less stable at high speeds, and more chattery at high speeds and less able to keep the edge dug in, when riding fast. Other things like having a lot of camber in the profile can be bad for a beginner because it makes the board more catchy – but a more advanced rider (who has the technique to not as easily catch an edge) often likes a good bit of camber in there because it helps make the board more poppy, gives spring out of turns and can help with edge hold and stability at higher speeds. There are other things too, but those are a couple of reasons why a board might be great as a beginner but not as good performance-wise when you’re more advanced.
The Emoticon is something that can be ridden by a more advanced rider – but is also beginner suitable – not quite as easy going as something like the Genie (which is why some might label it intermediate) but it’s still a good beginner option (particularly for someone who doesn’t want to upgrade too soon). The Emoticon is a little stiffer flexing and has some camber in there, but it’s relatively subtle.
In terms of size, I would say you could go up to around 142 as an advanced rider, but as a beginner I wouldn’t go that long. Something between 137 and 139 would be a good range to look at, IMO.
In terms of width, assuming size 6 snowboard boots, you should be able to go as narrow as you want in women’s boards – but I would try to stay under 235mm in terms of waist width, if you can – that would be the maximum in terms of width I would recommend for you.
So, in terms of the boards we’ve discussed, the best size options would be:
Genie: 138cm (240mm waist)
Feather: 140cm (232mm waist)
Emoticon: no appropriate size, IMO
Deja Vu: 138 (235mm waist)
Paradise: no appropriate size, IMO
Frenemy: no appropriate size, IMO
Hope this helps, and let me know if there are any other options you’re considering
Ahh that makes sense. Sounds like there are so many factors to consider!
So it sounds like the Genie will be slightly too wide for me and won’t be great for when I want to start riding a bit more quickly.
I’m also interested in the K2 First Lite having read your review. Would you say that’s just as easy to ride at the Genie & Feather?
It sounds like the Deja Vu would be a great size for me but do you think it will make the learning process more difficult?
I really just want something to make me more confident but wouldn’t let me down when I try riding in powder.
Thanks so much
Hi Anna
Yeah, there are a lot of different aspects to snowboards for sure!
Yeah the K2 First Lite would be as easy to ride as the Genie and Feather, I would say – and it’s going to be better for riding in powder than the Genie. I think the 138 would be a great size for you too.
Sorry,
I forgot to add, what size board would you think I should get?
And, what shape? Directional? Twin?…
THANK YOU AGAIN!!!
Hi Sarah
Thanks for your message.
In terms of shape, it doesn’t matter too much. But something that’s twin or directional twin is a good way to go to start out with, IMO. Directional Twin is pretty close to twin but just has something that makes it not quite twin (i.e. a slightly longer nose compared to tail). But something more directional is also fine, but it makes learning to ride switch more difficult.
In terms of size, I would say around a 153cm at an advanced level – but that’s going to be too long for you for now – as a rule of thumb it’s a good idea to take off 3-5cm at a beginner level – so something around 148-150.
In terms of width, something between 235mm and 245mm at the waist would be a good way to go.
So, keeping in mind that you need something that can handle ice, and you think you have a preference for Hybrid Camber – which I think is a good way to go, I think the following would be really good options for you:
~ YES Emoticon 149cm (241mm waist) – I think this is the ideal option for you
~ Rossignol Frenemy 150cm (241mm waist) – pretty close to ideal, only thing is that it’s a bit of a steeper learning curve, just being a little stiffer flexing
There are other options, especially if you look at something Hybrid Rocker but if you can find one of those, they would be your best pics, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thank you so much for your reply!
These were the two boards I was looking at funny enough. The yes emoticon seemed slightly better flex and twin, and the ressi frenemy as it seems itll work a bit better of softer snow if I travel…
Out of curiosity, disregarding my preference for hybrid camber, what would you recommend as an option?
Just trying to find the best fit I guess.
Thank you again,
Your advice is extremely valued!!!
Hi Sarah
You’re very welcome.
Flat-to-rocker boards don’t tend to be that great in hard/icy conditions – having that camber in there really helps in those conditions, so there aren’t really any flat-to-rocker options I can think of that would be suitable, but there are some Hybrid Rocker (camber-rocker-camber) options, as below:
~ GNU Chromatic 149 (241mm waist) – this is going to be the most beginner friendly of the 3 GNU options here
~ GNU Gloss – 148 (239mm waist) – a little more of an intermediate board, but ok for a higher level beginner
~ Gnu Velvet Gnuru – 150 (239mm waist – again more high level beginner – similar to the Frenemy in the sense that it’s a little stiffer than ideal, but otherwise good beginner specs
~ Never Summer Infinity – 149 (236mm waist)
~ Never Summer Onyx – 149 (234mm waist)
Note that Hybrid Rocker tends to feel a little looser/surfier in general – which is either a good thing or a bad thing depending on preference.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I am that thankful I came across you page!
This is very helpful.
I have been looking to buy my own board for about 6 months to a year now and I have done so so so so much research, I think I am just overwhelmed now.
I like the sound of the rocker-camber-rocker, purely based on what I have read – assists with ease of turns and adds stability under foot.
I also read the rocker – flat is good, but with boards in the past, I have definitely felt unstable under the foot, which I was not overly keen on.
I guess, if you are able, I would like some information on what board you would think would suit me! (please)
I am 168cm tall and weigh about 72kg and I have a shoe size of 8.5 (eu39).
I live in Australia and the snow here is more icy I would say. I also have been to New Zealand with slightly ore powdery snow (definitely depends on what time of the year you go).
I have been maybe only about 6-7 times on the mountain, but I am linking my turns quite well (I think) on the beginner runs. I am wanting to advance to the intermediate runs, but when I tried linking my turns on them on my last run, I was unable, felt unstable and scared myself. I want to get fast with my runs, and I guess that comes with confidence too. I want a board I can control and something I can get to a intermediate stage with.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!!
Thank you in advance, and thank you again for this page!!!!
Hey there!
Just looking for some advice and you seem to have a extensive knowledge on boards haha, I am 5’8 boot size 9 and I have been recommended getting a board between 148 cm and 150 cm. I’ve found a Burton Genie that’s 147 cm and I was wondering if you’d think that’s too short, if so would 152 cm be too long? I’m having a hard time finding the Genie in my size bracket but don’t want to compromise.
Thanks for any suggestions,
Emma
Hi Emma
Thanks for your message.
A lot of snowboard sizing is done on weight these days. Height is a factor but getting the right size for your weight is also important. If you can let me know your weight I can give you a more accurate opinion. Feel free to send me a private message – Snowboarding Profiles Contact – if you’d prefer.
In terms of width, both sizes would be suitable for size 9s. But in terms of length I would need that extra info.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thank you sooo much for such helpful information.
I’ve read this article few times and narrowed my list, but still cannot choose the perfect one.
I am 5’7’’, 130 lbs, boots size 8
So I’ve been thinking of:
~ Rossignol Tesla
~ Rome Royal (found a great deal, but don’t like the graphics)
~ Rossignol Myth
~ Rome Lo-FI after reading some amazing reviews. But I would like to know what do you think about this board
I’m gonna ride at Tahoe on groomed snow and maybe powder (which I’ve never tried just yet)
Thank you in advance
Hi Natalie
Thanks for your message.
In terms of size I think something between 145 and 147 would be a good size for you as a beginner. It sounds like you’ve ridden before, so depending on how much you could maybe push up to 148 – but that’s probably the longest I would go for you – as a more advanced ride something more like 150cm would be fine, but as a beginner that’s what I would stick to.
In terms of width, I’d say something with a waist width between 232mm (but only that narrow if you ride with binding angles that have a decent angle on the back foot i.e. 9 to 15 degrees) and 245mm (but only that wide if you ride with a straighter back foot i.e. 0 – 6 degrees). If you’re not sure of you’re binding angles, then something between 235mm and 242mm would be a safe bet.
With that in mind I would say the following sizes for the boards you’re looking at:
Tesla: 148 (238mm waist width)
Royal: 147 (246mm waist width) – I’d say this is too wide for you – if you have like a 0 degree angle on your back foot, you might get away with it, but even then it’s getting on the wider side for you, IMO.
Myth: 149 (238mm waist) – this is getting a little on the long side (but the next size down is 144, and that’s getting a bit short so no real ideal length here – width is good though
Lo-Fi: 146 (245mm waist) – getting on the wide side, but doable if you ride with a straight back foot
In terms of the Lo-Fi, I’d say it would work well as a beginner board – my biggest concern would be the width being a bit too wide.
I would also look at the Gala over the Myth, just that it’s more suited to powder and fine for the groomers – the Myth would be better if you were looking to try riding freestyle but the Gala is better in powder so if that’s something you’re going to get into, it’s better there – the 146cm (234mm waist) would be a good size for you too, IMO – assuming that you have some angle on your back foot – if you ride with a straight back foot, then it might be pushing it being a bit too narrow.
I’d say that the Tesla and Gala would be the best sizes for you.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thank You for all reviews and useful tips! I’ve been snowboarding for last few winters but I’m still more of a beginner level. Finally I’ve decided to get my own board and at the moment I’m choosing between Roxy and Rossignol. I am 165 cm height and 70 kg. My boots Thirtytwo WMNS EXIT size 39 (8.5 US). My goal is to have good time on groomed slopes, maybe to get some sped or light powder, I’m not going for parks and tricks. Could you recommend me a few choices for boar+binding sets? Thanks a lot
Hi Dovile
Thanks for your message.
In terms of size I would say something around 146 to 149 would be a good length range for you. As an advanced rider I would say more like 151, but at this stage I think you’re better off on something in that range.
In terms of width, I’d say something between 235mm and 240mm at the waist would be a good range to look at.
Based on that and your stated riding style, I would say the following from Roxy and Rossignol, would be your best bets:
~ Rossignol Gala: 146cm (234mm waist) – a little narrower than what we mentioned but should still be fine, so long as you ride with a reasonable angle on your back binding (e.g. 9 – 15 degrees). If you ride with a straighter back foot (e.g. 0 – 6 degrees, then it might be getting a bit narrow)
~ Roxy Ally: 147cm (240mm waist) – a bit more freestyle oriented but you don’t have to ride freestyle on it.
~ Roxy Sugar Banana: 149cm (237mm waist) – also more freestyle oriented but again you don’t have to ride that way on it.
~ Roxy XOXO: 149cm (242mm waist) – a little wider but doable – especially if you do ride with a straighter angle on your back binding
~ Rossignol Tesla: 148cm (238mm waist) – another one that’s more freestyle oriented but still an option.
~ Rossignol Frenemy: 147cm (240mm waist) – it’s a little stiffer than the others, but I think if you feel you’re a high end beginner rider, then I think this would be the best option.
I’ve just stuck to what I think would be best from those two brands as you mentioned them. There are of course other options outside those brands but those would be what I’d be weighing up on those particular brands.
In terms of bindings, check out the following list – these certainly aren’t all the options, so if you come across anything else or if you decide on a board and you find a package and it comes with bindings, feel free to send me a message and I would be happy to give you my opinion as to whether I think they would be a good option or not.
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
Hope this helps
Hi, Nate! Thank you for all the posted info! I am 5’7″ and 122 pounds. I was thinking in getting the Rome Royal, but I’m not sure about what size should I get. Can you help me with that? I only went snowboarding once! Thanks a lot. Rosario
Hi Rosario
Thanks for your message.
I would say something around 147, as an advanced rider, but as a beginner you want to go with something a little shorter – taking off 3-5cm as a rule of thumb. So something in the range of 142 to 144, would be a good length to look at for you. So for the Royal that would be the 144.
But if you could also let me know your snowboard boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of your boot size) to make sure that the width is appropriate. This is wider than your average board, so just want to make sure it wouldn’t be too wide for you.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate
Love your site, it’s so informative and helpful!
I’m pretty new to snowboarding, just starting to do S turn in my 2nd trip! I’m 168cm, 63kg and boot size 24.5/25cm. I’m interested in the YES Emoticon or the Rossignol’s ones.. I would like to have your recommendations for what size and which board to get, and also what binding I should go with the board. I’m hoping to improve my skills and catch up my friends soon!
Much appreciated! Thanks in advance!
Hi Ayida
Thanks for your message.
In terms of length, I would say to go with something around 149 as advanced rider for an all-mountain board, but as a beginner I would take off some length – as a rule of thumb 3-5cm. So a range of 144 to 146 would be good for you, IMO.
In terms of width, I would go somewhere between 225mm and 235mm at the waist, if you ride with a decent angle on your back binding (e.g. 12-15 degrees). If you ride with a straigher back foot (e.g. 0 – 6 degrees), then something between 232mm and 242mm would be a good range. If you’re not sure of your bidning angles yet, then something 232mm to 240mm is probably the way to go.
With all that in mind, the following sizes would suit you for the Emoticon and the Rossi boards in this list, IMO:
~ Emoticon: 146cm (239mm waist)
~ Frenemy: 144cm (239mm waist)
~ Tesla: 143cm (236mm waist) – though this is getting on the short size for you, even as a beginner, but the next size up is 148 which is getting a bit long, IMO.
~ Gala: 146cm (234mm waist)
~ Myth: 144cm (236mm waist)
In terms of bindings, check out the list at the link below. Any of those bindings should be a good match for these boards.
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
Hope this helps
Hi! I was wondering if you could help me choose a board. I started recently and can get down the greens slowly or fall once or twice with more speed. My problem is mostly with turning and getting caught in the snow. Anyways, I rented boards and had a 154 and 155. I am 5’10,” 140 pounds, and 17 years old (done growing). I have a size 10 boot so I’m not sure if all women’s boards are wide enough for my foot. If you could recommend a board or two and bindings as well, that’d be fantastic. Also, a board that I can progress with would be nice but not necessary. I don’t plan on trying any tricks until I can get down a black with easy. Anyways, thank you in advance!
Hi Victoria
Thanks for your message.
In terms of size, I would say something around a 153 would be a good size for you at a more advanced level, but as a beginner, it’s a good idea to go shorter – 3-5cms shorter as a rule of thumb, so something 148 to 150 would be a good range to look at. Maybe looking at the latter end of that range or even up to 151 if you’re looking for something that remains a good size as you advance.
With size 10s, I’d say something that’s at least 240mm in terms of waist-width, but only that narrow if you ride with a reasoable angle on your back binding (e.g. 9-15 degrees). If you ride with a straighter back foot (e.g. 0 – 6 degrees), then probably want to look at at least 245mm waist.
So, depending on binding angles, I would say that:
~ YES Emoticon 149 (241mm waist) – depending on back binding angle – this is also a good option for progressing on
~ Rome Royal 150 (248mm waist) – a good option if you ride with a relatively straight back foot
~ Rossignol Frenemy 150 (241mm waist) – another good option for progressing on, but also a bit of a steeper learning curve – it’s a little stiffer flexing
Hope this helps
Hello,
Thanks for all this great info. I’ve been learning for about 3 years initially learnt on a dry slope here in the UK, had a couple days in Finland, 5 days in Whistler the odd day in a fridge, I’ve just come back from a week in Austria, and we have booked another trip to France in March. On the last trip, I felt I progressed a lot. I’m 5’7 and weigh 138lb I was riding a 150 Rossignol general rental board.
By the end of the trip, my turns were feeling great I was having a go at small presses and ollies and very short attempt at switch. Enjoying steeper red runs working on quick turns and I was actually having fun on the cat tracks too.
So definitely have the bug and looking to get my own board. I’ve been combing the internet and am probably more confused than I was at the start. Haha. I don’t really want to buy a board I’ll grow out off too quickly. Also, I do have quite big feet. I wear Nike boots mondo size 27.5. (but they are not very bulky boots.) So I’m a bit worried about the width of the board I need.
So i’d be really keen to know what you might recommend.
Thanks!
Rachel
Hi Rachel
Thanks for your message.
In terms of size, I would say that something around 150 is a good way to go. As a complete beginner I’d say more like 146 to 148, but since it sounds like you are at more of an intermediate level and you have been comfortable on a 150, then I think something around there is a good way to go. And 150 is a size that you can stay with indefinitely.
In terms of width, I think it’s probably a good idea to look at something at least 244mm in terms of waist width, and only then if you have binding angles around +15/-15 (i.e. something with a reasonable angle on the back foot). With a straighter back foot, something more like 250mm at the waist would be a safer bet. This is just an estimate of course and is probably being on the safer side.
From what you’re describing an all-mountain or all-mountain-freestyle board would suit you well.
I think something like the Rossignol Frenemy 150 would be a great fit for you, but I’d be concerned it’s a bit narrow.
The YES Emoticon is another good option – but again, the sizing isn’t quite there – the 149 would be a good length but it’s risking being too narrow also. The 152 has a 252mm which would be plenty wide enough but maybe too wide, unless you ride with a straight back foot – and the length is getting on the longer side too.
I think the Niche Sonnet would be a great option – 151cm, 247mm waist width, all-mountain freestyle.
The Jones Twin Sister would also be a good match – cutting it fine on being too narrow as well – the 149 has a 242mm waist. But you might get away with that.
Another option could be to look at some men’s options – something like the YES Typo 149 (248mm waist) could work. Let me know if you’re open to men’s boards and I can have a look at some more options there if you’d like.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks so much for the info, I found a Burton deja vu 2017 – (so a bit cheaper) in a 149 width on this is 242 with large women’s burton stiletto bindings. Haven’t been able to try it as the store is a 4h drive away but looking into that option. I would consider a men’s boards. Whatever fits best really. Thank you!
P.S Just looked up the Niche Sonnet which looks great but I can’t find it anyone selling it in the UK unfortunately.
Hi Rachel
That’s unfortunate as I think that would have been a great option for you.
I’ve also just discovered this – Amplid Gogo – Not a company I know much or have seen much of but the 151 has a 247 waist… Could this be a good option?
Thanks Rachel
Hi Rachel
I’ve heard of Amplid but know very little about them and haven’t had any experience with any of their gear. But based on the specs it looks like it would be something suitable for you. And I think the size would work. I was thinking nothing over 150 – but 151 isn’t too far over, so it could work – but like I say I don’t know anything about them except for the specs I read on that one board.
Hi Rachel
I think the Deja Vu would be a suitable board for you – I’d say it’s probably not something for a complete beginner but for high level beginner and up, this is a good option, IMO. My biggest concern is whether it would be wide enough for you. It would be a risk. With +15/-15 angles you might get away with it but it’s cutting it close, I would say.
In terms of boards, the YES Typo 149 (248mm waist) is an option like I mentioned and also the YES Basic of the same size – the YES Basic is pretty much the men’s version of the Emoticon. Or the Burton Instigator 150 (248mm waist) and Rossignol District 150 (247mm waist) – but note that these are really strictly a beginner boards, IMO, and might be something that you grow out of quite quickly given how much you’re progressing. The Salomon Sight 150 (245mm waist) is another option.
Hi Nate,
Great thanks for all your advice! lots to look at and think about.
You’re very welcome Rachel. Would be interested to know what you decide on
Hi Nate,
I’ve been going through lots of snowboards makes looking at the waist measurements. I like the look of the Yes typo haven’t found a 149 yet so I’m keeping that in mind, I’ve also discovered the Rome Heist in the 150 it has a 250 waist it’s a bit stiffer than I have been looking at though, do you think this could be a good option?
Hi Rachel
Unfortunately the Heist isn’t really a good beginner option (it was in the past but the recent models changed this board quite a bit – pre 2017 model, it was a much more forgiving board). It’s become too stiff and also it’s not mostly camber and will be much easier to catch an edge on. It’s quite an aggressive ride now and not easy for a beginner.
Very big request,
Snowboarding beginner family on a tight budget,
We have signed up and started lessons on rental equipment. We all have the bug and are keen to set ourselves up with our own kit. The only way I can manage this is through 2nd hand equipment for all 3 of us (myself, my wife and my son (age11)). I would love to buy us all some brand new kit bit it’s just not an option. I have found all the information you have posted great but would appreciate further (more specific) guidance if possible. Given that I will be responsible for viewing the condition of the 2nd hand equipment are there any Key things I should look out for or be cautious of?
If I am looking at older kit is there a couple of ideal boards, bindings and boots that I could keep an eye out for each of us?
Any guidance or direction you can give is much appreciated.
Alan
Hi Alan
Thanks for your message.
I don’t have much experience with buying used gear, but here are some things you should look out for.
1. Cracks. If there are any cracks along the edges of a snowboard, or anywhere else for that matter, then it’s probably not worth getting. The crack will have weakened the board and can let moisture into it too. Scratches and that kind of thing are inevitable and that’s fine, but cracks are a no go, IMO.
2. Check the bindings. If you can, unscrew the bindings and check the condition of the screw holes. And make sure it’s screwing in tight and there are no threaded screw holes. If they won’t allow you to unscrew the bindings at least check for tightness by holding the board steady and trying to wiggle the bindings. If the base plate moves about or feels loose, then I’d pass on those.
3. The base. Check for any “core shots”. Small gouges in the wax are ok. But if you have deep gouges then it might be gouging into the core. This can be expensive to repair if the board has a “sintered” base. Cheaper to repair with an “extruded” base.
4. Check for delamination of the top sheet. If the top sheet looks like it is “peeling” that’s not a good thing. If there a few chips and scratches in it that’s fine – that’s normal for used gear
5. Rusted edges are usually not a big deal. All of my boards get a little bit of surface rust on them around the tip and tail. This isn’t a problem area since these areas don’t make contact with the snow. Rust in other areas will effect the sharpness and consistency of your edges but it’s easy to fix and usually a good sharpening of the edges sorts this out.
6. I would test binding straps to make sure that they’re working properly.
7. Test any tool-less adjustments on the bindings to make sure they’re working properly.
8. For boots. Make sure they’ve still got a decent sole on them. If it looks like it’s getting thin, then they won’t last long. Also check for other damage, particularly around the lacing. And make sure to try them on of course – so that you can see that they do up properly – you should try them on anyway to make sure they fit properly too.
Another thing I would say is, try to find something that’s not too old. This is for a couple of reasons.
a. older gear, if you go back more than 5 years, isn’t as good as more current gear – and you’re not likely to get it that much cheaper
b. older gear is more likely to be more damaged/worn
c. Go too old and things start to become less compatible with recent gear – e.g. if you got a board with Burton’s 3D mounting pattern, then it will be harder to find bindings to fit that these days – so if you were looking to upgrade just one part of your setup in the future, there could be compatibility issues if you go too old.
Most of the boards in the lists on this site have been around for a few years now – so if you can find older models of anything on these lists that’s a good start. Otherwise, if you find something that’s not on one of the lists, and you’re not sure feel free to send me a message, and I can let you know if I think it’s suitable or not.
Awesome that you’ve got the bug and good luck for your search!
Oh yeah and check out GearTrade.com too – they buy and sell second hand snowboard gear.
Hi Nate,
Your article is extremely helpful, I’m so glad I found it!
This week I dusted off my snowboard after about 11 years in storage. I boarded for several years as a teenager and still have my set up – it’s a K2 spitfire 150cm, size 8.5 Burton Emerald Boots, and Burton Lexa bindings (all from roughly the 2005/2006 season).
I was happy to find that I hadn’t lost all of my skills in the last decade, but I am definitely coming back in as a beginner. I can link turns and easily go down green hills, but fell quite a bit on the steeper sections of blue hills. I found it difficult to really get onto my toe edge, and after reading your article I think it may be a good idea to consider a new board, since the technology seems to have improved so much.
My goals are really just to progress to being able to confidently get down the hill and have some fun, and ultimately I see myself being more interested in jumps/tricks than getting lots of speed. The conditions I board in are also quite icy.
I’m 5’6 and weigh 150-155lbs, size 8.5 boots.
I’m currently leaning towards the Frenemy, what do you think? And would 147cm be a good size options? I’m concerned about the boot size as well being 8.5, however they are Burton so low profile?
Please feel free to suggest other options. I was really interested in the Rome Royal but I’ve had a hard time finding it in Canada.
Also, do you think I can get away with keeping my current boots & bindings, or would it be worth upgrading at this point? Anything to progress quicker!
Thanks!
Katie
Hi Katie
Thanks for your message.
I think either the Frenemy or the YES Emoticon would be great options for you.
In terms of size I would say something around 147 to 149 would be a good length for you. So for those two boards:
~ Frenemy: 147cm (240mm waist) – or you could go 150cm (241mm waist) – the longer length would be better in the long run for speed and powder, but slightly tougher to learn on and not as good for tricks and jumps – so based on what you describe, probably leaning towards the 147.
~ Emoticon: 149cm (241mm waist)
In terms of width, you should be fine on any of those options, IMO.
For your older gear, I would say keep the Emeralds. You can ride those until they fall apart. They’re a mid-flexing boot and I think that’s fine (and they’re probably softer flexing than that by now). The Lexa’s are stiffer flexing – so they’ll be harder to progress on. I think if you changed to something a little softer, you’d have an easier time progressing. You’d still get by on the Lexa’s but it will be a more difficult progression than something a little softer.
If you wanted to stay Burton, then either Escapade or Scribe (if you wanted to something around that medium flex, which is what the Frenemy is the Emeralds are). If you wanted to go a little softer flexing, then you could look at the Sitletto. Or check out some other options in the following lists, for other options.
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
>>Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps
Hi Nate
I am a beginner snowboarder who has 2 seasons under her belt. I have decided it is time to treat myself to a new board, but want to do this right. I have a board that is very heavy and I would say flat and I find it hard to lift my legs once I have fallen to get to my toe side to get up. I should mention I am 52, 5’7, and 170 pounds, and not as fit as I once have been. I can’t even tell you the name of board I do have at moment. So all that said I need to move forward. Conditions I would be in as I am in Ontario is icy and or man made mostly, so I am not sure if the boards in your article would be available in Canada. So looking for some insight on model and size. I would consider myself a beginner still as I have a great fear of falling and speed, so still on our bunny hill and just finally was able to turn today, which is my goal for this season.
Thank You
Suzanne
Hi Suzanne
Thanks for your message.
Most of these boards should be available in Canada, as far as I know.
In terms of size, I would say that something around 150 to 152 would be a good length for you, as a beginner. If you could also let me know your boot size, that would be great and we can look at something that will also be suitable in terms of width.
I would say that one of the following (depending on width) would be a good option for you, given that you regularly ride in icy conditions.
~ YES Emoticon 149 (242mm waist width) – depending on boot size the 152 might be a better option
~ Never Summer Onyx 149 (234mm waist width) – but again would depend on boot size.
~ GNU B-Nice 151 (240mm)
The Rossignol Frenemy could be another option (in the 150) as it’s good in icy conditions – but I just think it’s just a little on the stiff side for you at this point.
Burton Genie 152cm would be a nice easy ride and nice and light (and I’d say easily available). Only thing is edge-hold in icy conditions not going to as good as the other options mentioned.
Hope this helps and gives you some options
Hi Nate
Thank you for the reply…..on further search, yes all boards available here in Canada mentioned in your article. I will check now on the boards you have recommended. I noticed that the boards mentioned are not in top 5 of your article, is it because I mentioned icy conditions? My boot size is a 9.
Thank you again
Suzanne
Hi Suzanne
You’re very welcome.
Yeah those recommendations take into account that you need something that’s good in icy conditions. The boards weren’t specifically rated for that to make this list – for your circumstances, I think something that can handle those conditions well is an important factor.
In terms of width, with size 9s, anything between 235mm and 245mm should be fine for you. If you have binding angles around 0-3 degrees on your back foot, I wouldn’t go any narrower than around 235mm and if you angles are more like 12 – 15 degrees on the back foot, then no more than 240mm. If you have a reasonable angle on your back foot, then I think you’d be fine on the Onyx 149 (234mm waist). If you have a straight back foot (0-3 degrees) that’s risking being too narrow. The 242mm width on the Emoticon 149 and the 240mm on the B-Nice 151 should be all good, regardless of angles. The 152 Emoticon would be too wide for you, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
I was searching for a good beginner snowboard and stumbled in this wonderful article.
Do you think a size 139 board would be a good fit for me. I am 4’11” and 88lbs.
Thank you so much! More power to you
Hi Rose
Thanks for your message.
I think that 139 would be too long for your specs. I would say 136 at the maximum and even then I think you’d probably be better off, especially as a beginner, with something more like 132 to 134. You would have to look at youth sized boards to get those lengths, so if you really wanted a women’s board, then as far as I know you’d have to go with 136 – which I think is doable for you, but I wouldn’t go as long as 139.
From this list, that would mean Rossignol Tesla 136 (232mm waist width). That’s a really good choice though. But there definitely are limited options for women’s boards for that kind of size – most start at 138cm and up.
If you could also let me know your boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of your boot size yet) – then I can recommend a good width range to look at – width is also important. It might be the case that some youth boards are better suited width-wise also. If you can let me know that, and if you’re happy to go with a youth option, I can recommend some options, if you’d like.
Hope this helps
Hello Nate
Thank you for taking the time to reply. My boot size is 6. Do you have any suggestions as far as a youth board I can use to progress from beginner – intermediate? Thanks again
Hi Rose
Thanks for the extra info.
With size 6, you probably don’ want to go any wider than around 230mm in terms of waist width – and you could go with something as narrow as 215mm I would say, but only that narrow with +15/-15 angles (i.e. with a back foot on a reasonable angle) – I’d say at least 220mm if you have a straighter back foot (0-3 degrees).
So a youth board would be more suitable width-wise, IMO.
Some good beginner options might be (based on specs only as I have no first hand knowledge with youth boards):
~ Roxy Inspire 134cm (232mm waist)
~ Never Summer Starlet 136cm (232mm waist)
~ Burton Deja Vu Smalls 134cm (233mm waist)
~ Burton Feelgood Smalls 135cm (233m waist)
~ K2 Kandi 134cm (226mm waist)
A lot of these options are probably on the wider side for you, IMO, but there aren’t too many options that are narrower (bar the K2 Kandi) at the length we want, so that might just have to be a compromise. They are at least narrower than the women’s options. Also, sizing around that 134cm length, even if you’re a little wider should be fine. So, I think the Roxy Inspire 134, Burton Deja Vu 134 and the K2 Kandi 134 are probably the best options, IMO – but the others are certainly doable too.
Hope this helps and gives you some options.
Wow great!
Yes it did help tremendously. I just bought the Myth 146! Got it through the link on this page too. I am SUPER excited. I appreciate all your help Nate! I don’t know what I would do had I not found this page. Thanks so much!!!
You’re very welcome Audrey.
Did you go with the Gala 146 or the Myth 144 – just that your post says Myth 146 – either way, great job. Would be interested to know what you think of it once you’ve had a chance to ride it.
I got the Gala 146! It just came in the mail today- it’s a beauty and I cannot wait to take it on the mtns! I’ll let you know what I think. Again, I appreciate all the help in this 🙂
Awesome! Love getting new gear! Hope you enjoy it and look forward to hearing what you think.
Hey Nate I’m trying get some bindings now and would love some input. I read your review on top beginner bindings and am leaning towards the Flux GU. I have a size 7 thirtytwo stw boot and I got the Rossignol Gala 146 board. Im not sure what size to get for the Flux GU bindings. On the size chart, size 7 fits both an XS (size 5-7) and S (size 7-9). My boots have a little overhang on the width of the Gala board already also. Would you rec the XS or S bindings w my setup?
Hi Audrey
Thanks for your message.
Good thing you have a bit of overhang (as long as it’s not too excessive). You want your feet to span edge to edge on the board (that’s where the leverage is coming from) – so you’ll naturally have some overhang with the boots. So long as it’s not like more than an inch each toe and heel (so 2 inches total), then you should be ok. Try to setup so that you’re overhang is even between heel and toe, and if you can’t quite get it even, then more overhang on the heel edge is better than more on the toe. Also, note that the overhang should be measured from the metal edge at the base of the board, not the top sheet edge – the top sheet edge is always narrower than the edge at the base.
For size 7s for Flux bindings, I think the S would be better than the XS. The main reason I would go with S is that when my wife tried on XS Flux she found her boots were too wide for the heel cup – not all boots will be, but there’s a risk there. And since you can fit on either, I think the S would be the safer bet. And there shouldn’t be any issue with the bindings being too wide for the board – I haven’t had a chance to measure any women’s Flux bindings but my Large Flux DS measure 24.5cm for the base plate with the toe ramp and heel ramp all the way in. I imagine the S’s would be a fair bit smaller than that and with a waist width of 23.4cm, the waist at the inserts should be at least 24cm and likely a bit more than that (you could always measure the waist at the inserts to be sure) and I imagine the length of the base plate of the S size Flux bindings would be less than that.
Hope this makes sense and helps you to decide.
Hi Nate,
I’m so happy to stumble upon your article! Perfect timing since I’m about to bite the bullet and finally buy my first snowboard (I’ve rented far too many times)! A little bit about me:
I’m 5’2″ (159 cm), 112 lbs (51 kg), boot size 7.5, maybe you could help me with sizing?
I’ve ridden about 13 times total spanning over 2 full seasons, this is my third season
I mostly do blues and recently started tackling blacks, so far no wipeouts this season!
I can do skidded S turns very well, I barely ever fall now even while going fast. I suppose I’m intermediate.
My main goal this season is to become a pro at carving :S
I live near Toronto, the conditions are usually granular. Hopefully I’ll make trips to Quebec as well where there is more powder. Because of this, I’m looking for something that can help me ride in hard snow as well as occasional powder.
I’m mainly looking at the following boards because they are on sale here haha (sub $300 this time of the season!!). Because I’m well into intermediate, I need something that will last me a while. I rarely ever catch an edge doing skidded turns but I really wanna focus of that pencil thin carving line this year.
Rossi Frenemy
K2 Duchess
Ride Rapture
Rossi Justice
K2 Bright Lite
K2 Lime Lite
Roxy Ally
Ride Saturday
Roxy Radiance C2 BTX
Roxy Banana Smoothie EC2
Could you please recommend from this list?
Thanks a bunch!!
Anna
Hi Anna
Thanks for your message.
In terms of sizing, I’d say that anything roughly around a 141 to 143 would be a good length for your specs/ability. In terms of width, you would want something at least less than 240mm but probably not narrower than 232mm.
Given that you are an intermediate rider, looking to focus on carving, and you need something that will be good in hard/icy conditions but also ok in powder, I think the Rossignol Frenemy would be the best choice from that list. And in terms of sizing the 144 would be the only option really, IMO. It’s on the longer end of the scale for you, IMO, but it ticks all the other boxes and still a reasonable size for you.
The Justice would also do a good job, I would say – but the shortest/narrowest option is 145 (242mm waist) so I think the Frenemy 144 is a better option size-wise there.
The Bright Lite and Lime Lite aren’t going to be as good for carving, IMO. They are flat-to-rocker boards (so no camber in the profile) – if you’re looking to really improve your carving, then having some camber in there is a good idea. The Camber in the Frenemy and the Justice isn’t too overpowering either – you get a good bit of rocker with the camber – so they’re still not going to be catchy at all – but will just give you a bit more spring and bite for your carves, IMO. The Lime Lite as well is probably too soft to be a good carver – and it’s really more of a park board, so it’s not really designed for carving.
I don’t really know the K2 Duchess, but I think it will lack camber too, and probably a bit soft.
The Rapture is more of a freestyle board, IMO, and again has that flat-to-rocker profile. It’s also not going to be as good in icy conditions, IMO.
The Saturday is an option. It’s got a bit more camber in there and more suitable for carving. The 142cm would be a good length for you, IMO, though a little wider than ideal at 240mm but still doable. The biggest thing would be edge-hold in hard/icy conditions compared to the Rossi’s.
Roxy are made by Mervin – who also make Lib Tech and GNU boards and have a reputation for great edge-hold in hard/icy conditions. So they tick that box.
The Ally is probably not really an option – there isn’t really any camber in there to speak of and it’s probably a little soft. Not something that’s going to help you excel with carving, IMO.
The Banana Smoothie EC2 would be an option, though it would still be quite feeling of the 3 Roxy’s. The 142 (235mm waist) would be the best size, IMO.
The Roxy Radiance would be the best option out of the Roxy’s in my opinion, in terms of carving particularly. I’d say that the 141cm (235mm waist) would be the best option for you and a good size.
I think the Rossi Frenemy is the best option, but the Roxy Radiance is a close second – and is a better size for you, IMO. So, I would be weighing up between those two.
Hope this helps
Wow, thanks for your advice!
Unfortunately, the smallest size they had in the frenemy and radiance was 147/148 so I decided to pick up the rossi justice in 145. It’s quite similar to the frenemy and since I tried out a 145 board last weekend, it think it will work out well!
Could you also recommend bindings and shoes that might pair well with the justice?
I’m trying to settle between burton citizen and k2 cassette for bindings and dc karma and burton coco for shoes.
Thanks so much for your insight!!
Hi Anna
You’re very welcome.
Since the Justice is a medium flexing board, and since it’s at the longer/wider end of the scale for you, I think that you shouldn’t go too soft flexing for your boots and bindings. That’s because it’s harder for softer flexing boots and bindings to transfer the energy needed to power a stiffer board. Softer bindings and boots are fine for softer flexing boards, because they don’t need as efficient an energy transfer – hope that makes sense – anyway, better to go for something more medium flex for your justice – which rules out the Burton Citizen and Burton Coco. The K2 Cassette is a better flex match for the Justice, IMO.
For boots, the Karma are probably still a little on the soft side. If DC boots fit you well, then I would go up to the Search for the Justice. Or if you wanted to go Burton, then something like the Ritual or the Limelight would be a better option – I know more expensive too, but a better match for that setup, IMO. But also check out the following lists for more medium flex options.
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
>>My Top Women’s All-Mountain Snowboard Boots
For boots I would go with whatever feels the best, in a medium flex, regardless of brand.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for all your insight and recs on here. It is extremely helpful. I wanted to get your recommendations. I am 28 years old, 5’7” and about 128 lbs. I wear a US size 7 boot. I switched to snowboarding last year after skiing a few seasons and fell in love with boarding. Im planning to go a few times every season and wanted to buy a board where I can really learn and have fun progressing on. Although I go to Colorado every year, I live in Philly so will be on some icy conditions as well. Mainly all-mountain boarding as well.
I found a deal online for the 2017 ride rapture for a good deal at 147 cm. According to the size chart I am a 147 cm but all the other boards I was more in the 144 cm length so would 147 be too long for a beginner? Any and all suggestions I’m open to and would appreciate.
My husband also would like your insight. He is 6 ft, wears US size 11.5 boots and is about 165 lbs. He is thinking about getting the YES Typo. He’s beginner-intermediate and wondering board size. Would a 156 Wide work? Or could he go with a narrow/regular board slightly longer. What is your size suggestion?
Thanks in advance!!!
Hi Audrey
Thanks for your message.
I’d put you on around a 148, 149 at an advanced level. As a progressing beginner (assuming that’s accurate), I would say take off at least a couple of cms from that and up to 5cm. So, 144 to 147. So, the Rapture in the 147 would be at the longer end of the scale for you, but it would be doable.
In terms of width, with size 7’s, I would say you would want to be at least under 240mm in terms of waist width – and even that would be on the wide end, IMO. The 2017 Rapture 147 has a 242mm waist width. So my main concern with this board is that it’s slightly too wide. The issue if it’s too wide is that it becomes harder to get leverage on the edges which means more effort for initiating turns.
It’s not a size that’s way off for you, but not ideal either – it’s on the big end of your range, IMO, given that it’s at the higher end for both length and width for you.
For your husband, I think the Typo is a good choice for his level. In terms of sizing, I wouldn’t go any narrower than a 258mm waist width – and only that narrow if he has binding angles with a decent angle on the back binding (something like 12 degrees, 15 degrees). If his back binding angle is quite straight (like 0 degrees, 3 degrees or something like that) then he’ll need to go wider. So, IMO, I wouldn’t go for regular width for him.
In terms of length, I think somethign 159, 160 would be something he could ride at a more advanced level – as a beginner bordering on intermediate something a little shorter would be more appropriate, IMO. So, I think the 156W would certainly work, assuming a reasonable back binding angle. That would be the best length for him for this board, IMO. The 159W would be getting a bit long, IMO – but if he rides with quite a straight back binding angle, it may be more appropriate width-wise.
Hope this helps
Wow you rock. Thanks so much for your quick and detailed response! I am so happy I found your site.
My husband bought the Yes Typo after reading this :)! So after reading your reply, I see how the sizing is different for the Ride Rapture 2017 model and on the larger size for both length and width for me. So..change of plans.
I’ve narrowed it down to:
K2 first lite 146
Rossi myth 144
Rossi frenemy 147 (or 144?)
YES emoticon 146
What would your recommendations be? I would say I am a progressing beginner.
Thanks in advance!! Hope you had a good MLK day
Hi Audrey
You’re very welcome. Hope you had a great MLK day too.
In terms of having something that would last you longer in terms of skill level, but still be great for progressing on, I think the YES Emoticon 146 would be a great pick. The Rossi Frenemy too, in terms of being a slightly more advanced board. For that one though, I would go for the 144cm. Since it’s a slightly stiffer board and you would want to size down a bit – it’s probably the hardest to progress on out of the options here.
The First Lite 146 is what I would consider probably the best size for you (just in terms of being a little narrower) and the board that will provide the fastest progression (as well as the Myth/Gala – see notes below).
The Myth 144 is also a good size and will be a fast progressor. However, I think that the Gala might be better suited, given that it’s more all-mountain focused and that sounds what you’re looking for, it’s basically the same board as the Myth but has a more directional shape and a little bit of a setback. Both would do the job for progressing on, but the Myth is something that would lead more into freestyle riding as you became more advanced.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hi Nate
Thank you for the information sharing.
After few times snowboarded experience in Japan, I am planning to buy a snowboard this season, I’m still a beginner, last season I try to make S-turns on blue-line, but not always fluently enough .
I am 5’ /106lb with an US5.5-6 boots , the store usually lend me a board with 139cm, I am not sure should I buy a short one? And the flex is also a condition to decide.
After read the article, I still have some problems. The snowboard who has shorter length usually the style of board is freestlye, but for a beginner, I think I should choose one for “All-Mountain” right?
Rossignol Myth 139
Rossignol Tesla 136/139
Salomon Oh Yeah 138
These snowboards length look suit for me, but the style of board is freestlye/park, I really need your suggestions, please let me know what boards do you suggest. THANKS.
Hi Evelyn
Thanks for your message.
I would put you roughly on a 139, 140cm as an advanced rider. But as a beginner, though certainly not a complete beginner, something around 135 – 138cm would be appropriate, IMO.
Width is another factor, and with 5.5 to 6s, something with a narrower waist width, is a good way to go – it will help to make initiating turns easier. I would say that ideally you would want something with a waist width, less than 230mm. That’s pretty hard to find in women’s boards – but if you can get down to as close to that as possible that would be better.
So I think your best option here, length-wise and width-wise, is the Rossignol Tesla 136 (232mm waist).
The K2 First Lite 138 (232mm waist) is also an option – and is an all-mountain board if going all-mountain is a direction you wanted to go (more on that below)
There are reasons to go all-mountain as a beginner but going for a freestyle board doesn’t necessarily mean you have to ride freestyle/park with it. A lot of freestyle boards are also good for riding the piste, especially for beginners – because they’re often softer flexing and more easy going.
One reason to go all-mountain, is that they are the most versatile style of board – you can do a bit of everything on them – so if you start to develop a taste for powder it can take you in that direction, or if you start to develop a taste for freestyle it can take you in that direction – or if you end up just wanting to stick to riding the groomers it can accommodate that too.
With a freestyle board, once you’re past the beginner phase, and think that you won’t be riding freestyle, you’ll likely want to upgrade to a better all-mountain board – but you’ll probably want to do that anyway from a soft beginner all-mountain board. The advantage of going freestyle is that you’ll have a freestyle board that you can use on park days (if you get into that) and can upgrade to a better all-mountain board for everything else.
But if you want to stay versatile, then yeah all-mountain is the way to go.
The other option is to look at a youth board – there would be more options in terms of sizings, especially width-wise. I don’t know much about youth boards, but let me know if you’re interested in looking at those and I can do some research for some that would be suitable for a beginner going on intermediate level for you.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate
I want to say THANK YOU for your suggestion, finally I bought the K2 First Lite 138, I still try to adapt the board, but I have a great experience with it, hope I can improve my riding skill and become better than before. Thanks a lot again.
You’re very welcome Evelyn.
Keep putting in the practice and it will pay off!
Hi Nate
I was wondering if you could help me determine a board that would best fit me. I am 20 years old, 5’3″ and about 120 lbs. The boots I own are the Ride Sage in a size 6. This is my first season, so I’m definitely a beginner but I would prefer a board that would last a while as I progress.
I’ve been looking at the Burton Genie, but I wasn’t sure if it’s a good choice if I would need to upgrade quickly. I also live in New England and I saw the Rossignol Frenemy and YES Emoticon were good for icy conditions in this article. My biggest concern is the size of those two boards. The smallest size for the Frenemy is 144 and for the Emoticon is 143. Do you think these boards would be too long? I am a gymnast so I think I’m rather athletic but I’m not sure if this should effect my choice too.
Thanks for help in advance I really appreciate it!
Isabel
Hi Isabel
Thanks for your message.
For your specs, I would recommend something around a 144cm at an advanced level – as a beginner it’s a good idea to take off 3-5cm (as a rule of thumb) which would put you in a 139 to 141 range. Given that you want something that would last you a long time – going up to a 143cm might be doable, but it would mean a steeper learning curve compared to a shorter option. Though, if you are quite strong/athletic, that definitely does make a difference and would also help to make that longer size more suitable.
So on balance, the 143cm Emoticon sounds like it could work for you – and like you say it’s great for icy conditions, so if you experience them a lot, then it’s another tick. The waist width is probably at the wide end for size 6 boots (and going too wide can make it more difficult to apply pressure to the edges, which can make it physically more difficult to turn – but having that strength/athleticism is going to help there too and 237mm is going to be doable – just at the wider end of the scale for 6s.
There are definitely some other options there, size-wise, but a lot of those are boards you would want to upgrade from reasonably quickly – if you’re looking for something that you won’t have to upgrade, I think the Emoticon looks like the best option. The Frenemy too – but just being a little longer and a little wider, I would be leaning towards the Emoticon.
Another option could be the GNU Ladies Choice – it’s a little more advanced (it’s stiffer but again that athleticism helps there) but the 142.5cm (232mm) would be a good size for you, IMO. And it’s definitely the kind of board you wouldn’t need to upgrade from, ever. And you could stick with that size. Again, it’s going to be a steeper learning curve and my biggest concern would be the flex (it’s not super-stiff by any means – but it’s medium flex, whereas medium-soft or soft is easier for beginners). It’s also great in icy conditions, so it’s another option to consider.
Hope this gives you some options
Thank you so much! After looking into the three a little more I think I the Emoticon will be the best choice. The GNU Ladies Choice looks like an awesome board, however I think the learning curve would be a little too steep and is a bit out of budget. The only issue with the Emoticon is it’s very hard to find in my size. However, maybe that’s a blessing in disguise. Worst case scenario I wait for next season’s board to purchase. If so I can improve my riding and become better prepared for a board that’s a little longer.
Hi Isabel.
You’re very welcome. Hopefully you can find the Emoticon in your size and if not like you say, wait for next season to get the 143. Hope you enjoy the rest of this season!
Hi there Nate,
I’m Isabella from Italy , new to snowboarding ( a few lessons taken) and not able very well to turn yet 🙁 .
I’m using a Capita horrorscope 1.50 m (2014/2015) (rented at school) but I’d like to buy my first snowboard for my birthday. I’m a bit confused about the size. My height is 1.72 m and my weight varies between 63 and 65 kg . Which one would you recommend? Thank u in advance!
Hi Isabella
Thanks for your message.
At an advanced level I would put you on something around a 151 – but as a beginner it’s a really good idea to go shorter – as a rule of thumb take off 3-5cm. So, for you, that would between 146 to 148 would be a good range to look at.
So whilst I consider the Horrorscope a good board for beginners, I think it’s too long for you – and it’s likely to be a 151cm if it’s the 2014/15 model. Also, this is potentially too wide for you as well (252mm waist width) – width is another thing that’s important to get right – it doesn’t have to be exact but going too wide can make it much harder to turn. The Horrorscope is a men’s board – and whilst there is no problem with that in general, men’s boards are often too wide for women. But if you could let me know your boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of your boot size yet), then I can recommend what a good width would be.
Finding out the width might also be able to narrow down your options more.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
Many thanks for your answer.
I’ve just bought Nitro Women’s Monarch TLS black/purple 39 (25.5 cm).
Looking for boards you suggested I came accross an offer in Amazon.it about Rome Royal 2018 incl. SHIFT BLACK SNOWBOARD Set Incl. binding (size 147 or 150 cm) . Could the 147 be right ? Or do you have any other solution? Moreover the right binding size is S or M?
I’m sorry for the many questions but you always give clear and interesting answers . I have to say this is very rare …… you’re a passionate person who wants to convey your enthusiasm for this sport.
Thanks! 🙂
Hi Isabella
You’re very welcome.
Yeah that Horrorscope is definitely too wide for you for your boot size.
For the Royal, the 147 would be the better length for you, IMO. My only concern there is that it’s still a little too wide. The Royal is quite wide for a women’s board. You’d certainly have the advantage of being shorter and a little bit narrower than the Horrorscope but ideally, something narrower than this.
Binding sizes depend on the brands, but for Rome Shift bindings, the S would be the best size for you, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Hi Nate,
I have been riding for the past 7 seasons but I am very much still a beginner. I am 5’1″ and weigh 110. My bindings are K2 Clincher and shoe size is womens 6.5. My first board was Rossignol 139 all camber board which I could not turn. On advice from a shop “pro”, I bought a Ride Rapture 143 which was ok but still had trouble turning on green trails. Thinking it was the board’s length, I bought a Rapture 138 on sale which I currently ride. I have had sightly better success turning this board but as with ever beginner I am still over turning the board to slow down…working on that.
My question: Do you think this is the right board for my height and weight?
My daughter (who is 12) just got a girls K2 Kandi 134cm. I have actually thought about trying it! We ride 7-8 times per season on average, mostly east coast riding.
Thank you in advance for the advice. Much appreciated!!
Nicole
Hi Nicole
Thanks for your message.
I would put you on around a 140cm at an advanced level. As a beginner, taking off 3-5cm is a good idea – so that would put you in the range of 135 to 137. As a beginner with a bet of experience though, I would say that 138cm should be fine for you – but definitely good to go down to that as I think the 143cm was too long for you.
The other thing is the width. Even the 138 (I’m assuming 2017 model or earlier as there isn’t a 138 for the 2018 models) has a 238mm waist on it, which is getting on the wide side for 6.5s. The 240mm would have been even worse on the 143cm. So, I think something narrower would also help. If a board is too wide it’s more effort to turn it.
The K2 kandi 134 has a 226mm waist on it, so it’s considerably narrower. I would definitely try riding that and see what you think. If it’s considerably easier for you to ride, then I would definitely consider something narrower – it’s shorter as well, but I still think you would be better off on something at least 136cm – but if you did like it, then that width might be part of the problem. And it could also be that you just like something a little shorter. But yeah, I’d try your daughters board and see what you think.
Hope this helps
Thanks for the advice! That makes sense..I did notice that the Rapture seems to be wider compared to a friends board that is the same size.
Assuming I like the width of my daughter’s board, are there any boards in the 135-137cm range that you would recommend? I like the catch free twin rocker of the Rapture since I do ride switch often and also the “surfy” feel.
Hi Nicole
The K2 First Lite 138cm would be a good choice for you, IMO. A narrower board – and I think 138 would be fine for you, assuming it’s a bit narrowe. The 138 First Lite has a 232mm waist – so it should be a good width. The First Lite has the same type of camber profile (Flat-to-Rocker) as the Rapture too. It does have a setback stance though – so not as suitable for riding switch.
The K2 Lime Lite 138cm (236mm waist) does have a true twin shape and centered stance like the Rapture and the same camber profile (flat-to-rocker). It’s a little wider at waist, but it’s still overall narrower than that Rapture – Rapture 138 = 238mm waist, 279mm tip and tail. First Lite = 232mm waist, 273mm tip and tail and the Lime Lite is 236mm waist, 271mm tip and tail. So overall it is narrower, so this could be a good option.
The Rossignol Tesla 136 (232mm waist, 271mm tip and tail) is another option. It’s a shorter length and the narrowest option so far. It’s also got the true twin shape and centered stance. It isn’t a flat to rocker camber profile. There is some camber there between the feet (in place of the flat sections on the other boards) – but there isn’t a lot of camber going on there – it’s mostly rocker (20% camber, 80% rocker), so I think you’d still like the feel of that.
Unfortunately there aren’t heaps of options in that length range without looking to youth boards (which I know very little about) but in saying that, I think any one of those options could work for you.
Hope this gives you some options to consider.
Thank you!! This helps alot!
You’re very welcome Nicole. Hope you have a great season!
Hi there Nate, a couple of years ago when I was planning my first snowboarding trip to Whistler you recommended the Yes Emoticon Board for me. I also chose the flux bindings and 32 boots based on your reviews. They were all awesome suggestions and as I head out to my 3rd season of snowboarding in Whistler I’m still totally satisfied with my gear as it progressed with me perfectly.
You made my learning experience much more enjoyable and I just wanted to say thankyou again for such an awesome blog, you totally rock!
Hi Bianca
Thanks for letting me know. I love getting messages like this! Hope you have an awesome trip to Whistler!
Hi!
Happy new year!
Your reviews rock!!! 🙂
I’m new to snowboarding but I’m doing pretty good (not great but ok considering that I have only been 3 times on the mountain and I’m able to turn without losing control most of the times. I think I’m going to get the K2 first lite but I’m a bit confused about the size. My height is 1.60m and my weight varies between 56 and 58. Should I get the 142 or the 146? Which one would you recommend? Thank u in advance!
Hi Nancy
Thanks for your message.
I would put you on around a 145cm at an advanced level. But as a beginner, even as a fast progressing one by the sounds of it, I wouldn’t go longer than 142, 143. As a rule of thumb I usually recommend to take off 3-5cm as a beginner – so that would be 140 to 142 for you. So, I think the 142 would be the best option for you, for sure.
Hope this helps
Helps a lot! Thank u very much!!! 🙂
You’re very welcome. Hope you have a great season!
Hi Nate,
I really enjoyed reading your articles and learning more about snowboards. I’m currently looking for a snowboard for myself. I have snowboarded twice a few years back, I wasn’t absolutely terrible but i also wasn’t any good. I’m obviously considered beginner and I am hoping to learn a lot this season. I am 5’4 135-140 lbs. what board do you think would best fit me and what size board would you recommend?
Also have you ever heard of the Aperture Cosmo or know if they’re any good for beginners?
Hi Gabriella
Thanks for your message.
In terms of size, I would say something around a 143, 144cm would be a good range to look at. This is taking into account that you are just starting out.
That gives you the option of most boards on this list. To narrow it down, if you want to progress as fast as possible and aren’t worried about having to upgrade once you become more advanced, then I would take a look at one of the boards on this list that’s tagged with “Fast Progression”. If you want something that will last you a little bit longer, in terms of ability level, then something like the YES Emoticon or Rossi Tesla might be good options. If you ride in icy conditions a lot, then something that’s tagged with Hard/Icy is a good option.
Finally, if you could let me know your boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of boot size yet), then we can narrow down which boards will have the best waist width for you – that might help us to narrow down your options a bit more as well.
I have heard of Aperture snowboards but I don’t really know anything about them – not a brand that I know much about or demo at all. But just based on one site where I found specs onthe Cosmo it sounds like it’s probably a bit stiff to be ideal as a beginners board (6-7/10). Couldn’t say for sure but that would put me off recommending it for a beginner.
Hope this helps
Hi there! Thank you so much for the detailed guide! I’m a complete beginner with only a few days of boarding and fell in love.
I’m looking to buy the Rossignol Myth but wasn’t sure what length would be good. I’m just under 5’4″, around 107lbs without gear, and around size US6.5 for boots. Based on your other recommended length chart, I should be looking at boards with standard length of 142 but as a beginner, that gets shortened to 137-139. However, the Myth’s recommended maximum weight for the 139 length is only 110lbs. The next length up is 144 and I’m worried that will be too long. Should I go for the 139 or 144, or choose a different board altogether?
Also, if I stick with the Myth, do you have recommended bindings or boots that will go well with the board? I was considering the Flux GU and Burton Citizen, and Burton Mint Boa and K2 Haven based on your other helpful articles.
Thank you so much for your help!
Hi Ri
Thanks for your message.
I think the Rossignol Myth would be a great first board for you – and the 139 is the best size for you, IMO. I think the 144 will be too long for you at this stage. The weight recommendations are only rough guidelines and you are within them anyway – so I wouldn’t worry about that – and Rossignol do tend to be on the light side for their weight recommendations.
In terms of bindings, the Citizen or the Flux GU would both work well with the Myth.
Also the Mint and Haven will also work well with that setup, IMO.
Hope this helps
Thank you so much for your quick reply, Nate! I will try to find that board here.
Are you aware of what the differences may be between each seasons’ versions of the board, bindings, and boots? I’ve tried to look on their websites but there’s very little information and what was updated or revised.
Thanks so much again!
Hi RI
Very little difference between the Myth 2017 and Myth 2018, so if you can find a 2017 model (and previous models haven’t changed that much for a little while) for a cheaper price, in the right size, then that’s definitely an option.
Same applies to the bindings and boots you are looking at – all very similar to 2017 models.
If you’re looking at something further back, then if you could let me know a specific year, I can look into it, but if you’re looking at 2017 models, then they would still be as appropriate as the 2018 models.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate, your article are really helpful. But I still can’t choose the snowboard and binding.
I’m 5’31ft / 120lb with an US6.5-7 boot.
My boarder experience is beginner- intermediate (maybe), I can go blue lines and make S-turn already. Love ride on powder snow. In the future, I want to learn carving.
And I want to buy the snowboard boots, I have 2 options :
BURTON LIMELIGHT BOA 2018
BURTON STASH HUNTER Speed Zone 2018
Please give me some suggestions or suggest to me which is the best for me.
Thanks for your patient.
Hi Jessica
Thanks for your message.
In terms of length, I would go for something in the range of 140cm to 142cm for your specs and ability level.
In terms of width, assuming size 7s, I would say anything from 232mm waist but no more than 240mm waist.
From this list, I would say the following would be great options for you:
~ Rossignol Gala 142cm (232mm waist)
~ K2 First Lite 142cm (234mm waist)
Or if you felt like you wanted to go shorter then the:
~ Rossignol Tesla 139 (234mm waist)
~ Rossignol Myth 139 (234mm waist)
would also work.
If you want some more options, if those aren’t available to you, let me know.
For bindings, I would look at the following lists. Since you’re close to intermediate you could consider the bindings from the second list – but if you wanted to you could also stick to the beginner bindings.
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Size-wise, it would depend on the brand, but you can check out the table in the following post to see the best binding size for your boot size.
>>Snowboard Binding Sizing
For boots, I haven’t heard of the Burton Stash Hunter – but looking them up, it likes they would be suitable for your ability level. The Limelight Boa would also work for your ability level, IMO. So either one of those should be fine.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate, I’m looking to purchase my first snowboard. I rented one last season and could NOT get my turns down. I am 5’4, 140lbs. What board do you recommend buying for someone like me?
Hi Caroline
Thanks for your message.
Something off this list, is a good place to start. And if you had difficulty getting your turns going, then something here that’s a “fast progression” board would be a good way to go, IMO.
Also size is important. Something too long will be harder to learn on. Also, width is important – so if you also rode something too wide, that might have been difficult to get leverage to the edges – and if you’re working too hard physically, then it makes it harder to technically initiate turns and to get those turns smooth. So if you can let me know your boot size (or shoe size if you’re not sure of your boot size), then I can recommend something that will also be a good width.
In terms of length, I’d say something around a 148cm would be good for your specs as an advanced rider. However, as a beginner it’s a good idea to take off some length (taking off 3-5cm is a good range to look at) so something in the range of 143-145 is probably your best bet. And if you were having difficulties, then I would go for the shorter end of that range. Also this will need to be balanced with width.
So, long story short, I would look at anything on this list around 143cm that is a “fast progression” board. But if you can let me know your boot/shoe size, then we can make sure you get something that’s not too wide or too narrow.
Hope this helps
Hey, I did alot of research before buying my board and ended up with a Burton deja vu (152). I’m beginner to intermediate but trying my board out struggled to get it to turn.
Could it be an issue with how I set up my bindings or do you think the board might be too long for me?
I’m 5ft 6 and 158lbs
Thanks!
Hi Fiona
I’d say that the Deja Vu is ok for a beginner – but it’s probably more aptly an intermediate level board. But being beginner to intermediate, you shouldn’t be too far off it. Sometimes a board can take a bit to get used to, especially if it feels different to what you’re used to. I’d say that the 152 is a good size for you. You could have also gone 149 and that would probably have been easier to turn initially. I would say you’re around a 153 to 154, as an advanced rider – but as a beginner to intermediate more like 149 to 152. So I don’t think you’re too far off there. But the length might be slightly long – as these are all just estimates and some of it comes down to personal preference – some people prefer longer and some shorter than what’s typical.
But let’s make sure that the bindings are ok too – and also that the board isn’t too wide for you – if it’s too wide that can make it more difficult to initiate turns.
So starting with width – if you can let me know your boot size, I can assess whether it’s an appropriate width. The other thing is if you could place your barefoot on your board where the bindings go, and roughly on the angles that you usually ride and see how far inside the edges (or over) the edges that it is. Ideally, your bare feet would go from heel edge to edge but without overhanging too much. A little bit inside and a little bit overhanging is ok but if your feet are too far inside the edges, then it will be harder to get leverage on the edges of the board which will make it harder to initiate turns.
In terms of binding setup. Probably the thing that would most cause difficulty with turns would be if you haven’t got your bindings centered width-ways across the board. So, make sure that your heel overhang and toe overhang are as close to equal as possible. So place your boots in your bindings and check the overhang on both edges. If it’s not equal or close to equal, then you will want to adjust it. Sometimes you can’t get it exactly equal, in which case if there’s a difference, there should be more overhang on the heel edge than there is on the toe edge – but try to get it as equal as possible.
Hope this helps and makes sense! Let me know if you have any further questions or need clarification on anything.
Nate, Looking for a board for my wife who is just beginning. We are in the PA, so lot of hard snow and ice. Based on your reviews, Emoticon appears to be a good choice. Need some help on the size. She is 5’4, 160 lbs and wears a 7 – 8 boot. Thanks in advance.
Hi Tim
Thanks for your messages.
I agree on the Emoticon. This would be a great choice for her, especially given your location
In terms of size, I would say anything between 148 and 150 would be good size for her specs and as a beginner. So for the Emoticon the best size for her would be the 149. The 149s waist width of 241mm is also perfectly suitable for size 7.5 (and also fine for 7 or 8 if she ended up in one of those sizes).
Hope this helps
Great site! Looking for a recommendation for my wife. She is just beginning. She is 5’4″ , 160 lbs, and wears a size 7.5 boot. Thanks in advance.
Forgot to add to the above were on the East Coast, hard/icy conditions. Thanks again.
Wow man thanks for your hard work.
Just bought the Rome Royal for my finance. I’m a little worried. I’ve been seeing some conflicting opinions about the board for beginners. Last year we picked a board up on the cheap and she had a really, REALLY hard time. I picked it up pretty good. So its important to me she has fun. And her for that matter. I was going after the Capita Space metal fantasy and then they sold out on “evo” I was thinking I made a mistake until I stumbled on to your reviews about the royal. I mean, I’ve even seen people thinking the board is for advanced riders and is stiff and heavy for beginers, which was exactly the issue for her last year. By the way I bought last years model. Which I hope doesn’t very too much in specs. It was less expensive and looks cooler imo anyway.
So what should I do? Candle the order. Or trust you? No pressure! Lol
Hi Dan
I did reply to your original message but you may not have seen it. I have copied and pasted it below.
Hi Danny
I would say that she would be fine with the Royal so long as she gets something that’s the right size. The Royal is a wider board – so it’s good for longer feet. If your fiance’s feet aren’t right for it, then it will feel heavier and harder to turn (because her feet won’t be close enough to the edges to provide easy leverage).
Also, if she was to get a size that was too long it would be much harder to ride.
If you want to let me know her height, weight and boot size, then I can recommend a good size range for her (both width and length) and you can see if the Royal you bought is a suitable size – and if not, then I would return it, but if it’s a good size, then it should be fine.
But if you’re still really worried and want to go with something that’s really soft, you could look at something like the Burton Genie, Ride Rapture or K2 First Lite.
Nate: Thanks for all the detailed info, and the many years of answers to these questions! Hopefully this isn’t too much of a repeat question: My wife is 5’7″ tall, 115 lbs without gear, wears a size 7.5 womens boot, she is an absolute beginner and isn’t very aggressive. From what I’ve found in your previous suggestions you would recommend around 146cm for her, does that sound right? There appears to be a good deal on a 2015/16 model Rossignol Gala boards in that size, do you think your review of the current model would be similar to that years model?
Hi Scott
Thanks for your message.
I think 146cm is probably a little long for your wife, as a beginner. I think 146cm would be a good size for her as a more advanced rider, but as a beginner it’s a good idea to take off a few centimeters. A shorter board is easier to control and easier to learn on. I think something between 141cm and 143cm would be a good size for her as a beginner and as someone who doesn’t want to ride aggressively.
As for the Gala – this is a board that hasn’t changed much at all over the years, so if you can find it in a past season’s model for a cheaper price, then that’s a good way to go. But I think that your wife would likely prefer something a little shorter – the 142cm Gala would be what I would recommend. I know you don’t necessarily have that size available in the cheaper price, but ideally that would be the size to go for.
Hope this helps
Thanks for an awesome page. I’m new to boarding and thinking of buying my first board as a beginner. I’m considering the K2 but wondering if the 138 cm would be the best option for me as I’m 5’5 (165cm) and just under 110lb, or should I go for the 142 cm board? I have found some boards a bit heavy which makes getting on and off chair lifts a bit of a mission. Any guidance is really appreciated. Thx M
Hi Maryam
As a beginner, I think the 138cm would be the better size for you. If you were a more advanced rider, then the 142 would work for you, but as a beginner, with your specs, then I wouldn’t go longer than 140cm. Something between 138cm and 140cm is a good bet for you, IMO. So the 138 fits that range.
Just to make sure the width of that board will be ok, can you let me know your boot size (or your shoe size if your not sure of your boot size yet).
Hope this helps
Thanks for the prompt response. Shoe size is 5.5 UK 38.5 European size.
Hi Maryam
Thanks for the extra info. You should have no problem with the width on the K2 First Lite 138cm.
Sweet! Thank you!
You’re very welcome – hope you have an awesome season!
Wow man thanks for your hard work.
Just bought the Rome Royal for my finance. I’m a little worried. I’ve been seeing some conflicting opinions about the board for beginners. Last year we picked a board up on the cheap and she had a really, REALLY hard time. I picked it up pretty good. So its important to me she has fun. And her for that matter. I was going after the Capita Space metal fantasy and then they sold out on “evo” I was thinking I made a mistake until I stumbled on to your reviews about the royal. I mean, I’ve even seen people thinking the board is for advanced riders and is stiff and heavy for beginers, which was exactly the issue for her last year. By the way I bought last years model. Which I hope doesn’t very too much in specs. It was less expensive and looks cooler imo anyway.
So what should I do? Candle the order. Or trust you? No pressure! Lol
Hi Danny
I would say that she would be fine with the Royal so long as she gets something that’s the right size. The Royal is a wider board – so it’s good for longer feet. If your fiance’s feet aren’t right for it, then it will feel heavier and harder to turn (because her feet won’t be close enough to the edges to provide easy leverage).
Also, if she was to get a size that was too long it would be much harder to ride.
If you want to let me know her height, weight and boot size, then I can recommend a good size range for her (both width and length) and you can see if the Royal you bought is a suitable size – and if not, then I would return it, but if it’s a good size, then it should be fine.
But if you’re still really worried and want to go with something that’s really soft, you could look at something like the Burton Genie, Ride Rapture or K2 First Lite.
To add to my earlier message (in case I forgot :s), I’m a US6 in terms of boot size. Just wondering if that’d work with the Rossignol Gala Amptek? Thanks again!
Thanks Sienna – just saw your second message now.
You would be fine with the width of the Gala with US6s, but my concern is the length (as mentioned in my other reply).
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly! Wow, I had no idea I was so far off on the board size. Yup, I’m looking for something all-mountain and would love some recommendations if you had any 🙂
Hi Sienna
I think the K2 First Lite would be a great option for you in the 138cm. I think that would be a good length and width and is all-mountain and also easy to learn on.
K2 Bright Lite 138cm is another option.
Or Burton Deja Vu Flying V 138cm – a bit more pricey but also a good option.
Flow Venus 139cm is another good option, IMO.
Hope this gives you some options.
Nate you’ve been absolutely awesome, thanks so much! Unfortunately I’m working under a bit of a budget, so I’m looking at the older model (2016) of the K2 Bright Lite. The specs look quite different from the 2018 model, but I was wondering if the 2016 model would still work for me?
Besides the 2016 K2 Bright Lite, the Rossignol Tesla Amptek (2017) is also available in a 136cam. It is, however, a bit more expensive, so I’m leaning a lot more towards the 2016 Bright Lite unless you think the Tesla is a vastly superior board? Thanks again!!!
Hi Sienna
The 2016 Bright Lite is a great option. Some changes for the 2018 model, but nothing that changes the board significantly, IMO. It’s still a good board for beginners in terms of flex (medium-soft), and profile (flat to rocker) and the sidecut is the same, the width is the same, the effective edge is the same and it’s still an all-mountain board. Nothing significant is different – so if you can find the 2016 model in the 138cm for cheaper, I’d say go for it.
JUST ORDERED! Thanks so much for your help, not only with the reviews, but taking the time to answer each and every person’s questions. You’re the best! Can’t wait to hit the slopes with my new board 😀
You’re very welcome Sienna. Hope you have a great season and enjoy your new board out there!
Hey Nate,
First off, great article! Some really great info and tips on here. I’m interested in getting the 2017 Rossignol Gala Amptek, but stuck on the sizing. I’m about 5″, and about 114lb and have been snowboarding about 4 times now (mastered the falling leaf, but working on everything else :p)
Thanks in advance!
Hi Sienna
For your specs, I would say something around 136 to 138 as a beginner. You could go a longer when you’re more advanced (140-142) but for now I wouldn’t go any longer than 139cm if you can help it.
So for the Gala I would say that there isn’t really an appropriate size for you currently. Not every board has an option in this range but there are certainly some in there. If you’d like some other recommendations, I’d be happy to help. Are you looking for something all-mountain in particular? Also if you could let me know your boot size (or your shoe size if you’re not sure of your boot size), then I can also check to make sure that the width of the board is appropriate.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the great information! I decided to go with the 2017 Rome Royal based on your reviews. I’m a beginner at 5’4” and 150lbs. I’m debating between 147 and 150.. your thoughts?
Hi Nicole
Thanks for the message.
Assuming you are a beginner, I would say go with the 147cm. But can you also let me know your snowboard boot size – or your shoe size if you’re not sure of your boot size (usually pretty similar anyway) so I can double check that it will be appropriate width-wise.
Hey Nate,
I’m a beginner, female, snowboarder and I’m thinking about purchasing the Yes. Emoticon Snowboard in the 152 cm size. I’m 5’6″ and roughly 190 lbs with a size 9 foot. I was thinking because my weight is more than recommended for that length, because of the higher flex level it would even out a bit for a beginner. Is this a good choice for me, do you think? Or do you have any better suggestions?
Thanks
Hi Maya
I think the 152 Emoticon would be a good length for you. And the 252mm waist should be a good fit for your boots. It’s on the wider side, but that extra width also adds surface area for a bit more stability, which is nice if you’re going shorter than you otherwise might. But I think 152 is a pretty good length for you as a beginner anyway. So yeah, I think this would be a good choice.
Hi Nate!
Love all the information in your article!! I really appreciate you answering questions as I’ve been terribly stuck on what size board to get. I’ve been snowboarding a hand full of times, so still a beginner, but since I enjoy it very much and feel like I’ve been getting the hang of it quicker than expected, I figured it’s time to get a board for this season. My biggest problem though is that I’m pretty much child-sized. I’m 4’10 at 100ish lbs, size 5 boot. I can’t remember the sizes I’ve been given when I’ve rented equipment and I’m not quite sure how what is technically too small or too long for me. Would you recommend sticking to kid’s board or can I manage to be the adult that I am and get a woman’s board? (Haha)
On a side note: I’m also buying my boyfriend a snowboard for Christmas as we’ve picked this hobby up together. He’s 5’10 at 165ish lbs and more on the intermediate side of riding (of course he can pick up any sport and be a fantastic at it after a few tries). Any suggestions?
Sorry for the double questions and thank you in advance! 🙂
Hi Amy
Thanks for the message.
I’d say something like a 135, 136 could work for you – which would give you some women’s options (though there aren’t too many at that size). I probably wouldn’t go longer than that as a beginner – but when you become more advanced you could upgrade to something like a 138cm, which would give you more options.
So I’d say the only real option from this list would be the Rossignol Tesla in the 136 (which would be a good option, IMO).
There are advantages to going with a women’s board over a kids board – as they do tend to put more tech into adults boards (apparently anyway – I don’t have experience with kids boards but that’s what I’ve heard and that’s what the specs suggest). But, if you wanted more options in that 134cm to 136cm range, then a kids board is definitely still an option – and it could be the case that you go with that now and then upgarde to a slightly longer women’s board when you are more advanced. Kid’s boards do tend to be cheaper too, which is a bonus.
For your boyfriend, I’d say something around 156, 157 would be a good range to look at. In terms of width, can you let me know his boot size, then I can advise a good waist width range. Not knowing what style of riding he likes I couldn’t recommend a specific board, but if he likes to do a bit of everything or if he plans to get into a bit of everything, then something from one of the lists below would be a good option. These types of boards are quite versatile (which is usually a good way to go for an intermediate rider). I’d say, if you ride in powder quite a bit, then go all-mountain, if not, then all-mountain-freestyle is probably the better bet.
>>My Top 10 All Mountain Snowboards
>>My Top All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I have read and reread so many articles that now I just can’t decide! I am a beginner who has only snowboarded a few times throughout my life in Arizona and I just moved to Utah! (lots of powder I’m told?) I don’t think I would ever venture into the park or do tricks. I just want to be able to keep up with my more experience friends. The last time I was on a snowboard was at least 6 years ago so I’m starting from the beginning! I’m 5’6, 140-145 lbs, women’s size 8 boot. I can get any of the boards mentioned on your list so does that mean I should just get the Rome Royal since it’s listed at #1? PLEASE HELP.
Hi Sara
Thanks for your message. Doesn’t mean you should necessarily get the #1 board here. Usually there’s something suitable. I like to score everything because I’m a numbers guy but if there’s a board that’s better suited to your needs, or something that fits your specs better, then the #1 isn’t necessarily the way to go.
Starting with length, I think that something in the 146 to 148cm range is a good way to go for you based on specs and ability.
For width, with size 8s, I’d say something between 236mm and 242mm is a good range to look at. If you know that you’ll have something like +15/-15, +12/-12 binding angles (which are pretty common these days), then you might be able to get a little narrower.
Finally, since you’re likely to encounter a fair bit of powder and aren’t likely to be hitting the park, at least not anytime soon, then I think something that’s all-mountain is a good way to go as it will have a bit of a setback which will help with float in powder.
With all that in mind, I think the following would be great options for you.
~ Rossignol Gala 146cm (234mm waist) – a little on the narrower side but assuming you would be riding with those angles I talked about should be fine
~ K2 First Lite 146cm (236mm waist)
~ Rome Royal 147cm (246mm waist) – this one is getting a bit on the wide side though – this would give you plenty of float in powder and be nice and stable but would be harder to maneuver and take more effort initiate turns
Another option would be:
~ K2 Bright Lite 146 (241mm waist)
Or if you were wanting to go a little more quality but also a slightly steeper learning curve (and a little more costly) – but something that could stay with you without feeling the need to upgrade, then something like these, would work well:
~ Jones Twin Sister 146cm (242mm waist)
~ Never Summer Infinity 147cm (234mm waist)
Hope this helps with your decision.
Thanks for the quick reply! I ordered the Rome Royal 147 and it should be here any day. NOW I need boots and bindings. Based on your articles, was considering the Burton Citizen Bindings (not sure if I should go M or L) and Burton Mint Boots size 8.
Thoughts?
Hi Sara
That boot/binding combination is a good combo for starting out. With Burton 8s you could go with either M or L bindings. I would be leaning towards the Ms.
I have men’s size 10 boots, which is right on the cuff of M and L for men’s bindings, and I prefer to go with Medium but I can ride in the Large. So you can do either or, but just based on my experience, I would be leaning towards M. The only thing that might swing a little towards Large, is that the Royal is a slightly wider board and the Large might fit better across the width (good to have the binding going close to the edges for better leverage) – but you can extend the gas pedal (toe end of the binding) out on the Ms which will help with that. I tend to have the gas pedal extended almost all the way out when I ride my Burton’s.
Hope this helps
What would you say about the Rossignol Frebemy (2015/2016)?
Hi Samantha
The Frenemy hasn’t changed very much at all over the years. The 2015/16 Frenemy is a very similar board to the 2017/18 one.
In general, I’d say that the Frenemy is a great board for icy conditions, if you experience those a lot. It’s also an easy turning board that works well for a beginner that has been riding a little bit but are still new – maybe not for the very very beginner rider unless you’re quite athletic/strong. It’s just a little on the stiff side for a complete beginner.
But if you’ve got some days under your belt or you’ve just started but feel like you’re picking it up quickly, then this is a great first board and one that can last you as long as you want it to.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Great information you have on this website! I’ve been riding a few seasons now using a GNU B-Nice 142 cm board. I’m able to link turns a bit but would like something to help make riding few smoother. I’m 5’4″ and 130 lbs with size 7 boots. Do you have any suggestions on which of the boards on your top list might be a good option?
Hi Jen
Thanks for your message.
The B Nice is beginner friendly and 142cm is a good size for you as a beginner so I think a good idea would be to go a little longer and also go with something that’s a bit more stable. The B Nice is quite a loose board – which can be a good way to start for ease of linking turns – but I think you might like the change to a board that feels a bit more stable underfoot.
I don’t think you should go too long – but adding a couple of cms would be a good idea, I think.
With all that in mind, I think the following would be good options:
~ YES Emoticon 143
~ Rossignol Frenemy 144 – but note that this is going a bit stiffer as well
~ Rossignol Myth 144 – but note that this a freestyle oriented board – which you want notice to begin with but if you don’t end up getting into freestyle, then you’d probably want to change boards after a while
These should all have a good width for you as well.
I think the YES Emoticon 143 would be my pick, there, if you were able to get your hands on that. If you find that nothing there works for you, let me know and I can dig a little deeper to find more options.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
Thanks so much for your advice, I think I will definitely look into the YES Emoticon a bit more! I also have a friend who is interested in buying her first board. She’s been riding rentals ~139cm (she’s about 5’2″, 180lbs) and attempting to start linking turns. Any thoughts on some good board options for her?
Thanks in advance!
Hi Jen. You’re very welcome.
For your friend, I would say something around 148 to 150 is good for her specs. But that might feel long for her, especially if she’s been riding 139s. The other option is to go a bit shorter but a bit stiffer. In the shorter size it will feel a bit softer than the flex rating is – and the shorter board might feel less daunting.
In this case I would say to look at:
~ Capita Paradise 145cm
~ Rossignol Frenemy 144cm
But since she is used to 139, then she could go on something under the 148 mark on a softer board too – but I would try to still stick to at least 144cm.
Hi Nate,
Great website, holds a ton of great information! Im 5’4, weigh about 135lbs and a size 9 in boots. I am a beginner rider (Literally only been out twice) and I was thinking of getting a board somewhere between 144-152 in length, does that sound about right? Also is there any other additional information you have for me? Like maybe certain brands or board widths?
Thanks!
Hi Julia
Thanks for your message.
I certainly wouldn’t go as long as 152. I think a good range for you would be more like 143 to 145.
In terms of width, I would say to look at something between 240mm and 248mm.
I wouldn’t say there are certain brands that do better beginner boards – most brands produce boards that are made for beginners but there are certain specs that can make a snowboard easier or harder to learn on. The main things being that you don’t want a board that’s too stiff as a beginner and you don’t want one with too much camber. For more details on good specs for a beginner board check out the following:
>>How To Choose The Best Snowboard For A Beginner
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I am 5’2″ and weigh between 125-130 lbs. My last snowboard was a 2011-2012 Rome Jett 146cm. It was good board for learning, however, over time I felt that it was too heavy, too long, and not as flexible as I would have liked. I’ve been riding now for about 6 years, but I’m still not very advanced. I’m looking for a board that’s lighter and more flexible and will allow me to learn/advance quicker. A versatile board would be best (good for icy/groomed runs, powder, and possibly some park as I get more ambitious). For personal reasons I’m not interested in Burton or Roxy boards. What boards do you suggest and what lengths? Thanks!
Hi Cassidy
Thanks for your message.
I think based on what you’re describing, that the Rossignol Frenemy could be a good bet. Although if you wanted something a bit softer then the YES Emoticon could be a better choice. Some other options would be the Never Summer Infinity or GNU Gloss.
In terms of size I think 143 to 144cm would be a good size for you. I would put you at a length of roughly 145cm, as an advanced level rider, so taking it down a couple of centimeters would help for a faster progression. Could go even shorter if you were a beginner, but it sounds like you’re at an intermediate level, so I think that would be a good range.
So for the boards mentioned the sizes would be:
~ YES Emoticon: 143cm
~ Never Summer Infinity: 142cm
~ GNU Gloss: 144cm
And just to make sure that those boards have an appropriate width, can you let me know your boot size too.
Hope this helps
Nate, great evaluation. Is there any change between the 2017 and 2018 Rome Royal board? I am considering it for my 14 yo daughter (beginner / intermediate) 5’1″, 105 lbs.
Thanks!
Dan
Hi Dan
No changes 2017 to 2018 model as far as I can tell. If there was anything it would be very minor.
My only concern there is that the smallest sized Royal is 141cm, which I think would be a bit long for your daughter at this stage. I’d say Ideally something around 135cm would be best, but I understand that you probably also want at least a little bit of growing room. But I wouldn’t give too much growing room, as it could make the board too difficult/not fun to ride. So maybe going up to 137 or 138 could work but I wouldn’t go as long as 141cm at this stage.
Also, in terms of width, the Royal is a little wider than other women’s boards – if your daughters feet are too far inside the edges, then it can make it harder to initiate turns. If you could let me know her boot size, I would be able to better assess width suitability.
If you’d like I could make some recommendations for something that would be a good fit, if you could let me know her boot size, then I would be happy to do that.
Hope this helps
beginner taking lessons this year was wondering your thoughts on some products i was recommended
boots – ride harper, or hera if can find a good price which i did!
bindings – ride vxn
board – flying v or anything in the gnu btx-ec2 range
found a good price on a Rossignol Frenemy and considering it since its high on your list, just wasn’t sure if its good for a complete newbie
Hi Renee
Thanks for your message.
I would say that the Harper would be fine as beginner boots. The Hera are more medium flex and I would say that they’re more suitable for a high level beginner to intermediate and up, rather than a complete beginner.
The VXN should be fine for a beginner too.
In terms of Burton Flying V boards – yes this is an easy going camber profile that is suited to beginners – but flex is also important. So the Deja Vu Flying V is going to be more suitable to a complete beginner as its softer flexing – the Feelgood Flying V is, like the Ride Hera probably more intermediate or high-end beginner and up.
Again with the GNU boards the BTX (now called original banana) and the EC2 (now C2E) are easy going camber profiles that should be easy to ride, but again, flex should be considered. The B-Nice & Chromatic should be soft enough but the Velvet Gnuru would be more like the Feelgood Flying V in that it’s not as suitable for a complete beginner.
The Frenemy is another that I would put with the Velvet Gnuru and Feelgood Flying V – it’s doable for a complete beginner but it’s just that little bit stiffer which makes it a little less suitable than softer flexing options.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate~
Its good to read your article!!! really helpful~
I still have some problems~
I am 5’2″ 132 lb, with an US 8-8.5 boot~
I think maybe my broader experience is intermediate ~ha.
I have already make s-turn on reds last season but still want to do it more comfortably.
i often ride on groomed snow and sometimes on powder snow. I love powder snow actually.
By the way, i tried to do carving.
i rent a snowboard with 137-140 cm usually, and now i consider to buy a new board.
How do you think which list below~
ROME LO-FI ROCKER
Rossignol Myth
K2 First Lite
Please give me some suggestions or just et me which one you think is the best for me
Really thanks for your patient!!!
Have a nice day~~~
Hi Vivian
I think that the K2 First Lite is probably the best option for you out of those options. Just because it’s going to be better in powder than the other 2 options there.
In terms of length, I would say that something around the 143cm to 144cm mark would be a good size for you. In terms of width, you should probably look at something between 239mm to 245mm, assuming a US8.
For the K2 First Lite, the closest match would be the 142cm – but I think this is getting a little bit narrow for your boot size.
But since you are an intermediate rider, you could also take a look at the following list. These boards are all suitable for powder and carving and come in mostly around the medium flex level – which should be fine for you as an intermediate rider. That would give you more options.
But if you wanted to go with something off this list, then the Rome Royal 144cm would be a great option. The Rossignol Frenemy 144cm would also be a good choice.
Hope this helps
Thanks your reply~
I’m only 158cm, is 143-144cm too long for me?
But i also found if i choose shorter board, the width is too narrow~
Anyway~~~your article is really useful to me!!!
Thank you so much
Hi Vivian
Snowboard sizing is a combination of weight, height, ability and riding preferences – it’s not just about height (as it used to be).
But if you’re used to riding shorter and don’t think you’d be comfortable on something around 143 to 144, then you could look at the following:
~ Burton Genie 142 (or 138) – the width on both of these should be fine. But note that this is more of a freestyle board
~ Rome Royal 141
Hope this helps
Thx your reply~
its really useful for me!!!!
Thanks so much~~~~
You’re very welcome Vivian. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hello Nate~
This article is really useful~but i still have some problems~
I am 5’7″ 125lb, with an 8-8.5 boot~
My experience as a boarder would be beginner – intermediate (im not sure~haha). I can go on blues lines and make s-turns already. I started going on the reds and try to make s-turn last season.
I always go to Japan and this year i make the decision that i want to buy my first snowboard!!!!
I remembered that i rent a snowboard with 148 cm usually, but i found the size chart usually show that 149-151 cm is suit for me. I also found 151 cm is suit for people who weight more than 130lb.
I read lots of article about the snowboard, but i still not sure that what kind of board is my board!
Now I consider some snowboards:
Buton：DEJA VU
Buton：custom
Buton：flying V
ROME：LO-FI ROCKER
Capita Paradise
Please give me some suggestions or just tell me which one you think is the best for me XD
Thank you so much~
Lynn
Hi Lynn
I think 148cm is actually about right for you. But since you are at an intermediate level, you could even go 146, 147. I wouldn’t go as long as 151cm for you. I think that would be a bit long, unless you were just planning on riding a lot of powder.
I think looking at around 147 is a good bet – and looking at something between medium-soft and medium. Though if you’re more athletic, then you could go for something that’s a little longer, but probably still around 148 or 149 and look more around medium flex.
And for a size 8 to 8.5 boot (and I’m assuming that you mean Women’s US 8, but correct me if I’m wrong). Then I would be looking at a waist width between 140mm and 248mm.
With all this in mind, I think the following would be good options for you:
~ Capita Paradise: The 149 (239mm waist width) would be a good option. I think, if you consider yourself quite fit/strong. The 147 would be a better bet otherwise (but it is probably getting a bit narrow with its 237mm waist)
~ Rossignol Frenemy: 147 (240mm waist). Or you could even go as long as 150 (241mm waist), if you felt you wanted something longer.
~ YES Emoticon 149 (241mm waist)
For the Custom Flying V and Process Flying V, I think the Process Flying V would probably be the better bet (just that the Custom Flying V is getting a bit stiffer and with the shortest length being a 150cm with a 248mm waist width, I think it’s getting a bit big, especially considering its stiffer. And for the Process Flying V, the shortest length is 152cm, which I think is too long. So, I think you can cross those off the list.
~ Burton Deja Vu: This is similar to the Process Flying V but comes in sizes that would be more suitable for you. For this, the 149cm (242mm waist) or even 146cm (240mm waist) if you wanted to go shorter.
~ Rome Lo-Fi rocker: This is also an option. Again, I would be weighing up the 146 (245mm waist) and the 149 (247mm waist).
Hope this helps with your options. If you want it narrowed down further, if you can let me know how you like to ride (freestyle/park, powder, fast, playful, sticking to the groomed trails etc), we can try to narrow down your options further.
Hope this helps
WOWOWOW!!! Thanks for your reply~~
At Japan, i usually ride on groomed snow and sometimes on powder snow.
So i choose the ALL mountain snowboard (actually i’m not sure is it a good choice ~ha)
Could you also recommend the binding and boots?
Is it better to choose the same brand with snowboard?
And about the snowboots, i choose this “BURTON RITUAL LTD “, but im not sure that is it suit for me.
Thank you so much~its really useful for me~~~
Hi Lynn
There is no reason why you have to choose the same brand for board, boots and bindings. The main thing to watch out for is Burton bindings. They come in 2 different versions 1. a version called “EST” and 2. A version called “Re:Flex”. The EST versions of Burton bindings will only work on Burton boards – but the Re:Flex versions will work on any brand’s board.
Most other brands have ways to make their bindings compatible with Burton boards, if you did end up going with a Burton board but a different brand’s bindings.
For more on that you can check out the following:
>>Binding and Snowboard Compatability
The Burton Ritual LTD should be ok for you. It’s a mid flexing boot. As an intermediate mid-flex will be fine. You wouldn’t want to go stiffer than that, but medium is a good way to go.
For more boot options and also binding options check out the links below:
>>My Top Women’s Beginner Boots
>>My Top Women’s Freestyle Snowboard Boots
>>My Top Women’s All-Mountain Snowboard Boots
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
>>Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
If you’d like me to narrow down your options a bit or if you think you’ve found something you like and want my opinion, let me know.
hello Nate
Thanks your reply~~~
I think i’ll buy the capita paradise~
now im thinking about the binding~
Salom Mirage
union juliet
union trilogy
But i choose ALL-Mountain Bindings, should i choose Beginner Bindings??
Lynn
Hi Lynn
I think all-mountain bindings will be fine for you and will pair well with the Paradise. Just as long as the flex isn’t too much. I wouldn’t go stiffer than a 5/10 for your level. But something around that 5/10 mark would be fine. The bindings you mentioned should be fine.
Hey Nate!
Very helpful post! I think I have it narrowed down to either the rossignol Tessa or the Rome royal. I am a complete beginner this season but ideally I want to get at least a couple of seasons out of whatever by board I get. I am 5’6″ 120lb, with an 8.5-9 boot and a 25″ waist. I would be riding all mountain/powder mostly. I’m intriqued by the great reviews and growth option of the Tesla, but I like the versatility of the royal. Just wondering which I should choose and what size. I know that generally beginners should go with a shorter board but I don’t want to grow out of it too fast and/or have a hard time in powder (I live in Colorado and my friends are all fresh powder lovers).
Any input would be great, thanks!
Jen
Hi Jen
Normally I would say 141cm to 143cm but since it sounds like you’ll be riding in a lot of powder, then I think we can go to the high end of that or a little longer – but we don’t want to go so long that it’s too difficult to maneuver the board.
Also, since you like to ride powder, then I think the Rome Royal would be the better option – just that you’ll get better float in deep snow with that compared with the Tesla – and because of that naturally better float, you won’t have to go as long as well. Also, for the Tesla if you wanted to go longer than 143cm, you’d have to go to 148cm – which I think is then getting too long. And to top it all off, I think even on the 148cm Tesla, that it would be too narrow for your boots (Rossignol Boards tend to be narrower). I would say we’d want to look at at least a 242mm waist. And a narrower waist is going to have less surface area as well, which will reduce float.
So, based on all of that, I think that the 144cm (244mm waist width) Rome Royal is your best option.
Hope this helps
Hey!
First of all thank you for this article, it has been very helpful and informative! I’m a beginner with snowboarding, I’ve tried it a few times but I’m still in the process of learning the very basics of it. I’m not interested in the park stuff or learning any tricks right now, I just want a board that would help me learn the basics on-piste. So, which of these boards would you suggest to me as I am quite big: my boot size is around 40,5 (EU) I weight 75 kgs and I’m 173 cm tall so some of these women’s boards are out of question because of too small sizing. Budget however is not an issue, I am willing to invest to this hobby. 🙂
Thank you in advance!
Hi Anna
I think for you a good length would be between 151 and 153.
In terms of width, I would say anything between 242mm and 250mm at the waist. Euro sizes tend to translate differently depending on the brand of boot. But assuming that translates to a 25.5cm or 26.0cm mondoprint, then that will be a good range to look at.
There are a couple of options, but I think the best one is the Rossignol Frenemy in the 153cm. You’ll be very slightly above the weight recommendations but that’s ok because all that will mean is that the board will feel like a softer flex, which in this case is a good thing – as a beginner you will want it a bit softer than the medium flex it has. The Frenemy is a good all-round board too – and it’s something that will last you into a much more advanced level too.
I think that’s your best bet, but you could also go with:
~ YES Emoticon 152 (252mm waist): Getting on the wide side for your boots, but doable
~ Rome Royal 150 (248mm waist): A little shorter than the other options – but also doable. Won’t last as long, in terms of your progression as the Frenemy or Emoticon but will help you to progress quickly. A little cheaper as well
We could also look at men’s boards if you were open to that. Some of the shorter length men’s boards would likely be suitable too – but I think one of those options would work well. But if you did want to look into men’s boards, then here are some options:
>>My Top 15 Men’s Snowboards for Beginners
Hope this helps.
Hi,
thanks a lot for your answer! I looked into those boards and I suppose the Frenemy would be a pretty good suit for me. I was also thinking about the Burton Genie as it also has a longer option, but I guess I’ll go with the Frenemy as you didn’t recommend the Genie for me. Now I’m just wondering about what kind of bindings I should get as I’ve already got boots, they’re Atomic Cascade in size 40 1/3 (UK 6,5 MP 25,5), do you have any recommendations on that?
Hi Anna
The only reason that I didn’t suggest the Genie was that it’s something that’s more of a freestyle board. Which is fine as a beginner – but as yo advance you might want something more all-mountain oriented. But that doesn’t mean you can’t go Genie – and the 152 would certainly be a good size. Just that you might need to upgrade a bit sooner than you would with something like the Frenemy. But if that’s not a problem, then the Genie is definitely an option and would certainly aid in fast progression.
For bindings, I would take a look at the following to begin with. Those certainly aren’t the only options, so if you want more options just let me know. But those would all be suitable.
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
If you do go with a Burton board, just be sure to make sure you get something that’s compatible with Burton’s channel system. Most bindings are these days but not all. If you go Burton bindings with the Burton board, then they will be compatible of course – and most other brands should be, but make sure to double check before buying.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
thanks again. Based on this I’ve decided to go with the Frenemy and the Burton Citizen bindings but I’ve still got questions (heh, sorry). First, I found the Frenemy 2017 for a remarkably cheaper price than the 2018 version. Do you know if there’s a big difference between the boards, is going for the 2018 worth the money? My second question is about the size of the bindings. My boot size is in the between of the medium and large size options, so should I go for the bigger or the smaller option with my uk 6,5 boots?
Hi Anna
The 2017 model of the Frenemy is very similar to the 2018 model, so if you can find the 2017 model in your size, then go for it. Just as long as you don’t have to compromise on size to do it.
With UK6.5, I would go for large. If you are in Burton boots, then you might squeeze into the mediums. But for other boots I would say go for Large for sure, to be on the safe side.
Hey Nate,
First of all thanks for the article! Really helped a lot with narrowing down choices. I’m 5’2″, 118 lb. I’ve been snowboarding twice – still learning.
I’ve narrowed it down to between two Burton boards, both of them great deals – Genie 3D 14/15 (139+), and Genie 15/16 (141+). Wondering which one is the better fit for me. Could I get away with the 141+ (it’s a better deal!)
Thanks in advance.
Hi Cheryl
I think you would be fine on the 141 Genie. I would put you at a 143cm as a more advanced rider and since you want to take off 3-5cm as a beginner, then that would make it 138 to 140. So 141 is pretty close and I think close enough, especially given that you would get to take advantage of the Channel system on the 15/16 as opposed to the 3D mounting pattern on the 14/15 model.
Hope this helps
Thanks so much for the descriptions Nate! Was wondering what you think of the K2 Limelight? Are there any significant differences from the First light?
Hi Kate
Thanks for your message.
The Limelight is more freestyle oriented compared to the First Lite which is more of an all-mountain board. A couple of things that contribute to this:
1. The Lime Lite has a centered stance whereas the First Lite has a setback stance (you stand a little bit back from center on the board)
2. The Lime Lite has a true twin shape, whereas the First Lite has a directional shape (2017 and previous models was a directional twin shape)
What this means in human speak, is that Lime Lite will be better for things like riding switch, for jibbing (which is probably it’s strongest point) wheres the First Lite is better for powder, and a little better for carving turns – but in terms of C turns, S turns and that type of thing, the Lime Lite will be just as easy. It has a similar medium-soft flex (maybe marginally stiffer but barely).
So it would still be a good board to learn on for sure – it’s just that it will be more suitable for riding in the park once you are more advanced, whereas the First Lite would be better over the rest of the mountain. But one thing with going with something like the Lime Lite is that if you were to upgrade to a different all-mountain board later, you would always have a park board that you could go to, if that’s something you got into.
So overall, the First Lite is a better all round board, but the lime light is definitely suitable for a beginner.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I am needing some help with board size!
I’m a female around 5’3 (162 cm) and 154 lbs, I decided to get a new board for this coming season and purchased the Burton Feather 2017 (144cm).
Burton Feather 2017 at Burton
But when I looked at the sizing chart and my weight is not in the range for the 144 cm board. Should I get the 149cm instead? The board is really flexible and extremely light.
My experience as a boarder would be beginner – intermediate (I think?). I can go on greens comfortably and started going on the blues last season. I can make s-turns, but can’t carve yet (goal for this season 🙂
I’d like to start attempting to do some very, very beginner tricks.
My past two boards have been 145cm. My old board that I got second hand last year is a Lemar 145cm (it feels stiff- camber) , and I felt pretty comfortable on it last year. So I’m quite confused as to what I should do with the Burton Feather (rocker). 144 or 149?
Or… I do have the option of getting the Rossingnol Frenemy. Although it is heavier….
not sure which would be best for me to get.
Or… is it better to just stick with my old board and invest in a pair of new, lighter snowboarding boots?
Thank you so much for your help!!
Jeanne
Hi Jeanne
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, I think the 149cm would the better size for the Feather for you.
If you’re thinking of going Frenemy, then the 147cm would be the best size for you, IMO.
The Feather is very soft and is basically rocker (it’s flat in the middle and then rocker, but there’s a good bit of rocker going on there). I’m not that familiar with Lamar gear but if you’re coming from a stiffer, camber Lamar, the Feather is likely to feel very loose in comparison. The feather also, will likely be something you’ll grow out of quite quickly.
The advantages of going with the Frenemy:
1. Not a board that you’d really ever have to upgrade from if you didn’t want to
2. Since you’re used to a camber, stiffer board, the Frenemy is probably an easier transition but is still going to be more easy going than what you’re currently on
3. Going to the 147cm Frenemy will be less of a size difference from your current 145cm. All be it that the 149cm Feather will likely feel a similar length on snow a 145cm cambered board – but for things like spins and tricks if you’re starting to learn those, that extra length will make it a little more difficult.
4. The Frenemy is going to be better for carving, once you’re up to getting into carving.
So, I think the 147cm Frenemy, for you at this stage, is the better bet. But if you do stick with the Feather, then I would go 149cm, rather than 144cm.
Hope this helps
Nate,
Great article. I am looking for a snowboard for my soon to be 11 year old daughter. This will be her second season riding. she digs it and is learning fast. She is 5’2”and weights about 95lbs. I have it narrowed down to a 2017 Rome royal (141Cm). and a newer rossignol gala (142cm). Just looking for some imput/help on deciding which way to go, or quite possibly a completely different direction. Just want to put her on a board that she will enjoy,learn and grow with
Thanks for any info
Jimmy
Hi Jimmy
I think either of those boards would be good choices. However, I think they might be a little bit too long. I know you’re probably looking for something she can grow into, given that she’s probably growing a lot at the moment – but those lengths might be a bit long. I would say 138cm would be the max I’d want to go.
So in terms of this list, the 138cm K2 Standard would be a great option (and would still give her some room to grow into it, that’s still at the max end), assuming you’re looking for an all-mountain board. There are other options for more freestyle oriented boards. And of course, looking at youth boards, there would be more options in that 135cm to 138cm range.
But if you you’re set on going with something a bit longer, then the Royal and Gala would both be great options.
Hope this helps
Thanks for the info. I was strictly going with the weight recommendations for those boards and completely spaced the length. My main goal is to get her the right size board that rides good. We are looking for an all-mountain, so that k2 would be a great choice. Any recommendations for a youth board that would fit her build?
Thanks
Jimmy
Hi Jimmy
I admit I don’t have much knowledge when it comes to youth boards, so I won’t be much help there (I have a son but he’s not yet 2, so he’s not much help 🙂 ).
But from a quick bit of research, I think the following would probably be suitable.
~ Burton De ja vu Smalls – 138cm
~ Never Summer Starlet – 137cm
~ Burton Feelgood Smalls – 135cm
~ K2 Kandi – 137cm
What I have heard about youth/kids boards is that they don’t typically get the same tech that men’s and women’s boards get, so in that respect the K2 First Lite would be the better option. But youth boards do tend to be quite a bit cheaper, so there’s that to weigh up too.
My apologies, I said K2 Standard in my last message, when I meant K2 First Lite – the Standard is the men’s equivalent of the First Lite.
Excellent. Sorry for the repeat post
That k2 looks great. My only concern is riding it “backwards” it looks as if the front and the tail are different (according to the video). She seems to enjoy riding both ways. Is this a huge factor or am I obverthinking things. Thanks again,
Jimmy
Hi Jimmy
You can still ride it switch (backwards) but it’s not ideal for it, so if that’s something she enjoys doing, then probably not ideal.
I think something all-mountain-freestyle would probably suit her best – it’s kind of a cross between an all-mountain board and a freestyle board. Fortunately, most youth boards tend to be twin or directional twin and have a centered stance – two things that suit riding switch. You’re compromising a little when it comes to powder with an all-mountain-freestyle board, but otherwise, I think it would be a good way to go.
So, everything I suggested in my last post are centered and true twin, except for the K2 Kandi. So will be easy to ride backwards. Another option would be the YES Fun Inc. Technically considered a “boys” board but I’d say it’s all the same in youth boards. So, I think the following would be good options – but keep in mind that I know very little about youth boards.
~ Burton De ja vu Smalls – 138cm
~ Never Summer Starlet – 137cm
~ Burton Feelgood Smalls – 135cm
~ YES Fun Inc – 138cm
Also keep in mind that I just did some quick research here, so there are likely other youth options. And apart from the YES Fun Inc, I haven’t really looked at “boys” boards.
Anyway, hope this gives you some options to look at.
Thanks for all the info. I decided on the k2 first lite (138)
Now my only question is between the 2017 (directional twin) or 2018 (directional). Price aside any opinion
Thanks again
Jimmy
Hi Jimmy
Because you mentioned that your daughter likes to ride switch, then I think the 2017 version is the best bet.
Thanks for the info. Not sure if this reply went through the first time so I will,try again
I was strictly going with the weight recommendations for those boards and completely spaced the length.
I am ultimately looking for an all-mountain board and looks like that k2 is a great choice. Watching the video on it it though it looks as if the front and the tail are a bit different making it harder to ride “backwards” and she seems to enjoy riding both ways. Do you happen to have any recommendations for a youth board that would fit her build?
Thanks
Jimmy
Hey Nate – love the article but need some advice.
Looking for a snowboard for my 20 yr old daughter as a Christmas present. We primarily ski/board in Lake Tahoe. She has snowboarded for a few years so I would say she is an upper level beginner to intermediate rider. She can board intermediate runs without falling and can link turns pretty well. She can go fairly fast chasing her brothers on groomed runs. Right now she likes groomers and doing a little bit of park.
She did break her collar bone last year snowboarding by catching an edge so would like something that is easier to turn. Up until now she has only been riding rental gear. I think she would like a board that is stable and she can progress with. She is 5’9″, 140lbs and has a 8.5 shoe. She is fairly athletic as well.
What board would you recommend for her? Also, any recommendations for bindings and boots would be great also. Not trying to break the bank here (kids are expensive!) but want to get her some good gear.
Thanks in advance for any input.
Ken
Hi Ken
I think something like the Capita Paradise or the YES Emoticon would be great choices for her. However, if you wanted to go a little bit cheaper, then you could look at the Rome Royal, Rossignol Gala, K2 First Lite but I think those other 2 would be perfect. Of course, there are other options that are more expensive than the Emoticon and Paradise – but I think these 2 are actually probably be the best choices anyway.
In terms of size, I’m thinking something between 148 and 150 would be a good length. Possibly up to 151cm but I wouldn’t go any longer than that. In terms of width with 8.5s I’d say anything between 242mm and 248mm for the waist width would be ideal. Shoe size and snowboard boot size don’t always end up being the same (but sometimes do – usually they’re either 1/2 size down or the same). So if she ends up in an 8, then you could take that minimum down 2 or 3mm if she ends up in a 9, then add 2 to 3mm to that minimum.
So for that boards that I mentioned, the 149cm Capita Paradise – though it would be on the narrow side for 8.5s or 9s but fine for 8s. Should also get away with it on 8.5s.
It would also be the 149cm for the Emoticon.
Another option, in the same price range, is the Rossignol Frenemy – for that I’d go with the 150cm.
For bindings and boots, I’d check out the lists at the links below. If you have any questions after checking those out, feel free to ask.
Bindings
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
>>Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Also for choosing sizes for bindings, check out:
>>Snowboard Binding Sizing
Boots
>>My Top Women’s Beginner Boots
>>My Top Women’s Freestyle Snowboard Boots
And for more on choosing boots check out:
>>How to Choose Snowboard Boots
Hope this helps
Hi Nate, love your article! I’m searching for a snowboard and having a difficult time finding one wide enough for me that isn’t too fast. I’m 5’9″, 180 lbs and size 11 shoe. I was at an advanced level, but have only been a couple times in the last 15 years. I think I could pick back up pretty quick, but don’t have the desire for massive speed, in the beginning, at least, maybe pick blacks back up eventually.
I like to stick to the runs and venture off to powder, but don’t do tricks or want to go way off the beaten trail. I’d like a nice, stable, not too fast ride, like to do sharp turns around moguls and would like a women’s board, but am seeing that they don’t really make them wide enough, or are harder to find.
I was looking at the Venture Oracle because they are made in the USA, Silverton, CO, or the LIB Tech Banana Magic or LIB Tech Attack Banana, also made in USA.
Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks!
Courtney
Hi Courtney
Thanks for your message and sorry for the slow response – have been in the process of moving apartments all weekend!
I’m not that familiar with Venture snowboard but just looking at the Oracle my biggest concern would be the width. I don’t think this would be wide enough for 11s. I think you should be looking at something with a waist width of 248mm as a minimum and no wider than 255mm.
So I think the Banana Magic and the Attack Banana are definitely options. I would go with the 154cm Banana Magic and the 153cm Attack Banana, for you.
Another option is the YES Emoticon which has a 252mm waist width on the 152cm. The only thing would be if the 152 length was getting a bit short for you. I think a good length range would be 153 to 156. So you could probably get away with the 152 Emoticon but that shorter length would mean less performance in the powder. Though it would make for quicker turns and be better in the moguls and through trees, so that’s another thing to weight up – so 152cm is definitely not out, but you would be sacrificing something and gaining something else – so it would depend on what you valued more. I think around that 154cm mark, is a nice balance for you.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate
Great article!
I’m just a beginner with first trip planned in dec 2017 to solden / austria.
Got some basics already but still need to practice a lot 🙂
During uni studies 10yrs ago I won a salomon board (2006 transfer 145cm). Took some lessons back then and could keep it under control but I was wondering whether I should better take a beginner board (from your list) to get the basics right. Also wondering whether this board is a bit too short for my length (169cm) and weigth (63kg).
Bindings on my board were Ride LXH Series and boots thirtytwo exus w’s.
I was hoping to recuperate the boots and bindings but to buy a second board…
Thanks for your advice 🙂
Regards
Natalia
Hi Natalia
Thanks for your message.
Pretty much everything back then (2006) was traditional camber (think some profiles with a bit of rocker in them started coming out in 2005 but most were still all-camber at that stage) – including the Salomon Transfer, I assume.
Traditional camber is a camber profile that makes it easier to catch an edge on – so it’s definitely not ideal as a beginner board – back then it was the only option, so you had to learn on it! But there are easier boards to learn on now. So yeah, I would definitely go for a new, beginner friendly board, if I was you.
In terms of size, I think that 145cm isn’t too far off. I would say around 150cm is a good size for you as an advanced rider and for your first board, I would go for something between 145cm and 147cm. Most boards on this list have an option in that range, so you should have a good number of options.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thank you for your posts on beginner snowboards/bindings. It has been overwhelming trying to research for a snowboard, and you have helped me better understand my needs, as well as narrow down my choices.
I’ve read every single one of your comments in the threads, hoping to find an answer to my dilemma. I hope you’re able to help me out with the decision for a 146cm or 142cm Rossignol Gala. >.<
My specs are 160cm (5'3), ~52kg (116lbs), 7.5 US women boot size.
I think that I am at the level most similar to (if not, the same) as the latest commenter, Judith.
I have been on the slopes for 3 seasons in total (in the past 10 years), each time for 2 weekends on average. I have bought a season pass this year and definitely hoping to go for at least 3 weekends (with classes)!
I am comfortable with C-turns (both toeside and heelside), and in my latest trip (Feb 2017), I managed to link my turns on easier runs. I was also more comfortable on my toeside than before. I have gone on intermediate slopes as well, albeit spinning involuntarily on the steeper slopes when attempting the S turns. This season, I hope to be confident with the S turns on narrow runs.
According to the Rossignol snowboard size chart on their website –
Rossignol Size Chart – I should get a 146cm. However, that would be in between my nose and eye level (using a measuring tape). Would that be too tall?
The other size at 142cm, will reach my lip level. But I'm concerned about the narrower waist width (232) as it is indicated that the max boot size for 142cm should be size 7.
Please advise me on which is more suitable for me. Thank you so much!
Hi Michi
Thanks for your message and first of all, I commend you on doing your research – too many people jump at the first board they see at a decent price and end up with something totally wrong for them and it really hurts their progress and enjoyment – so you’re definitely on the right track.
I would say that 146cm is definitely too long for you at this stage. I would look at something around 140cm to 142cm, ideally, but you can probably get away with 143cm but I wouldn’t put you on a 146cm at this stage with your specs.
In terms of the waist of the Gala, the 232mm waist is pushing it being too narrow for size 7.5 – though I have seen it recommended for sizes 4-8 in one store. But it’s hard to say. I would usually say a little too narrow.
If you didn’t want to take the risk on the width of the 142 Gala, i would suggest the following:
~ YES Emoticon 143 (237mm waist)
~ Rossignol Tesla 143cm (236mm waist)
~ K2 First Lite 142cm (234mm waist)
Hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions or would like any other suggestions.
Thank you so much for the advice! I’ve bought the Rossignol Tesla 143cm and I’m just waiting for winter to come 🙂
You’re very welcome Michi – hope you enjoy your board and have an awesome season when winter does arrive!
Hi Nate,
your webiste is totally awesome, I had no idea what to look for as a beginner before stumbling over your website!
After renting the last two seasons (and that’s all the snowboarding I’ve done so far), I am looking to buy my own gear. I’ve no idea what those rentals were and am now struggling what board, and also what size might be my best option.
I can mostly link my turns on the easier runs, and can also get down the more intermediate runs (but then still mostly slideing on one edge with only sporadical turns).
I am aiming at getting confident in linking my turns, especially on steeper runs and when it gets faster. Knowing myself, I probably won’t care much for tricks at the park, but having fun at just getting down smoothely, eventually also off the prepared runs.
I’d say, I am not a total beginner anymore and would like to get a board that stays with me for some time, since I am realistically speaking, probably only go snowboarding for 1-2 weeks per year.
My specs are: 170cm, around 55kgs, boot size EU39.
I had a look at your list and especially the Rossi Gala, K2 First Lite, and the Rossi Myth. Mostly, because I found great deals for them online.
Can you help me out? What yould you recommend out of my choices? Or would you go for something different based on what I wrote above? Which size should I choose for the board?
Looking forward to your advise!
Judith
Hi Judith
I think the Rossi Gala and K2 First Lite would be great options for you. The Myth would also be a good choice – but just because you say that you probably won’t be interested in tricks/park, then the Gala and First Lite make better options.
In terms of size I would say anything between 143 and 145 would be a good size for you. For the boards that you mentioned that would be:
Gala: 146cm (234mm waist)
First Lite: 146cm (236mm waist)
Myth: 144cm (236mm waist)
I know the sizes of the Gala and First Lite above are just over the range I receommended – but I think this is better than going down to the 142cm. If you were a complete beginner, then maybe the 142cm but since you have a couple of seasons under your belt, the 146cm is the better option – and also because if you go with the 146cm, you won’t have to upgrade the size, which you would probably want to do with a 142, once you were more advanced.
The other reason, is for width. The 232mm waist on the 142 Gala is probably a little bit narrow for you.
For these boards, you’ll likely want to upgrade at some stage as you become a better rider – but if you are only doing 1-2 weeks per season, then that wouldn’t be for a good few seasons, I would say.
But if you’re really concerned with getting something that will last you even longer then you could look at the Paradise (145cm), Frenemy (144cm) or Emoticon (143cm). But you would be looking at paying more for those – and since you’ve found good deals on the others and that they will be fine for a good few seasons, especially at 1-2 weeks per year, then I think either the Gala or First Lite are your best options.
Hope this helps with your decision.
Thanks, Nate!
I decided to go with the Rossi Gala (the price including bindings was just unbeatable) and am totally exited and hardly can wait for the snow to come 😉
Nice choice Judith! Hope you enjoy the new gear once the snow arrives!
Hi, Nate.
Great article! I’ve only been snowboarding once, using handme downs from friends, and am looking to invest in a beginner set up for the coming season that can last for a couple seasons as I gain my footing. I am 5’8″ and 125 lbs. I like your suggestions of the Rossignol Myth and Rome Royal. What size would you recommend? 149cm or something shorter? Also, is there a specific binding you would recommend pairing with these boards? I’ve seen your list of top 5 women’s beginner bindings, and am thinking about the Burton Stiletto, but am curious what you think. If it makes a difference, I will be using the equipment in Vermont.
Thanks!
Hi Jenn
Thanks for your message.
In terms of length, I think 149cm would be a little bit too long for you at this stage. Something more around the 144 to 146cm range would be better, IMO.
So for both the Royal and the Myth I would go for the 144cm. You’d getaway with the 147cm Royal too – but I think the 144cm would be the better choice for you.
If you can let me know your boot size (or your shoe size if you’re not yet sure of your boot size) – just so I can see if the width would be ok for you too.
In terms of bindings – anything from that list will be fine for you. The only thing to watch out for with the Burton is that they come in 2 types, EST and Re:Flex. Burton EST bindings only work on Burton boards, whereas Burton’s Re:Flex bindings work on any snowboard. But, I’m pretty sure that the Stilettos only come in Re:Flex so no problems there. But yeah, with Burton bindings just make sure you go with the “Re:Flex” model unless you are also getting a Burton board.
Since you’re on the East Coast, then getting a board that’s good in hard/icy conditions can be a good idea. The Myth and the Royal are ok in harder conditions but if you’re really worried about it, then going with something like the YES Emoticon or the Rossignol Frenemy is one way to go – they are the best in hard/icy conditions on this list.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I’m a beginner snowboarder in Southwest. I’m debating between Burton Feather, Burton Genie, Solomon Lotus, and K2 Bright Lite. In your opinion, what is the best board for me? Thanks.
Hi Sarah
I think any of those options would work well for the Southwest. I would say Genie for fastest progression. Bright Lite for being the most versatile.
So, if you want a board that you can keep for a good while, I think the Bright Lite is the best option, followed by the Lotus. But if you want to progress as fast as possible and would be happy to upgrade a couple of season’s down the line, then the Genie would be your best option.
The Feather would still do the job but would be my last choice there.
So I’d say in this order or preference.
1. Genie/Bright Lite, depending on your preferences.
2. Lotus
3. Feather
Hope this helps with your decision. Let me know if you want any recommendations for sizes.
Thanks for your reply and explanation, Chris. Really appreciate it!
I may have to return the Feather that I bought two weeks ago.
What’s a good binding for the Bright Lite then? Should I consult your top 5 bindings guide?
Are the 32 swt boa boots a good choice?
Thanks!
You’re welcome Sarah.
Yeah, anything from the following list, would be a good choice for bindings for you and for the Bright Lite.
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
And the 32 STW Boa are a great choice for beginner boots too. They are on my beginner boots list as well.
>>My Top Women’s Beginner Boots
Hi Nate, I’m so glad I’ve come across your website. It’s been really informative and inspired me in the beginning of my snowboard obsession.
You seem to offer some great personalised advice, so apologies in advance for this long detailed post.
My experience/current skill level:
– 13 days over 2 seasons (6 in NZ Aug 2016, 7 in Japan Mar 2017)
– I can link turns fairly consistently on most green runs, manage adequately on easy red runs, and do poorly on steeper red runs (ie. can’t link turns without falling every time, and mostly use ‘chicken moves’ or garlands to get myself down)
My stats:
– Weight: 60-65kg
– Height: 165cm
– Boot size: US7/24cm
Future plans/goals or ride conditions:
– 10-15 days per year is probably manageable if I can hit both hemisphere’s winter seasons
– Australia and NZ have poorer snow conditions and can often be icy
– I plan to return to Japan, or even Canada/Colorado, next year for approx. 10 days (possible powder snow)
– I want to get more confident in linking turns on steeper runs, and more comfortable with faster speed
– I’m mostly interested in sticking to groomed runs (and try powder at some point) and working on my carving, as opposed to freestyle and doing tricks in the park
My questions:
– What size board would be best?
– I’m considering Rossi Tesla or Myth. Most websites state that Tesla has extruded base as well, and that both boards are for freestyle riding. Are these still suitable for me?
– Which ultimately would you recommend?
– Is it best to buy the binding that was designed for the board? Eg. Rossi make a Tesla and Myth binding, don’t they?
Hi Melissa
Thanks for your message.
I think size-wise for you something in the range 146 to 148. Since you’ve already had 13 days and are looking to get in that 10-15 days per year I wouldn’t go as low as say 144cm, which I might normally recommend for a beginner with your specs. This is generally speaking and different boards feel longer and shorter but I think this range is a good one to look at for you.
In terms of width I think your ideal range is somewhere between 235mm and 241mm (in terms of waist width)
The Tesla and Myth are both freestyle boards – but often freestyle boards also work really well as beginner boards. But since you sound like you are already progressing nicely and already have some specific things in mind – i.e. not going down the freestyle road and wanting to ride powder in the future and also planning to ride a decent amount and so should progress nicely, then I think we should look at something that’s more all-mountain oriented for you.
The other thing you mention is encountering icy conditions quite a bit, so we should take that into account as well.
In terms of bindings there’s no reason why you would need to get the binding that was designed for the board. In fact Rossignol is the only company I can think of that have bindings that are named after boards. So you don’t need to restrict your binding search to that. The important thing with bindings is roughly matching the flex of your bindings with the flex of the board.
In terms of compatibility most bindings will fit most boards. It’s really just Burton’s “EST” bindings you have to be careful with – they only fit on Burton boards with the “Channel System”. But Burton also have “Re:Flex” bindings which will fit on other brands boards. You can learn more about choosing bindings at the links below.
>>Choosing Binding Flex
Binding and Snowboard Compatability
>>Snowboard Binding Sizing
And here are some options for bindings
Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
In terms of boards I think that the following would be great options for you:
~ Rossignol Frenemy 147cm (240mm waist width) – great in ice and it’s an all mountain board. Will ride well in powder. But it’s not overly stiff and has a friendly camber profile. Something that would make this list apart from being a little bit more expensive than the options here (but still really reasonable). Also it’s something that spans ability levels – suitable for a beginner but great for intermediate and more advanced riders. I think this is your best option.
~ YES Emoticon 146cm (239mm waist) – again great in ice. Not as good in powder as the Frenemy and a little more freestyle oriented but it’s an all-mountain-freestyle board rather than strictly a freestyle board like the Tesla and Myth. My Fiancée has this board and she loves it – she doesn’t do any freestyle riding either.
~ Jones Twin Sister 146cm (242mm waist) – this is an all-mountain board like the Frenemy. Not quite as good in icy conditions but still pretty good. A little bit stiffer than the Frenemy (medium as opposed to medium-soft)
~ Never Summer Infinity 147cm (234mm waist) – another all-mountain board with a similar flex (medium-soft) to the Frenemy). Not quite as good edge-hold as Frenemy in icy conditions but still good (similar to the Jones Twin Sister).
Hopefully you can find one of these. I think these would all be great choices for you. If you can’t find any of these let me know and I can give you some more options.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate, thanks for so much for your advice. I liked the sound of Rossi Frenemy 147 and found it online for USD200, which seemed a great price! Pity I have to spend so much shipping it over to Australia from the US though 🙁
In terms of bindings, I read your reviews, then managed to find a pair of Rome Katana for USD200 as well. But I’m unsure about whether they might be too stiff for someone at my riding level, even though they match the stiffness of the board (I think a flex of 6 in both board and bindings).
I got even further confused when I was asking someone at a store about the Burton Escapade, then being told that Lexa would be better value for money for the specs. They also said the flex in Lexa was in reality softer than Escapade.
What are your thoughts about the Rome Katana on the Frenemy? Or would Burton be better?
PS: I bought Salomon Pearl boots in Japan before I left.
Hi Melissa
Great price for the Frenemy! Pity about the shipping but hopefully you still got a good price overall.
I would say that the Frenemy is more like a medium-soft flex. More like a 4/10 or 5/10 at most. Rossignol typically overstate the stiffness on their gear – it’s the same for their men’s boards. The Rome Katana on the other hand is a true 6/10 I would say. That’s not to say that it’s too far different to the board that it’s not a match. You could definitely pair those 2 up if you wanted. They’re in that kind of flex range that I would recommend to an intermediate rider – not such a beginner – so it sounds like you’re on the cusp of that.
I would definitely say that the Escapade is softer flexing than the Lexa. The Lexa is the stiffest women’s binding in the Burton line-up. I would say that the Lexa is a bit too stiff for you at this stage. The Escapade on the other hand would be at a good flex level for you. They’re not the cheapest bindings in the world, for sure, and I wouldn’t necessarily argue against the fact that the Lexa might be better value for money in terms of the specs – but value is relative to the rider. If they end up being too stiff for you and difficult/unenjoyable to ride, then they won’t be giving you much value at all.
If you go Burton, I would go Escapade – or you could go for the Scribe, which is a cheaper option but at a similar flex level to the Escapade. I would go Scribe before Lexa if I was you. That’s not to say that you should necessarily go with Burton. They do make great bindings, IMO but there are other good options out there too. But if you did go Burton that would be my picks for you.
Still an amazing price, even taking into account shipping! I’m so thankful you recommended Frenemy to me (and just generally for replying and providing so much advice). I proudly showed my best friend a picture of my new board… her comment was “That’s such a you design”! haha 😀
Oh, I wasn’t specifically looking for Burton! I did like what I had seen and read of Escapade on your review… however, the price is a huge deterrent (I can’t find one below USD224).
So I did some more research based on (what I read to be) medium flex, online availability of sizes, colours that would suit the Frenemy and priced under USD200. I narrowed down to this list:
Salomon Nova $132
Salomon Mirage $144
Ride VXN 2016=$152 2017=$190
Burton Scribe $188
Union Trilogy $196
I’m aiming for flex of 5 to match the board. Though I intend for these bindings to last me for several years (or likely throughout my whole snowboarding lifetime), I’m happy to cut out the 6’s if you feel they’re a little too advanced for me.
With the above list, which would you recommend, taking into account the value for money? My fave on that list was the Trilogy (it’s so lightweight!), but if I can get something comparable for cheaper… I suppose that will do.
Hi Melissa
You’re very welcome.
From that list I would go either Salomon Mirage or Union Trilogy – or the Burton Scribe. Not to say that the others wouldn’t be bad bindings but based on your criteria I think those 3 would be the best picks. I would say ideally Burton Escapade or Union Legacy – but the Legacy will probably be hard to find for under $200 like the Escapades. And there shouldn’t be too much difference going to the Scribe/Trilogy. The Mirage is also another quality option and it looks like you’ve found an awesome price on them.
For value for money I would be leaning towards the Mirage but you can’t go wrong with the Trilogy or Scribe either.
Hope this helps
Nate, what a godsend your beginner snowboard column was to me. I began riding at age 48. I do not ski, and had never seen a snowboard before. I purchased the Burton Social, and headed for my first lesson, which was a disaster. I spent most of my time just sitting on the slopes. After reading your column, I ordered the Myth, and my life has never been the same. Things finally just clicked! I only had a few days on the slopes, but they were the most productive with my new Myth. This year at age 49 we hit the slopes 25 times, from the East coast to Colorado and Utah! I insisted on taking MY board, and I was in heaven. I can now proudly consider myself an advanced beginner! Thank you for giving me my confidence…this is just the beginning!
Hi Julie
So glad to hear that you’re progressing so well! And really awesome that you were able to get 25 days in, in just your second season. It’s also always great to hear about how the right gear helped – that’s exactly what this site is here for – thanks for sharing!
Hey Nate,
Awesome reviews! Was hoping you could help me with some recommendations
I’m a short woman, 4’10”, 110 lbs with a size 6 shoe and a beginner. Would you recommend a kids size board or would a woman’s board work?
Thanks!
Hi Jamie
Apologies for the late reply. I have had a full on weekend demoing gear and then had Monday off for my fiancée’s birthday.
I think a women’s board would work for you. I would say that something between 136cm and 139cm would be a good length for you and try to look for something with a waist width of between 232mm and 238mm with size 6s.
This gives you a few options on this list i.e.
– 138cm Salomon Oh Yeah
– 136cm or 139cm Rossi Tesla
– 138cm Ride Rapture
– 139cm Rossi Myth
That’s not to say that you can’t go with a kids board as well – there are kids boards that would fit your specs too. However, I am not that familiar with kids boards, so I wouldn’t be able to recommend what would be best for you there. Also, and I’m not an expert on the subject, but I have heard that kids boards don’t necessarily end up with the same tech as adult boards.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I’ve really enjoyed your site and learned a lot! I was hoping to get a recommendation from you as to board, boots and bindings given my size etc I don’t seem to be a good match for women’s boards.
I’m 5’11” and weigh about 160lbs. I wear a size 10 shoe. I’ve got a slender – athletic build.
I learned to snowboard a long time ago but haven’t been in years. I would consider myself an advanced beginner or beginning intermediate. I’m comfortable linking turns – the biggest problem I have had is catching an edge when going down straight/more flat sections. I haven’t snowboarded in years but recently moved to Denver and am looking forward to getting back on a board here in Colorado. I prefer to stay on the trail or on powder. I am not interested in terrain parks or anything like that.
Thank you so much!!
– Sylvia
Hi Sylvia
Thanks for your message.
I would say that something around a 155cm (give or take) would be a good length and for waist width your looking at something roughly 247mm to 253mm. That doesn’t leave too many women’s board options but there are some.
The following I have also made sure will be good for a beginner going on intermediate rider and appropriate for the style that you prefer.
~ GNU B-Nice 154cm (245mm waist)
~ Ride Saturday 154cm (246mm waist)
~ K2 Spot Lite 153cm (248mm waist)
~ K2 Bright Lite 154cm (245mm waist)
~ Burton Feelgood Flying V 155cm (245mm waist)
~ Roxy Ally 155cm (252mm waist)
~ YES Emoticon 152cm (252mm waist) – a little shorter than the others but the extra width means you could go a bit shorter
~ Capita Space Metal Fantasy 153cm (245mm waist)
Some of these are borderline too narrow. But if you were to go with Burton or Ride boots (which have really good reduced outer-sole tech) then I think you’d be fine width-wise on those. Otherwise, you might get away with those but it would be pushing. Anything on or over that 247mm waist width mark should be fine with any boots.
For boots, I would say to check out the following links to get some ideas.
>>My Top Women’s Beginner Boots
>>My Top Women’s Freestyle Snowboard Boots
>>My Top Women’s All-Mountain Snowboard Boots
You can also check out the following link to help you choose
>>How to Choose Snowboard Boots
And finally for bindings, check out the following:
Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Most women’s bindings can accomodate size 10s so you will be fine going with women’s bindings – I always recommend sticking with women’s bindings as much as possible because there are some design features that make them more suitable for women. You can check out some of the different brands sizings at the next link.
>>Snowboard Binding Sizing
Hope this helps
Thanks so much Nate!! I really appreciate it!!
You’re very welcome Sylvia. Thanks for visiting the site!
Hey Nate,
I wanted to say thanks for writing this article. 🙂
I was looking into the Rossignol Myth because of your article, but I ended up grabbing a pair of Burton Lexa EST Bindings at an REI Garage sale I couldn’t pass up ($40 bucks!). It looks like they only work through a channel binding system, so was wondering if you had recs for a board that works. I’m looking for something I can ride as I’m starting out, but that I can also use as I get more intermediate.
Some other info about me: I’m 5’2 and 125 – 130 pounds. It’s my first season, and I just started riding easy blues this past weekend! I’ve rented 138 and 140 cm boards since they’re a bit easier to navigate (thanks for the advice!)
So far, I’ve looked into:
Burton Deja Vu Flying V — I was looking into 138 or 141, I’m not sure what size would be best for me.
Burton Feather — I think I’d prefer a twin though
Burton Genie — Seems like it’s a pretty beginner board though
Curious if you have any recommendations for any boards and sizes that would work for me!
Thanks for all of your help!!
Hi Lynn
Great deal on the Lexas – that’s crazy cheap!
But yeah you will have to go for a Burton board with channel system, since they’re the EST bindings. But that’s fine, cause Burton make good boards.
I think the Deja Vu Flying V would be a good option. It would definitely go for the 141cm. I think the 138cm will be too short for you, especially as you progress. The 141cm would be the better size.
That would be the best for you out of the 3 you’ve mentioned, IMO.
Another good option would be the Feelgood Flying V – for this one I would go for the 140cm – or even the 144cm. Probably the 140cm on balance but the 144cm would be doable for you too.
Hope this helps
Thanks so much for responding Nate. 🙂
I’m looking between the Deja Vu Flying V and Feelgood Flying V. Using GoodRide and I don’t really see too much of a difference except for the flex.
Do you have a preference based off specs for either one? The majority of time I’m probably going to keep trying to ride more difficult runs — getting used to blues and blacks. All your info is super useful.
Thanks again 🙂
Hi Lynn
You’re very welcome.
The Deja Vu Flying V is probably a little bit easier to start out on but overall the Feelgood Flying V is probably the slightly better board. But there isn’t a huge amount of difference between them. On balance I would say Feelgood Flying V because it would take you a bit further in terms of all-mountain riding and because it’s a slightly better match for the Lexas (in terms of flex) – but either would be suitable.
Awesome, I’ll keep my eyes open for any good deals.
Thanks for all of your help 🙂
You’re very welcome Lynn.! Hope you can find a good deal
Hi Nate! Thank you so so so much for your article! I am a first time buyer and had no idea which board to buy. After reading your article I have decided to go with the number 1 board. However, I am confused on which length to get. When I went to Steven’s pass they sized me at 140cm. However, other websites recommend a much longer board, between 145cm and 151cm. I am debating between buying the 139cm or the 144cm Rossignol board. I am 5ft 5in and 135lbs. What size would you recommend?
Hi Yuri
Thanks for your message. For the Rossignol Myth, the 144cm would be the best for you, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
What a great thread! Hoping you might be able to provide a little direction for myself 🙂
I’m 168cm, 76kg (165lbs) and Boot size 10. I have only snowboarded twice, a week in Australia and a week in Japan – I would say I am beginner/intermediate I can link turns ok but do find going from heelside to toeside more difficult, but I am pretty confident. From what I have been researching, I am thinking about a board size around 151-153, and also maybe some mens boards are options for me because of my shoe size and weight?
Would appreciate any thoughts or recommendations 🙂
Hi Kim
I think you’re on the money in terms of a good length range for you – 150-153 is a good range for you to be looking at, IMO.
In terms of width, I would be looking at a waist width range between 247mm and 253mm. The only reason I would say not to go for men’s boards usually is the board width but if you look at men’s boards the widths for that length range should have some options in that width range. The only other thing is that, on average, men’s boards tend to be stiffer in terms of flex. But that’s not a problem as long as you look at men’s boards that aren’t too stiff flexing.
There are women’s boards that would be suitable for you too though, so you definitely don’t have to look for a men’s board.
From this list, the following would be a good fit for you, IMO.
>>Salomon Oh Yeah 151cm (247mm waist width)
>>Rome Royal 150cm (248mm waist)
Outside of this list there are quite a few options too including:
>>YES Emoticon 152cm (252mm waist)
>>Rome Lo-Fi Rocker 152cm (248mm waist)
This isn’t an exhaustive list but just a few that I found that are both suitable for that beginner/intermediate level and in a good length and width for you.
Check out the link below if you want to check out some men’s options
>>Top 5 Beginner Snowboards for Men
Hope this helps to give you some options
Hi Nate,
Thank you for your super helpful and insightful posts. I purchased a Rossignol Myth 144cm board after reading your review, but I did not read the comments here until after my purchase. From what I gathered, I might be better off with a 139-142cm board? Would the 144cm board be appropriate for my ability level? Or is there another snowboard (& size) that is better fit for me?
My specs are: 5’3″, 110-115lb, size 7 boots. Currently, I have a 138cm cheap obscure-brand snowboard that was purchased 8-9 years ago (can’t find any reviews about it online).
I’ve been told by people that my current (small) board size should make it easier for me to learn, but I do not feel like this is the case. I still fall, though not as often as I did in the beginning. I’ve been riding for about 5 seasons (~1-6 trips each season), but would love to progress more. Currently, I can link turns on not-too-steep, easy blue terrain. I lose confidence, especially when it is icy and steep. I’m not sure where that puts me in terms of ability, perhaps higher end beginner or intermediate? I want to get down the basics once and for all, get the carving down, get through runs without falling, and maybe hit some easy park stuff in the future. Therefore, I thought buying a new beginner board (ie, Rossi Myth) may have been a good choice to hone in the skills. I’d appreciate any feedback!
Thank you for your help,
Jenny
Hi Jenny
Thanks for your message. If you were a complete beginner I would have recommended the 139cm Myth – but since you sound like you are at an intermediate level, I don’t think that the Myth 144cm should be too long. It’s probably the longest I would go for your specs/ability but it’s not way off.
The only thing is that you mention that you want to hit the park in the future – for this I would probably have recommended something a little bit shorter. The Myth is a good board for the park but the 144cm probably isn’t ideal for your specs in the park. But again, it’s doable.
So I think that board will be fine for you, but if you did want to check out some other options, then:
~ YES Emoticon 143cm (My Girlfriend recently bought this (from my advice of course 🙂 ) and I’d say she’s around the same level as you and she said it has improved her riding and given her more confidence in hard/icy conditions – this board does have good edge-hold in those types of conditions)
~ Roxy Ally 139cm or 143cm – another board that’s good in hard/icy conditions
But I think you could stick with the Rossi Myth. Shorter boards are easier to turn on – so that makes them easier to learn on – but adding a bit more length adds a bit more edge and a bit more surface area that is in contact with the snow. This increases stability. So when you’re riding steeper terrain and riding faster, that increased length actually helps you. If you are confident turning on blues, then you might actually like that extra bit of length for it’s extra stability.
Hope this helps
Hey! Thanks so much for your review ! I was recently introduced to snowboarding by my boyfriend, and have gone about four times. After a very frustrating experience one day with rentals (my bindings were shot and kept coming undone) I decided to bite the bullet and actively look for a board. Only problem? There wasn’t any board that I liked! Everything was 144 cm plus, and when I rented that, I hated it. After searching and searching (and searching), I finally stumbled across the Rossignol Myth Amptex board. It’s a cm shorter than what I wanted, but it fits the bill on what I was looking for.
After reading your review I am so pumped to try it and feeling much more confident in my buy. Just need to grab bindings/boots for it and then I’ll be good to go.
Thanks so much for your review!
Hi Violet
You’re very welcome. I hope the board treats you well! Definitely a good idea to get your own gear – beats rental gear every time!
If you want some ideas on boots/bindings to go with, check out the following links.
~ Top 5 Women’s Beginner Snowboard Boots
~ Top 5 Women’s Beginner Snowboard Bindings
Hi Nate,
Awesome reviews and discussion, exactly the information I’ve been looking for! Hoping to ask for a bit of extra help choosing a board for myself.
I’m a complete beginner to snowboarding and an intermediate skier. What has made me think of purchasing a board for myself is the potential ease of learning compared to clunky rental boards. I’ve had a brief muck around on my partners rental snowboard once for a laugh (way oversized, as were his boots!). And then another brief muck around in the beginners area on my own rental board while the lifts were down. I actually had much more difficulty on my own rental board compared to my partners board (who is much larger than I am!) On reflection I think they might have loaned me a board that was even more oversized, as I remember it coming up above my chin, and it seemed much heavier in comparison to my partners board, which would have been a premium rental for an advanced rider compared to mine which was a standard rental for a beginner. This has made me think I might save myself lots of frustration by just purchasing a good quality board in the correct size that is easy to learn on.
The conditions would be predominantly icy, man-made snow. I’m 173cm, and 54kg. I’m very tempted by the Rossignol frenemy 144cm, but not sure if this would be too small.
Thanks for your help!
Ali.
Hi Ali
In my opinion you are 100% on the right track with your thinking. Getting a proper quality board – making sure that it’s not one that’s too advanced in terms of how hard it is to ride – will speed up your progress and just makes things way more fun, compared to the old clunky rental board. And you’ve also pointed out one of the other downsides to renting – that they don’t always get your size right – and that can either be because they don’t really know or sometimes because they are out of your size.
Anyway, you’ve made my job easy – because I think that the 144 Frenemy would be a great choice for you – it’s good to learn on, it’s great in icy conditions. It’s also the kind of board that would be good even once you’re more advanced – so it’s not something you’d have to replace, if you didn’t want to. You could probably also do the 147cm – but I think the 144cm is more appropriate and would help you progress faster.
The only thing – can you let me know your boot size (or if you don’t know, then your shoe size) – just so that I can make sure that the width of the 144 Frenemy is suitable.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
What size would you recommend for me… I am 120-125 lbs and 5’8″. I am a beginner. I recently used an old 152 Morrow board a friend gave me and I had a really hard time with it. I was thinking of the rossignol myth but I am hung up in 144 or 149. Maybe a different one would be better for me? I am a size 8 boot. Haven’t gotten bindings yet. Thanks for your time 🙂
Hi Bre
I think anything between a 144cm to a 147cm would be a good choice for you as a beginner and based on your specs. I’m not surprised that you had a hard time on a 152cm. Also, there are other factors about boards that make them harder or easier to learn on. I don’t know the specs of the board you were riding but it’s possible that they weren’t suitable for a beginner – but the 152 size alone would make it harder for you to ride.
So if you do go Myth, then I would go with the 144cm. The width on that is 236mm which is going to be quite narrow for you. But I think you would get away with it, just. What brand of boots do you have? That can make a difference to width.
In terms of other options on this list, I would say the following sizes would work.
~ Rome Royal 144cm (244mm waist width)
~ Ride Rapture 147cm (242mm waist width)
~ Salomon Oh Yeah 147cm (242mm waist width)
Hope this helps – if there are others not on this list that you are considering, let me know and I can give you my opinion as to their suitability.
Hi Nate,
I’m just learning to snowboard and came across your amazing site while looking at how to size a snowboard properly as I think I will progress better on my own snowboard rather than a hire (and save some money too)
I am 60kg (with boots etc on) and 5ft 3″
My boot size is a US 7.
I have had 3 lessons so far and struggling to master turning. First lesson was on a 140 and subsequent 2 lessons (2 days consecutively) I was on a 130.
I just wondered if you could confirm roughly what size board I should go for as I think it should be around 143 but then I am at the top of the weight range for most of the beginners boards you have recommended. I am based in UK so if you could recommend a board I could get hold of over here would be great!
Many thanks,
Sophie
Hi Sophie
I’d say anything from a 141cm to 143cm would be a good size for you. I wouldn’t worry too much about being at the top of the weight recommendations – these are rough guidelines and as a beginner especially you are better off being at the top of those guidelines than at the bottom.
I think the following (which are available in the UK – see links below) would be great options for you:
~ Roxy Ally 143cm (or 139cm if you felt like you preferred shorter)
~ Rossignol Gala Amptek 142cm
~ Ride Compact 143cm
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
first of all, I’ve really been enjoying your insightful reviews and recommendations, and think it’s great that you are taking the time to respond to people’s questions individually and extensively! Thanks for that!
I have only picked up snowboarding recently (5 lessons so far) and was looking to get my own gear, as I’ve really been enjoying my lessons. After reading your recommendations, I was thinking about getting a Ride Rapture (2016) in 154 (or Burton Genie in 152), as I am a heavy rider (5’4 and around 195lbs). However, I saw in one of your comments to another person (same height as myself but 230lbs) that for a heavier rider you recommend maybe getting a mid flex board rather than a soft beginner one, which made me question my choice.
I’m a grad student and have put on quite a bit of weight since starting grad school (boo), but I’m determined to loose a reasonable amount of weight till the next season (I’ve lost about 17lbs since January and plan to be around 170lbs end of this year – which still leaves me at the heavier end, I guess).
I’ll go snowboarding at least 5 more times this season (maybe up to 10 times). I’m not sure whether I should better wait for the next season to get my gear (see where my weight is at then), but I think the good deals are coming up now, and –as a student– budget is certainly a concern (plus, I’m kinda keen on my own board). I’m currently only snowboarding at the “city hill” once a week (artificial snow) but am hoping to go to Marmot Basin in the Canadian Rockies this and next season (it’s the closest snowboarding in the mountains).
What are your thoughts? Get a board now (and if so, what model and size would you recommend) or stick with rentals till next season? (Btw, my rental now is a 140 Elan. I don’t know the model. The first time they gave me an even smaller board but I feel the 140 works better, plus, the boots were a size too big for me the first time). I’m also not set on getting a women’s board necessarily (no idea whether it actually makes a difference).
Also, does my weight influence the choice of bindings? I saw a good deal on the Burton Citizen which you recommended, but again, because of my weight, should I go for another model?
I’d greatly appreciate your advice!
Cheers,
Claudia
Hi Claudia
Thanks for your message.
I think that going for something with a little bit of a stiffer flex is a good idea if you’re above the weight recommendations. This also enables you to ride a slightly shorter board, which can make it a bit easier to ride. But if you ride something that’s already quite soft flexing and it’s too short, then it might start feeling too soft.
I think if we can get on something around a 149 to 152 that’s in a medium flex but is still catch free and easier to ride for a beginner but will also allow you to progress to a more advanced level, then that would be a good option. These medium flex options will likely feel like around a medium-soft for you – which is what we want at this stage.
Personally, I think buying now is probably the best idea. The sooner you get your own gear (provided it’s suitable gear for your ability level) the quicker you’ll progress. It gives you consistency in gear and also gear that is of better quality and more suitable, generally speaking, than hiring. And as your weight goes down, the flex of the board will feel a little stiffer again, but only subtly and this won’t be a bad thing as by then you will likely have upped your ability.
In terms of men’s boards I’d say typically a no go for women. Not that there’s necessarily anything different but typically a men’s board will be wider and if it’s too wide for you it can make turn initiation slow and more difficult. But that would depend on your boot size. If you can let me know your boot size – or your foot length or shoe size if you don’t know your boot size – then I can more accurately recommend a size for you.
Anyway, at this stage I think the following would be good options for you. They fit the criteria that I mentioned above (medium flex, easy ride for a beginner, progression beyond beginner):
~ Burton Feelgood Flying V 149cm (up to 152cm max)
~ GNU Velvet Gnuru 150cm
~ GNU Ladies Choice 148.5cm (or 151.5cm)
~ Never Summer Infinity 149cm or 151cm
But if you can let me know your boot size I can give you a more accurate size recommendation in terms of width.
You could probably get away with going for something medium-stiff in bindings – but I think you would be better off going for a medium. Check out the link below to check out some binding options with a medium flex.
~ My Top 5 Women’s All Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps and that I answered all your questions. Let me know if I missed anything.
Hi Nate,
thank you so much for your reply! The boards you recommended are a bit higher in price than what I’d hoped for, but I found sales on either of the Gnu boards and will go for one of them (probably the Ladies Choice in 148.5).
I am not quite sure about boots. My feet are 24.5/25cm (Euro 39). The rental boots are a size 8 (but I don’t know what brand, inside the liner the Euro size is given as either 40 or 40.5, though). One thing I was wondering when researching bindings: Burton’s sizing, for example, says M (6–8) and L (8+). If I understand correctly, boot sizes vary by brand (so, I assume that Burton bindings sizes correlate with Burton boot sizes. So, because with a size 8 I’m right at the end of the size range (for Burton at least), would I need to possibly go one size up to L? Or go with M? (If I get different brand boots and bindings).
I read your recommendations on boots also, but again I’m not sure whether I’d also look for stiffer boots (i.e., medium flex) rather than softer beginner ones… The 32 Lashed FT boots (2015) are on sale at my local store currently, btw.
All the best,
Claudia
Hi Claudia
The width on the Ladies Choice 148.5 should be ideal for your boot size. And the 150 Velvet Gnuru the width will be fine too.
Burton binding sizes do correlate with Burton boot sizes you are correct. Binding sizes definitely vary. I wouldn’t say that boot sizes necessarily vary but different brands have a different fit and you could end up in a different size for a different brand – so I guess they do vary in that way. The other thing is that some boots have different outersole reduction – some boots have a lower profile outersole – so that they are smaller on the outer but the same fit on the inside, if that makes sense. Burton, Adidas & Ride have the smallest outersoles. So if you were on a Burton, Adidas or Ride size 8, then medium Burton bindings would be fine. If you were in another boot brand, then the medium might still be ok but the large might be safer. For most other brands you would be on a medium. Check out the post below to double check depending on the brand you go with.
~ How to Choose the Right Size Snowboard Bindings
There’s a men’s and women’s bindings table part way down the post which shows the different brands sizes and which boot sizes fit in their different sizes.
In terms of boot flex, I think you could go with a medium flex – and 32 Lashed are good boots and would be suitable for you, IMO – and the 2015 models will be fine too.
Hope this answers your questions – if you need any clarification just let me know
Thanks again, Nate! The boot profile explanation totally makes sense. While I was looking for bindings yesterday, I cam across Flow bindings (Flow Omni, for example). The rear entry option looks tempting…
What is your opinion on Flow bindings?
Cheers
Hi Claudia
I haven’t tested flow bindings for a few years now but I think they would do the job. The rear entry is nice for speed of getting in. I found that the trade off for speed vs performance wasn’t worth it for me – but that was a few years ago now – and I have heard they have stepped their game up since then. But I couldn’t say first hand. For entry level bindings I think they should be fine though. Only thing is that the Omni might be a little bit too stiff as beginner bindings. I would go with the Juno or Minx for you if you can. These are more medium flexing and should suit you best of the flow bindings. Medium size would be best.
Hi Nate,
I wondered what you thought about the Ride Compact 2017? I like the look of the Ride boards and their website directed me to this one as ‘most suitable’.
I would say i’m a beginner/intermediate boarder (more on the intermediate side) and quickly progressing. I’m 5’5, around 130lb size 8 shoe. I’ve only ever rented boards but I feel like I will be able to have more fun and progress if I had a better board to learn on as I haven’t had great experiences with rentals.
I’t not sure what level of boards I should be looking at as I don’t feel like a beginner anymore but I don’t want to get a board that is too advanced for me.
Any help/advice would be much appreciated!
Thanks
Anita
Hi Anita
I would go as far as to say that you will definitely have more fun and progress faster with your own gear. It’s not just that the gear will be better – but it will also mean that you will the same gear every time you go up – and that consistency really helps. There are plenty of other good reasons but those are two of the main ones.
You’re on the right thought track – you definitely don’t want to go too far ahead in the type of board you get – it can be a confidence killer – but you want something that will be able to take you to that next level.
I think that the Ride Compact would be suitable. It’s decent as a beginner board and you could certainly progress on it to an intermediate and up level. Ride give this a flex rating of a 2/10 but I’d say it’s a bit above that – more like a 3/10 at least.
Probably your best option from Ride’s line-up, IMO, would be the Ride Saturday. It’s new for them this year but it’s that kind of board that would be great for an intermediate rider looking to progress. It’s bit of a step up from the Compact but it sounds like you are progressing pretty quickly and I’m pretty sure you’d be able to handle it – it’s still a pretty easy going board, by all accounts, but just offers a bit more than the compact. Ride rates this a 3/10 for flex but again, I’d say they’re a bit on the soft side and it would be more like a 4/10 – I think that would be a good flex for you – and I think the camber profile (camber between the feet and rocker towards tip and tail) would be good. It’s still catch free but also offers a bit more with the camber.
Anyway, I think the Compact would be suitable but the Saturday would be a slightly better (even if more pricey) option.
In terms of sizing I would go with:
Compact: 147cm (238mm waist)
Saturday: 146cm (242mm waist)
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate, that is really helpful advice and I will definitely take a look at the Ride Saturday.
My friend has offered to lend me her board for my trip coming up, its 2015/2016 Roxy Radience 148 length. Do you think this board will be too advanced/wrong size for me to take out? I don’t want to borrow it if it would be counter productive? The reason I ask is because she is looking to get a new board and then would sell this one.
Thanks,
Anita
Hi Anita
I’d say the 2015 Radiance would be an intermediate and up board – so I don’t think it would be too too much board for you. The 148cm size is, I think, a good size for an advanced version of you, if that makes sense. As an intermediate rider bordering on beginner, ideally I think you would go a slightly shorter but all round I think it’s not a bad board for you to try.
So I don’t think there would be anything wrong with giving it a go to see what you think. If nothing else it will give you a gauge on whether you think you would like to go for something a little shorter/a little easier to ride. And you might even love it and want to buy it off your friend. But try not to feel pressured to buy it off your friend if you don’t feel like you’re comfortable on it.
sorry, 8.5 i believe
Hi ola
I think you’ll still be fine on the Burton Genie 142cm with 8.5s.
hi again nate,
i left a long update a few minutes ago to the thread above, but do not see it, please let me know if my message went thru as i had some questions there. thank you so much.
Hi Ola
Yes, I got your message, they just have to be moderated before they’re published. And I’ve been laid back with a stomach bug, so I haven’t had the chance to reply as quickly as usually as I would like to.
Between the Genie and the Socialite, I think the Genie will be the easier board to ride. The Socialite on the other hand is probably one that would last you longer in terms of once you become a more advanced rider. That said, probably one of the main reason’s for that is for performance at speed and for freestyle riding (tricks etc) – and if you don’t see yourself having a need for speed or looking to get into jumps/spins/jibs etc, then there isn’t that much more you’ll get out of the Socialite, IMO.
I think having your own board is definitely a good idea and having that consistency with your gear really helps, so I agree that it’s a good idea.
And yeah, I would look into padded shorts and wrist guards. If for nothing else, but for your confidence. I broke my tail bone on a jump a couple of years back and the next season I couldn’t get my confidence back on jumps. As soon as I bought padded shorts, I was fine again – just knowing I had the protection. I think it was mostly a physiological thing. So yeah, I would go for that protection, it will help, IMO. You’ll get there – everyone goes through the falls and pain, it will be worth it! I like your persistence!
In terms of your stance, I think it’s a good idea to experiment with your width and your binding angles – but to begin with going with the reference stance of the board is a good way to go in terms of width (also check out – Snowboard Stance Setup) and for angles check out the following:
>>Best Binding Angles for Beginners
I wouldn’t have thought that the reference stance on the Feather 144 would be too wide for you – but it may be the case that they didn’t set you up on the reference stance. But it also might be the case that you like a narrower stance, which is absolutely fine. If you find that the reference stance feels too wide (on whichever board you go with) you can make it narrower.
For bindings I would check out:
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
And for boots:
>>My Top Women’s Beginner Boots
In terms of the boots with the knob – those are what are called “Boa” boots. There are 3 main types of boot lacing systems – Boa, Traditional Lace and Speed Lace. Which one you go with mostly comes down to personal preference. It sounds like you liked the Boa system – so that would be a good bet to go with something with that.
>>More on boot lacing systems
Hope this helps
yes this definitely helps, thank you so much for taking the time to respond and all your valuable information. just curious…how does the rossignol tesla amptek compare to the burton social or genie? still leaning towards burton but browsing before i commit. at 5ft 6in and 130lbs i would still be good for the 142? (i gained a few lbs since last year when you recommended this length for me).
and sorry about the stomach bug…those are the worst!
Thanks Ola! I think I’m through the worst of it now.
I’d still say something between 143 and 145 for your new specs. Before I would have said 142 to 144. But I still think 142 for the Genie would be the better option for that board. You could go up to the 147 but it’s going to be a steeper learning curve if you went that long, IMO.
For the Tesla, another good option for you, the 143 would be your best bet, IMO. It’s a little different from the Genie/Social in that it has camber between the feet – but there isn’t a lot of it – it’s 20% camber and 80% rocker. So the camber is just in the middle of the board and it’s rocker from before the bindings, under the bindings and out to tip and tail. It’s a very forgiving profile like the flat-to-rocker profiles on the Genie/Social. It’s also a narrower board overall than both the Genie and the Social but should still be fine for your boot size.
Hope this helps
hi nate!
i am happy to say i just purchased my board, i went with the burton genie, thank you for all your help and advice. i will be purchasing the burton mint boa boots just waiting for a better price. but i am still a little confused which bindings to get, i have been looking for the est burton you suggested above but not exactly sure what i am looking for, would you be able to send me a link? there are different styles of est? i found scribe est, stiletto est. not sure which ones to look for. thank you again for all the help ☺️
Hi Ola
Awesome that you have a board now!
Yeah EST is just a type of binding with a certain mounting system and there are lots of different styles. Burton also have a “Re:Flex” style of binding. Their EST bindings are the best match for a Burton board but will only fit on Burton boards. Their “Re:Flex” models will fit on Burton boards as well as other snowboard brands. So if you were to change your board to a non-burton board at some stage but keep your same bindings, then Re:Flex is the way to go, if you go Burton. But i f you think that you’ll stick with Burton or if you changed boards you’d also change bindings, then EST is the way to go.
For beginners the best beginner binding options from Burton are:
~ Burton Citizen: only comes in Re:Flex
~ Burton Stiletto: comes in EST and Re:Flex
Hope this helps
thank you. for the stiletto est, would i go with a M or L for 8.5 boot? if L, it will not be too large to fit on the genie?
Hi Ola
With 8.5s you should go for the Large. You might be able to squeeze into the Mediums but the Large are the safer bet. You shouldn’t have any issues fitting the Large on to the Genie (assuming you went with the 142cm?).
yes i went with the 142 genie. thank you so much for all your help, i have all my gear, will be starting a new thread if you don’t mind me asking for help for my son’s board. ☺️
You’re very welcome!
hi again, adding to my earlier questions, i am a size 8 boot.
Hi Ola
Yes the Burton Genie is a very good board for beginners – so if you can get it at a good price, then I’d say go for it.
In terms of size I would go for the 142cm. I think this would be a good size for you as a beginner – it would also be a good width for size 8 boots.
Hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions about any of your other gear requirements.
hi again nate, thank you so much for replying and for your help, i am sure i will come back here with more questions. are there any other snowboards by burton that you would recommend to me being a beginner? the social? the genie i was looking at was sold out of my size, so i am still browsing and trying to get the best price, i am not in a rush but would like one by burton.
Hi Ola
The Socialite is a good beginner option. I’d say it’s the next best option to the Genie in the Burton line-up. The Feelgood Flying V and the Lip Stick would be the next best options after that – but they’re getting less ideal and more pricey.
I did find the Genie here in a 142cm though:
~ Burton Genie Snowboard at evo.com
Or here if you wanted to save a bit more money it’s also available at the same place as a blem board(this is for a board that has cosmetic damage but nothing that effects the performance of the board)
~ Burton Genie Blem
Hope this helps
thank you. how is the genie different from social? the one i am looking at, social, is only available in 147, is that too long for me at 5’6 122-125lbs? honestly, i like the colors on it more than the pinks and purples, which i am not a fan of, on the genie. insert eye roll 🙂 i won’t be in the snow again till next dec-jan, but imagine now can get a better price after season? or do you recommend waiting for fall when new boards and patterns come out? not sure how they are priced beginning of season.
Hi Ola
There’s not too much difference between the Genie and Socialite in terms of suitability for a beginner. I’d say that the Socialite has a bit of a looser feeling to it – and it’s a bit more expensive. But if you’re willing to invest a bit more it’s a suitable beginner option. However, as a beginner I’d prefer to see you on the 142 rather than the 147. You could definitely go up to a 144 or even 145cm at a push but I think 147cm is a little bit long. It would be fine for your specs if you were a more advanced rider – but longer boards are harder to learn on.
Come summer and the start of next season (especially around Black Friday sales time) you will get good deals on 2016-17 models – but the trade-off is availability. There is typically less to choose from. So at the moment, there are more options for 2016-17 gear and most of it is starting to go on sale already. Whatever’s left in summer/early season might be even cheaper – but you may not be able to find what you’re after. The new 2017-18 models will come out some time around late summer – but they will be full price until around this time next year. You would have your pick of gear for 2017-18 models in fall and come early season – but it would cost more.
I did find the Burton Solialite in a 142cm at the link below though – and if you wanted to save a bit more there was also a 2016 model on the same site
~ Burton Socialite 142cm 2017
~ Burton Socialite 142cm 2016
Hope this helps
thank you so much for all your help. i was looking at a board called social with oranges on it (maybe limes). is social the same thing as socialite? sorry i am just confused why the one with oranges is listed as social on all sites and then there are the ones you sent which are listed as socialite. i do like the ones you sent me a link to. also, are there specific bindings and boots i need to purchase or do they all fit? interested in burton both all black. i also have a question about a board for my son, not sure if i can ask here too or at another link? again thank you so very much for all your help 🙂
Hi Ola
Ah yes, I see the confusion. I actually thought that the Social was replaced by the Socialite for the 2016 model. But I actually see that there was a 2016 Social and a 2016 Socialite (only a Socialite for 2017).
But these boards are very similar – in fact from a quick look at the stats I can’t actually see anything different about them except for the graphics.
So either would be fine – but get the one that you can find that’s in the best size for you.
Any boots will be fine – and you can fit most bindings to Burton boards.
Burton boards use something called the Channel System which is different to how other companies mount their bindings. But most binding brands/models are either compatible with this system or come with a separate disc to make them compatible. But just make sure that the bindings you are getting are “compatible with the channel system”. If you are going with Burton bindings the best bet is to go with their “EST” bindings. They also have “Re:Flex” bindings and they will come with something that makes them compatible with the channel system too (but mostly Burton make these so that they have bindings that are compatible with other brands’ boards).
So yeah if you go Burton either type will fit but EST are preferable – but if you want something that will also work on other boards, then go with the Re:Flex model.
You can check out some beginner binding and boot options at the link below.
~ My Top 5 Women’s Beginner Boots
~ My Top 5 Women’s Beginner Bindings
There are Burton options in both those lists.
hi nate, quick update from the above. i have not yet purchased a board, still debating between the genie and social. i plan on this being the board i stay with for years if not forever, as we are only in the snow a week out of the year and i am a complete beginner. we just got back from the slopes, i rented a board since i did not have one purchased yet. the rental gave me a burton feather 144. did not have a 142 available. i question whether i will ever grasp this sport, i am having such a hard time, i took lessons every day while we were there (5 days), but after taking so many hard falls on days 1-2, my wrists and buttbone were so banged up that i was just too tense, too fearful as each fall was like abuse on my wrists and behind, having to sit in pain for few minutes. i felt as if i took one more fall, i would end up breaking some bones. i believe for next year i will have to protect myself and buy wrist guards and pants with cushioning, let me know if you can recommend some for females. also, despite the falls and i believe, sprained wrists, i am not giving up on learning to board, but believe it is time to have my own board, as the last one i had rented felt different than this one. also, day 4 my instructor noticed that my stance was way too wide preventing me from positioning my body correctly. if you have any advice on how to set bindings ect i welcome it. also, what is the difference between boots that have the knob to tighten compared to the ones that are tied, and which do you recommend for me? both years i had the knobs in front, and found them easy to use and tighten, not sure if these are certain model names to look for? again, looking to find gear that i can use for years to come, as renting and having a different board each time can’t be a good thing for someone that is inexperienced. also interested in if you would choose the social or genie for a board to last me pretty much forever.
hi nate, please help. i am a total beginner and am looking for a good board for beginners while keeping the price as low as possible. i found a burton genie board that is very well priced, on sale. what are your thoughts on that board? reading over some of the rossignol boards you mention above a lot of the specs are the same, so i wonder, if in your opinion, it is in equally good board? again, it is less expensive and i am planning on buying boots and bindings by burton so just wanted to keep it consistent. also, can you please tell me what size i should be looking at? i am 5’6 122-125lbs and a newbie to snowboarding. thank you!
Hi Nate – I am a beginner snowboarder. I’ve been a beginner for a long time, as I only get on the mountain 1 or 2 times per year, then took a long break while my kids were little. I am definitely not a natural when it comes to athletics. We ski at Mount Washington on Vancouver Island, and I have remained on the “bunny hill”. I am able to turn, but often catch the front edge of my board when transitioning from the back to the front edge, resulting in falling (hence the bruised tail bone today from our first trip of the year yesterday). I am no speed demon – really don’t enjoy going too fast – especially when I’m not confident in my turns, so I end up cruising safely on my back edge most of the time.
Since my first time snowboarding about 15 years ago I have been using my husbands first board. It is a 155cm long, 25cm wide “Ride 1580″ board, which he bought used from a friend, so it is at least 15 years old. After another frustrating day on the mountain yesterday I suggested that maybe I need a different board, since I can’t seem to get past the level I am at. He thinks the board is fine – he learned just fine on it (he’s 170 lb and 6 foot 3″). He thinks I just need to go faster which will make the turning easier, but the thought of falling at even faster speeds is not appealing.
Anyways, before I give up all together, I want to know if you think a different board might make a difference. I am 5 ft 7” (172cm) and 130lbs (59kg). My boots are size 10 Thirty Two brand “STW Boa” style.
My girls are 8 and 10, and it was so fun to get on the mountain with them yesterday, but at age 42, it’s getting harder to bounce back from the falls! Would love to try and keep up with them at least for a little while longer. What board would you suggest for this cautious mom who’s content to play on the easy runs…no tricks or racing for me – just hoping to get down the hill with a few less bruises and a bit more dignity.
Thanks in advance for any advice/recommendations you might have.
Hi Melanie
I feel bad saying that you’ve been on the wrong board for 15 years – but I think you’ve been on the wrong board for 15 years, unfortunately.
For starters it’s way too long for you. As an advanced rider I’d put you on around a 150cm. as a beginner something between a 145cm and 147cm, generally speaking, would be a good size for you. That in itself is going to make a massive difference to how easy your board is to ride. A 155cm board for someone 170lb 6’3″ is going to be a very easy length to ride – but it’s a very difficult length to ride for someone with your specs.
And I don’t mean to go against your husband again (I’m guessing he’s a natural and/or has been riding/skiing since he was a kid?), but, in my opinion, just riding faster isn’t the way to progress. Once you get your confidence up you will naturally want to ride faster – but if the confidence isn’t there, then riding fast isn’t a good option.
The other thing that will make that board difficult to ride is that it’s almost certain to be a traditional camber board (because 15 years ago they pretty much all were). Yes you can learn to ride on a traditional camber board but it’s one of the hardest cambers to learn to ride. These days there are all sorts of camber profiles – and some are much easier than others to make turns on – particularly for beginners. And they’re definitely difficult to ride slow – so maybe your husband has a point about needing to ride faster on it! – but that’s one of the reasons they’re not a good beginner profile, because you need to ride faster before you really should be – that and they tend to be very catchy.
The width of your board is ok for you though – that’s about the only thing! Assuming you are a US Women’s size 10.0, then I would say you want to go with something roughly between 247mm (24.7cm) and 253mm (25.3cm) at the waist.
With all of that in mind, I think that the following would be great options for you:
~ Rome Royal 147cm (246mm waist) – I think this will be just wide enough for you and will be at a good length and is a very easy board to ride
The other boards on this list don’t have what I consider to be a good length to width ratio for your particular specs – so I would also suggest the following if you don’t like the look of the Royal or can’t find it in that size anywhere – these are men’s boards but they are men’s boards that will suit you much better than your current one:
~ YES Basic 146cm (247mm waist)
~ Rossignol District 146cm (246mm waist)
~ Rossignol Retox 147cm (248mm waist)
It will really make a big difference to get a board that is not only easier to ride but even more importantly, at a good size for you.
I also really recommend taking at least one lesson (but do so after you already have a new board) – it can make a real difference. If you really don’t want to take a lesson, check out my email course called the 7 Steps to Better Snowboarding. You can find it at the link below.
>>7 Steps to Better Snowboarding
Hope this helps – and I got to say you’re a real trooper toughing it out on that board for so long!
Hi again – Can’t thank you enough for taking the time to give me this info. I have been checking into things online, and it looks like the men’s Rossignol District comes in at a slightly cheaper price then the Rome Royal. I don’t care at all how the board looks, so just wondering how men’s and women’s board differ (besides the graphics)? Are they structured differently for our different body types? I will spend the bit of extra money on the Rome Royal if you think an actual women’s board would be better/more suitable for me for any reason, otherwise, I am leaning towards the men’s one.
As for the boot size, yes, I am a US womens size 10. I measured the bottom of the boot and its 30cm. I have “Technine elements” bindings. My husband thinks the 246mm waist will be fine for me – it is only very slightly smaller than my old board at 250mm.
So, I will await your final feedback before making my final decision.
Thanks again – I must say I feel validated by your comments about my now retired board with regards to all of the difficulties I’ve been having. Now I know it wasn’t all just me!! I have definitely earned a shiny new board just for me!
Melanie
Hi Melanie
You’re very welcome.
Men’s and women’s boards aren’t designed to be different anatomically really – typically speaking there are more women’s boards that are softer flexing and less that are stiff flexing compared to men’s boards. And often men’s boards are sized longer and wider – and are often too wide – so it’s not always that women are compatible with men’s boards – and it’s sometimes the case that men are more compatible with women’s boards. But there isn’t really any specific design features that I’d be too worried about.
When it comes to bindings and boots it’s a different story – in that case it’s a good idea to go with women’s specific – and usually it’s good to go with a women’s specific board but only really for sizing reasons. Since the District comes in a size that is appropriate for you, it’s a suitable board.
You have definitely earned that shiny new board!
Hi Nate!
I was wondering what kind of board you might recommend for me. I am 5′ 3” and 115 lbs. I am probably an early intermediate snowboarder, but I am learning fast. I have been renting a 140 K2 board (not sure what model or the specs) but I feel like next season I’ll be ready for an intermediate board, which is what I’m intending to buy for. Do you think I’m jumping the gun a little by trying to buy a board a little ahead of my current skill? I am typically a snow skier, and I used to race downhill alpine skiing. So I am used to weight and speed, but I’m not sure how my preferred ski style will transfer over to snowboarding. I am currently looking at a directional twin board, but am unsure what kind of other specs I should be looking for in a board. I was hoping you could point me in the right direction.
Hi Chloe
I think going a step up at your stage is fine. I just wouldn’t go too many steps up, if you know what I mean. So, I wouldn’t go out and buy the most advanced, stiffest freeride board you can find. But certainly a step above the beginner board should be fine for you if you feel you’re at an intermediate level and progressing quickly.
To me it sounds like an all mountain board would suit you. You can check out the link below if you want to see my top 6 women’s all mountain boards. Most of those boards are around a medium flex – which is a little stiffer than the beginner boards here – so a bit more challenging to ride in that sense (flex isn’t everything but it’s one factor). But they’ll also be better with handling at speed and if you ever go off piste/backcountry or think you want to soon, then they’ll also be better in deeper snow conditions when you encounter them.
Probably the Diva and the Aura are the most challenging on that list and are maybe 2 steps up – but the rest are more easy going – but at the same time a bit above that beginner level. I think they all have directional-twin shapes – except for the Aura which has a directional shape – and a bit of a setback stance.
If you’d prefer to be centered on the board rather than setback, then an all-mountain-freestyle board would be a good option – the main thing is that you would loose a little bit in terms of float in powder – but they are easier to ride switch if that’s something that you want to be doing. I think if you are more focused on downhill, riding fast and more challenging terrain and potentially going off piste or backcountry in the future, then the all-mountain boards would be your best bet. But if you wanted a centered stance and wanted a slightly more freestyle oriented board then the all-mountain freestyle would be the way to go.
~ Top 6 Women’s All Mountain Snowboards
~ Top 5 All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards
In terms of size I would say that something in the range 139cm to 143cm would work for you – leaning more towards the higher end of the range if you were going with an all-mountain board and the lower end of the range for an all-mountain-freestyle. Though this is only generally speaking – it can sometimes depend on the particular board. If you find something you like and want a specfic size recommendation for it, let me know and I’d be happy to give you my opinion.
Hope this helps you narrow down some options.
Hi there!
So I’m 5’8 and 135 pounds and I was wondering if I could get your advice on the right size snowboard. I’d say I’m somewhere between beginner and intermediate and have only used rental boards. Everyone I know skis and can’t help me out with sizing so I’m trying to navigate my way through a lot of advice on the internet haha. Any feedback would be great!
Thanks in advance! 🙂
Hi Abby
Always hard to sift through everything that’s out there online.
I would be looking at a range of around 148cm to 150cm if I was you. It will depend slightly on the board in some cases but that’s a general range that I think would suit you well. If you have a specific board that you are keen on, I would be happy to recommend a size for that specific board. Also if you could let me know your boot size, then I can also recommend a good width for you too.
Stay strong as a snowboarder among skiers! 😉
Thanks so much for the reply!
So I’ve found a Rossignol Myth 149 (that I think you would agree is a good choice considering it’s on your list haha) that I think is what I’m going to go for! I typically wear a size 9 boot and was wondering if it would be ok with the Myth board and what type of bindings you might suggest to go with it?
Thanks again 🙂
Hi Abbey
Yes, I definitely recommend the Myth for beginners! My only concern for you is that it might just be on the narrow size for you. I would normally suggest going with something that has a waist width of around 244mm to 250mm. That’s not to say that you would’t fit on the Myth 149 (238mm waist) but it’s getting into the territory of risking being too narrow. If you have low profile boots, then I’d say you’d be fine – but if you are renting boots, then chances are they won’t be low profile.
In terms of bindings, check out the following posts to get an idea of your sizing (different brands have different sizing) and for some ideas for some good beginner bindings.
~ Snowboard Binding Sizing
~ Top 5 Women’s Snowboard Bindings
wow I never even thought about width haha. So I’ve been looking around for entry level boards and I’ve found a Burton Genie 150 and it has a width of 244. Do you think this one would be better considering my boot size? I know it has channel bindings but I was wondering what your thoughts are on them?
Thanks again 🙂
Hi Abby
I think the Burton Genie would be a great option. It’s a good board for beginners and you’ll definitely be safer going with that width.
EST bindings (that go on the channel system) are generally good quality. And you can actually put most brand’s bindings on a board with the channel system these days. Most binding companies make their bindings compatible – so I wouldn’t worry about the bindings aspect. the channel system itself works well in my opinion and EST bindings are great – but you don’t have to go with them, you can use other bindings – just make sure that they are channel system compatible before buying them.
Just one more thing – and sorry to be a pain with this (it’s my job to get you on the right board :-), what kind of snow conditions do you typically ride in? Just that the only downside with the Genie is that it’s not particularly good in icy conditions. If you aren’t in icy conditions that much, then it’ll be absolutely fine – but if you are on the East Coast or somewhere else that gets icy often, then you might want to look at other options.
Thank you so much! I’ve found bindings and a genie board as a package deal and I’m really excited to finish the season out with them. I live on the West coast in Canada and I typically go to Whistler for snowboarding and I’ve never had a huge problem with ice so I think I should be ok. (normally a lot of powder!)
Thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it!
Abby 🙂
Hey Abby
You’re very welcome. You should definitely have no major issue with ice at Whistler. I frequent there regularly and it’s always been good snow up there. Hope you enjoy your new setup and the rest of the season!
Hi Nate
I’m looking to purchase a new board, I’m 5’2″ 118 lbs. beginner/ intermediate and I can link my turns but have a hard time when it’s icy. I’m interested in getting either rossignol myth or ride rapture but what size would you recommend for each of them?
Thank you!
Hi Rolyn
For the Myth I would say go with the 139cm – you’d also get away with the 144cm but I think the 139cm would be a slightly better size for you.
For the Rapture, I think the 143cm would be best.
I think you should also consider the Rossignol Frenemy (144cm) and the YES Emoticon (143cm) and the Roxy Ally (143cm or 139cm). These boards are good beginner/intermediate boards that are also really good in icy conditions – they might give you a bit more confidence when it’s icy.
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate for all your suggestions. I bought the myth 139 and I get to try it on Presidents’ Day weekend. Hopefully I’ll get it on time ?
Thanks again- Rolyn
You’re very welcome Rolyn.
Hopefully it gets there in time and you have an awesome weekend on your new board!
Hi Nate,
I’m looking at getting the Ride Rapture (found a good deal for the ’16 model). I’m 5’2″, 110lb, size 7 boots – would you recommend the 139cm or 143cm? I’ve gone snowboarding a few times and still have trouble linking turns.
Thanks!
Hi Allie
For you I’d say go for the 139cm, based on your specs and your ability level. Ride’s weight recommendations really are low, IMO. I wouldn’t pay too much attention to those. I’d say 139cm would be your best choice.
Thank you for your help, Nate! Can’t wait for my new board to arrive
You’re very welcome Allie. Hope you enjoy your new board and have an awesome rest of your season!
Hi Nate, Your site is great and your response rate amazing. My GF is looking to replace a snowboard that was lost in a move a few years ago. It was a 12 year old deck so tech has come a long way. She is 5’3 120 lbs we were looking at different sets ups and found a 145 custom smalls flying V, we know it’s a junior board but do you think it would work for someone her size? It’s been a few years but at one point she did ride regularly.
Hi Dan
In terms of size I’d say that the 145cm is a good size for your girlfriend, assuming she will get back up to a reasonable level reasonably quickly – and assuming she’s more of an all-mountain rider than a freestyle rider?
If she was a complete beginner, then I’d prefer to see her on something between a 140cm and 142cm but she’s probably ok on a 145cm if she’s ridden quite a bit in the past. Though, ideally, taking at least something off that 145 mark might help her to get started again (of course it’s not all about size but it is one factor).
I don’t know much about junior/kids boards but I am assuming this would just be a smaller version of the custom flying v – but I couldn’t say for sure (actually just comparing the specs, the kids board looks like it’s a bit different to the adult version). That’s not to say it wouldn’t be fine for her.
The the only thing I would be concerned about is the width of the 145cm – i.e. could be a little bit too wide for her. Can you let me know her boot size and I can estimate whether or not the width would be ok.
I don’t currently put any focus on kids boards – so I couldn’t say for sure but I think it would be ok. My biggest concern would be the width.
Thanks for the reply. I guess the concept of Junior boards is new to me as they didn’t exist when either of us started snowboarding and you had to physically have holes drilled to mount your bindings.
Both of us started riding in the mid 90’s but are both coming off of a fairly long hiatus(15 years for myself and somewhat less for her). Gear has come a long way and we’re trying to sift through it all.
She wears a 6.5 boot if that helps. I also look up the specs and did notice some slight variations in shape etc. All in all it looks like a nice set up I just didn’t know if a significant measure of quality was lost on the junior equipment.
Currently, I’m riding a Nug flying V which I love in good snow but have experienced washiness on ice which I’ve read is a common issue with the profile. It’s hard to complain because even at its worst it’s still lightyears ahead of what I was riding over a decade ago.
Thanks again for your feedback.
Hi Dan
I think that the 145 would be a bit too wide (245mm waist width) – with a 6.5 boot I’d prefer to see her on something with a waist width between 233mm and 240mm. Just that when the board gets too wide, it can become slower from edge to edge and more difficult physically to initiate turns. The 140cm version (238mm waist) would work fine width-wise. It’s just whether that is then starting to get too short in length for her.
The Nug Flying V isn’t known for being great in hard/icy conditions. Definitely a good snow board. And, like you say, a lot of the Flying V Burton boards in that same boat. Super fun on good snow but a bit sketchy on harder stuff.
Hope this helps and welcome back to snowboarding!
Thanks, we will take a look at the board shop for your recommendations and some of those you have made on some of your other threads while at the shop this weekend.
Hi Nate! Thank you for all you info and advice! My specs are 5’2 and 105 lbs, sz 6 boot. I was considering the rossi myth, but board in an area where snow is consistently hard packed/icy. Could you recommend a beginners board that’s more suitable for these conditions for a beginner? Thanks in advance!!
Hi Anne
Thanks for your message.
In my opinion the best beginner boards for anyone who is in icy/hard conditions a lot are the Rossignol Frenemy and the YES Emoticon. They cost a little more than the others on this list (but are still reasonably priced) which is the only reason they didn’t also make the top 5.
In terms of sizing, I think that the following would suit you best:
Rossignol Frenemy: 144cm
YES Emoticon: 143cm
Ideally, I’d prefer to see you on something like a 138cm to 140cm, for your height/weight and the fact you are a beginner, but these boards don’t come in sizes that small.
Actually, another option that’s good in icy conditions and comes in a 139 is the Roxy Ally. This is also a great beginner board option – maybe not as ideal as the other 2 for a beginner – but pretty close and I think the 139cm size would actually make it better overall for you.
Hope this helps.
Thank you so so much nate!! Will definitely be picking on your suggestions!!
You’re very welcome Anne – hope you have a great season!
Hey Nate, my friend is deciding to stop renting and get her own beginner board. We found a 2015 Ride Rapture at the store for $160, but looking at Ride’s table, a 143 Rapture only has a supported weight of 70-100 which is really low. My friend is 5’4 and 120 lbs, so looking at the tables, recommended length would be 145-147. Subtracting 2-5cm for beginner, it’d put a 143 to be a perfect length.
Her boot size is 8, so somewhere at the 242mm range, but it looks like most boards at 143-145 are at the 240mm range. For the Rapture, it looks like it’s mainly just the weight recommendation issue.
We also found a Rossignol Tesla on sale, but the Waist Width for that board in 143 is 236, so that would be 6mm short of the recommended 242.
Thoughts?
Thanks!
Hi Victor
I think the 143cm Rapture would be fine for your friend.
I’m not sure why the weight recommendations are so low for the Rapture (and other women’s Ride boards). It’s not like it has a shorter effective edge compared to its length or anything like that – so I’m not sure the reasoning beyond their weight recommendations there. I tend to consider the weight recommendations but definitely not use them as a hard and fast rule.
The waist width at 240mm would be absolutely fine for your friend with size 8.0s.
The Rossi Tesla would be pushing it in terms of being too narrow. She might fit on it – and certainly as a beginner you’re not necessarily right up on your edges as much – but it would be risking it for being too narrow.
Hi Nate,
I am having a tough time deciding between a 2016 myth and a 2017 roxy ally for my girlfriend. And was wondering if there was really that big of a difference between the two?
Hi Sean
There are a couple of differences between these boards.
The major one probably being that the Myth has a hybrid camber profile and the Ally has basically a continuous rocker profile (but with some flat sections towards the inserts.
Some of the other differences are that the Ally has a sintered base (extruded on the Myth) – this is part of the reason why the Ally is more expensive. Also the Ally has better edge-hold in icy conditions.
I’d say that the Ally would be the better snowboard, generally speaking – but for a beginner, the Myth would be easier to learn on.
Hope this helps with your decision. Let me know what you go with if you want a size recommendation.
I have decided to go with the myth since its easier to learn on, and she is still a beginner. She is 5’7 and 130lbs. She has ridden on 140 rental board and seemed to like it, I was leaning towards the 144 with the myth? What would be your recommendation for the size I get her? Thanks for all the info, it has been a huge help!
Hi Sean
You’re very welcome.
I think your spot on with the 144cm. I think that will def be the best size for her for the Myth.
Hope she enjoys the new board!
Hi Nate,
I really appreciate how thorough you are in your posts! They have been extremely helpful in my research.
I’m just starting to learn to snowboard; I’ve done a few snowboard lessons this season and I love it. I’m looking into getting my own gear, and I found a used Ride Rapture 2011 board in 138cm. I’m 5’4″ and 115 lbs, so I’m not sure if this board is long enough for me. Do you think this board will work for me?
Also, when looking for boards, do I need to take into account that I ride goofy? Do boards typically come in regular or goofy versions, or is it all the same?
Thank you!
Hi Danielle
You don’t have to worry if you are regular or goofy. It’s all the same. You’ll just the way that you set up your bindings on your board. The only board that I can think of that is goofy and regular specific is the GNU Zoid but that’s a specialized board and very atypical.
I think the 138cm is probably the shortest you should go but it’s doable (ideally 140cm to 142cm)
My only concern would be that the Ride Rapture 2011 version had a different camber profile – it’s all rocker (the newer versions are flat to rocker). All rocker (aka Continuous Rocker) used to be recommended for beginners but not as much these days. The only reason I wouldn’t go there is that a continuous rocker board can feel quite loose underfoot. It’s good to have a little bit of a flat section or some mild camber underfoot for a bit more stability. That said, continuous rocker boards are super easy to turn on and tend to be pretty catch-free – they’re just quite loose feeling.
So I think it will work but it’s probably not ideal.
Hope this helps
Hey there. I have a question on board size and would love to hear your thoughts. I am 5’2 and a half. I am right around 200 pounds. (I lost 165 pounds a few years back, so 200 is pretty damn good at this point). Anyway…..I own a 151 board. I hate it. I took 4 lessons with that board and never made it down the bunny hill. I want to set that board on fire and watch it burn. Today I was a Sierra at Tahoe on vacation and rented a 140cm board. It was a thousand times better. I actually made real progress and finally felt like I had some sort of control. I have never felt in control on the longer board. According to everything I read I basically should not be snowboarding at my weight (feck that)….or the board length recommendation is just stupidly large. Thoughts? Should I go ahead and order something (Maybe the Myth?) in a 140?
Hi Jennifer
First of all don’t listen to anybody who says you can’t snowboard at your weight – that’s complete BS.
Weight is a consideration in board length and height is too. But the other consideration that’s often overlooked is what you feel comfortable on and your personal preference.
The other thing to consider as well is that not all boards are the same – even of the same length. Length is an important consideration but there are other factors that can make a board easier or harder to ride for a beginner. So I’m not sure what the board is that you own – but it may be that it’s not a suitable beginner board – as well as not being a good length for you. If you want to know the best specs for beginner boards (IMO) you can check out the link below.
~ How to Choose a Beginner Snowboard
But if you want to skip that you’re on the right page here.
Another thing to consider is that one board at 140cm for example, might feel completely different to another board of the same length. But the boards in this list have been chosen specifically to be easy to learn on. So you don’t necessarily need to go as low as the 140cm you hired but it sounds like closer to 140cm is better for you than closer to 150cm.
With all that out of the way, I think the best sizes for the boards on this list, based on your specs and your preference for a shorter board are:
Salomon Oh Yeah: 143cm
Rossignol Tesla: 143cm
Ride Rapture: Probably not a suitable size in there
Rome Royal: 144cm
Rossignol Myth: 144cm
Hello!
First of all, this is a great article and your website is very insightful.
My wife is a complete beginner and she is 5’1 and 48kg. (7us – 4.5uk – 235mm boot). I read the previous comments and I believe her right size of board should be around 138 since she is a complete beginner, but I was wondering if you would suggest sticking to that exact length due to her height, weight and skills or maybe even considering a 139 or 140.
The boards I was looking at were:
Salomon Oh Yeah/Gypsy 138
Rossignol Tesla 139 (However I am a bit unsure about this since the amount of rocker seems very high and I am afraid it would be a much looser board compared to the previous two)
Never Summer Onyx 140 (Maybe still too long and looser than the Salomon due to the positionig of the camber under feet?)
Moreover, should the size increase while she gets more intermediate/advanced? I am already thinking ahead, I know, but I like to dream. I love the Yes Emoticon, but the shorter size is a 143, so probably once she gets more experienced we should still consider boards of a length of around 140 of the likes of the Jones Twin Sister maybe?
Thanks a lot!
Steve
Hi Steve
Yeah something around a 137cm to a 138cm is probably a good range to look at for your wife, IMO.
You could push out to 139cm but I don’t think she should go any longer than that.
The Tesla has Camber between the feet and underfoot so this board shouldn’t feel loose at all. The rocker is out towards the tips and tail which won’t make the board feel too loose but will help with easy turn initiation and make it less catchy – this board is designed to be an easier turner – but it’s also stable.
The Onyx 140cm I think is getting on the long side at this point.
All for the Oh Yeah and Gypsy and at this stage I think they come in the best sizes.
Some people – especially those who only ride a couple of days every year – stay with their beginner length to stay with a more casual ride. But if your wife was to improve and get quite good and want something with a bit more performance, then yeah up-sizing would be a good move down the line. But I think that 143cm would be getting a bit too long – unless she was wanting a more freeride/powder board and rode in the backcountry a lot.
Ideally she would start out on something 137 to 138 and then move up to something around 140cm (IMO) when/if she wants to upsize.
Hope this helps.
First, I really want to say that I’ve really come to appreciate your site as a reference. My wife and I have 3 young children, 6, 4, and 2, and are all about getting them outdoors and into every activity possible. We live only 30 minutes from the local snow resort and purchased a season pass this year for the family, and will likely be hitting the slopes 10-20 times a season all depending on what our schedules allow.
My wife is concerned about her knees, and at her friends advice picked up snowboarding as a more knee friendly alternative to skiing. She’s already been out 5 times this season, has been renting equipment, and considering this will be a many year activity for our family, it’s a no-brainer for her to get her own board, bindings, boots, etc.
Having done some research, I’m fairly set on getting her a Rossingol Frenemy. We live in VA, we get some snow routinely in the winter but the resorts rely heavily on the man-made kind to maintain the hills so things are fairly hard-pack and icy which I’ve heard the Frenemy is also ideal for. Further, she’ll be primarily All-Mountain.
The only thing I’m unsure of is what size to get her? She’s 5’9″ and 140-145lbs with a size 8 boot. Per the Rossingol size chart for the Frenemy, she’s on the end of the spectrum for the 150 and more in the range of the 153. She’s by no means a speed demon and more of a cautious rider if that helps any assessment?
Hi Damond
Thanks for your message.
I agree that the Rossignol Frenemy sounds like a good choice.
For a more advanced rider I would say that the 153cm would be a better choice. Also if your wife liked to ride fast then the 153cm would be a good length. But I think that the 150cm would actually suit her better.
She might be on the higher end of the weight recommendations but that will just make the board feel a little softer and a little more casual. Also, Rossignol weight recommendations are on the light side, typically.
Long story short, I think that the 150cm would be the best size.
Hope this helps
Hi there!
I had my eye on the Frenemy and even more so now that I’ve read your site. What size would you recommend for a beginner? I’ve started connected some turns here and there, and was a on a rental sized 147. I’m 5’6″ and weigh around 135-140.
I found the 150cm on sale, so I’m debating whether I should go for the 147 (+$60) or if 150 is ok for me.
Thanks,
Donna
Hi Donna
I think that the 147cm is going to be more fun and easier to progress on for you as a beginner. The 150cm is definitely not miles out of range but if it was me I would pay the extra $60 to get the 147cm. But if how much you’re spending is a big issue, then the 150cm is an option – it will just be a little bit of a steeper learning curve and maybe progression will be a little bit slower – maybe not, but that’s what I would expect.
Hope this helps
Thanks so much, Nate!
You’re very welcome Donna!
Hey Nate,
I’m 5’2, 135lbs (last I checked) and am trying to decide which size I should get for the Myth (maybe Tesla). I’m planning on getting back into a regular workout routine and thus maybe losing some weight, and then since you recommend 3-5cm shorter for beginners, should I go with the 144 instead of the 149?
Thanks!
Hi Brenna
For your specs, even if they don’t change, I would definitely go for the 144cm for the Myth (143cm for Tesla). As a beginner you want to go down a few centimeters.
Also, Rossignol’s weight recommendations are on the light side compared to other boards, so I wouldn’t worry about it if you are a few pounds over their recommendations. Definitely the 144cm – the 149cm would be too long for you, IMO.
Hi! I’m happy to have found your site!
I’m a female, adult, 5feet2, 108lbs.
Beginner and still practicing the novice turns and I don’t even know if I should be getting my own board at this time, or should I get better at this sport first?
I’m a goofy, and I’m not very keen in speed. I intend to get my basics done then start picking up butter and other tricks.
I actually shortlisted three boards, would you give me your inputs to each of them?
1. Salomon Gypsy 15/16 138cm
2. Salomon Oh Yeah 16/17 138cm
3. Salomon Men’s Sanchez 16/17 141cm
My most preferred option would be the Gypsy for aesthetic reasons =)
Thank you!!
Hi TT
I think you should definitely be getting your own gear – makes progression much faster in my opinion – check out the article at the link below to see all the reasons why I think buying is better than renting, in most cases.
~ Should I rent or buy a snowboard
I think the 137cm to 138cm is a good length for you. The Gypsy is a great beginner board so I that would be a great choice along with the Oh Yeah. And the 138cm length is a good size for both. I would be weary of the Sanchez 141cm just because I think it’s slightly too long for you as a beginner and also it’s likely too wide.
So if you like the looks of the Gypsy, then go for it, because it’s a great beginners board and in a good size for you.
Thank you for your feedback!
Can I ask if there’s any difference if I purchase the kid’s Salomon Gypsy 16/17 since they have 138cm too? The women’s gypsy 15/16 is sold out everywhere and i really like the tiger print on it..
Will it be fine for me to use that? My boots size is uk5 us7.
Hi TT
Thanks for letting me know your boot size. The Gypsy kids will be fine in terms of its width for your boot size. The only thing is that it’s softer flexing than the women’s version from what I can tell. But that doesn’t mean it’s not suitable. I think the girls version would be fine for you.
I would say definitely no to the Sanchez now as it will be too wide for your boot size.
Hi Nate,
Can I pair the Gypsy (either women’s or kids) with Union Juliet? Thank you!
Hi TT
Yeah the Gypsy and the Juliet would be a good pairing. For your boot size you should go with a size Medium.
THANK YFOR THESE SPECS. I JUST LEARNED TO SNOWBOARD. I RENTED A HARBO 140 I WAS FITTED DUCK FEET BECAUSE AT THE MOMENT I GO BOTH WAYS. HOWEVER. I AM 5’6′ 155LB. AND SINCE I ALSO LEARN TO STOP BOTH TOES AND HEEL, WHICH BOARD WOULD YOU RECOMMEND. I WAS LEARNING ON POWDER IN LAKE TAHOE NOW I WANT TO PRACTICE, BUT EAST COAST. I KNOW I WILL BE PRACTICING ON GRANULAR SNOW. AND I NEED TO BE ON ICE AS WELL. ALREADY HAD THAT UNFORTUNATE EXPERIENCE. OH I AM NOT SCREAMING HERE, MY CAP LOCK IS STUCK. BUT THIS WEBSITE IS GREAT. BUT I AM LOOKING FOR ONE THAT WILL HELP ME TURN LEFT AND RIGHT EASILY. AND I CAN ALSO PEDAL MY FEET TO SNAKE DOWN ON LOWER HILLS.
THANK YOU
Hi Veronica
Thanks for your message – I was wondering about the all caps, thanks for explaining!
It sounds like you need a board that is good for learning on but also good in ice and that you want to be able to keep riding in both directions easily.
In terms of size, based on your specs and your ability level, I would say anything between a 150cm and 152cm, generally speaking.
I think the following would be great choices for you. Though they didn’t make this list, they are all true twin, cenetered stanced boards (good for riding in both directions) all really good in icy conditions – and still rated well as beginner boards too. So I think they would be the most suitable for you. I have included the sizes I think would be best for you for each board.
Roxy Ally: 151cm
YES Emoticon: 152cm
GNU B-Nice: 151cm
The Rossignol Frenemy would also be a good option I think – only that it doesn’t have a centered stance which makes it harder (but still doable) for riding switch.
Hope this helps
Hello there,
Thank you so much for all the information.
I am a beginner with several seasons behind and now I am thinking of buying my own deck, Rossi Myth. I am not interested of hanging in the park so I am not quite sure if Rossi Myth as a freestyle board would be right for me.
Also I am doubting the size. If I should go for a 149 cm or 154 cm. I am 172 cm tall and weigh 68 kg.
Would be grateful for some advice.
Hi Joana
Thanks for your message.
A lot of freestyle boards are also very good for beginners. You don’t have to ride them in the park either. But if you’re still concerned about that you could look at the Rossiignol Frenemy or the YES Emoticon. They’re a bit more expensive but still great beginner boards and more all-mountain oriented.
In terms of size I would say you want something around around a 149cm to 151cm as a beginner. In the case of the Myth, I would go for the 149cm over the 154cm.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Great info you have here! I consider myself between beginner and intermediate, but probably more of a beginner these days. I use to snowboard every weekend during snow season when I was in college, but the last 6 years has been more casual (getting married, buying a house, having a kid, working full time). I want to get back into it again and would like your advice on a new board. I am 4’11” and 150 pounds. Thanks so much !
Thanks Marie
For you I would go with something that’s between 143cm and 145cm, this is taking into consideration your physical specs and the fact that you are beginner bordering on intermediate. For this list I would say the following (same as for the last person):
Salomon Sight: 143cm
Rossignol Tesla: 143cm
Ride Rapture: Probably not a suitable size in there
Rome Royal: 144cm
Rossignol Myth: 144cm
If you want more options, check out the next link (scroll down on the page after clicking the link to find the women’s boards).
~ Beginner Snowboards Ratings Catalog Page
Hope this helps
Hi there,
Thank you so much for your research! This is great. As a new boarder (or trying to be) I want to stop renting and buying my own. Looking at your recommendations I want to pick one but am having troubles with my height/weight ratio measurement. I am 5’0 and weight 140 (female), based on my weight it looks like I might be closer to 148cm but then feel it might be too long for me. I have taken but 3 lessons and have started to feel comfortable coming down the mountain but still feel a bit uneasy and know I will get better with more mileage. Out of your recommendations what would you suggest I really consider?
Thanks,
Hi Em
Thanks for your comments. The weight recommendations only take weight into consideration. In my opinion, the size of your snowboard should incorporate your height as well – weight is the main consideration but height comes into it too. For you I would say that 148cm is definitely too long, especially as a beginner. Once you are a more experienced rider then I’d say up to 147cm but for now I would say you should look in the 143cm to 145cm range if possible, depending on the board.
So from this list I’d say:
Salomon Sight: 143cm
Rossignol Tesla: 143cm
Ride Rapture: Probably not a suitable size in there
Rome Royal: 144cm
Rossignol Myth: 144cm
Hope this helps
Thank you, very helpful and will take your recommendations in mind!
You’re very welcome Em. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hello,
First off all, thanks for the detailed info!
I am a beginner to beginner-intermediate, but love it so I want to buy my own board.
I am 160 cm in height and weigh 54kg.
I can’t seem to find the Myth anywhere but did find a ‘2016 Ride Rapture 138cm Women’s Snowboard’ for 260 dollars.
Is this too short for me?
I also found a ‘2016 143cm Rossignol Tesla Amptek’ for 180 dollars! But I an worried about the sinitered base.
What do you think?
Thanks !
I am female btw. 🙂
And did manage to find a Rossi Myth 2017 for 220 Euro’s.
Should I take the 139 or 144 ?
Hi Andro
I think that the Rapture 138cm is probably a little bit too short for you. Not by much though. Generally speaking something between a 140cm and a 142cm would be what I would be looking at for you – but it does depend on the particular board to some extent.
I think the Tesla in a 143cm is a good size for you and I wouldn’t worry too much about the sintered base. It does require more regular waxing and will be a little bit faster – if that’s an issue then it’s not ideal but if that doesn’t bother you, then the Tesla 143cm would be a good choice.
It’s a tough one between the 139 and 144 Myth. The 139 will have the advantage of being really easy to maneuver and turn which would probably be appreciated if you were a very beginner but since you are bordering on intermediate maybe the 144cm is the better bet, IMO. It will be a bit more stable at that longer length and should be a good length for you.
Hope this helps.
Hi Nate,
I have been looking at getting a board this season but i am still pretty new. I have been up a couple of times in the last two years but still have trouble connecting my turns and on toe side. I am around 5’5 or 5’6 and usually somewhere between 135-145. I was looking at the boards you mentioned above but still unsure. I am considering somewhere around a 147. I have been on several boards in a range from a 143 to a 152 (rentals were not consistent). I felt like the 152 was to big but struggled with the 143 as well. However, I am having trouble finding the Myth in the 149 which i think is the size for that I would prefer and was undecided about some of the others in the list. So I was wondering if you have an specific recommendations or any other good beginner board suggestions that aren’t in the above list?
Also do you have any reviews on the Burton Starstruck Boots?
Thanks!
Kara
Hi Kara
I agree that something around that 146cm or 147cm mark is a good size for you. 152cm definitely too big and 143cm too small. So I agree with your sizing. It’s funny how far off rental places can be sometimes.
I can’t seem to find the Myth anywhere either. Popular board this season.
Anything else on this list would be suitable and for you I would go with the following sizes:
Salomon Oh Yeah: 147cm
Rossignol Tesla: 148cm
Ride Rapture: 147cm
Rome Royal: 147cm
If you want some more options check out the following link – it has these 5 and then another 10 options. Once you’re on the page scroll down to find the women’s options.
~ Beginner Snowboards Catalog
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
Thanks for the other ideas. I have been looking around still and I may have found a 149 Myth. However, I was also looking at the K2 First Lite 150 and was wondering how you would compare the two and if besides price you would still recommend the Myth over the First Lite.
Also, are there any particular bindings you would recommend for those two boards?
Thanks,
Kara
Hi Kara
I would say that there isn’t too much difference in the two boards in terms of how good they are for beginners. They are both very good beginner boards. The Myth only slightly more ideal but really they would both be fine.
The only thing I would say is that, based on previous comments, I think that the 146cm would be the better size for you for the First Lite. I think between the Myth 149cm and the First Lite 146cm, I think that the First Lite 146cm would be the best choice. But between the Myth 149cm and the First Lite 150cm, that the Myth 149cm would be the better choice.
Hope this helps
In terms of bindings, check out the link below. I think anything in there will pair well with either of these boards.
~ Top 5 Women’s Snowboard Bindings for Beginners
Hi Nate!
Thank you for these precious advises, I have now a more precise vue of what I want/need. I have a beginner to intermediate level. I started last month during a week, I do turns but it appears that rent a rocker board so I think this is part why I did not feel stable at high speed (+ the icy slope and my lack of experience)…
After researchs, I saw the Yes Emoticon board which fulfills many if the criteria for a beginner board you explained, except the flex (6/10).
What do you think about that board?
Hi Anne
As I was reading your comment, the first board that came into my head was the YES Emoticon! It is a very good beginner board and is also very good in icy conditions. Don’t worry about the 6/10 flex rating – in reality (in my opinion) the YES Emoticon is really a 4/10 flex rating.
The Emoticon would have made this list – the only reason it’s not on this list is that it looses points for not being as low price as some of the others on this list – but otherwise it is a very good board for beginners.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
After riding for a few years, i’ve finally decided to take the plunge and buy my very first snowboard! I’ve been using your website and a few other resources to help me decide, but i’d love to have some direct input from you.
I’d say i’m at a beginner-intermediate level and motivated to quickly progress my skills. I’m a bit of a speed demon and enjoy racing down the piste, so that’s something that I look for in a board. Right now, i’m not into learning tricks/ jumping/ all that cool flashy stuff; just focused on really nailing the basics down (currently having a lot of difficulty/ lack confidence going toeside without falling).
Specs:
Boot size 7
5’5″
130-135 pounds
I know the board length is slightly different for each manufacturer, but the last time I rented a board, I was measured 146 for what I believe was a Burton board.
Price isn’t too much of a deterrent for me – I’m currently looking at the Yes Emoticon, Yes Basic, and Roxy Banana Smoothie, but i’d love to hear what other suggestions you have for me. Boot and binding recommendations would be great as well!
Hi Ellen
Thanks for your message.
I would say the 145-146 is about the right size for you. It differs a little bit board to board but generally speaking I think that would be a good range to look at.
I think that the YES Emoticon would be a great option for you from what you’re describing. It’s a great board for beginner to intermediate riders but it’s also good for more advanced riders so it’s a good one to progress on. The 146cm would be the best size for that. And the width of that board would also be just right for your boot size.
I wouldn’t go for the Basic. The only reason for this is that it would too wide for your boot size. When the board is too wide for you it makes it physically more difficult to apply pressure to the edges and therefore makes turning more of a chore rather than being smooth and effortless.
The Banana Smoothie is also a good board for beginners/intermediate riders but not as good as the Emoticon (in my opinion) and probably not as good for what you want to be doing. It will have a looser feel – whereas the YES Emoticon will feel more stable. The Banana Smoothie would have been a good option if you were more interested in riding freestyle.
For bindings and boots check out the links below for a place to get started. If you have any questions about any of those let me know.
~ My Top 5 Beginner Snowboard Bindings for Women
~ My Top 5 Beginner Snowboard Boots for Women
For a lot of people the reason they are less competent/confident on their toe edge is that they aren’t bending their knees enough when on that toe edge. It can sometimes feel like you’re bending them more than you are. This isn’t necessarily the solution to that but it’s something to think about.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate! So I am a beginner and have used my husbands old board for the past two season. I am 5’6″ 145-150. I would like a board that I can advance with and use for a bit. I have the Burton imprint 1 boots size 8.5. What would you recommend for me? I was thinking the rossingol myth?
Hi Jay
The Myth is an option and certainly something that you will be able to progress quickly on. It will be on the narrow size for your boots but since you have Burton boots (which have a smaller outersole) you should be ok. I would recommend the 149cm size.
If you like the look of the Rossignol boards, then the Tesla is another option. For that I would go for the 148cm.
Whatever you go for, I imagine that you will enjoy having a narrower women’s board over a men’s board. Just a warning that the Rossi boards are even narrow for women’s boards so they will feel very different to the men’s board you’ve been riding. But once you get used to it, it will be much more enjoyable and take much less effort to turn on.
Note that Imprint is the name of the liner in Burton boots so I’m not sure which boots you have exactly – these comments are assuming that you have women’s boots and they are US women’s size 8.5. If they are men’s US8.5, then the two Rossi boards will be too narrow.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate, I was wondering when choosing the board length what is most important height or weight? I’m asking bc you recommended for Rossignol Tesla or Mint 139cm for me.
I wrote to you that I’m 5’3″ 110-112lb but I’m really 5’4″ 110-112lb after measuring myself. Would that make any difference in choosing board length or it would be still the same length recommendation for the boards you gave me.
Thanks again.
Hi Maggie
I replied to this above. Please see the comment above. Hope you have great holidays and a great season. Let me know if you have any other questions
hello there. your site is super helpful. i am 5’5″, 125ish pounds. i’ve been boarding about 5 times, but always a rental. i am going out on several trips this season and want to buy the right board. would you recommend the Arbor Ethos Rocker for a beginner? is it too beginner for someone that has been out a few times? I am thinking 144cm or 147cm. what do you recommend? would you recommend this board at all? THANK YOU!
Hi Neda
Thanks for your message.
I’m not that familiar with the Arbor Ethos Rocker but just looking at the specs, I think this would make a good beginner board. I wouldn’t usually say to go with a continuous rocker profile but in this case it sounds like the rocker is mellow and it gets more melow towards the tip and tail. I don’t think it’s too beginner. Depending on the style of riding you eventually get into you may have to upgrade once you become more advanced but that wouldn’t be for a while.
In terms of size, I think that the 144cm is definitely the best size for you. I think the 147 would be too long for you and the 141 would be too short.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I would love to have your opinion which board to choose. I have been riding for past few years for 3-4 days per year so every year is like learning again. My problem is catching edges and afraid too much of speed. I’m still learning to link turns, sometimes I can do it sometimes not. I’m getting frustrated with myself because of lack confidence. I just need easy board so I can finally have fun riding it and be less scare of mowing the snow with my face. What size should I get I’m 5’3″ and weight 110-112lb. Thank you
Hi Maggie
All of the boards in this list have been picked for their ease of riding so you’re in the right place.
In terms of size, I’d go with something around 137 to 139cm. If you were to pick one of the boards here I’d say go with the following sizes:
~ Salomon Oh Yeah 138cm
~ Rosi Tesla 139cm
~ Ride Rapture 138cm
~ Rome Royal – I’d rule this one out just because it doesn’t have a suitable size, IMO
~ Rossignol Myth 139cm
Hope this helps
Thank you so much for your advise.
The list of boards you mention above. Have you list them as with the most advisable as number one and so on. As you mentioned on my other comment that Rossignol Myth is narrow one. Should I reconsider it with one from your list and if yes those boots and bindings I mention before would work also?
I just don’t know if would be better have wider one. I want really easy ride 🙂
Thank you
Hi Maggie
Yes they are in order but size is just as important. There’s not too much between them, so if number 10 has a better size for you than number 1, then that would be the better option. You can check out the link below for more options (these 5 plus another 10) if you’d like more options.
~ Beginner Snowboards Ratings Catalog (scroll down to get to the women’s options)
In terms of being too narrow – that would depend on your boot size. If your boots are suitable for the width, then that narrowness would work for you. Sorry if you’ve already told me this (I can’t recall your previous comment) but if you can let me know your boot size I can advise you on width.
Hope this answers your questions.
Thank you Nate for your advise.
I would like to know if combination
Burton mint boots size 7, Citizen Snowboard bindings in medium and Rossignol myth 139cm would work and overhang wouldn’t be a problem?
Also I was considering the same boots and bindings but with Rossignol Tesla 139cm snowboard bc better price but it is sintered as you mentioned it would makes it faster. Should I worry about it? Is it big difference in speed bc I’m not fun of too much speed. If you still recommend it what about overhand with this board?
Thank you again.
Hi Maggie
I think that you would be fine with that setup. For size 7s I’d usually say not to go less than 235mm waist width but Burton boots have a low profile outersole so the 234mm waist width on the Rossi Myth 139cm will be fine for those boots. And the Burton Citizen mediums would work with that setup too.
The same applies for the Tesla – this will work with the Mint size 7s and Citizen mediums. You will get more accelaration out of a fully waxed sintered base. But this board will slow up over time if you don’t wax it. If you’re worried about too much speed, then I think that the Myth would be the better option but otherwise the Tesla would be fine.
Hey Nate, I was wondering when choosing the board length what is most important height or weight? I’m asking bc you recommended for Rossignol Tesla or Mint 139cm for me.
I wrote to you that I’m 5’3″ 110-112lb but I’m really 5’4″ 110-112lb after measuring myself. Would that make any difference in choosing board length or it would be still the same length recommendation for the boards you gave me.
Thanks again.
Hi Maggie
I would still go for the 139cm for you. Weight is the most important factor when it comes to board length. Because of stance width, the height is still a factor – but the difference of 1″ at the same weight doesn’t change the size recommendation for you.
Hey Nate,
I’m 5’10 and 125 pounds (tall and skinny), size 9 shoe. Im curious as what board would help me ride the slowest? LOL. The speed is what always scares me as much as I try to ‘carve’/ride horizontally. I hate feeling out of control, especially when I’m really catching speed. bbIm definitely a super beginnner but any gear advice would help!
Hi nl
Typically speaking, there are two main types of snowboard bases, Sintered and Extruded (there are others but we don’t need to get into them here). A sintered base will produce a faster ride than an extruded base. That’s why I have allocated more points for an extruded base for beginner boards (because like yourself, most beginners don’t want to ride too fast).
All boards on this list, apart from the Rossi Tesla, have extruded bases. But the base it not the only thing that determines speed. The shape of the snowboard, the side-cut of the board, the materials its made from and the camber profile all play a part too. The other thing that can make a board faster or slower is its length.
A directional or tapered directional shape will typically be faster than a twin shape. A camber profile that has “steep” camber in it will typically ride faster. A shallower side-cut will ride faster etc. And a longer board will ride faster.
That’s the complicated answer. The easy answer is, the boards in this list are all average or below average in terms of speed (and in this case that’s a good thing). The Tesla probably would start out accelerating faster than the others – but if you didn’t wax it for a while it would slow down considerably. But you’d have a few days to let it slow up.
Also if you go for a shorter length (which is recommended for a beginner not just because of the slower speed but also because a shorter board is easier to maneuver) it will take some more speed off.
So for you, if you were an advanced rider you’d be best on roughly (depending on the board) a 150cm long board. But because you are a beginner then something 145 to 147 is a better bet. A few centimeters can make a real difference.
We also need to take width into account because we don’t want your feet to hang too far over the edges – but at the same time you don’t want them too far inside either. A 1cm to 2cm boot overhang on each edge is ideal. For a women’s size 9 anything with a waist width between 242mm and 250mm should be ok.
So for these boards I think the following will be your best bets:
~ Salomon Oh Yeah: 147cm (242mm waist)
~ Ride Rapture: 147cm (242mm waist)
~ Rome Royal: 147cm (246mm waist)
I think that the Rossi boards are a little bit too narrow for your boots in the lengths that would be best for you. Of the above 3, I think the Rome Royal is in the best size because you’ll get a bit of extra stability – but the other two would work well too.
These obviously aren’t the only options but I think these 3 would be great options for you.
Hope this helps
Wow, Thank You so much for your quickness and efficiency! I truly appreciate it!!! Cheers to you NATE!
Hi nl.
You’re very welcome! I hope you have a great season and hope you enjoy whichever board you end up getting.
THANK YOU!!! I live in Korea and the children’s deck option is limited. BATALEON MINI SHRED BOY 130, Burton Custom Smalls 130, Burton Chicklet 130, BURTON CHOPPER LTD MARVEL 130
These are what I was able to find online before I do the tour of the stores. My daughter is a tomboy who would not go near pink, but if that is the better board for her…
Thank you for your help. I feel well educated to actually shop!
Sun
You’re very welcome Sun.
I think out of the 4 you mentioned there, the Burton Chopper, the Bataleon Minishred and the Burton Chicklet would be your best options. Since she doesn’t like pink, the Chopper or Minishred are probably the best. The Custom Smalls is a bit more of an advanced board.
Hope she loves the board you get for her!
Dear Nate,
I have a daughter who just turned 12. Should I get her women’s board or children’s board? She is 4’11” and 86lbs. Thank you.
Sun
Hi Sun
I think that she would need a board that is around 134cm long if she is an experienced rider. If she is a beginner, then I’d say anything from a 130 to a 132 (generally speaking though it can depend on the particular board).
I can’t think of any women’s boards that run down to that size, so I think you’ll be better off getting a girls board. It might be tempting to buy her something longer that she can grow into but the downside to doing that is that it makes it more difficult for her to learn and less enjoyable. Assuming she is a beginner, I wouldn’t go any longer than 134 and I’d only go that long if you want to get her something to grow into – but you’d still need a girls board at that size.
If you find a particular board, let me know and I can recommend a size and say whether or not I think it’s good for a beginner, if you’d like.
Hi Nate,
I’m learning a lot from your site – thanks! I could use your advice on getting a new board – still like a beginner as I don’t get to go often, but last 2 times I caught an edge and landed badly – both times were at the end of day when tired (hoping that’s why …).
Looking to improve and have fun with turns, switch-rides and lil pops – not after speed or pipes or parks. 5’5 160. Current board is 2014 ride compact 153.
Would love to hear your suggestions! Jen
Hi Jen
For starters I would size down a little bit. A 153 would be a good size for you if you were a more advanced rider. But a shorter length will be an easier more catch-free, more casual fun ride. I think that’s the first thing that you need to do for your new board. I would choose anything from a 149 to 151cm – this will partly depend on the particular board.
Then of course there are other aspects of a snowboard that will make it easy to ride, easy to turn, catch-free etc.
All the boards on this list were chosen to have those qualities. They’re not the only ones out there of course but they’re a good place to start. For the boards in this list I would go with the following sizes:
~ Myth: 149cm
~ Royal: 150cm
~ Rapture: 151cm
~ Tesla: 148cm
~ Oh Yeah: 151cm
Don’t worry too much if you’re not perfectly in the manufacturers weight recommendations.
If you’d like more options just let me know and I’ll give you a longer list.
Hope this helps.
Hi Nate,
Your post, comments and other pages are really a big help – thank you!
I’ve been thinking about getting a new board for a while, so I just did it – 151 Oh Yeah!
(I liked the myth too, but think it may be too narrow)
In a few weeks I’ll get to see what I can do with it – yay! At my skill level, not sure it’ll make much difference but I’m so looking forward to finding out. Jen
Great work Jen!
Hope you enjoy your new board and have a great season! Let me know what you think of it after you’ve had a chance to ride it.
Hi Nate!
I’m looking into buying the rossignol myth board after reading your review. I’ve been boarding for a while now but I’d say I’m still a beginner. I’m 5’6 and weigh about 120 pounds. Do you think the 144 would be the most appropriate choice for me?
Thanks!
Hi Deanna
Definitely the 144 – that will be the perfect size for you, IMO.
Nate,
I LOVE your site and have been using it to research for my first set. I’ve rented for 2 years now. I am 5’5 -5’6 and weigh 127lbs. I’m currently looking at the Rossignol Tesla. I am in between 143 or 148, but I’m not sure which one to pick after looking at the Rossignol sizing chart. I still consider myself a progressing beginner. Which size would you recommend or if there is another board on the list I should lean towards let me know! Thank you for your help in advance!
Sarah
Hi Sarah
For the Tesla I would say that the 143cm is the best option.
If you’re looking at anything else on the list, I think if it fits between 142 and 145cm then it should be good but let me know if you’re thinking about another board and I can give you a specific size recommendation depending on the board. But I think the Tesla 143cm would be a good option for you.
Nate,
Thanks for your help. Last question. I was only worried about the 143 because I thought I was on the higher end of the weight spectrum for that board. I’m buying the 2016 Tesla Amptek in 143 then. I ordered the 148, but returned it after seeing your suggestion. I checked the weight suggestion for this board and it says I’m good up to 60kg. Would all of my gear affect it that much? I understand you want a shorter board for beginners so we can control it.
Hi Sarah
All of your gear will certainly add weight but I wouldn’t worry too much about the weight recommendations. You certainly take them into account but they’re more of a guideline and Rossi weight guidelines are always on the light side for some reason.
And, as you say, you want to size down for beginners. I wouldn’t worry that you’re towards the higher end, the 143 is still the best option.
I hope you enjoy your new board and have a great season!
Sorry for the multiple questions. I would also be interested in your thoughts on beginner womens bindings. The links on your web site appear to be going to the top5 for men instead of women.
Hey Roger
Sorry about that – 2 brain fades in one day! I used to have the men’s and women’s beginner bindings on the same page and only recently separated them – and forgot to change the link. Thanks for pointing that out so I can fix it. The link to the women’s beginner bindings is below (it has the K2 Yeah Yeahs!).
>>Top 5 Women’s Snowboard Bindings for Beginners
Hi Nate,
i am looking to buy a board for my daugther. She is 5’4″ and around 140lbs. i was looking at the myth. One concern is that she wears a size 9 boot. rossignol web site indicates max recommend 8W. What would you recommend. She is just starting out. great info!!!
Hi Roger
Women’s Rossignol boards do tend to be quite narrow. Unfortunately I think the Myth is too narrow.
But there are a lot of other beginner boards that will work and with size 9 boots in the right length for your daughter. I think that the best length for her will be anywhere from a 144cm to 147cm and a waist width between 243mm and 249mm. Looking at this list the following would be good choices.
Rome Royal: The 144cm and 147cm would both work – the 147 probably just being the better option.
Ride Rapture: 147 – even though the weight recommendations only go up to 130lbs for this size, the 151 is too long, IMO, for your daughter. The 242mm waist width is on the narrower side but you’d probably get away with it
K2 Yeah Yeah: 147
Of course there are other options too. But unfortunately i think that the Rossi boards will be too narrow.
Hope this helps
Apprecaite your reply so much. I can not seem to find any info on the K2 Yeah Yeah. Do you have a link for it.
Hi Roger
Sorry brain fade there – K2 Yeah Yeah are bindings! I meant Salomon Oh Yeah! The link above should take you there.
What is your thought about the Solomon Oh Yeah for her?
I think the Salomon Oh Yeah (not the k2 Yeah Yeah as I said in my previous post!) could work. It’s the narrowest you’d want to go but I think it would be fine.
Hi Nate!
Your information was super helpful so thank you for that! My name is Kaycee and my first time snowboarding was last year. I’m definitely still consider a beginner and was wondering what you think of the Burton Talent Scout Snowboard 2015-2016. Fell in love with the design (I know the design is the last thing you should think about) but I just could not stop looking at it. You wouldn’t recommend that board for a beginner since it is a “freestyle” snowboard and not a “all mountain” board. Looking forward to hearing from you.
Hi Kaycee
Actually some freestyle boards make really good beginner boards – but not all of them. Unfortunately the Talent Scout isn’t something that I would recommend for a beginner. I know how tempting it can be to buy based on looks. I’ve made that mistake before!
If you wanted to go Burton and liked the design you could look at the Deja Vu Flying V. It’s still not the ideal beginner board but would be ok as a beginner option. The Burton Genie would be the best beginner option in terms of its specs (from the Burton line) and then probably the Lip Stick and the Deja Vu Flying V after that.
Hope this helps.
Hi Nate,
I love your reviews! They are really helpful and I wish I read them before getting my snowboards.
I have been snowboarding for a few years but I’m still trying my best at carving without falling – so I’d say I’m still a beginner. I wonder if I don’t have gears suitable for beginners and that’s why I’ve been struggling with my carving.
I’m 5″3 around 103lbs with size 5 feet, and I’m not sure if I can get Myth here (Canada). I did a bit of research online and we sell Rapture and Oh Yeah here, although personally I like K2 snowboards more. Would you recommend getting K2 First Lite over the other 2, and would they all be in the shortest size (138cm)?
Thanks,
Alice
Hi Alice
138 would be a good size for you. So for all 3 of those boards (Rapture, Oh Yeah and First Lite) the 138 would be the best size.
Any of those 3 boards would definitely be suitable. The First Lite was very close to making this list and is a really good beginner snowboard option. If you know that you prefer K2 boards, then I would go with the First Lite. The Myth is number 1 here but there are a number of snowboards that are suitable for beginners and you don’t necessarily have to go for that, of course.
So K2 First Lite 138 would be a great option for you.
Hope this helps and that you have a great season!
Hi,
I was wondering if you could help me, to choose correct snowboard for me.
I am not the complete beginner, I ride since 3 seasons, once a year – according to your article I would say that I am between level 2 and 3. My current snowboard is Rosignol Temptation (I use it from the beginning) and I don’t feel very comfortable on it (it is too fast for me and for longer time I cannot learn to make curving turns on this board).
Now I want to make small step back and learn again from the beginning on the new board (is it good idea?). Because of that I am evaluating to buy Burton Genie, Rosignol Myth or Rosignol Frenemy or maybe some other board. I am also not sure what length should I take. I prefer all mountain style. I have 169cm and around 56kg.
I would be greatfull if you could give me some hints.
Regards
Hi Emilia
Definitely a good idea to take a step back and learn on a board that will aid your progression. In the long run you will progress faster.
Sizing-wise I’d say to go with something between 144cm and 146cm.
So for the boards you mentioned:
Myth: 144cm
Genie: 142cm (the next size up is a 148 and the weight recommendations put you on the 142)
Frenemy: 144cm
Out of curiosity, what is the size of your current board?
Hi Nate,
Thanks a lot for the Reply 🙂
My current board is 150cm.
One more question if I may. Which of those 3 boards that I mentioned would you recommend the most, taking into account that what problems do I have with my Rosignol? Or maybe you would recommend some other board?
Hi Emilia
Thanks for letting me know. I had suspected that you had a longer board. And I think that will be a big reason that you have had trouble with your current board.
The longer the board, the harder it is to ride and the faster the board will be. If the board is too long for your physical specs and your tehnical ability, it will make the board difficult to control and likely faster than a beginner would want it.
I think you would be fine on any of the boards from the last comment, because the shorter size will make them much better for learning on (and they are good learner boards anyway), as long as you get them in the sizes recommended.
If you’re still worried that it has something to do with the Rossignol boards then you could try something with a flat-to-rocker profile. Those Rossignol boards have a Hybrid Camber profile. The Hybrid Camber profile is good for beginners – so long as the camber sections aren’t too exaggerated. If the Camber sections are more exaggerated then it will make the board faster. If you really want to play it safe you could try something with a flat-to-rocker profile.
The Burton Genie does have a flat-to-rocker profile and is a good beginner board so that’s definitely an option. Also the Rome Royal, Ride Rapture and the Salomon Oh Yeah on this list have flat-to-rocker profiles. If you’d like to know more options with this profile, let me know.
But I think the main thing at the moment is the size so the Rossignol boards from the last comment should be fine and also any of the others mentioned here.
Hi Nate,
I’m a new boarder, after years of going once because my friends all wanted to and spending most my time on the ground. I’ve decided this is the year I finally learn, commit too going. I started looking at boards but found some slight problems the first my height to weight ratio 5’4 – 260 Ibs. Based on this I assumed I would need a longer board, after going back and forth I ordered the M3 Free 158 , it arrived today and I’m having some serious doubts it looks longer than anything I’ve ever been on (rentals) , the brand had little reviews so I’m not sure on quality and finally while it’s absolutely beautiful, I’m more of a black and green colours kind of girl.
Even before looking at your review I found the rossignol myth gorgeous and exactly the kind of board I’d like aesthetics wise. Based on the weight limits It seems it would not be the right board at all . Any tips advice? The m3 is simply not making me happy but also finding a board that would fit me based on my size seems a challenge
Hey Mai
Unfortunately the Myth isn’t really going to be suitable.
Thanks for your message. I have to admit that M3 is not a brand that I know anything about (beyond knowing that they exist!). I think 158 probably is a bit long and will be a bit of a challenge to learn on. Once you are more advanced that size would be fine for you but as a beginner I would say that something between 154 and 156 would be a better bet.
If you are able to get a different board that would probably make your progression a bit easier.
What I would suggest and I have suggested for others is that you try and go for something that’s a medium flex. Medium-soft or soft is better for beginners but if you are a bit above the weight guidelines for a medium flex board then it will feel more like a medium-soft or soft.
If you do decide to buy something else or have your current board exchanged, then I’d suggest one of the following:
>>Burton Feel Good Flying V 155
>>Jones Twin Sister 155
>>GNU Velvet Gnuru 153
These are all easy riding boards. The only thing that makes them not ideal as beginner boards is that they have a medium flex (where medium-soft would be better) but because you are above the weight recommendations they will feel like medium-soft of soft when you’re riding them.
The other option would be to have a custom snowboard made. I don’t have any experience with that so I’m not sure how you’d get started but I do know there are people that make custom boards. The other option would be to go for a men’s board but the downside of that is that they tend to be wider and if your feet are too far inside the edges of the board then it makes it really hard to initiate turns – so I’d avoid the option if you can help it.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I am 5’4″ and 53kgs. I have been snowboarding a handful of times before but recently lost my confidence a little after a fall and have got into a few bad habits. I still would consider myself a beginner and this will be the first snowboard I have bought having rented in the past. I found your reviews so helpful and am really thinking of getting the Ride Rapture. However, my dad wants me to get the Burton Socialite. Is this also good for a beginner? I really want strong hold on hard snow and responsiveness with turning. I don’t care about going super fast and I don’t tend to go in the parks much, though I like to ride on both a groomed piste and off-piste powder. Leaving the price aside, which of these two boards would you recommend?
Thanks,
Jess
Hey Jess
Out of those 2 I would definitely go with the Rapture.
The reason’s I wouldn’t go with the Socialite is that it has a slightly looser feel and that’s not ideal for beginners and not ideal for what you want to do either. I wouldn’t say the Socialite is bad for a beginner but it’s not the best.
Both the Rapture and the Socialite are probably equal when it comes to edge-hold on hard snow. Both not bad but both not great. For better edge hold in harder snow and better float in powder I’d take a look at the YES Emoticon and the Rossignol Frenemy – both are still great for beginners as well. They didn’t make this list because of their price only really – they’re a bit more expensive than the rest on this list.
But they would probably be the best for you particularly. You can learn more about them at the following links.
>>Rossignol Frenemy
>>YES Emoticon
In short – out of the 2 the Rapture is the better choice, in my opinion but if you take money out of the equation and are looking for better edge-hold then the Emoticon and Frenemy are better options.
Sorry to go against your Dad! 🙂
Hope this helps
Thanks for your advice Nate! And for my height and weight, what length should I be looking at?
You’re very welcome!
For each board I’ve included recommended size options:
~YES Emoticon: 143cm – if you were a more advanced rider I’d say the 146 (but for beginners it’s better to ride a shorter length (easier to control the board) – dito for the rest
~Rossignol Frenemy: 144cm
~Ride Rapture: 143cm
Hope you enjoy your first snowboard and let me know how you like it once you’ve had a chance to ride it.
Great, thank you! I have decided on the YES Emoticon 143. Do you think last years model will be good enough? Or has it changed a lot since then?
Hey Jess
Great choice!
I think the only thing that’s changed for the 2017 model is the graphic so last year’s model will definitely be fine. Let me know how it goes once you’ve had a chance to ride it.
Hi Nate
Excellent thanks for your help, yes I am probably going to get one from overseas as like you say choices are limited and its cheaper too. Great advice, the YES emoticon and also the Frenemy were on my list, good to hear I am on the right track.
Hey Ange
You’re very welcome.
Definitely with a smaller population stores find it harder to offer as much gear – kinda makes sense but a bit limiting for the consumer. Hope you find a great board. If you think of it, let me know what you go with and what you think of it.
Hi Nate
Looking for some advice. I am 5.51 and 143 Ibs I have had around 3 days renting and I am still learning to turn correctly, especially toe side turns. I live in NZ snow conditions are quite icy, looking for a good choice for our conditions and also advice on what length I should ride on. My last rental was a rossignol trickstick 151 and I thought maybe a little shorter might have been good. Not too worried about price.
Hi Ange
I would say go a little shorter, depending on the board. A lot of boards have weight recommendations and you take that into account as well but in general I would say anything from a 147 to a 149 would be a good range to look at for your first board.
Based on your requirements I would say either the Never Summer Onyx or the Yes Emoticon would be the ideal fit. For the Onyx the 149 would be your best size and for the Yes Emoticon it would be the 149 also. There are other options but these are the best – and I couldn’t really find any of the other options in NZ stores either. You can check out the links for the NZ stores I found them in below.
Unfortunately I could only find the Onyx in a 146 but if you look deeper you might be able to find it in a 149. I found a 143 at another store but that’s definitely going too short. You’d get away with the 146. But I think the YES Emoticon is slightly better in ice anyway so that’s a great choice for you.
>>Yes Emoticon 149 at Boardertown.co.nz
>>Never Summer Onyx 146 at Boardertown.co.nz
The only reason neither of these boards made this top 5 women’s beginner snowboard list is because of price (which I took into consideration for the scores) otherwise they’re great for beginners.
Hope this helps. Thanks for visiting
Nate
Oh yeah – and I’m saying all this based on a height of 5’5″. Your post says 5.51 – correct me if I’m wrong in assuming that’s 5ft 5inches and I can adjust the length recommendation.
Hi Nate,
I’m looking at getting the Myth in a 139 or 144, but not sure which would be best for me. After two snowboarding trips, I can carve down the mountain but not without a few falls, so definitely still a beginner. I’m about 5’1″ – 5’2″ and 110 lbs and according to the Rossi chart, I’m out of the weight range for a 139. Will the 144 be too long for me?
Thanks!
Hey Kat
Your on the cusp a bit here. The 139 would be a good length for you generally speaking. But the manufacturers weight range recommendation should also be taken into account. I think the 144cm will be slightly too long for you as a beginner. I would go with the 139. Your right at the limit of the weight range but you are still within it. I think that the 139 would be a better option than the 144 at this stage.
Hi Nate,
How flexible is sizing? When I rented a board they put me on a 153 the first time, then a 152 the next few times. I never noticed a difference either way. Now that I’m looking to buy my own board I’m a bit overwhelmed. Should I stick with a 152/153 since I know that works for me? If I find an otherwise perfect board (the Rossi Myth sure looks tempting, but I can only find it 149 or lower), how much can I compromise on length?
I’m just under 5’10”, 135-145lb, size 8 boot. I was also looking at the K2 Bright Lite but they only have it in a 151 and 154.
Your site is super helpful – thanks so much!
Hey Sara
Yeah board length is definitely flexible to an extent. You’re unlikely to notice the difference going from one centimeter. Especially if you don’t ride them one after the other on the same day. I can definitely tell the difference between 2 centimeters but I demo a lot of different boards in a variety of sizes.
That said, you will notice the difference of more than 2cms so you want to get reasonably close but there is some flexibility.
I think that a 152 or 153 would be a good size for you as a more advanced rider – but as a beginner I think it’s a good idea to go slightly shorter. I think anywhere from a 149 to a 151cm would be a good range for you.
So if you go with the Myth go with the 149 – if you go with the Bright Lite choose the 151cm.
Hope this helps – thanks for visiting.
I ended up going with the Myth since I found it on sale for $180. Thanks for your response, it was very helpful!
You’re very welcome.
Nice deal! Let me know how you like it after you’ve had a chance to ride it.
Hi Nate,
Thank you so much for all of the helpful info on this site. I’m a beginning to intermediate snowboarder and am looking to take advantage of the post-season sales to get a deck for next season. I’m 5’5, 155 and wear a (US) size 9.5 boot. I am leaning toward the Rossignol Myth with Burton Stiletto bindings. Would you suggest a 149? I was also looking at the K2 Bright Lite? Do you have thoughts on that board? Finally, and this may seem weird, but I was wondering if the myth would be good for someone with big feet? I thought it interesting that the myth bindings only seem to come in s/m (it’s also totally possible that I’m just reading too much into that).
Hey Stephanie
Thanks for your message. As a beginner intermediate rider I think that the 149cm would be ideal for you. However, I am concerned that this board would be too narrow for your boot size. It has quite a narrow width on it. You might be ok but it would be a risk (if it’s too narrow you could risk boot drag).
The K2 Bright Lite could be an option. It’s a medium flex so it would be a bit stiff for a beginner but if your more on the intermediate side of things it could work. Again the 149 would be a good option – and the width is wider and probably more suitable.
Width is important – your definitely not reading too much in it.
Hope this helps – let me know if you have any other questions
Hi Nate,
Thanks for your thoughts on the Myth and also the Bright Lite. Think I will err on the side of caution and avoid the Myth so as avoid the potential boot drag issue. While I’m still considering the Bright Lite, I’ve now also added the Flow Silhouette and the Arbor Poparazzi to the list. Do you happen to have thoughts/advice on those decks?
Thanks again, all of your advice is truly appreciated!
Stephanie
Hi Nate,
Thank you so much for all of the helpful info on this site. I’m a beginning to intermediate snowboarder and am looking to take advantage of the post-season sales to get a deck for next season. I’m 5’5, 155 and wear a (US) size 9.5 boot. I am leaning toward the Rossignol Myth with Burton Stiletto bindings. Would you suggest a 149? I was also looking at the K2 Bright Lite? Do you have thoughts on that board? Finally, and this may seem weird, but I was wondering if the myth would be good for someone with big feet? I thought it interesting that the myth bindings only seem to come in s/m (it’s also totally possible that I’m just reading too much into that).
Hey Stephanie
You’re very welcome!
I think the Flow Silhouette could be an option. It fits all the right specs as an entry level deck. The 151cm would be the best for you and the width should be perfectly fine on that board. My one reservation would be that you would outgrow this board too quickly. But you could always sell it and upgrade if that was the case.
The Poporazzi is also an option. Only thing would be that this will feel a bit looser – i.e. not quite as stable as the other options. If this is something that you like the sound of then that’s sweet. I wouldn’t typically recommend it to a complete beginner but sounds you are a bit past that. It does have more of a medium rather than medium-soft flex too. If you did go with Poporazzi then the 150cm would be the best bet. However, the width is very similar to that of the Myth so if you weren’t wanting to risk it being too narrow I’d cross this off the list too.
Hope this helps and doesn’t make your decision even harder! Feel free to let me know if you have other options and want to know what I think
Hi Nate,
Again, your input is so helpful, thank you! I have crossed the Paparazzi off the list due to the width being a potential issue. I took a look at your expanded list of beginner boards and am now interested in the Burton Genie. My only concern is that it might be too much of a beginner board. If you think it might be a good option, I’ve been looking at both this year and last year’s model. Do you think they are similar enough that either would be ok?
Thanks again!
Stephanie
Hey Stephanie
I think the Burton Genie would be an ok option. It is pretty soft flexing – which is great for beginners but probably wouldn’t take you past the intermediate phase unless you think you’ll be into riding the park later. However, you could always get it and sell it once you’ve outgrown it and get the next step up.
In terms of this year’s and last year’s model I usually say go with last year’s if you can find it and get it at a good price. Usually from year to year there aren’t too many changes (sometimes there is but I don’t think that’s the case with the Genie) just minor tweaks.
Hi there Nate, your website has been so fantastic in preparing us for our first snowboarding trip to Whistler in a couple of weeks, thank you so much for all the effort you have put in to make it so great!
I have a quick question about the correct size of snowboard for me, I’m 152lbs, 5’5 1/2 and my shoe size is women’s us8.5 (39/25cm).
I’m really leaning towards the Rossi Myth followed by the Ride Rapture. I’m super confused about which size to get because I seem to fall right on the line between the 149 and the 154 for the Rossi Myth and I’m not sure if my foot size is correct for that board? ( I was using the chart from your totally awesome e-book).
With the Ride Rapture according to the charts on the Ride website I would be size 154, but when I put my details into their snowboard finder option it suggested the 151 size.
I’m an absolute beginner and sooo confused, what would you recommend?
Hey Bianca
Thanks for your message. Awesome that you liked the book.
I’d have you on around a 152cm or 153cm board once you are a more advanced rider. As a beginner it’s important to choose a board that is a bit shorter. It will make the learning process a lot easier. So I’d say anything from a 147 to a 150 would be your best range for your beginner board.
For the Myth I would definitely go for the 149. For the Rapture either the 147 or the 151.
In terms of width the Rapture would be the safer bet but I think you’d fit on the Myth too.
Hope this helps – enjoy Whistler!
Hi Nate, thank you so much for your advice, it’s really, really appreciated and super helpful! We have only one snowboard stores in the country I live in, with no selection of boards for women, so I will have one day of shopping in Seattle on the way up to whistler to get everything for the trip. Thank goodness I found your awesome site, I would be so lost without it!
Just one more quick question if that’s ok… I’m going to have to go with what is available at the stores on the day that I’m there, I’m doing lessons at the moment in an indoor ski slope on a rental Rossi trick-stick (only option). Ive looked online and it doesn’t look like many of the stores, REI, Evo, etc in Seattle stock the Rossi Myth.
I’m happy to invest in a quality board that will stay with me for a while, another one that was recommended to me was the Gnu B nice which is easily available at all the stores I checked online. Would that be a suitable option also? Are then any others that I should also consider on the day if they have my correct size?
Hi Bianca
You’re very welcome.
I think the B-Nice would be a decent board to learn on. My only concern is that it would feel a bit too loose for learning on, which is why it didn’t make the list.
If you are willing to invest more you might want to also consider:
~ The Rossignol Frenemy – a great beginner deck but also for more advanced riders but a bit more costly.
~ The YES Emoticon – like the Frenemy great for learning on but with a slightly higher price tag than your typical beginner deck
~ Rossignol Gala
~ Salomon Oh Yeah
The Ride Rapture is still an option too as discussed previously.
Enjoy your trip to Whistler!
Awesome, thanks Nate, you are the best!
Hi Nate,
Awesome site, i have found this really helpful! I have been looking at buying a beginners board after discovering snowboarding last season where i probably went out about 20 days worth.
I am in Australia and conditions here are usually quite icy, i am 5’9″ and just under 160 lbs with a size 10 foot. I tried out a couple of boards at a demo day last season – burton social, k2 first lite and ride compact and hated them all! Hence i went back to the beginners rental – the 149 Burton LTR L which i had a great time on.
After doing some extensive research and shopping around it appears everyone i speak to seems to have a different opinion about a suitable board! Some of the boards i have looked at/been recommended are the rossignol myth & frenemy, the Yes Emoticon, Roxy Sugar Banana along with the ones i tried out above.
Are you able to offer some suggestions for what you think might be a suitable board & size? Price isn’t really a concern as i would rather get something that i am going to enjoy and i will definately make use of it considering i have a season pass again this year!
Thanks heaps 🙂
Hey Lauren
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, I think something a bit longer than a 149cm would suit you. Anything from a 151cm to a 154cm would be good for you at this stage I think. Since you did enjoy riding the 149 it suggests that maybe you prefer a shorter board so maybe something closer to the 151cm. Though since you have already done 20 days you could probably move to something a bit longer.
Do you know the sizes of the Social, First Lite and Compact that you tried? Maybe you didn’t like the size? In any case none of those are great choices for icy or hard snow conditions so I wouldn’t recommend them if that’s what you often ride in.
I think the Frenemy and the Emoticon would both be great options. They both have much better edge-hold than the other 3 you tried and would be much better in the conditions you described. They also have different camber profiles than the other 3 so will feel different underfoot. They have hybrid camber profiles (camber underfoot for stability and rocker towards tip and tail to avoid catching an edge) making them good beginner boards. I’m not sure what the Burton LTR-L has – I’m not familiar with that board – it may just be a hire board?
The Myth won’t have the same grip on ice as the other 2 and if you’re willing to invest a bit more then I think the Frenemy and the Emoticon would be the better options.
In terms of sizing I would go with the following.
Frenemy – 153cm
Emoticon – 152cm
Hope this helps. Oh one more question – is your boot size a US size 10? Not sure what sizing is used in Australia
Hey Nate,
Firstly great article – very useful! I was looking at getting either the Rossignol Diva Magtek or Roxy XOXO (recommended to me by a store nearby – banana shape and magtek) but after reading your article I’m thinking either the Salomon, Tesla (love the graphics and wild sintered make it a bit more zippy) or Myth as the Diva and XOXO look to be more intermediate to pro boards and freestyle and like you said I think it’s better to learn then buy a board I will grow into… I can’t decide and was hoping for some help from you! I am leaning towards Myth then Tesla… I’m roughly 130lbs (60kg sometimes go down to 55) and 5’6/7, what size board would you recommend? Have snowboarded once before but really like to push myself and think I’ll progress quickly to intermediate once I’ve mastered turning! I can turn easily heel side but not toeside and I enjoy ploughing and switching down the mountain.
Thanks so much and I look forward to your response :). Binding recommendations would also be appreciated!
Elise
I have found a Myth 149cm for a good price with bindings here: Rossignol Myth at Wilderness
But I’m not sure if that’s slightly too big a board for me? And not sure which year the board is!
Hey
149cm is maybe slightly too long for a beginner board. But it’s not entirely out of range. As mentioned in my other reply, I’d say your around a 150cm when you become more advanced but possibly even a 151cm taking into account the fact that your weight is increased when you have all your snowboarding gear on.
Preferably I’d say 145 to 148 but 149 isn’t outrageously too long.
That’s the 2014 Myth – probably why you’re able to get a good deal on it. But I don’t think the Myth has changed much since then so it’s still a great beginner deck.
The bindings should be nice and easy to learn on too. I don’t know that much about them but they are designed for beginners.
Hope this helps
Hi Elise
Thanks for your message.
I would put you on roughly a 149 or 150 if you were a more advanced rider. As a rule I recommend taking off 3 to 5cm for beginners. So I would say anything around a 145, 146, 147 or something like that would be best for your first board.
For the Myth either the 144cm or the 149cm would work ok
For the Tesla I’d go with the 148cm
For the Lotus that would be the 146cm
I think it’s a great move to start with a beginner deck. It will help you improve much faster.
For bindings check out my top 5 beginner bindings at the link below. If you want more info on bindings after going through that just let me know and I’d be happy to answer any questions.
~ My Top 5 Women’s Beginner Bindings (scroll down past the top 5 men’s bindings to get to the women’s section)
Hi Nate,
Thanks so much for the advice!
I’m definitely thinking the Rossi Myth, would you recommend the 144 or 149 for me? As that’s the main problem I’m having to decide! 160lbs and 5’7.
Also I am heading in Spring season in Wyoming – I’m concerned there may not be as much snow and it will be icy… But not really sure as I haven’t been to that area before. If it is icier conditions, is there a board you would recommend over the Myth to gain more edging, or would it be sufficient? Just making sure I’m covering all bases!
I’ve looked into your binding recommendations and I’m thinking of geting the Burton Citizen Re Flex followed by the K2 Yeah Yeah’s. Any preference here?
And lastly snowboard boots! I’m having trouble finding some as I have really narrow feet and I’m looking for something that holds my heel down as my biggest problem seems to be my heel riding up. Do you have any recommendations here? I love the look of the 32 STM Boa, but they have a single boa system, which I’m told is problematic? Would you recommend traditional lacing, single or double boa when it comes to boots? This is the final puzzle piece and then I’m all set to go!
Thank you so much! Your advise is gold!
Elise
Hey Elies
Thanks for your message.
Definitely 149cm for the Myth for you if you go with that. I’d say the Myth is good for medium snow conditions. If you’re worried about icy conditions then the Rossignol Frenemy and the Yes Emoticon are great in icy conditions and are also great beginner decks. They do cost a bit more though. They would also be on this list if not for their price.
Either the Burton Ciztizen or K2 Yeah Yeahs would be a good choice as beginner bindings.
Yeah snowboard boots are a tricky one if you can’t try them on. The best thing is if you can try them on. If you can then check out the link below to learn how to make sure your boots fit how they should.
Snowboard Boot Sizing
If you can’t try them on then there are pros and cons between the different lacing systems.
Traditional lacing is great for adjustability and getting them to fit just right. But some people have trouble getting them tight enough. My girlfriend used to have tradtitional lace boots but always got me to tie them because she could never get them tight enough. She now uses boa.
Boa is great for getting it nice and tight but, like you say, single boa systems can’t tighten specific parts of the boot separately. Double boa removes most of this issue.
Speed lacing is great but again some people can have trouble getting them tight enough. Also you preferably want a speed lacing system that has independent systems for either tightening the upper and lower boot separately or the inner and outer boot separately. You can read more at the link below.
~ Snowboard Boot Lacing Systems
Unfortunately a lot of women’s boots are only single boa but there are definitely women’s boots with double boa – they’re just harder to come by. And usually double boa systems aren’t put on beginner boots – though in my opinion it’s just as important for beginner boots as others.
You can check out the following to see if you can find something suitable in there.
~ My top women’s beginner boots
~ My top women’s freestyle boots (can often also be good for beginners)
~ My top women’s all mountain boots
Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions
Hi Nate!
Thank you for your site and answers, they are incredibly helpful! According to your list I found Rossignol Myth Amptek 2014 for good price. But as I’m a beginner I’m not sure what size I should choose. I’m 101 lbs and 5’5”. I suppose 138 or 140 will good for me. But Rossignol Myth Amptek is only available in 136 size. As an alternative there’re 140 cm Burton Genie 2015, 142 cm K2 First Lite 2015, 138 cm Ride Rapture 2015 and 139 cm DC BIDDY 2016. What board would be the best choice for me? I’ll be very grateful for your help!
Hey Irene
Thanks for the question. I would put you on a 141cm if you were a more advanced rider but as a beginner it’s a good idea to take off 3cm to 5cm so anything from a 136 to a 139 would be the best range for your first board in my opinion – and you could probably stretch that to a 140cm but 136 to 139 would be ideal.
136 would be the shortest I would choose for you but it’s still an appropriate length so going with the Myth 136 is still an option.
For this reason I would say the 142cm First Lite is a bit long for you.
The Burton Genie is a good beginner deck and the 140cm wouldn’t be the most ideal size but definitely doable.
The Ride Rapture 138cm is probably the best size-wise so this is definitely an option.
I don’t know much about the DC Biddy but with a quick bit of research looks like it could be a good beginner deck and it’s a good size for you.
That probably didn’t narrow it down too much for you. I think you’d be fine to go with any one of those – except perhaps the First Lite just because it’s a little long. This would be my order of recommendations.
1. Ride Rapture 138cm
2. Rossignol Myth 136cm
3. Burton Genie 140cm
4. DC Biddy 139cm (4th because I don’t know that much about it)
But yeah, as I say anyone of those would suit you fine. Hope this helps
Hi!
This is a really interesting read. I’m currently learning on a dry slope in the UK and really enjoying it. We are off to Finland in early April and there will the opportunity to have a go on Snow! I was thinking about just hiring the kit but from doing a little research I can see there are some quite affordable options available. You mentioned the K2 First Lite. I have found the K2 FIRST LITE W 2014 at a great price and wondered if this would be a good beginner board? I am 5’7 and weigh 134lb what size would you recommend? I have been learning on a 140 which i’m finding fine but quite a few people have said that seems like it would be too small for me? Thanks for the info! Rae
Hey Rae
Thanks for the message. Yeah K2 First Lite definitely a great beginner deck. This would be a good choice. I agree that 140cm is too short for you. You want to go with something slightly shorter when you’re starting out but that’s too short for you even for a beginner deck.
I’d put you at about a 149 or even 150 if you were and advanced rider but I usually recommend to take off 3-5cm for beginner to intermediate riders. That would make the First Lite 146cm a really good fit for you. It will take a bit of getting used to if you are used to riding a 140cm but it will be much better after a while, in my opinion.
Hi Nate !
I’m a begginner and I’m interested in buying the Flow Silhouette or the Rossi Myth.
You rated the Rossignol Myth #1 but is the Flow Silhouette a bad choice ?
I am 5’4 and 123 Lbs. Could you tell me what lenght is good for me, please ? I thought about 144 but I’m not 100% sure.
Thank you a lot for your advice.
Sara
ps : sorry for my English, I’m French 😉
Hi Sara
Your English is fine!
The Flow Silhoutte would be a great option as a beginner deck. It’s not one that I’ve checked out before but I just did a bit of research on it and it looks like it’s well suited to the beginner. It has all the specs I would look out for in a beginner deck. Silhouette is a good choice.
144 is also a great size for you.
So, I think either the Myth 144cm or Silhouetee 144cm would both be great options for you.
Thanks for visiting
Thank you for your quick reply, it’s very nice of you !
You’re very welcome
Hi Nate! I’m a beginner (went snowboarding three times only thus far) and I’m interested in buying the Rossi Myth since it’s been getting rave reviews everywhere online. However, I’m confused as to what snowboard length I should go for. I’m a really short girl, barely 5’2 and also a bit on the heavier side. From what I’ve read, if you’re on the heavier side, you should go for a board that has more surface area, so basically a longer one. But because I’m also pretty short and it’s recommended for beginners to get a shorter board for more maneuverability, I really don’t know what length to go for. Please kindly offer some advice. Thanks!
Hi Kimmy
Thanks for your message. Your absolutely correct that the more weight the longer the board and also that you should go for a shorter board when you’re a beginner.
Without knowing your weight I can’t suggest what I think is the best size for you but if you can let me know your weight then I’ll let you know the best size. If you don’t want to comment publicly here with that information you can send me a private message. Just go to my contact page and send me a message through there.
Either that or check out my post on choosing snowboard length at the link below. There are charts in there. I suggest taking between 3 and 5 centimetres off the size in the chart if you are a beginner.
~ Choosing Snowboard Length
Hi Nate!
I love your website, it’s been SO clutch in my snowboarding journey. I have the same question as above. I’m 5’2 and about 155 lbs. I’m a super beginner, I think the longest ride I’ve done is 30 seconds, but I’ve become obsessed with snowboarding, much to the dismay of my tailbone, elbows, and knees. I will probably go a few more times this season but really want to get my own board. I was looking at the Rossignol Frenemy but then saw that you recommend the Myth for beginners. Is the Frenemy too much board for me? Also for my height, weight, beginner level, what size board would you recommend for the Myth and/or Frenemy if it’s not too much board for a newbie? I was also interested in the Burton Lexa bindings, any thoughts on those? Thanks in advance!
Hey Venessa
Thanks for your message.
I actually think the Frenemy is a pretty good beginner board. It didn’t make this list but it’s certainly suitable for a beginner and one of the better beginner decks.
For the Myth you should go with the 149cm. Ideally I’d put you on a 147 but it doesn’t come in that and the 149 should be fine.
For the Frenemy I’d go with the 147cm.
As for the Burton Lexa – these are more for the more advanced rider. I think these were be too stiff/unforgiving for you as a beginner. Check out the list of my top 5 beginner snowboard bindings at the list below.
~ My Top 5 Womens Beginner Snowboard Bindings (scroll down for the womens top 5)
You don’t have to go with one of these but I wouldn’t go with the Lexa’s just yet. If you are looking at Burton and want something a step up from the Citizen and Stiletto I’d go with the Escapade before the Lexa.
Hope this helps,
Nate
Thanks Nate! I just bought the Burton Citizen’s today after reading your awesome and hilarious review of them. 😉 Thanks for your advice on sizing and I’m happy to know I can do the Frenemy Board! I’m so happy I stumbled across your site and thanks again for all your help!
Hey Vanessa
You’re very welcome. Hope your gear goes well and hope you have an awesome season!
Hi! It’s me again! Haha, okay so I think I have it narrowed down to 3 boards finally, the Rossi Myth 149, Rossi Frenemy 147, or K2 First Lite 146. Out of all of these, which do you think would be the best board to get? Like I said I’m a super beginner that’s truly fallen in love with sport. I want to spend a few seasons getting better and better, take more lessons, and ride as much as I can during the season. My main goal at this point is to be able to do runs without falling. I don’t know that I need to hardcore shred or do any super sweet jumps or rails anytime soon. If I could just not fall the entire way down the mountain I’d be happy! I also want something that I can progress with and not get sick of once I manage the impossible feat of riding. I don’t mind making an initial investment now, if it’s a good board that I can use for a few years to come. I will probably ride 10+ times a season and I live in Southern California so the slopes tend to get icy around this time of year. I’m down to travel though and can see myself planning trips just around snowboarding in the future, since I’m pretty limited here. I’m really torn between these 3 boards and I just don’t really know enough at this point to make a solid decision. Plus it’s not like these things are cheap, so I don’t want to choose wrong. Any help/thoughts would be so appreciated. Thanks again so much Nate! I seriously appreciate all your help.
Hey Vanessa – so awesome to hear your enthusiasm for snowboarding!
Honestly I think anyone of these 3 would work. But if I had to choose one for you and you’re willing to invest then I’d go with the Frenemy. It’s going to be a great beginner board but also progress well as an intermediate deck. It didn’t make this list because of it’s cost but otherwise it’s a great beginner deck. It will also have the best edge-hold (more grippy edges so will grip better in ice) than the other two.
But yeah totally any of these would work well. But my order would be, because you’re willing to invest a bit more now – Frenemy first then Myth then First Lite.
Hope this helps your decision. Enjoy those slopes and give me an update on which board you choose and your progression.
Hey Nate!
It’s me again! (you’re shocked aren’t you!) First of all thanks so much for your response! Second of all, I went snowboarding today (with a rented board) and made it all the way down the mountain without falling!!!! I’m on cloud 9. I had the best time ever today! I still have a lot of work to do where my toe edge is concerned, but I’m feeling so great about my runs today that I’m not going to be too hard on myself 😉
After having a few conversations with some fellow snowboarding friends and talking to them about boards, they all recommended and were fans of either Never Summer or Arbor boards. I’m definitely to the point where I’m willing to invest in my board. I realize these are quite a bit pricier than the Rossi’s I was looking at, but I’m willing to pay for quality and longevity. Can you recommend any boards that might be good for me in these brands for my level? I rented a 148 today based on your 147 recommendation and it was absolutely perfect. You rock! The board I rode today was a Salomon Sabotage (which I think is a guys board, but whatever.) I think it’s like a 6 flex and it was a true twin board with flat out camber. That’s all I could really find out about it. Anyway if that helps at all. It was a pretty nice ride. I feel like I’m back to square one though on my board choice. Ha! Sorry! Have I told you, you’re the best lately?
Hi again!
Congrats for making it down! Great work. I had the most trouble on my toe edge when starting out too.
I definitely rate Never Summer and Arbor. They’re certainly not the only good brands but they are 2 of the better ones in my opinion. They’re certainly not your only options but if you do want to go with one of those then I’d go with the Never Summer Onyx – this should be a good board to learn on, not perfect but pretty good, and is just an awesome board in general for when you become more advanced.
I would go with either the 146 or 149.
Let me know if you want any other recommendations. Keep up the good work on the slopes!
Hey Nate!
I’m totally open to suggestions! What other options do you think might be a good fit for me? I’d love to check them out! 🙂
I think the following would be great options if you are looking to invest in quality but still want something that will be good to learn on. The list above are still good options but they do take price into account for their scores.
The list below includes the options that we’ve already discussed because I think everything we’ve looked at so far are still really good options for you. I’ve just added a few others to the list. I haven’t included too many because we don’t want too many options or it gets too confusing!
~ Rossignol Myth
~ Rossignol Frenemy
~ Never Summer Onyx
~ Never Summer Infinity
~ Arbor Swoon
~ YES Emoticon
~ GNU Ladies Choice
Awesome! Thanks so much Nate, I’ll research these and let you know what I decide, hopefully this week, I’ve got a Mammoth trip in the works! 😉 Thanks again for all your help with this!
You’re very welcome Vanessa!
Definitely let me know what you decide. Have an awesome trip to Mammoth!
Hey Nate! I found a killer almost too good of a deal to pass up on the Never Summer Aura. What are your thoughts on that board for me? Too much?
Hey Vanessa
I want to be able to tell you to go for it since you’ve found a good deal on it – but I’m concerned that this board is too advanced for you at this stage and will make your learning curve more difficult.
One idea could be to buy the Aura for further down the line when you are more advanced and get something else for learning on now?? That might be too much of an investment for you at this point but is one option.
I was thinking the same thing, but didn’t know if that was something that people do, have more than one board, haha, glad to know it’s an option and not a rediculous idea, I just might do that! Leaning towards the Infinity or Frenemy to start and the Aura for down the road. 😉 Thanks Nate! I have some final decision making to do!
Hey Vanessa
Yeah people often have more than one board – for example you might have a different board for riding the park and for riding the backcountry.
I would maybe go with the Onyx over the infinity or another more freestyle/park oriented board. That way down the track if you get into freestyle riding you’ll have a deck for freestyle riding and one for everything else (the Aura). A lot of (but not all) Freestyle decks are also pretty good to learn on (you don’t have to ride freestyle on them).
And if you don’t end up riding freestyle or decide to get a different deck for freestyle, then you can always sell it and just ride the Aura.
The reason I would recommend the Onyx over the Infinity for this reason is that the Onyx is better for freestyle/park riding.
Nate, you seriously rock! Thanks so much for all your help on this, I would have been so lost without you! And the winner is….drum roll please…The Frenemy! I feel so confident in my board set up now (The Frenemy/Citizen) and like I’m all set for the future (Aura/Escapade). Thanks for helping me make my choices and working with me to weigh every option. Hugs! I’ll check in and let you know how it’s going! Thanks again for everything. 🙂
Ps. Is it weird that all my snowboarding friends know you by name now? “Let me see what Nate says about that…” Ha!!!
That’s not weird, that’s awesome!
And good work making a decision!
Definitely update me with your progress.
Also, will my Citizen bindings be too soft for the Aura, will I need to get something more like the Escapade bindings for that board? Also the fact that the Aura is Rocker in the middle and Camber on the outside, should I get the Infinity as my beginner board so I am more familiar with that type of ride? I believe the Frenemy is the opposite, it has the Rocker on the edges and Camber in the middle. Does that even matter? The reviews seem to say the Frenemy is a bit more stable because of this and the Infinity can get a little squirrley. Haha, as you can tell, I tend to over-think things! 😉 I found a great price on the Infinity and the Frenemy, so I’m ready to pull the trigger! Also the Aura is on it’s way!
Hey
Nice work on getting the Aura!
In my opinion the Escapade’s are a great choice of bindings for riding any kind of board. The Citizen won’t be a great match for the Aura – they would be a bit soft – but the Citizen is a better binding to learn on. The Escapade’s would be a great step up from the Citizen once you are through that beginner phase. They would also not be terrible to learn on since they are great at adapting to the board but still not quite as good a starter binding as the Citizen.
I definitely get the idea of going for a board with the same type of Camber Profile so that you are used to it. The only thing is that, as you say, with Rocker underfoot it can get a bit squirrely. That’s why I usually recommend a board with Camber or flat underfoot and rocker towards the tip and tail for beginners. The Hybrid Rocker profile of the Aura (and the Infinity) will be more difficult to learn on – so I guess you have to weigh that up with having something that you’re used to leading into the Aura.
As I mentioned in my other post I would go with the Onyx over the Infinity – just so you’ve got a different style of board for further down the right in case you want to keep it rather than selling it but that’s up to you of course.
The Frenemy will be more stable because of its Hybrid Camber shape (camber underfoot and rocker towards tip and tail) – it will be better for learning on than the NS Decks in my opinion. But you can definitely learn on the NS’s. I would decide between the Onyx and the Frenemy as your first board. There are pros and cons to both. But if you do go NS I’d go Onyx rather than Infinity – except that maybe you can’t find the Onyx cheap?
Anyway those are my thoughts. I totally get over-thinking these things but it’s better to over think than under think so that you can get the best setup!
Hi Nate! I went for it. It was only available in 149 and 139. I got the 149! All the reviews I read in addition to yours were so stellar, I figured that since I rode a 149 rental board, the experience on the Myth will only be better! Lots of beginner riders remarking that it’s such a great board to learn on! Hope so! Thank you for your advice and wisdom. I’ll update when I get on the mountain with it. This site is TOTALLY AWESOME by the way!! -Kelly
Thanks Kelly!
Great move in my opinion. Yeah definitely let me know how it goes once you’ve taken it for a ride
Hi Nate! I was recently in Utah. Went Snowboarding and LOVED it! I am 5’7″ and 122 lbs. My rental was 149cm. Should I stick with that size deck?
Thank you!!
Also, looking at the Rossignol Myth since you rated it #1 for a Women/Beginner Smowboarder.
Hey Kelly
Welcome to the snowboarding addiction!
Usually I would put you on more of a 148 and then take off a couple of cms (it’s easier for beginners to learn on slightly smaller decks) which would be more like 144 to 146cm. However, if you felt you were comfortable on the 149cm then this might be fine for you. The Myth would be a great deck for you. It would just be a choice between the 144 and the 149.
Hey Nate!
Thank you so much!! If you think the 144 would be good, I think I’m going to look for the Myth in that size. I really want to improve my S turns to carve down the hill. Sounds like the 144 would be the best board length for me (in the Myth) to have fun and improve as well. I’m stoked to get my own board! I really appreciate your advice!
One more thing though. I just saw the Myth Deck on sale for $149.00 for a 149 length. Wow! Seems like a great deal. I’m thinking hard on it since I rode the 149 Rental at Sundance.
Thank you again for your words of wisdom!
You’re very welcome. Glad to help.
That is a great deal for the Myth. Definitely a choice to make – the great deal on the slightly longer board or the shorter length but paying more (I’m assuming they don’t have the 144 on sale).
Let me know what you decide.
Hi nate!
Sorry about the name typo. So I was also shown a few other boards the Capita birds of a feather which they keep saying is a really great board and also the Salomon Wonder. I was leaning more towards the Nitro Mystique but was feeling like it might be a little loose the representative ensures me that’s it’s not. Now I’m looking at the Capita birds of a feather board. Too many decisions. Thank you!
Hey Melissa
Yeah buying new gear is great but there are always heaps of options to go through. I don’t much about the Salomon Wonder but I think the Capita Birds of a Feather might be slightly too aggressive for your level at this point. It’s a great board but maybe not the best for the next step. Just my opinion though. Out of those two I would say the Wonder is the better choice for you for now.
Hi nate, thanks for all the great info! It’s very much appreciated. Well I have it narrowed down to Mystique and the Capita. What do you mean by too aggressive? Harder to control? The Mystique I think is very similar to the Never Summer Oynx I think. I’m just afraid if I go with a rocker between the feet I might end up like I am now riding just rocker. But maybe I’ll end up liking it because my rocker has no camber at all.
Yes, the capita had really great reviews. I watched all the videos on YouTube and read lots of reviews. One of the reviews the girl had been riding rocker like me also and bought this board -and went back to a stable ride. It’s a tough one. I found they don’t demo boards here in my size only 145 and up.
Thanks!
Hey – yeah since you’ve been riding continuous rocker the mystique will definitely feel more stable.
What I mean by more aggressive is mostly that it’s stiffer and designed to be ridden steep and fast. Boards like that are often more difficult to control and are for more advanced riders.
I would go with the Mystique
Hi nath! Thank you so much! Actually looking at the Burton talent scout and the mystique nitro! Both look really good. Now I’m stuck between the the two. Looks like the mystique may have a little more of a rocker?
You’re very welcome!
I don’t know too much about either of those boards but from a quick bit of research looks like the Mistique has rocker between the feet and camber towards the tip/tail and the Talent Scout has camber between the feet and flat sections towards the tip/tail.
Hi Nate!
I am so happy I found your website! I bought my snowboard quite sometime ago before I knew about the hybrid camber. My snowboard has a continuous rocker it’s a burton social board 2011 which is for freestyle. I would say I’m an intermediate snow boarder although I can’t nail down not falling off the lift which makes me think I’m a beginner. I took my board to the ski shop and he said it was because my camber is a rocker why I can’t balance correctly and fall off the lift each time. It’s hit or miss but I can turn and travel through the park just fine.
So now I’ve been shopping for board and was about to buy the sugar banana board until I stumbled upon your site. I was about to buy the 138 but think I’m more of a 142. I am 5’2 and 113 lbs. should I pass up the banana? Because I was also looking at the burton Flying V or the gnu b nice.
In addition, my board is set up as regular and I notice that when I ride I head out left front first but then for some reason when u ride straight I switch to right front first when my left in back. Now I’m not sure if I’m regular or goofy or maybe I just ride both? Any help is appreciated thanks!
Hey Melissa
Thanks for your message. Getting off the lift is often one thing that snowboarders have trouble with (lifts are designed for skiers afterall) – even after they become a pretty decent rider on the slopes. Certainly a continuous rocker profile won’t help with this either. Check out the post below for some tips for getting off the lift more smoothly.
~ Getting Off The Lift On A Snowboard More Smoothly
I agree that something around a 141 or 142 is a better size for you. I’m not sure that the Sugar Banana is the right board for you though if you are looking for more stability. The Sugar Banana still has a rocker under the feet and really just has some flat sections towards the tip and tail. For the most stable ride and one that’s still easy to turn I’d recommend something with a “hybrid camber” profile (camber between the feet and rocker towards tip and tail) or a “flat-to-rocker” (flat between the feet and rocker towards tip and tail). The Sugar Banana has what I’d call a “hybrid rocker” profile – as does the flying V and the B-nice.
As you’re an intermediate rider it’s not completely necessary that you go with one of these profiles but I think if you’re looking for that stability that you might enjoy riding with one of those profiles. All of the boards on this post have either a “hybrid camber” or “flat-to-rocker” profile. But since you’re not strictly a beginner I’d also check out the links below for some all-mountain and all-mountain-freestyle options. These will have varying camber profiles so you’ll need to check them but these could be some good options for you. If you like to ride in the park and also the trails then all-mountain-freestyle might be a good way to go for you.
~ My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards
~ My Top 6 All-mountain snowboards
Hope this helps – let me know if you have any other questions or want to narrow down your options further
Thank you so much for your help!
You’re very welcome!
Hi Nate,
Thanks for your wonderful websites that I was able to learn all about snowboards. Please do keep it up.
I am about 5’3″ and 118 lbs, just started learning snowboard last season and really like it! I bought my shoes (thirty two size 7.5) and would like to buy binding and the board as well since we live in a state where there is only 1 snowboard place and their rental board is quite like a piece of junk to be honest. I learned to snowboard in Whistler so I was quite spoiled with their good rental board and attentive service to match you with the board. I am looking at the GNU B-Nice board, do you think that would be a good buy? I am a real beginner still learning to link the turn and would like to excel to catch up with my husband. I like the Rossignol boards you recommended as well but not sure if 139cm would be too short for me. I am very tempted to buy the Burton Peanut series since they are so cute!! Are they good for beginners?
My husband is 6′ and around 185 – 190 lbs. He bought the 2015 Thirty Two Crab Grab Lashed boots size 13 and the Crab Grab binding size L/XL. He can link turn very well and have no intention on learning to ride in the park. Can you suggest a board for him? I know we might have done this backward by buying the shoes and binding first but he really liked the 2015 crab grab designs…
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi Angie
Thanks for your message.
The GNU B-nice is rated as a beginner board but I don’t personally consider it the best beginner board. It has quite a loose feel to it. A more stable feel underfoot is better for beginners in my opinion. It also has camber sections towards the tip and tail which can make it easier to catch an edge.
For you I would put you on a board length anywhere from 139cm to 142cm board. And eventually you’ll want to go to around a 144cm. The reason you want to start out shorter is that a shorter board is easier for a beginner to learn on.
I’m not familiar with the Burton Peanut unfortunately but from what I just looked up it looks like it could be ok as a beginner deck.
You could also check out the link below. It has the 5 boards on this post plus an extra 5. Scroll down to check out the women’s boards.
~ Beginner Snowboard Catalogue
Also check out the link below for some ideas for bindings.
~ My Top 5 Women’s Beginner Snowboard Bindings
Your husband sounds like he’s more advanced. I’d put him on a 160cm – 162cm for length. And also he should get a wide board. Since he’s not interested in the park you probably want to look at an all-mountain board. You can check out my top 10 men’s all mountain boards at the link below.
~Top 10 Men’s All-Mountain Snowboards
Hope this helps
Hi! We are looking to buy my 16-year-old daughter a snowboard for Christmas. Saw your article on what to look for in beginner boards and found it very helpful, but it was still a lot to sift through since I am neither a skier nor well versed in the boarder lingo! 🙂 She is an intermediate to advanced beginner and not a natural athlete, but loves to board. We live in New England and she is not into learning to do tricks, bumps etc., just basic riding the lift and going down the groomed and often icy (blue/green) trails. She’s not worried about going super fast and is a lefty/goofy (if that is relevant, I don’t know). Our local store suggested the 2014 Arbor Poparazzi (Clearance $240) for her. Length 147. She is 5’4″ and 115 lbs. what do you think about this board choice? Would she be better off with one of your top 5 recommended beginner boards and if so can I look for used older versions of those boards to save a little $$. Also, it gets confusing to me when her weight range falls into 2-3 of the size catagories. I get that shorter boards will be easier to maneuver, but at what point is a board just too short even though your weight fits the range? Thanks! Sarah
Hi Sarah
I think the 147 wouldn’t be too bad. I’d have her on a 144 or 145 ideally but a 147 wouldn’t be un-rideable. If she was a complete beginner I would recommend something shorter like a 140, 141 or 142. But since you say she is more intermediate to advanced then longer should be fine. I’d prefer to see her on a 145 or 144 but 147 isn’t a no goer.
As far as the Poparazzi goes this would be ok as a beginners board. But since your daughter isn’t a complete beginner it would be fine.
All of the boards in this list would also be suitable as they are all fine for intermediate riders.
Try the following links to see if you can find older models of these.
Past Model Womens Snowboards at evo.com
Past Model Womens Snowboards at the-house.com
Hope this helps. Let me know if you’d like me to narrow down what I think would be the best board for her and let me know your budget and I’d be happy to look into it further
Hey there! Thanks for posting! I am 5’6” 148 lb and I found a rapture 151 cm on sale and am slightly confused, bc on one page it looks like that size would be right for me according to the chart, but then on this page it doesn’t. I am just learning, been on the soaps like 3 x. I notice when looking at, say, the gala and the rapture you have different lengths for weight. How do you get that calculation??
Thanks so much!!!
-Amy
Hey Amy
Thanks for your message.
The weight range recommendations come from the manufacturer. So in the case of the Rapture it is Ride’s weight recommendations. These will differ depending on a number of different factors like flex and the materuals used in construction. These are always slightly different between brands too.
These are just guidelines and I think you’d be fine on the Rapture 151cm.
Also because you are a beginner it might be a good idea to get something slightly shorter – shorter boards are easier to manoeuvre for beginners. For your height and weight I’d put you on a “standard length” of 152cm. For a beginner I would go at least slightly shorter and up to 5cm shorter. So the Rapture 151 should be good for you – but also something like the Rossignol Myth 149cm, Rossignol Terla 148cm or K2 First Lite 150cm would also be good fits.
But if you’ve found a good price on the Rapture then by all means this is a great choice.
Hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions
Thia is a very useful review. My step daughter has been talking about getting into snowboarding and her birthday is coming up soon. I was thinking about buying her a snowboard but didn’t even know where to start until I found your site. Looks like she’s gonna be getting a K2 First Lite. Thanks for the help and making up my mind for me.
Hey Eoinmc – glad I could be of service!
The K2 First Lite is going to be the perfect first board for your step daughter and should really help her to progress quickly.
Great information on snowboards! I’ve always wanted to do this. And now with this information you have for me I can go out and buy my first board! I hope I don’t break my face! 🙂 I’m a beginner so if you will, leave a reply as to what you suggest for me. I’m 57, 5’7 and weigh 180.
I’m old but just last year I was doing cage fighting and working out with boxers as well. So don’t let the age fool you!
Great website!
Rick
Hey Rick – thanks so much for stopping by – it’s never to late to start snowboarding if you’re in good shape as it definitely sounds like you are!
At 5’7 and 180lbs I would put you on a 157 if you were more experienced but a smaller board is better for a beginner so I’d say anything between a 152cm and 156cm for length. Check this out for more on length.
The Rome Tour 156cm board would be a good fit – a great beginner board (check out the my top 5 beginner boards for men here). On the long side for you as a beginner but you would fit within the weight range that the board is designed for well. Some of the other options in that list would be unsuitable for a 180lb rider in the 153 to 156 length range. I think that would be the best bet for you.
Been doing some research and still unsure what board to get. I’m beginner but have been getting better at boarding. I’ve tried the Burton and really liked it, but have also heard great reviews about Rossignol; and I fell in love with the reviews & looks of the Rossignol Gala, so was considering of getting one. I’m currently 5’3”, 160lbs, size 9.5 in women’s. I keep getting mixed reviews on board & size, so I’m confused. Any suggestions?
Hi Anna
Thanks for your message.
As a beginner, I would be looking at something between 147cm and 149cm. So for the Gala that would be the 146 or 150. But I would be leaning towards the 150, partly because you are an improving beginner, and partly because the little bit of extra width will be good with 9.5s. In terms of width, the Gala would be pushing it being too narrow, even in the 150. But if you have binding angles with a reasonable amount of angle on the back binding (e.g. +15/-15), then it should be OK.
For the Burtons (not sure if you tried the Stylus or Hideaway, so I’ll mention both):
Stylus: 147cm
Hideaway: 148cm
For both of those options, the widths are better, IMO. A safer bet width-wise, and would mean you wouldn’t have to think about binding angles. Also, since you’ve tried one of those, and know that you really like it, that also makes it a safer choice. So, whilst you might get away with the Gala, I think in this case the Burton would be the better option for those reasons.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate
Love your reviews!… I’m an intermediate rider from NZ. I haven’t done a lot of riding for years but son now at uni in ski town so hoping to get a lot in over the next couple of years. Went last year for a day and managed the intermediate and a couple of black runs. At 45 don’t imagine going hard out in park, just stick to cruising groomers which over here can be a bit icy, and a few butters and mogul jumps.
Have just managed to finally find some boots that fit my impossible feet ( Thirty two boa size US 9).. now looking for a board. Have my heart set on the yes emoticon which I based on your reviews but only stock up to 149cm over here. I’m 5,6”(168cm) and 62-64kg depending on time of day. Based on sizing calculators and the traditional measurement on YES , all suggest I should be looking at around 150-152…. would a 149 be too small ?… and what bindings for my feet would suit?. Want a board that can stay with me as I improve ( even at my age)..and it seemed to fit the bill but recommendations for longer board if wanting speed seem to fit with how I will probably be using it…
Hope you can help
Cheers
Janine
Hi Janine
Thanks for your message.
Sounds like the Emoticon would certainly work for what you’re describing. And I actually think the 149 is probably the best size for your specs. You could go 152 but I think 149 is actually slightly better for you. Assuming a Women’s US9 (men’s and women’s US sizes are different), then the width should be fine too. It’s probably as narrow as you’d want to go, but should be OK.
If you were wanting more options to look at though, then I would check out the following, which would be probably more suited to your situation over the boards in this one:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
Hope this helps