Hello and welcome to my list of the best all mountain snowboards for women. This has now been updated for the 2023-2024 season.
As per tradition here at SnowboardingProfiles.com each board will be given a score out of 100 for easier comparison.
Of the 24 women's all mountain boards that I rated:
Note that his list has increased from a top 6 to a top 10 this year (2023-2024) as we've tested enough boards now that it warrants 10.
O.k. let’s get into the top 10!
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ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #10
Board: capita paradise
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CA
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UK/EU
IS THIS GEAR RIGHT FOR YOU?
Flex: Medium (4.5/10)
Feel: stable and on the playful side
Smart rating score: 84.3/100
Starting off the list at #10, we have Capita's Paradise.
The Paradise is one of the most playful options on this list, so if you like you're riding more casual cruising but also like to throw in a few tricks, sidehits etc, then the Paradise might be your kind of board.
Also a great option for those who are lower level intermediate riders looking to progress.
Learn more about the Paradise in the video below
Score Breakdown for the Paradise
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
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POWDER | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
CARVING | 3.0 | 6/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPEED | 2.5 | 5/10 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 3.0 | 6/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SWITCH | 3.5 | 7/10 |
JUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPINS | 4.0 | 4/5 |
BUTTERS | 4.0 | 4/5 |
JIBBING | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 84.3/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #9
Board: Arbor Swoon Camber
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CA
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UK/EU
IS THIS GEAR RIGHT FOR YOU?
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Feel: Semi-Locked in and semi-aggressive
Smart rating score: 84.3/100
One of the more aggressive boards on this list (see end of list for an order of most aggressive to most playful), the Swoon Camber prefers to be ridden fast and carved, rather than slow with slashes. However, it's not so aggressive that you can't slow it down and slash around, when you feel for it.
If you like the feel of camber (but a little more forgiving than full traditional camber), and want to be able to carve and charge hard (and either don't get much powder, have another board for powder), then the Swoon camber might be just what you're after.
Note that there is also a rocker version of the Swoon, which has a different personality and its own strengths and weaknesses. I have included the score breakdowns for both versions below, so you can check the relative strengths and weaknesses for each.
Score Breakdown for the Swoon Camber
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
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POWDER | 2.5 | 7.5/15 |
CARVING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SPEED | 4.0 | 8/10 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 3.5 | 7/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SWITCH | 4.0 | 8/10 |
JUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPINS | 4.0 | 4/5 |
BUTTERS | 3.0 | 3/5 |
JIBBING | 2.5 | 2.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 84.3/100 |
Score Breakdown for the Swoon Rocker
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
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POWDER | 3.0 | 9/15 |
CARVING | 3.0 | 6/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPEED | 3.5 | 7/10 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 3.5 | 7/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SWITCH | 4.0 | 8/10 |
JUMPS | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SPINS | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
BUTTERS | 3.0 | 3/5 |
JIBBING | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 83.7/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #8
Board: Jones Airheart 2.0
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CA
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UK/EU
IS THIS GEAR RIGHT FOR YOU?
Flex: Medium-Stiff (7/10)
Feel: Semi-Locked in and semi-aggressive
Rating: 84.3/100
Next up we have the Airheart 2.0 - another of the more aggressive boards on this list. If you like to charge hard and carve all day but still want something that's not impossible to slow down on, then the Airheart is a great option.
It's a hard charger, but it's also something that performs well on jumps and you can certainly ride it switch and spin etc. In the park it definitely prefers the jump line over the jib line though.
Score Breakdown for the Airheart 2.0
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
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POWDER | 2.5 | 7.5/15 |
CARVING | 4.5 | 9/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SPEED | 4.5 | 9/10 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 4.0 | 8/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 3.0 | 6/10 |
SWITCH | 3.5 | 7/10 |
JUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPINS | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
BUTTERS | 2.5 | 2.5/5 |
JIBBING | 2.5 | 2.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 84.3/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #7
Board: jones dream weaver
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CA
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UK/EU
IS THIS GEAR RIGHT FOR YOU?
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Feel: STABLE AND RIGHT IN BETWEEN AGGRESSIVE AND PLAYFUL
Smart rating score: 84.9/100
In at #7, we have Jones' Dream Weaver. A little more directional than most on this list, the Dream Weaver leans more on the freeride end of the all-mountain spectrum and is especially good in powder.
But an all-mountain board needs to be more than a one trick pony, and the Dream Weaver is certainly more than that. It is a very versatile board and something that's pretty easy going but you can still charge with it to an extent.
Score Breakdown for the Dream Weaver
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
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POWDER | 4.0 | 12/15 |
CARVING | 3.5 | 7/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPEED | 3.5 | 7/10 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 3.5 | 7/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SWITCH | 3.0 | 6/10 |
JUMPS | 3.0 | 6/10 |
SPINS | 3.0 | 3/5 |
BUTTERS | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
JIBBING | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 84.9/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #6
Board: rome muse
IS THIS GEAR RIGHT FOR YOU?
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US
IS THIS GEAR RIGHT FOR YOU?
Flex: Medium bordering on mid-stiff (6.5/10)
Feel: Semi-Locked in and semi-aggressive
Smart rating score: 85.5/100
The Rome Muse, in our #6 position, is a board that loves to carve and bomb. It's one of the stiffer, less forgiving boards on this list. So, if you're a more advanced rider and looking for something that can take whatever you throw at it, the Muse will respond in kind.
It's still not so burly that it sucks to ride slow or anything. But it is at it's best with a bit of speed under it.
Score Breakdown for the Muse
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
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POWDER | 3.0 | 9/15 |
CARVING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SPEED | 4.0 | 8/10 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 4.0 | 8/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SWITCH | 4.0 | 8/10 |
JUMPS | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SPINS | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
BUTTERS | 3.0 | 3/5 |
JIBBING | 2.5 | 2.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 85.5/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #5
Board: YES Hello
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CA
IS THIS GEAR RIGHT FOR YOU?
Flex: Medium (4.5/10)
Feel: Stable but playful
Smart rating score: 86.1/100
The YES Hello is kind of like a mellower and lower price version of the Hel Yes (see #2 on this list).
If you like you like a board slightly only the softer, more playful side, but still with a stable feel underfoot and something that's versatile enough to go anywhere and do anything, the Hello should be making your shortlist.
It's the easiest going, most playful ride on this list - and also one of the lowest priced.
Score Breakdown for the Hello
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
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POWDER | 3.0 | 9/15 |
CARVING | 3.0 | 6/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 4.5 | 9/10 |
SPEED | 3.0 | 6/10 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 3.0 | 6/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 4.5 | 9/10 |
SWITCH | 3.5 | 7/10 |
JUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPINS | 4.0 | 4/5 |
BUTTERS | 4.5 | 4.5/5 |
JIBBING | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 86.1/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #4
Board: Burton Feelgood (camber)
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US
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CA
IS THIS GEAR RIGHT FOR YOU?
Flex: Medium-stiff (7/10)
Feel: Locked in and aggressive
Rating: 86.1/100
The Burton Feelgood is the most aggressive board on this list. If I did a separate list for aggressive all-mountain women's boards, then that's where this would belong (along with the Airheart 2.0 (#8), Muse (#6) and Swoon Camber (#9).
The Feelgood is one of the more aggressive carving machines in women's snowboarding and has a take no prisoners attitude. If you don't take control of this board, it will take control of you.
If you're an experienced rider who likes to bomb hard and carve up a storm, and you don't need something for deep powder, then the Feelgood should be squarely on your radar.
There is also a "Flying V" version of the Feelgood - which is a completely different beast - it's softer and more playful and has quite different strengths and weakness to the Feelgood camber. I have included the scores for both below - you'll see how different they ride.
Score Breakdown for the Feelgood
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
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POWDER | 2.5 | 7.5/15 |
CARVING | 4.5 | 9/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SPEED | 4.5 | 9/10 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 4.5 | 9/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 3.5 | 7/10 |
SWITCH | 3.5 | 7/10 |
JUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPINS | 3.0 | 3/5 |
BUTTERS | 2.5 | 2.5/5 |
JIBBING | 2.5 | 2.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 86.1/100 |
Score Breakdown for the Flying V
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
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POWDER | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
CARVING | 3.0 | 6/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPEED | 3.0 | 6/10 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 3.0 | 6/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SWITCH | 3.5 | 7/10 |
JUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPINS | 4.0 | 4/5 |
BUTTERS | 4.0 | 4/5 |
JIBBING | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 84.9/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #3
Board: Jones Twin Sister
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US
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CA
IS THIS GEAR RIGHT FOR YOU?
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Feel: Stable and right in between aggressive and playful
Rating: 89.2/100
In at #3 we have the Jones Twin Sister!
If you’re looking for a board that is strong, or at least above average in every single category, then the Twin Sister might just be that board.
This board will be a great partner on the mountain wherever you venture to and in whatever style you want to ride – be it a playful jaunt down the mountain, creative freestyle riding, laying down some hard carves, bombing down steeps, shredding through the trees or venturing into powder.
Basically, if you wanted to write a definition of "do-it-all" you'd simply have to show a picture of the Twin Sister.
Score Breakdown for the Twin Sister
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
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POWDER | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
CARVING | 3.5 | 7/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPEED | 3.5 | 7/10 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 4.0 | 8/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SWITCH | 3.5 | 7/10 |
JUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPINS | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
BUTTERS | 4.0 | 4/5 |
JIBBING | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 89.2/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #2
Board: Yes Hel YES
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CA
IS THIS GEAR RIGHT FOR YOU?
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Feel: STABLE AND RIGHT IN BETWEEN AGGRESSIVE AND PLAYFUL
Smart rating score: 89.8/100
* HARD/ICY SNOW OPTION
In the penultimate #2 spot, we have the YES Hel Yes.
The Hel Yes is one of those boards that has that uncanny ability as a board that you can ride quite aggressively on but then you can also dial it back and be more playful with it as well.
There's nothing this board can't do well and nowhere that it can't go confidently. An all-rounder that meets the definition of do-it-all, go anywhere, anytime. It's also a great option for those that see icy conditions regularly.
Score Breakdown for the Hel Yes
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
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POWDER | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
CARVING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPEED | 3.5 | 7/10 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 3.5 | 7/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SWITCH | 3.5 | 7/10 |
JUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPINS | 4.0 | 4/5 |
BUTTERS | 4.0 | 4/5 |
JIBBING | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 89.8/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOARD #1
Board: bataleon thunderstorm
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CA
IS THIS GEAR RIGHT FOR YOU?
Flex: Medium (5.5/10)
Feel: STABLE AND RIGHT IN BETWEEN AGGRESSIVE AND PLAYFUL
Smart rating score: 91.0/100
And finally at #1, we have Bataleon's Thunderstorm. The Thunderstorm is new for 2024 and is the love child of 2023's Men's Thunder and Women's Storm. It's truly unisex sizing means there's a good rang of sizes for a large range of riders.
This board has some serious x-factor and doesn't disappoint wherever you ride and in whatever style you want to ride in.
And, remarkably, it's actually the lowest priced board on this list!
Score Breakdown for the Thunderstorm
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
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POWDER | 4.0 | 12/15 |
CARVING | 3.5 | 7/10 |
TURNS/SLASHING | 4.5 | 9/10 |
SPEED | 3.5 | 7/10 |
CRUD/CHUNDER | 3.5 | 7/10 |
TREES/BUMPS | 4.5 | 9/10 |
SWITCH | 3.0 | 6/10 |
JUMPS | 4.0 | 8/10 |
SPINS | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
BUTTERS | 4.0 | 4/5 |
JIBBING | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 91.0/100 |
Aggressive/Playful for this list
Just quickly, the order of most aggressive to most playful on this list, in case that’s a factor in your decision, is:
1. Burton Feelgood (most aggressive)
2. Jones Airheart 2.0 (more aggressive)
3. Arbor Swoon Camber (more aggressive)
4. Rome Muse (more aggressive)
5. Yes Hel Yes (in the middle but a touch more aggressive than the Twin Sister)
6. Jones Twin Sister (in the middle)
7. Bataleon Thunderstorm/Jones Dream Weaver (in the middle but a touch more playful than Twin Sister)
8. Arbor Swoon Rocker/Burton Feelgood Flying V (just on the playful side of middle)
9. Capita Paradise (more playful)
10 YES Hello (more playful)
Thanks for Checking Out the List
There you have my list for the top 10 all mountain snowboards for women. Thanks for reading and I hope this list was helpful for you.
To learn more about each board check out the links under each heading.
Erin says
Hi Nate!
Just stumbled across your reviews and they are super helpful! Just looking for some more specific advice for myself 🙂
I’ve been riding for 3 winters now, in Southwestern Ontario, so typically pretty firm/icy conditions, with one trip a year out West for some real snow/powder. I am not into park or tricks, etc, more casual, groomers, and powder/trees when lucky enough but I’d like to learn switch for convenience. I’d put myself at low-med intermediate rider.
My first board I purchased, after renting the first year, was a Burton Feelgood, 152cm, but I’m feeling like I bit off a bit more than I can chew with that one so am looking for something I can take a slight step back with and have a bit more fun on while progressing. The Feelgood 152cm just feels like a lot of board at the moment.
I was looking at the Jones Dreamweaver or the Yes Hello, and was wondering your opinion on the 2 boards and sizing, also open to other recommendations I may be over looking.
I’m 5’6″, 155-160lb and boots size women’s 9 (Burton Felix).
Unfortunately, either one will require new bindings as well since my current ones are EST (Lexa x) so open to suggestions on that too!
Thanks so much and for all the great content!
Nate says
Hi Erin
Thanks for your message. Both the Dreamweaver and Hello would work really well for what you’re describing, IMO. The Dreamweaver is better in powder, IMO and the Hello better in icy conditions. But the Hello isn’t bad in powder and the Dream Weaver isn’t bad in icy conditions. But just to highlight that in case one was more of a priority than the other. The Hello better for switch, but the Dreamweaver still fine for that. Given what you’re describing and with the assumption that you’ll be seeing more ice than powder, I would be leaning Hello, but both would work well for what you need, IMO, and both a lot more mellow and easy going than the Feelgood.
Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 151/152, but you could size down to the 149 on the Hello if you wanted and the 148 on the Dream Weaver, if you wanted to err smaller. But the 151/152 options would work too. And vs your 152 Feelgood would still be easier to manage. Note that going shorter will mean slightly better agility and easier turn initiation but slightly reduced powder float and reduced stability at speed. Conversely, going longer would give you slightly better float in powder and stability at speed but be a bit less agile and bit more effort on turn initiation. You should be fine width-wise, IMO, on both the 148 Dream Weaver and 149 Hello, if you chose to go a little shorter.
Hope this helps
Erin Wendt says
Yes, so helpful! Thank you! I pulled the trigger of a 151 Dream Weaver, I think it will be a good step back and hopefully down the road, I will be more comfortable back on the Feelgood.
I also ordered the Union Trilogy and Legacy bindings to check out, I’ll be returning one, but from what I’ve read on here, either would be suitable with the Dream Weaver, with the Legacy being a bit more flexible, does that still stand true? My Feelgood has Lexa X EST bindings, would the Trilogy be pretty similar to them, flex wise?
Thanks again!
Nate says
Hi Erin
Congrats on your new setup, always exciting to try something new! (well I find it exciting anyway!).
Yeah, I’d say either would be suitable with the Dream Weaver. The new Trilogy is a little softer than it used to be. The Trilogy of old was a little stiffer – and I’d say that would have been more similar to the Lexa X, but the new one is a bit softer. Closer to the Legacy. You’ll likely notice, when you twist the high-back of the Legacy that it will feel stiffer than the Trilogy (assuming you’re ordering the 23/24 Trilogy), but overall flex isn’t tied just to the highback – the baseplate stiffness and strap stiffness also contributes to overall flex.
Alisa says
Hi Nate! Thank you so much for your reviews! I had been riding since the 90s and though I think of myself as intermediate, most of the proud ride with say I’m expert and very aggressive in my style. I also stated riding on a plank of wood and all the tech stuff, while awesome is foreign to me.
I am 5 3” about 120 lb and I started with a nitro 152 men’s directional board. I’ve had sims 142 that was a noodle, a burton supermodel 148, now I’ve had a rossignol Diva ( camber hybrid) since 2010… I LOVE that board. It’s been fun, reliable, quick in turns and maybe a bit slow in the flats. Unfortunately it’s become very soft over the years. Main problem this season are the boots. I am a ride boot/binding person and mine have come apart after years. Used to be Ride Cadence 7.5 and ride vixen binding.
Ride has changed so much that nowadays I don’t even know what size fits. 7.5 gave me massive blisters and about an 1.5” of extra room. Fast forward past me arguing with the rep that their sizing had changed and there is no store in 300 mi radius tvat agrees to order Cadence boots for me to try.
I decided to go all out and try new things. So far I do love the Burton step on system. I usually ride directional in the stiffest boots and board possible, but that might be just an old habit. Long story short. Ride Jones Twin sister 143, step ons and Felix boots 6.5. -15 6. Got blisters but not as bad. The board was comparable to my Diva, but lacked any pop or excitement. Was fun on steep icy moguls, but tanked n the trees.
Today I tried CAPiTA birds of feather, that was reco from curated.com. I’m almost in tears as it was as a perfect day on the mountain ( mammoth) and I had feeling of no control doing what I normally do. Yes, it was fun doing groomers and textbook wide s turns, but It felt slow to respond even with exaggerated toe/heel movement movements and balance transfers. I rode escapades step ons and DC boots.
I am trying gnu ladies choice tomorrow..
I was going to try yes, hel yes. As well but at this point would love your suggestions! Last year I tried arobor cadence camber and was underwhelmed .
I really need a new board, but want that feeling of awesomeness. I know I can enjoy riding a flat stiff plank but really want to experience the new tech to make me a better rider.
Thanks!!
Nate says
Hi Alisa
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing, I would look at something a bit more directional and freeride oriented. I would look at our freeride list. I think pretty much anything from there, you would like, but in particular I would focus on the Barrett, Story Board and Flagship, to give you something that’s going to be able to handle when you ride hard but can also whip through trees and moguls. I think the Hel Yes is also worth trying, but I get the feeling you’re going to prefer something a little stiffer and more directional.
Can you also let me know, when you took the Twin Sister into trees, was there powder in the trees or not?
Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 144. However, given you’ve been riding so long, we do want to take into account the size you’re used to riding, so that’s just a base point. If you can also let me know the size of the Diva that you had and the size of the Birds of a Feather that you tried and also, if you remember, roughly how long you rode the 152 Nitro, 142 Sims and the 148 Supermodel. Just a rough timeline of them.
Also, we definitely want to take width into account for size suggestions. If you could also let me know your foot length. This is important in terms of creating leverage for the edges – and also I want to get an idea of whether the Twin Sister didn’t agree with you in trees, potentially because of width. It might also help with narrowing down some boot options – which we can get more into after you reply (if you’re looking at changing there as well? Or are you planning on giving the Felix more time?).
If you can get me that extra info, then we can go from there and see what sizes might be the best to look at.
Sarah says
Hi Nate,
Thanks so much for your reviews. They have been so helpful.
I’d love your input.
I’d decided on the Yes Hel Yes, but unfortunately there is no stock in Australia and I’m due to travel to Japan in 3 weeks. I’d love to upgrade my board for the trip as my current board will not cut it. So my question is… what’s next best!?
I’d say I’m an intermediate rider. Currently learning riding through trees doing side hits, switch and just all round more playful riding. I’ll probably never go into the park but prefer being playful on the runs themselves.
I like carving and having some speed however speed isn’t my focus.
I’m from Australia, so hard packed snow and some ice is not uncommon, for this reason good edge grab is of some importance. Powder is rare, but I love riding it when it’s around.
So really I need an all mountain board, slightly more playful side, I was thinking a directional twin.
I’m 5’4”, 130lb, size 6.5 boot.
Currently ride a 144 but probably need slightly bigger maybe?
Would love your recommendations on board and size.
Thanks so much
Nate says
Hi Sarah
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of sizing, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 146, so 144 isn’t too far off, IMO, and depending on the width of the board, sizing down the length a little may make sense, with 6.5s. But up to 146 should also be fine.
The YES Hello, if you have that available is like a more mellow, playful version of the Hel Yes, so that would work well for what you’re describing, IMO. The smallest size is a 146, and while that will be on the wide side for your boots, I think you should still be fine in that size, particularly given the more mellow, playful nature of it.
The Jones Twin Sister, sized to a 143, in this case, would be another really good option, IMO. The Bataleon Thunderstorm in 144 and Jones Dream Weaver in 145 would also be good bets, all be it not as easy for riding switch and the Thunderstorm not quite as good for those hard/icy conditions.
Hope this helps
Emily says
Hi Nate,
I am trying to buy my sister snowboarding gears for her birthday, she just started snowboarding last year and goes about 4-5 times a year. She usually goes to the west coast and Korea to snowboard. Recently, she managed to do S-turns. Would you be able to give me some advice to which gears I should get her? She is 159cm, 49-50kg, and shoe size 36-37.
For snowboards, I was thinking of the Jones twin sister or yes hello. I am looking for an all-mountain snowboard on the stiffer side.
For shoes, I was thinking of nidecker rift or burton ion boa. Something that is comfortable and easy to put on.
I don’t really know which bindings yet, do you have any recommendations?
Thank you so much for your help!
Nate says
Hi Emily
Thanks for your message.
If she has progressed fairly quickly, then she might be good on the Twin Sister. The YES Hello would work well (though isn’t that stiff, to be honest), but there isn’t a size, IMO, that would be suitable for her. The YES Hel Yes is stiffer than the Hello, but it’s smallest size is also a 146 – and it may be a little bit too advanced. Is there a particular reason you’re looking to go stiffer?
In terms of size, I would put her “typical all-mountain length” at around 142. As she has only started recently, you could size down from that, to make things easier, but if you wanted something that lasted long term, then you could go up to that size, but I wouldn’t go longer than that.
Some options that would work well, assuming she is roughly a high-end beginner to low-end intermediate rider:
– Never Summer Infinity 142
– Jones Dream Weaver 139 (the 142 would be wide for her boot size, IMO, so I would size down to the 139 in the case of the Dream Weaver)
– Jones Twin Sister 140
– GNU Velvet 139
– GNU Gloss 140
– Capita Paradise 141
– Bataleon Push Up 140
The Ion BOA are quite stiff boots and at your sister’s weight, they would be insanely stiff, IMO. So I would advise against that. Also it only goes down to a USMen’s 7 (which I think is an EU40 in Burton’s sizing). The Rift W could work though, all be it on the stiffer side for her weight and experience, but they are easy to put on, in our experience. I wouldn’t go stiffer than that though. For some other options, if you wanted to check any others out, check out the following:
>>My Top Women’s Beginner Boots
>>My Top Women’s Freestyle Snowboard Boots
>>My Top Women’s All-Mountain Snowboard Boots
For bindings, it would partially depend on which board you went with. If something like the Twin Sister, Dream Weaver or Paradise, then I would go with something in the 5/10 to 6/10 flex range. If something like the GNU Gloss, Velvet, NS Infinity or Bataleon Push Up, then something 4/10 to 5/10 flex would work best.
Some good options in those flex ranges the following:
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
>>Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps
Karen says
Hi Nate –
I’ve been reading your snowboard reviews and responses to people looking for help in purchasing a snowboard and I’m very impressed.
I’ve been snowboarding about 10 years. My “home” mountain is Mt. Bachelor in Oregon. I would classify myself as an Intermediate 6 on your scale, but I’m definitely much more of a fan of riding off-piste than groomers. Powder is my favorite, when we get it. I love riding in trees, but I’m not awesome at it (I struggle with the quick turns required, especially switching quickly from heel to toe edge). I’m looking for something to help me progress at riding in trees and works well in powder, but that will also work on groomer days. I’m I say I’m 5’2″, but am probably just as close to 5″1″, weigh around 98-100 lbs. and wear size 6 boots. I’ve been riding a Twin Sister 143 for the past 5 years or so. But am thinking about switching to a more directional board since I rarely ride switch and only go in the park occasionally. I was thinking about the Dream Weaver, but can’t decide between a 139 or 142 but am also open to any other suggestions.
Thanks so much for your help!
Nate says
Hi Karen
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of sizing, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 139, so imagine part of the struggles with quick edge-to-edge speeds will be sizing, especially with the Twin Sister, with even the 143 being quite wide for your foot size.
I think the Dream Weaver would be a really good option for what you’re describing and I would go 139 for sure. While the Dream Weaver is a board you can typically ride a little longer (as it has a lower than average effective edge to overall length ratio), it’s also still wide for your feet, but not nearly as much as the 143 Twin Sister. Sizing down a little in length is a good idea if a board is a little too wide vs what would be the optimal width for your feet, to compensate for the width. So if the Dream Weaver was the perfect width for your feet in the 142, then I’d suggest that. But given its wider, I think sizing it to the 139 would be just right. Hope that makes sense!
Put more simply, the Dream Weaver should suit your riding style to a tee and the 139 should be just right size-wise.
Hope this helps
Karen says
Thank you so much!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Karen. Hope you have a great season!
V says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the in depth research! Appreciated of all these information!
I am 5’2, 150lbs, on a K2 moment and looking for an upgrade. I would rate myself an intermediate to advanced level of snowboarder. I have been riding for 10 years but I got like 1-2 wks each season only as I do not stay near any mountain. Usually going to Japan for some snowboarding.
I don’t do freestyle, prefer to stay on and off piste and ride powder. I would prefer an all mountain board with ability to do so ground tricks/ hit the side kick and to surf on powdery snow. I shortlisted dream weaver and the thunderstorm based on the top 10 list and wonder which would be my better pick? (Or any board that you would recommend otherwise).
As for binding, would burton lexa a gd pick? Or the Rome Brass be a better fit? I am of US shoes size 6, wonder if I shd go for a size s (4-6) or m (6-8) if I pick burton lexa.
Thanks in advance!
Nate says
Hi V
Thanks for your message.
Both the Dream Weaver and Thunderstorm would work well for what you’re describing, IMO.
The Thunderstorm would be my pick as it’s a little better for side-hits, IMO and a little better for trees, but the Dream Weaver is still fine for side-hits and good for trees and all round would still be a great choice, IMO, for how you describe your riding.
Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 149. However with size 6 boots, I would size down from that a bit. So, I’d be looking at the 145 for the Dream Weaver and the 144 for the Thunderstorm. But given you’ve been riding 10 years, you should also take into account what you’re used to. If your Moment is like a 142, then I’d consider the 142 Dream Weaver (and stay 144 on the Thunderstorm). If your Moment is 138, then the 142 Dream Weaver is probably the better bet. If it’s the 150, then again I’d still consider the 145 Dream Weaver but you might want to go the 148 Thunderstorm. If it’s the 146 Moment, then the 144 Thunderstorm and 145 Dream Weaver would be what I’d go with.
In terms of bindings, both the Lexa and Brass would work really well. For Burton bindings, I would go M in this case, as the baseplate length would suit the width of these boards better, IMO.
Hope this helps
V says
Thanks a lot Nate!!
I am getting a dream weaver, but there are some hiccups in delivery~ hopefully I could have that before my trip in early feb.
Nate says
You’re very welcome V and thanks for the update. Hope it treats you well. And hope it arrives in time for your trip!
JJ says
Hi Nate,
Your comments are very helpful und it would be great if you could help with the choice. I am an intermediate rider, i live in Europe and ride every year in the alps, this will be my 7th season (usually about 2 weeks a season). I don’t do park at all, and mostly enjoy off-piste, tree runs and some fresh snow, but also groomers every now and then. For the last 4-5 years I have been riding gnu Zoid 149, which wasn’t a perfect choice for first and only board, but the time on powder with it was immaculate:) now I want a more versatile board, which will still hold up in off-piste conditions. Lately we‘ve been getting less snow in Europe, so it should be good on some harder packed snow too or at least not terrible (zoid has a big problem there), not many icy days here. I want to progress my overall riding, gain more speed and improve in the tighter tree runs
I am 167 cm tall, ~66 kg, boot size 38-39
Choosing beetwen capita paradise, dream weaver and the twin sister, would appreciate your advice
Nate says
Hi JJ
Thanks for your message. I would probably go either Twin Sister or Dream Weaver as we find they are better in harder snow. Between them, it depends on whether you want it to be better in powder or better for switch/freestyle stuff. If you’re not really doing anything freestyle (I know you’re not riding park, but not sure about side-hits or ground tricks or anything like that), then I would be leaning Dream Weaver.
Size-wise I would put your “typical all-mountain length” at around 150. If you wanted to go with something that is going to feel around the same size as the Zoid, then the 148 Dream Weaver would be the equivalent, but the 151 is definitely doable. If you went Mountain Twin, I would go 149.
I rode Zoid years ago (the 2017 model I think it was) – and yeah a fun board but not very versatile. Powder definitely it’s biggest strength.
Hope this helps
JJ says
Hi Nate,
Thank you very much for your response, it’s been very helpful! I’m not really doing any kind of freestyle, so I’m leaning Dream weaver
Is there a big difference between 22/23 and 23/24 models?
Nate says
Hi JJ
As far as I know the 22/23 and 23/24 Dream Weavers are identical, except for the graphic.
Kirstie says
Hey Nate… I’m jumping on this wagon and going to ask you to help me find my next great love. I’m currently on a Smokin’ Vixen and am so sad that they don’t seem to be in business anymore.
I’m 5’4”, 160 lbs, advanced/expert rider and Imani my ride at Blue Mountain in Ontario so lots of flyibh down tracked out groomers, moguls, ice but I love riding “powdery” days and going through the trees and popping off stuff along the side of runs. I love speed but also like goofing around. Which is why I usually like all mountains. I was liking the sounds of the Jones Twin Sister but maybe you have a different idea?
Nate says
Hey Kirstie
Thanks for your message.
I think the Twin Sister would be a really good option for what you’re describing. It’s a really versatile board that does well in a lot of different conditions and is good at varying speeds and levels of how aggressive or playful you’re riding. So, would be a really good bet, IMO. I think that or the Hel Yes would be the way to go. The Hel Yes is a little better in icy conditions, but really both will treat you well for what you’re looking for, IMO.
Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length at around 151”. However, as an experienced rider you will have your own personal preferences and have a size that you’re used to, so I would temper that with what you think would be best. But purely based on specs, I would be weighing up the 149 and 152 for either board, depending on your boot size. If you already know what size you’re after, you can go with your gut, but if you did want my opinion on sizing, if you could let me know your boot size and the size of your Vixen.
Hope this helps
Courtney says
Hi Nate!
I was wondering if you could give me some direction with a new board! I have been riding a Nitro 2018 Mystique 149, with Fix January Bindings. I’m 5’7″, 135 lbs, size 7 boots. I tend to ride out in the Rockies of Alberta and BC. I’m looking for an all-mountain board to grow with me as I progress. I currently ride blues and blacks, with the occasional dip into the trees.
I am finding my board chattering more and more which is less than ideal!
Thank you SO much
Nate says
Hi Courtney
Thanks for your message.
Sounds like you could definitely go a little stiffer/damper than your current ride. Several options. If you don’t really ride any kind of freestyle that much, but like to get into powder, then I would be leaning Jones Dream Weaver or Bataleon Thunderstorm. If you do some freestyle or want to start and want more of an all-rounder, then I’d be leaning Hel Yes or Twin Sister. I think the Hello and Paradise are probably a little too mellow for what you’re wanting now. They’d probably give you a little more stability and less chatter than the Mystique, but less noticeably, so I think you should go a little more up from there. If you wanted to go more aggressive, then the Feelgood, Swoon Camber, Airheart or Muse could work. But my instinct is that you don’t want to quite go that aggressive? But let me know if I’ve read that wrong.
Size-wise, I would put your “typical all-mountain length” right around 149, so I don’t think you need to go any longer than what you’re currently riding, just something a bit stiffer/damper. For the boards mentioned, I would be looking at:
– Thunderstorm: 148
– Hel Yes: 149
– Twin Sister: 149
– Dream Weaver: 148
Hope this helps
Danny says
Hi Nate,
I have been researching for a new board for my wife and hoping to get some recommendations. She started riding approximately 20 years ago and has probably about 8 full seasons of under her belt. I classify her as a intermediate/expert rider, depending on the terrain. We mostly ride blue-double black diamond runs. Almost all our riding is done at Big White Ski Resort (West, British Columbia) where we are know for light champagne powder. We usually try to ride with at least some new snow and do very little ice days. Our most preferred riding is off groomed runs in the trees, but we do do enjoy a good groomed run where we can charge and do some carving. She never does any park riding, the occasional switch, but does like to hit jumps on fresh snow days.
Rider Stats and Current Equipment
She’s 5’8, weighs 170, very strong women, but she’s got a bit of an ongoing back pain that she deals with, so she is taking it easier these days. Even though her back isn’t the best I feel that her equipment is quite outdated and needs to be upgraded.
Current board is a OLD Salomon Ivy 157, Ride LX bindings, which I just upgraded to 2022 Burton Escapades (L) and 2022 Burton Felix (size 10).
These are the boards that I have it narrowed down too;
1. Yes Hell Yes
2. Bataleon Thunderstorm – She has never rode a Bataleon/3D system, so not sure how she will like it. She is open to trying and putting in effort to get accustom to it.
3. Jones Twin Sister
4. Jones Dream Weaver
5. Jones Flagship – I was a bit worried that it might be a bit to stiff and on the site it says that the turn shape is more towards the fast/long, which to me isn’t the best for tighter trees, which can do quite a bit of.
6. Burton Story Board – Only concern is that it’s higher on the stiff side, more aggressive and she wants to be able to not to have to be full throttle anymore. Plus we do have boys aged 8 and 10 that are only on their second year of boarding so we do tend to ride way less aggressive for the majority of the time, although we do have our times that we still do.
Thanks in advance, looking forward to your reply!
Also love the website, keep up the great work!
Regards,
Danny
Nate says
Hi Danny
Thanks for your message.
Given what you’re describing, I think the Hel Yes or Twin Sister would be the best choices. Boards that are still capable of riding fairly aggressively but that you don’t have to ride aggressively. I would say your wife would have liked the Flagship or Story Board previously, but given what you’re describing, I think the Hel Yes/Twin Sister would be a better balance of aggressive/more mellow riding for her now.
The Dream Weaver is also an option and she would get a bit more out of it in terms of powder, but won’t handle the more aggressive riding quite as well and less enjoyable for jumps, IMO.
The Thunderstorm is an option. I’d say it’s a little more mellow/playful than the likes of the Hel Yes, but not by a lot. But it is something that feels different and might take some getting used to. The 3BT is great for a catch-free feeling when your slashing turns, setting up for spins, buttering, transitioning to switch, etc, but when you want to lean into a carve, the engagement point feels quite different. You’ve got to lean a little deeper into it to engage the edge fully. Can definitely still carve on it, but it takes some getting used to, finding that engagement point. It does bring a bit more to table in terms of powder performance, IMO, and great for trees, in my experience. So given what you’re describing, it is probably the most suitable in that sense. The biggest question mark being how she will like the feel of it, given she’s been riding so long and used to riding a flat base, all camber board. So it could work out the best, but it’s also more of a gamble vs the Hel Yes or Twin Sister, IMO.
Size-wise, I would put your wife’s “typical all-mountain length” at around 154. You could go a little longer for more powder float and stability at speed, but given you ride a lot of trees, I probably wouldn’t go too much longer. Given she is used to riding a 157, you could err a little longer though. I would go:
– Hel Yes: 155
– Twin Sister: 155 – but 152 is a possibility too if she wanted to err a little shorter, but given what’s she’s used to, I would be leaning 155. Main reason I wouldn’t go 152 on the Hel Yes is that it might be pushing it width-wise
– Thunderstorm: 154 – the 154 is on the wider side for her boots, so I wouldn’t go longer than that. But I think it would work for her in this size. The 152N is a possibility but would be borderline width-wise, I would say, depending on binding angles, how low profile her boots are and her stance width.
Hope this helps with your decision
Angelica says
Hi Nate! I hope you’re having a great day. I was hoping for some advice on a new board. This last season I rode an Arbor Ethos 150. I’m 5 foot 7 in and weigh 145 lbs. I realized I need to get better fitting boots and from what I’ve tried so far, it’ll be either a 6 or 6.5.
I want a board that will, at least compared to my current board, hold up to higher speeds and hold an edge better. I’m an intermediate rider and have been riding blues with the occasional easier black. Towards the end of the season I started trying out switch but wasn’t the best. I’d also like to start learning some easy park stuff, but for the most part, right now I like sticking to groomers.
I’ve just been thinking about the capita paradise 149 in large part due to the fact I love the graphic. But I’ve realized I should probably look at other boards so I get something that feels the best instead of something I just think is really pretty. For awhile I was also considering a Bataleon Push Up but I demoed it last year and concluded I really do not like their 3BT technology. It felt way harder to hold an edge than I would’ve expected for a full camber (maybe I just needed more time to get used to it). I was thinking maybe I should consider something a tiny bit more aggressive than the paradise but not quite sure. Would love to know what you recommend!
Nate says
Hi Angelica
Thanks for your message.
My gut, based on what you’re describing, is that you could step up to something a little more aggressive than the Paradise. Nothing crazy, but something like the Twin Sister or Hel Yes, I think would work really well. Really versatile and will also allow you that extra stability at speed and edge-hold that you’re seeking. I mean the Paradise will still be a good step up from the Ethos for sure, but based on what you’re describing my feeling is to go for something a little more aggressive.
3BT definitely takes some getting used to. The engagement point is a little deeper. I really like Bataleon boards, but they definitely require an adjustment.
Size-wise, I think sticking with something around that 149-151 range would be a good bet.
Hope this helps with your decision
Nara Henderson says
Hi! Love this website! I’m looking for a new board to replace my 18 y o Rossi board that I love but need to put to rest, lol. I’m a solid rider, 24 years snowboarding on the West Coast (Canada) mostly at Whistler, Kicking Horse, Mt. Baker, Washington, etc. I ride a mix of groomers (love to go top speed, fast) and off-groomer on a powder day (trees, bowls, chutes, I’m good with all of it). I also like to play around and jump a bit, but nothing huge, and I don’t often ride park. I do ride with experts (mostly skiers) and I’m known to be fast and be able to tackle expert terrain. I don’t want a quiver of boards, hoping to get one board that is snappy, responsive, stable, speedy, floaty, and fun. I’m athletic, 5’9”, 1356lbs. Reading a lot about the Yes Hel Yes and the Jones Twin Sister, wondering if those might be good options? Or maybe something else? I also know there’s been a lot of research done on sizing since I last invested in a board so looking for a recommendation on which board AND which size, if you can! I want this to feel like a superboost to my riding!!
Nate says
Hi Nara
Thanks for your message.
I think the likes of the Hel Yes and Twin Sister would give you a good balance between all the things you’re looking for, so should work well. Given how you lioke to ride fast, if you wanted to get more speed-wise out of it, you could also consider something like the Arbor Swoon Camber, Jones Airheart 2.0 or Burton Feelgood, though you’d be sacrificing a little powder performance, IMO, you’d be gaining in terms of speed/stability at speed. And not quite as snappy. If you wanted to favor more on the stability/speed side of things, I’d give them a good look. If you’re wanting that true all-rounder, then the Hel Yes or Twin Sister are your best bets, IMO.
If you wanted to gain in terms of speed but also in terms of powder, you could also check out some from >>our top 5 Women’s Freeride snowboards list. Not going to be as snappy as the likes of Hel Yes and Twin Sister though but some options you could check out, if you wanted.
Size-wise, I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 150 (that’s assuming your weight is 135lbs – I’m guessing the 6 on the end was a typo). For more stability at speed and better float in powder, you could err a little longer than that but going too long will take away some of the snap and reduce maneuverability for when you’re in trees and that kind of thing. Given it sounds like you’re mostly in trees when there’s powder, you should be good to go a little longer if you wanted. It will also depend on the size you’re used to riding. If you’re used to riding a 155 or something like for example, then I would err longer but still wouldn’t go as long as that. e.g. if you were to go Hel Yes or Twin Sister, and you’re Rossi is a 155, then I would err more towards 152, rather than 149. If you’re used to riding a 145, then I would err more towards the 149.
Hope this helps with your decision
Nara says
Thank you this is SO helpful! My Rossi is a Diva 158 (circa 2005). And yes I’m 135lbs lol (not 1356!!!). I would clarify and say my powder riding is equally in trees as it is chutes and bowls with no trees (vaster expanses).
Given I ride a 158 now, what length do you think? Still 150? Sounds like my current board is a bit too long for me given the new approach around weight instead of just height…?
Nara Henderson says
Hi Nate! Tried to reply earlier today but I don’t think it went through, so trying again…Yup I’m 135lbs (not 1365 lbs! Lol!). I took your recommendations, and went into some local board shops. The Hel Yes and other “all mountain” boards just didn’t feel or look aggressive or stable enough for me. Given I really ride big mountain, I actually went with a Freeride board – the Jones Flagship Women’s, which you rate as the best one on your Freeride reviews. It looks and feels amazing, can’t wait to take it out on the big mountains!
I actually ride a 158 Rossi Diva (circa 2005!), so given I’m more interested in stability at high speed and powder on big mountain, steep terrain, I went for the Flagship Women’s 155. I looked at the 152 and it just seemed…tiny? Probably because I’m so used to my old school longer board lol.
Fingers crossed that I feel the 155 has still got that snappy, responsive feel when needed but will perform well in the big terrain I love to seek out most of the time!
Nate says
Hi Nara
Thanks for the update.
Given you’re used to a 158, I think the 155 should work with the Flagship. With a freeride board like the Flagship, you can err a little longer, since more of the length is outside of it’s effective edge. If you were to have gone Twin Sister or Hel Yes, I would have said 152, but for the Flagship you can go longer – and given what you’re used to riding and how you want to ride, I think the 155 should be fine. Hope it treats you well!
Alvin says
Hey Nate!
My gf’s current set up is the Yes basic 143 with US size 7.5 burton felix boa boots. Her height is 161cm and weight is 46-48kg (not wearing snowboard gear). She is an intermediate rider.. mostly on groomed runs. Lately she enjoys carving with more speed. She isn’t super interested in park, but may try a few easy features in the future. She has not ventured off groomed runs, but is open to trying trees. We currently live in California but plan to go out of state/country next season so an “all rounder” all mountain board is ideal. She would like a board that is decent at carving, stable, help with confidence at higher speed, doesn’t have to be freestyle oriented/powder specialist, and preferably not too redundant to her current Yes board (nothing wrong with it, just wanted something different/to complement).
Not sure on sizing but here’s a list of boards that she’s looking at (open to suggestions):
-Capita equalizer
-Capita birds of a feather
-Jones dream weaver
-Jones twin sister
-Burton story board
Thoughts? Would also appreciate binding recommendations as well. Thank you very much for your help!
Nate says
Hi Alvin
Thanks for your message.
From that list, I think most would serve her well and be a good compliment to the Basic. The only one that I would probably cross off is the Birds of a Feather – and only because it’s not as good a compliment to the Basic. Definitely not the same board as the Basic, but more similar than the rest there. I would go with something that’s not true twin, given she already has a true twin. Of those I would say the Story Board is the biggest contrast to the Basic, followed by Equalizer/Dream Weaver and then Twin Sister but they’re all good compliments, IMO. The Twin Sister is the most “all-rounder” of them, IMO.
Size-wise, I would put your gf’s “typical all-mountain length” at around 141. Given she’s used to riding something a little longer than that, and that she wants this board to be a little more advanced, stable, etc, I would go with the following:
-Capita equalizer: 142
-Jones dream weaver: 142
-Jones twin sister: 143 (typically I’d say 140 for her specs, though, so the 140 definitely a possibility)
-Burton story board: 142
Hope this helps
Nikki says
Hi Nate! All of your comments and reviews are super helpful. I’ve been boarding for about 15 years now. I used to go a lot (then on the East coast) and for the past 10 or so years typically board 5-8 days a year out west (the past few years primarily in Big Sky). In the future, I will probably still do 5-8 days out west, and am also looking to start getting in more days on the East coast.
I’m a solid level 6 on your scale, working to be a 7 (minus the park stuff). I’d describe myself as an aggressive rider who likes to bomb groomers and more recently really enjoyed more ungroomed stuff and tree runs. And, although they’re not my favorite, I find myself doing more moguls because most of the tree runs have at least one section of reasonably aggressive moguls.
I’m 5’3″, 140 lbs. I had my last set up for 15 years — a 147 Head, traditional camber board (it says Glam .47 on the board, but I can’t find any specs on it; the guys at the snowboard shop put it around a 6.5-7/10 flex and said it was a pretty aggressive camber), with Ride Delta Mvmt bindings. I really liked this board, but wanted to upgrade and also try something new, so I bought a NS Infinity 148 and paired it with Union Legacy bindings. My boots are Salomon Ivy SJ Boa (size 7).
I enjoyed the NS Infinity when there was fresh powder. However, overall, I did not love the surfier feel of the NS Infinity, especially on groomers, and I did not feel like I was setting the edge as well. I’m looking for something that is going to feel more locked in than the NS Infinity and help push my riding to the next level. I’m considering the Yes. Hel Yes (probably 149, but maybe 146), the NS Lady FR (147), the Burton Story (147), and the Jones Dream Weaver (148). What do you recommend?
Also, what binding would you pair with your board recommendation? And, would you upgrade the boots (they’re a few years old)?
Thanks so much for your help!
Best,
Nikki
Nate says
Hi Nikki
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, the Infinity is a softer more playful board. Fun but when you’re looking to bomb and carve, not ideal. Every board you suggested would be a step up in terms of speed/carving, so whichever you go with on the list would certainly work for you, IMO.
But I’d be weighing up between the Hel Yes and the Story Board. The Story Board would give you a little better in terms of speed and powder, with the Hel Yes being better in icy conditions. Those are the things I’d be weighing up mostly between them. Given you’re not doing anything freestyle, I’d probably be leaning Story Board.
The Lady FR would work well too, IMO – only reason I’d be leaning towards the others is that my instinct tells me you’re looking for something closer to that trad camber feeling, but with a little more forgiveness and a little more powder. The Lady FR is camber dominant – and def will feel more camber-like than the Infinity – and I don’t think it would be a wrong choice at all – like I said, I think anything from your list would work – but the reason I’m leaning Story Board or Hel Yes ahead of it, is that you’d still be getting a bit of that “rocker between the feet” feel from it, even if it’s far more subtle versus how it feels on the infinity.
The Dream Weaver would work too, but I just feel like the Story Board and Hel Yes would be better choices. I’d almost step it up, based on what you’re describing, to the Flagship or Hovercraft, if you were going to go Jones.
Hope this helps with your decision
Nikki says
Thanks, Nate!! This is super helpful!
Two more questions, if I can impose. First, the Story board in 147 is proving hard to find right now. So, if I did go with the Hel Yes, do you think 149 (as opposed to 146) is the right size?
Second, are there specific binding pairings that you would recommend for the Story, and separately the Hel Yes? I’m currently riding Union Legacy bindings. I saw that the mini-disc on those bindings will not work with the Hel Yes set/slam back.
Thanks again for all of your help!
Nate says
Hi Nikki
Size-wise for the Hel Yes. I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 148, so both options would work. The 149 would be a better bet for when you’re bombing and for when there’s powder. But the 146 would be better for navigating trees and moguls, so there’s a bit of weigh up there. I think either size would work well, but I would be leaning 149 – but again, it’s a very close call.
The Legacy would match well with the Hel Yes, but yeah, if you’re planning on using the slam backs, then it won’t work on them, with the mini-disc.
Some good non-mini-disc alternatives:
– Burton Lexa (6) or even Lexa X (7)
– Burton Escapade (5.5)
– Union Trilogy (6.5)
– Flux GX (7)
I would try to go with something around 6/10 flex to match with the Hel Yes and for your style and level of riding. Doesn’t have to be exactly that though. I have put the flex (our feel) of the above bindings in brackets.
Nicole says
Thanks, Nate!! This is so helpful! You have really helped me wade through all of the options. Thanks, again!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Nikki. Happy riding!
Brianna says
Hey Nate,
I am hoping for a little advice on my next board. I have been riding a 2007/2008 149 Burton Feather since 2009 and I am overdue for an upgrade. Originally I thought I would be going for another Burton board but after reading a lot of your reviews, I think maybe the Yes Hel Yes might be a good board for me. I have been riding for 15+ years but usually only get out around 6 times per season and still consider myself an intermediate rider. I am from the East Coast of Canada and our local hills are all man-made snow, rarely have powder and are often icy. I am looking at a more stiffer, aggressive board because I really want to progress my carving. I like to bomb runs and I don’t feel like my Burton Feather holds an edge well and I experience a lot of chatter. I have no interest in the park but I liked the idea that the Hel Yes was still some what playful and doesn’t always need to be ridden fast. I’ve never tried a hybrid or a camber board before. Only flat top and rockers. Do you think the Hel Yes would be too much of a step up from the Burton Feather?
I am also wondering what size you’d recommend if I were to go with the Hel Yes. I looked at their size chart and it put me at a 155 length. I am 5’6, about 165lbs and my current Burton Coco boots are a size 10. I am thinking I would prefer a 152 because its a more aggressive board and going from a 149 to a 155 seems like a big change. What are your thoughts?
Lastly, if you have any binding recommendations that would pair well with this board, it would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks so much
Nate says
Hi Brianna
Thanks for your message.
I think the Hel Yes would be a really good bet for what you’re describing. Good in icy conditions, certainly stiffer and more aggressive than what you’re used to, but also something that you can ride more casually when needed. I don’t think it would be too big a step up. It will be a noticeable step up and will take a little bit to get used to after riding your Feather for so long, but after an initial adjusting phase I think you should be fine with it.
I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 152/153, so I think the 152 would be your better bet – and be an easier transition size-wise from where you’re at. Even not taking that transition in sizing into account, I’d still go 152 for you. Width-wise, it will be on the narrower end for your boot size, but I think you should be fine in most scenarios. I mean, if you were going to be laying down eurocarves and had a pretty flat back binding angle (e.g. 0-6 degrees), then you might want to look at something wider, but in most scenarios I think you should be OK.
The Coco aren’t an ideal match – ideally you’d go a bit stiffer, but if you’re not ready to change boots, they would work in the meantime – but when you are ready to upgrade boots, I would look at something a bit stiffer to better compliment the rest of the setup.
For bindings, ideally something around a 6/10 flex, but anything between 5/10 to 7/10 should work fine. Some good options below:
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
>>Top Women’s Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps with your decision
Brianna says
Hey Nate, thanks so much for the feedback.
I do plan to upgrade my boots as well as I’ve learned they are way too big for me. I am actually about a size 9, maybe even 8.5. Hoping to find some boots to try on but there aren’t a lot to choose from locally.
I plan to purchase online and I think I’ve narrowed it down to a Hel Yes in a 152 and the Burton Felix (size 9?) for boots and Burton Escapades (size L) for bindings. Do you think this is a good set up?
Nate says
Hi Brianna
I think that setup would work really well together and work well for how you describe your riding. If you get the chance to try on boots, then that would be ideal, then I think you’d probably be a 9 in Burton boots, if your shoe size is typically a 9 or if you’ve tried boots in a 9 and 8.5 before and feel they’ve fit well. But hard to say for sure. If it’s a possibility and you’re not able to try on in person, it would be a good idea to buy the 9 and 8.5 and return the one that doesn’t fit as well. Most online stores will allow you to do this, but double check on the store you’re looking at before buying, to make sure. I could try to narrow it down to the size I think would work best, if you were able to let me know your foot length in centimeters, but still no guarantees, until you’ve tried on.
When you are trying on, some things to keep in mind when sizing snowboard boots:
>>How to Size Snowboard Boots
Brianna says
Hey Nate, thanks again for the advice! I had my foot measured and it is 24.5cm. On most size charts I’ve looked at, it says I am a 7.5, but my sneaker size is generally 8.5, sometimes 9. I did try on a pair of Thirty Two boots in a size 8.5 recently and my toes were pressed up against the front of the boot but they were not bent.
Nate says
Hi Brianna
I find that the mondo of a boot rarely actually works out to fit the size, so I would be surprised if you got into a 7.5, being right on a 24.5cm foot size. 8 could be doable in some cases, but if you’re generally an 8.5 sometimes 9 in sneakers, then I would say you’re more likely to fit an 8.5. If you fit the Thirty Two well in an 8.5, then I think you’d likely fit a Burton 8.5 too (I tend to be the same size for both brands). When you say your toes were pressed up against the end, was there any pressure against them or any discomfort or were they touching but no real pressure?
Natalie says
I ended up getting the 2023 Burton Feelgood Camber this season and I LOVE it. It is my first board after snowboarding sporadically over the course of many years, always with rental gear. I had basically mastered the beginner skills (with some bad habits) and never had a lesson and was looking to level up. I didn’t want to buy a beginner board and grow out of it too quickly so went with the Feelgood Camber and the attitude that I was going to have to rise to the occasion. Even my first time on the board, I really didn’t feel like it was too aggressive for my skill-level. I took 6 lessons this year and learned tons and the Feelgood has been amazing. I can attest to it being aggressive but as a result moving from skidded turns to carving was not a very difficult transition. I have it paired with the Escapade EST bindings and Limelight BOA boots and could not be happier with the set up. My instructor jacked the highbacks forward and improved my riding immediately by forcing a more aggressive stance. Highly recommend this board for all-mountain riders particularly on the East Coast.
Nate says
Hi Natalie
Thanks for your message and insights. Much appreciated
Emily Dommett says
Hi Nate,
Amazing site, your information is second to none.
I’m a solid high intermediate rider that’s been using a soft board for 12 years and really need to upgrade to progress. my preferred style is everything other than park! I really like the look of the hel yes and twin sister but I’m concerned they’d be to much (although if I’m honest I’m better than I give myself credit for!)
I’m 145lbs, 5’3 and uk6. Do you have any advice as I’m going round in circles!!
Emily
Nate says
Hi Emily
Thanks for your message.
If you’re a solid to high intermediate rider, then I don’t think you’ll have any issues with riding the Hel Yes or Twin Sister. After a bit of an adjustment period, getting used to them after riding a softer board for so long, I think you’ll really appreciate the extra performance.
Size-wise, I’d be weighing up between the 146 and 149 for both boards. Even though 149 is probably the best size for your height/weight specs, I would be leaning 146, particularly for the Twin Sister (as it’s a little wider) because the boards will be on the wide side for your foot size. They’re not super wide for your feet or anything, but on the wider side, so sizing down a little to compensate for that is a good idea, IMO. It may partly depend on what you’re used to riding as well. If you’re used to riding like a 143, then 146 makes even more sense. If you’re used to riding like a 152, then there’d be a stronger argument to go 149.
Hope this helps with your decision
Emily Dommett says
Hay, thanks for the reply, I went for the HelYes in 149 (my old board was 147) and it’s patiently waiting in Austria for me to arrive in 3 weeks!
I can’t wait to try it out!
Thanks again
Nate says
Hi Emily
Thanks for the update. If you think of it at the time, I would love to hear how you get on, once you get the board and get a chance to get it out on snow.
Britt says
Hey Nate!
Looking for your opinion. I’ve been riding for years and looking to upgrade my 2012 Roxy Eminence C2BTX to something more mellow as I won’t be hitting the parks as much.
I live in Ontario, so icy conditions are a standard. I’m 5″5′ 118lbs size 7.5 (womens) boot. Hoping to grab your opinion on a board and size.
I was looking at Jones Dream Catcher, NS Lady FR, Yes Hel Yes, but completely open to new suggestions.
Not necessarily needing anything too aggressive, but nothing that will take my riding down a level. I like the twin, and could do directional.
Also wondering if switching to a camber hybrid is worth doing at this point, in that it’s an easier ride? or stick with c-r-c?
Your thoughts would be awesome!
Nate says
Hi Britt
Thanks for your message.
Switching from your current hybrid rocker (c-r-c) to a hybrid camber (r-c-r) would take a little getting used to but it’s shouldn’t be so hard to get used to that it stops you from looking at Hybrid Camber boards. The Dream Catcher and Hel Yes are both Hybrid camber with the Lady FR more of a hybrid rocker (though it’s quite a unique camber profile – what Never SUmmer call triple camber, so it’s kind of neither). However, the Lady FR is quite stiff and aggressive in comparison, so might not be what you’re after based on what you’re describing.
The Hel Yes and Dream Catcher certainly both options. The Hel Yes, IMO is a little better in icy conditions, so that might lean you that way. It’s not true twin but directional twin. The Dream Catcher (now called the Dream Weaver) is more directional, but it’s still not super directional – there’s no taper or anything.
Size-wise, I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 144/145 and with your boot size, you should be good on anything in that width range and wouldn’t need to size down because of it or anything. The Hel Yes’ smallest size is 146, so you would have to size up a touch for that, but still doable. The Dream Weaver I’d be looking at 145.
You could also look at the Jones Twin Sister – I’d look at the 143.
Hope this helps
Flavia says
Hi Nate!
I spent a few days reading your site, your advice is solid and it helped me narrow down some options for me. I did want to get your take though before I pull the plug here.
A bit of context:
Been riding for 10-15 yrs, I’m a solid Interm 6 rider, and my style is a back and forth between freeride and aggressive all-mountain, depending on the mood and energy. I might do a mellow freeride if the powder is right and I feel pretty. I don’t plan on changing my style anytime soon. Carving, stability, turns, a nimble and easy to turn board, but also something that allows me to surf – all that sounds like *chefs kiss* for me.
I bought my current setup while I was living in a country where I couldn’t buy what was right for me, but what they had available. And considering my sizes, that was always limited and more often than not I had to settle for good enough:
I’m 5’2, 120lbs and I wear 5.5 in street shoes.
My current setup is a Burton Nugget 138 with Burton Emerald boots size 6 that are a little too large. The boots are killing me, my feet are needles and pins after a couple runs and the last straw was last weekend I hit the slopes and… I dislocated a toe. The bindings are too soft when I try to ride a bit more aggressive and the board is fun and playful but not helping me so much on powder.
Anyway, last weekend made me realize I should really put a stop on this and get a new setup. So I am currently looking into getting an entire setup: boats+bindings+boots and wanted to get your thoughts on my options.
Boards: I narrowed a list of boards – each with my concerns:
– Never Summer Proto Syn 139: I’m worried it might be too aggressive for the times when I feel “mellow freeride.
– Jones Twin Sister 140: I’m worried it’s too long considering I’ll have to use it with a 5.5 or 5 size boot.
– Never Summer 142: I’m worried it’s too long considering I’ll have to use it with a 5.5 or 5 size boot.
– Jones Dream Weaver 139: I’m worried is not going to be nimble enough or fit for powder – however rare it happens, it’s FUN to have a board to enjoy it.
Boots: for any option, I will order 5 and 5.5 and keep the one that fits me best. I also have a Burton flagship store nearby, so I could try whatever they have there, but not sure about my options with them:
– Ride Hera (currently out of stock in 5 and 5.5 but will keep looking)
– Ride Hera Pro (no 5.5, only 5 or 6)
– Burton Felix BOA
Bindings:
– Burton Lexa X
– Burton Escapade EST
What would be your recommendation for a setup? Thank you so so much for your help!
Nate says
Hi Flavia
Thanks for your message.
Firstly in terms of sizing. I would put your “standard all-mountain length” at around 143. However with your foot size, I would size down from that – as it sounds like you’ve been doing.
For your level and what you’re describing, I don’t think the Proto Synthesis would be too aggressive. But it isn’t great for powder – that’s the one thing that makes me hesitate on that one. If you did I would go 139 over the 142. I think it would be the better size, given your boot size. The 142 wouldn’t be huge or anything – and sizing up would improve it in terms of powder, but I’d be leaning 139.
The Twin Sister is quite wide for a women’s board – even in the 140 it’s around 250mm at the front insert and 252mm at the back insert (238mm waist). Because you’d be sizing down to the 140, it’s certainly doable, but it is wide for your feet.
The Dream Weaver is actually what I would consider to be the best in powder of all the options there. And overall it’s more freeride and less freestyle compared to the other 2 as well. And size-wise I think the 139 works well. Still wide for your foot size but not as wide as the Twin Sister (around 247mm front insert and 249mm back insert) and that sizing down with the length should counter that well. This is the option I would be leaning towards for you, based on how you describe your riding. Note that it’s overall still bigger than the 139 Proto Synthesis, when you take into account the extra width.
In terms of boots, sizing is really important so getting that right will likely fix a lot of the issues you had with your Emeralds. But that said, sometimes certain brands agree or disagree with a certain person’s foot, so it might be the case that Burton and your feet don’t agree. But it could just be sizing it’s hard to say. In terms of flex though those 3 options would work with any of those boards, with the Hera Pro and Felix probably being the best match, but the Hera would still work well – just slightly softer flexing than the other 2 (5/10 flex versus 6/10 for the Hera Pro and Felix). But they’re all in a good flex range, so I would go with whichever fits the best (the Hera and Hera Pro should fit the same as each other).
For bindings, I would go Escapade, but don’t go EST unless you’re going to go with a Burton board. Burton EST bindings only mount to Burton’s channel system and aren’t compatible with the boards you’re looking at. But the Escapade Re:Flex is compatible and will be a good match to those boards and boots. The Lexa X is doable but just a little on the stiff side, IMO, particularly given your specs. It could work with the board, but I think the Escapade will be a better match for the board and with your specs, so I’d go with that one. Just remember to go with the Re:Flex model and and not the EST model.
Hope this helps with your decision
Flavia says
Thank you SO much for the detailed answer, it’s so helpful seeing your thought process, I drove myself crazy going back and forth! I’ll go with the DreamWeaver 139, they have it in stock nearby!
I was wondering, would you have any other recommendations for bindings+boots? I’m going to start doing the rounds of the stores I have nearby, and I’m curious if there’s anything else you’d recommend besides Ride and Burton that would go nice with the DW.
Nate says
Hi Flavia
In terms of boots, I’d also check out our >>Top Women’s All-Mountain Snowboard Boots list for some more good options as possibilities for the boots. Everything there is a 6/10 flex, which is a good bet for the DW. And for bindings also check out our >>top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings list for more options.
Stephanie says
Hi Nate!
I’m hoping you can help me out. I’ve been researching a ton on which snowboard I should get next and am really confused at this point.
I am 5’6″, 185 lbs, size 10 boot (just got vans viaje). I am a “boring” rider as in I just stick to groomers, but hoping I will venture out sometime in the future – I’m not interest in park. I ride goofy & occasionally switch. I ride greens and blues (exploring more blues now living in CO as they’re more intense from the east coast), but would say I’m an advanced beginner/entry intermediate rider that occasionally gets out a handful of times a year.
I have a 2012 GNU B-nice 145cm board that I got second hand a few years back. It’s the only board that I know and learned on. I’m lost on what to get next, but would like to take it to the next level. I like my board, but recently learned it’s too small for me. I’ve been looking at several boards to upgrade to & don’t know if they’re too aggressive for me: Jones Dream Weaver, Jones Twin Sister, Capita Birds of a Feather, Capita Paradise. I know these are Hybrid cambers compared to my hybrid rocker, so will be a different feel.
I’m open to any other recommendations as well as help with choosing a size that suits me – these were just the few brands/boards that I kept coming across and highly talked about. I appreciate any advise that you can provide!
Nate says
Hi Stephanie
Thanks for your message.
I think all but the Birds of a Feather would be OK. BOAF a little too aggressive, IMO, for what you’re describing. The Dream Weaver is borderline too, but I think you’d be fine with it. They’ll all be a step up from the B-Nice for sure, but it sounds like you’re ready for a step up from that.
Size-wise, I would have you at around 154 as your “standard all-mountain” size, but given your level and the size you’ve been used to, I would size it down a little from there. Something in the 149-152 range would be a good bet. With 10s you’ll need to be careful about width as well, making sure they’re not too narrow.
I think the Dream Weaver would be wide enough in the 151, so that’s definitely an option.
The Twin Sister in either the 149 or 152 would be wide enough too, so those are both options.
The Paradise will be too narrow, IMO, so unfortunately would cross that one off the list.
Some other options include:
– Rossignol Airis 152
– YES Hello 152
Hope this helps with your decision
Candi says
Hi Nate, I’ve been doing a lot of research and I can’t seem to find what I need . Not sure if it exists but I’m hoping you can help.
I am looking for something similar to the signal
Yup. I love that board so much but I would like to find something really close to it but a little bit more fun. The profile I’m looking for would be fast without any efforts, stable on high speed , quick response with turns , good for jibs and have decent pop.
I’ve been looking into the yes hel yes but it seems to be on a stiffer side. However, I can’t seem to find the stiffness rating for the yup since there’s not many reviews on that board. All I know it’s medium
and not number so I can’t really compare it.
I love the yup in pow but I also ride it with just a few inches. It’s usually my go to board unless it’s just a groomers day.
Would love some recommendations for something that’s a hair more flexible and a bit more fun .
Nate says
Hi Candi
Thanks for your message.
We haven’t tested any Signal boards, so can’t compare to it. It seems like it’s a heavily tapered setback freeride board by the specs I found here. So nothing here is going to be that similar. If it’s medium flex, then it shouldn’t be more than 6/10 flex, but it’s hard to say for sure as each brand rates a little differently. But assuming it’s no more than 6/10 flex, then the Hel Yes will likely be either the same or slightly stiffer in terms of flex. If you’re looking to go a little softer, then something like the Hello is a better bet. But it’s really hard to say. It could be the case that Signal rate their boards differently and that we would feel the Yup at a more 7/10 flex and then maybe the Hel Yes or Twin Sister or something could be suitable. Really hard to say having not tested it.
Given that you still want stability at speed, you won’t want to go too soft but also given that you want it to be good for jibs, you probably don’t want to go too stiff – and you’ve already mentioned you want to go a little softer. Given you want a combo of quite playful but also stable at speed, I would say the likes of the Hel yes or Twin Sister are very good at balancing those things, but I don’t know whether you would find them any softer/more playful than the Yup. If you wanted to go a little more freestyle oriented you could look at something like the GNU Ladies Choice. Going to be even more different in feel in terms of shape, being a true twin (assymetrical) versus the very directional Yup, but if you were OK with that it could be an option.
Hope this somewhat helps but quite hard to say given you’re looking for a board/brand that’s close to a board we don’t have any experience with.
Shoni says
Hey Nate,
Sorry to add to the pile of comments you get asking for help with very specific criteria.. but I’ve read so many articles at this point that I’m just confusing myself.
I’ve been riding on a Rossignol Frenemy 144 for 3 seasons (I had been riding for many years prior to that but always on rentals). I really like my board, but I find myself wanting something a little more aggressive at times. I would say I’m at about a level 6 based on your categories. I only ride on-piste and most of that on trails, groomed or not. I love speed and carving, have little interest in trees and no interest in park. I’m primarily an east coast rider, so edge hold on ice/hard snow is important to me (one of the main reasons I went for the Frenemy), but I try to take trips for better powder 1-2 times a season.
I’m not sure if it’s my board or my skill level that is holding me back from going harder. If I’d benefit from a “step up” in boards, I’ve been eyeing the Jones Twin Sister as an option and would appreciate your thoughts on that or other options I should consider. If you think it’s my skill level then I’d appreciate being told that too – then it’s save my money for a bigger step up later and back to working on the technique once this season starts, ha.
Thanks for taking the time to respond to everyone’s comments. Your site was hugely helpful in my hunt a few seasons back.
Nate says
Hi Shoni
Thanks for your message.
I think a more aggressive board would help you to take that next step, but certainly continuing to work on your technique is also important. Hard to say whether you’ve pushed the Frenemy to its limits yet or not, but it does have it’s limits in terms of speed and carving, so if you haven’t reached it yet, you likely will at some point. Given what you’re describing, I thin the Twin Sister or Hel Yes would be really good steps up, without going too aggressive. If you felt you were ready to go a little more then you could certainly look at the Arbor Swoon Camber or even Jones Airheart 2.0 or Burton Feelgood.
If you’re not really riding switch, you could look at a freeride board – see this list
But yeah, if you’re looking at taking a step but don’t want to go too aggressive, then the Twin Sister and Hel Yes would be good bets.
Hope this helps
Shoni says
Hi Nate – Thanks for the response and the good food for thought. I had been considering the Hel Yes as well given how many sites, including yours, I’ve seen rate it so highly.
I am admittedly a little concerned about going full camber. I demoed the Feelgood once years ago and it kicked my butt. Granted that was before I even bought the Frenemy, and so all I had been used to prior to that was rental boards that were (I think) either flat-to-rocker or full rocker, but as a result I’m hesitant about whether I’m ready for full camber. At what point in a rider’s progression do you think going full camber is appropriate? I suppose what I have been debating is whether full camber would be a steep learning curve at first but then really help me progress to where I want to be once I get over the change, or if it would be too big of a change for me at this point and would actually hinder my progression. I know this might be a difficult question to really answer but I’d appreciate any thoughts you have.
And a hopefully more simple question: Could I get your opinion on sizes for the Twin Sister and the Hel Yes? I’m 115lbs, 5′-3″ and wear a size 7 USW boot. Based on what I understand about rec. length based on weight and waist width, I’ve been looking at 143 for the Twin Sister – is that what you would recommend? And for the Hel Yes, I’ve thought that I might be sized out since it starts at 146 and that would be more board than I’ve ever ridden on, but I’d love to know if I’m wrong there.
Thanks again Nate.
Nate says
Hi Shoni
Yeah it’s hard to say for sure if you would be OK with full camber now or not. And it’s not necessarily a case of eventually going to full camber – it’s something that some never end up liking or wanting. I think you would get used to it after a steeper learning curve, but there is a chance it would slow your progression and can potentially knock your confidence a little if it ends up being more challenging. Again, it’s hard to say, because you could take to it really well and really like it, but it is the riskier prospect for sure. And given you’re previous experience, all be it that you now have more experience, it also adds to the risk in it.
Size-wise for the Twin Sister I’d be looking at the 143. And yeah, unfortunately, the Hel Yes (a board I keep hoping gets a smaller size every year, but never does!) in the 146 would be a little too big, IMO.
Shoni says
Hi Nate – Thanks so much, that’s super helpful.
If I could ask one more question – what are the main differences between the Twin Sister and the Dream Weaver/Dream Catcher in how the two ride? I know that there’s a slight difference in flex, and the Dream Weaver is (slightly?) directional, but are those differences really perceptible? I’m sure the answer must be yes given that otherwise why would Jones make two different boards.. but I’ve read so many posts comparing the two that I’ve thoroughly confused myself at this point. The Dream Catcher was one board that was recommended to me a few years ago when I was hunting around and landed on the Frenemy, so I’ve been curious about it, but wondering if I’d just be getting a very similar board to what I already have if I went that route (which is somewhat cheaper than the Twin Sister, hence my consideration).
Nate says
Hi Shoni
Apart from the flex difference (which is pretty neglible I would say – they’re a very similar flex) and the Dream Weaver being more directional (which is a more noticeable difference) the Twin Sister is a poppier/snappier that’s a bit lighter and has more spring out of turns versus the Dream Weaver – a little livelier, if that makes sense. The Dream Weaver is a smoother turning board versus a more snappy turning feel from the Twin Sister.
The Dream Weaver is a little better in powder, because of that more directional shape. But the Twin Sister is better for switch, jumps, butters etc and everything is fairly similar, apart from the feel of turns as mentioned above.
So the Dream Weaver isn’t necessarily wrong, if you like the sound of a smooth turner. For it I would size up to the 145 though – it’s the kind of board you typically want to size up for. The 142 would work, but I’d be leaning 145 in that particular board.
Veronica Ecklund says
Hi Nate,
I’m looking for a board to progress on steeps, trees, and off piste terrain that can still ride well on groomers when necessary. I’d like a board than can hold an edge well on icy terrain but still handle pow. I’m torn with choosing from the Yes Hell Yes or Never Summer Lady FR. I’m thinking the narrower profile of the Lady FR might have turning advantages but a little concerned that it might be too stiff for me. I also saw a few reviews mention that the hell yes laminate peeled easy, so thinking never summer might have higher quality laminate. Looking for my go to board to ride a while as I don’t upgrade equipment often. I’m 5′ 3 1/2″ and weigh 130. What would you suggest? Thank you! Veronica
Nate says
Hi Veronica
Thanks for your message.
A few differences between those boards that will hopefully help with your decision:
– I think you’ll find the Hel Yes to be better in icy conditions, a little more snappy but a little less damp than the Lady FR
– Lady FR will likely feel a good bit stiffer than Hel Yes – like 8/10 flex vs 6/10 flex on the Hel Yes, so will be quite a noticeable difference there.
– Lady FR should feel more stable at speed – and a faster board overall
– Hel Yes quicker edge-to-edge at slower speeds and generally better in trees
– Lady FR a little better for powder
– Hel Yes a more “do-it-all” option with it’s more mid-flex and better for the likes of butters, jumps, riding switch etc. Doesn’t sound like you do much of that though?
– Hel Yes a more easy going ride, but it’s still not what I would call playful – it’s still something you can ride quite aggressively, but it’s more forgiving than something like the Lady FR for when you want to ride slower or get lazy/casual
With regards to the delaminating thing. I have heard this from a few people as well. I haven’t had the issue with my own YES board, which I’ve owned for a few seasons now, so I don’t think it’s always, but I have heard of issues with this from others. If it was a fairly wide-spread issue and they got a lot of complaints and warranty returns, then I imagine they will have done something about it by now. But that is just an assumption.
Hope this helps with your decision
Kate says
Hi Nate!
I’m looking for a new board (and bindings) this year. Been riding 18 years, 5’6, 160lbs. Love to ride blue/black groomers and have been getting into the trees and ungroomed trails a bit more these past couple of years. I currently ride a 147 but am thinking it’s a bit too short for me now. Any thoughts? I was looking at the burton feel good and the jones twin sister but am looking for guidance. For someone who likes to have fun out there carving, riding switch, butters, etc! Thank you!
Nate says
Hi Kate
Thanks for your message.
I would be leaning Twin Sister over the Feelgood, mostly because you mention that you like to butter, which is harder to do on the Feelgood because of its flex. Also, the Twin Sister is a little quicker edge-to-edge at slower speeds, for trees. Yeah, I would say 147 is a little short for you. I would size up a bit. I would put your “standard” all-mountain size at around 152. As an advanced rider, that’s a size you could ride, but I would err a little shorter than that, mostly because you’re so used to a shorter 147. Also, because you do like to ride trees and butter, going a little shorter helps with those things. Longer will give you more stability at speed and float in powder so there’s that tradeoff, but mostly given what you’ve been used to riding I would look at the 149 for the Twin Sister. But if you really wanted to go longer, the 152 isn’t out of range either.
But if you could also let me know your boot size as well, to confirm that sizing.
Kathy Nguyen says
Hi Nate,
I’m in my 40s SB for 2 seasons. I’m 5’0, 120lbs. I’ve been riding Burton Feather 140 (2011), boots STW size 7. I’m a 4-5 level based on your description, able to go down mostly easy and normal blues. I feel like i’m trying so hard to do edge/toe and making turns with the Feather, not sure if it’s my technique or i need a better board 🙂
I’m from the east coast, but visited West 4 times the last 2 years. I would like a board that’s i don’t have to do so much work, I want to just chill down the mountain,
1. NS Infinity 142
2. NS Proto Synthesis 139
3. Capita Paradise
4. Jones Twin
Also, will you recommend a binding to go along with the board?
Thank you !!!
Kathy
Nate says
Hi Kathy
Thanks for your message.
I think at this point you could certainly step up a little bit. The Proto Synthesis might be a little too big a step and the Jones Twin Sister is borderline as well. I think either the Infinity or the Paradise are your best best. For the Paradise I’d go 141. Slightly leaning towards the Infinity just because it’s a little better in icy conditions, which I hear you get quite a bit out East.
For bindings, something around that 5/10 flex would be your best bet. Something like the Flux GS, Burton Escapade (or Burton Scribe would work well too, and cheaper vs the Escapade), Salomon Mirage or Union Women’s Ultra would all be good bets, IMO.
Hope this helps
Kathy Nguyen says
Ah.. thanks Nate…
I’m seriously considering NV Infinity, however, it’s a directional board. Can we still ride switch with it?
Thanks so much for your advice.. You are awesome!
Kathy
Nate says
Hi Kathy
The Infinity is directional twin. So the only thing that makes it directional is that the nose is a little longer outside the contact points than the tail is and there is a 1/2″ setback. Whilst it’s not as suitable as a true twin for riding switch, it’s still fine for riding switching. And it’s the kind of board that’s pretty easy to transition into/out of switch as well.
Kathy Nguyen says
Thank you Nate for taking your time with all our questions! I’m looking forward to a new season … hope you have a blast as well wherever you are snowboarding 🙂
Nate says
You’re very welcome Kathy. Hope you have an awesome season too!
chrissy says
Hey Nate!
First off I apologize if this is a repeat comment- I thought I posted on your Never Summer review but I don’t think it went through because I had poor service but perhaps its just still being moderated. Thanks for being endlessly helpful! You were of great advice last year and I’m hoping to get some further advice this year.
My question is about updating my gear to reflect my goals, ability, and physical characteristics.
Ability– I’d say I’m a solid 4 and working on being a solid 5. I did mostly blue trails in Park City Utah last year. Can link turns S shape, control my speed fairly confidently, working on carving, and working on settling into a more relaxed body position on more challenging courses. My goal is to be able to take on any blue trail with speed, some easy blacks, be able to carve consistently, and be able to fly around with total control while also feeling relaxed as opposed to just holding my shit together and being exhausted after the end of 1 run lol. I don’t intend to do any park, deep powder, or tree runs though I do take annual trips to big western mountains that a fair amount of powder (this year I’m going to either do Whistler, Aspen or Breck). I do need something that is good for icy conditions because I live on the East Coast and my weekend trips are to slopes that can get icier and not a ton of fresh tracks.
Last year I purchased a 142 Lectra, Union Milans and Burton Felix. I rode this set up all season and enjoyed it, progressed on it to my current abilities, but I put on some weight and am now at the top of the weight class. I am 5’3 and 130 and the max weight for the Lectra 142 is 130 (I was 118 when I purchased it). I’m thinking of purchasing another board to account for my skill improvements and my weight gain but I’m having trouble finding a board that isn’t too advanced and also has sizing ranges available for me.
I’ve narrowed it down to the following and would love your insight on which is best or if I’m not considering something that I should…
-Jones Twin Sister 143
-Yes Hello 146 (too long?)
-Never Summer Infinity (145??? I’m a 6.5 boot and I think the waist size is too small at 234– it says its only okay for up to size 6 but is there any wiggle room here?
-Never Summer Proto Synthesis (145– NS says this will be okay for up to size 8.5)
-Feel Good 142– I’ve read in other posts that the FG is pretty aggressive but I’m wondering if I should give it a try if I keep the length on the shorter side (which still fits my weight class also)
I’m struggling to find any other boards that fit my weight class but are also between 143 and 146. What are your thoughts?
Nate says
Hi Chrissy
Thanks for your message.
I wouldn’t get too worried about the weight recommendations. They are a good guide but wouldn’t put everything into them. That said, from what you’re describing about your riding, going longer than your current board is probably a good idea and certainly sounds like you’re ready to upgrade. However, I would still be a little wary of going to something like the Feelgood or even the Proto Synthesis. The Hello and Infinity are your best bets at your level, IMO. The Twin Sister is doable as well.
Size-wise, generally speaking I would put you at 146 for your “standard” length, but this assumes a more advanced level. That said, with something like the Hello you can probably get away with the 146. But I wouldn’t go any longer than that. The Infinity in 145 would be a good bet, IMO. With 6.5s I doubt you’ll have any issues with it being too narrow. To consider it up to 6 for boot size is really conservative. And when you look at the 148 it only has a 2mm wider waist and that goes up to 8.5. So again, I wouldn’t put too much stock in that. For 6.5s I would be extremely surprised if it was too narrow for you. For the Twin Sister I think the 143 would be the best bet.
The Rossignol Airis, in the 143, would also be a good option.
Hope this helps
Chrissy says
Thanks! This is very helpful! You really are an internet saint for managing this site. I’ve been reading your various articles and reviews all week.
I hope you’ll oblige my last question… do you think there are advantages for one’s progression to buying a stiffer or more “intermediate” all mountain board with a hybrid profile vs. sticking with a soft “beginner” all mountain board for a rider like me that’s really just looking to become more confident in the intermediate skills, carve and cruise?
I’ll look for a longer new board either way, I’m just wondering if if I’m a little too excited to put myself in that intermediate category lol and then going to set myself back in my progression.
Nate says
Hi Chrissy
That’s a great question. From what I’m hearing, you’re at a stage that you can step it up a bit. I just wouldn’t step too far at once. Going with something like the Hello or Infinity is going to help you progress but won’t (IMO) be too big a leap. Going to a board like that should help you to naturally progress without setting your self back. Now, if you were to go to a really stiff, full camber board right now, then there’s a good chance it would be too much and you’d set yourself back and probably knock your confidence in the process. But going to one of those boards I think is a really good next step – and could potentially even be a final step – or at least the only step you need to take for a long time to get you to where you want to be and you may not ever need or want to go to a more aggressive board past that. But definitely worth moving up to something like the Hello or Infinity from the likes of the Lectra, when you feel you’re ready. Doesn’t have to be right now, but from what you’re describing, I think you’d be ready for that next step.
Chrissy says
Thanks Nate! I will follow up— hopefully with good news and positive progressions! !
Nate says
You’re very welcome Chrissy. Looking forward to hear how you get on!
Chrissy says
Hey Nate! Back again. I’ve 99% decided on the Twin Sister 143. It seems like my best bet for edge hold in icier conditions. But I’m just noticing how wide the waist is. Should I at all be concerned at the width given my profile (5’3, 130, 6.5 boot)
Nate says
Hi Chrissy
The Twin Sister is a wider board – and it is wide for 6.5s, IMO. Which is why sizing to 143 makes sense for you. In the case of the Twin Sister, even if you were at an advanced level (in which case, I would consider your best length to be 146) I would still size down to the 143, because of the width. In your case, I think sizing to the 143 is still sizing down enough to counter that extra width. The 140 is a possibility though if you’re really concerned about that width. Or a narrower board, if it’s concerning. Typically when a board is too wide for your feet it becomes a little more effort to maneuver and slows down your edge-to-edge transitions. But shorter boards are easier to maneuver, so you can compensate for a too wide board by going shorter. But if you’d prefer to keep it narrower but a bit longer, then there are other good options, like we discussed.
Chrissy says
Hey Nate! Just wanted to let you know I Got the twin sister 143 and I took it out twice now to this indoor place near me that has a nice slope and park and I love it! I was worried it was going to feel too advanced for me but it really feels perfect. Loose and maneuverable but stable. I was able to keep working on my carves. I’m really happy. Thanks for all your work that you do in helping people make these decisions!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Chrissy – and awesome to hear that the Twin Sister is treating you well.
Irene says
Hey Nate!
I’ve been looking for a new snowboard recently and was wondering what your thoughts are on the Ride Saturday Snowboard? I live in Ontario so most of the time it’s quite icy, and I usually just stick to resorts. I’m considering the 150 but I’m not sure if that’s too long for me. I am 5’3 and 147 pounds. Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Irene
Thanks for your message.
In terms of sizing, I think the 150 would work – but if you could let me know your boot size as well, as I like to take that into account. Also, if you can let me know your rough ability level – as that can play a part in sizing too.
For icy conditions, I haven’t found Ride boards to be amazing in general. Nothing bad in icy conditions or anything, but if that was a big factor for you, there are better options for icy conditions, IMO.
Hope this helps
Bruce says
Hi, I have been reading your website alot lately learning about all the differences in boards. Still have some questions with sizings.
I would like to get a new board for my wife. Maybe a clearance or wait until next year’s models. She has snowboarded for 25+ years. She has been riding the same Burton Troop since 2001 though. She feels comfortable on the board, but I think she would excel even more on a new one. We mainly ride in Tahoe. We look for black diamond tree runs the most. If they are ridable we stay in the trees all day, esp with some powder. If we are on groomed trails we will bomb them. She is 5’8 140ish lbs. Small feet though 6 1/2-7. Current snowboard is a 157. Everything I’m reading says she should probably be on a smaller board? But doesn’t seem like she is having an issue turning the board through the trees.
If I got her a new board should I go smaller, where she may actually be able to maneuver even better and just doesn’t know she can? Or just stick with the longer board she is used to?
Seems like the hel yes line may be up her alley?
Thanks for all the info on the site. Lots of little intricacies like surfboards.
Nate says
Hi Bruce
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, I think going smaller is a good idea. For a rider with her experience and specs, taking into account that she likes to ride trees a lot, I wouldn’t recommend going longer than 150 typically. Because she’s used to riding something that long, I think she could go a little longer than that – but I would still size down, and I think she will notice better maneuverability in the trees. Also given her foot size, going a little narrower would help with maneuverability as well.
I think the Hel Yes would work well. Typically I would say go 149 – but in this case she might find it feels too short, coming from the 157, so I’d be leaning 152. I wouldn’t go to the 155 though.
Hope this helps with your decision
Bruce says
Thanks for the response and information. Will look for a 152, might have to wait for next seasons boards. There is a Yes Hello, but I think she would want the more aggressive Hel Yes. Will keep talking with her.
I’ll be asking a question for myself. But I’ll post it on a different page to keep it uniform if my information lines up with someone else. Thanks again
Nate says
You’re very welcome Bruce. I see your other post there. Will go and take a look at it now.
Georgia says
Hey Nate,
Thanks for your website – this informations amazing. I’ve been debating between boards but can’t find a shop to demo everything without spending hundreds so I figured I’d ask here.
I’m 5’3, 115 lbs and live in Colorado, started snowboarding a few months ago and feel I am now outgrowing my Burton Progression board, 137 cm (bought as a used rented board) with the amount I start to chatter at high speeds. I enjoy groomers the most, and also want a board I can hang with my friends on moguls with (maneuverable).. I never ride the park. I’m late beginner/intermediate – currently on the blues, likely trying some black diamonds next week. I snowboard at least weekly, so hoping to continue a progression without outgrowing a new board in the coming season.
I was considering the Never Summer Infinity board, if 142 cm isn’t too large, and also was considering the Burton Yeasayer. I did demo the Capita Birds of a Feather camber board today and didn’t like it – too stiff, or at least coming off my little rocker progression board it felt that way. Another thought was the Burton Feelgood Flying V, I’ve ruled out the camber version after looking at your reviews recommending that to more advanced riders. Any help would be appreciated!
Nate says
Hi Georgia
Thanks for your message.
Yeah the BOAF is a more aggressive board. I think you would likely have preferred the Paradise from Capita. Yeah Burton Feelgood even more stiff and aggressive versus the BOAF, so wouldn’t go there.
The Yeasayer and Feelgood Flying definitely possibilities though. But the Infinity is a good choice. And I think the 142 could work for you. I would put you at around 143 for your “standard all-mountain” length. So 142 is pretty spot on. That does assume a relatively advanced level, and as a beginner sizing down is a good idea, but given that you’re a higher end beginner and the Infinity is still an easy going board (but still going to certianly give you more performance than the Burton Progression), I don’t think you’ll find the 142 too big. But if you could let me know your boot size (also important for sizing) to confirm.
If you were to go Yeasayer or Feelgood Flying V, I would be looking at:
Yeasayer: 140
Feelgood Flying V: 142 – it’s the shortest in that board – depending on your boot size, the Infinity might be the better size with the Feelgood Flying V being a bit wider.
Hope this helps
Georgia says
Hey Nate,
Awesome, thanks for the quick reply and advice! I use K2 boots, size 7.5 if that helps!
Nate says
Hi Georgia
Thanks for the extra info.
You should be good on the width of any of those, though I would be leaning 142 Infinity or the 140 Yeasayer, because the combination of width and length and the fact that it’s stiffer than the others, makes the Feelgood Flying V potentially a little advanced in that size. In a smaller size, I think it could work for you, but in this case I would be erring 142 Infinity or 140 Yeasayer.
Georgia says
Hey Nate,
To follow up, I ended up getting the Never Summer Infinity (142cm) and it’s perfect! Definitely a different board than my Burton Progression, but in all the right ways. It can hold up speed, yet I can still get my jumps off and maneuver well. Appreciate your help, great advice!
Nate says
Hi Georgia
Thanks for the update. And awesome to hear that the Infinity is treating you well!
Lizzie Wakeham says
Hi Nate,
Thank you for all your advice on this website – it is so much help!
Wonder if I, like so many others, can pick your brain for recommendations on buying a board?
I’ve just invested in a Burton step on set – Felix step on boots, UK size 8 (US size 10) after running my old salmon boots into the ground, and am looking for a board.
I’m 170cm, 68kg, probably intermediate level 5.
I spend most of my time on piste, but do like to have fun (mostly falling over) with a little off piste and doing a few small jumps in the park towards the end of the week.
I mainly want to progress my carving and confidence with speed. But I would love to be able to do a little more off piste and in the park.
I love the look of the Jones Twin sister, or Dream Catcher. Also really like the Gnu Ladies choice.
I’ve not owned a board before so not 100% on sizing but I feel hired boards have been in the 145-149 range. Though online calculations seem to come out at 151.
What would you recommend?
Thank you in advance for your advice!
Nate says
Hi Lizzie
Thanks for your message.
I think one of those would work well for what you’re describing. I would be leaning Twin Sister or Dream Catcher, since you do want to include park. You can ride the Dream Catcher in the park, but not as good as the other 2 there. The Dream Catcher is better for powder, so if you think you will get a fair bit of powder when off piste, then that’s a consideration, but the Twin Sister and Ladies Choice aren’t bad in powder, and unless the powder is quite deep, you want notice the difference that much.
Size-wise, I would put you on around a 152 as your “standard all-mountain” size, but this assumes an advanced level, so you could certainly come down a bit from that. Something in that 148-151 range, I think would work well. So for the Twin Sister, I would be leaning 149 and for the Ladies Choice, the 148.5. If you went Dream Catcher, then I’d go 151 – it’s a board you can ride a little longer, so it’s more similar to most boards 148/149.
In terms of width, the Ladies Choice might be borderline too narrow. If you were going to ride with +15/-15 binding angles, then I think it will be fine and you might be fine anyway but pushing it a little. The Twin Sister is wider than it looks just based on the waist width, so I don’t think you’d have any issues width wise. Same with the Dream Catcher, it should be wide enough in the 151.
Hope this helps
Lizzie says
Thank you so much Nate that’s really helpful!
I had wondered about width for the Ladies Choice (as I have big feet!), so I think I’ll go for one of the other two.
I’ve found Twin Sister in 149 and Dream Catcher in 151 – they are similar in price. You’ve said Dream catcher is better in powder, but otherwise would you recommend one over the other?
Thanks again!
Nate says
Hi Lizzie
Overall I would recommend the Twin Sister over the Dream Catcher, but if you were looking for something more directional and better in powder, then the Dream Catcher is that, but otherwise, I’d be more inclined to go Twin Sister.
Avery says
Hi Nate,
Great list! I appreciate the insight.
I am an intermediate to advanced rider looking for a new board. I’m an east coast rider, so icy terrain and tight glades are often the conditions. I like to charge groomers and get nice carves as well as mess around in the off-piste, so I am looking for something stable at high speeds but also playful . I am considering the Yes Hel Yes! in 149 or the Solomon Rumble Fish 148. In case this extra bit of info helps, I used to ride a Rossignol Diva 147. I found it fun, but not great at high speed or carves.
Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer!
Nate says
Hi Avery
Thanks for your message.
I think both of those boards would work well for what you’re describing. I would say the Hel Yes a little better in terms of icy conditions, but the Rumble Fish still good there.
Size-wise, it’s hard to say without your specs, but if your biggest complaint about the 147 in the Diva was that it wasn’t good at speed or carves, then I don’t think the 149 Hel Yes or 148 Rumble Fish would be too long. Would be happy to make a more accurate sizing suggestion, but would just need your height, weight and boot size.
Hope this helps
Avery says
Hi Nate,
I am leaning a bit more towards the Hel Yes at the moment. I am 5’7” and 135lbs with a size 8 boots. My bindings are ride vxn in medium, they are set up with lean to be more aggressive when descending . I tend to ride with a bit more of a sumo stance (15 in the back and 20 in the front). I am looking at the 149 or the 152 for the Yes Hel Yes.
A bit of a side note, do you know anything about the Bataleon Storm? I like the idea of the camber profile, but I’ve never ridden a board with 3BT tech.
Thanks, I appreciate the help!
Nate says
Hi Avery
I would be leaning 149, I think it’s spot on for your specs.
I have only ridden one Bataleon board to date – which was the Bataleon Whatever. I really enjoyed it but the 3BT was very noticeable – and even though it was a full camber profile it didn’t feel like it at all. The 3BT definitely makes a difference and makes it a looser feel than what you’d expect from full camber.
Glenn says
Jumping in here since I’m basically looking for the same thing. I’m a short guy at 130ish lbs boot size is 6.5/7 can’t remember but the exact same style of riding. Was considering the hel yes, Jones flagship and gnu Barrett. Trying to understand differences and potential best sizing. I’m coming from a boys 147 nitro demand gullwing profile if that helps, not opposed to camber designs but still want some play so I can be slow with my daughter who’s learning.
Nate says
Hi Glenn
Thanks for your message.
I think the Hel Yes would give you the best balance of being playful but still good when it comes to wanting to ride it faster and a little more aggressively. The other 2 would work but harder to ride slow, particularly the Flagship. My instinct is Hel Yes in this case.
Size-wise, you could stretch it to 152, but I think the 149 would be your best bet.
Hope this helps with your decision
Deborah says
Hi Nate,
I’m a high level intermediate rider who mostly likes to charge hard. I prefer a stiffer board for aggressive turns, with good pop for hitting all the little burns in my path. I don’t ride park anymore (been riding for 25 years) mostly looking for vertical feet and speed, which means I like stability and no chatter under me. Groomers, off piste, trees, the occasional boarder cross course, and powder when we have it.
I was in Tahoe this weekend and demoed 3 boards.
1. Capita Birds of a Feather 148 which felt too soft for me but was certainly playful and very easy to maneuver. It did not do well with high speeds.
2. Burton Yeahsayer 148 -felt too wide for my taste and not super responsive- plus was “grabby” and slow on traverses.
3. Burton Feelgood Camber 149 – LOVED this, being lean and nimble, and super stable at high speeds. I tried to buy it but was then told it was out of stock in my size and I can’t find the 149 online anywhere so back to the drawing board.
I’m curious what you would recommend. I’m 5’6 and 130 lbs. and wear a size 8 boot.
I’ve been looking into the Rossignol Diva which sounds up my alley but doesn’t seem to get much love or have many reviews, wondering why? What else might be out there for me.
Also, I rode the Union Trilogy bindings this weekend. They were too soft for my taste. My old setup had the Knidecker carbon fiber high backs. I’ve been reading about the Now Condas, do you think they’re worth the money? If not, what other bindings do you recommend? I’m riding this seasons Ride Hera boots.
Thanks in advance for your recommendations.
Nate says
Hi Deborah
Thanks for your message.
As I was reading through your comment, I kept thinking Burton Feelgood – and then it turns out you did try it and like it. Shame you can’t find it in your size.
The Arbor Swoon Camber would be an option. It’s not quite as stiff and aggressive as the Burton Feelgood, but it’s on the more aggressive side.
I think the Diva could work. It’s on the stiffer side. But it’s not full camber – there’s some rocker tip and tail. Also it’s a true twin board – so what I would consider more all-mountain-freestyle – not that that’s necessarily a bad thing and could certainly still work for you. It seems to be hard to find Rossignol boards to test these days unfortunately – they don’t seem to give their snowboard department as much love as their ski department, so generally means less reviews on them.
Another option that I think would be really worth looking at is the Jones Airheart. Even better if you could wait for the Airheart 2.0 – which is going to go to full camber – but it’s not out yet – it’s a 2023 model. But I think you’d really like that. Of course if you could wait until then you could also look at the 23 Feelgood. I rode the Aviator 2.0 (men’s equivalent) recently and I think it’s a board that would suit what you’re describing really well. But even the Airheart 2022 (non 2.0) would be worth looking into.
Another one is the Burton Talent Scout. It’s a stiffer, full camber board. It’s true twin – and more on the all-mountain-freestyle spectrum as well, but it’s something to consider.
For bindings, I’m not sure you’d find the Conda any stiffer than the Trilogy. I would look at the Flux GX or Burton Lexa X. There will be others from brands that I don’t currently test, but those are the stiffer/better stiff women’s bindings I would recommend.
Hope this helps with your search/decision
Ana says
Hi Nate,
Love the community you have here, and hoping to get some recommendations on my first board 🙂
I’m an intermediate rider that has snowboarded for 5 seasons (~1 week per season). One of the seasons I’ve done a week with lessons every day.
I don’t love speed (always feel too unstable, although I’m working on it) and prefer to play around in blues. I’ve been carving more this season, like to go over the occasional jump on the side, try switching every now and then. I don’t see myself going too big into park but like to dream of it.
Looking for an all-mountain that fits resort, powder, as well as icier mountains. In a season I’m lucky enough to get a bit of everything.
I’m 5’2”, 110lbs and size 7 women.
I was looking into the CAPiTA Birds of a Feather (although can only find size 144 and I’m not sure that’s the right for me) and Rossignol Airis Snowboard (able to find size 143).
Unfortunately can’t find the Yes. Hello my size either.
Any thoughts on the above models and respective sizes, or any other options you recommend?
Thanks heaps!
Ana
Nate says
Hi Ana
Thanks for your message.
I think the Airis in 143 is doable – and the board certainly fits everything you’re describing, IMO, but ideally something around 139-141 length-wise would be best for your specs, IMO. But Airis 143 isn’t far off, so it’s an option. But you could also check out:
– Jones Twin Sister 140
– Salomon Wonder 140
Hope this helps
Ana says
Thank you very much for your message, Nate!
Yeah… I was having a hard time finding something in the 139-141 and that’s why I was going a bit over, but these options are great.
Appreciate your help,
Ana
Nate says
You’re very welcome Ana. If you think of it at the time, let me know what you go with. Happy riding!
Konka says
Hi Nate,
Your comment is really helpful! I have a similar scenario here. I am 5’2 and weight at 105/106 lbs. shoe size is 5.5 or 6.
I have been snowboarding for a year and my current board is GNU gloss 140 that has 233 mm waist width. I really like this board because its nimble, easy to turn but its kinda unstable when I go fast downhill or in icy condition. I am located at Seattle and sometimes it does get pretty powdery and this board does not perform well on deep snow since its pretty narrow.
I think I am beginner to intermediate level. I enjoy carving a lot and mostly on blue runs. I occasionally try out black runs too. So I am looking for maybe getting a new board that is more stable, better at carving and easier on powdery condition.
currently looking at a few of these options based on your comments
Jones Twin Sister 143 (a little worried about the width)
YES Hello 146 (same concern about the width)
CAPITA THE EQUALIZER 146
Do you have any advice? What would you think?
Nate says
Hi Konka
Thanks for your message.
I know you’re looking for more stability and float in powder, so I get wanting to go longer, but I wouldn’t go much more than 141/142 for your specs. With something like the Hello, unfortunately I don’t think there’s a suitable size option with the 146 being the smallest size. The Twin Sister works but I would size to the 140. It’s not any longer than your Gloss, but even in the same length, it will be noticeably more stable. And it’s noticeably wider too – so you are going to get more surface area. That and it’s more suited to powder anyway.
The Equalizer is narrower, but I still wouldn’t go to the 146 length. The 142 would be more suitable. It’s not going to be any wider than you’re existing board, but with that extra length you do get a little more surface area – and it’s naturally more suited to powder anyway. And again, it would be considerably more stable in exactly the same size as your gloss, so I don’t think you need to go as long as 146 (IMO you the trade off for loss of maneuverability would likely not be worth it).
Hope this helps
Emily says
Hi, Nate!
This website has been so helpful in deciding what to buy. Thank you!
I am a level 5 rider, 5’9″, 155-160 lbs, size 8-8.5 feet (8.5 in most shoes but recently rented a Burton board with size 8 boots and it was very comfortable). I have boarded for 20 years on the same K2 board (153) but recently had a baby and don’t fit into those boots now so it’s time for an upgrade! I live in Colorado and spend most of my time on groomers. I have experimented with park features in the past and want to be able to try again but that’s not where I spend most of my time. I board primarily with skiers and am eyeing the Burton step on bindings so that I’m not holding my family back. I am not sure which board to go with, though. The Yes. Hello 152, Rossignol Airis 152, CAPiTA Paradise 149, and Jones Dream Catcher 151 have all caught my eye. The Twin Sister (149 or 152) has also piqued my interest but I’m worried that it is a bit too aggressive for me. Despite having boarded for 20 years, I’m still fairly timid. I’m hoping that I feel more confident with a new board but don’t want to take on anything too aggressive. I really appreciate any guidance you are able to give!
Nate says
Hi Emily
Thanks for your message.
For what you’re describing, I would be leaning YES Hello 152 or Rossignol Airis 152. The Paradise would be fine too, and I think the 149 is doable for you, but I think 152 is a more optimal size and you have that option in the Hello and Airis.
The Dream Catcher and Twin Sister are also doable, but they are a bit of a step up (Twin Sister is more mellow than it used to be – and is as mellow or maybe even more so than the Dream Catcher). You could size the Twin Sister to 149, which would help to make it more easy going. But even the 152 is doable. I wouldn’t call it super aggressive or anything, so I don’t think it (or the Dream Catcher) would be a wrong choice, but based on how you describe your riding, I would be leaning Hello or Airis.
Hope this helps
Mike says
Hi Nate,
I almost feel bad asking you to repeat your comments to each slightly different set of inputs. However having spent the entire weekend analysing the options, I decide it’s best to ask your forgiveness and advise.
I’m springing for a new board for my daughter post lock down.
She’s had her current board (Roxy Ollie pop 141) since 12 yo, she’s 17 in April. We missed 2021 due to lock down.
We snowboard mainly in Europe on groomed pistes that are icey in the morning and slightly slushy in the afternoon.
We tend to get 2 weeks on the slopes – Feb and April.
Feb = lots of snow and powder days
April = groomers and some off piste if we are lucky
Using your levels she is a solid 5/6 intermediate. Just starting 180’s and enjoying off piste.
She’s 5’5, 138 and US size 7 – not likely to grow much taller.
Using your “Best all-mountain” list, I was trying to figure if the Hel Yes was too much board and we should go for the Yes Hello and then whether to go up to the 149 or stay with 146.
Although not on your list, as a Lib Tech fan, I looked at the Dynamiss (her brother has an orca). Happy to look at Capita as well…
Help appreciated,
Yours,
Mike
Nate says
Hi Mike
Thanks for your message.
I think she’ll probably be fine with the Hel Yes for the level you’re describing. The Hello would work too, but the Hel Yes should be OK I think. In terms of sizing, probably 146, but 149 isn’t out of range either. I would put her on roughly a 149 as her “standard all-mountain” size, which assumes an advanced level. Not a bad idea to size down a little for intermediate, but you don’t have to. Also, it kind of depends on her strength. Often kids that age haven’t quite found their strength, so erring a little smaller makes sense. However, if she’s quite strong/athletic, then 149 should be fine.
I would say the Dynamiss is slightly more advanced than the Hel Yes – I found the Dynamo quite forgiving, but my women’s board tester found the Dynamiss quite stiff and not super catchy, but a little catchy. Could look at something like the Lib Tech No.43 or GNU Ladies Choice – though not as good in powder – or the GNU Ravish – more suited powder, but not as suited to freestyle stuff.
From Capita I’d look at the Paradise. The Equalizer is doable if you wanted something more freeride and less freestyle oriented.
Hope this helps
Jo says
Hello,
Ive been riding for about 2 years, Michigan so not too much powder. IO tried the Burton Feelgood camber a few rimes and it is way too aggressive for me. I’m looking into buying a new board and am stumped. I love to carve, and am stuggling with my s-turns, the feelgood is not forgiving at all. I’m 5’6 125lbs 7.5 boot. Help me 🙂 please. Thank you.
Nate says
Hi Jo
Thanks for your message.
The Feelgood is not a forgiving board for sure, it’s quite aggressive.
If you’re looking for something quite a bit more forgiving, then I’d look at the following, if you still want it to be decent for powder:
– YES Hello
– Rossignol Airis
If you want it to be more forgiving but not too forgiving – like just taking the edge off the aggressiveness (or said another way – something that’s not overly aggressive but also not overly playful), but still want OK powder, then:
– YES Hel Yes
– Jones Twin Sister
– Arbor Swoon Rocker
Or if you’re not concerned about powder, then you could also look at:
>>My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboards
With the Niche Nightshade and Lib Tech Ryme being on the more aggressive side – but certainly not as aggressive as the Burton Feelgood camber.
Hope this helps
Jules says
Hi Nate,
Thanks so much for your website! I wish I could just go and test out all kinds of boards like you – what a dream! But unfortunately I live too far away from the mountains now. So thanks for sharing your knowledge!!
I’d love to get your input as I’m not 100% happy with my current board choices. I’ve been riding for over 25 years, so consider myself pretty advanced and love speed and carving. As I’m the only snowboarder among all my friends and family, I mostly stick to groomers but love the occasional powder and off-piste day when it happens. I’m 5.4”/110lbs/7.5 Salomon Ivy. My knees only allow for a 490mm stance (+21/-5).
Spent 10 years on a 144 Feelgood Flying V – nice board but hate the chatter at high speed and lack of edge grip on ice – so I now sized up to a new 146 Feelgood traditional camber. It’s nice and super sturdy but after 7 days on not-so-great alpine snow conditions my knees hurt… I also have a 2018 148 GNU Klassy (145 was sold out at the time) which is absolutely wonderful on East coast hard pack but sometimes difficult to maneuver around moguls. Wondering if I should get something different for my CO trip in February? The Hel Yes sounds phenomenal based on your reviews but I believe my size is already sold out. Would the Yes Hello be too soft for my style? Any input on the Libtech/GNU options like Ladies Choice, Barrett, Ravish and which size? I have several Burton Lexas but happy to try out other bindings if you recommend it.
Thanks again!
Cheers,
Jules
Nate says
Hi Jules
Thanks for your message. And yeah, it’s pretty sweet to be able to test so many boards (and bindings and boots, etc), but that’s definitely what we’re here for – to give as accurate a comparison between boards, to make decisions easier for those that can’t try (or don’t want to, or simply don’t want to try the shear number that we do).
Firstly, in terms of sizing, I’d typically say more around 142/143 for your specs, but given that you’re used to riding a little longer, 145/146 should be all good. Though, I’m not surprised you find the 148 Klassy difficult to maneuver in tight spaces.
I agree that the Hel Yes would have been a great option, if you could find it in the 146 – but anything else would be too big, IMO. The Hello probably too soft for how you describe your riding, IMO.
Given you like the Klassy and that you like speed and carving, I would be leaning towards the Barrett (146) from GNU. The Ladies Choice probably not enough in terms of speed for what you’re describing and the Ravish I feel might be a little too playful as well – given the C2 (more rocker than camber) profile and a softer flex.
The Barrett isn’t super stiff or anything either. I would say 6.5/10. A little softer than the Feelgood camber. I linked to our review of it above, if you wanted to look at more details.
Another option to look at for a good all-rounder, is the Jones Twin Sister. I would typically say go 143, but you could 146 too.
I think one of the Hel Yes, Barrett or Twin Sister would be a good bet for something that can carve, ride fast but still be a little bit forgiving, so you’re not having to ride it hard every second, like something like the Feelgood camber – but with better edgehold etc than the Feelgood Flying V and in a better size than the 148 Klassy.
The Lexas should work fine for any of those options. If you were being really fussy, you could move up to the Lexa X for the Barrett (or something like the Union Legacy or Union Trilogy) – or even the Hel Yes or Twin Sister, but the Lexa will be all good, IMO, so no need to change bindings.
Hope this helps with your decision
Jules says
You’re amazing, thanks so much for the super quick reply! All of that makes sense – and I’ve been doing some digging, but it seems that the 146 Barrett and Hel Yes are sold out nationwide. I might be able to get the 143 or 146 Twin Sister locally – my only concern is that the ref stance is listed at 53cm with no set back. Would that work for my 48-49cm stance without messing up control over the board? And if you have any other suggestions where to look for boards, or alternative boards I should check out, let me know 🙂
Nate says
Hi Jules
Jones always have super wide reference stances. I almost always bring my stance in with Jones boards. For my size, the reference stance is typically 60cm (23.6″) but I always bring that back to 56cm (22″). So if you move both bindings in one hole from reference, you can achieve a 49cm stance. Being one hole in from reference won’t mess up the feel of the board – and it’s better to be at your more comfortable stance width.
Also note that the Twin Sister does have a setback stance. This has been confusing with the Twin Sister (and Mountain Twin) for years. There is a “centered stance” and a “freeride stance” also labelled on the board. The centered stance is as it sounds – “centered” along the effective edge. Still a 5mm setback on the overall length of the board as the nose is 10mm longer than tail. The centered stance is 51cm wide, as it’s achieved by moving the back binding towards the center one set of holes. The reference stance has a setback of 20mm and the freeride stance (achieved by moving the front binding back one set of holes) has a 40mm setback.
Jules says
Super helpful advice as always! Thanks, Nate! I purchased a 143 Twin Sister and will report back from the slopes when I get there 🙂
Nate says
You’re very welcome Jules. Look forward to hearing how you get on!
Damla says
Hi Nate,
Hope you are enjoying the holidays, thank you for the very informative reviews and responses! I am a beginner level 3 based on your descriptions. I am mostly a resort boarder. I am 5ft4 and and 110-115ibs and my boot size is 7.5. I will be using a step on binding/boots. Would the Capita Paradise be too aggressive for me? I want something relatively versatile in icy/powder/slushy conditions. Also, what size board should I get, I was thinking 141, 143, or 145?
Thank you, looking forward to your advice!
Nate says
Hi Damla
Thanks for your message.
I think ideally you’d be level 4 beginner or up for the Paradise, but you could ride it at as a level 3 at a push.
Size-wise, I would say your standard all mountain size is around 143, assuming a relatively advanced level. As a beginner, I would size to the 141 or 139 though. The 141 should be fine and I think the 139 could be pushing it too narrow for your boots. Would probably get away with it, but I think the 141 should work anyway.
It’s not super good for icy conditions, but doable.
Hope this helps with your decision
Damla says
Thank you Nate, this is very helpful! I have actually also been considering Emoticon (143) after reading that your wife likes it a lot and it’s very versatile and great in icy conditions. Do you think that Emoticon might be a better fit given my level? I want a board that will help me progress but also one that I can grow into and use for a considerable time. I’m also happy to take other suggestions (I was looking into GNU Velvet)!
Nate says
Hi Damla
The Emoticon would be a great board for your level and something that you can still ride as you grow more advanced. My only concern there would be the size. It’s at the high-end of size for you, IMO. But the board is a better fit for your level, IMO.
The Velvet is a bit more of step up – more on par with the Paradise, in terms of level. If you were to go Velvet, I’d say go 139. Problem there though, is that it’s probably too narrow for your boots. And I would go 143 Emoticon or 141 Paradise before I went 143 Velvet.
Damla says
Hi Nate, wishing you a happy new year!! This is extremely helpful, I will go with 143 in Emoticon based on your advise.
Nate says
You’re very welcome Damla. Happy new and happy riding!
Tiffany says
Hi Nate, thanks for your wealth of information here! Feels like the more I learn, the more confusing it is to pick a board out.
I am an int-adv rider, and I’ve been riding a Burton Social 142 for the past 8 years (same board I learned on), with Burton Citizen bindings. I’m 5’3″, 125lbs, size 6 boot. I’ve been looking at all mountain boards (or maybe a freeride board?). I love going off-piste, finding powder stashes, cruising moguls and trees, and prefer steeps over speed. I don’t go near the park, and generally dislike groomers (partly for the amount of people, and partly because I don’t feel confident with speed). I’m in Colorado where conditions range from icy to deep powder. At this point in my riding, its hard to tell if it is my beginner set up or my skill level that is holding me back from advancing.
I am torn between an all mountain board and freeride board. I want a board that can hold an edge and handle speed well, but is still nimble enough for moguls and the trees. Any insight you can offer is much appreciated!
Thanks again, Tiffany
Nate says
Hi Tiffany
Thanks for your message. Lots of options that fit what you’re describing, but let’s see what we can narrow it down to.
I think you could definitely do a freeride board. By the sounds of how you ride, I think a freeride board that’s not overly stiff would work well. An all-mountain board would work too.
In terms of size, I would say something around 145 for your specs, assuming a fairly advanced level. But given your boot size, most boards are going to be wide for your boots at that length, so I would size down a little from there, depending on the width of the board.
First board that came to mind was the Capita Equalizer – a freeride bordering on all-mountain board, that’s nimble. It’s also quite narrow. It would be a debate between the 142 and 146. The 146 would be the more stable at speed size, but the 142 would be more nimble. So it kind of depends which you value more. Even though it’s the same length as your social, the Equalizer would still be more stable at speed in the 142 than your 142 Social. It’s stiffer (but not super stiff) and has a good bit of camber in the profile versus the V Rocker of the Social.
Some others that could work:
Burton Story Board 142: It’s wide for your boots, but sizing to 142, it should be OK. Probably not going to be as nimble as the Equalizer 142, but likely a little more stable at speed. And certainly more stable at speed than the Social. The advantage of this over something like the Feelgood camber, is you get that rocker at the nose for better powder float.
Jones Twin Sister 143: Again, it’s wide for your boots, but not overly long, so I think it could work. Because of width I wouldn’t go as long as 146 on this one.
Never Summer Infinity 142 or 145: Same kind of debate as with the Equalizer as to which size to choose. This is a narrower board, so I think it would work well with your foot size.
Never Summer Lady West 142 or 144: A little more advanced than the Infinity and more freeride than the all-mountain infinity, but sizing works well, IMO. A little stiffer, so it depends on how stiff you’d want to go
My instinct says Equalizer or Infinity/Lady West. Between the last 2, kind of depends on how directional you wanted to go and how stiff you wanted to go.
Hope this helps with your decision
Sunshine says
Hi Nate,
I’ve been looking for new board and found your page… leaning so much and very helpful!
I’m 5′, 110lb, boots size 6. intermediate rider. I currently ride burton feel good small 140.( I realized that its too wide for me) I would like to try more buttering, spinning tricks and jumps. no so much of powder since i usually ride smaller hills.
what do you think of these boards?
never summer infinity 142
never summer ProtoSynthesis 139
do you think ProtoSynthesis would be too aggressive for me?
infinity 142 would be too long for tricks on the ground?
let me know what you think!
Thanks so much
Nate says
Hi Sunshine
Thanks for your message.
The Proto Synthesis (PS) is the more aggressive board, for sure. But it’s also more suited to the things you’re describing. That said, the Infinity would be absolutely fine for those things. Size-wise, the PS is the better size in 139 for you, IMO versus the 142 for the Infinity. I think you’d get away with the size of the Infinity in general, but because you’re looking to get more freestyle oriented, ideally a little smaller.
You could also look at the GNU Ladies Choice (139.5, which is nice and narrow) which isn’t as aggressive as the PS. But from those 2, I would be leaning PS.
Hope this helps with your decision
Sunshine says
thanks so much for your reply! hearing from you really helps!
I think I’m leaning to PS. GNU ladies Choice sounds good though.
Now i have a question for bindings. I have burton boots so thinking about
burton Escapade or Lexa.
which one would be better? I’m guessing Lexa X would be too stiff?
looking forward to hear from you again!
thanks so much!
Nate says
Hi Sunshine
The Lexa and Escapade would both suit either board well, IMO. I would be leaning Escapade, but Lexa definitely isn’t a wrong choice for those boards. But yeah, I’d say Lexa X a little too stiff.
Sunshine says
Thanks so much for taking your time.
I’m super excited to get a board that actually fit me!
THANK YOU!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Sunshine. Hope it treats you well. If you think of it at the time let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow. Happy riding!
Kat McNeill says
Hi Nate,
This review has been so helpful! Thanks you! Wondering if you could help me figure out sizing… I’m a high-intermediate level rider and I’m upgrading from a 138cm board I’ve had since middle school. I mostly ride in Colorado and Utah and do a bit of everything (including switch). I’m looking at the Jones Twin Sister or the Yes Hello but am not really sure which size would be best. I think you said somewhere the twin sister is somewhat wide and I have smaller feet… I’m 5’4, 135lbs, size 6.5 feet. Also do you have any binding recommendations for either of the two boards? Thanks so much!
Nate says
Hi Kat
Thanks for your message.
I would say something around 146 would be just right for you, if it was a good width. But given your foot size, those boards will be on the wider side. Particularly the Twin Sister. So I would go 143 for the Twin Sister. If you went Hello, you’d have to go 146. It’s certainly still within your range, but it’s on the bigger end of your range, because of the combination of length and width. But still doable. But between the two, I would be leaning 143 Twin Sister, just because I think it’s the better size.
Hope this helps
Tasha says
Hi Nate
I apologize if I am repeating myself. I thought I wrote you before but can’t find any comment from me or answer from you. Anyway, I would love quick advice from you!
I have been snowboarding since I was in high school and am in my 40s now, so pretty experienced/advanced rider. I used to live in Tahoe but now I am in NYC so only ride a few times a year when we go on our annual trips – to Austria where I see a lot of steep/icy conditions and to Utah where we try to get as much powder (live for powder) and tree runs as possible.
I have been riding a 151 Burton Fortress which has been cool but sometimes near the end of the day when I am getting tired I find it becomes a bit harder for me to maneuver. Definitely a board that performs best when I ride more aggressively.
I am ready for a new board and am considering the Yes Hel Yes but I can’t choose between the 146 and the 149
I am 5’6″
120-125 lbs
Size 9 boot
Also wondering which binding I should pair with this board. A trusted Tahoe friend says he loves NOW bindings, but that’s all I have heard so far.
Thank you!!
Nate says
Hi Tasha
Thanks for your message.
I did get your other message, and replied. It was on this post. I will paste the reply below, so you don’t have to go searching for it.
In that message, I asked for boot size and I see you mentioned it this time. So, I would say 146 typically, but it’s a close call, given the board you’re currently used to. The 146 is on the narrower side for 9s, but shouldn’t be too narrow. The 149 is certainly not out of range though. It’s very doable and since you’ve been used to riding a 151, that makes it even more doable. This might help you to decide:
– 149 will give better float in powder and more stability at speed
– 146 will provide more maneuverability at slower speeds, better in trees, better for freestyle stuff and all round a little easier, less effort to ride.
I think you’ll find even the 149 less taxing than the Fortress. I don’t know much about the Fortress but looking at the specs, it looks pretty stiff, full camber and a lot of effective edge versus overall length. With the 149 you’d get a softer flexing board with less effective edge and a little rocker in the profile to help mellow things out. The Fortress seems like a pretty stiff, aggressive ride. So, if you want to mellow out your ride a bit, but not too much, then the 149 probably makes more sense. The 146 would be my first choice, purely based on specs and how you describe your riding. But because of your familiarity with a board like the Fortress and in the 151 size, the 149 might be more suitable.
If you’re not doing any buttering, ollies or that kind of thing, then I think a NOW binding would be a good match – the only thing that I don’t like about them was the butterability aspect. For the Hel Yes, if you were to go witha NOW binding, I would go with either the Brigada or Conda. If going Brigada, I would use the stiffer bushings (NOW has replaceable bushings which can have a subtle affect on flex – the stiffer bushing’s making the bindings a little stiffer). If going Conda, I would use the medium bushings.
Hope this helps
Previous reply below.
Tasha says
Thanks so much for the awesome feedback! I’ll let you know which size I end up with.
Any other bindings besides the NOW you would suggest for this board?
Nate says
You’re very welcome Tasha.
My apologies, I forgot to add the links in my previous response.
I would be looking at something around 6/10 to 7/10 flex. The following should give you some good options in that flex range.
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
>>Top Women’s Freeride Bindings
If you have any questions about those, let me know
Lonneke says
Hi Nate,
To be quite honest, I have no idea what kind of board would be best for me…
I am going to participate in the anwarter-course in Austria in about two weeks and my (about 5 years) old board (burton hybrid camber) is broken, so I am in desperate need for a new one.
I´ve read a lot of reviews and top-10 lists, but am not that much wiser.
For the anwarter we need to complete two carve-runs, a piste-trick freestyle run and we need to demonstrate different drift-turns. Conclusion: a very versitale board is needed, which also would be able to support switch-riding.
I am mostly concerned about the grip and edge control by carving and the ability of the board to ride switch.
Really hoping you could help me out here!
Looking forward to hearing from you 🙂
Nate says
Hi Lonneke
Thanks for your message.
I think you’re in the right place here. Very versatile boards that are really do-it-all boards. Given you’re need for that carving side of things, I wouldn’t go with a rocker dominant board, like the Swoon Rocker or the Feelgood Flying V. The Feelgood camber also, might make the freestyle run a little trickier. Assuming at least a solid intermediate level of riding, I think the Swoon Camber, Hel Yes and Twin Sister would be your best bets.
If you’re not in need of something with good powder performance, you could also check out the Lib Tech Ryme, Never Summer Proto Synthesis, Niche Nightshade or GNU Pro Choice. Which will all be a little better for switch, but not as good in powder. Note that the Hel Yes, Twin Sister and Swoon Camber are all fine for riding switch, but just not quite as good.
Also, let me know if you’re looking for any sizing help. I would be happy to give you my opinion.
Hope this helps with your decision
Zach says
Buying a snowboard for my girlfriend. She is an intermediate rider, the majority of her runs are on groomers, however we love playing in the powder whenever we’re lucky enough to get it. She usually sticks to blues unless there is some powder we head to the steeper stuff. Never goes in the park. Rarely ever rides switch, sometimes just briefly. The Yes Hel Yes caught our eye but were a little worried about seeing that it’s a board for advanced riders. Do you think the Hel Yes sounds like a good fit get her capabilities, or should we snag something off your Intermediate list?
Nate says
Hi Zach
Thanks for your message.
The Hel Yes is doable for high end intermediate riders, for sure, IMO. But if she’s more low to mid Intermediate, if that makes sense, then it might be a bit of a stretch. The YES Hello is worth checking out, if you think the Hel Yes would be too much. It’s essentially a mellower version of the Hel Yes. If you’re not sure about her level, you could check out this to see if it helps you to get a better idea.
Hope this helps
Zach says
Hey Nate,
Thanks for the response and all of the incredibly helpful and thorough info on this website. Amazing website!
I am going buy the Lib Tech Cortado for my girlfriend and sister and am having trouble figuring out the best size. Both riders are high-level intermediate riders that love the pow when we are lucky enough to get it. If not they are carving groomers with an occasional tree run here and there. Never in the park.
Rider 1 is 5’8” 155lbs
Rider 2 is 5’7″ 135lbs
The lib tech cortado has a 151 and 154… I’m leaning 154 I think for both riders. Or should the 135# rider be best on a 151? What do you think?
Nate says
Hi Zach
Size-wise for the Cortado, I wouldn’t go that big. It’s a wider board – kind of like a semi-short/wide.
Even at a regular width, I’d be debating between 151 and 154 for Rider 1. 154 only if really wanting to maximize powder performance, but probably 151 for all round performance, particularly if she’s riding trees. 154 not out or range though. But because of that extra width, depending on boot size, I’d probably go 148.
For rider 2, if it was a regular width, then I’d be debating between the 148 and 145. With that width though, I wouldn’t go longer than 145, depending on boot size.
So you probably know my next question! If you can let me know their boot sizes, that would really help.
Zach says
Interesting. I didn’t realize the Cortado was wider than the average all-mountain board. What are the pros and cons of the extra width?
Rider 1 – 5’8″, 155lbs, Size 8 boot
Rider 2 – 5’7, 134lbs, Size 8.5 Boot
Appreciate your help!!
Nate says
Hi Zach
The Extra width helps with float in powder (and can help with a wider platform for landing jumps and depending on boot size, you might need the extra width to avoid boot drag of course. But mostly a short wide board allows you to go shorter but not sacrifice on surface area for powder purposes – and particularly for powder in trees. It gives you a shorter board that can be better for weaving through trees without clipping your tail on the way through for example. The biggest con of going too wide, IMO, is that it can make turn initiation difficult – usually sizing down, if you size down enough counteracts that though. Basically when your feet are too far inside the edges of the board, it just makes getting leverage on the edges harder – makes the turn initiation a little delayed as well as requiring more force physically to get the board to turn. The other downside is that by sizing down you lessen effective edge – so when doing big carves you’ve got less edge to work with, which can affect stability at speed and carving. At the point you’re really on your edge and letting the sidecut do the work on your turn, the width of the board isn’t felt anymore – when you’re purely carving that width doesn’t help with stability. But it can help with stability for landings or when flat basing. Hope all that makes sense.
If you did go Cortado with those boot sizes, then I would look at:
Rider 1: 148
Rider 2: 145
Tom says
Hello, I went through most of Nate’s suggestions but I can’t find one that fit my situation. My daughter is 17 years old, 6ft even and about 145lbs. Her shoe size is woman’s 11. She did 2 seasons on rental equipment and every time they suggested a different size board. She will spent her time mostly on Wisconsin’s groomed hills. I want to surprise her this upcoming Christmas and purchase a board for her but still confused on which one and what size.
Little birdie told me that she is looking for something in 152-155 range, is that right?HELP!!!!!!
Nate says
Hi Tom
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of sizing. Assuming roughly a high-end beginner to low intermediate level?, I would say something in the range of 150-152 would be her best bet. I wouldn’t go longer than 152 at this stage. Up to 153, if she’s more advanced than I’m assuming, but I wouldn’t go as long as 155. Given she wears 11s, the width will be the most difficult thing to accommodate, when looking at women’s boards.
Not sure if you know what her bindings angles are, but if she’s riding something like +15 degrees on the front binding and -15 on the back binding, then she could go as low as 245mm waist width (depending on the board – boards differ in their width at inserts versus waist width) – but if she’s riding with a very flat back binding angle, like 0-3 degrees, then probably want to go at least 252mm at the inserts. As a high-end beginner/low intermediate (again making an assumption there), she’s probably not really railing her carves yet, so she could get away with a little narrower than that.
Some options worth looking at (depending on binding angles):
– Burton Feelgood Flying V 152 (244mm waist – it’s borderline, but if she is riding at +15/-15, should be fine)
– Burton Yeasayer Flat Top or Flying V (247mm waist)
– Jones Twin Sister 152 (246mm waist)
– Salomon Gypsy 151 (247m waist)
– Salomon Wonder 152 (245mm waist)
I think any of those would work. The likes of the Yeasayer and Gypsy are more what I call all-mountain-freestyle, but they’re good for resort riding, if she’s not going to be getting into any deep powder any time soon. Something like the Twin Sister is maybe a little bit of a stretch at that high-beginner, low intermediate level. But if she’s more solid intermediate than I’m assuming, it would work well.
I’m guessing she doesn’t have boots yet? When she does, if she ends up in 10.5s, that would give a little more leeway in terms of width – and all the options above should be fine, regardless of binding angles. In my experience, if her shoe size is 11, then she’ll either end up in 10.5, 11 or 11.5 boots.
If you were happy to look at men’s boards as well, there will be a number of suitable options in the length/width range we’re looking at.
Hope this helps
Daniella says
Hi Nate,
I’ve been reading reviews on your website and would love your opinion on what might be the best board for me (I’ve been going crazy over here). I’m an intermediate – higher intermediate rider who’s looking to upgrade from my youth 138 Burton Feelgood that I’ve had since middle school. The biggest problem I’ve been having is feeling sketchy at higher speeds since I’ve become a more aggressive rider. And I’m hoping to continue to progress in riding more aggressively by maintaining stability at higher speeds, carving, smaller jumps, light buttering, maybe some tree and bowl action.
My home mountains are Big Bear and Mammoth, so I’m looking for something that can handle a bit of everything – groomers, trees, small jumps, the occasional powder and off-piste day. I’ve kinda narrowed down the list to the Jones Twin Sister and the Arbor Cadence Camber. What would you recommend for me? I’m also open to other boards as well.
I’m 5ft 2in, about 114lbs and am size 6 in shoes.
Looking forward to your advice! Thanks.
Daniella says
Also contemplating the Yes Hel Yes!
Nate says
Hi Daniella
Thanks for your message.
Given what you’re describing, I think any of those would work – and would give you that extra stability your seeking from the current board your riding. If you’re looking to ride some powder in the mix, then I’d be leaning Twin Sister or Hel Yes. The Swoon Camber can handle powder OK, but the others will float a little easier in there, IMO. Also you referred to the Cadence Camber, but I was guessing that you meant the Swoon Camber. However, if you did mean the Cadence Camber, not that it’s more freestyle oriented, than all-mountain and whilst it would be fine for most of what you’re describing, I would be leaning Swoon Camber over Cadence Camber for what you’re wanting it for.
Size-wise, for your specs, I would be looking at something around 141/142, and with your boot size, you could even go smaller than that, if the board is a bit wide for your boots. So, IMO, the smallest Hel Yes, is going to be too big. Therefore, I think the Twin Sister is your best bet. And I think the 140 is the way to go. It’s going a little shorter, but it is going to be wide for your boots, so that sizing down a little bit makes sense, IMO. If you decided to go Swoon Camber, i.e. if you weren’t too concerned about deep powder (it will be fine in moderate powder), then the 143 would work. It’s on the longer side for you, IMO, but it’s doable – and it’s a bit narrower than the Twin Sister.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Daniella says
Thanks, Nate! I’m going to go with the Twin Sister.
I’d like to understand a bit more about deciding on the right size for me, as I’ve had some conflicting advice. What would be the major drawback on going larger than 140 on the Twin Sister? I know you mentioned it would be too wide for me if I went with the 143 or 146. However, I received advice that although the 146 is on the wider side, because of my progression, where I’m riding (Big Bear + Mammoth), and the twin flex on the board, I would enjoy the ride. Plus, the effective edge is not as long as the board.
What do you think about that? Thanks so much for your advice and appreciate the help!
Best,
Daniella
Nate says
Hi Daniella
The major drawback would be the effort it would take to turn the board at slower speeds. Particularly if you went 146, it’s going to be something that’s slow to turn and take quite a bit of effort to turn sharply when riding slower. Because your feet would be a good way inside the edges of the board, you simply have to put more effort in to initiate a turn – the leverage is just more difficult to obtain. If you were a heavier rider, then the wider factor wouldn’t be felt as much – as you would have more pressure to apply to the edges. At your weight though, I wouldn’t want to be that far inside the edges. Also the longer the length, the harder to maneuver, so the combination of that length and width would be too big, IMO. You would certainly have good stability at speed and float in powder at that length. So, if you think you’ll be bombing most of the time, not really ever riding slow or need short sharp turns, and you’ll be riding a lot of powder, then it’s doable. But for all round riding, I’d say don’t go 146. The effective edge on the Twin Sister isn’t super long compared to overall length, but it’s also not short compared to overall length. It’s about average (effective edge is never as long as the board – even boards with a long effective edge versus overall length, the effective edge is always a good bit shorter than overall length) – check this out for more on effective edge.
But if you are worried about the 140 being too small, the 143 is doable though. It will be optimized more towards bombing/powder, but still OK for slower speed/tighter stuff. I just wouldn’t go as long as 146, with your specs.
Rob says
Hi Nate,
Really like the helpful website, I’ve been down a rabbithole this morning of reading all your board reviews and advice 🙂
I’m a smaller and lighter guy (5’6″ and 120 lbs size 7.5 US mens boot) so I started looking at womens boards due to them having a narrower waist which seemed to fit my smaller feet.
I’d say I was a good intermediate level, been boarding for 20 years but only get to go a couple of weeks a year.
Currently ride an ancient almost 20 year old Salomon fastback which while really long at 156 had a narrow waist at 245mm.
Although its probably too stiff and too aggressive for my riding these days and completely wears me out by the end of the day,
so I’m looking to update it to something more modern that’s a bit more chill to ride so I don’t have be maximum concentration all day 🙂
I mostly ride groomers with some powder if there is any when I’m on holiday, some switch and some small jumps.
Tend to avoid the park these days.
I’ve eventually narrowed a short list down to:
Salomon Rumblefish (148)
Salomon Wonder (148)
Jones Dream Catcher (148)
Jones twin sister (146)
I’m leaning more towards the Salomon rumblefish or maybe the wonder but I’m concerned the rumblefish might be too stiff and aggressive
as the manufactures website lists it as ‘very stiff’.
Any thoughts on my choices and the differences between the Wonder and Rumblefish?
Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Rob
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, I think those sizes should suit you well, both length and width. Could also consider the 149 Twin Sister and 151 Dream Catcher, but the 146/148 would also certainly work. Purely based on specs, I’d be leaning 146/148, but given that you’re ridden a 156 for so long, the 149/151 become options too.
The Rumble Fish isn’t as stiff as Salomon rates it, IMO. They also rate the Salomon Assassin Pro as “very stiff” but I felt that at more like 6.5/10 – when they make it sound at least 8/10, by calling it very stiff. So, the Rumble Fish certainly stiffer than the Wonder – and probably a little stiffer than the Dream Catcher and Twin Sister, but nothing crazy in terms of stiffness. That said, if you’re looking for a more chill ride, then the Wonder is probably the way to go.
Hope this helps with your decision
Rob says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for taking the time to reply. It really helped break my analysis paralysis.
After pretty much deciding on the Wonder, I then found a really great deal on last years Jones Dream Catcher so I’ve gone for that.
Really looking forward to getting on the snow with it.
Nate says
You’re very welcome Rob. Always interested to hear how people get on with their new boards, so, if you think of it at the time let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow. Happy riding!
WetNoodle says
Hi Nate,
I am an intermediate-advanced rider who has 12+ years of experience, but have been out of the game for the past 4 seasons. I have always rode more mellow boards because I liked playing in the park (’09 Forum Mini Youngblood (145); ’05 Burton Feather (147). Now I’m looking to get back into it and burn some COVID-related weight, haha. I’m 5’4 and 170lbs with a size 8 boot. I am looking for an all mountain board, and I hope to still be able to hit some jumps. Powder is no concern as the conditions where I live are pretty icy/groomed. Just looking for some recommendations and your input. Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Wetnoodle
Given that you’re not concerned about powder, I would also look at all-mountain freestyle boards. You can check out some options at the following:
>>My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboards
From this list, I would be looking at:
– YES Hel Yes
– YES Hello (if you wanted to go a little mellower than the Hel Yes)
– Jones Twin Sister
– Rossignol Airis (again if you wanted to go mellower)
Because they are good in hard/icy conditions and are still good for freestyle stuff.
From the other list I just linked to, they’re all good in hard/icy conditions, IMO. The Ryme and Nightshade in that list are the most aggressive rides. The Ladies Choice and No.43 the most mellow and the Proto Synthesis in between.
If you narrowed those down to 2-3 options, I’d be happy to give you my sizing opinion for each specific board.
Hope this helps
WetNoodle says
Hi Nate,
I appreciate your input. I was looking at Yes boards, but unfortunately the only option in town is the Yes Basic (148). I also found Libtech Skate Banana (156), Capital Scott Evens (155) and older (2018) Ride Burnout (155) which would be the closest to what I’m looking for without having to order. Any ideas in relation to these options?
Thanks!
Nate says
Hi WetNoodle
IMO those are getting too big for you, particularly when combing the length and width of them, compared to your specs. I’d be looking at something more around 152 – and narrower as well. The YES Basic (149) could possibly work. A little shorter, but will still be wide for your boots, so sizing down would make sense there. But the others, IMO are too big. Are you able to order online? It would open up a lot more options.
WetNoodle says
Hey Nate,
Yeah, that makes sense. I was hoping to avoid the hassle of ordering online, but I found some sites. I am currently looking into ordering the Ladies Choice in 151.5 as it seems like a super fun board that will hold an edge really well. Thanks for all your input. it was nice to talk options!
Nate says
You’re very welcome. If you think of it at the time let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow. Happy riding!
WetNoodle says
Hey Nate,
Sorry I’m back to bug you again, haha.
I’m just looking ahead at bindings, but I’m not sure if I’ll grab any this season because I am hoping my super old softer ones will get me by for 1 season. In relation to pairing the Ladies Choice, would you go with Burton Escapades or Union Triology? I figured Burton Lexas might also work well, but will be the stiffer option. And do you have any input on Now bindings? I’ve never ridden these so I’m not sure how they compare to giants like Burton and Union.
Thanks again for all your help!
Nate says
Hi WetNoodle
I think Burton Escapade would be the best match. But The Trilogy would certainly work as would the Lexa. Lexa around 6/10 flex, with the Trilogy more like 6.5/10 and the Escapade more like 5/10. The Ladies Choice is more like 5/10. But the Trilogy and Lexa would still certainly match. Probably just wouldn’t go as stiff as the Lexa X (more like 7/10).
NOW bindings have some things about them that I really like – and others that I like less. Biggest pro, is their shock absorption. It’s better than anything else in the industry that I’ve tried. Biggest con is their board feel for butters. I find flexing the board for butters with them more difficult. Certainly compared to the likes of Burton Re:Flex or Union mini-disc bindings – but even versus their universal disc bindings. Another pro is their response. They do provide really good response. Another small con is their straps – I say small con, because they’re not terrible or anything, or uncomfortable, but I prefer a lot of other ankle straps over theirs.
WetNoodle says
Okay, thanks for the great input. Last question. I had someone tell me that if I’m looking at the Trilogy I might as well cough up some extra cash and get the Legacy, is there that mich of a difference between the two? I thought that they would be pretty comparable. Despite the specs of the Escapade, my friend suggested to go with Union instead. I haven’t ridden higher end Burton bindings (always middle of the pack – e.g. Stiletto, Scribe) so I figured their higher end stuff would be really responsive, and any of the options would be a nice upgrade.
Nate says
Hi WetNoodle
For sure, any of these options would be a nice upgrade from Stiletto, Scribe, so I don’t think you’d be disappointed in any of them.
Between the Legacy versus the Trilogy, there is quite a bit of difference. They are similar in terms of overall response, but have a different feel to that response. The Legacy is more what I would describe as a springy/explosive type of response, versus the Trilogy which is more smooth/even/consistent. The Legacy have better board feel, thanks to that mini-disc, but given the big disc on the Trilogy, the board feel isn’t too bad. But definitely get a step up there with the Legacy.
The Legacy also a little more comfortable, better shock absorption and a little lighter. They’re just a touch softer flexing too, so a little better match to the board, IMO.
The Trilogy does have better adjustability and it’s not that far off in those other factors, but a combination of all those things, does make the Legacy a bit of a step up. But between the two, I think it would depend on the best match for the board your riding and the feel you want. If I had to choose, I’d say that the Legacy is the better match to the Ladies Choice, but you might prefer the sounds of a smoother, more even response and might even want something a little stiffer. The Trilogy certainly isn’t wrong for the board, but if I had to choose I’d be leaning Legacy.
WetNoodle says
Hey Nate,
I just wanted to update you and thank you for all your help. I ended up with the Gnu Ladies Choice and Union Legacy bindings. OMFG is it ever a fun set up. The board is does everything I need it to do. Great for carving down groomers, pressing, going off little kickers and the bindings are very responsive! I’ve been hitting the slopes weekly and even though at first I was a bit reserved/nervous since I haven’t been in SO LONG, it has been like riding a bike. Every time is better and better!
Nate says
Hey WetNoodle
Thanks for the update! So good to hear your new setup is going well for you. Happy riding!
Annie says
Hi Nate!
I am an intermediate to advanced rider (5’9, ~160 lbs, size 9 boot) and ride mostly groomers but like to go off-piste to cut through trees but will also be able to charge powder. I am looking for an all-mountain, single quiver board that can do everything outside the park – bomb down a mountain and still be able to carve well. I also want something that I can continue to progress with as I advance. I am on the West Coast so I board at Tahoe resorts.
Based on the research I’ve done, I’ve narrowed it down to the Yes Hel Yes and the Bataleon Storm. I haven’t seen a lot of Bataleon boards on here but the Storm seems to have gotten a lot of hype for their 3BT. I am also curious to get your advice on sizing (152 or 156 for the Storm and 152 or 155 for the Hel Yes)
Greatly appreciate any suggestions or advice!
Annie
Nate says
Hi Annie
Thanks for your message.
Unfortunately haven’t tested any Bataleon boards yet. Hoping to get on some this winter, but for now, don’t really have any insight into Bataleon boards or 3BT.
As you can see from this list, I highly recommend the Hel Yes, so that’s definitely an option – and fits what you’re describing well, IMO. You could also look at Freeride boards, since it sounds like you’re not really doing any freestyle (or riding switch?), but the Hel Yes would certainly be a good bet for what you’re describing, IMO.
Size-wise, it’s a tight call between the 152 and 155 for the Hel Yes. I would be leaning 152 though. I don’t think you’d find the 155 massive or anything, but it’s just on the big side for your specs, IMO. Doable, but I like the 152 more for you. Particularly if you want to ride trees, I would be leaning 152. 155 not wrong for you, IMO, though, so the following might help:
– 155 will provide better float in powder and more stability at speed
– 152 more maneuverable at slower speeds, easier to handle overall and for your specs still going to provide good float in powder and stability at speed, IMO.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Annie Begin says
Thanks Nate! Greatly appreciated
Nate says
You’re very welcome Annie. Happy riding!
Leah says
Hey Nate! I am an intermediate rider with an old forum aura under my boots. I’m looking to upgrade! I spend a lot of time on groomers but enjoy going off into the trees and trying new stuff. I’ve been recommended to get the capita birds of a feather, burton yeasayer Flying V and Salomon oh yea. I am not sure what is best for me. My main goal is to hold an edge and be in control at high speeds, but still be able to have fun and go through the trees.
TIA 🙂
Nate says
Hi Leah
Thanks for your message.
The Oh Yeah is a more freestyle oriented board, IMO and also something that I think you’re going to find doesn’t give you enough stability at high speeds.
The Yeasayer Flying V is also something I wouldn’t be that high on if edge hold at high speeds is important to you.
The Birds of a Feather (BOAF) could work. That would be the best of those 3 options, IMO.
I see those are all twins. Do you like to ride switch? Or ride freestyle at all? If not, then you don’t have to go twin (you still can if you want (assuming you don’t ride powder that much?), but you can get advantages going with a directional board, if you’re not looking to ride switch/freestyle. Happy to make some recommendations for an intermediate appropriate directional board, if you’re OK to look outside those options. If you want to stick to one of those, I’d go BOAF.
Also, important to get the sizing right. I’m happy to provide my opinion on that. Would just need your height, weight and boot size.
Hope this helps
Nikki says
Hi Nate – been reading through these comments and you are so honest and helpful! Hope you might be able to help me out too.
For reference, I’m 5’9″ and about 160lbs (size 9 boot).
Three years ago I was a beginner-intermediate rider, just about to move out west, and looking for a new board. Someone ill-advised me to get a Ride Warpig 148cm. I have spent the last three seasons in Whistler struggling on this board, sticking to blue/black groomers, unable to progress much, and also too inexperienced to figure out why. I thought my board was the best? At least that’s what the sales guy said…
Last year my friend gave me his Never Summer Proto Type 2 (160cm) to try for fun after hearing me complain. It was a WORLD of a difference. I felt like I could initiate turns easier, go faster and overall had way more fun. So I’m looking for a new board this season, but there are so many options out there. I don’t know if I should go with a hybrid camber like the Never Summer or a hybrid rocker. Right now I’d call myself an advanced intermediate rider, mostly on groomers and bowls, but starting to get into the steeper stuff and easy glades. No park or jumps or backcountry.
Thanks!!
Nate says
Hi Nikki
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of sizing, I would put you at around 154cm for length (a standard all-mountain length), as an advanced rider. As an advanced intermediate rider, I wouldn’t go longer than 154 – something in the 151-154 range, depending on the board. In terms of width, with a size 9 boot, depending on preferred binding angles, I’d say between 240-246mm ideally with no angle on your back binding – and as narrow as 232mm (depending on boots and how you ride) with a 15 degree angle on your back binding. If you’re not sure of binding angles, then something in the 237-244 range would be a good bet.
The 148 Warpig was far too wide for you, IMO. If you were going to go that wide, you would have needed to go a good bit shorter than that, IMO. A little surprised that you enjoyed the 160 PT2, as that’s really big for your specs, IMO. But it goes to show how much your feet didn’t like the width of the Warpig. Not just waist, but the Warpig 148 is around 270mm at the inserts, versus roughly 262mm on the PT2 160. That’s quite a big difference when it comes to width on a snowboard, even if it doesn’t sound like that much. Of course, it’s not just sizing that will affect how easy the board is to initiate a turn on, so there are other factors at play there as well, but sizing makes a big difference. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised with how easy it is to turn a snowboard that’s correctly sized!
Based on your experience with the PT2, I think Hybrid Rocker (which is what the PT2 is by my definition – hybrid rocker = rocker between the feet with camber towards tip and tail | Hybrid camber = camber between the feet, and usually under the feet, with rocker towards the tip and tail). Keeping something around the mid-flex is probably a good idea too.
The Never Summer Women’s Proto Synthesis is certainly an option based on your experience. However, it is more freestyle oriented. It would still work for what you’re describing, but I think ideally something more directional, if you’re going to be riding powder at all. If no powder, then I think it’s a good option. If you did go Proto Synthesis, the 151 would be your best bet, IMO.
Some other options:
– GNU Ladies choice 151.5 or 153.5 – not like amazing for powder, but a little better than the PT2, IMO
– Never Summer Infinity 151 – a little softer flexing than medium, IMO – more like 4/10, but still a good option if you like that idea. Though my instinct says you might find it a little soft, given that you liked the PT2 in 160. I feel like you might prefer something that gave you a bit more stability at speed
– Lib Tech No.43 152 – again not great for powder, but a good option if you’re not too concerned with powder
– GNU Barrett 152 – a little stiffer than medium at 6.5/10, but if you’re OK with that, a really good option, IMO, particularly if you’d like more powder performance
– Never Summer Lady West 153 – again a little stiffer – closer to 7/10 flex, but another really good option, if you want better powder performance
– GNU Ravish 152
Of course a lot more options, if you wanted to also consider Hybrid Camber options, but I think if you got on well with the Hybrid rocker in the PT2, then I think it’s a good bet to go down that road.
Hope this helps
Nikki says
Hi Nate – wow thank you so much!! So informative and helpful. In terms of big pow days, I only come across that maybe once or twice a season (limited riding to weekends only). Out of these options, which one do you think is best for holding a good edge and also helping me progress in my riding. Want to slowly try and get into more trees and feel better moving around moguls when I encounter them. The only other board I am considering beyond what you mentioned is the Yes Hello 155. Thanks again!
Nikki says
And yes I should add – I like the idea of a directional because I don’t ride switch and stability at high speed is great!
Nate says
Hi Nikki
In terms of more directional options with good edge hold the Barrett, Lady West or Ravish, from the Hybrid Rocker options would be your best bet. The Ravish being the most easy going ride of them, with the Barrett and Lady West being a little stiffer/more advanced.
The Hello is something that holds an edge really well and is a little bit directional (more so than the likes of Ladies Choice and No.43) but fairly close to a twin. It’s also a Hybrid Camber (just to make sure you’re aware – it’s not a bad thing, but just an FYI, given we were looking at Hybrid Rocker’s). It’s also a softer flexing option. A little stiffer than the Infinity we discussed, but softer than the Proto Synthesis. I would also be tempted to look at the 152 for you, but the 155 is doable. The other option, similar but not as soft, is the Hel Yes – closer in flex to the Proto Synthesis.
Nikki says
Thank you!! Last question – I found a Lady West but it’s 151cm, would I be happy with that as advanced intermediate rider or size up?
Nate says
Hi Nikki
I think the 151 is doable for you, for sure. 151 is within your range. I think if you had the option, I’d be leaning 153, partly because you rode and liked a 160. If not for that information, it would be a pretty tight call between 153 and 151. So yeah, definitely doable, IMO, but ideally 153.
Emily says
Hello Nate! I was hoping you could advise me, as your past advice that I have read sounds so helpful!
I am an intermediate rider, primarily resort, rarely hitting the park, love powder when I can, but generally riding pretty typical west coast terrain.
I need a new board and boots this season and I am trying to figure out what might be best for me.
About: 5’5, 135lbs, Burton size 7 boot.
I have been primarily looking into the Capita Paradise (145) and Yes Hello (146), but wondering if either of these is best? And how much difference the bindings will make? Union bindings? So many choices!
Thanks so much in advance!!
Emily
Nate says
Hi Emily
Thanks for your message.
Both boards are really good options for intermediate riders and nice and versatile. And I think you’ve got the sizing just right for both. Nice job! The Hello is better in icy conditions, IMO. Pretty similar for powder. I would be leaning Hello, but there isn’t a bad choice between them, for what you’re describing.
In terms of bindings. I would say they make the least difference out of boards, boots and bindings, but still certainly make a difference, particularly if they are ill-suited to the board you’re riding or to your riding style or ability level. And of course, if they’re uncomfortable, then that’s always a concern.
For the Hello and Paradise, something with a flex around 5/10 to 6/10 is your best bet. If you’re not really doing any freestyle stuff, you may not have to worry too much about shock absorption or board feel, but both can be nice regardless – particularly shock absorption, which is good for absorbing chatter as well as landings from jumps etc. I would check out the following (though they’re labeled freestyle and all-mountain, you don’t have to be riding freestyle to enjoy those in the freestyle list – there might be something in there that suits your purposes) – and pay attention to the flex ratings there and also the score breakdowns to help decide what you want the most out of your bindings:
>>Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps with your decision
Millie says
Hi there, would really love your advice!
I’ve been riding for 15 years, mostly advanced intermediate / advanced, prefer carving but want a board I can take into powder and trees and not feel awkward on. I’m 5’4, 125lbs, 8.5 shoe size and have a very old 2006 Burton Feelgood 151 I’ve been riding on. Yeah I know, it’s way too long for me but I guess I got used to it? I do like how I’ve felt stable at high speeds but now realizing it’s really not the best board for quick turns. Most of the time will be riding hard packed snow with a bit of powder now and then.
I’m looking at the new Burton Feelgood Flying V, as well as the Story Book, but am open to more suggestions on the snowboard as well as the right length.
Thanks!
Millie
Nate says
Hi Millie
Thanks for your message.
The Feelgood Flying V will give you a better experience in powder, IMO, and be better in terms of easier short/sharp turns, even without sizing down. But I feel like you’ll likely miss the more camber dominant feel of the Feelgood if you’re used to that. Particularly if you’re riding hard pack most of the time. Flying V doesn’t tend to do that well in hard snow (in my experience).
If you’re not riding any switch or really any freestyle, then I think the Story Board would be your better bet. It’s better in powder than the Feelgood and the rocker in the tip will likely help a little for faster turns (as well as powder). If you size down a bit (to the 147), then that’s going to give you something that’s certainly quicker turning than the 151 Feelgood. But at the same time, will still be stable, have better edge hold than the Flying V and still have a camber dominant feel that you’re used to (and is typically better for carving).
Even at 147 it’s at the longer end of your range, for your specs (IMO), but I think it will be a good size, particularly given that you’re used to a 151.
Of course, there are a lot of options for what you’re describing, but I think the Story Board would work well (assuming you’re not really doing any freestyle). If you wanted other options, I’m happy to provide some, but if you want to keep it simple, I think the Story Board 147 should work well.
Hope this helps
Millie says
Thanks! This is super helpful. I try to ride switch sometimes and that’s kind of the extent of my free styling hehe. How much of a problem would that be with the Storyboard? The other board I was thinking about was the Yes Hel Yes, which you clearly like here too! Would you go bigger on that one, and how would you compare vs. Story Board?
Nate says
Hi Millie
You could still ride the Story Board switch occasionally. It’s not going to feel that natural as it’s quite directional, but it’s doable.
Hel Yes is a lot less directional than the Story Board – it’s not a true twin or anything, but it’s directional twin with a small setback, no taper. It’s pretty good for riding switch – in fact giving it 3.5/5 for switch is maybe a little harsh! Not as good in powder as the Story Board – those are probably 2 of the biggest performance differences – Hel Yes better for switch, not as good for powder – it’s still not bad in powder though – just that the Story Board really good there. Carving and speed pretty comparable. Flex similar – the Story Board a touch stiffer, but subtly. Hel Yes better for things like jumps, butters, spins, boxes/rails etc – but if you’re not doing any of those, then they’re not that relevant.
Millie says
Thanks that is super helpful!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Millie. If you think of it at the time, let me know what you end up going with and how you get on, once you’ve got a chance to get it out on snow.
Victoria says
Hello,
So the board I have now is the burton Genie. It’s the largest size in kids, but I believe it is a little too short for me obvi lol. I’m 5’3 1/2 112 pounds. My biggest issue is I find the board catches the sides and I tent to wipe out. I find doing my turns or going over bumps it’s not stable.
I’m looking to get a new board for my size. The two snowboards that interest me are the hel yes and the burton camber feel good. If you could let me know what you think of these two picks, I’d love feedback!
Nate says
Hi Victoria
Thanks for your message.
I didn’t think the Genie came in a kids version? Can you confirm what the size of your board is?
For your specs, I would be looking at something around 142/143, assuming a relatively advanced level of riding. If you’re more of a beginner or intermediate rider, then something a little shorter. Could you also let me know your boot size. Boot size is important for sizing as well.
For the Feelgood camber, you will want to be quite an advanced rider anyway, so for that I would go 142.
For the Hel Yes you still want to be a capable rider, but a solid intermediate level is fine. Unfortunately the smallest size in that board is 146, which IMO, is a little too big for your specs. If you were dead set on going with the Hel Yes, then definitely 146.
That fact that you mention that you’re catching edges on your current board, I would be concerned about the feelgood camber. Full camber boards tend to make it more likely to catch an edge. It’s a very stable board, so you will definitely get good stability there, but it’s a board that prefers to be ridden fast. If you like to ride slow sometimes, it’s less suitable for that, IMO.
Definitely plenty of options that would be a step up from what you have, but without being too big a leap. But if I’ve understood wrong and you are at an advanced level, then let me know. If you could also let me know the size of your current board and your boot size, that would be great.
Hope this helps.
Summer says
Hi Jamie,
I’m riding a Women’s Burton Troop (2010 or 2011) board with Salomon Ivy Boa boots and have been very happy with them. I’m looking for new equipment and will be at Big Sky this year. I’m an advanced border but in my 40s so I don’t plan to be in the park. I like steep runs, some trees and getting off the groomed runs, as well as the occasional jump. I had a variety of used boards 15 yrs ago but haven’t tried anything new since getting the Troop board in 2010. What do you recommend?
Summer says
I should have said that I’m about 5’8″ and 135lbs, with a size 9 women’s boot.
Nate says
Hi Summer
Thanks for your message.
I would look at the following:
– Arbor Veda 150
– Burton Story Board 147
– Capita the Equalizer 150
– GNU Barrett 149
– Jones Dream Catcher 151
– Jones Twin Sister 149
– Lib Tech Dynamiss 149
– YES Hel Yes 149
I know that’s a lot of options, but plenty fit your needs. The likes of the Dream Catcher, Dynamiss & Equalizer are what I would call on the border of freeride and all-mountain, the Story Board, Barrett and Veda Freeride boards, but if you’re not really riding switch or freestyle, should work well.
In terms of sizing, those are the sizes I recommend based on your specs and how you describe your riding, but given that you’ve been riding 15+ years, you may have your own personal preferences which you should consider as well. Like if you typically ride considerably shorter or longer than that, you might want to think about adjusting the sizing.
Hope this helps
donkeykong says
Hi there! Thank you so much for the write up- I’ve been riding for 10+ years, most of it on a board that I got when I was a kid (K2 moment). Picked it out because of graphics but it’s served me well. I’m looking to upgrade my board to push me to the next level – currently ride mostly blues, occasionally go into the trees, and eat sh*t on a lot of bowls but I can’t get enough of them.
I’ve dabbled in park but I’m looking for a stiffer board, still all-mountain and looking for something that does well on and off-piste. I wanted to improve my carving, and also do more free riding.
I’m just under 168cm, 105lb, and wear size 6 boots. I was debating between the Hel Yes, Dream Catcher and Twin Sister. I really like the sound of the Hel Yes but my biggest concern was that it might be too advanced for me. Not to mention that I feel like all the boards I listed might be too wide for me.
Would greatly appreciate any advice, much thanks in advance!
Nate says
Hey Donkeykong!
Thanks for your message.
I don’t think the Hel Yes is outside your scope in terms of being too advanced, based on what you’re describing, but I do think there’s not really a suitable size for you in the Hel YES, unfortunately.
In terms of width, with 6s, they are all quite wide, but you could size down the length a little to make up for that. Unfortunately wouldn’t be able to do that with the Hel Yes as the smallest size is 146. Looking at length alone, I think around 142 would be your sweet spot and I wouldn’t go longer than 143, unless you were only going to be riding powder and bombing the whole time. I think the Twin Sister in the 140 would work. It’s still wide for your boots, but it’s a little shorter, so that can help make up for the maneuverability lost in going too wide.
The Dream Catcher is a board you can ride a little longer (it rides short for it’s length). So even though the 142 isn’t sizing down (IMO) it kind of is with that particular board. So I think you get away with that size in that board, even though it’s a little wide for you.
Another option you could look at is the Capita Equalizer. It’s what I categorize as a freeride board, but it really borders all-mountain and freeride. The 142 could work for that board as it’s narrower.
Or if you wanted to look at something more all-mountain-freestyle, then there’s the GNU Ladies Choice 139.5 (which is nice and narrow) or the Never Summer Proto Synthesis 139.
Hope this helps with your decision
Teresa Zhong says
Hey Nate!
Word on the street is that you’re the person to go to for a snowboard rec 😉
I am in desperate need of help finding a new snowboard. Ya girl has been riding someone’s old beater board for the past like 4 years LOL I think my progress has legit stopped bc of that.
I’m 5’1″ Approx. 135 lb.
I’m looking at making Mammoth Mountain my home base but sometimes Big Bear (they don’t get the best snow.) Something that could be adequate in powder aka as long as its not complete shit in powder
I want to get more into faster carving and some park stuff/jumps.
Definitely looking into the Yes Hell Yes board, but lowkey not feeling the design too much lol
Arbor is my go to brand for skateboards. But absolutely open to all brands
Thank you!!
Nate says
Hi Teresa
Thanks for your message.
You’re in the right place, IMO, looking at an all-mountain board, for what you’re describing.
Size-wise, in general I would be looking at anything around 143-145, in terms of length. But if you can also let me know your boot size – that’s also an important part of sizing.
If you can get past the graphics on the Hel Yes, I think it would def be a great option for what you’re describing. The 2022 model is a little different design, though not that different.
The Swoon Camber would work too for sure. The biggest downside is in powder. The Swoon Rocker is better in power, but you do loose some pop and speed/carving performance.
The Twin Sister would definitely work too. Probably in the 143, but once you let me know your boot size, I can take a closer look at the sizing. 146 for Hel YES, and 143 for Swoon Camber (144 if Swoon Rocker).
Jones Dream Catcher and Salomon Wonder also worth looking at.
Hope this helps
Teresa Zhong says
Hi Nate! So sorry for the late reply, never got a notification in my email. Anyways! My boot size is a Women’s 8.
Thanks for all your help!
Nate says
Hi Teresa
I think 146 for both Hel Yes and Twin Sister. Probably 147 if you went Arbor Swoon Camber. I’d be leaning Hel Yes or Twin Sister, just because you mentioned you wanted something that’s at least decent in powder. I wouldn’t say the Swoon Camber is terrible in powder, but it’s average at best.
Teresa Zhong says
Great! Thanks for all the advice
Nate says
You’re very welcome Teresa. If you think of it at the time, let me know what you go with and how you get on once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow.
teri says
Hey Nate,
Turns out Jones wont be in stock til Decemeber so I think Im going to go with the Arbor Swoon Rocker. Should I be getting the 148cm?
Thank you!
Teresa Zhong says
Hi Nate!
Not sure if my previous comment got submitted.
The Jones board is going to be out of stock til December so I think I’m going to go with the Arbor Swoon Rocker. Can you recommend a size for me? Not sure if I should be getting the 144 or 148.
Thank you!!
Nate says
Hi Teresa
Got your other message too – just had to be moderated.
It’s a tough call with sizing on the Swoon Rocker, but I think I’d be leaning 144. Just because I think the 148 is getting a bit big for your specs. The width probably looks a little small, based on waist width, but Arbor boards are typically wide at the inserts compared to the waist, so you shouldn’t have any issues width-wise. The 148 measures 251mm at the inserts (236mm waist), so the 144 is likely around 249mm at the inserts, which should be plenty wide enough for 8s.
Kara says
Hi Nate –
First of all, thanks for all of your help with these lists! I have been driving myself crazy looking at reviews, and trying to snag a 2021 board before the 2022 hit the market.
I am a higher end intermediate rider. Have been riding on and off for 20 years (with a large gap until the last 3 seasons). I have been riding a crap rocker board, and really want to get back to a camber or hybrid camber. I’m tired of the instability at high speeds. Love to charge it, but also want to be nimble on the mountain.
I am a true all mountain rider, love carves and groomers, but would like to elevate my riding to be more all-mountain with tree runs, mountain jumps, etc. I did those when younger, but finally after a few seasons feel confident enough to get back into it. You prob wont ever find me in park. I also want to progress into more switch riding.
That being said, I would like a board that can elevate me more into expert riding. I currently have been looking at the Arbor Swoon Camber and The Never Summer Photosynthesis. I’m 5’7″, 130 lb. Been riding 150, but have realized I can prob drop down to 147-148. Size 7 boots, M bindings.
Any ideas? Driving myself crazy with looking at boards. Considered the Capita Birds of a feather, but ride a lot of late season spring snow in PNW (majority of time has been March – May), so worried about edge hold so it’s out for me. Can sometimes see really hard packed snow and ice late in the day. Not as worried about Powder. I will get it, but don’t chase it enough to solely base my decisions on that.
Hope you can help, your website is awesome!!!
Nate says
Hi Kara
Thanks for your message.
Since powder isn’t a big priority, then I think the Swoon Camber and Proto Synthesis are both great options. The YES Hel Yes and Jones Twin Sister would also be solid choices. But if you’re looking predominantly camber, then the Swoon Camber and Proto Synthesis are more camber dominant than the Hel Yes and Twin Sister (though those two are still more camber than rocker). I think any of those 4 would treat you well for what you’re describing, but if you did want to go mostly camber, then the first 2 are the front runners.
Size-wise, Yeah, I’d say around 147-148 is spot on. For the boards mentioned:
Swoon Camber 147
Proto Synthesis 148
Twin Sister – debate between the 146 and 149, but probably leaning 146 for this one as it’s a little wider than the average board at that length
Hel Yes – again between the 146 and 149 – I don’t think either would be wrong, but leaning more 149 for this one. It’s not as wide and by the description of your riding I’d be leaning 149, but 146 certainly still an option
Hope this helps with your decision
Kara says
Hi Nate,
I truly appreciate your response and help! Been searching everywhere for the Yes Hel Yes and the Twin Sister, but pretty much sold out in 2021 unfortunately.
Looks like it’s between the Swoon or Protosynthesis (I had previously wanted the Hel Yes, but didn’t know if it would be too stiff).
Appreciate your response and confirming I am in the right direction – you absolutely rock and have helped so many people!
Best Wishes, looking forward to more of your content in the future.
Kara
Nate says
You’re very welcome Kara. Thanks for visiting the site. If you think of it at the time, let me know what you go with and how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow.
Kara says
Hi Nate,
Thanks again. I have decided to go with the NS Proto Synthesis because it seems with the hybrid, though small rocker, might be an easier transition since I am coming off a rocker currently to begin with.
I really want the Arbor Swoon Camber as well, super tempted to buy both. Do you think there’s enough of a difference in the two boards to own both, or do you have a preference over one another? I’m just in love with both boards. My only concern on the Swoon was going strictly over to a camber, rather than partial hybrid.
Thanks again for your help, I will for sure post an update once I get to take this in the snow next season!
Kara
Nate says
Hi Kara
There is quite a lot of overlap with those 2 boards. I definitely wouldn’t say they’ll feel the same to ride at all. But for the purposes you’d ride both, they’re in a very similar category. Too close, IMO, to be in the same quiver. That doesn’t mean you can’t, but there wouldn’t be really particular conditions or anything like that, that you’d want to choose one over the other, IMO.
Katie says
Hi Nate:
Just finished a weekend of spring riding out in Mammoth, and it’s got me thinking about upgrading my board.
You helped me find the PERFECT first board a couple seasons ago: I’ve been riding on a Burton Yeasayer Flying V (152). It’s been perfect for the past 2.5 seasons as I progressed.
But now I’m cruising blue-blacks, and I’m feeling like I could use something a little stiffer for more control on steeps, less chatter, and faster riding.
Mammoth is my home mountain, so I ride mostly groomers – and powder when we can find it! I love tree runs when the snow is right, no park stuff. I’m 5’9”, 150 lbs, boots are women’s size 10.
The Feelgood Flying V seems like the obvious step up, but should I consider anything else? Not looking for anything too aggressive, maybe the Jones Twin Sister?
Thanks, Nate! Your advice is always SO helpful!
Nate says
Hi Katie
Thanks for your message. Glad to hear that the Yeasayer Flying V has treated you well and that you’re able to enjoy some spring riding!
Yeah, the Feelgood Flying V makes sense, if you like the feel of that Flying V profile and don’t want too drastic a chance and want something that’s still playful and not too aggressive, but a little stiffer. The Feelgood Flying V fits that description really well. It’s a step up, but not too big a change. Size-wise, I would go 152 again.
The Twin Sister is also definitely an option. It would present a bigger change, for sure, but would still definitely work. It will feel a little stiffer than the Feelgood Flying V (I would say around 5/10 flex for the Feelgood Flying V – versus around 6/10 for the Twin Sister – compared to around 4/10 for the Yeasayer Flying V) and is more camber dominant. Still not massively camber dominant – there’s still a bit of rocker in there and the 3D contour base also helps it to be more forgiving. Overall, I would say it’s a little more aggressive than the Feelgood Flying V, but I wouldn’t call aggressive. It’s one of those boards that’s right in the middle of aggressive and playful. Versus the Feelgood Flying V, which is on the more playful end of the scale. You get better edge hold in hard/icy conditions too, if you find you come across them regularly, but not a big concern if you don’t see them much, and if you haven’t had any issues in that regard with your Yeasayer Flying V.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Katie says
Thanks so much, Nate!
I also found your full review of the Jones Dream Catcher, which sounds like it might be closer to what I’m used to and a little more in line with my riding style than the Twin Sister. Do you think that might be a logical step up from the Yeasayer? Better edge hold and a little more stability, but still fun to whip through trees? And size-wise, it looks like you’re recommending people size up a little on that board – would you think 154 rather than 151, if I go that route?
Thank you! I SO SO appreciate your advice!!
Nate says
Hi Katie
Yeah if you go Dream Catcher, I think the 154 would be the best bet.
To note that the Twin Sister changed for the 2021 model – and it’s now a more maneuverable board than the 2020 and earlier models. I would say it’s become even more maneuverable than the Dream Catcher now. That’s based on the 2021 Mountain Twin (men’s equivalent of the Twin Sister) as I haven’t had anyone test the 2021 Twin Sister. But yeah both would be good step ups from the Yeasayer. But just wanted to point that out about the 2021 model of the Twin Sister, as it underwent a few changes.
Erin says
Hi there
I just bought the Capita Equalizer size 150 but I am not sure it’s the right choice and also may be too big! I am 5’4, 128 lbs, size 7.5 boot. My board is 12 years old and a size 154. I am an intermediate advanced rider. I like playing in the trees and riding powder (who doesn’t!). I like to off piste and groomers, never go into the park. I don’t go crazy fast but I think that’s because my board can’t handle speed and so I want a board that is more stable at speed (but also fun going playfully through trees and is still fun at slower spped). Should I stick with the Equalizer but should I exchange it for a 146? Also do you have an opinion on Flux bindings? Thank you so much!
Nate says
Hi Erin
Thanks for your message.
I think the Equalizer is a great choice for what you’re describing, but I think 146 is the better size for you. I think that’s about the perfect size for you. Since you’re used to a 154, the 150 is definitely doable though. If you were coming from a smaller size, I would say 100% 146, but since you’re used to riding longer, I don’t think the 150 is wrong, but purely for your specs, I think the 146 is the best match.
The 150 will be more stable at speed and float better in powder, but the 146 will be more maneuverable in tighter spots (better for trees) and for your specs would still be fine in terms of speed and powder float, IMO.
I really like Flux bindings. Really good response, great ankle support, great adjustability, comfortable and all round well built. The biggest downside of them is less shock absorption than most bindings. If you can get past that, they are awesome bindings. The Flux GS I think would be the best match to the Equalizer and what you’re describing. But if you wanted to go a little stiffer and wanted to drive the board a little harder, the GX would certainly work too.
Hope this helps
Erin says
Thanks so much Nate! Really appreciate you taking the time to respond! I am going with the Equalizer 146 and Flus GS. I can’t wait to hit the slopes!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Erin. Happy riding!
Elaine Tam says
Hi Nate,
Really enjoy reading your reviews, it has helped both myself and my friends in figuring out what boards are good for us. I’m looking to buy a new board as I’m looking to go out west next year to do more powder runs. I live out east in Toronto so the runs are usually more groomed and icy.
I’m 37, 5’5, usually between 155-165 pounds, and currently I ride a Never Summer Men Cobra 153cm with the Union Legacy binding and I wear Size 7.5 men burton photon boots. The cobra board is about 7 years old so I’m looking for an all mountain board for more icy and hard snow condition that is also good for powder riding. I’m an intermediate rider. I don’t ride fast, hence I do a lot of turns when I ride to check the speed when I carve.
I’m planning to use the Union Strata men medium binding with this new board. A couple of boards that I’m considering is there Yes Hel Yes 155cm (not sure if they go any longer), the Bataleon storm 156cm, and Bataleon thunder 153cm. Would really appreciate any other recommendation or whether you think the ones that I’m considering is a good fit for me 🙂 thank you for your help Nate!
Nate says
Hi Elaine
Thanks for your message.
I think the Hel Yes would work really well. But I would be looking more at the 152 for that. For your specs, ability and how you describe your riding, I think that would be perfect size. I think going 155/156 is too long, taking everything into account.
I don’t test Bataleon boards, so can’t say much about them not having had any experience with them. Length-wise I think the 152 Thunder could work, but I think it’s a bit wide for your boots. The 152 (rather than 156) Storm looks like a good option on paper. I don’t know how well Bateleon ride in icy conditions though, as I haven’t ridden any.
In terms of bindings, the Legacy is pretty close to the Strata and is likely a better size. Women’s bindings are made with women’s calves in mind, so I would stick to the Legacy (if you feel the need to upgrade you could get the newer Legacy or another option). As well as that, the Strata has quite a long baseplate and even in the medium, could be too long for the width of the boards. Also according to Union’s sizing, a Men’s US7.5 would be a better match to the Small Union Strata. I haven’t tested boots that size in the medium, so I don’t know if it would be a good fit or not, so in this case I would go with the recommendations. So if you are set on going Strata, then I’d go Small rather than medium. But I would recommend going Legacy over Strata in your case.
Some other options, if you weren’t doing any freestyle stuff and not really riding switch:
– Never Summer Lady West
– GNU Barrett
– Lib Tech Dynamiss
– Jones Dream Catcher
But I think the Hel Yes would be a really good option for what you’re describing.
Hope this helps
Elaine Tam says
Thanks Nate for your recommendation. This is extremely helpful. I was wondering if you think the Hel Yes in 149cm is better or the 152cm. I found a couple of stores that has one size or the other 🙂
Also, what would be an upgrade to the Legacy that would fit the Hel Yes board?
Hope you have a great day!
Nate says
Hi Elaine
I think the 152 is probably the best size, but 149 is doable. It’s on the shorter side for you, but in a reasonable range. I’d usually say 149 if you were riding more freestyle, but it’s still doable, particularly as you don’t ride that fast. It would be a bit more to get used to, given that your used to a 153.
Between the 152 and 149 Hel Yes, I would say:
– The 152 will be more stable at speed, float better in better and feel a little stiffer than the 149
– The 149 will be more maneuverable at slow speeds and for short/sharp turns, better for buttering and freestyle in general and feel a little more playful/softer flexing relative to the 152
Will answer your binding question in reply to your other comment.
Elaine Tam says
Hi Nate – Sorry, one last question, for bindings, I would probably buy something new. Which women binding would you recommend then? I want to correct myself that currently I’m riding a Union Trilogy and not Legacy. So I’m opened to getting any brand of binding that would fit my riding style and Yes Hel Yes board 🙂 Thanks again for your help.
Elaine
Nate says
Hi Elaine
If you’re on the Trilogy, then the Legacy, IMO, is an upgrade, and would be a good match to the Hel Yes. The main difference between the Trilogy and Legacy, IMO, is that the Legacy has better board feel and more of a springy/sharper turn feel. The Trilogy is a smoother feel and less board feel. If you’re not really riding freestyle then board feel isn’t as big a deal, but I would still say the Legacy is a step up from the Trilogy overall.
The Burton Lexa (or even Lexa X if you wanted to go a little stiffer in your bindings) would also be a great match, IMO
Elaine Tam says
Thank you Nate for all your help!!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Elaine. Happy riding!
Amber S says
Hi Nate!
I haven’t bought a new snowboard in 11 years and it was a Burton Avenue 139. I am 5’3″, 125 lb, size 7 boot. I live in Denver, but only get 3-8 days on my board these days. I’m a quick intermediate all-mountain rider and want a board for Colorado riding.
My husband loves his Never Summer board. And I was recently recommended a Lib Tech Cortado. I’d love to get your take on a recommendation. Love your list, BTW (but I’m having a hard time with your top picks being sold out). TIA
Nate says
Hi Amber
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, I would go a little longer – somewhere in the range 142-144.
If you’re not really riding switch, then something like the Cortado could work (I’d go 142 if you went for that one). Some other freeride options (more directional), so again if you’re not really riding switch:
– Lib Tech Dynamiss 142
– Never Summer Lady West 144 – a little stiffer, but still not oppressively stiff
– Burton Story Board
– GNU Barrett
– Jones Dream Catcher
– Capita The Equalizer
– GNU Klassy
I would check those out. If you do like to ride switch a bit, then an all-mountain option would be better, IMO.
Hope this helps
Amber S says
Thanks so much for the quick reply!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Amber. Happy riding!
Jenn says
Hi Nate,
I love reading all your reviews and threads. I have a binding question for you…
I just picked up a 146 Yes Hel Yes and a 140 Korua Dart (for powder and deep groomer carves). I have size 6.5 K2 Contour boots. What binding and size would you recommend for each board?
I’ve been looking at Union Legacy/Trilogy and Burton Lexa/Lexa X.
Nate says
Hi Jenn
Thanks for your message.
For the Dart since it’s stiffer (I believe – but don’t currently test Korua, so can’t say for sure) and because you’re looking to do deeper carves on it, I would be looking at the more responsive bindings – so I’d be leaning Lexa X for that. With the Trilogy a close second.
For the Hel Yes, I would go Legacy as a first choice. Burton Lexa would definitely work too – and even Trilogy or Lexa X, but I think having the extra board feel of the Legacy over the Trilogy on the Hel Yes would be good to have.
If you were going one binding for both, then I’d be leaning Lexa X, because I think it would work best on the Dart and still matches the Hel Yes as well, but if you’re getting one per board (which is ideal of course), then I’d go Legacy for Hel Yes and Lexa X on the Dart. Everything you’ve listed would work on either board to be fair – but those are the combos that would be most optimal, IMO.
Hope this helps
Victoria says
Hello Nate, I’m trying to decide on a new setup. 5’4″, 135 lb, size 6.5 boots that are on the bulky side (the length of the boot is 28cm). I do resort riding (moguls! people!) and love glades runs, so I want something maneuverable, but I also love speed. I also have a powder trip planned for next winter. No backcountry or park on the regular. Can you advise?
The Hel Yes reviews are off the charts. Could I pull off the 149 (smallest I can find in stock)? I’m in the middle of the weight range, but your post on waist width suggests the board might be too wide. I ride +18/0. Would the 149 be too wide? What is the ideal waist width?
If I get the Hel Yes, is the Union Trilogy is a good match? Also looking at Legacy, but it is in low stock everywhere.
Other options I’m considering because the waist is smaller: Capita Equalizer 146, Never Summer Aura 150 (146 also an option but I am over the suggested weight). How would you weigh these 3 options? All their shapes are different and I’m not sure how to evaluate CRC (Aura) vs RCR (Hel Yes, Equalizer-ish – that has a bit of flat).
Thanks in advance and thank you for your hard work on this site! It’s been invaluable.
Nate says
Hi Victoria
Thanks for your message.
If you were to go Hel Yes, I would go 146 for your specs for sure. I think the 149 isn’t super long for you, but on the long side. Doable length alone, but add the width to it and I think it’s overall too big.
Ideally with 6.5s you’d want something less than 234mm waist width-wise. That’s a rough estimate because the width at inserts differs compared to the waist depending on the board. Taking into account your boots are bulky, you probably don’t want to go too narrow, so something 230-236 is probably the way to go. It’s your foot size, rather than the length of the boot that is the main factor in creating leverage on the edges. Sizing down a little bit is a good way to compensate for a board being too wide. I would say your all-mountain size is around 147cm, so if you go with something wider, then preferably you’d size down a little from that. Especially if you want something maneuverable.
For the Aura I wouldn’t be too worried about the suggested weight. I think the 146 for the Aura would be the best size for you. You could possibly do 148, but 150 too big for the Aura for you, IMO.
Equalizer sounds like a good option for what you’re describing too and I think the 146 is a good size for you.
Between the Hybrid Rocker (CRC) and Hybrid Camber (RCR), typically Hybrid Rocker feels a little on the looser side and Hybrid Camber a bit more stable. But it depends on how much rocker is involved and how much camber is involved. A Hybrid Rocker with a lot of camber and very little rocker can feel very stable or even semi-locked in. And a Hybrid Camber can feel on the looser side if there’s very little camber and a lot of rocker. The “Ripsaw Rocker” profile on the Aura is quite stable feeling, but probably just on the looser side compared to the Hel Yes and Equalizer.
Hope this helps
Victoria says
Yes, it’s very helpful. I’m leaning towards the Capita Equalizer because it has the longest effective edge of the three for carving. Are there any cons with the Equalizer? Reviews I’ve read make it sound good for everything: powder, trees, groomers.
Oh, of the three, how would you rank them for going slow on flats or going slow when navigating resort traffic? I’ve read some reviews on TheGoodRide suggesting that certain boards aren’t great at slow speeds? What contributes to that?
Last thing about bindings – any thoughts on the Union Trilogy/Legacy vs Burton Escapades/Lexas for these boards?
Thanks so much.
Nate says
Hi Victoria
No glaring cons to the Equalizer. I would say it’s not ideal riding switch, but doable – and not amazing in the park for the likes of boxes/rails. But still fine for jumps. And decently buttery, without being ultra buttery. It’s not something that’s amazing in any one category, but certainly above average for carving, speed, trees and powder. I’d say the Equalizer probably the best for riding slow, followed by the Hel Yes, then the Aura, but all not that far apart.
A few things can contribute to a board not being great to ride at slow speeds – and bindings and boots can also contribute to how well your setup rides at slow speeds too. The main factor, IMO, is flex. Really stiff boards tend to be harder to ride slow – just a lot of effort to get them to turn when riding slow. Stiff boards also tend to be more stable at speed – so stiffer boards, in my experience, really come to life when riding fast and can actually become quite quick edge to edge when riding fast, but when you slow them down, they tend not to turn as easily as softer flexing boards. Other things, like width, sidecut, effective edge to contact length ratio and sizing all play a part too.
I would probably be leaning Legacy or Lexa for the Equalizer or any of these boards really, especially the Aura, which is a little stiffer. The Trilogy and Escapade would definitely work on the Equalizer though. There’s not really a wrong choice out of those for the Equalizer, but if I had to choose I’d be leaning Legacy/Lexa.
Sally says
Hi Nate,
I am looking to purchase a new snowboard (women) and really appreciate your reviews! I am currently riding an old Santa Cruz board (purchased when I was 16) and am interested in the Yes Hel Yes or Jones Twin Sister for the medium flex and all mountain abilities.
I am 31 years old, 5’6″, 135 lbs, and wear a size 9/9.5 boot. I have been snowboarding for about 16 years but these days, I ride about 4-10 days a year (downside of living on the East Coast). I would say I’m an intermediate/advanced rider, as I love a black diamond groomer but haven’t yet mastered moguls or switch-riding. I often ride in different mountains with various snow conditions–Tahoe, Colorado, and West Virginia.
I’d be curious for your input on the Yes versus Jones, or any other suggestions. I also plan to get new bindings so any thoughts on those would be great!
Thanks!
Sally
Nate says
Hi Sally
Thanks for your message.
Both boards are very good across various conditions. I’d say Hel Yes a little better in icy conditions but Twin Sister still good there.
Size-wise, I’d say around 148 in general, so it’s between the 146 and 149 for the Hel Yes and Twin Sister. For the Hel Yes, I’d probably be leaning 149 as the width is better for your boots. For the Twin Sister, either should be good width-wise.
For bindings, I would check out the following:
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps
Carrie says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for all your really great insight and advice. I have been riding a for a few years now. I started on a 154 Burton Amplifier that my husband had bought for his son a while back. Once I had the basics down I bought a 153 Frenemy which was the perfect transition board. This year I started riding the 149 Feelgood which I am loving. I recently bought last year’s 152 Storyboard but haven’t tried it out yet. I ride more free ride, no park or jumps. I just like to cruise down the mountain and am starting to get more comfortable at higher speeds. I am considering adding to my quiver and think the Hel Yes might fit the bill. I ride out east mostly. My local shop has the 152 left in stock but I’m not sure if I should size up to the 155. I am 5’8″, 160lbs, and wear a size 9 boot. Any other thoughts on boards that I should consider adding to my quiver?
Nate says
Hi Carrie
Thanks for your message.
I think the 152 would be the best size for you for the Hel Yes. The 155 certainly not out of range, and if you wanted it to be your longer freeride board, it’s an option for sure. But I would be leaning 152. Both would work fine width-wise, IMO.
Hope this helps
Susan says
Hey Nate –
Thanks for all your great advice. This thread has been going for a long time and I’m glad you’re still taking questions. I am about to upgrade my board and am considering a 2020 Rossi Frenemy that I found at one of my local shops.
Background: I started snowboarding two years ago because I earned free tickets to Mt Hood Meadows. Bought a woman’s 2005 Burton FeelGood on Marketplace for $75. Obviously didn’t know what that was.
Fast forward to now, I’ve been pushing pretty hard on this thing and am proud to say that I have progressed to being an intermediate rider. That said, I still feel like my progress has been slower than others due to the aggressive nature of this board and because of the jenky step in bindings it came with (please don’t laugh!).
Obviously I’m eyeing the new Burton step-ins. But that’s another conversation.
Details: I am 31 years old, 117lbs, 5′ 3 and 1/2″ size 7.5 boots and am currently on a 149cm. Based on all your responses to other people I am afraid you are going to tell me that everything I’m looking at is too big for me! Anyway, I ride frequently and in all conditions, aspire to ride switch, and currently want a one-board-quiver.
After doing some research, I decided to order a 151cm 2019 Rome SDS Reverb Rocker, which is a camber/rocker/camber and a true twin. However, when I called the store to make the order they asked why I was looking at men’s equipment (you can laugh now!) Since learning that boards NOT labeled as “women’s” are gender specific, I am back to the drawing board, which is what ultimately led me to your article.
Based on everything you’ve said, I think the Frenemy will be a good option for me. I’ve been working really hard on the FeelGood and not feeling so good, and I want to have more fun on the mountain. I also took it as a sign that the Frenemy was available in 147 at my local shop. And the price is hard to beat (270!?)
That said, I must confess that I was really excited about the Reverb Rocker and I’m wondering if you can give me a better sense comparison between these two options or maybe refer me to something similar. The RR is at the far end of my size range and has a completely different camber, but it stood out to me as a solid board that would give me a lot of growth potential.
I have no doubt that the Frenemy will feel amazing after what I’ve been riding, but I’m also wondering if the Reverb Rocker might be a better challenge long term.
Please let me know what you think!
Susan
Nate says
Hi Susan
Thanks for your message.
You are right, I am going to say that size-wise, I would err shorter for your specs. More like 141-143 ideally. But given that you’re used to riding a 149 and quite an aggressive 149 at that, you would probably fine going a little longer. I think the Frenemy would be a really good option from what you’re describing, but ideally the 144. Given what you’re used to riding, the 147 Frenemy will still feel a lot more easy going, so it’s doable for you, though typically I would say it’s too long.
Definitely wouldn’t go as long as the 151 Reverb Rocker though or that long for anything. The other thing with going for the Reverb Rocker 151 is that it’s going to be way too wide for your boots too. Width is also very important. The 151 Reverb Rocker would be a lot of hard work for you, IMO.
I don’t test Rome gear, so I couldn’t say what’s similar. But if you’re looking for something with a hybrid rocker profile (camber/rocker/camber), then there are certainly plenty of options around with those specs.
If you’re looking all-mountain, then the likes of the NS Infinity is a good option. You could also look at all-mountain-freestyle boards too. Particularly if you don’t see a lot of powder or if you don’t tend to ride in deep powder. If you do then sticking to something more all-mountain probably a good idea. But if you’re interested in all-mountain-freestyle, also checkout:
>>My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboards
And this one might be worth a look at too:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
Hope this helps
Susan Randolph says
Hey Nate, thank you for this very thorough response! I checked out your other lists and saw several other boards I have been looking at. You’re totally right, the Reverb Rocker is going to be way too wide for me! I compared the specs and looks like it’s almost 9mm wider than the Frenemy!! The good news is that the 147 Frenemy is exactly the same width as my current board, so I decided to go for it. I do tend to ride a lot in powder so I think sticking with all mountain is the right choice. I’m shopping for boots tomorrow and am hoping to get out in the snow this weekend. Thanks for all your great advice!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Susan. If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get the Frenemy out on snow. Happy riding!
Jenn says
Hi Nate!
I’m in a similar boat to a commenter below who’s looking to upgrade their Frenemy. On your snowboarding levels spectrum, I’m a level 5, borderline 6. I’m mostly looking for something a little faster. I mostly ride groomers with occasional powder days, some trees, and infrequent icy terrain, though I want to start riding switch and playing with natural features, ollies, buttering, etc. I have no interest in the park.
5’3″, 128lb, size 6.5 boots
I was looking at the Hel Yes, but it looks like most women’s YES boards are sold out now. I’m scouring the used market and found these options:
– Jones Dream Catcher 148: seems long for me and the waist width is 240
– Jones Women’s Flagship 144: waist 237. An older model. I think 2017
– Nitro Drop 146: directional so maybe not ideal, but it has a narrower waist at 235
What are your thoughts on these, especially the Nitro? I’m also open to new if there’s a board that sounds like a slam dunk for me.
Nate says
Hi Jenn
Thanks for your message.
Dream Catcher 148, I think is too big overall, especially when taking into account length and width.
The size of the Flagship is certainly a better fit, but it is quite a stiff board and quite directional also. Wouldn’t be that well suited to switch, ollies, buttering etc. Otherwise would work, but not great for those things.
I don’t know the Nitro Drop well, but I think that size would be doable. On paper it could work, but like you mention it’s quite directional, so won’t be the best for riding switch and freestyle stuff in general. It might be a little easier to butter than the Flagship as it looks like it’s not as stiff. Out of those I would be more inclined to the Nitro Drop, but not perfectly suited to what you’re describing.
I think something like the Dream Catcher in the 145 or if you were happy to sacrifice a little in terms of powder for more freestyle ability (but still good on groomers):
– Lib Tech No.43 146
– GNU Ladies Choice 145.5 (not as wide as it looks based on waist width. Still a little wide for you, but certainly not as wide as the Dream Catcher 148)
– Never Summer Women’s Proto Synthesis 145
– Jones Twin Sister 143 (it’s wide for you, but going shorter would make bring back some of the maneuverability lost for being wider)
Hope this helps
Jenn says
Hi Nate,
I thought I responded, and now I’m not sure if I did since I know you have to approve posts. Anyway, if not: thanks for your help! I’m intrigued by the asym boards. What do you think about last year’s Never Summer Women’s Proto Two in a 142 (all I could find)? My stance width is ~18″ so I thought it might be more appropriate too. Its range is 16.5 – 22″ vs 18-22.5″ for the 145 (2020).
I’m also considering a GNU Ladies Choice, 2017, 142.5cm. Is that too short? Even worse for powder? And what do you think about buying older boards like 2017 boards? Could the material degrade enough or the tech change enough in that time that it’s not worth the savings?
Thanks again.
Nate says
Hi Jenn
Ladies Choice a little better in powder than the PT2, IMO, so as far as asym boards go, it’s one of the better in powder. And should be fine if you don’t see powder that often or if it’s not typically that deep.
2017 for the Ladies Choice, the main change since then for that board, is that it changed to a C2X camber profile from C2. Which basically means a little more camber in the C2X version and a little less rocker. So it was a little less camber dominant in the 2017 model. I think it changed to C2X for the 2018 model. I think in general, going back to 2017 is OK depending on the board. In this case, it depends if you’re OK with the different camber profile.
In terms of size, I don’t think 142.5 is wrong for you for the Ladies Choice. Both 142.5 and 145.5 will work, but will have different personalities. Some things to consider:
– The 142.5 won’t be as good for float in powder as the 145.5 and won’t feel as stable when riding fast
– The 142.5 will be easier for ollies, buttering and be more maneuverable at slower speeds and therefore better for tight spaces
The 142.5 is also better a better fit for your boot size.
Same differences between the 142 and 145 PT2. And again, both sizes work for your specs, just with subtly different strengths and weaknesses.
Also, the smaller versions will feel a little softer flexing than their longer counterparts.
So long as you can fit your stance width on the board, I wouldn’t necessarily choose the size based on that. But if that’s a tie breaker, then that’s another plus for the smaller size if you were to go PT2. But I before I chose based on that, I would look at whether you think you’d prefer a little longer for better powder float and stability at speed or the shorter length for better maneuverability/butterability.
Emilee V says
Hello! I started riding last season and got a few days in before COVID shut everything down. This season, I have about 10 days in so far and am confidently connecting turns and riding blues in Utah. I’m looking forward to riding powder days, but this season has had some pretty hard snow so far. I’m interested in riding switch and mostly just cruising down the mountain and playing in powder. Not sure what else I’ll feel drawn to as I progress.
I’ve been borrowing an older (2013?) Burton Feather 144 and after reading a lot of reviews, just found and purchased a new Rossignol Frenemy 147 that was on sale. I’m 5’6 and 126 lbs, my snowboard boots are size US 7.5. My question is – should I continue to learn a bit more on the board I started with (Burton Feather 144) and wait until later in the season to hop on the new board or would I be better off getting on it right away? Also I guess I’m looking for validation that the frenemy `147 is a good size for me to have for the next few years.
Nate says
Hi Emilee
Thanks for your message.
I would say the 147 is at the upper end of your range size-wise and more of a size for you as a more advanced rider. So I would probably continue to progress on the 144 Feather for now. However, if you wanted to give the Frenemy a go and see how you get on, you could. If you feel comfortable riding it, that’s great. But if you feel you’re struggling with it, I would go back to the Feather until you’ve progressed a bit more, rather than trying to force yourself to stick with it.
Hope this helps
Elisabeth says
Hey Nate,
I’m an advanced rider, been riding since I was 13 and I’m 32 now. My snowboard is a very old brand, I don’t think they even sell it anymore, but it’s still in good shape and I use it all the time. Last year I went to Vermont and tested out some new boards and it made me want one. I’m 5’3 and 125lbs…my board is 152, which I’m told is kind of big for my height? I ride with an aggressive stance. I’m looking for a board that’s mostly great with carving and ripping the trail, but would also be good on jumps/rails if I chose to do so. What do you suggest?
Nate says
Hi Elisabeth
Thanks for your message.
Yeah it’s quite big for your specs overall. More so to do with weight than height these days. I would have you on around a 145/146, but given that you like to ride quite aggressively and since you’re used to a longer board for such a long time, I probably wouldn’t opt to go that much shorter, unless you think you would prefer shorter – or if you rode shorter boards when you were testing boards out and liked them. Otherwise, I would size down a little from 152, but maybe more in the range 148-150.
In terms of the board, I think you’re in the right place here with all-mountain boards. If you don’t really ride powder or not much, then you could also look at all-mountain-freestyle. From this list, I would be leaning towards YES Hel Yes and Jones Twin Sister, not just because they’re on the top of the list here, but because they strike a good balance in term of being good for carving/speed, but also good for jumps/rails. If you wanted to sacrifice a little on rails for more carving/speed, then the Burton Feelgood or Arbor Swoon Camber also come into play.
You could also check out the following, if you don’t really see powder much or don’t tend to ride in powder:
>>My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboards
Pay attention to the score breakdowns to see what might suit you best.
Hope this helps
Gabriela says
Hi,
I am an advanced rider that lives on the East Coast so mostly doing groomed and icier runs but loves backcountry and tree runs. I do once a year go out West so want something that can also handle some backcountry power if needed. I currently ride an Ride snowboard (forget what model), 154 length and am 5’6″ 155lbs, size 10 shoe. I find this board less responsive than I would like so am looking to upgrade. I keep coming across the Yes Hel Yes, Ride WarPig, Gnu Essential Service and Jones Twin Sister. Any advice on differentiating between those 4? Thanks for the help
Nate says
Hi Gabriela
Thanks for your message.
First thing I would do is size down a little. Particularly when it comes to trees, but even just on icy groomers, I think you’ll appreciate a slightly shorter board. For your specs, I would be looking at something 149-151, maybe 152, if you really want more stability at speed and float in powder, but I think as a balance between everything that 149-151 range would work best, IMO. Which for me puts the Essential Service out, given the shortest size is 155.
– YES Hel Yes 149 (or 152) would be a really good option, IMO, only concern is width. Depending on your brand of boots and your binding angles, I think you could get away with it width-wise. If you ride with a flat back foot (like a binding angle of 0 or 3 or something like that) and have bulky boots, then it might be little narrow. But with more angle on your bindings and/or lower profile boots, it’s a width you could get away with and would make a really good option, IMO.
– Jones Twin Sister 149 (or 152). Another really good option, IMO. And I don’t think you’d have any width issues. This board is quite wide at the inserts compared to the waist width, particularly if you’re riding it at it’s reference stance. But even if you ride at a narrower stance, the width should be all good, IMO.
– Not sure there’s a good size for the Warpig. The 148 is going to be way to wide at that length, IMO. The 142 would be your best option, IMO, but not sure you want to go that short? Also in my experience I didn’t find it to have great edge hold in hard/icy conditions. Not with Ride boards in general. Not terrible either by any means, but the Twin Sister and Hel Yes better in those types of conditions, IMO.
Hope this helps
Gabriela Poles says
thanks for the help, this is great. I was leaning towards the Jones Twin Sister and I think this seals the deal. Looking forward to trying the new board out!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Gabriela. If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it out on snow. Happy riding!
Elena says
Hi Nate! Thanks a lot for your help with my setup. So, my friend ask me to write you some questions too 🙂 She is intermediate rider who prefer all-mountain riding and freeride. This season she she want to change her board (Rossignol Frenemy) for something more stiff. What can you say about Nidecker Princess? Will it be OK or too much for intermediate rider?
And what board can you reccomend?
Thank you.
Nate says
Hi Elena
Good to hear from you again.
I don’t currently test Nidecker gear, so I can’t say anything from firsthand experience. On paper it looks like it’s a good option for how she likes to ride – certainly a freeride board. Because I’m not familiar with Nidecker I couldn’t say how it would feel in terms of flex, but from a little research it certainly looks like it would be stiffer than the Frenemy and overall quite an aggressive board from what I’ve read. Probably not ideal for an intermediate rider. Some good options that are freeride oriented, but an easier going ride (from what I can tell) than the Princess:
– Lib Tech Dynamiss
– Jones Dream Catcher
– Capita The Equalizer
– GNU Klassy
All a little more advanced and more freeride oriented than the Frenemy, but not too big a step in terms of ability and more suitable for an intermediate rider, IMO, than how the Princess looks to be on paper.
Hope this helps
Elena says
Hi Nate! Yes, that’s really helps. My friend decide to go with Capita The Equalizer 🙂
Nate says
Hi Elena.
Hope you both have an awesome season!
Elena says
Thanks a lot! Hope you will have a great season too 🙂🏂
Isabel says
Hi Nate,
I am currently riding a Gnu B Nice 142.5 with Union Rosa bindings and size 6 Ride Sage boots. I am 5’3″ and about 120 lbs and I’ve been riding this setup for 2 seasons. I was looking at the Yes Hel Yes at the end of last season but was hesitant due to the smallest size being a 146 and decided to wait. This year Yes has the Hello which I noticed is like a softer version of the Hel Yes. I was thinking that I could get the Hel Yes for better carving, higher speeds, and for those occasional powder days here in NH. I was also thinking of getting a new set of Union Trilogy bindings to go with the new board. Do you think the Hello might be a better option since its a softer board at that larger size? If I were to get one of these boards do you think the B Nice could become a like park board for me? Also I’m slightly clueless 😅 which one do you think would perform better in the trees, the B Nice or one of the Yes boards? Thanks for all your help.
Nate says
Hi Isabel
Thanks for your message.
146 is on the longer side for you, IMO. Doable, but I’d prefer to see you on something closer to 143, 144. Going with the Hello over the Hel Yes, would make it easier to manage for sure, so if you do go for one of those in a 146, I think that’s probably the best option.
The Trilogy would be a great match for the Hello, IMO.
The B Nice would make a really good park board option in that quiver, IMO.
In trees, the Hello and Hel Yes would go better in trees when there’s lots of powder in there, IMO. Without much powder, I’d say fairly similar length-for-length, but the B-Nice potentially a little better, just because it’s shorter.
Hope this helps
Isabel says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the response as it really does help a lot. I ultimately agree with you on size. I guess I was hoping I might be able to get away with it since I was a fan of the Hel Yes, but I’m sure I can find a board that’s literally a better fit for me, lol. Thanks for the insight on the bindings, potential 2 board quiver, and performance in the trees as well. It looks like I’ll need to do some more shopping around. I’ve had a good look through your site, but I know not all the boards are necessarily similar to each other. Would you be willing to point me in the direction to some comparable options that I could look further into?
Nate says
Hi Isabel
Some comparable options:
– Jones Twin Sister 143
– Jones Dream Catcher 145 (this is a board you can ride a little longer – i.e. it feels smaller than the overall length suggests – you could go
– Salomon Rumble Fish 144 (not quite as good in powder as the 2 above, but still OK, and if you don’t see it that much, should be fine)
– Rossignol Frenemy 144
I’ve chosen these as boards with similar camber profiles and flex to the Hel Yes and Hello (and suitable for how you describe your riding). There are other options like:
– GNU Ladies Choice
– Lib Tech Dynamiss
That would also work.
Catherine Lessard says
Hi Nate,
Thank you for such amazing review and information.
I need your advice in choosing the right board lenght.
I found a good deal (50 % off, yay for off season sales!) on Burton Feelgood and I am wondering if I should get a 146 or a 149.
Stats:
5’4, 127 lbs, size 8 boots
Previous board that I owned:
Burton freedom (back in the days, Victoria Jealouse’s pro board) 152 (was a bit long)
Boards that I currently have :
Burton Malolo 149 (year 2007, 50 cm setback) : love it for carving and riding powder, when there is some. The lenght feel good.
Ride OMG 147 (year 2014) : I bought the board to be able to learn to ride switch and still be able to carve. The lenght feel good as well, yet sometime I wished it was maybe setback or maybe a bit longer ? Yet, it is easier to ollie then my Malolo (long nose!)
Type of riding I do :
Groomers, ride fast & carve mainly – I am an advanced rider for just riding along
Trees riding
I don’t go in the park or pipe
I would like to keep learning to ride switch and learn to do butter, ollie higher, maybe do an 180 while riding off an ollie if i can.. As you can see, I want a fast board that can carve as it’s mainly what I do, but that can provide me with the opportunity for learning some new thing. But I have no interest in the park and I know that I will want to keep going fast and carve, thus do not want a too soft or short a board.
I will get the Feelgood in either 146 or 149, but I also intend of getting the Hel Yes in either 146 or 149, if I can find a demo and try it before. I will probably sell my Ride OMG and keep my Malolo for pow.
Will I notice a difference between the 146 or 149 Feelgood ? What about tight turns, medium and big radius turns ?
(Intuitivly, I’m thinking the 149 will feel like my Malolo for carving, but the 146 will be easier to ollie. Yet, can the 146 still be fast and be stable, as it is stiff ?)
What about the 146 or 149 Hel Yes ?
Thank you very much for your recommendation and your advice !
Nate says
Hi Catherine
Please see my response to your comment on the Burton Feelgood Review
Amy says
Hi Nate,
I have gone snowboarding maybe 10-15 times, and I have been using rental boards. I am now ready to buy a board. Since its off season I have found some pretty good deals on gear. I am looking to getting the arbor swoon, but I can’t decide whether to get the camber or rocker version. I want an all mountain board that will work in my conditions. I live in Southern California, and mostly ride Bear mountain, and at times go to Mammouth if I can. I am also looking at getting the union trilogy bindings. Will that be a good match with the arbor board? Also, what size board do you recomend, I am looking at a 144cm. I want this board to last, and I’m only 15 so I should still have a couple of years left to grow. For reference, I am 5’2”, about 115 lbs, and wear a size 7.5 boot. Thanks, anything will help.
Nate says
Hi Amy
Thanks for your message.
I would go for the rocker version, if I was you. Firstly, because I think it would be the better option for you in terms of skill level and because it’s probably better for the conditions you’ll ride in. But that’s assuming you want to take advantage powder when you get it. If you think you probably won’t venture off piste at all, and you think you’ll probably be a more aggressive rider (i.e. riding fast, doing big carves etc), then that would make me lean a little more towards the camber. But otherwise, I would go rocker for you.
Size-wise, I think ideally you’d get the 140. But I definitely understand that it’s an investment getting a board and there’s often a lot of research involved, so I get the need to want something that will last you. I’m not a big fan of getting a board to “grow into” because it can slow/limit your progression, particularly if it’s way off. But in your case, given that you’ve still got growing to do, I get it and I think that’s doable. 144 is a little big for your specs right now, IMO, but it’s not way off. I think at around 5’4″/5′”5 and around 120lbs/125lbs, then it becomes a very good size.
Width-wise, both the 140 and 144 would work fine, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Sarah Walker says
Hi Nate!
Thank you so much for your awesome website. I have been trying to decide between the Jones Dreamcatcher and Twin Sister, and finally chose the Dreamcatcher. My question concerns size. I am an intermediate rider 5’7″, 138pounds with an 8 boot size. I have been riding a Burton Feelgood 152 for the last 12 years. I usually rind on piste and like to carve. I don’t ride in parks or do any jumping, nor do I ride switch. I am pretty boring and just like to bomb downhill. Powder is my favorite, but have not gotten to ride in it much the last few years. I ride in the West and South West.
I purchased the Dreamcatcher 151 as requested by the folks at Jones. I just received it and it is a lot wider than I expected. I am considering exchanging it for the 148. What do you think?
Thanks so much for your help!
Warm Regards,
Sarah
Nate says
Hi Sarah
Thanks for your message.
Yeah the Dream Catcher is a little wider than normal (typical of a lot of Jones boards). And usually I would say something around 148, 149 for your specs, as an intermediate rider would be the way to go. But for a couple of reason’s I prefer the 151 for you for the Dream Catcher. Firstly, because you’re already used to a 152 – and secondly, the 152 you’re used to will have a lot more effective edge than the 151 Dream Catcher.
But going shorter on a board that’s on the wide side is also a legit thing to do, so it’s a tough call. Usually I would say if you’re looking at 149 Mountain Twin, then go 151 Dream Catcher. And I think 149 Mountain Twin would be the way to go for you. I’m hesitant to say go down to 148 for the Dream Catcher though, especially as you’re used to the 152 Feelgood, and going down to 148 Dream Catcher would be a big drop in effective edge.
In terms of width, just looking back at the specs of older Feelgood’s, it looks like there was a 240mm waist width on the 152. The Dream Catcher has a 242mm waist width. So in terms of waist it’s not that much wider. But in terms of width at inserts it’s a good bit wider. I would estimate the Feelgood 152’s width at inserts is likely no more than 250mm. The Dream Catcher 151 on the other hand is 255mm at the tail insert and 257mm at the nose insert (at reference stance). So a good bit wider. Usually wide enough that I would say size down, but my biggest concern there is effective edge for you. Part of the reason that the Dream Catcher is wider is because of quite a wide reference stance of 550mm (21.6″). If you were to ride it narrower, say at 510mm (20″), then that would make it feel narrower – likely around 253mm at the back insert and 255mm at the front. Still decently wider than the Feelgood, but would narrow it up a little.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Stefanie says
Hello Nate,
Great information on women boards, there are brands I never heard of. Thanks for that.
I want to upgrade to a new board also, been riding for I guess 15 years but bought a used board back than for beginners not knowing anything about snowboarding.
I always go to AUSTRIA when it comes to winter vacation for the great mountains. I love to go fast with the snowboard so that my friends who all ski don’t have to wait for me all the time. When there is a little more time, I love to carve but I don’t really go in the park for flips or anything, I guess I’m too scared to hurt myself. When it’s snowing I love the powder but I don’t go a lot off the track (I got lost a couple of times in front of water holes and had to walk in the deep snow – too much honestly😉😁).
What would your recommendation be for me? Do you know the board Nitro Victoria? I went for a test run and liked the speed.
Cheers Stefanie
Nate says
Hi Stefanie
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden many Nitro boards, so I’m not that familiar with them, and I haven’t ridden the men’s equivalent of the Victoria, so I can’t give you much on that one.
But looking at the specs, sounds like it’s a mid-stiff board with a full camber profile. So probably quite an aggressive ride for speed and carving, which it sounds like you’re mostly into. It’s got a directional sidecut, a longer nose than tail and a small setback. So it’s relatively directional, which is probably going to suit you as well, unless you like to ride switch a lot. Probably not going to be the best in powder, just not having any rocker in the profile, but not the worst either, given it’s directional nature. If you’re not riding powder that much, or if you’re never in really deep powder, then it will do the job fine.
The closest equivalent in this list is the Burton Feelgood.
From this list in general, I would be looking at the Feelgood, Swoon Camber, Hel Yes or Twin Sister. The other’s aren’t going to give you the kind of speed performance you’re looking for, I don’t think. If you don’t go Nitro Victoria but want similar, the Feelgood or Swoon Camber are the closest, especially the Feelgood. If you wanted just a bit more forgiveness, then the Twin Sister or Hel Yes are the way to go.
If you’re not riding any switch or freestyle and want a bit more in terms of powder performance, then you could also check out:
>>My Top 5 Women’s Freeride Snowboards
Hope this helps
Lynn says
Hi Nate,
I am running GNU B-Nice now and hope to have an upgrade. I am looking on sales boards in Canada and only ROSSIGNOL Justice and Frenemy are on sales here. Would you recomment me go Justice or Frenemy? Hope to know if it will be a necessnary upgrade from B nice, or you recomment other boards? I am pretty intermediate riders, learning true carving now, next step maybe pratice small jumps during normal ride. I am 166cm and 51 kg without gears with boots size women 7.
thanks,
Nate says
Hi Lynn
Thanks for your message.
As an intermediate rider and based on what you’re describing, I think the Frenemy would be a good step up from the B Nice, without reaching too far. The Justice is quite a stiff flexing option, and might be a step too far – and would also make it quite difficult to learn small jumps as well. I think the Frenemy would be a really good step up.
Size-wise, I think the 144 would be your best bet for the Frenemy, for sure. In general I would say around 142-144 for your specs as an intermediate rider.
Hope this helps with your decision
Heather Kalman says
I’m an intermediate to low-advanced rider and I’m interested in upgrading. I’m 5’4” and weigh 140lbs. If it helps; I don’t go in the park, I ride goofy most of the time but do enjoy riding switch every once in awhile. (Riding conditions: I live in BC and my home mountain is Big White but I tour throughout other BC resorts when I can) I currently ride a 149cm YES Emoticon with RIDE Bindings, the board is good but I don’t feel comfortable going fast. I like to carve and ride on edges yet I don’t feel stable on this board. I am looking for an all mountain board that would not be too stiff (still be nice is softer snow) but will let me carve a bit more and feel stable at higher speeds but also one that I can use in powder.
Nate says
Hi Heather
Thanks for your message.
If you otherwise like your Emoticon, then I think the Hel Yes would be a good option. It’s a good step up and would certainly give you more in terms of carving, speed and powder. It’s a stiffer flex than the Emoticon for sure, but it’s not overly stiff. Something that you can still ride switch on too – but overall a little more directional. I would stick with 149. I think that’s a good size for you.
But if you wanted to change brands, then the Jones Twin Sister is also a good option, that would fit what you’re describing too.
You could also look at some freeride options (they’re often but not always stiffer, so we could look at softer (around that 6/10 flex mark) options if you were interested), but you would be sacrificing in terms of switch with those. Let me know if you wanted to check those out, and I can give you some good options, otherwise, I think the Hel Yes or Twin Sister would work really well for what you’re describing.
Hope this helps
Courtney says
Hi Nate,
You have great information for women riders, thank you! I’m looking at getting a new board and wondering what you recommend? Currently looking at the 2020 YES Hel Yes 149 or 152 and the 2020 Jones Twin Sister 149 or 152.
I’m an intermediate rider (level 5/6 based on your chart) and I’m looking to advance and go a bit faster. I’m 5’2”, 160lbs, wear 2018 Vans Aura Boa 8.5 boots, and have 2018 Burton Women’s Lexa Re:flex Bindings. I ride primarily in Tahoe and a little in CO.
I currently ride a 2008 Arbor Cadence 146 that I’ve been riding from 2008-2011, 2015-now. Kids caused a bit of a hiatus from riding, but now I’m able to ride more often again, yay!
The Arbor has been really good to me, it’s been great riding it and it really grew with me as a rider, but now I don’t always feel confident with it holding an edge on sometimes icy/crusty conditions and sometimes at high speeds it doesn’t feel super stable. This could just be that it’s too small of a board for me now?
I enjoy cruising the mountain and I want a board that can go everywhere with me, from enjoying the steeps, bowls, and trees, to cruising more slowly with the kids. All of this diverse terrain in varying conditions from powder to icy, to spring slush-this will be my one board. If I visit the parks, I’m only doing little jumps and boxes.
Thanks so much for all of your help!
Nate says
Hi Courtney
Thanks for your message. Awesome that you’re able to ride more now. I have 2 small kids but fortunately as I do this I get to ride a lot still, but my wife isn’t able to get out as much as she used to for now, but hopefully will be able to get out more as the kids get bigger.
Size-wise, I would say something around 148-150 is a good range to look at, so yeah I think you could do with a little more length over your current 146. The Cadence is more of a freestyle focused board, so going with something more versatile like the Hel Yes or Twin Sister is a great idea too, given how you describe your riding. Both would work really well for what you’re describing, IMO – they are very versatile boards for everywhere on the mountain and in all conditions.
So, yeah I would go 149 for either. 152 isn’t crazy big for you, but it’s on the bigger side, and I think 149 is right in the sweet spot for your specs and how you describe your riding.
Hope this helps with your decision
Cate says
Hi Nate,
I’m thinking about a new board that is still good for all mountain riding, but goes a bit better in the powder as I live in Japan. I don’t spend much time in the park, but am often in fairly dense trees and it can get pretty icy in the afternoons. I have an oldish K2 ecopop 155cm which I still love for resort riding but do struggle a bit when the powder is deep and terrain is not that steep – ( ie – most of the time for Japan) and thinking it could be time for a new board. I also have a jones solution splitboard 156cm which I’m playing around with in the backcountry but I still spend more time in side country.
From reading reviews I’m considering yes hel yes, but it seems hard to find it and especially in the bigger sizes. Do you have any other recommendations?
I’m 172cm and about 65kg and probably somewhere between intermediate and advanced and have some joint issues so taking it a bit easier these days.
Nate says
Hi Cate
Thanks for your message.
The Jones Twin Sister would also be a good option, and comes in a 155, if that’s the kind of size you’re looking to stick to. Should give a bit more in terms of float in powder vs the Ecopop. Good in hard/icy conditions too.
There are also more directional options you could consider. Boards that are still going to go well on groomers – not like powder specialist boards, but that are a little better in powder. There are some good options in that area (freeride boards) that aren’t too stiff as well, if you’re not looking to go too stiff (your joints may not like it if you go too stiff). You could check out the following for some good options.
>>My Top 5 Women’s Freeride Snowboards
If you want to expand on that list, let me know and I can find some other suitable options.
Size-wise, you could even go a little shorter if you wanted – 152-ish. But if you’re comfortable in that 155 range or want to keep things longer for more float in powder, then all good. But typically for your specs, I’d say more around 152. Going a little shorter would sacrifice a little in terms of float, but would be better in the trees.
Hope this helps
Cate says
Thanks for this advice Nate, it is really helpful. I have actually also been thinking about something more directional and a bit shorter to help in the trees, so your words are convincing me it could be a good idea. I don’t mind sacrificing a bit in terms of speed, riding switch and jumping, as long as I have something all purpose enough I can still have fun when there isn’t fresh snow.
Looking at the freeride list, the Dreamcatcher seems to fit this profile pretty well. Any others?
Nate says
Hi Cate
Yeah, I think the Dream Catcher would work well for that. A couple of others that come to mind are the GNU Klassy (151 or 155 options) and Capita Equalizer (150 is the longest size).
Denise says
Hi Nate,
I didn’t see a reply link on your last message, so I’m creating this new thread.
I know that the Ladies Choice is an asymmetrical board and riding with a duck stance is suggested but I’m more of a directional rider. I hardly ride switch so my bindings are set up at +15/0. Will this stance work for the Ladies Choice? Also, will moving my bindings back a little be doable so that I can get through powder? The magne-traction is leaning me more towards this board now.
Nate says
Hi Denise
You can ride an asym board without a duck stance, but it’s recommended to ride it with one. You could also set back on it. I haven’t tried it on asym and it might be weird but I’m not sure.
But since you’re more of a directional rider and want that powder performance, then I think you’d be better off going for a board that’s already designed and setup to do that. If you wanted to go something similar-ish to the Ladies Choice, but with an already directional setup and something that would suit your binding angles more, I would look at the GNU Klassy. It’s got the magne-traction too and the same camber profile as the Ladies Choice, but it’s designed already with a setback stance and is a directional ride already. I think something like that would be more suitable.
Denise says
Thanks for all your help Nate! I actually decided on the Jones Twin Sister, 146cm 🙂 Super excited to receive this board and ride this weekend. I did change my binding stance to +15/-3 and might try to gradually go to +15/-15 and see how I like it.
Nate says
You’re very welcome Denise. Awesome that you have your new deck sorted! Hope it treats you well and you have an awesome time on it. If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to ride it.
Denise says
Nate,
First impressions is the Twin Sister is amazing!!! I definitely felt how fast it wanted to go once I got off the lift. It’s amazing on groomers and turning was very easy to get used to. I paired the board with Burton Lexa bindings and they both worked really well together. I will say since the board is a lot stiffer compared to my Deja Vu, I lost my balance a few times on uneven terrain but no worries it was something I had to get used to. The Twin Sister is not as forgiving as the Deja Vu but the speed makes up for it. This board definitely wants to go fast and I didn’t lose speed even on flat green/blue runs. I was even able to keep up with my boyfriend who rides a Lib Tech T Rice Pro and he goes FAST. Mammoth unfortunately didn’t have any powder this weekend but I hope I get to take my board to Tahoe at the end of this month to see some fresh pow. This board has definitely gave me more confidence and never did I once feel like I was going to slip on thin cover groomers or hard packed snow. I didn’t realize how fast I could go until I got on this board. I love it. Thank you so much again!!
Nate says
Hi Denise
Awesome to hear that you’re getting on with the Twin Sister! And thanks for the feedback – always love to hear people’s opinions and insights.
Happy riding!
Denise says
Hi Nate,
I’m an intermediate to advanced rider. I’m interested in upgrading and I’ve been doing some research on some new snowboards. I currently ride a Burton Deja Vu Flying V, size 146cm. I love the board when the snow is soft but I don’t feel comfortable going fast during icy conditions. I live in Southern California and board just about around this area only. I ride mostly at Mammoth and Bear Mountain. I want a hybrid board that holds an edge in icy conditions and also does well in powder. I don’t do much in the park if that helps. I’m also 5’3 and weigh 145lbs. Some boards that I have on my list are:
Jones Dream Catcher
Jones Twin Sister
Yes Hel Yes
Capita Paradise
Burton Day Trader
Burton Story Board
If you could choose your top 3 to help me narrow down my search that would be super helpful.
Nate says
Hi Denise
Thanks for your message.
For what you’re describing, the top 3 from there would be the Hel Yes, Dream Catcher and Twin Sister. They are the best 3 from that list in hard/icy conditions, IMO. Something like the Day Trader or Story Board could work, but you wouldn’t see as much improvement in hard/icy conditions as the Jones/YES options there. You would see some improvement vs the Deja Vu Flying V though – so if you just wanted some improvement in icy conditions they could come back in to it. Noting that between them, that the Story Board is a little stiffer. The Paradise s OK in powder, but not as good as the others on this list – and not as good for hard/icy as the HY, TS & DC. So yeah, if you’re looking for that significant increase, then I’d go one of those.
Size-wise, I would think about going a little longer too – up to 145-147. If you know you like shorter boards, it’s not something you have to do – but based on specs/ability/how you describe your riding, I think that would be a good size range to look at.
Hope this helps
Denise says
Thanks so much for all the info. The Hel Yes is sold out so I think I’m now deciding between the Jones Twin Sister, Dream Catcher, and the Lib Tech No 43. What do you think about the 43?
Also, for the Twin Sister and No 43, I see there is only 146cm and 149cm. Do you suggest I go to the 149cm? For the Dream Catcher I would also be in between the 145cm and 148cm, so I’m not sure if I should size down or go up for that one. I wear a size 9 boot if that helps.
Nate says
Hi Denise
The No.43, IMO, isn’t as suitable for powder as the Jones options. Will be fine in shallow powder, but when it gets deeper will be more of a fight to keep the nose afloat. Otherwise a good option, but if you need more in powder, then Mountain Twin or Dream Catcher are the better options, IMO.
Sorry size-wise I said to size up and then basically gave you the same size you’re already on! For some reason, I was thinking your Deja Vu was a 143.
For the Mountain Twin I would say 146 and for the Dream Catcher 148. The Dream Catcher is a board you can ride a little longer. For the No.43 I’d say 146. But it’s probably getting a bit narrow for size 9s. Even the 149 No.43 could be pushing it. I know it looks similar to the Dream Catcher 148 in terms of waist width, but it’s narrower at the inserts vs the Dream Catcher. You’d probably still be OK on the 149, but I would say that the 146 is the slightly better length for you, and that’s getting quite narrow for 9s, IMO.
Denise says
Thanks so much Nate, your insight is helping me but also is making me more curious! I just looked up the waist width on the No 43 and wow it’s pretty narrow. Well more narrow than my Deja Vu. So I think that option for me is eliminated.
What do you think about the GNU Ladies Choice and Pro Choice in comparison to both Jones Dream Catcher and Twin Sister? I’ve read the GNU boards have a good edge hold but to me it seems more of a park board. Also, what size would you recommend for the GNU?
Nate says
Hi Denise
Yeah the Ladies Choice/Pro Choice have really good edge hold. The Pro Choice is predominantly camber and a little more aggressive vs the Ladies Choice. The Ladies Choice is also a little better in powder, so for you, I would be looking at Ladies Choice. I would call the Ladies Choice all-mountain-freestyle. Not strictly a park board – something that certainly performs very well in the park, but can ride the rest of the mountain well too. More freestyle/park focused than the likes of the Twin Sister/Dream Catcher, but not strictly park. A similar kind of board to the No.43. It’s not going to be as good in powder vs the Jones options, but it’s just a little better in powder than the No.43, IMO.
Size-wise it’s a tough choice between the 145.5 and the 148.5. I would be leaning towards the 145.5 though. You’d get that little bit more in terms of speed and powder out of the 148.5, but overall I think the 145.5 is the better fit. The 145.5 is likely a little narrower overall, at the inserts vs the De Ja Vu, but I think it’s doable, especially with +15/-15 binding angles. Note that the Ladies Choice is an asym board (different heel edge vs toe edge), so riding it with a mirror duck stance is preferred for it. I really like the feel of Asym twins personally, but just thought you should know that’s what it is, in case that’s not something you want.
Mie says
Hi Nate
first of all i am blown away by your knowlege, and i hope you can help me with deciding witch All mountain board to buy ( i am loosing my mind here, trying to get the “perfect board”;))
I am a woman on intermediate level, been riding about 10 yeas on a Jeenyus camber 148, witch might has been too short and has definitely been stopping me to progress some times (it is super catchy and I have been falling flat hard a lot) and it does requires a lot of effort and energy. On the other hand it did force me to have a very good technique.
I am 180cm tall and 62 kg, my boots are us size 9 (both Boots and binding are Burton – medium flex).
I am looking for a board that is very catch free, but still stable at speed, I am not super fast, but want to be more confident on a new board to gain more speed. i do like to ride switch, do butters and play around, but not in the park
I ride mostly pistes and a little bit of powder and trees (my riding bodys are all skiing). Mostly in Austia and France.
These are the ones that i am intersted in:
Burton feelgood Flying V
Burton Yeasayer Flying V
Burton Yeasayer flat top
Arbor Swoon rocker
Jones Twinsister
Or??
I was told that the flying V, is difficult to manage in flatter terrains (riding from mountain to mountain) have you any experience with that?
Thank you so much in advance and sorry for the novel 🙂
Best Mie
Nate says
Hi Mie
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of size, I think you could size up a little, but I wouldn’t go too much bigger. I think something around 150, 151 would be a good bet for you.
The Flying V profile can make things a little trickier when traversing, but it’s nothing too bad. The Flying V is quite a loose feeling profile, that’s very catch-free and easy to ride. The medium flex of the Feelgood Flying V somewhat counters that looseness, compared to if it was softer flexing, but still pretty loose feeling. The edge-hold in hard/icy conditions isn’t great with the Flying V either, so that’s certainly something to consider. In softer snow, it’s a very good option though, IMO.
Unlike the Feelgood camber, the Flying V version is softer flexing, as well as having that different camber profile – so the Flying V version is more like 5/10 flex vs the 7/10 flex on the Feelgood. The Yeasayer is a little softer again – maybe like 4/10. The Flat Top version is a little more stable feeling than the Flying V and feels a little stiffer too. It’s still quite catch-free, but not quite as loose a feel to it. The Swoon Rocker is probably around a 5.5/10 flex – it feels just a touch softer than the Camber version (which tends to be the case with camber vs rocker). It’s also on the looser side with all that rocker, but Arbor’s rocker isn’t as loose feeling as other “all rocker” boards, but still relatively loose.
The Twin Sister is a very stable feeling board, and I would say the most stable feeling of the list. It’s a little stiffer too. 6/10 flex I would say or maybe even a touch more. You could ride the Twin Sister a little shorter than that suggested range (i.e. going for the 149 vs the 152) if you wanted to mellow it out a bit. It’s not overly aggressive by any means – not to the extent of something like the Feelgood camber, but it’s a little more board to handle vs the others on the list. But I wouldn’t call it catchy.
Overall, I think if you’re OK with a loose feeling and little bit wobbly on those traverses, and don’t see too much in the way of hard/icy conditions, then the Feelgood Flying V or the Yeasayer Flat Top could work well. But if you want a more stable feel, with better edge-hold in hard/icy conditions, in a slightly more advanced ride (but still good for a solid intermediate rider), then the Twin Sister would be what I’d go with. The Arbor Swoon rocker has a little better edge-hold, so that’s something that’s a little looser than the Twin Sister, but not as loose as the Flying V, but a little better edge-hold vs the Flying V.
Overall, from what you’re describing, I would be leaning Twin Sister. You could also check out the following, if you wanted more options (don’t want to confuse things more, but just wanted to make sure you have all the options at hand).
>>Top 10 Intermediate Snowboards
Hope this helps with your decision
Mie says
Hi Nate
Thank you so much for your reply, it was really helpfull!
I have decided that the flying v and rocker profile is not for me, it is going to be too unstable in cat tracks and when flat basing.
But i would love to get help and expertise again.
so i have narrowed it down (and aded a few) to Jones ,twin sister or the dream catcher,
Yes, emoticon
Capita, Paradise.
my bindings are Burton Custom size S.
Thanks a lot.
Best Mie
Nate says
Hi Mie
I would say the Emoticon and Paradise are both a little more easy going than the Twin Sister or Dream Catcher but certainly not loose feeling. So, based on what you described in your first comment, I feel like they might be a good way to go.
The Emoticon (4/10) is a little softer flexing than the Paradise (5/10) with the Emoticon having the better edge hold in hard/icy conditions. But both are certainly more of a stable feel as opposed to a looser feel. Neither are great in deep powder, but if you’re not really in anything too deep, they should be fine. The Paradise a little better in powder vs the Emoticon. The Paradise also better at speed. The Emoticon is more buttery, but the Paradise is pretty buttery too. Both more buttery than the Twin Sister and Dream Catcher. Both easy to maneuver for trees etc.
Size-wise, for the Emoticon, I’d say it’s between the 149 and 152. There’s not a lot of tip and tail going on there, so there’s quite a bit of effective edge compared to overall length, which makes me lean slightly towards the 149. Of course if you wanted to improve it’s stability at speed and float in powder, the 152 would help there.
For the Paradise, the 149 is the longest option, and I would say that’s the shortest you’d want to go with that particular board, so if you went Paradise, I’d go with the 149.
Oh and apologies, I liked you to the wrong intermediate list in my last comment. Should have been:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
Some other options, if you haven’t already considered them would be the Salomon Rumble Fish, Never Summer Infinity and Rossignol Frenemy.
Anya says
Hi Nate,
Thank you for sharing all the information online, the input you provide is great! I’m boarding for the past 18 years and I think I can say I’m an intermediate to advanced level boarder. I’m in the process of buying a new board and was wondering if you can offer some help.
I’m really excited about step on system from Burton and I think I’m set on that. I will get Felix boots in size 8,5 or 9 and appropriate burton bindings. I’m 5’-7” tall and 126 lbs. I need to find an appropriate board. I mostly board on East Coast, but I also do sometimes trips to West Coast. I enjoy trails and easy carving down the mountain, but also like to pick up on some speed when the terrain allows and even go off trail sometimes. So definitely in search for an all mountain board. I was looking at Yes Hel Yes, but the board is all sold out. Now I’m looking at the Burton Feelgood board, but the fact that you are describing it as an aggressive board is a bit scary to me. Would I be better of with Jones Twin Sister, you scored them the same. I was wondering if you can provide your perspective and advise on appropriate size for me.
Your help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Anya
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, based on how you describe your riding, I would be going with the Twin Sister. I would have also said Hel Yes, but sounds like it’s not available. The Twin Sister I think would be a better balance between aggressive and playful for you – and better in icy conditions for the East Coast riding.
Size-wise, I would go 146 for the Twin Sister for you.
A good match with the Felix too, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Anya says
Hi,
thank you for your fast response. I’m doing some more research and I’m wondering if you can provide some comparison between Twin Sister and Dream Catcher? Are both equally good? I also run into the Capita Birds of a Feather and Equalizer and I was wondering what you think about it compared to Jones Twin Sister?
Thank you again, your help is really appreciated since there is a flood of snowboards out there and buying one can get quite complicated.
Nate says
Hi Anya
The Dream Catcher is a slightly more directional board and has some different strengths and weaknesses but still a good board. You can check out my review on it to do a more thorough comparison:
– Jones Dream Catcher Review
The Birds of a Feather is a more aggressive board and a little more freestyle focused. Not great in powder and not as good in hard/icy conditions as the Jones options, IMO.
The Equalizer is a more directional option and a solid all-round choice too. Still not quite as good in hard/icy as the Jones options, but otherwise a good all-round option. Vs the Twin Sister, very similar in terms of carving, & powder. Not quite as good at speed, but a little better in uneven terrain. A little better for jumps but not as good for switch.
So based on what you’re describing, I would probably not go Birds of a Feather, but the Dream Catcher and Equalizer are viable alternatives – hope this gives you more to go off.
Anya says
Hi Nate,
Thank you again. I did a full circle 🙂 Back on Jones Twin Sister, I think it is the best option for me. I just want to verify the size. 146cm hits me right a bit above my shoulder and 149 a little below my chin. Do you still think I should go with 146 size? I feel it is a tough one since the weight recommendations are so vague. For 146 the weight is between 100-150 and for 149 the weight is between 110-160. Pretty much overlapping. Your input is greatly appreciated!
Nate says
Hi Anya
I do like to take height into account, but the most important factors for sizing are weight and boot size, so I wouldn’t worry too much about where the board sits, in terms of your chin or anything like that. 149 certainly isn’t way off for your specs. I put you roughly on about a 148, as a standard length for an all-mountain board, assuming an advanced level. So could have gone to either 146 or 149. I went 146 for a couple of reasons. Firstly, you described yourself as intermediate to advanced. I usually take off a little length for an intermediate level. Since you’re at least on the cuff of it, I wouldn’t necessarily take off size for that alone but that in addition to the other factors. Secondly, it doesn’t sound like you’re an overly aggressive rider and usually I would err longer for more aggressive riders. Thirdly, the Twin Sister is quite wide at the inserts compared to the waist, so it’s overall a wider feeling board. I usually err on the shorter length option if a board is a little wider, depending on boot size. So, overall I erred slightly shorter, rather than slightly longer.
In saying that, the 149 is certainly not out of the picture. One other thing to consider is what you’re used to riding, and if you have a preference for certain lengths. Like if you’re used to riding north of 150, let’s say, then going 149 probably makes more sense. Or if you know that you’ve ridden boards around that 146 and found them too short, then going up to 149 makes sense. On the info, I would go 146 for you. But I would definitely take into account what you’re used to riding and adjust from there if you need too – particularly since you’ve been riding for 18 years.
Sylvia says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for posting this! Really helpful to learn more about snowboard profiles.
I’m 5’7 and 163lbs and have been riding LTR rental boards (148-149cm) mostly in the east coast for the past 2 seasons, averaging about 10-12days per season. I would say i’m high-end beginner level as I managed to do blue runs in the east coast quite comfortably in good snow condition towards the end of last season.
This year I’m planning to venture out west to utah/colorado/tahoe. I’m ready for my first board and have demo the burton feel good 149cm in hard icy condition, and it was brutal, barely managed a blue run. (there was only one type of board at the resort). I was suggested the burton yeasayer 148 or rome kashmir as a start board. However, i am also looking at a couple of used board options. Would the burton feather 149 or burton genie or salomon lotus 149 suit my profile? Or do you think i should stick with the feel good if i won’t be on icy conditions? Any recommendations will be appreciated! Thank you!
Sylvia says
Forgot to add, i wear a shoe size 8.
Nate says
Hi Sylvia
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of length, I would say something between 150 and 153 for your specs, as a high-end beginner. Width-wise, I would go at least 233mm at the waist, to be safe, but no more than 243mm at the waist, if possible.
The Feelgood, assuming you rode the camber version, is a very advanced board – quite stiff and traditional camber. Pretty much the opposite of what’s good for a beginner and a long long way from the LTR! So, I wouldn’t suggest getting that board – it’s a lot of board to handle. The Feelgood Flying V version is more doable for a high-end beginner going on intermediate rider.
The Yeasayer (whether the flat-top of flying v version) is a much more easy going option and definitely doable. You could ride the 148, if you wanted to stick to a similar size that you’ve been riding and to make it even more easy going, or you could go 152 if you wanted as well – though the 152 is getting quite wide for your boots, IMO.
I don’t test Rome gear, so I don’t really know how accurate their flex ratings tend to be but just looking at the specs, I think the Kashmir will be too stiff (rated 7/10 flex). Also it’s a purely flat profile. Preferably I think you’d want some rocker in the profile. Again, I don’t know how Rome’s profile tend to feel, but looking at the specs, I wouldn’t be that keen on the Kashmir for you.
The Burton Feather is a very beginner friendly, easy going board – and would be great for your progression, IMO. The only question would be whether you could grow out of it too quickly. The same goes for the Genie. Note that the Genie is more freestyle focused and the Feather more freeride focused. So, if you did get one of those, then I would go Feather if you think you want to ride powder in the future, or already are, and Genie if you think you want to learn tricks, jumps, jibs etc. The Lotus is also beginner friendly, though maybe not quite as beginner friendly because of the profile, but still pretty soft flexing.
I would say the Yeasayer, of the boards you have mentioned, is the best option as a balance between being easy enough to progress on, but being something that you won’t grow out of too quickly. For more options that match that description, also check out:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
Or if you want the easiest possible progression and aren’t worried about growing out of it too quickly, check out:
>>My Top 10 Women’s Beginner Snowboards
Hope this helps with your decision
Mica says
Hi! Thanks for the helpful reviews.
I plan to replace my gear (from 2013) this year, and I wanted your opinion. I’m 5’2 and 150 lbs. I’ve been snowboarding for about 15 years, and I would consider myself a high intermediate / low advanced boarder. I love carving groomers, bowls, and trees and playing around on natural features.
Initially, I would typically spend 30-40 days on the mountain each season. However, I moved to Nashville eight years ago, so I only get out west a couple of weeks a year now. I’ve been researching the Yes Hel Yes, and I was curious if you thought that was a good fit for me and what size you would recommend. I’m also open to any other suggestions you have. Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Mica
Thanks for your messages.
I think the Hel Yes would be a really good fit for what you’re describing. Size-wise, the 149 would be spot on, IMO, for your specs/experience/how you describe your riding. As an experienced rider, personal preference and what you’re used to come into it as well. But based on those things I’d say 149 for sure.
Hope this helps with your decision
Mica says
Awesome! That’s the size I was thinking, but I wanted to get a second opinion. Thank you so much!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Mica. Hope you have a great season and enjoy your new board!
Mica says
Hi! Great reviews! Interested in your opinion on new gear I’m looking into. I’m 5’2 and 150 lbs and wear 7.5 boots. I’ve been riding for about 15 years. The first several years, I would go 30-40 days each season. However, now I live in Nashville and only make it out west a couple of weeks each year. I would consider myself an intermediate to advanced rider. I enjoy carving groomers, bowls, and trees. I like playing on natural features and only occasionally hit small jumps in the park. I’ve been researching the Yes Hel Yes, but I’m open to any other recommendations you may have. Thank you!
Jana Novotna says
Hi Nate,
great reviews! I have been riding on the Roxy Banana Smoothie from 2014 (size 149). It´s very playful an great when the snow is soft. I have however had quite hard time riding on a harder/icy snow. I also enjoy carving and this board doesn´t feel too stable when I ride on the edges. I am looking for an all mountain, that I can also use in powder. I was checking Jones Dream Catcher, Jones Twin Sister, Capita The Equalizer, Yes Hel, Lib Tech no. 43. I am 173 tall, shoe size 39 and 65 kg. I would be happy for any advice or suggestion. J
Jana
Nate says
Hi Jana
Thanks for your message.
I don’t think you would feel too limited by Directional Twin – it’s going to give you more versatility than a true twin – in that you can still ride it both ways, but it gives you a bit more in terms of powder. Not as much as a more directional board, but gives a good balance if you didn’t want to go fully directional.
Any of those options would be good for what you’re describing and certainly give you more stability than the Banana Smoothie (which is quite a loose board).
In terms of what’s best in hard/icy conditions, I would say Hel Yes, then Dream Catcher/Twin Sister then Equalizer.
The Dream Catcher is a little more directional than the others. So, if you think you’d prefer more directional – like if you’re really never riding switch or doing 180s, then that might be a good option for you. Otherwise, they would all be a good step up from the Banana Smoothie without being too much of a shock to the system.
The No.43 is a true twin. It would certainly be a good option if you’re looking to stay with a twin, but not as good for powder as the other options, IMO.
Size-wise, I would say something around 150-152, for your specs, what you’re describing and given that you’re quite an experienced rider. You could go a little shorter if you wanted more maneuverability, but otherwise, I think that would be a good range for you.
For the mentioned boards, I would say:
Dream Catcher: 151
Twin Sister: 149 or 152
Equalizer: 150
Hel Yes: 149 or 152
No.43: 149 or 152
Hope this helps with your decision
Jana Novotna says
Hi Nate,
thank you so much for your advice. I am really leaning towards the Hel Yes. I am planning to try a bit more freeride but unfortunately you never really know how the conditions will be and many times it gets quite icy. I don´t ride switch eventhough I try.
But the board is not too hard in case the terrain gets a bit uneven right?
Also, what binding would you suggest?
Have a great day!
Jana
Nate says
Hi Jana
I don’t think you’ll find the Hel Yes too hard in uneven terrain.
In terms of bindings I would go for something with 5/10 or 6/10 flex to match the board – something from the following would suit the Hel Yes well:
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Jana Novotna says
Hi Nate,
very last question: would the Union Juliette bindings also work. They are on a offer with Hel Yes right now but not sure if they would fit.
Thank you
Jana
Nate says
Hi Jana
I think the Union Juliet would work on the Hel Yes. It’s got a 5/10 flex, so in terms of flex it’s a close enough match. Not quite the same quality as something like the Trilogy and the Trilogy a little more responsive for sure. But for the price, the Juliet is still decent quality. Ideally if you were going Union, I would go Trilogy or Legacy for Hel Yes, but the Juliet would certainly do the job and save a bit of money
Jana says
Hi Nate,
I am looking for a new board. Since a few years I have been riding on the Roxy Banana Smoothie from 2014 (size 149). The board is very playful in soft snow but I have had difficulties riding on harder/icy snow. I like to carve and ride on edges and I didn’t feel too stable on this board. I am looking for an all mountain board that would not be too stiff (still be nice is softer snow) but will let me carve a bit more and feel stable also on harder snow but also one that I can use in powder. I don’t ride in parks but like to take advantage of the sides of the slope and any bumps I find along. I was looking at Jones Twin sister, Dream catcher, Capita The Equalizer, Hel Yes (Open for other suggestions). I am quite experienced – more than 10 years, 173 tall, shoe size 39. I was wondering if the directional twin is a good choice or if it limits you a bit. The banana smoothie is a true twin.
Thank you
Jana
Sarah says
Hi Nate,
I’m an intermediate to advanced rider. I currently ride a board that my friend made in Tahoe. I went on a backcountry trip to Baldface the past three years and always rented a board. I’m looking for an all mountain board that rides well on powder, groomers back country etc… I ride goofy and like to go fast but also be in control. I’m 5’5” and weigh about 120, foot size 7. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Nate says
Hi Sarah
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing, I think the Twin Sister or Hel Yes would be your best bets from this list. They give a good combination of float in powder and stability at speed, which are two things that it sounds like you need most. They’re also not like beasts or anything. Still fairly easy to maneuver at slow speeds, when not really charging.
If powder and speed are your main things and you want to really optimize them and especially if you’re going to be doing a fair few backcountry excursions, then you could also check out:
>>My Top 5 Women’s Freeride Snowboards
Which are more directional and more made for riding freeride. Usually a little stiffer, but not always. If you don’t ride switch or any kind of freestyle, then they’re worth checking out too.
Size-wise, I would say something around 145 would be a good bet for your specs, description of your riding and ability level.
Hope this helps with your decision
Allison says
Hey there!
I started out riding (and still am) a 155cm “beginners” board (I couldn’t tell you the brand…). Now that I’ve been riding for 5 years, it’s time for an upgrade. I’m 5’7”, at 150lbs and wear a size 10 boot. I gravitate forwards the 155cm to avoid toe and heel drag. Anyway, I ride mostly in NY – meaning little powder and lots of hard surface. I’d like to get into jumping and overall different terrain riding but feel that my board is too inflexible to provide what I need to get into the trees/jumps/etc.
Do you have any suggestions on brand/type? Thanks in advance!
Nate says
Hi Allison
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, in terms of length, I would say something around 153 would be a good bet, at an advanced level. If you consider yourself more intermediate, then around 150-152. But since you’re used to 155, then probably something around 151-154, depending would be a good bet.
In terms of width, depending on binding angles, I think something around 243mm to 250mm at the waist width as a rough estimate would work. If you ride with angles like +15/-15 you should be able to get away with going narrower than that – down to around 238mm at the waist – and if you ride with a very straight back foot, then more like 245mm to 255mm.
Assuming at least an intermediate level, and taking into account your conditions and how you describe your riding, I would suggest the following (one or more might be more relevant depending on your typical binding angles):
– Yes Hel Yes 152 (242mm waist)
– Jones Twin Sister 152 (245mm waist) – this should be wide enough regardless of binding angles. It’s wider at the inserts vs the waist than the average board
– Rossignol Frenemy 153 (242mm waist)
Since you don’t see much powder, I would also consider the following:
– Salomon Rumblefish 152 (245mm waist)
– GNU Ladies Choice 153.4 (244mm waist)
Hope this helps with your decision
Grace says
HI Nate,
I am looking at purchasing a new board for the upcoming season in Japan. I did my first season there last year and very keen to go back. However, I am having trouble deciding which board to purchase as well as appropriate length. I am fairly new to the sport [only learning to board last year], however would say I’m beginner/intermediate. I am looking for something that I can use all over the mountain.
I am 165cm, approximately 70-75kg, with a boot size US 9
Cheers,
Grace
Nate says
Hi Grace
Thanks for your message.
Being at that lower end intermediate/high-end beginner, I would recommend checking out the following:
>>Top 10 Women’s Intermediate Snowboards
Some good all-mountain options include the Infinity and the Rossignol Frenemy (also on this list). And also the Burton Feelgood Flying V (the camber version is on this list but wouldn’t recommend that for your level).
Size-wise, I think something between 148 and 150 would be a good range to look at.
So, the Infinity in the 149 – but my only concern there is if it’s a little narrow for your boots.
The 150 Rossignol Frenemy would be a good size – and I think that would be fine for your boots too.
The Feelgood Flying V 149 would be a good bet – and is also a good width for your boots, IMO.
Hope this helps with your decision
Krista M says
Hi Nate,
I’m so impressed with your knowledge and advice on boards. I’ve been riding for about 8 years now on a Ride board (143). I ride mostly east coast (WV, NC, NH, VT). I usually just ride groomed and stick to the trails (blues to double blacks) and like to cruise. I find myself struggling to keep up speed-wise with my friends, especially if I hit a cat walk. I’m thinking it’s time for a bigger board. I’m 5’6”, 135lbs, shoe size 7.5. I’m planning to ride in Utah and Colorado this winter and hopefully will ride some powder.
Also I bought flows two years ago. I can’t remember the exact model. I ordered the isis but due to the name they sent me the newer ones with a different name. I honestly struggle to get in and out of them from the back latch thing. Any suggestions on bindings as well to go with the hel yes?
I’ve been looking into the Hel yes but have no idea which size to get.
Thank you in advance!
Nate says
Hi Krista
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing, you’re definitely on the right list and on the right track with the Hel Yes, IMO. And going a little longer will certainly help with glide on those cat tracks. For your specs, I would say around 149 would be a good length to go for, assuming an advanced level of riding. If you identify more as intermediate, then you could size down a little from there. So, I think sizing up a little from what you’re currently riding makes sense, even taking cat tracks out of the equation.
So for the Hel Yes, it would be weighing up the 146 and 149.
The other option is the Twin Sister. One of the reasons, I bring this board up specifically is because I’ve found Jones boards typically have the best “glide” on flats – which would certainly also (as well as increasing the length) help you on cat tracks. But both options would def work well for what you’re describing, IMO. Size-wise for the Twin Sister, I would be leaning towards 149, but again either 146 or 149 would be what I would be weighing up for you for that board.
The Hel Yes 146 and the Twin Sister 149 have the same effective edge – so for the Twin Sister you can afford to go a little longer – which is why for the Twin Sister I would be leaning towards the 149.
Whereas I would be leaning 146 for the Hel Yes, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, because it has more effective edge vs overall length than the average board (so it will feel a little longer than the 146 suggests) and secondly, because you’re used to a 143, going up to 146 isn’t as big a leap as going to 149. For the Twin Sister, even though going 149 would be a bigger leap for overall length vs what you have, it will feel a little shorter than a 149.
One advantage of going Hel Yes over the Twin Sister is just that little bit more edge hold in hard/icy conditions and if you’re riding out East a lot you might appreciate that. That said, The Twin Sister is pretty good in that department – just not quite to the same extent as Hel Yes. The 149 Twin Sister would provide just a little better float in powder vs the 146 Hel Yes.
Hope this all makes sense and gives you more to go off for your decision
Krista M says
Hi Nate,
Thank you so much for your advice. I ordered the 149 Hel yes. I think it’s going to be a huge upgrade from my old board and give me more speed to keep up with the guys.
Now, let it snow!
Happy riding!
Thanks again.
Nate says
You’re very welcome Krista. Yes, bring on the snow! Hope you have a great season with your new board. If you think of it at the time, let me know how you go with it.
Kimberly says
Hey Nate!
I would consider myself an intermediate rider (6 based on your ability level scale). I do a lot of riding through different terrain. I mostly enjoy carving through the trees and hitting little jumps but also will occasionally zip down the groomers. I’m from the Canadian Rockies, so powder is hit or miss, but I do enjoy it when it’s around! I am beginning to peak and interest in back country but would likely look into a separate set up for that.
My current set up is a Capita birds of feather 148cm. I am looking for something a bit more responsive and suited to my riding type. I am 5’1 and weight about 60kg. I am currently looking into the YES hel yes 146 or 149, Arbor Swoon rocker 144 or 148 or camber 143 or 147. I am not sure which length or board would be best suited for me. I like the Capita, but i do find I can’t always get the perfect carves in the trees that I desire.
I’m interested to see what you would recommend! And if there’s another board you believe that would be better suited.
Nate says
Hi Kimberly
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, size-wise, I think you could come down in size from your current Birds of a Feather. I think something 143-145 would be a better range for you to look at. But if you could also let me know your boot size, I could get more accurate with sizing. If you’re riding something that’s a little wide for your boots, then that’s certainly going to affect response and make it require more effort to go from edge to edge. So either finding something narrower or sizing down a little more again (going shorter can make up for loss of maneuverability from riding something too wide) could be necessary, if the board’s we’re looking at are wider than ideal.
For the Hel Yes (which I think would suit what you’re describing), the smallest size is 146, which I think you would be fine on, given that you’re used to 148. I wouldn’t go longer than that though. And again, I think it also depends on boot size.
For the Swoon. It’s a touch call between the rocker and camber options. The rocker will feel quicker edge to edge through the trees and give you more float in powder. But won’t be as good for carving the groomers and will lack a little for stability at speed and for pop. I think from what you’re describing the Rocker is probably your best bet, but it’s a tough call. Size-wise I would probably be looking at 144/143 – but again might depend on boot size. The camber would be aggressive and give you more pop and spring, but would be a good step down in powder.
I think the Twin Sister would work too, and the size most likely the 143 – but the 146 would be a possibility too.
Hope this helps and if you can let me know your boot size, I can confirm my opinion re sizing.
Kimberly Trinh says
Thanks for all of that information Nate!
My boot size is a women’s 7.5US. Hopefully you can have a better grasp on giving a more firm answer!
Nate says
Hi Kimberley
Thanks for the extra info. I would say you should be fine on all those options, with your boot size. With the Arbor Swoon perhaps actually being on the getting too narrow side. So, I would say a good bet would be 143 or 146 Twin Sister or 146 Hel Yes.
The debate between 143 and 146 for the Twin Sister is a tough one. The Twin Sister has less effective edge compared to overall length vs the Hel Yes (and vs the Birds of a Feather), which points me towards the 146. But the Twin Sister is a little wider – and it’s the kind of board that’s quite wide at the inserts compared to the waist width (so where your bindings will actually be, it’s wider than it looks), which makes me lean towards the 143. Overall, from what you’re describing, and if you go for a different setup when you start looking at backcountry, then I would just be leaning towards 143.
Hope this helps
Ashley says
Hi Nate!
I have been snowboarding for a few seasons, and my first board was a 149 salomon surface. I would say I am intermediate now (probably on the lower end) and am looking to get a new board.
I would like to start playing around with tricks but at the same time I also want a certain amount of speed and control while going downhill as I find that my current board doesn’t seem to be very fast and my turns are not very agile. The conditions I snowboard in are quite varied sometimes it’s really icy and sometimes I do get powder. I am 165 cm and 50kg so I was thinking of the 142 or 145 Never Summer proto type two. My footsize is 235cm (US Women 6.5) and my current bindings are Burtons Citizen Re:Flex for women.
Your input would be much appreciated!
Nate says
Hi Ashley
Thanks for your message.
I agree that sizing down is a good idea for you. IMO 149 is quite a bit too long – and likely one of the major reasons you’re not finding your turns very agile. Given how you’re describing how you want to ride, something around 142 would be a good length for you, IMO. The 142 PT2 would be a good width for your boots too, IMO.
The Proto Type Two, in the 142, would be a great choice for everything you’re describing, with the one down-side being powder. If you’re not in powder that much – or if you find that you’re never really in deep powder – like only ever a couple of inches, then it’ll be fine. But if you get into deeper powder, then you’re probably better off going with something off this list, to get a bit more powder performance. But if you’re not really seeing deep powder, then the PT2 142, or anything from the following, in a similar size, would work well, IMO.
>>My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboards
Hope this helps with your decision
Ashley says
Thanks for your reply Nate! If I was looking at deeper powder, would a 142 Jones dream catcher be too short for me?
Nate says
Hi Ashley
If you were wanting to use the Dream Catcher as your do-it-all board, and want to also be learning tricks on it, then I think the 142 is a good size – and will still be good in deeper powder than something like the PT2 142 – just because it’s designed to be better in powder. Length and width are factors for float for sure – but there are other things too – and the Dream Catcher is quite good in powder for those other factors regardless of size. So I think the 142 would be a good option for that board for a bit of everything.
But If you’re looking at it as a second board and want to maximize powder, stability at speed, then the 145 – or even the 148, if part of a quiver, would be a better option.
Kimberly A Rivera says
Hey Nate,
I’m an intermediate boarder from the northeast coast (riding mostly in NY/PA/Vermont) and have been riding an old used board for the past 4 seasons. I’ve been in desperate need for an update and after some research decided to go for the Arbor swoon rocker 148cm (it was also on an awesome promo). I loved the look and reviews of the board but after reading some of your comments here, I am wondering if I should have went for the chamber rather then the rocker. I’m mostly riding on groomed trails but am hoping to expand into the woods and looking to get on more powdery trails. That being said, as I advance, I’ve been wanting to go faster, but I’m definitely not the person to be gunning it straight down the mountain. Do you think the swoon will limit my speed and will be less stable for carving than the chamber? I’m not much of a park-goer, just some baby jumps here and there.
Any insight would be amazing! I’m also 125lb and 5’4. I chose the 148cm based off some reviews and size charts I read. I’m also looking for new bindings for this board, something simple and on the less expensive size.
Kim
Nate says
Hi Kimberly
Thanks for your message.
You would certainly get a bit more in terms of speed and carving out of the camber version and a bit more pop. But riding the Coda Rocker (men’s equivalent of the Swoon), the rocker version is better for carving than what I would usually expect from an all rocker board, and in terms of speed. But not to the level of the Camber version. But you do get an easier ride and something better in powder – and in uneven terrain, IMO. A little more effortless changing edges (which is of course nice to have in the woods). If you were really bombing and riding quite aggressively and getting into deeper carves, then I might say camber, rather than rocker. But I think you’ll be fine with the rocker, from what you’re describing and get just a bit more versatility out of it.
Size-wise, I would have recommended the 144, taking everything into account. But the 148 isn’t way off – and it will give more in terms of float in powder and stability at speed. Just not as nimble, not as good in the woods and not as good for more freestyle stuff. So 148 isn’t super long for you, IMO, but ideally I would have gone 144 for you.
In terms of bindings, it’s a good idea to get something with the right flex to match your board, ability level and your riding style. So, something with around a 5/10 or 6/10 flex would work well for you, IMO. A lot of cheaper bindings tend to be softer flexing, so just so you don’t go out and just buy the cheapest, as you want something suitable too. But there are also some well priced bindings in that flex range too. I would say a good balance of price and quality and being suitable for your needs, the following would be great choices.
-Union Trilogy
-Burton Scribe
-Salomon Mirage
And if you can find something past season, then that should save you a good bit too. If you want to go for something even less in terms of cost, then the Union Juliet is worth checking out – still reasonably quality and a good flex match, but a little less in terms of price.
Hope this helps
Kimberly A Rivera says
Thanks Nate, this was really helpful! I had trouble finding a 144 board, but there are still 140’s available, is this too small? If I can still find 144 boards, I’d rather swap then spend the money for a board that’s not exactly what I need.
If I ended up switching to a chamber, would 147 still be too large? It’s been tricky finding the smaller sizes for last years boards. Ug!
Also thanks again!!!
Nate says
Hi Kimberly
Yeah 140 too probably too small for you, IMO, unfortunately. And 147 in the camber version probably not going to feel any shorter than the 148 Rocker version. Even though it has a little less length and a little less in terms of effective edge – being camber it’s likely to feel a little longer, length for length, vs the rocker version. I know it can be frustrating when you can’t find the right size! But I would either stick with what you have or hold out for a 144, if you can find it. I wouldn’t go down to 140 – and I would only change to the Camber 147, if you think you prefer the sound of the camber model – but not because of the size.
Hope this helps
Timothée says
Hello,
I am thinking to buy the Arbor Swoon for my wife.
She is an advanced rider, who likes snowboarding smooth in resort and powder.
She is approximatly 55 kg and 163 cm.
I am hesitating between the rocker version and the camber version.
Can you help me ?
Thank you !
Timothée
Nate says
Hi Timothée
Thanks for your message.
I can see your hesitation. I think, being an advanced rider, that your wife would appreciate the camber in the Swoon Camber on groomed runs – to give that extra bit for speed, carving and spring out of turns (and pop if she likes jumps/ollies etc). But on the other hand if she also likes to ride powder the Swoon Rocker is the better bet for that.
Some more that might help:
Riding the Coda Rocker (men’s equivalent of swoon rocker): I found that it carved better than I was expecting, and was better at speed than I was expecting given the rocker profile. Still certainly not the same carver, or bomber that the camber version is – but not as loose and washy as I was expecting either. Not as poppy as the camber version either but still some pop there. You can check out more on what I thought of the Coda Rocker at the link below:
>>Arbor Coda Rocker Review
All except for in powder, I would say Coda Camber is her best option, but the biggest downside is that it won’t be as good in powder. Will be more effort trying to keep that nose afloat.
Size-wise, I would say probably 144 for the Swoon Rocker and 143 for the Swoon Camber for her specs, but she could potentially get on the 148 Swoon Rocker or 147 Swoon Camber if she prefers something bigger (and depending on what she’s used to riding too). Going a little bigger is better for float in powder & stability at speed – but won’t be as nimble at slower speeds, not as good for trees, and not as good for freestyle stuff.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Timothée says
Hy Nate, thank you i finally bought the camber version in 147 size.
In a perfect world, i would have bought the two versions 🙂 …
Even if she likes a lot riding in powder, such days with this snow are not so frequent. We ride more often in groomed snow… That’s why i have followed your advice.
I hope she will still enjoy the powder with this version. Not as good than with the rocker certainly, but …!
Also, for information, i have completed the pack with the Union trilogy bindings, green color.
Thanks
Timotyée
Nate says
Hi Timothée
Thanks for the update. I think she’ll still enjoy the powder on it – it’s powder after all! And overall it’s probably the better choice, if she doesn’t get in powder that often. Trilogy a good match binding-wise, IMO.
Maegan says
Hello there Nate!
I currently am ~120lbs, 5’5″, with a size 8.5 USA women’s boot. I have Burton Lexa bindings and ride mostly in the PNW (OR/WA) area. I do a lot of full days and full season riding. I currently have a 2018 Capita Birds of a Feather 148cm board for all mountain playing around and I would really like a board that performs better on groomed steeps, trees, and off-piste. Mostly, in trees. More aggressive than my Capita Board, but still a little playful. I am thinking Jones Twin or Flagship, NS Aura, or Yes Hel Yes. Maybe 150cm? Any thoughts?
Maegan says
I meant a common between groomed runs and steep. For clarification, I love my Capita board for laid back and playful riding.
Nate says
Hi Maegan
Thanks for your message.
Firstly, size-wise, I would usually say around 145cm for you, but since you’re used to a 148, you could go a little longer. Going longer helps with powder – and stability at speed for bombing groomers, and stability on steeps but for trees, going shorter helps with maneuverability. So given that you’re looking for something mostly for trees, I wouldn’t go any longer than what you’re already riding personally – and for the likes of powder and steeps, going with a more directional ride like the boards you’ve mentioned, is going to help anyway, without going longer.
Of the boards you’ve mentioned, the Flagship and Aura are the most freeride oriented and the most different to your current board (and more aggressive than the Hel YES and Twin Sister), but the Hel Yes and Twin Sister are quite different too. Size-wise for each, I would be thinking:
Jones Flagship 148
Never Summer Aura 146
YES Hel YES 146
Jones Twin Sister 149
The Aura and Hel Yes have longer effective edge per overall length than the Jones options, which is why I would go a little shorter on those options. With your specs, you could definitely ride the 144 Flagship and 146 Twin Sister – and usually those are the sizes that I would actually recommend if you weren’t already used to the 148 Birds of a Feather.
Hope this helps with your decision
Jenn says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for writing such a thorough review! I’m a petite woman, 5 feet, 100 lbs, size 6.5 boot. I’ve been riding on a Sims Odyssey 120 boys board, with women’s flow bindings for the last 5 years. I started out on a 138cm board but couldn’t link my turns, so I swapped to the 120. I consider myself an intermediate rider; I can comfortably carve on any blue, and I can do most blacks but have to do more turns. I’ve outgrown my board, and actually have a 2 in crack on the back tail so I’m looking into a new board.
I’m afraid of transitioning back to a 135-140 after being on a 120 for so long. But it’s been difficult to find quality boards in the 130 range. Do you have suggestions on sizing or maybe some recommendations for youth boards?
Thanks so much!
Jenn says
I forgot to add that I generally ride the groomed trails. Occasionally venture into the park for small jumps, and sometimes have powder. It’s mostly groomed trails though
Nate says
Hi Jenn
Thanks for your message.
Length-wise, I would say that something around 138cm, for an all-mountain board, if you were at an advanced level. Certainly as a beginner though, I would have recommended something more like 133-135 for your specs. And even now, given that you are used to a 120 – and at an intermediate level, I would say 138 is a bit too long. Usually I would say something 135, 136 for your specs/level. However, since you’re used to a 120 – and I’m guessing you got on well with it, since you rode it for 5 years? Then something a little shorter might suit you better – it seems you prefer shorter.
Unfortunately women’s boards only really go down to 136 – and only some models go down to that size. I think you would handle a 136 a lot better than when you first got on a 138, for sure, given that you’ve advanced since then. Also, I’m not sure what 138 you were on, but it’s also possible that it was too wide for your boots. Off hand the best women’s for you, IMO, size-wise, would be the GNU Gloss 136 (226mm waist width). It would be a good length and width for you. It’s what I would call an all-mountain-freestyle board, but I think that would suit your style relatively well. If you were happy to go up to a 136, with a nice narrow width, then I think that would be a good option – good for intermediate level too, IMO.
But if you wanted to go shorter you’d have to look into kids boards. It’s not an area that I have a lot of knowledge in, but if you’re looking for something all-mountain, then something like the following could work:
– Jones Discovery 132
– Jones Prodigy 130
– K2 Kandi 129 or 134
Most kids boards are centered true twins, with the above being a little more directional.
Either way, I think sizing up from what you have now is a good call. It’s just whether you want to go as much as 16cm longer, with something like a 136. Or go for a kids board that’s a little shorter.
Hope this helps with your decision
Jenn says
Thanks so much for your reply and your suggestions! I’ll definitely look into those boards you suggested 🙂
Nate says
You’re very welcome Jenn. Happy riding!
Konka says
Hi Nate, I found this thread really helpful and also want to ask your opinion on snowboard choices. I have a similar situation as Jenn’s. I am 5’2”, 158 cm and 105 – 108 lbs. My boot size is 6.
But I am a beginner in snowboard. I did my first time snowboarding this weekend but I think I picked it fairly quickly I can go down the green runs. For the blue run, it takes me more time. I want to get better at turns and definitely want to learn carving!
I was using the ski resort rental snowboard which is 138 cm. I don’t know the model but it feels really stiff. So did the snowboard boots.
I am looking at Capita Space Metal Fantasy Snowboard 141 cm (231 waist width). I think it will be nice for me to grow into?
And gun gloss c2e 140 cm (233 waist width).
Should I go down even shorter in these 2 models and which brand do you recommend more? I kinda worry the gun gloss c2e’s Magne-Traction edges will be hard to do carving. And the Camber/Rocker/Camber profile, I saw from YouTuber said it took some time to feel the edges and know that they are there.
Konka says
Also what kind of binding and boots would you recommend? I still had some heel lift with the ski resort boots despite tightening.
Would you recommend a more medium flex binding and a soft to medium flex boots? I heard that boots will become more flexible over time so its best to have some medium flex boots?
Nate says
Hi Konka
Thanks for your messages.
In terms of sizing, I would go smaller than the 151 Space Metal Fantasy (SMF) and Gloss 140. I would put you roughly at around a 140cm size as a more advanced rider. As a beginner going shorter makes sense and with your boot size, it makes even more sense. Even the 140 and Gloss and 141 SMF are on the wider side for your boot size. So I would be looking at the 136 Gloss. I think that would be a great size for you. And for the SMF, I would look at the 139.
Even as an advanced rider, I wouldn’t go longer than that, given your boot size. For most boards you’ll want to size down the length a little bit to make up for the board being a little wide.
The Gloss isn’t going to be a hard carver, but most boards that are suitable for learning on won’t be – and the SMF is no exception. But you can still certainly learn to carve on them. But they’re not going to be boards that will be exceptional for big high speed carves on or anything. The SMF is a little more stable feeling than the Gloss, but only by a bit. I’ve never experienced Magnetraction making carving difficult. In fact, in hard/icy conditions, it helps.
Because I think the size is the best, I’d be leaning Gloss, but both boards would be suitable. But I would size to the 136/139.
In terms of boots and bindings, I would try to match the board. So something around 4/10 flex for both would be a good bet.
Boots do tend to break in and become softer over time. But in the case of something medium-soft, it doesn’t make a big difference in flex – at least not for a while. Also as a beginner it’s best not to go too stiff. But if you were going to go stiffer with anything in the setup, it would be the boots, so if you really wanted to go Medium, it’s doable, but I’d go with something 4/10 flex.
For some good options in those flex ranges, check out:
>>Top Women’s Beginner Bindings
>>Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
Boots
>>My Top Women’s Beginner Boots
>>My Top Women’s Freestyle Snowboard Boots
Note that the freestyle lists, you don’t have to be riding freestyle in them. They’re all good for casual/beginner all-mountain riding too.
For boots, fit is really important:
>>How to Size Snowboard Boots
This might also be helpful:
Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands
Hope this helps
Elena says
Hi Nate,
I’m so happy I followed your advice and bought a shorter board last year! I don’t know if you remember, I’m the not-so-young Italian woman (now 62) who had a 149 Feelgood, wanted to buy a Salomon Wonder but couldn’t decide between the 139 and the 143. You told me that the 139 was the proper size for me, but it would take some getting used to.
Actually, at first I felt like I was riding a soap bar, but after ten minutes things started to improve, and at the end of the first day I felt stable and balanced again. From then on, things have gone better and better, I have found it easier to go switch, to perform some easy tricks, but the big difference I have noticed is in crud and slushy snow. I used to tire myself to death with the old board, now I seem to dance on snow in comparison, and I go faster than many skiers in bad snow conditions.
Unfortunately I haven’t had the chance to try out the new board in powder snow, because this season has been very dry in Northern Italy and France, where I usually go riding. Let’s hope it will snow more next season!
Thanks again!
Elena
Nate says
Hi Elena
Thanks for the update. Awesome that you’re getting on so well with your new board. Always love to hear it! Hoping for more snow for you next season for sure!
Jeanette says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for a great review site and your replies to people’s questions are very helpful. I currently ride a Rossi Frenemy 147 which has been a fantastic board for my progression and the icy east coast conditions. I am keeping it for the icy days and my very infrequent park visits, but looking for a new board that works well in powder without being a specific powder board. I am a strong intermediate, moving towards advanced and starting getting into a bit more side-country, don’t ride switch. I am considering the Jones Dream Catcher (151 or 149?) and possibly GNU Klassy. What would you recommend as the better complement to my Frenemy? I’m open to other suggestions, not looking for a super aggressive board. I’m 5’4″, around 135lb with a US 7.5 boot
Nate says
Hi Jeanette
Thanks for your message.
I think you’re on the right track with the 2 boards you’ve listed. Both good for powder but certainly not powder specialist. And neither overly aggressive.
Both would be a good compliment to the Frenemy, IMO. But I know that doesn’t help!
The Klassy is probably slightly more different to the Frenemy vs the Dream Catcher – just because it has a hybrid rocker profile (rocker between the feet, then camber towards tip and tail), and because it’s a tapered directional shape. The Dream Catcher is also a little more directional than the Frenemy, but not tapered (has the same width nose and tail vs the Klassy which has a narrower tail vs nose – though it’s quite a subtle taper). And finally because it has a much bigger setback (1.5″ vs the 0.4″ on the Frenemy and similar on the Dream Catcher).
For the Klassy I would say go 148.
For the Dream Catcher, it’s something you can ride a little longer, so the 151 comes into play. The effective edge on the 151 Dream Catcher is 112.5cm which is pretty close to the 148 Klassy (113cm) and a bit up from the 147 Frenemy (111cm). The 148 Dream Catcher (109.9cm) would be dropping effective edge vs the 147 Frenemy. That’s not to say that it’s off the table, but I think you could ride the 151, because of that.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Jeanette says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the information. I went with the Dream Catcher, picked one up in end of season sale so will have to admire it for some months before I get a chance to try it out!
cheers,
Jeanette
Nate says
Hi Jeanette
You’re very welcome – and awesome that you have a new board! If you happen to think of it at the time let me know how you get on the Dream Catcher once you’ve had a chance to ride it.
Dorothy Joy says
Hi Nate! I am an intermediate rider. I mostly ride groomers, icy conditions. I am 5’1 and 118 lbs. My boot size is 6.5 (US). I am torn between Jones Dream Catcher and Jones Twin Sisters. Help!
Nate says
Hi Dorothy
Thanks for your message.
Both would certainly work for what you’re describing. For your specs, I would be looking at 140 for the Twin Sister and 142 for the Dream Catcher. In those sizes, I think you can’t go wrong with either. But here are some things that might help you decide:
The Dream Catcher is a little better riding fast. Also a little better in powder, but if you’re not really going off groomer, then that’s not going to be a big factor. But if you do see yourself going off-groomer and into powder in the future, that’s something to think about.
The Twin Sister better for jumps, ollies, spins etc and better for riding switch.
Both on par for the likes of uneven terrain and carving/turning.
Hope this helps
Jeff says
Hi Ed,
First off, I’m a skier so my board knowledge is just about zero. I’m here for my wife. She currently rides an Arbor 154 Stance limted edition with the sinister looking little elves holding poppy plants. She grew up in Tahoe racing (on this board) and spending summers training at Hood. She is not a park rider at all. We used to live in Alta and she rode snowbird all the time. That was 10 years ago and three kids later she’s wondering what she should be looking at. Currently we’re riding Big Bear and Mammoth, but moving back to SLC sometime in the near future. (Sorry for the history lesson)
The last few people we’ve talked with pretty much talked us out of buying something new. They love the old construction as said if she’s able to rip around on that board she could buy almost anything and be happy.
She wants something that will have some float and be able to rip a gs turn (she despises sliding around). What’s new these days that might fit that bill? Thanks!
Jeff
Nate says
Hi Jeff
Thanks for your message.
Snowboard tech has come a long way in the last few years, so I’m not sure why anyone would like the old construction, but each to their own.
Since the board is that old, it’s likely all camber (as most boards were back then) – so I think going with something predominantly camber is a good idea for a couple of reasons. Firstly, because she’s used to that feel and secondly because a good amount of camber helps to carve and be more aggressive, gives good spring out of a turn etc. Which it sounds like she’ll definitely appreciate. But all camber boards don’t typically float that well, so some rocker in there for better powder float is a good idea.
Since she doesn’t do any park – and I’m guessing not riding a lot of switch? Then a directional shape would be a good way to go – and probably directional camber too – this would give her a mostly camber feel (camber back to the tail) but with a little bit of rocker in the nose to help with float.
So, I would be looking at a freeride board. The following has some good options:
>>My Top 5 Women’s Freeride Snowboards
But specifically, for directional camber, the:
– Burton Family Tree Story Board
– Jones Women’s Flagship (there’s a little rocker in the tail, but not as much as in the nose – it’s pretty subtle in the tail)
Also not on that list:
– Ride Hellcat
– Capita Jess Kimura Pro (a little softer flexing than the Story Board and Flagship, but still that directional camber – and still a medium flex – but probably the most “easy going” vs the other 3 above)
Size-wise, if she’s happy with what she’s on, then she could look to go for a similar size. Typically boards are ridden a little shorter these days, but not necessarily. Happy to give a sizing opinion, would just need her height, weight and boot size. But if she’s confident with her own size choice, all good.
Hope this helps and gives you some options
Ed says
Hi Nate,
Looking for a new board for the missus and wondering what you’d recommend. She’s 5’7, 140-145lbs abs size 8 or 8.5 boot (US size). She’s a pretty advanced, agressive rider often clocking up speeds over 90km/hr. These days usually only a week or 2 a year around kids holidays (Easter and/or New Year) so something that handles slush and ice well. Mainly piste riding unless lucky with the snow and then some powder. Used to spend a lot of time in the park but only the odd run through these days and she only really does straight jumps (fairly big) or small 180s and the odd boxes and rails. She currently has a 152 feelgood (circa 2004 – the limited edition ostrich skin one) so could do with an upgrade. The Hel Yes seems to fit the bill in terms or riding style and give her extra hold on ice (she was losing an edge a few times in very icy conditions this new year). Would you recommend this and if so what size? Any others I should consider?
Thanks
Ed
Ed says
Forgot to add, also needs to be able to go slow when messing around with the kids after ski school, so slower posted and kids park stuff.
Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Ed
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, I think the Hel Yes would be a great option and fit everything you’ve described well. Aggressive enough, but something you can slow down and play around on sometimes and good edge hold for hard/icy conditions.
Size-wise, I think the 152 would be the best bet for her style, ability and for this board. And it’s what she’s used to, so that’s another plus too.
Hope this helps with your decision
Jennifer Phelps says
Reposting because I think I accidentally replied to someone else’s post
Hi Nate, I am 5’8” and 140lbs and I have been riding for about 18 years. I mainly ride in Lake Tahoe about 10-15 times per season. I no longer use the park. I am very comfortable snowboarding and like to ride black diamonds and powder, but I have definitely gotten more cautious over the years. My current board I just realized is very old, 2008-2009 forum spinster I believe size 150. I need to get a new board but I do not know where to start. I think I am looking for an all mountain board, but I am open to suggestions.
Nate says
Hi Jennifer
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing either an all-mountain or freeride board would be a good bet. Since you’re more cautious now and I’m guessing ride less aggressively than you did, then I would be leaning towards either all-mountain or a slightly softer flexing freeride board (a lot of them are quite stiff but not all). If you want to check out some freeride options, check out:
>>My Top 5 Women’s Freeride Snowboards
For more mid-flexing freeride options also add to that the:
– GNU Klassy
– GNU Hyper Kyarve
– Capita Jess Kimura Pro
Size-wise, I would say something 150-152 would be a good range to look at.
Hope this helps with your decision
Emmie says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the great articles and responses to comments. Really helpful!
I’m hoping to get your advice on my next board. I started learning snowboarding 5 years ago in Tahoe/California. Since I wasn’t sure if snowboard would be my thing especially when I was already in my 30’s, I decided to make do with the cheapest I could get at the time. I am 5’6, 115lb and boot size 8-8.5, and have been riding on a Burton Genie 140.
Fast forward 5 years, I mostly ride on blue to single black groomed tracks. While I can smoothly do my turns and really enjoy the rides, I am still working on my speed (and fear of speed) as I often feel unstable on the board. I am at the stage of considering my next board and willing to invest in a good one that will stay with my progression.
Would you recommend a few options? Really appreciate your advice.
Thanks a lot!
Emmie
Nate says
Hi Emmie
Thanks for your message.
Burton Genie a great board to start out on, and I think the 140 was a good size to start out on too. So, a good choice there, IMO, regardless of the price. But certainly not surprised you don’t find it stable at speed!
Now that you’re more advanced, getting something with more performance, and sizing up a little is a good idea. Assuming you would class yourself roughly as an intermediate rider (but correct me if that’s off the mark), then I think something from this list, in something around a 143, give or take, would be a good bet. If you don’t tend to leave the groomers/don’t find yourself in deep powder very often, then the following is also worth looking at:
>>My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboards
I would probably stay away from anything that’s full camber – probably going to feel too aggressive/catchy for intermediate level and being used to something like the Genie. But some camber in there is great for stability at speed and to get a bit more spring out of your turns (and pop if you’re doing any jumps or ollies or anything like that).
Width-wise, assuming 8.5s, try to go at least 235mm at the waist (a little narrower if you ride with angles like +15-15) and no more than 245mm at the waist.
Taking all that into account, the boards (with what I would consider appropriate sizes for you would be):
– Jones Twin Sister: 143 (240mm waist width)
– Rossignol Frenemy: 144 (239mm WW)
– Salomon Rumble Fish: 144 (239mm WW)
– Roxy Torah Bright: 143 (237mm WW)
Those aren’t the only options, but I think the best options, if you can find them in those sizes.
Hope this helps with your decision
Emmie says
Super helpful! Thanks for your advice and speedy reply. I am going to look these up and hopefully one of them will be available 🙂
Thanks again,
Emmie
Nate says
You’re very welcome Emmie. Happy riding! (and shopping)
Emily says
Hi Nate,
Thank you for the starting point with your reviews! I’m hoping for a little more specified advice. I am just getting back into snowboarding (last season) after taking a several years off having babies and what not. I am a strong intermediate boarder, mostly in southern California, and (when not having a season like the current one) usually icy, man made conditions. My current board is probably close to 20 years old (Apex Limited, ever even heard of it?). I am more than ready to get new board and bindings. I am 5’7″, 160ish lbs., 8.5 boot. Mostly groomed runs. Looking for something that wont catch edges like my current board. I’ve always loved the look of the Arbor boards but I’m not sure if it is the right one for me.
Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Emily
Thanks for your message.
I think you’ve earned a new board after 20 years!
I think the Arbor Swoon Rocker could work for you, if you’re liking the look of that. Certainly not catchy at all, and certainly not as catchy as a 20 year old board. Everything back then was full camber. So anything not full camber is going to work for you, IMO. Given what you’re describing, I think something around a medium flex would work well too. So, most of this list would be an option given those things and for a solid intermediate rider.
If you don’t see yourself going off-groomer into any kind of deeper powder, then you could also look at the following:
>>My Top All-Mountain-Freestyle Snowboards
In terms of boards good for hard/icy conditions, I would say the following, rated out of 5, for what I would consider the best options, from these 2 lists:
– Arbor Swoon Rocker (4/5)
– Rossignol Frenemy (5/5)
– Jones Twin Sister (4/5)
– YES Hel Yes (5/5)
– Salomon Rumble Fish (4/5)
– Roxy Torah Bright (5/5)
– Never Summer Proto Type 2 (4/5)
I’ve only mentioned the ones I consider 4/5 or up for icy conditions, as anything 4/5 and up should be fine, IMO.
Size-wise, something between 151 and 154 would be a good length range to look at. But if you can also let me know the size of your Apex Limited, as I also like to take into account what you’re used to for sizing.
Width-wise, with 8.5s, anything in that length range should be wide enough. Probably go no wider than around 247mm (waist width).
If you narrow it down to a couple of boards, I would be happy to give a specific sizing opinion for those boards.
Hope this helps with your decision
Emily says
Thank you! My current board is 154. This really helps narrow down my research. Hopefully, I will get a chance to demo some of these before the end of the season.
Nate says
You’re very welcome Emily.
Yeah something around 152 to 155, then I think would be a good range for you to look at.
Annie says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the great reviews!
I wanted to get your thoughts on picking a board to progress from a high intermediate skill level. I currently ride a 145cm NS infinity (2011 if that makes a difference) which I really enjoy but I’m finding it a bit too soft when I try to carve on steeps, I’m looking for a board that would help me get more comfortable there. Otherwise, I like spending some time in the park and playing with small features on the side of trails as well as trees. I’m also on the east coast so a lot of hard pack and ice.
From your reviews I’m looking at the GNU B pro, NS proto two, Jones twin sister and yes hel yes. I’m 5’2″, 120lbs US size7 boots, so I was originally planning to size down slightly for my next snowboard. Would you recommend getting a board to replace my old infinity or complement it? Also, which bindings would pair well with these?
Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Annie
Thanks for your message.
The boards you mention are all good options, IMO and should be a good stepup from the Infinity in terms of carving and speed.
If you don’t really ride much powder or you’re willing to work a little harder in powder, then the B Pro and PT2 would both be really good options, IMO. But if you do see a little bit of powder, and want to be able to enjoy without having to put in too much effort, then the Mountain Twin and Hel Yes are the better options, IMO. Also being a little more directional and a little setback is something that some people prefer when carving on steeps. The first two slightly better when it comes to freestyle stuff.
The other option, if you were wanting to compliment the Infinity and potentially use the Infinity for your more playful, playing around board, then you could look at a more freeride oriented board like one of the following:
>>My Top 5 Women’s Freeride Snowboards
Not typically as good for slowing down and playing around on but more specialized towards carving, speed and powder.
The other thing, is that if you were to go with something like the PT2 or B Pro, that you could use the Infinity for powder days, if you’re looking for a more surfy ride in powder. The Infinity isn’t a powder specialist by any means but a little better than the likes of the PT2 and B Pro.
I think something around 143 would be a good size, give or take depending on the board. If you narrow it down to the board you want or if you’re between a couple, I would be happy to give a board specific size recommendation. It would also depend on if you were planning on complimenting or replacing the Infinity.
For bindings, for something like the B Pro, PT2, Twin Sister and Hel Yes, the following would be the best to look at, IMO:
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps with your decision
Rhonda in AK says
Excellent, thanks Nate – super helpful!
IYO, am I overlooking any other board options that I didn’t mention above that might be better suited to my size/style?
(I just did a search and my Burton Air is from 2007 – yikes. I’ve been suffering for far too long!)
Looking forward to shopping at our local board shop! Hoping to keep using my bindings (Burtons, but not sure if they will be compatible – they are still in good shape and are a fairly recent purchase), and still love my boots (Solomon Ivy circa 2011 – I get some excess heel lift after the laces loosen, but now I know how to secure them better with the hockey lacing – thanks for that!) – so maybe all I need to get is a new board…
Nate says
Hi Rhonda
I think those 3 would be really good options for you. You could also check out something like the GNU Klassy (145), but you can’t go wrong with those 3, IMO. Between them, the Aura is the stiffest flexing (7/10) with the Hel Yes, Dream Catcher and Klassy all 6/10. So it depends if you want something a little stiffer, or more medium flex.
If your bindings are recent Burton bindings, and they are “Re:Flex” models, then they should be compatible with these boards. If you have “EST” models, then they will only work on Burton boards, unfortunately.
Hope this helps
Rhonda says
Thanks Nate!
Have my eyes on the Dream Catcher 145 ; alas, difficult to find the right size this time of year. Our local board shop is unable to get it from Jones – sold out. I think the Aura is stiffer than I want – still trying to decide about that; but if I can’t get the DC, next on the list are the YHY and the GNU Klassy…which seem to be more readily available in the right size.
Not sure I understand the difference the rocker types: Klassy = camber rocker camber; DC and YHY = rocker camber rocker…should I care about this???
Nate says
Hi Rhonda
Thanks for your message.
I would say the main difference in terms of feel between camber-rocker-camber (hybrid rocker) and rocker-camber-rocker (hybrid camber) is that hybrid rocker tends to be a little looser feeling, having that rocker between the feet. How much looser feeling depends on how much rocker and camber there is. There are some hybrid rockers that are really camber dominant and just have really subtle rocker sections, which actually feel closer to full-camber boards, and others that have a lot of rocker and just subtle camber sections, which feel quite loose and more like full-rocker boards. On the other side there are hybrid cambers that can have predominantly camber, and just subtle rocker towards tip and tail and others that just have a very small amount of camber between the feet and lots of rocker. Typically hybrid cambers, even when there’s not that much camber, don’t feel as loose.
The Klassy has was GNU call a C2X, which is more camber than rocker. It’s one of their more camber dominant profile, but certainly the rocker is still noticeable. Their C3 profile is predominantly camber, with just subtle rocker. So, the Klassy is hybird rocker, but it’s the most stable feeling hybrid rocker (besides the C3, which feels more like camber than hybrid rocker). I would say it’s still just a touch looser feeling than the Hel Yes and Dream Catcher, but not as much as most other hybrid rocker profiles.
Hope this makes sense
Rhonda in AK says
Thanks again, Nate!
Found, purchased and just today I had my first day on a Jones Dream Catcher 145.
OMG OMG – so much freaking fun!!! Hooray – I can snowboard again! We just got 6″ of fresh, light powder and that Jones is a dream to ride. It turns on a dime in off piste powder, icy patches as well as groomers. So responsive and floats well in the amount of powder we have. I was a bit apprehensive about making the switch from a 153 to a 145 thinking I’d need time to adjust, but I had zero problems right out of the gate. So happy.
Thanks for this site, your reviews and your helpful feedback! I”ll be back next year when I search for boots and bindings!
Happy Winter 🙂
Nate says
Hi Rhonda
Thanks for the update. Awesome to hear you had a great time on your new Dream Catcher – and awesome that you were able to gel with it from day 1! Happy Riding!
Rhonda in AK says
Hi Nate – Oh my gosh, you are such a gem. Your reviews and IMOs are so helpful. Really, this is the best review site I have come across for women’s snowboards. I just love your Snowboarding Profiles website. Definitely my go-to for all things snowboard.
And now I’m seeking your advice…from what I can tell, it sounds like the board that I have been riding for the past few years (BurtonAir 153) is much too long for me. Maybe that’s why I hate it? I have never felt entirely stable on it, regardless if I’m riding icy groomers, or semi-deep powder. I always feel like it is going to wash out on me. Definitely a confidence crasher. I’ve been riding for ~25 years and would self-classify as an intermediate to advanced rider. I do not do any tricks, unless I inadvertanly jump over a rock and manage to stick the landing. I love powder (when I can get it), big carves, off-piste, trees, and fresh powder over groomers. I can do steeps (sometimes) if there is lots of powder. While I love to ride in these conditions, we don’t often get them here in Southeast Alaska. My typical ride is ski-cut powder, and hard pack groomers, usually icy. I”m 5’2″, 120 lbs. I’ve simply got to ditch that Burton Air – it’s a menace and it keeps me from riding well – in fact, I’ve gotten worse since I’ve had it – I know it.
So – thinking about my replacement. After reading your reviews, I’m considering the Never Summer Infinity, Aura, Jones Dram Catcher and the Yes Hel Yes. And it sounds like the size of board that would best suit my stature would be ~142-146, depending on the board.
Would love to know what you think about why the Burton Air sucks for me and your recommended replacement.
Thanks for all you do!
Rhonda
Nate says
Hi Rhonda
Thanks for your message.
I couldn’t find much information on the Burton Air, but from what I can tell it is likely that it was all camber, given that the last ones made were 2008. A traditional camber profile like this can feel catchy. Also traditional camber isn’t typically very good at floating in powder. But the main thing, I would say is size. IMO 153 is significantly too long for you. I would say more like 142,143 for your specs/ability/style of riding. Now, since you now have experience on a 153, you could go a little longer than 143, but I certainly wouldn’t go as long as 153 again.
From what you’re describing, I would say the Aura, Dream Catcher and Hel Yes would all be good options. The only reason I wouldn’t say Infinity is that it’s a little softer flexing and has more rocker than camber in the profile. I think coming from an all-camber board (even if you didn’t necessarily like it) and going to that profile would be a big adjustment. Also, since you describe that you like to do big carves, I think it’s probably a bit too casual of a board in terms of flex and camber profile. But the other 3 that you mentioned would all suit your style well, IMO, and all have pretty good edge-hold in hard/icy conditions – the Hel Yes being the best of the 3 in that sense, I would say.
Size-wise, I would go with the following for those boards:
~ Hel Yes: 146 (it’s the shortest this board goes and usually with your specs I would say go a little shorter but you will be dropping a lot of length compared to your current board, so I think this would work)
~ Aura: 146 (same as above for Hel Yes)
~ Dream Catcher: 145 (even though there is a 142 for this one, I would go 145. It’s the kind of board that can be ridden a little longer as there is less effective edge vs overall length. Effective edge on each of these boards are Hel Yes 146 (111cm), Aura 146 (112cm), Dream Catcher 145 (107cm). The Air, for reference is 118cm effective edge.
Hope this helps with your decision
Neda says
Hi Nate,
Thanks so much for the helpful reviews!
I’ve decided to get a Gnu Ladies Choice but am not sure about the size.
I’m 1.68m and 56kg (I think about 5’6” and 123lb).
Shoes are 41 (US w10). I used to ride a Gnu B-Pro 149 (2011), waist width 24.2. The LC 145.5 has a waist width of 24, which should still be fine regarding the size of my feet.
I’m mostly riding slopes and backcountry/powder, small jumps and sometimes switch.
What’s your opinion? Thanks for your help,
Neda
Nate says
Hi Neda
Thanks for your message.
I would be weighing up between the 145.5 and 148.5, but leaning towards 148.5.
Usually I would say for width that if you ride with binding angles like +15/-15, or similar, then 240mm waist would be fine for women’s 10s. But with a straighter back foot, it could be more problematic. But since you haven’t had any issues on the B Pro 149, then you would probably be OK on the width of the 145.5 Ladies Choice. Also, because the Ladies Choice is an asym board, it’s recommended to ride with a duck stance like +15/-15 anyway.
I would actually usually be leaning towards 145.5 for your specs for this board, but since you’re used to a 149 B Pro, I think going 148.5 makes more sense. Even the 148.5 is dropping effective edge compared to the 149 B Pro, so dropping to the 145.5 might feel like you’re loosing too much effective edge, compared to what you’re used to. Also, since you have backcountry/powder as one of the main things you do, the 148.5 is going to be better for that, IMO.
If you really want to size down to 145.5 though, it’s definitely a doable size for your specs. But weighing up all the factors, I would be leaning towards 148.5.
Hope this helps with your decision
Snow Mom says
This is a great site. Would very much appreciate your opinion of the Rossignol Justice for a young — but pretty aggressive — teen girl transitioning out of a junior board. Local mountain is often icy. Her parents are dorky skiers and don’t know anything about snowboards 🙂
Nate says
Hi Snow Mom
Thanks for your message.
As an aggressive rider the Justice might be OK for your daughter but it is a pretty stiff board, so would be a big adjustment coming from a junior board. The camber profile isn’t hugely aggressive though, so that tones it down a little bit.
Great for Icy conditions.
Assuming she is a relatively advanced and aggressive rider, it’s a board that could definitely be an option, if there is an appropriate size for her. I would be happy to give you my opinion on sizing, I would just need her height, weight and boot size.
Hope this helps
Laura Robson says
Hi Nate,
Please help! I bought a Burton Feelgood 156 (2007) whilst living in BC, Canada and had a fabulous season with it in the powder, through chutes, bowls and tree runs, and have used it in various resorts since. Move 10 years on and I am now living in Morzine, France and feel rusty getting back on the board….Im struggling to be honest and I can’t figure out why.
Here are my specs: Im 5”9 (and half) , fluctuate between 66-69kg female.
Im not sure if its my bindings set up as can’t remember what I used to ride or whether the board is too stiff for me and my deteriorated ability/different snow to Canada.
My bindings are set up slightly wider than shoulder width apart, mirrored duck in +15/-15 and I have played with a couple of degrees either side of this. Is it possible that I have lost my ability to be aggressive enough for this board?
Would you recommend another board, maybe smaller? More flex?
My goal is to get back to all mountain and ‘play’ with learning to ride switch/small tricks etc this year. Your advice would be very gratefully received!
Thanks in advance 🙂
Nate says
Hi Laura
Thanks for your message.
I imagine it could be a number of things (and mostly likely a combination of things).
Size-wise, I would put you more on a 152, 153, and I think 156 is a bit long. That said, you got on with it in the past, but it might be that it’s too long for you now. Back around 2007, it’s likely that you were advised to just pick a size between your nose and chin, but these days it’s more about weight – and really it’s a combination of weight, height, ability and your style of riding. For you, I’d say no longer than 153, but no shorter than 150.
Assuming you’re still at an intermediate level, or going to be there soon, then something that’s around that 5/10 or 6/10 flex range is a good idea, IMO, so the current Feelgood would be fine in terms of flex, but the 2007 Feelgood might have been stiffer (though in saying that, it would have softened up a little over time as well).
But based on everything, I would also recommend a hybrid profile (the Feelgood is all camber), which would helps to make a board more forgiving, better in powder to name a couple, compared to an all camber board.
In terms of stance width and binding angles, I would test against extremes and then work your way inwards. For example with binding angles, you’ve tried +15/-15. I would next try something completely different – like +18/+3 or something like that, then decide which you liked better. If you prefered the +18/+3, then you could try something like +18/-9, and then compare those 2. If you preferred the +15/-15, then you could try +18/-9 as well and compare. If that makes sense. It’s harder to tell the difference between subtle changes, so going more extreme and working your way in works better, IMO. Same with stance widths.
Assuming you still want to ride powder, then I think an all-mountain board is the way to go, so you’re in the right place.
If you experience some hard/icy conditions where you ride, then I would suggest:
~ Yes Hel Yes
~ Rossignol Frenemy
~ Jones Twin Sister
If you don’t really, then those 3 would still be good options but also add the Burton Feelgood Flying V to the mix. The Infinity is also an option if you want something softer and more playful.
Since you’re used to all camber, I wouldn’t go Swoon Rocker as it might feel strange, being all rocker. The Swoon Camber, maybe. It’s all camber, but it’s a more subtle camber than the Feelgood, though I think a hybrid profile would work best for you.
Hope this helps with your decision
Lindsay Bullock says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for this report and your great response & feedback to comments!
I figured I’d reach out too as I’m in the market for a new board. I’m 5’7, 134 lbs. I currently ride my first & only board, a 2007 Forum Aura 149. I love it, but it’s time to move on.. I ride all mountain, but mostly ride blues & single blacks. I sometimes like to hit park for simple stuff- smaller jumps and boxes, but most of my time is on trails. I live in the dc area & mostly ride this area/ East Coast conditions. I’m looking to replace my Aura With something good for my styke riding. What do you recommend?
Thanks so much again for this article,
Lindsay
Nate says
Hi Lindsay
Thanks for your message.
You’re in the right place for what you’re describing, IMO. And I think you’ll appreciate the step up from the Forum Aura – keeping in mind that there’ll always be some adjustment when you’ve ridden a certain board for a good while.
Since you have East Coast conditions, something with good edge-hold in icy conditions is a good way to go. So I think the Rossignol Frenemy and YES Hel Yes would be great options for you. The Twin Sister would also work well. Not quite as good in hard/icy but not far off.
You could also consider something from this list, assuming you don’t see a lot of powder, or don’t ride off-groomer.
>>My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboards
Size-wise, I think something around 147 to 149 would be a good range to look at. For the boards mentioned above, I would go with:
~ Frenemy: 147 (or 150 if you wanted to stay closer to your current length)
~ Hel Yes: 149
~ Twin Sister: 149
Hope this helps with your search
Sandrine says
Hi Nate,
Thank you for your articles, very useful!
I’m 36y, living in French Alps for 5 years and been riding for… 20 years now! Time flies… Anyway! I consider myself as an “advanced” rider, I love going fast on slopes and powder. I used to ride a Burton Blender 145 (2012) and I’m now looking for a stiffer board as I don’t feel confident anymore on this one (vibrations). I don’t jump a lot but I’ve always liked to try and play sometimes in the park and switch. I still hope to be able to jump well one day!
I would like to buy the Jones Twin Sister 149 (falling in love with this board by reading all reviews and descriptions). However I’ve seen on some websites that it’s been designed for “intermediate” so I’m afraid to be disappointed, or to get a board too similar to the Burton Blender (that I loved BTW, very playful, the only issue is when I’m riding fast). I think that 149 would be better than the 145 for stability and powder.
I’ve also seen the Jones Flagship but I’m afraid it will be too stiff and not playful enough. What do you think?
What about the Burton Feelgood compared to the Jones then?
Thanks a lot!
Sandrine
Nate says
Hi Sandrine
Thanks for your message.
As an advanced rider you could go with something like the Flagship or another freeride type board, but since you still like to get in the park and ride switch, then something more all-mountain would be a good idea.
The Blender looks like it was quite a soft board and all rocker. So, I wouldn’t be worried about the Twin Sister being the same. It will, IMO, certainly be better for speed and carving.
Burton Feelgood (camber) would be an option and match the Twin Sister for speed and be a slightly better carver – but you would be sacrificing some powder performance in comparison. Also, you would be going from an all-rocker to an all-camber profile which would probably take a while to get comfortable with, if you’re not used to camber.
Size-wise, it’s hard to say without knowing your specs, but certainly going longer helps with stability at speed, float in powder and IMO better for long wide carves. But not as good for tricks and not as good in trees (if you ride in trees too). Also going 145 Twin Sister will be very different to 145 Blender. But 149 might still be the best option. If you’re happy to make that judgement you can do that, but I’m happy to make a recommendation if you’d like one. I would just need your height, wight and boot size (i already have your ability and how you like to ride).
I wouldn’t say that the Twin Sister is strictly an “intermediate” board. I would say it’s good for those from “intermediate to advanced”.
Some other good options, IMO, based on what you’re describing would be the YES Hel Yes and the Never Summer Aura.
Hope this helps with your decision
Sandrine says
Hi Nate!
Thanks a lot for your reply 🙂
I measure 161cm for 62kg and boots 40.5 (Burton Emerald EU size).
I still hesitate between the Flagship and the Twin Sister… And indeed, the Yes Hel Yes seems another good option as well…
And why not the Arbor Swoon Camber from your POV?
I’m totally lost because I really love having the option of doing everything, even if most of the time, I’m carving or riding in the pow…
Thanks for your help!
Nate says
Hi Sandrine
The main reason I would say no to Swoon Camber, is that you’ll have to work harder to ride powder, and since it sounds like you like to ride powder, I think there are better options. And also, like with the Feelgood Camber, it would take quite a bit of getting used to going from all-rocker.
In my opinion, you are going to see significant improvements for carving in something like the Twin Sister and Hel Yes, compared to your current board. You’d see a bit more again in the Flagship, for sure, but you would be sacrificing that forgiveness and less suitable for doing other things, like you say.
Size-wise, I think something around 147 would be a good length for you, give or take. That’s assuming an advanced level, as it sounds like you are.
So, for the boards we are discussing, the following would be good sizes, IMO:
~ Twin Sister – 146 or 149. The 146 would still be a step up even though not much longer than your current board, but if you really wanted to enhance it for powder, stability at speed and camber, then the 149 is certainly an option. Also, the 149 has an effective edge of 111cm, which is the same as the effective edge on the two sizes that I would recommend for the others below. For reference the effective edge on the Blender 145, is 108cm
~ Flagship – 148 (effective edge 111cm).
~ Hel Yes – 146 (effective edge 111cm).
The width on all of those options would be appropriate for your boot size, too, IMO.
Hope this gives you more to go off
Sandrine says
Hi Nate and happy new year!
Thanks for your advices, very helpful 🙂
Nate says
You’re very welcome Sandrine. Happy new year and I hope you have a great season!
Joop says
Hi! Thanks for the awesome post!
I was hoping to seek your advice on a new board.
I was using burton clash 2018 (hybrid all mountain) and loved how easy and stable it is for a beginner.
I have now progressed into intermediate learning to do more carving, jibs,powder and occasional park (prefer runs on piste and powder). Since I mostly ride in Japan, powder runs are unavoidable..but I personally prefer carving and being playful on the tracks. I really enjoy hybrid board (rocker, camber, rocker) , all rounder, stable at speed (clash burton doesn’t catch edge easily but isn’t so stable at high speed)
I was looking @ Yes Hel Yes!, birds of a feather, twin sister. And was hoping if you could recommend which board may be suited for my style. I’m 168cm tall and weigh about 57kg, Asian build.
Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Joop
Thanks for your message.
I think the Hel Yes and Twin Sister would be great options for what you’re describing. The Birds of a Feather isn’t as good in powder, IMO.
Size-wise, for you I would go for:
>>Hel Yes – 146
>>Twin Sister – 146 as well – you could go 143 if you wanted something shorter, but I would be leaning towards 146.
Hope this helps with your decision
Caitlin says
Hi, Nate!
Thanks for how thorough you are in your responses, its super helpful for us readers! I’m an intermediate rider going into my 6th season, looking to progress in my carving confidence and speed, as well as in the park. I love cruising corduroy and working on my jumps, definitely an all-mountain dabbler! Currently still riding my first set up, a 2014 burton nugget 138: true twin, 3/10 flex, flat-to-rocker paired with ’14 burton scribes. It was a ton of fun to learn on and is still great for freestyle, but it’s tough to get it going fast and stay stable once I get there.
I learned to ride in Southern CA (aka icy to slushy groomers), but I’m up in the Sierras now and my nugget sinks like crazy on powder days! I still plan on keeping it for those early & late season days when I’d prefer to work on my park skills than constantly dodge rocks. However, I have ~4 weeks’ worth of riding days in Tahoe/CO planned this season, so I’m thinking the Jones Twin Sister for something a bit more on the freeride end of the AM spectrum…a board that has a bit more float & stiffness but doesn’t keep me out of the park entirely. I’ve yet to read a negative review of this board!
I’m 5’4″, 105 lbs, boot size women’s 6.5. Do you think a TS 143 would be suitable? The Jones weight/size chart puts me in the 139/143/146 options. I don’t want to pick up more board than I can handle coming from such a flexy and forgiving deck, so I’m worried about size and the 7/10 flex rating (but I’m probably overthinking it) I don’t want to go 139 and end up with the same issues. Thanks for your help!
Nate says
Hi Caitlin
Thanks for your message.
I think the Twin Sister is a good option for you and that you’ll likely not know yourself for carving, speed and powder compared to the nugget.
I would put you on roughly around 142 for an all-mountain board, at an advanced level, so I would certainly be weighing up between the 139 and 143 as you are. Leaning towards the 139, as it’s also a better width for your boot size, and as you describe yourself as intermediate.
Even though the 139 would only be 1cm longer overall compared to the 138 Nugget, it does have a considerably longer effective edge, so will feel longer overall. That and the camber in the profile, the extra flex and the more directional shape should make it noticeably better for carving speed and powder, even at the 139 length. The 143 would be a step better again for powder, speed and carving. But there’s a chance that you would be sacrificing more maneuverability at slower speeds for your liking. And the 143 would be more difficult to handle in the park.
I don’t think the 143 would be way too big for you, but would certainly be more board to handle than the 139. Overall, based on what you’re describing, I would be leaning towards the 139, but if you really wanted to favor powder, speed and carving over park and maneuverability, then the 143 is certainly an option.
Hope this helps and all makes sense
Clare says
Hi Nate,
I am an intermediate rider looking to begin boarding in the back country a bit more. I grew up boarding in pretty icy conditions. Being able to ride switch and fast is important to me. I was originally looking at the Capita Birds of a Feather, given how many awards the board has received. I am looking for Hybrid Camber, and medium flex. 135 lbs, 5’4, women’s size 7 US. I am finding conflicting research about the appropriate length of a board, but I am leaning towards 152-155. Does that sound right? Other boards I am looking at are the Yes Hel Ye, GNU Klassy, and Brossignol Diva LF.
Nate says
Hi Clare
Thanks for your message.
Size-wise, I wouldn’t be looking at going that long for your specs. Something around 148 would be better, IMO. It does depend on what you’re used to as well, and if you’re used to riding something longer, then there’s certainly room to go a little longer, but I wouldn’t go as long as 155 if I was you.
Without knowing what you’re used to, I would say either 146 or 148 for the Birds of a Feather.
Since you’re looking to do more backcountry, I’m not sure the Birds of a Feather is what I would go for either. I would be looking at something that’s better in powder. For which the Klassy and then the Hel Yes would be your best options.
The Birds of a Feather and Diva LF would be the best options for riding switch, with the Hel Yes in between – better for switch than the Klassy.
The Diva, Hel Yes and Klassy are better, IMO, in hard.icy conditions than the Birds of a Feather too.
The Birds of a Feather is a great deck, IMO, but for your purposes I don’t necessarily think it’s the best option. Don’t get me wrong it would do the job, but in this case, I think others would be more suitable.
Overall, I think the Hel Yes would be the best option as a balance between powder performance, edge-hold in hard/icy conditions and still being able to ride switch fine (as well as other good qualities). I would be leaning towards the 149 or 146, but if you’re used to something longer, or if you really want to go longer, then the 152 becomes an option. But I personally wouldn’t recommend longer than the 149 for you.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Maggie Jeffries says
These decisions are so hard!!! I’ve been on the 2008 Infinity Never Summer – the first and only board I’ve purchased after renting through the beginner stages. The minute I stepped onto that board I loved it. Things that I was struggling with immediately got easier and here we are 10 years later. I board 1-2 times per year in great conditions usually Montana and Colorado with a mix of great groomers and powder days when lucky (but as my kids age we may go more often). Lots of lessons and I’m at the point where instructors say I’m advanced but I sometimes let my brain take over- had a bad spill with some bad injuries some years back. That being said, when I don’t think I can kill it on advanced runs and do some trees and bumpy runs. I love to carve big turns (my background is skiing) but I need out of my comfort zone a bit. I don’t do any terrain parks or tricks – but maybe in the future as my young kids get more advanced and I want to stick with them. I want something that I can take everywhere and not worry about the conditions and I can continue to advance my skills like riding switch when in a pinch and making small turns on narrow cats. AND I’m in my 40s but in great shape but I don’t want to work too hard – its really all about the fun for me at this age. Question 1 – do I need a new board? What is the shelf life of a board and how much has changed? Question 2 – what all around board?
Nate says
Hi Maggie
Thanks for your message.
I wouldn’t say that 100% you need a new board, if you’re still enjoying your current board. But things have advanced a fair bit with snowboards since then, so you could certainly notice the difference, IMO.
The other thing is that you, based on what you’re describing, you could probably benefit from something a little stiffer flexing – it would help to improve carving and stability at speed. And after 10 years, your Infinity is likely softer than when you first got it. Not sure how the flex of the 2008 Infinity compares with the latest Infinity but I think it was still supposed to be a softer board back then. At the same time, given that you want to ride with your kids and that you don’t want anything you have to work too hard on, I wouldn’t go too stiff. But stepping up to something 5/10 to 6/10 would be a good way to go, IMO.
If you do decide to change, I think you’re looking in the right place looking at something all-mountain, based on what you’re describing. Pretty much anything from this list is likely to treat you well, IMO . Though maybe not the Swoon, just because it sounds like you see a lot of powder, and you probably don’t want a decrease in powder performance.
Hope this helps with your decision
Morgan says
Any opinions on the 2019 Salomon Rumble Fish? I’m an intermediate rider looking for a good board to progress with. I’m interested in learning butter tricks with the option of going in some pow too. I’ve been looking at the Rumble Fish, but I haven’t found many reviews on it.
Nate says
Hi Morgan
I think the Rumble Fish could work well for you. I wouldn’t say it’s the very easiest board to butter with, but it’s pretty easy to butter (based on the men’s equivalent Assassin). But a lot boards that are easier to butter on tend to be quite soft flexing, so you loose out in other areas then. I think the Rumble Fish would be a good balance between progressing your general riding and learning butter tricks. I wouldn’t say it’s amazing in powder but it’s better in powder than some all-mountain-freestyle options, IMO.
You can check out my ratings for it at the following:
>>My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboards
Hope this helps
Mikaela says
Hi Nate,
Im 5’5”, 130lbs, and size 7 boot. Ive been riding a burton g-twin 146 for over a decade. And just bought a burton talent scout 146 as the gtwin needing retiring. Im having a little buyers remorse though. Feeling like maybe i shouldve switched it up and tried something different and maybe gone down a size…
So im looking at the never summer protosynthesis and burton feelgood flying v. Im sure theres other recommendations. Theres just so many choices. So i was wondering your thoughts and how you would rate the talent scout. I love your rating tables – thank you for those. For some background i used to ride mostly groomers and some pow. In recent years ive gotten into the park so im 50/50 groomers and park now. Pow when i can fly west. I ride switch a lot. In the park i find it difficult to get pop and to butter. But i had figured that was cause my board was ancient. It requires tons of leg strength to get anything out of it which is my main concern now that i pulled the trigger on the talent scout. Thinking maybe my legs are too weak for an all camber board or i just need more practice (and leg strengthening) idk. I would love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Mikaela
Thanks for your message.
The Talent Scout is what I would call an aggressive all-mountain freestyle board. It’s something that takes quite a bit of muscle to ride, not only because it’s all camber, but because it’s quite stiff too. I’d say 7/10 flex. Good for groomers and good for park, if you’re quite advanced in the park. Not so good for pow. For pop, stiffer boards tend to take more to get to pop. They often (depending on other factors of course) have a good amount of pop, but that pop takes a lot to extract. If you have trouble extracting the pop from a board, then there are probably better options – boards whose pop is easier to access.
Size-wise, I think around 146 is a good size for you as an all-mountain size. You could go a little shorter – and if you were going to focus more on park, that might be a good idea, but as a good “do-it-all” size, I think 146 works. But it’s still maybe not quite the right board. Also, while I wouldn’t say the 146 Talent Scout is mega wide for your boot size or anything it is on the wider side, which can make it harder to ride as well – take a bit more muscling of it to ride.
The ProtoSynthesis and Feelgood Flying V would certainly, IMO, be easier to extract the pop and suitable for what you’re describing (with the Feelgood Flying V being the better option for powder and the Proto Synthesis better for riding switch/park). And both are relatively easy to butter, without being super easy – but will be easier to butter than the Talent Scout for sure, IMO. There are other boards that would make pop even easier to access and buttering even easier, but those would certainly be an improvement in that area, IMO.
Some other options, since it sounds like you ride a bit of everything are the Hel Yes and Twin Sister – or even the YES Hello, which would be easier than any of the other options to butter and pop. Or if you were less concerned with powder, then something like the GNU Ladies Choice (still OK for powder, but not quite as good as the others there – but a little better than Proto Synthesis, IMO) would be worth looking into – or even the YES Emoticon, if you wanted to go quite soft (and weren’t that worried about powder).
Hope this helps
Jeremy says
Hello Nate. I am trying to get my wife a new set up. She is an advanced all mountain rider that enjoys riding fast and carving. Does some tree runs and powder but mainly bombing steel groomers. She is currently riding a feelgood es from 2007 154 size 9 boots 5’5 170. I am looking at a 152 2017 NS Aura but am worried it is too small. Any advice would be much appreciated !!
Nate says
Hi Jeremy
Thanks for your message.
I don’t think 152 is overly small for her specs, but given how she likes to ride and the size she’s used to, the 155 (not sure whether or not you have that available) might be better. The 152 would have a little bit less effective edge (1180mm) vs the 2007 Feelgood 154 (1195mm) so it’s a size drop she is likely notice in that respect. The 155 Aura is 1200mm which is closer to the 154 Feelgood. In terms of powder the 152 Aura is likely to be better than the 154 Feelgood, even though it’s smaller, but she would probably loose a little in terms of stability at speed and for carving, IMO. The 152 would also be more suitable in trees, but since she does that less often, the longer 155 might be a better choice overall (if it was available).
Hope this helps with your decision
Jeremy says
Thanks Nate. The Aura I found is 1 year old and barely used and only 150$ so it’s hard to decide since I feel like that price is so solid. Any other boards your may recommend for her that I could keep an eye out for?
Nate says
Hi Jeremy
That is an awesome price! So I can see the temptation there. And it’s certainly not way off in terms of size.
Some other options:
Yes Hel Yes: 155
Arbor Swoon Camber: 155
Or something Freeride, since it sounds like that kind of board would suit her style. Some options here:
>>My Top 5 Women’s Freeride Snowboards
Hope this gives you more options, if you don’t go with the 152 Aura
Mel says
Hi Nate,
Thanks so much for the reviews! I’m in desperate need of a new board. I’ve been boarding for many years, but I haven’t been hitting the slopes as much as I’d like each season and thus have stuck with my really old board. Now, I’m ready to invest in a new one along with bindings and boots. I’m an intermediate/advanced rider, but I tend to stay out of the park. I ride goofy and don’t ride switch too often. I’m 5’5″ and about 135 lbs. I’ll probably get an all mountain board and am considering the Gnu Ladies Choice or the Never Summer Infinity or Proto Type Two. What are your thoughts?
Thanks, Mel
Nate says
Hi Mel
Not sure if you got my reply to your first message (see above).
Mel says
Hi Nate,
Thanks so much for the reviews. I am in desperate need of a new board. I’ve been riding for many years, but I don’t get to ride that often each season so I’ve stuck with my old board for a really long time. I’m an intermediate/advanced rider and am looking for a good all mountain board. I’m considering either the Gnu Ladies Choice or the Never Summer Infinity or Proto Type Two. I’m 5’5″ and about 135 lbs. I ride goofy and don’t ride switch very often, and I tend to stay out of the park. I’d love your suggestions thoughts on these boards. I’ll also be looking for a complete set-up with new bindings – something quick and easy to get into – and new boots, too.
Nate says
Hi Mel
Thanks for your message.
I would consider the GNU Ladies Choice and the Proto Type Two as being more all-mountain-freestyle but that’s not a problem, they’re still really versatile. Main thing is, if you ride a lot of powder, especially deep powder, then they would be less appropriate, IMO. But if you only ever ride powder occasionally or never really get deep powder, then that’s no problem. And the Ladies Choice is a little better in powder than the PT2. I would say PT2 = 2.5/5 for powder, the Ladies Choice 3/5 and the Infinity 3.5/5.
The Infinity is quite a playful, as opposed to aggressive all mountain ride. If that’s what you’re looking for, then that’s certainly an option. It’s a little softer flexing than the PT2 and the Ladies Choice, and has a more mellow camber profile.
Size-wise, I would look at the following for each of those boards:
Ladies Choice: 145.5
PT2: 145
Infinity: 148 (or 145 if you wanted to go shorter)
You could also go up to the 148.5 for the Ladies Choice and the 147 for the Proto Type Two. If you’re used to riding something longer, then you might want to size up to the 147/148. For the Infinity you could definitely get on the 148. For all-mountain-freestyle boards, I like to go a little shorter. Though if you’re not doing a lot of freestyle stuff, then there’s less incentive to go shorter.
In terms of bindings and boots, check out the following. For the PT2 and Ladies Choice I would look at bindings with a flex of either 5/10 or 6/10. For the Infinity, something 4/10 or 5/10, ideally, but you could also go with 6/10 for that.
>>Top Women’s Freestyle Bindings
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
>>My Top Women’s Freestyle Snowboard Boots
>>My Top Women’s All-Mountain Snowboard Boots
Hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions or comments
Evelien says
Hi Nate,
I’m looking for a board that I can grow into and am looking at the Twin Sister.
– I am currently at a beginner intermediate level. I can go down the mountain properly and am starting to pick up speed. Do you believe the Twin Sister would be a good board to grow into at my level? I’ll be snowboarding mostly in Norway (more chances of it being a bit icy) as well as Colorado.
– I’m 125 LBS, 5′ 7″ tall, and current boot size of 10 (though it’s more 9/ 9.5 realistically as they are small to size). In terms of weight I’d go for the 149, but in terms of length and boot size, perhaps the 152 would be better?
– Finally, my current bindings (as well as board) are pretty crappy so I’ll definitely be looking for a full new set up. Any suggestions on bindings?
Thanks a lot!
Kind regards,
Evelien
Nate says
Hi Evelien
Thanks for your message.
I think the Twin Sister is a good option from intermediate and up and it’s the kind of board that can grow with you and something you could ride indefinitely if you wanted to. If you feel you’re close to an intermediate level, then I think it would be a good choice.
However, in terms of size, I think the 146 would be your best choice. You could ride the 149 as well but I think that’s getting slightly too long to be ideal. Doable but not ideal. And would be a steeper learning curve and perhaps then not as appropriate for your level. The 152 would be too long, IMO.
In terms of width, it would be cutting it close with the 146, but you might be OK depending on a couple of things. Just to clarify, you’re saying you have size 10 boots currently. Is that US Women’s 10? And you’re saying you think they’re too big for you and you’re probably going to change to a 9 or 9.5? If you end up with a 9 (US Women’s 9), then you should be fine width-wise. If you end up with a 9.5, then you might still be OK, but it would depend on binding angles. If you ride with something like a +15/-15 or similar (i.e. a reasonable angle on the back foot) then it should be fine width-wise. If you ride with a really straight back foot, like +18/+3 or something like that then it would be risking it being too narrow. Not sure if you have set binding angles, but if you know them, that could help to decide.
In terms of bindings, check out the following, which would be a suitable match for the Twin Sister.
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
If you need more options outside those let me know. And yeah if you could clarify your boot size, then I can make a more accurate prediction regarding whether or not the width of the 146 Twin Sister will be OK or not.
Hope this helps
Ella says
Hi Nate, Thank you so much the reviews – they’re awesome! I’m desperate for some advice, I’m very confused about what kind of board would suit me best. I did a week of learning on a rented board Salomon Liberty (which I believe is a directional flat camber) a few years ago and loved riding it. I got quite confident pretty fast on it. I then bought Capita Birds of a feather 2016 model and really hated riding it. I did three 5 day trips with it. My carving got quite good when it was a good snow day, but usually in higher speeds it felt unstable and it didn’t hold on icy conditions at the alps at all. It wasn’t as fun to ride as the Salomon Liberty had been. I really enjoy riding goofy and doing little ollies and I thought I would enjoy a playful board, but I don’t do any park riding. First I thought maybe I need a more forgiving ride with a good magne-traction edge hold like the B-Nice or chromatic, but now I’m thinking maybe I need a more stable all mountain board so I can go fast on it.. Is there a board that is good in higher speeds, yet doesn’t catch edges, is fun to ride goofy on but with great edge hold on icy conditions? I have been thinking maybe the Frenemy, Yes Emoticon or Gnu asym Velvet Gnuru. What are your thoughts? I’m 5’7, weight 120lbs and my boot size is 6. If I were to go for the Frenemy do you think a size 147 would be good? Thank you so so much in advance.
Nate says
Hi Ella
Thanks for your message.
I’m not familiar with the Salomon Liberty but from what I could find it is pretty beginner friendly, and like you say – has a flat camber profile and directional shape.
The Birds of a Feather is a softer flexing board but it’s not necessarily what I would consider overly playful. It has quite an aggressive camber profile, which has it’s advantages but can also make a board feel catchy for some. Also, I’m not surprised about what you describe about how it felt in softer snow compared to harder/icy snow. It’s not something that I would rate very highly for hard/icy conditions.
Since you’re looking for a more stable feeling and since you need something that’s good in hard/icy conditions, I think the Frenemy and Emoticon would certainly be good options. The Velvet Gnuru would work too, in terms of hard/icy conditions but it’s a looser feeling board than the other two. Both the Frenemy and the Emoticon are also boards that aren’t catchy.
The Emoticon will, IMO, be better for riding switch and for ollies/jumps, IMO. But the Frenemy will be better/more stable at speed and better in powder. Overall, from what you’re describing I would say Frenemy would be your best bet out of those two.
But you could also look at the Twin Sister. It’s a little stiffer and not quite as good in hard/icy than the Frenemy (but still pretty good) but it’s also a little better at speed.
The YES Hel Yes is also a great hard/icy snow option, but it might be a little aggressive for you at this stage.
Something around 147 in length would be a good size for you, if you considered yourself at an advanced level. If you think you’re more of an intermediate level, then it can be good to take off a couple of cms. The other thing to consider is width. When you say size 6, do you mean a US Women’s 6 or a UK 6? If it’s a US Women’s 6, then I would be more inclined to going a little shorter to compensate for the fact that these boards will be on the wide side for you. In that case, the 144 Frenemy and the 143 Twin Sister would be the better options. If a UK 6, then the 147 Frenemy and 146 Twin Sister are probably the better options, given that you want that extra stability at speed, but the 144 and 143 would still be options.
Generally speaking shorter = better in trees, more maneuverable at slow speeds and better for jumps, spins, jibs, butters etc (freestyle stuff) and longer = better stability at speed, more float in powder, and better for wider/longer carves.
Hope this helps with your decision.
Ella says
Thank you so so much for your reply! You really are amazing! I think I will go for the Frenemy, I’m just wondering about how the width of the board affects the ride? My Capita Birds of the Feather board is 144cm but it felt a little bit short. My friend has the same board in 148cm and we swapped boards for a few days as she was struggling with her board’s length. I actually preferred it to my board as it did feel more stable, yet was tiring to manoeuvre in any kind of choppy end of the day snow, and also not so fun when I was a bit tired. I felt 146cm in that board would had been the best size, I hence wonder taking into consideration the Frenemy’s wideness if the 144cm or 147cm would be better? I’m definitely not an advanced rider, more of a beginner/intermediate and my boot size is 6 US. Thanks so much for all your help!
Nate says
Hi Ella
Thanks for the extra info.
Yeah I would be leaning towards the 144 Frenemy. The 147 is similar in length to the 148 Birds of a Feather in the sense that the 147 Frenemy and 148 Birds of a Feather have the same effective edge. And the 147 Frenemy is going to be a little wider at the inserts. The 144 Frenemy is going to be a good bit wider at the inserts compared to your Birds of a Feather 144 and quite wide for 6s, IMO. Going too wide can make turns more physically fatiguing and less maneuverable, but going a little shorter you gain some of that ease of maneuverability back.
The 144 Frenemy is similar (just a touch longer) in terms of effective edge to the 144 Birds of a Feather, so you won’t be getting any significant increase in effective edge, but overall I think it will be a better option for you, particularly with that extra edge-hold in hard/icy conditions.
One other option to look at – hopefully not to consfuse things more! Is the Nitro Mystique. Not quite as good edge-hold in hard/icy as the Frenemy, but the 146 would be an appropriate length for that board and is narrower overall than the Frenemy. Another option to consider but I think the Frenemy 144 would work too.
Hope this helps
Ella says
Thank you so much, this has been super helpful! I decided to go with the Frenemy 144cm. Can’t wait to try it out next month! Thanks again 🙂
Nate says
You’re very welcome Ella. If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to ride it. Happy riding!
Ella says
Hi again Nate 🙂
I just realised that the Birds of Feather 2016 had quite a bit longer effective edge than the 2019 board, for 144cm the effective edge was 113.9. I wonder if the 144 Frenemy’s 108 effective edge is gonna feel short in comparison? I know the Frenemy is wider and has a directional shape, so I don’t know if losing the length on the effective edge is gonna be noticeable. Would you still recommend the 144cm over the 147cm? Thanks so much for all your help!
Nate says
Hi Ella
Good spotting!
Upon further investigation, it seems a few of Capita’s boards changed in terms of effective edge (initially for the 2018 model). But I can’t see what other specs changed that would have lead to that adjustment in effective edge figures. So, I’m not sure if Capita just changed how they measured their effective edges, or if the effective edge is actually different now.
Was your friends 148 also 2016 or 2017 or was it newer?
Leechun Guo says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for these reviews, they are really very detailed and useful. I want to ask for your advise of choosing a snowboard for my wife. She is 163cm and 120lbs. Her riding ability is around intermediate to advanced. Mostly prefer to ride all mountain style but sometimes might try some freestyle manoeuvres. Here are some boards we are considering.
– Rossignol Diva 148, 2018
– Rossignol Frenemy 147, 2018
– Salomon Wonder 146, 2018
– Yes Hel Yes 146, 2019
Which boards/length are you suggesting?
Nate says
Hi Leechun
Thanks for your message.
I would say that the Diva is a more aggressive and more freestyle oriented option compared to the other 3. So, that’s probably the least appropriate I would say, from what you’re describing. It’s not as versatile as the other 3, IMO. But the other 3 would all certainly be suitable from what you’re describing.
Size-wise, generally speaking I would say something, in the range between 143 and 145. So you could go 143 for the Wonder or 144 for the Frenemy. But 146 would still be an appropriate size – and for the Hel Yes, that’s the shortest option, so if you were to go for that, then the 146 would be your best bet.
Hope this helps
Katie says
Hi Nate,
I tend to hold on to boards for along time.. like a loooooong time, but am getting close to time for a new one. I went from a 153′ 1995 Burton Brushie (dating myself I know) to a 154′ Burton Feelgood (maybe around 2007? could be earlier.. it was pre-channel bindings :/). I’m intermediate/advanced, prefer time in the trees but sometimes on hardpack groomers and the occasional kicker. At the mercy of the conditions of the mountain that day! I am 5’6″ish and 164 ish lbs… (also just got Burton Lexa bindings, but think I can still get the bolt disc plate). Suggestions?
Nate says
Hi Katie
Thanks for your message.
Starting with size. I think something around that 153, 154 mark is a good length for you, and since it’s a length that you’re used to as well, I think it would be a good idea to stick with something around that.
Since everything you’ve ridden previously has been all camber, I also think it’s a good idea to stick with either full camber or a hybrid camber (camber between the feet with rocker towards tip and tail). I think going with something that has too much rocker, or rocker between the feet might be quite weird for you at this stage. It’s not a no-go, if you wanted to try something different, but if you don’t too much of an adjustment, then Camber or Hybrid Camber would be your best bet.
One Option is to go Burton Feelgood again – the longest size in the 2019 model is 152, but I think that would be fine. And going a little shorter will help in the trees too. It’s still going to be an improved ride from your 2007 model, but won’t be a big leap in terms of having a different feel.
But I think you’d also really like the Jones Twin Sister and YES Hel Yes (both Hybrid Camber). The Hel Yes a particularly good option if you ride in hard/icy conditions a lot – though the Twin Sister isn’t bad in those conditions either.
For both it would be a toss up between the 152 and 155. Pros for the 152 would be better in trees, better maneuverability at slower speeds. Better for more freestyle stuff. Pros for 155 would be more float in powder, better stability at speed. Note that the effective edge on the 155 Twin Sister (1160mm) and 155 Hel Yes (1170mm), is closer to the effective edge on the Feelgood 152 (1165mm) than the 152s of those boards are.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Michelle Fox says
Hi Nate,
I’d love your advice. I’m 5′ 4″ and 130lbs. I’ve been riding for decades. I like speed and carving but I spend a good deal of time exploring tight trees and mashing up choppy stuff. I like to ride switch a little and play around with small jumps, 180s etc. too. I’ve been riding burton Feelgood cambers for awhile and my current one is getting old. It’s a 152. I feel like my favorite board ever was a Burton Custom 148 (yr 2000). Do they even make a 148 anymore? How does the Custom really compare to the Feelgood? What other boards should I be considering? I don’t want something sloppy, it’s got to hold an edge, feel stable, but be light and fun to whip around when I want. Don’t see enough powder to worry about that.
Nate says
Hi Michelle
Thanks for your message.
If you like camber and don’t see that much powder, then I think sticking to something camber is probably a good idea.
Size-wise, I would say something around 147, 148 would be the best size for you, given your specs, style and riding at an advanced level. However, if you’re used to a 152, then you could go a little longer than that. That said, going a little shorter would help with tight trees. Speed and carving likes length, in my opinion, so you wouldn’t want to go too short to effect those aspects too much. So, something between 147 and 150 is good range, I reckon.
The Custom camber’s smallest size for the current model is 150, which I think is a doable length if that’s something you wanted to look at. The only thing is if it’s going to be too wide for you. What’s your boot size? In saying that the Custom 150 isn’t hugely wider than the 152 Feelgood. But also may not be ideal, depending on your boot size.
Whilst not completely identical, the Feelgood (2019) and the Custom (2019) are really really similar. So, if the Feelgood was going to be a better width, then I think that’s the better option. And the 149 might be a better length for you than your current 152. The 149 Feelgood has the same effective edge as the 150 Custom, so, in terms of carving and speed, the same length essentially.
Note though that the new Custom and the new Feelgood are quite different now to older models (especially compared to a 2000 Custom! – not sure of the age of your feelgood).
So yeah, depending on boot size, I think the Feelgood 149 would be a good option.
You could also check out something like the Nitro Fate in a 147 or 150. Or the Arbor Swoon Camber – although Arbor boards tend to be a little heavier, based on the ones that I’ve weighed, so if you’re looking for something light that might not be an option.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Kate says
Hi Nate,
I hope you can help. You gave me some advice when I was looking to buy my first board a couple of years ago and I’ve loved my Rossignol Frenemy ever since. However, I can’t decide whether to try something new and am wondering what the current advice would be. I’ve been snowboarding nearly 3 years now and was getting confident on the red runs on our last holiday. I’m slowly gaining confidence at switch but progressing to Freestyle still eludes me. I had one taster lesson (the only one offered at my local snowdome) but have found it difficult to progress with little jumps, ollies etc. by myself. As I spend all my time in the snowdome (in the UK), apart from one holiday a year (Austria coming up in January), I’m keen to learn just a little freestyle to keep things interesting. I know most of it is my lack of confidence and ability, but I do also wonder whether I should be trying something more flex-y.
I’m 5’7” and around 140-147lbs (64-67kg). My boots are Northwave Dominos in a UK Size 7/US 9. I ride with 15 degrees on each foot (I think!), and my board is currently a 150. Bindings are Burton Scribes in large (possibly thinking of getting new as my boots are a super tight fit in these). However, I don’t think I’d want to go any narrower with the waist width as I feel I’m on the cusp with the overhang.
Should I just stick with my much loved Frenemy? It’s great in the ice, which is perfect in the snowdome, but I just don’t know whether something a little shorter or more flexible might help with learning Freestyle (I’m truly hopeless). Would really appreciate your thoughts. Many thanks ?
Nate says
Hi Kate
Thanks for your message.
Glad that you’re loving the Frenemy, and that it sounds like you’re progressing nicely!
Ideally, if you’re going to start out with freestyle stuff, then yeah, going with something softer and more freestyle oriented is a good way to go. Will make it easier and give you more confidence to start with. The Frenemy is by no means a bad board for riding freestyle, but it’s also not ideal. If you didn’t want to buy another board to learn freestyle on, then you could try widening your stance on the Frenemy. That would just give you a bit more of a stable landing platform – you loose a bit of maneuverability with a wide stance but you gain a more stable platform. I’d say it would help a little – and then you could move it back to your regular stance when you want that maneuvarability back.
But ideally you would get a second board as a dedicated freestyle board. And ideally you also want something a little shorter. Going shorter would also help you learn freestyle and give you more confidence. Your Frenemy’s size is great for you for riding the mountain, IMO and would be fine for freestyle too, if you were already confident with it. But shorter will definitely help to learn. So, shorter, softer flex and more freestyle oriented in its specs is the way to go.
Size-wise, I would say something anything from 145 to 149 would be a good freestyle length for you. But since you already have a 150 all-mountain board, and since you are just starting out with freestyle it would make sense to go on the shorter side of that range. So, something 145 to 147 would work well, IMO.
The other thing to mention is that, since you’re just starting out with freestyle stuff, that going with a friendly camber profile is also a good idea. Some freestyle boards are more aggressive and have a lot of camber. Since, you’re just starting out with freestyle and looking to gain confidence, I wouldn’t recommend one of those.
Check out the list below to get some ideas of options, but probably leave out the Cadence Camber and the Burton Rewind (as the camber would be too aggressive) and the Ladies Choice (not overly aggressive in the camber, but combination of reasonable camber and being a little stiffer makes it not ideal for your purposes, IMO).
>>My Top 5 Women’s Freestyle Snowboards
Also taking into account width – as you said you didn’t want anything narrower than what you have, then I would recommend the following:
~ Rossignol Meraki 145 (240mm waist) – also good edge-hold in hard/icy conditions so would be a good choice, IMO.
~ Niche Minx 146 (243mm waist) – this would be a really good size for you, IMO and otherwise also a good choice for learning freestyle – also good in hard/icy conditions
~ Capita Space Metal Fantasy 147 (239mm waist) – getting a little narrower but otherwise another good option, IMO (though not as good in hard/icy as the 2 above)
~ Burton Yeasayer 148 (244mm waist) – a little longer than ideal and also not as good in hard/icy conditions, but otherwise fits the bill
There are a lot of other options that would be suitable but are often too narrow in those lengths. There will be more options, but those are the ones that I found for now and I think they would work well, especially the first 2.
You could try widening the stance on your Frenemy and see if that makes any difference and if not, then look into one of those?
Anyway, hope this helps
Kate says
Thanks so much for your advice, that really helps! I will give the wider stance a go and see how I progress. I know it’s a confidence thing more than anything, but also feel I could do with all the help I can get. It would just be nice to improve and keep things interesting in the snowdome. I’ll certainly have a look at the boards and maybe see what I can afford come Christmas time! Thanks again 🙂
Nate says
You’re very welcome Kate. Yeah certainly a board that’s easier to ride freestyle would help to give you more confidence but yeah give that stance a try and see how you go. Happy riding!
Darya says
Please, correct your description for Jones Twin Sister: it’s stiffness=7, not 6.
Nate says
Hi Darya
Thanks for your message. I did see that the official stiffness rating for the Twin Sister is 7. However, I like to rate them as I see them and try to give a universal rating that’s cross-brand. But I’m rating this based on the fact that I feel the Mountain Twin is 6/10 by feel on snow, rather than 7/10 as its rated. But if the Twin Sister doesn’t translate to the Mountain Twin as accurately as I thought, then I’m open to discussing that.
Vesper says
Hi Nate,
Thank you for your reviews, it helps a lot!!
I’m an intermediate rider that prefers off-piste but not always get to ride at the prefect conditions, so I have to be geared up to face the icy slopes as well (it happens a lot here in Russia). Sometimes I ride at snowparks, but only do boxes and little kickers, nothing serious.
I used to ride Burton Blender (V-Rocker, Mid-Spoon) for 5 seasons and was so happy with that board! Had to change it because I got Flux bindings as a present and it was not matching with Burton bindings system. So I got myself a Roxy Radiance board which I just didn’t understand. Had to sell it after only one season as the riding experience was not as fun and pleasant as it was with Burton.
So now I’m looking for a new board that would suit me 🙂 I’ve been thinking about Jones Twin Sister or Yes Hel Yes after your review but unfortunately I can’t get it here in Russia. What other option would you recommend me?
I’m 165 cm, 60 kg, snbrd boots size – 8,5.
Thanks a lot!
Nate says
Hi Vesper
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing, I think something like the Rossignol Frenemy could work for you. It’s a very versatile board that would work for your park stuff, but can also ride off-piste and is good in icy conditions. Not sure if you have that available in Russia, not sure what brands are available there. You could also look at something like the Salomon Wonder if that’s available. There’s also the Nitro Mystique, which looks like it would be a similar feel to the Burton Blender. It’s a little softer (4/10) than the others on this list, but if you don’t mind that, it could work too.
Size-wise, I think the 147 if you went for the Frenemy. Though you could also ride the 144 – but I think the 147 would be better for when you do get powder, go off-piste etc. The 144 better for when you hit the park but overall the 147 is probably your best choice. But what you’re used to also comes into it. If you’re used to riding something considerably shorter than 147, then the 144 might be the better option.
Generally speaking something in the 144 to 147 range would be a good length for you, IMO. But if you could let me know the size of your Blender and your Radiance, if you can remember, that would help too.
Hope this helps
Ashley says
Hi, Nate! I’m gearing up for my 2nd season and looking for a new board. I learned on a K2 Moment 146 that my boyfriend set me up with, but it’s pretty beat up and I need new bindings anyway. I rode about 30 times last season and was easily navigating blues and a few blacks by march. We ride NY and VT regularly, but hoping for a trip out West this year. I’m trying to find a board that will fit my progression. I think I’m an intermediate (on the low side though), and don’t plan on a lot of park riding. We definitely get ice here, but I don’t work when it snows so i was able to have a lot of fresh powder days last season as well. I’m trying to improve my speed this season and dig in more with my carving. I caught a few hard edges last year that left me a bit hesitant. I just don’t know what boards to look at. Any suggestions would be appreciated!
Nate says
Hi Ashley
Thanks for your message.
I think you’re looking in the right place, since you’re at that intermediate level. The kinds of boards in this list are a good next step up and since you’ve ridden a good 30 days, it’s likely you’re ready for the step up. It will take some adjustment of course, but once you’re used to it, you’ll start to really appreciate the difference – especially for stability at speed and for carving.
I would cross off the Feelgood, just because it’s all camber and something that’s not that intermediate friendly. Also, the Feelgood Flying V isn’t that good in hard/icy conditions, so cross that too. The Infinity isn’t going to be as good as others on this list in terms of speed and carving, so that’s one you could also consider crossing off. Though it would be the easiest to progress on. I’d say similar things about the Frenemy.
The Dream Catcher and the Twin Sister would be your best bets in my opinion.
Size is also important. I’m happy to recommend a size if you’re able to let me know your height, weight and boot size.
Hope this helps
Ashley says
Thanks so much! I would love a size recommendation. I’m 5’4, about 125lbs and wear a 7.5 boot. 143 was recommended to me by a few shops, but I’m still searching. Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Ashley
Yeah, I would say something around a 143, 144 for your level/specs, would be a good bet.
For the Twin Sister I would say 143.
The Dream Catcher is the kind of board that is good to go a little longer, so for that I’d say 145.
Frenemy 144.
Hope this helps and let me know if you need anymore help for your search
Ashley says
I think I’ve landed on the Frenemy. I’m having a hard time finding a 144, but I have found 147. Would that be too big? Also, any binding recommendations? I’ll probably go Union, but I’m open to suggestions!! Thanks!!
Nate says
Hi Ashley
I think 147 is something you could ride at a more advanced level, but I think it’s going to be too big for now. I think the 144 would be a much better length – and a better width, for you. 147 doable, but if you can find the 144 I think that would be better.
I think Union Trilogy would be your best bet but the Union Juliet would also be suitable.
Also check out:
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
For other options.
Hope this helps
Alana says
Hey Nate,
Im looking to upgrade my board. Ive been on the 146cm forum spinster and have always found that it made progressing really difficult as it was my first board. I went graphics over functionality! Im currently intermediate skill level riding in Australia and NZ. Looking for an all mountain board to gain more confidence at higher speeds and steeper runs.
Ive been looking at either the rossignol frenemy 150 or Salomon wander 150cm. Im 73kg and 165cm however i suspect ill be back to my usual weight of 66-68kg by next season. Shoe size 7. Was just wondering which of those boards would be a better pick or if there was another board you could recommend ? Thanks in advance!
Nate says
Hi Alana
Thanks for your message.
Based on 70kg, I think 150cm would be a good length for you. I don’t have any experience with Forum boards, but it sounds like the Spinster is a park board and quite soft flexing. The little bit more in terms of flex and more directional feel of an all-mountain board will certainly help for riding faster and steeper. So, even at the same length, you would likely gain something going for a more all-mountain board like the Frenemy or Wonder. But adding length and going to 150cm would also help there.
For the Wonder you could go either 146 or 150 – the 146 would be a better width for your boot size, but the 150 a better length, IMO. Overall, I’d say 150.
For the Frenemy either the 147 or 150 – again, 147 better width, but the 150 better size overall, IMO.
I would say skip the Infinity as it’s probably a little too soft flexing for what you’re looking for. And skip the Feelgood, just because it’s not as intermediate suitable. But anything else on this list would also work well for you, IMO.
Hope this helps
Alana says
Thanks heaps Nate! I went for the frenemy after all ?
Nate says
You’re very welcome Alana! If you think of it at, let me know what you think once you’ve had a chance to ride it.
Becca says
Hi Nate,
I’m looking to upgrade my bindings and board for the season after riding 5 years on the same gear. Hoping to take advantage of some Labor Day sales so probably looking at 2017/2018 season. Currently have a full rocker 148 cm Burton with Burton bindings, 5′-6″ 130 lb with 7.5 (very narrow) feet.
Definitely need a high intermediate/expert board and bindings that can handle just about everything; riding fast down groomers, Colorado powder, trees, a bit of park (boxes and rails), and the occasional side country hike or switch day. Durability is also a bit of a concern – riding between 30-40 days a season. Would like to find something more aggressive than what I’m riding now but flexible enough that it can still be playful.
Thoughts on Now bindings? I’ve demo’ed them on a couple of groomers and liked the feel but they were on an unfamiliar men’s board so possibly too many unknown factors. Again, durability is an issue so leaning away from Unions and I have no interest in Flows.
Any info would be super helpful, thanks!
Nate says
Hi Becca
Thanks for your message.
From what you’re describing, I think you’re looking in the right place. Sounds like you have a lot of variety in the way you ride, so an all-mountain board would be a great fit. And moving away from full rocker will definitely help with stability at speed and carving as well as helping to get more pop. But going full camber has its disadvantages, like not being as good in powder and, IMO, making boxes/rails more difficult. But yeah certainly more aggressive than a full rocker.
In terms of length, I would stick to around that 148cm mark. Sizing up can give you a bit more in terms of aggressiveness, stability at speed and more float in powder – but it also takes away from riding in the trees, and in the park. I think 148 is a good balance for your specs and ability. And if you’re moving to a board with more camber and that’s slightly stiffer flexing, then you’re getting the extra aggression, edge-hold, carving ability, stability at speed from those factors anyway.
From this list I would skip the Infinity as it might be just a bit too playful for what you’re looking for – and I would skip the Burton Feelgood as it’s full camber. Otherwise the other 4 would all make good options, IMO.
I’ve ridden a lot of Jones boards but I’ve never owned one, so I can’t comment on durability there. The Burton and Rossi boards I own have lasted fine so far (both 1 season old). Though my brothers Rossi has a crack in it (though he blames the tree that he tried to hug, rather than the board!)
Bindings
I have demoed NOW bindings once, so I haven’t had much time on them. I wouldn’t say I was blown away by them, but they were above average. Seemed sturdy to me, but couldn’t say for sure in terms of durability.
The Union bindings I and others I know own haven’t had any durability issues, but there are other options, if you’d prefer not to go Union. I also own Burton bindings and flux bindings and they’ve both held up well. I’ve owned Flux for a good few years and they seem really solid durability-wise.
For some good options in that mid-flex range, check out the following:
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Hope this helps
Vanessa says
Hi Nate,
Thank you for the reviews! I found them all super useful. May I ask for some advice when choosing btw Never summer proto type 2 and Salomon wonder? I am an intermediate & light weight (103lb), looking to learn some tricks. Which board do you recommend? Which is more stable/catch free? Thank you!
Nate says
Hi Vanessa
Thanks for your message.
Overall I would recommend the Proto Type Two. But these are 2 slightly different boards.
The Wonder is more all-mountain oriented and the Proto Type Two more freestyle oriented (what I class as all-mountain-freestyle).
The Wonder has a small setback (10mm) and a directional twin shape (nose slightly longer than the tail) whereas the Proto Type Two is a true twin (or an asym twin to be more precise as it has a tighter sidecut on the heel side compared with the toe side), with a centered stance.
In terms of being catch-free, neither are the most catchy or the most un-catchy either. But I’d say that the Proto Type 2 would be the least of the 2. It’s pretty easy to skid your turns on and should be fine for an intermediate level rider. The Wonder would be fine too, but maybe just a little easier to catch an edge on. Both boards are quite stable.
Given that you’re looking to learn tricks, then I think the Proto Type Two would be the best pick for you. If you’d like a size recommendation, as it’s also important to get the size right, if you could just let me know your height and boot size (already have your weight from your post above), then I’d be happy to give you my opinion on the right size for you.
Hope this helps
Cy says
Hi Nate! I’m 4′ 10″, 97lbs and this was my first season riding. Looking for a beginner board to learn how to link turns and just cruise down groomed runs (maybe even carve?). I bought a pass for next season and really want to progress.
Currently have:
32 Lashed double boa, size 5
Union Rosa bindings, size small (2016)
Any suggestions? I live in California if that helps.
Nate says
Hi Cy
Thanks for your message.
First of all, in terms of length, I would say that something around 136 would be a good length for your specs, if you were an advanced rider. As a beginner it’s a good idea to take off a bit of length (roughly 3-5cm) so something areound 131 to 133 would be a good range to look at. That would mean looking at a youth sized board, as women’s boards don’t come in that short. There are some that come in a 136, so if you were really keen to get a women’s board rather than a youth board, then there are options (check out link below):
>>My Top 10 Women’s Beginner Snowboards
But yeah, I would say try to go for something a little shorter as it will make progression easier/faster for you, initially.
Also, in terms of width, with size 5s, going for a youth board would allow you to get on something narrower. A lot of women’s boards will be a little too wide for size 5s, IMO.
That said, unfortunately I’m no expert on youth boards but these are some options that would be beginner friendly (based on specs) and in a good size range.
~ YES Fun Inc 133
~ Never Summer Starlet 130
~ K2 Kandi 134
~ Rome Royal Girls 134
~ Burton Deja Vu Smalls 130 (or 134)
~ Roxy Inspire 134
Like I say, I don’t have too much experience with youth boards but these would be good options in terms of being beginner friendly and also in a good size. But yeah if you really wanted to go Women’s I’d totally get that, and in that case try to find something no longer than 136, IMO.
Hope this helps
Maude says
I was looking at the Twin Sister and it seems like its score is 73%, not 89%, which would put it at the bottom of the list, IF it makes it. Unless there was a mistake in the rating. This board caught my eye and I can’t seem to find too many customer reviews. I found it in store at 30% off, I think it would fit me according to the specs. Is there a mistake in the ratings? I hope there is ! Thanks for your answer 🙂
Nate says
Hi Maude
Yes, the rating system is normalized. It’s a little bit complicated (but so are snowboards!). The total scores for each category of board are normalized based on the scores in that particular category. In the case of women’s all-mountain, they are normalized to 82. Which basically means that the total score added up is divided by 82 and multiplied by 100.
The main reason this is done is that a score like 73/100 wouldn’t sound very good and wouldn’t accurately represent how good the board is at doing what it does. This is the particularly the case for all-mountain boards, which don’t tend to score big in any one category because they are designed to be good at a bit of everything. More specialized boards tend to have a smaller normalization number (which makes the final score closer to the raw score) because they might get 5/5 in some categories – and the rating system is more weighted towards certain categories – whereas for all-mountain boards, the weightings are spread quite equally across all performance categories (which reflects that they are boards that are good at doing a bit of everything).
Hope this makes sense! But if it doesn’t, the Twin Sister essentially received the best score of all the all-mountain boards that I rated. 73/100 was the highest raw score.
Maude says
Hi Nate !
Thanks for your explanation, It makes sense now. I saw the Twin Sister and fell in love with its design last weekend. I thought to myself that one can’t buy a board because it’s pretty, but it stayed in my head. It looked a bit long for me, I’m just 5’3” tall (160 cm) but I weight close to 170 pounds. According to Jones website, by weight, I should go for a 155. Then I found this website that gives an idea taking into account height and weight :
How to Choose Your Snowboard Size – Whitelines
According to this website, once again I should go for something in the 156-158 range.
I started learning March 11th , I’ve been 11 times so far. My board is 145cm, its a flow that was rented 3 years until I got it. I would consider myself an intermediate level 4 according to an earlier article you wrote.
Long story short, I bought the Twin Sister in the only size they had left (152cm) for a good price I believe (350$). Do you think this is a good move? I spoke to the seller at BasinSports and she was encouraging me to get the Never Summer Proto 2 (148cm) instead. She was really enthusiastic about that one, putting emphasis on the fact that the deeper heelside sidecut was helping a lot making it as easy on your heelside as on your toeside.
Any thoughts?
Thank you!
Nate says
Hi Maude
In terms of size I would say you are spot on with the 152. I would put you at around 153cm give or take, so 152 is just right, IMO, as an intermediate rider. The 155 would be a touch too long, IMO, and whilst the 149 would probably be the better size for you as a beginner, I think the 152 is something that you can ride forever, whereas the 149 is probably something you would have wanted to size up a bit from at some stage if you went for that. But year, IMO, the 155 would be too long for you.
This is my take on length sizing:
>>Snowboard Length Sizing
I think the 145 wasn’t a bad choice to begin with as it’s easier to learn on a smaller board. But something around 151, 152 is a better bet as you progress, IMO. That would be the other thing with going 155 – you would have had to adjust to a 10cm difference which would have been a huge adjustment. As it is you’re adding 7cm which will take a little to get used to.
The Proto Type Two is something you can actually ride a little smaller (as the effective edge compared to overall length is quite long compared to a lot of boards). E.g the 148 PT2 has a 114cm effective edge compared with the 113.4cm effective edge on the Twin Sister 152. So the longer 152 Twin Sister actually has a smaller effective edge than the 148 PT2. So for the PT2, I would agree that the 148 would be the better size for you, for that particular board. The PT2 is what I would consider an all-mountain-freestyle board and is something you would typically, IMO, size down for a little bit. The Twin Sister is what I would consider an all-mountain board.
The PT2 is an asym board – it has an asymmetrical side cut. So the side cut on the heel edge is deeper than it is on the toe edge. I personally like asym boards, but not everyone does. There are a few going around these days. It’s not a deal breaker, IMO, but I do enjoy it for certain boards.
If you like the sound of the PT2, then it is a great board – but so is the Twin Sister. They are slightly different in what they’re good at too. If you want to check out my Top 5 All-Mountain-Freestyle snowboards at the link below, you can see how the Twin Sister compares (IMO) to the PT2. The main things are that the Twin Sister is better for riding powder and the Proto Type Two is better for jumps and riding switch. The PT2 also has the advantage of that asym side cut, which helps it to be a better carver, IMO.
>>My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboards
Hope this helps
Maude Pilon says
Thank you so much for your detailed response !
I chose the Twin Sister in the end.
I went to pick it up and showed it to a friend of mine who is an avid snowboarder. I found out he rides a Proto and he was in love with it. It made me question my decision a bit, but I think I will have fun with mine too. My friend is definitely an advanced rider and he was describing the Proto as a quiver killer.
I’m riding on the East Coast and hoping to put a lot of time in next season. I want to be able to do tree rides and enjoy powder. Jumps probably more on the trails than in the park. I’m not there yet anyways, but I can’t wait to try this new board.
Your advice was very appreciated. I will have to look for bindings, if you have any recommendations, I’m all ears.
Thanks again!
Maude
Nate says
Hi Maude
You’re very welcome, and thanks for the follow up.
In terms of bindings, I would check out the following links:
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
>>Top Women’s Freeride Bindings
Anything from there would work with the Twin Sister, IMO. Just note that if you go for Burton bindings to get the “Re:flex” model as the “EST” model will only mount to Burton boards.
Hope this gives you some options
Janelle says
Hi Nate,
I live in Australia and ride a lot of varying snow conditions here. I love riding powder and trees mostly but also love just riding the whole mountain.
I’ve been riding about 20 odd years and consider myself an intermediate rider as I don’t do a lot of jumps or tricks. I like jumping of small natural jumps though. I don’t mind steepish terrain but find that I am not confident in my board with holding the edge when the snow is a bit firmer.
I currently ride a 2008 143cm Burton Feelgood V-Rocker. I am about 154cm tall and weigh roughly 130-132 pounds. My shoe size is about 22.5 US5 UK3.
I have never been happy with the Feelgood V-Rocker as I had always risen Camber in the past. I’ve just been too lazy and stuck with it but I feel that it holds me back.
What would you suggest in terms or board type and size?
Many thanks.
Janelle
Nate says
Hi Janelle
Thanks for your message.
The Feelgood V Rocker isn’t known to be very good in hard/icy conditions, so I’m not too surprised there.
So, something like the Jones Dream Catcher or Jones Mountain Twin would be a step up in harder conditions (IMO) or the Rossi Frenemy would be better again. Another option is the YES Hel Yes, which is very good in hard/icy conditions. These would also work well in powder. Going for something hybrid camber (camber between/under the feet and rocker towards tip and tail) would be a good way to go for you, IMO. You get the benefits of camber, but a bit more in terms of float in powder compared to a fully cambered board.
Another good option (which is a little different in that it’s camber to to tip and tail and rocker between the feet) would be the Never Summer Aura.
In terms of size, I’d say something around 144 would be a good size for you, give or take. So for the boards mentioned, I would say:
~ Jones Mountain 143
~ Jones Dream Catcher 148 (only because that’s the shortest size they do that board in (though the 2019 model will have shorter sizes). This is also a board that you can ride a little longer, but 148 might be a little too long. I believe they are going to be doing a 145 (but can’t confirm as I don’t have my catalog in front of me at the moment) for the 2019 model, which would be a good size for this board for you
~ Rossignol Frenemy 144
~ YES Hel Yes 146 (this is the shortest size it comes in)
~ Never Summer Aura 143 (one plus of this option for you, is that it’s the narrowest and would suit your foot size the most)
Hope this helps and gives you some options
Janelle says
Thanks so much for getting back to me. Your reply gave me some great options and pretty much confirmed what I thought about the V-Rocker Feelgood. I’m glad it’s just not me.
Thanks again!!
Nate says
You’re very welcome Janelle.
Let me know what you go with in the end.
Janelle says
By the Jones Mountain, are you meaning the Twin Sister?
I think I might be tossing up between that and the Rossi. The Hell Yes sounds great but I am thinking it may be a bit long for me (although I used to ride a Salomon back in the early 2000’s that was a 146. Not sure I want to go back there or not.)
Oooh tough decisions
Thanks Nate
Nate says
Hi Janelle
Ooops, yes I meant Twin Sister! I always mix up Mountain Twin and Twin Sister (Mountain Twin being the equivalent men’s board).
Janelle says
Hi Nate,
I bit the bullet today and purchased a 2019 145cm Dream Catcher. My only hope is that I should not have got the 142cm, given my height. I know that weight plays a big part in choosing the correct size as well.
Thanks so much for the advice.
Nate says
Hi Janelle
Exciting!
The 142 Dream Catcher would be ok for you, but I think the 145 is the best size for you. The Dream Catcher has a relatively small effective edge compared to overall length, so it’s more like riding a 143 for a lot of other boards anyway. E.g. Aura 143 has 110cm effective edge and Frenemy 144 has 108 effective edge. And the effective edge is what you are going to feel whilst riding – it’s only in powder that the extra length will count (which is where extra length is good anyway).
If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to get it on snow
Janelle says
Will let you know for sure!
I’m now thinking of bindings. I currently have an old pair of Burton Escapades.
What would you suggest?
Thanks again
Nate says
Hi Janelle
If your escapades are still in good condition, then they should work fine with those boards mentioned. But if you are looking to replace them, then something from one of the following lists would be a good bet, IMO, for those boards.
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
>>Top Women’s Freeride Bindings
Hope this gives you some options
Janelle says
Hi Nate,
You’re a champ. I’ll take a look. Thanks for all of your articles and reviews. They’re great.
Thanks
Nate says
You’re very welcome Janelle!
Sam says
Thanks Nate! I am 5 2, 120lbs. I was looking at getting around a 148-149 but not sure if that would be too big.
Nate says
Hi Sam
I would say 146 would be the best size for the Yes Hel Yes – and the 148 for the Dream Catcher – the 148 is the shortest dream catcher, but also it’s a board you can go a little longer for. The effective edge on the 148 Dream Catcher is very similar to that on the 146 Hel Yes. Both have a longer effective edge than your current B Nice 145.
You could also go shorter (not for those boards as those are the shortest size, but in general) for your specs if you wanted, but if you felt like you wanted a bit more length, those sizes would work well in my opinion. And if you’re used to the 145 B Nice, I think those sizes would work well.
Note that the Dream Catcher is going to come in smaller sizes for the 2019 model when that comes out.
Hope this helps
Sam says
Hi Nate,
Thanks for your reviews they have been really helpful in my research! I have been riding my 145 Gnu B-nice for 8 seasons now and am looking to upgrade. I live in Colorado and typically see all sorts of conditions (minus extreme ice since leaving the east coast). I would say I am advanced level, and typically do all-mountain and freeride with a lot of trees. Id like to get more into backcountry but don’t currently do a lot. I have been looking at the Jones Dream Catcher and Yes Hel Yes boards- but am not sure what will be best! Do you have any other recommendations for other boards or think either of these boards would be better?
Thanks!
Sam
Nate says
Hi Sam
Thanks for your message.
For your style/ability, I think you would appreciate either of these boards over your current board. The main difference, I would say, is that The Hel Yes is a little more aggressive than the Dream Catcher – and also the Hel Yes is probably a little better in hard/icy conditions but the Dream Catcher still not bad and since you don’t see those conditions often, not a big thing.
The other thing to think about is the size. I would be happy to give my opinion on size (would just need your height & weight as I already have an idea of your ability and style).
Hope this helps
Tanya says
Hi Nate! I’m an upper intermediate snowboarder trying to find my new perfect board. I’ve read a lot of reviews and now choosing between Jones Twin sister and Gnu Ladies choice. I know that these boards are both for all-mountain riding but have some differences. I ride on and off piste, like to have some fresh snow in trees and natural terrain. My current snowboard is really soft so I can’t go with speed, it’s sad.
I like that Gnu Ladies choice is asymmetric and playful and in some reviews it’s said to be nice in deep snow to. As about Twin sister, characteristics of that snowboard are really good and it’s freeride friendly but I’m afraid that it could be tough and stiff.
So I need advice what to choose and in what sizes. I’m 5.2”, 99 lbs, foot 6.5.
Would like to add that I’m not a park rider at all but like to do ollies and nollies, want to learn 180 🙂
Also it will be cool if you tell your opinion about cambers of these boards.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Cheers,
Tanya
Nate says
Hi Tanya
Thanks for your message.
The Twin Sister is what I would call an all-mountain board and is something that is leaning more towards freeride. The Ladies Choice is all-mountain-freestyle – and is leaning more towards freestyle riding – but freestyle riding over the whole mountain. It’s something you can definitely take off the groomers and ride in powder, but not as good (IMO) at that side of things as the Twin Sister. But overall, I think all-mountain-freestyle sounds like a good match for you.
In terms of flex, the Twin Sister is a little stiffer than the Ladies Choice but not by a huge amount (in my experience with the men’s equivalent models – the GNU Rider’s Choice and Jones Mountain Twin). I would say Ladies Choice squarely a 5/10 in terms of flex – right in the middle and the Twin Sister more like 6/10 or maybe pushing 6.5/10.
In terms of size, I would say the 142.5 for the GNU Ladies Choice. For the Twin Sister, the 139. You could go a little smaller on the Ladies Choice too, except that the 142.5 is the smallest size it comes in. The 139 Twin Sister is a little wider than the 142.5 Ladies Choice, so you go a little shorter but also a little wider with that option.
In terms of camber, the Twin Sister is Hybrid Camber (camber between and under the feet in the Twin Sister’s case and then rocker towards tip and tail) and, like most hybrid cambers, has a very stable feel. Not to the point of feeling too locked-in, but not loose/surfy feeling at all. The Ladies Choice isn’t super loose by any means, but it’s what I would say is on the looser side of stable, certainly slightly looser feeling that the Twin Sister. So, overall, being slightly softer and slightly looser, it has a more playful feel overall. It’s Hybrid Rocker (so rocker between the feet and camber to tip and tail).
Hope this gives you more info to go off for your decision.
Tanya says
Hi Nate
Thanks a lot for your answer, its very helpful! And finaly I’ve chosen GNU LC 🙂
I’d like to ask about the size one more time. A seller in my local shop suggested to buy 145.5. Do you think it will be big and difficult to manage? Not easy to decide for me. Currently i ride 143 mellow-camber board.
I also would be very grateful for suggestions about any bindings which are suitable for LC.
Thank you again.
Hope to hear from you soon
Nate says
Hi Tanya
100% the 142.5, in my opinion. For your specs, this board and how you like to ride, the 145.5 would be too long for you, IMO. Very surprised the local shop suggested 145.5 – is it the only size they have left in stock?
Tanya says
Actually yes, it was their last size in stock 🙁
Nate says
Hi Tanya
If I was you I would try to find the 142.5 online or wait until next season’s stock. The only reason I can’t think that they would suggest the 145.5 to you would be that they were trying to sell their only size left. But, IMO, it’s worth waiting or doing some extra research to get the 142.5, or look at getting a different board.
Did I answer your question about bindings? Don’t think I did. Something from the following list would do a great job, IMO.
>>Top Women’s All-Mountain Bindings
Or the Burton Scribe or Union Milan as well.
NOTE: If you go with anything Burton just make sure to get the “Re:Flex” version as opposed to the “EST” version as the “EST” version will only fit on Burton boards, whereas the Re:Flex will fit on all boards.
Hope this helps
Tanya says
Hi Nate! Thank you so much for your help 🙂
Nate says
You’re very welcome Tanya. Thanks for using the website. If you think of it at the time, I would be interested to hear what you end up going for.
Elena Rossi says
Hi Nate! I’ve been boarding for 15 years and I’d never stop, but this year I’ve turned 61 and I start to tire more easily. I ride a Feelgood Camber that is almost as old as me, so it’s time to buy a new board. I like carving (forward and switch) and powder, I never ride the park but I can perform some easy flat tricks. In North Italy, where I live, the temperatures are pretty warm in winter due to the climate change, so we usually have hard snow in the morning and wet snow in the afternoon, with powder from time to time. I’ve found an Italian on-line shop that offers last year’s Salomon Wonder at a very good price: do you think it would be a good choice for me? It’s flexier than the Feelgood, which should help me in my old age, but according to the specs it still has a good hedge hold and carves very well.
I appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks!!
Nate says
Hi Elena
Thanks for your message.
I think the Salomon Wonder would be a good option. It has a more forgiving camber profile than the Feelgood, and will likely feel softer/more forgiving overall – and should be fine riding switch too. Whilst not what I’d call a ultra powder board, it should be better than the Feelgood camber in powder.
Size is another important consideration. If you’re not sure about sizing, I would be happy to give my opinion (would just need height, weight and boot size) – but if you know your size and it’s a good deal, I think this board would be suitable for you, IMO.
Hope this helps
Elena Rossi says
Hi Nate, thank you, you’ve been very helpful!
I’d read many reviews and technical specs and I was almost sure that the Salomon Wonder could be a good choice for me, but now I’ve no more doubts and I can get a good deal too. The Feelgod was and is soooo expensive! I know that the Wonder is far from the best in powder, but I don’t care because we never get deep powder, it’s too warm in winter.
As regards sizing, when I bought the Feelgood the general opinion (at least in Italy) was that if you weren’t a beginner your board should be almost your size, so it’s a 149. I’m 152, my weight is 46 Kg an my boot size (USA) is 6. Now everybody is telling me that my board is too long, I think it’s right. The choice (boards on sale) is between 139 and 143, I’d go for the 139, what do you think?
Thanks again! Elena
Nate says
Hi Elena
I agree that 149 is too long. Weight is the most important factor for length sizing these days (as well as height, ability and style of riding).
Ordinarily I would say 139 for sure, for you. But since you’re used to a 149, it’s a big difference going 10cm shorter. So the 143cm is an option. It’s a tough choice. I would say the biggest pros and cons for each size:
~ The 139 would be more agile at slower speeds, better for freestyle stuff, better in the trees and the most appropriate for your height/weight
~ The 143 would be more stable at speed, have better float in powder and would be an easier transition from the 149
I think the 139 is the best bet, but it will take some getting used to. If you want an easier transition, then the 143 is an option.
Hope this helps with your decision
Elena Rossi says
Hi Nate,
you’ve put everything into focus! I’ve got a good skiing background, my first board was a hard one and I liked speed very much, but now I’m going slower, I’m afraid of hurting myself badly if I fall. That’s why last winter I started to do new things, like riding switch, flat tricks, etc. I’m happy and I want to get on with it, so my choice is the 139, definitively. I’ll let you know how it goes.
Many thanks again!!
Elena
Nate says
You’re very welcome Elena.
Look forward to hearing how you go with your new board!
Melissa says
Hi Nate,
Firstly, I wanted to thank you so much for your recommendation of the Rossignol Frenemy 147 around this time last year. Since my purchase, I have ridden about 22 days over 2 seasons (more than I expected), and the board helped me enormously to gain so much more confidence in my riding, and increased my skills from about Intermediate Level 4 to about Advanced Level 6 (only small jumps, and super basic freestyle). I have loved the board, and bonus that I got so many compliments on how good/unique it looked too! 🙂
I have run into a tiny issue though. While I love it, and it still rides well, I feel it was a tiny bit unstable/chatter at higher speeds for me on my recent Colorado trip. I’m wondering whether this is partly a combination of being beyond the weight range of the board (I’m more 138lbs than the recommended upper limit of 130lbs), and moving up slightly in skill level.
Ever since I read your reviews, I’ve been eyeing the Twin Sister 149 (or Dream Catcher 148/151) for the past few months. A few questions to help me decide:
1) Does it seem strange/wasteful to be buying a new board already? I know women who hold on to their board for years, without any issues or need to upgrade.
2) If looking at the Twin Sister, would there much difference in 2017 vs 2018 models, in terms of ride and/or quality of the board?
3) Would these boards still be good for icy/hard pack conditions, like the Frenemy? My main riding will still be in Australia, with probably another week or two in Japan or Colorado (hoping for powder).
4) Could I keep my Salomon Mirage bindings, or would I need to also upgrade this?
Looking forward to hearing from you Nate!
Many thanks,
Melissa
Nate says
Hi Melissa
Thanks for your message.
Glad to hear that the Frenemy has helped you to progress to this point.
1. I wouldn’t say it’s wasteful. You’re looking to upgrade after progressing. It’s something a lot of riders do – it’s just that it seems you’ve progressed quickly. Some people buy above their level to begin with – so they don’t need to upgrade but it slows progression usually. Also, some people either don’t advance that much or don’t feel the need to upgrade (even though in some cases they might enjoy an upgrade). There are plenty of reasons why you wouldn’t necessarily – but there’s nothing wrong with upgrading to better align your skills. A lot of riders have more than one board anyway (one for the park, one for powders, one for the trees, one as an all-rounder etc.) You could potentially use your Frenemy in the park, if you get into that more – or you could sell it and some else will get a good deal and would be good for them for where they are at.
2. 2017 & 2018 Twin Sister’s are fairly similar. There were a couple of tweaks. One of which was making the 2018 a little stiffer torsionally between the feet but it was a subtle thing (based on the men’s boards that they did the same thing to).
3. The Twin Sister and Dream Catcher (Jones boards in general) are good in hard conditions – but not as good as the Frenemy (IMO) – I would say Frenemy 5/5, Twin Sister & Dream Catcher 4/5. It would be a step up in powder though, IMO.
4. You could still ride your Mirage with the Twin Sister or Dream Catcher, IMO. If you’re happy with them, I wouldn’t change them.
Hope this helps
Melissa says
Hey Nate, thanks for the above. You have me some things to think about. I’ve noticed you’ve mentioned about effective edge when talking about sizing in the responses on this page. The Frenemy 147 and the Twin Sister 149 (assuming this is the best size for US7 feet, 65kg weight and 165cm height) both have an effective edge of 111 centimeters, as well as a rocker-camber-rocker profile. Will it ride too similarly to each other?
Given the similar characteristics, I can’t tell whether the Twin Sister will be more like a board that can replace my Frenemy as the do-it-all snowboard, or different enough to have as a second powder or more freeride board (and Frenemy as the hard-pack/park board)?
Nate says
Hi Melissa
They are relatively similar boards. And will ride similarly. But the Twin Sister will handle speed better. Be more stable at speed. These are what I would consider the main differences.
1. The Twin Sister is a stiffer board
2. The Twin Sister has longer camber sections – the camber on the twin sister goes to just outside the inserts before transitioning to rocker. So there is more of a camber feel, which is good for holding carves, and for stability at speed (in addition to the extra stiffness). It also offers a bit more in terms of pop. On the Frenemy, the camber extends to around halfway through the inserts – so the rocker starts a little earlier. This offers a bit more of a playful feel.
3. The sidecut radius is a little different. The Frenemy favoring a tighter sidecut and the Twin Sister a slightly shallower side cut (which tends to favor smoother longer turns, compared with a tighter radius, which favors shorter/sharper turns). The difference is subtle because the sidecuts aren’t drastically different (6.7 on the 147 Rossi vs 7.2 on the 149 Twin Sister) but will still affect the feel.
So they certainly won’t feel the same, but are still similar boards. Probably not the ideal in terms of a two board quiver. That said, you could certainly still use the Frenemy as your park/hard pack board. But ideally you might want a more park specific board for that. I would certainly say that the Twin Sister is more freeride oriented overall than the Frenemy, and the Frenemy more freestyle oriented, but they’re both all-mountain “do-it-all” boards, IMO – just that the Twin Sister is slightly more on the freeride end of the scale and the Frenemy slightly more on the Freestyle end of the scale, if that makes sense.
If you do go with the Twin Sister, the 149 would be the best size for you, IMO.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision.
Melissa says
Hi Nate, your advice helped enormously! I managed to find a fairly good price for 2018 Jones Twin Sister not long ago, but didn’t pull it out until after a demo day where I got to ride 4 different boards, and the JTS in both 146 and 149. And undoubtedly, the JTS 149 really hits the sweet spot.
I loved it from my first run! It felt really stable and more controlled at speed, was nice in powder, can handle icy conditions and was even decent in both slush and crud (that was all during 7 days of riding). I saw some comments about the Yes Hel Yes and someone I know recently bought it, so I’d love to see how it compares. But I’m never been so pleased with such an expensive purchase! Worth every cent…
Thanks for taking the time to help me in my decision. Cheers Nate! I always recommend your site to all my friends who are considering buying gear.
Nate says
Hi Melissa
Thanks for the update – awesome that you’re loving the Twin Sister! And thanks for the recommendations.
Maggie Jeffries says
Hi Nate!!! I broke my bindings this year and my 2008 Never Summer needs to be replaced so I have to buy gear at end of season in hopes of getting good sale prices. I’ve been boarding since 2008 and bought the Never Summer Infinity and Burton Stiletto bindings. I have never boarded on anything else. I am an intermediate that should probably be an expert but get nervous when I’m at high speeds and feel a bit of loss of control or can’t curve turns fast enough. I have an old board for sure…I am torn between the NS Proto, Aura and Infinity as they all have some appeal to me. Of note, we ski 1-2 times per season for a week each and are usually in Big Sky Montana or somewhere else that typically has great conditions. I need it to be all mountain but can help me get to that expert level so I can drop into some bowls finally!! And any binding suggestions that don’t break the bank would help too!! I’m 5’2″ and 125 with a size 6 shoe so I”m on the small side of things! I appreciated the help!
Nate says
Hi Maggie
Thanks for your message.
The Infinity and Aura are going to be better in powder than the Proto, and since it sounds like you will see a bit of powder, I would go with one of those two for that reason. The Proto would otherwise be suitable, but it’s biggest weakness is powder, IMO.
The Aura is going to be the pick for carving and stability at speed over the Infinity, but you would also need to get used to the extra stiffness. It will be less agile at slower speeds, but more responsive when riding fast. It will be a more aggressive ride. It’s something that I would say is for high-end intermediate and up. The Infinity on the other hand more like high-end beginner to advanced. Considerably softer flexing and more playful because of that and because of it’s camber profile and shape.
I’m not sure what size you’re riding now, but I would say 142 for the Infinity for your specs, and the 143 for the Aura.
In terms of bindings I would say something like the Union Legacy or Flux GX for the Aura would be a good match and are relatively reasonably priced, but not sure how cheap you need. The Flux GS and Union Trilogy are a little cheaper and would be a good match for the Infinity (and would work on the Aura too, but not quite as well, IMO). The Union Milan is a little cheaper again and would work on the Infinity but probably not stiff flexing enough for the Aura. Burton Scribe would also be a good match for the Infinity.
Hope this helps with your decisions
Maggie Jeffries says
Yes this helps a ton!! You re-iterated a lot that the person at our ski shop said but I’m always weary of their advice. He actually recommended the same bindings so that makes it easy for me to decide. Ok so definitely powder happens in Montana (yeah!) so I’m going to think about Aura vs Infinity. I love my current Infinity – but many of the reviews out there just love the Aura for sure. I come from a skiing background so I have a tenancy to want to carve hard turns so I’m leaning towards giving the Aura a try but going to sleep on it. When you say get used to the extra stiffness… would this contribute to more leg fatigue? Or would it be less fatigue since the board does more of the work?
Nate says
Hi Maggie
In terms of leg fatigue it can be a little of both in some ways. Certainly in situations where your riding fast, steep and in powder it can reduce fatigue, but will certainly increase fatigue when riding slower. More effort to maneuver at slower speeds. I would say overall a little more in terms of leg fatigue when you go stiffer, but there are of course a lot of advantages too – and your legs tend to adjust and get used to it.
Jamie says
Hi, Nate! I’m a 5’5″ and 160 lb intermediate rider who currently rides a 2012 K2 Fling 146. I am solidly intermediate in skills, wanting to get to the next level with my biggest issue being keeping my turns locked in. Toe side carve is fine but heel side is tough for me to feel my edge locked in. I don’t do anything in the parks; I am on the groomers in all types of conditions and occasionally shoot into the woods. I love my Fling in its flex, twin shape and ease of turning but I am looking for something that can help with feeling that locked in edge to carve my turns. Any suggestions on a board?
Nate says
Hi Jamie
Thanks for your message.
A couple of things that I think will help, with your next board:
1. Something with camber in it will definitely help you to lock that edge in. The 2012 Fling was flat from what I can see – so getting something with camber will definitely help, IMO
2. I think you can go a little longer in length – on balance, given what you’re currently riding, your specs and your ability, then something around 149, 150 would be a good bet, IMO. But if you can also let me know your boot size, then we can balance your length with the width as well.
3. I think a setback stance would be a good idea. I like to carve more on a setback stance than a centered stance. It doesn’t make a huge difference, but a noticeable difference in my experience – and since you aren’t riding park, then you don’t need to be centered (unless you ride a lot of switch on the groomers, but even then a little bit of a setback stance is still fine). You’ll also get better float in powder.
So, I think the Dream Catcher (151) and Twin Sister (149) would be good options. The Feelgood Flying V (149) too, except that it won’t have as good an edge-hold in hard/icy conditions, IMO. If you don’t see those conditions very often, then that’s also a great option. The Feelgood, being full camber, might be too much in terms of going from flat to full camber, but if you think you would get along with full camber, then that becomes an option too (and a little better edge-hold in hard/icy than the Flying V version, but still prob not as good as the Twin Sister and Dream Catcher).
Never Summer Infinity might be a little too soft, since the Fling sounds like it’s relatively stiff – and going too much softer probably isn’t a good idea, especially since you’re not going to be riding freestyle. Too soft and it can be tough to lock in your carves.
Another option is Salomon Wonder.
If you wanted to keep to a centered twin, but still add in some camber and a more all-mountain orientation compared to the Fling, then you could also check out:
>>My Top 5 Women’s All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboards
And if you were to do that, then perhaps something with an asym side-cut (Never Summer Proto Type Two) would be a good idea, to help with the heel edge. Another nice Asym option is the GNU Ladies Choice.
Hope this helps
Jamie says
Hi, Nate! Thanks so much! Your feedback helps me a lot. Hard pack and icy conditions are routinely in my mix so I need a board that will handle that. My boot size is a 7. And you are correct that the 2012 K2 Fling is a flat base. If any of that impacts your recommendations, I would love to hear what you think. Otherwise, I am going to look into the boards you suggested and get ready to do some shopping! Thanks, again!
Nate says
Hi Jamie
Everything I mentioned except for the Feelgood, should be fine for hard/icy conditions. If there’s anything you’re looking at that I didn’t mention, let me know what it is and I can give you my opinion as to it’s suitability for those conditions.
For your boot size, the width should be fine on the options I mentioned, if you stick to around a 149, 150 in terms of length. But I wouldn’t go too much longer than that as most boards in that length are on the wider side for your boot size (IMHO) so if you go too long and couple that with too wide, then overall I think that would be too big – so stick to 149, 150 and then anything around 240mm at the waist, should be a good balance. The Dream Catcher in the 151 is fine as it’s the kind of board that rides a little shorter than it’s size suggests.
Hope this helps and happy shopping!
Audrey says
Hi Nate,
I’m a 5”6 & 120 lb beginner. I am looking at a used never summer infinity 147 cm board with flow minx bindings. I live in WA/OR. Is this board too advanced for me?
Thanks!
Audrey
Nate says
Hi Audrey
Thanks for your message.
I would say that the Infinity is an ok choice as a beginners board – not ideal. I would say high-end beginner/intermediate level, but doable for a beginner. However, the size isn’t ideal, IMO. I would say something around 147cm would be a good size for you as a more advanced rider – but as a beginner it’s a good idea to go a little shorter – 3-5cm shorter as a rule of thumb.
So, whilst it’s not far off, the combination of the length and not quite being a beginner’s board makes it not ideal, IMO. I think if it was the 145 or 142, then I’d say you’d get away with it, but might be just a step too far, IMO. I think the Minx would be fine as beginner bindings.
Hope this helps
Betty says
Hi Nate!
Thanks for posting this. I am a seasoned boarder of about 20 years. I’m currently on an arbor 150, but it’s a little slow for me. I’m looking to size up and am trying to decide between the Rossi Myth 154 and the Rossi Fenemy 153. The conditions I’m in vary from choppy, to icy, with some power and the occasional trek through the trees. I’ve read the Myth is geared more toward a short term intermediate board and can be a little slow, but was wondering your thoughts.
I’m not sure I would call myself advanced as I left my park days behind, but I’m not a beginner by any means. I occasionally ride switch so I’m a little hesitant with the directionality of the Frenemy.
The camber sounds more aggressive on the Frenemy, which seems better for speed, but with the Myth being a tinge longer I wasn’t sure if that would make up for it at all. I also really like the idea of the magnatraction for icy conditions on the Frenemy, but the Myth reviews says it does pretty good there too.
I appreciate any input you may have.
Thanks!
Nate says
Hi Betty
Thanks for your message.
If you’re looking for speed, then I wouldn’t go with the Myth if I was you. It’s more of a beginner board and more of a freestyle oriented board. Also, in terms of stability at speed, it’s likely to get a bit squirelly (lots of rocker and quite soft flexing) – even in the longer length. Length definitely helps with speed and stability at speed – but it can only do so much – and if you go too long you start to loose agility as well.
The Frenemy would be your better choice out of those two. It’s stiffer flexing, has more camber and has a sintered base (extruded base on the Myth).
IMO the Frenemy would be much better at speed.
Also, in terms of switch, I’ve probably given it a bit of a harsh rating on this post – it’s not going to be too difficult to ride switch, especially if you’re adept at it. The switch riding ability of the Myth wouldn’t be enough, IMO, to make it more appealing than the Frenemy, if speed is a big thing for you.
Which Arbor board are you on currently? You don’t necessarily need to go longer to get better speed – it helps, but if you have a board that’s more suitable for speed, you’ll notice a big difference, even without sizing up. If you’re Arbor is something not suited to speed, that could be part of the problem, not just size. Just wouldn’t want you to go too long, if you didn’t have to.
Hope this helps
Christine says
Jones Twin Sister is not a durable board. I am a cautious intermediate to advanced rider…cautious because of a neck injury. After riding my new board for less than 8 hours without an incident, I found that it had a small topsheet crack. Jones customer service was horrific. It took them 5 weeks to respond, and their response didn’t provide any helpful advice. Just thought I’d share this experience as I’ve noticed others commenting about topsheet cracks on their Jones boards.
I totally agree with you on NeverSummer boards….the BEST ever.
Also, the Niche Sonnet could use some more attention. A fun and durable board that I think many boarders would love.
Nate says
Hi Christine
Thanks for your input and sharing your experience.
Durability is something that I don’t comment on as I typically don’t demo gear for long enough to judge.
I would consider the Sonnet an all-mountain-freestyle board but yeah Niche definitely make some nice decks.