Hello and welcome to my top 10 best all mountain snowboard boots for men for the 2020-21 season.
This top 10 will outline what I consider the best all mountain boots currently on the market and will cover a number of different factors that contribute to making a great all mountain boot.
Ratings & Comparisons
As always on SnowboardingProfiles.com the boots are given a rating out of 100 based on my scoring system. This is not an exact science (especially with boots as personal fit is so important) but will provide a way to give you a quick look at the performance of each boot.
Of the 37 all-mountain boots that I rated:
Note: Only boots with a flex feel of 6 or 7 were considered for this category.
O.k. let’s get into the top 10!
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOOT #10
Boot: Burton Imperial
- CANADA
- UK/EUROPE
Lacing System: Speed Lacing
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Rating: 85.3/100
Starting the list at #10, we have Burton's Imperial boots.
The Imperials have been a staple in Burton's line for a while now, and no surprise there, given the quality across the range of factors. Great option for those that are looking for something low profile to get on a narrower board too.
Check out the video for more on the Imperial
Score Breakdown for the Imperial
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 20/25 |
HEEL HOLD | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.0 | 12/15 |
COMFORT | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
TRACTION | 4.0 | 8/10 |
REDUCED FOOTPRINT | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 85.3/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOOT #9
Boot: Ride Deadbolt
- CANADA
Lacing System: Double Boa with power strap
Flex: Medium-Stiff (7/10)
Rating: 85.9/100
At #9 we have the Ride Deadbolt.
With great heel hold, the simplicity of Boa and basically great performance across every function, the Deadbolt are a great option for those looking for something just that little bit stiffer than medium.
Check out the video for more on the Deadbolt
Score Breakdown for the Deadbolt
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 20/25 |
HEEL HOLD | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.0 | 12/15 |
COMFORT | 4.0 | 12/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
TRACTION | 4.0 | 8/10 |
REDUCED FOOTPRINT | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 85.9/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOOT #8
Boot: Thirty Two TM-Three
- CANADA
Lacing System: Traditional Lace
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Rating: 87.0/100
The TM-Three features 32s Elite Liner for great comfort and support.
But that's not all that's going for the TM-3. They have really good response, great adjustability (including a heel hold kit to ensure great heel hold) and are overall a quality feeling boot.
Check out the video for more on the TM-3
Score Breakdown for the TM-3
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 20/25 |
HEEL HOLD | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
COMFORT | 4.0 | 12/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.0 | 12/15 |
TRACTION | 3.5 | 7/10 |
REDUCED FOOTPRINT | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 87.0/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOOT #7
Boot: K2 Ender
- CANADA
Lacing System: Traditional Lacing with internal boa
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Rating: 87.0/100
At #7 we have the K2 Ender.
Apart from being super comfortable (depending on fit of course) and having awesome heel hold, the Ender Feature an internal Boa which harnesses the liner. This has 2 great benefits - it really helps with that heel hold but is also super convenient to re-tighten your liner without having to open the outer boot.
Check out the video for more on the Ender
Score Breakdown for the Ender
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 3.5 | 17.5/25 |
HEEL HOLD | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
COMFORT | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.0 | 12/15 |
TRACTION | 4.0 | 8/10 |
REDUCED FOOTPRINT | 2.0 | 2/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 87.0/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOOT #6
Boot: Adidas Response 3MC ADV
- CANADA
- UK/EUROPE
Lacing System: Double Boa
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Rating: 87.0/100
In at #6 on this list are the Adidas Response 3MC ADVs.
The Response 3MC ADV, are Adidas' mid flexing BOA boots – perfect for doing a bit-of-everything with.
They have really good response (as you might expect from the name!), great heel hold and all-round have no weaknesses – and of course they have Adidas’ renowned reduced outer-sole – so they’re a great choice for anyone with longer feet, looking to get on a narrower waist width board. Adidas boots are also known to be good for those with wide feet.
These are also the lowest priced boots on this list – and come in a good bit under the average price for this category of boot.
Check out the Video Below for more on the Response
Score Breakdown for the Response
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 20/25 |
HEEL HOLD | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.0 | 12/15 |
COMFORT | 4.0 | 12/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.0 | 12/15 |
TRACTION | 3.5 | 7/10 |
REDUCED FOOTPRINT | 5.0 | 5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 87.0/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOOT #5
Boot: Salomon Dialogue Focus Boa
- CANADA
- UK/EUROPE
Lacing System: Double Boa
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Rating: 87.0/100
The Salomon Dialogue Focus Boa comes in at #8.
The Dialogue are great for anyone who needs great heel hold and wants their boots to be super comfortable (obviously depending on fit), and want plenty of shock absorption.
Especially good for those with narrower feet.
Check out the video for more on the Dialogue Focus Boa
Score Breakdown for the Dialogue Focus Boa
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 20/25 |
HEEL HOLD | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
COMFORT | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
TRACTION | 3.5 | 7/10 |
REDUCED FOOTPRINT | 3.5 | 3.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 87.0/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOOT #4
Boot: Burton Ion Boa
- CANADA
- UK/EUROPE
Lacing System: Double Boa
Flex: Medium-Stiff (7/10)
Rating: 88.6/100
The speed lacing versions have been around a long time, but I was glad to see they put out a Boa version for these a few seasons back, as I prefer it over the speed lacing, even if it does add another $50 to an already pricey pair of boots.
To be picky if there were anywhere that could use slight improvement it would be the shock absorption. If you’re also riding Burton bindings then this shouldn’t be an issue, as their bindings have some of the best shock absorption in the industry.
You pay for these, the most expensive on this list, but you get back performance – not for the small budget but for comfort and performance they’re an awesome boot, if you’ve got the means for them.
Check out the video for more on the Ion BOAs
Score Breakdown for the Ion Boas
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 20/25 |
HEEL HOLD | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.0 | 12/15 |
COMFORT | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 3.5 | 10.5/15 |
TRACTION | 4.0 | 8/10 |
REDUCED FOOTPRINT | 4.0 | 4/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 88.6/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOOT #3
Boot: Vans Infuse
- CANADA
- UK/EUROPE
Lacing System: Traditional Lacing with Internal Boa
Flex: Medium-Stiff (7/10) - but can be 6/10 or 8/10 depending on whether you have the tongue stiffeners in or out.
Rating: 90.8/100
In at #3 we have the Vans Infuse.
One unique thing about these boots is that they have removable tongue stiffeners – so you can really vary the flex feel that you get. There are 2 removable stiffeners – so you can have both in, both out or one or the other in. So, even though I rate these as 7/10 flex, I would say they are more like a range of 6 to 8. So you can make them a bit stiffer or a bit softer with those tongue stiffeners.
Also, they have a mixed lacing system which is predominantly traditional lace but also has a Boa in there. The Boa works on a harness around the ankle section of the tongue (on the outside of the boot, rather than around the liner - there's a separate liner harness), that cranks down on your ankle to keep your heel in place. So, you get the great adjustability of traditional lace with the great heel hold of Boa.
On top of all that, these are very comfortable and responsive boots.
Check out the video for more about the Infuse
Score Breakdown for the Infuse
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 20/25 |
HEEL HOLD | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
COMFORT | 4.0 | 12/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.0 | 12/15 |
TRACTION | 4.0 | 8/10 |
REDUCED FOOTPRINT | 4.5 | 4.5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 90.8/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOOT #2
Boot: Thirty Two 3XD
- CANADA
- UK/EUROPE
Lacing System: Traditional Lacing
Flex: Medium-Stiff (6.5/10)
Rating: 92.4/100
The 32 3XD were new in Thirty Two's line for the 2019-20 season (under the name "Mullair" and continue on for the 2020-21 season. And they are a mean pair of boots.
Responsive, comfortable and with all the adjustability you'll ever need (including a heel hold kit and arch support kit). If you're OK with heavier boots (these are the heaviest I've weighed) and traditional lacing, these are one of the best you can get in that mid to mid-stiff flex range.
Check out the video for more on the 3XD
Score Breakdown for the 3XD
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 20/25 |
HEEL HOLD | 5.0 | 15/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 5.0 | 15/15 |
COMFORT | 4.0 | 12/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 4.0 | 12/15 |
TRACTION | 4.0 | 8/10 |
REDUCED FOOTPRINT | 3.0 | 3/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 92.4/100 |
ALL-MOUNTAIN BOOT #1
Boot: Adidas Tactical ADV
- CANADA
Lacing System: Traditional Lacing
Flex: Medium (6/10)
Rating: 93.5/100
And in at #1, we have the Tactical ADV.
For anyone looking for the ultimate in reduced footprint – great for anyone with bigger feet that want to fit on narrower boards – the Tactical ADVs are a great option. They're also great for those with wider feet.
But that’s certainly not the only reason these boots are here. They are also responsive, comfortable and one of the the best you’ll find at absorbing shock – thanks in a large part to the "boost" tech that’s used in the boots.
There is also a Tactical Lexicon ADV version which has a more plush liner.
Check out the Video Below for More About the Tactical ADVs
Score Breakdown for the Tactical ADV
RATING | SCORE WEIGHTING | |
|---|---|---|
RESPONSE | 4.0 | 20/25 |
HEEL HOLD | 4.0 | 12/15 |
ADJUSTABILITY | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
COMFORT | 4.5 | 13.5/15 |
SHOCK ABSORPTION | 5.0 | 15/15 |
TRACTION | 3.5 | 7/10 |
REDUCED FOOTPRINT | 5.0 | 5/5 |
TOTAL after normalizing | 93.5/100 |
Over to You…
There you have my top 10 all-mountain snowboard boots for the 2020/21 season.
Check out the links under each boot to see more details and to research prices and availability.
Notes
This list is made up of boots that have a 6/10 or 7/10 flex – which are typically used for do-it-all, all-mountain riding. However, some predominantly freestyle riders like a stiffer boot and some freeriders like something a little softer, so they can really be used by almost anyone (except probably a bit stiff for beginners).
This list could easily be a top 15 and still have quality boot options in it – such is the nature of boots that have around that 6/10 or 7/10 flex (hence the high average price and high average score [see top of post]).
There are other great offerings in this category that haven’t quite made it in. If you’re looking for a boot in this category and you’ve found something that looks good but it’s not on this list, let me know what they are in the comments below and I can give you my opinion on them.
Hey Nate,
Have you ridden the Ride Fuse boots at all? I have seen a couple reviews where people say they have a reduced foot print. TJ from board archive even said in a comment that they are lower profile than his previous addidas tactical advs but he did go down a size with the fuse. Low profile isn’t necessary for me when I where size 8 snowboard boot. Just curious on your thoughts? I’ve noticed Ride and Salomon boots are saying more things about their reduced foot print boots. Seems to be the trend across the board for the most part.
Hi Colton
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the Fuse, but my experience with Ride boots in general is that they tend to be just that little bit lower profile than the average boot, but not one of the lowest profile. Certainly not as low profile as the Tactical ADVs that I’ve measured. But different boots within a brand can definitely differ in terms of their low-profile-ness (that’s a word, I swear!). Typically boot within a brand will be within a range and not differ hugely, but there is usually variance between models. E.g. Ride boots that I’ve measured have ranged between 2.3cm over mondo (2.3cm longer on the outersole than the mondo of the boot) and 3.2cm. Adidas between 1.7cm and 2.7cm.
So Fuse could be lower profile than the average Ride boot, but I’d still be surprised if they were as low profile as the Tactical ADV. But if they’re half a size down, then that could certainly account for it.
Between the Salomon dialogue dual boa and the burton photon boa , which boot would you pick and why ?
Hi Mike
Thanks for your message.
Personally I would go Dialogue Dual Boa, mostly because they fit my foot slightly better, were slightly more comfortable and had a little more shock absorption. Also, they’re a little softer and I really like that 6/10 flex, just slightly more than 7/10 flex, just for the style I ride and the feel I like (for all-mountain riding – I’d go stiffer if I was riding a stiffer board/binding setup and wanted to bomb).
Some things to note, as everyone’s feet are different. The Dialogue Boa are quite narrow boots. I have average width feet and I found them comfortable, so you don’t necessarily have to have narrow feet for them to fit well, but if you have wider than average feet they may feel too narrow. The Photon Boa aren’t super wide, but what I’d call mid-wide – good for feet that are wider than average but not super wide.
Also, in terms of the BOA system, there is more overlap in the 2 boas on the Dialogue Boa, which really helps with heel hold, but if you want true independence of upper and lower sections, there is some overlap there. I like having that extra heel hold. My ankles/heels aren’t super narrow or anything, but I’d say maybe just below average thickness, so I like to have a little extra help with heel hold. If you don’t tend to have issues with heel hold, you might appreciate the extra upper/lower adjustability of the Photon Boa.
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate , that’s super helpful . I ended up being able to try both and went with the dialogue boa based off what you said and that the dialogue boa seemed to fit my foot better . The photons felt a bit too wide for me even though I feel like I have an average foot . The Salomon boots also honestly just felt more premium and seemed to be made of better material which was weird to me as the photons are regularily $50 more . Guess we’ll just have to wait and see how the quality of dialogues holds up and if it’s as good as it looks/feels. Ps keep up the great work !
You’re very welcome Mike. Great that you were able to try them on – there’s no substitute for trying on when it comes to boots. Hope they treat you well! If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on with them.
Do you feel that the Adidas response boots run true to size or if they run bigger or smaller? I usually wear a size 10 or 10.5 for most shoes.
Hi Aibhne
I find they run bigger. I typically ride a 10 for snowboard boots but the 9.5 for the Adidas Response (and any Adidas boots). For some brands I need a 10.5. So my best guess would be 9.5 for you. No guarantees, but that would be my guess based on my experience.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I love your website and have to say you’ve helped me immensely when researching snowboarding gear. I’m on the hunt for new boots, as my current ThirtyTwo Lashed XFT are on the way out. They are size 10 and they fit snug, however I’ve discovered that my feet swell after 1/2 day riding and this causes my left foot little toe to jam up against the side of the toe box and pain sets in. My left foot (front foot when snowboarding) is bordering on being 2E width and so knowing all this, I’m looking at the Adidas Lexicon. I’ve heard Adidas boots are pretty wide and have the biggest toe box. My question for you is around sizing, as it seems likely that I’ll have to buy online given how scarce they are to find, and I’m hearing rumours that next season they won’t be selling into Canada. Let’s say I’m a 10 (or perhaps I should be a 10.5) in ThirtyTwo boots, what size would you recommend for Adidas Lexicon?
For reference I typically take a 11 2E in New Balance runners and I’m 6’2″ 95kg, riding a Never Summer West 162cm with Cartels. I’m based in Vancouver so ride anything from the slush and ice at Cypress, to powder at Whistler and in the BC interior.
Thanks and keep the reviews coming!
Chris
Hi Chris
Thanks for your message.
I would say that probably 9.5 in Adidas boots. I find that I’m 10 to 10.5 in Thirty Two boots. I’m quite snug in the 10s, but they’re doable. And I’m a 9.5 in Adidas boots for sure. I’m 10 for most boots. But the only thing is that I’m a 10 in shoes, so the 11 in your runners throws me off a little bit. Not taking into account your runner size, I would say 9.5. But with taking that into account, you very well could be a 10. But if you’re 10-10.5 in 32, then typically I would say 9.5 in Adidas. Also note that I have regular width feet.
Hope this helps
Nate! Need your expert advice again my friend. I pulled the trigger on a Rossi Templar 159W and Union Force (L) bindings. Looking for that sweet all mountain medium flex boot to complete the package. Size 12 (maybe 11.5?) definitely not a narrow foot. Past beginner into intermediate rider, but not too intermediate… yet 🙂 East coast terrain. BOA preferred. Leaning towards Thirty Two TM-2. Thoughts, suggestions? TIA!
Hans
Hi Hans
I think the Thirty Two TM-Two could work. Depending on how wide your foot is. If it’s particularly wide, you might want to go for a wider boot, but I do find 32’s to be mid-wide. I would say the TM-2’s are about a 7/10 flex, so a little bit stiffer than the rest of your setup, IMO, but if anything’s going to be stiffer then it’s OK if the boots, IMO. However, the only thing would be your level if you are low level intermediate, then something a little softer might be worth looking at.
I would also check out the following:
>>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots
Even though it’s titled “freestyle” there are some good 5/10 flex boots in there that don’t have to be used for freestyle riding. But 6/10 flex would definitely be fine too. 7/10 doable for the setup and doable for your level, but maybe not ideal.
I think the Adidas Response ADV would be a really good match to what you’re describing, if you have quite wide feet and are preferably looking for BOA. Or the Burton Swath BOA (mid-wide) from the other link from above. Or not on these lists the Burton Ruler BOA (if you wanted something at a friendlier price than the Swath Boa).
Thanks Nate, I appreciate the feedback and swift response. Not vibing the Addidas or Burtons too much. If I were to go with Thirty-twos, are there any you’d recommend over or in addition to the TM-2s that would be good in my range? I may not be giving myself enough credit, I can ride pretty aggressively down blues, just a lot I want to work on next season as far as riding switch and trying more freestyle riding. Thanks!
Hi Hans
In terms of double boa, the Lashed Double Boa would be a good match from 32. I prefer the TM-2 personally, but the Lashed are a little softer flexing. Sounds like you’d be fine in the TM-2s for general riding – just maybe on the stiffer side for working on freestyle riding, is the only thing. There’s the STW Double Boa, which would be great for freestyle progression if you’re just starting out there. But they’re probably too soft for your other riding. So I’d probably be looking at either Lashed Double BOA or TM-2 Double BOA, depending on how easy you want your freestyle riding to be.
If you were open to going non-BOA, then the TM-3 (though pricey depending on what your budget is) would be the perfect balance of everything, IMO.
I have an old burton 165w Mayhem.. I am mostly a black diamond groomer and trees guy. Rarely will I go in the park, like raaaare. My old boots are DC’s that are a good 15 years old and have basically disintegrated. I was looking at the imperial and, salomon dialogues.. But open to anything.. Size twelve.
Should I stick to laces or try this new fangled BOA stuff
Hi Adam
It depends on personal preference, but I find the biggest pro to laces is that they tend to stay tight longer (particularly if you use the hockey skate tying technique).
BOAs are easier and faster to deal with – and tidier to work with. And in some cases depending on your strength, you can crank them down tighter. BOA often, but not always, provides better heel hold (when there are two BOAs, then it’s typically better). But I find that BOAs need to be re-tightened more through a day – and when the outerboot loosens a bit so does the liner, so you gotta re-tighten both usually, I find. It’s a small deal – and personally even with laces I like to re-tighten (liner and outerboot) at least once during a day anyway, but I just find it’s needed more often with BOA.
Hope this helps
Hi Adam
Thanks for your message.
Yeah both those boots would work with the Mayhem, I’d say. It’s not a board I’ve ridden but based on specs, those boots would be a good match, IMO.
hey nate, how would you compare the burton imperials(my current boot) to the photons. i want an all mountain boot that can charge hard if i want to. my imperials are getting worn out a little. so my next decision is whether or not to go to the burton step ons. with the step ons limited boot options, its either the ions or the photons. and im guessing my current boots would fall right in between the 2 in stiffness. the photons are more money than the imperials which i dont understand why. and ive always been eyeing the ions. any help would be great thanks. size 10.5 if that matters
Hi Philip
Thanks for your message.
The Photon is quite a similar boot to the Imperial. The lacing is the biggest difference. So if you were wanting the closest thing to your current boots, but in BOA, then the Photon would be the way to go. The Ion is a little more different. I felt the Imperial at around a 6.5/10 flex, the Photon around 7/10 and Ion at 7.5/10. So I would say that both the Photon and Ion are stiffer than the Imperial, but really very little in between the Imperial and Photon – and you might not notice any difference (except that you will notice a difference between a new Photon and your old Imperials, which likely feel a good bit softer than they did when they were brand new).
The main reason, as far as I know, that the Photon are more expensive than the Imperial is because of the BOA system. Typically anything with a BOA is more expensive, all else being equal, than the same boot with a different lacing system.
Hope this helps with your decision
thanks. i had thought the imperials were stiffer than the photons but i guess not. i love my imperials but i also like to wear them loose(not too tight especially towards the top due to occasional pain) does that mean i should look at softer boots? im still going to try on the ions/photon/imp just to be sure. these will be paired with my YES PYL
Hi Philip
I wouldn’t necessarily go softer, particularly if you’re pairing with the PYL. I think stiffer (not necessarily super stiff, but stiffer than medium) work best with that board. But if you really find a softer boot a lot more comfortable and feel like you can wear them tighter without pain, then I would consider them. But for the best match to the board, I would be looking at at least Imperial flex.
Hi Nate!
Great site. Incredibly helpful.
Can you give me advice on a boot to go with my libtech skunk Ape 172 and Flux XF bindings?
Cheers!
Hi Ryan
Thanks for your message.
I think going with something around 7/10 flex or 8/10 flex is a good way to go for that setup. Or you could even go a little stiffer, if you really liked your boots stiff. But I think that’s a good range to look at. There are some boots on this list that are around that 7/10 flex. For some stiffer options:
>>My Top 5 Freeride Boots
Hope this helps
Hey man,
I would classify myself as a beginner snowboarder. I used to do it a bit when I was stationed up at Ft. Drum New York. I never had any problems in rental boots for long sessions. I have since gotten out of the military and moved on to other things. I recently tried to go back to snowboarding and found that my feet have flattened substantially from all the ruck marching while I was in. When I tried to start snowboarding again, I had to pull myself off the hills after only a couple of hours each day due to excruciating foot aches. I’ve been told this could be because of rental boots ONLY and that having my own broken in boots would alleviate it. I’ve been told that I may ALSO need boots designed for wide feet. I’ve been told I may ALSO need arch support. I’ve been told that I may need just one OR any combination of these three.
So my question is what is the best way to approach this problem? I am not in an area that facilitates easy testing of multiple boots so I’m trying to hit the mark with minimal purchases. I have no idea which factors listed above would be the best to address or if I should try to address all three. I have been looking at boots and I really like the look and features of the Vans Infuse. They say they are well designed for shitty arches BUT the comment about normal to narrow feet worries me slightly. Do you think those boots could be a good place to start or is there another route you would suggest? My purchasing habits tend to prioritize quality and longevity instead of “settling” for cheaper beginner options if that information helps your suggestions any. Please hit me up if you have time to do so. Thanks!
Hi Matthew
Thanks for your messages. Got the other ones too. Was nothing wrong with the messages. Just that I manually moderate them, and hadn’t got to it yet. I typically approve as I reply, so I can keep track of the comments I haven’t replied to yet.
I think the way to go would be to get a wider boot if you have wide feet and get custom footbeds made for it. All snowboard boots (or at least all but the cheapest) come with removable footbeds, so if you want you can remove then and put custom made ones in. Whereas you can’t make a boot any wider, so that’s the way I would do it.
But yeah, certainly having your own boots to start with and having the liners heat molded specifically for your feet should help to start with. If you get those in wide (assuming you have wide feet), then you could either start out with the footbeds they come with and see how you go or you could get the custom footbeds done from the get go.
In terms of beginner boots, it’s not just the quality to think about – you also don’t want boots that are too stiff if you’re a beginner. But I think you would be fine at around a 5/10 flex range or potentially even up to 6/10, but I wouldn’t go any stiffer. So the Infuse (with the tongue stiffeners not in) would prob be doable flex-wise, but if you have wide feet, then probably not wide enough. They do make some really high quality mid-flexing boots though – so you don’t have to go with the lower range if you don’t want to – I would just be careful not to go too stiff (higher end boots are often stiffer but not always).
For some more things fit-wise, check out:
Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands
and
Wide Snowboard Boots for Wide Feet
This list has a few at that 6/10 flex range and good quality – and there are also some at:
>>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots
That are worth checking out too.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate, I was wondering what boots you would recommend for a Jones mountain twin 162w with bent metal axtion bindings us 11-14?
Hi Reese
Thanks for your message.
I would be looking at something around 6/10 to 7/10 flex for that setup, so in the right place on this list. Anything here would work well, IMO. A lot of boot in this flex range, so if there’s nothing on this list you can get, let me know and I can provide some other options. Also check out the score breakdowns and if there’s anything else you particularly want, like really good shock absorption for example, you can see what might stand out for you.
But the most important thing is fit, so also, if you have a chance to try on, then I highly recommend that. If you can’t then here are some general fitting/sizing things for each of the brands that I test:
Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands
Hope this helps
Hi, Nate. Im looking for a boot to match salomon assasin pro w/ union falcor. Any recommend?
Hi EE
Thanks for your message.
I would be looking at something around a 7/10 or 8/10 flex for that setup. So anything with that flex in a boot that fits well is a good way to go, IMO. If you need something low profile, then that should be taken into account too, and any preferences you have in terms of how much shock absorption, traction etc you need and any preferences for lacing system, but otherwise I would look at that flex range in a boot that fits your feet well. You could check out this list too, if you wanted to look a little stiffer.
>>My Top 5 Freeride Boots
Or something like the Ride Trident, which didn’t quite make that list, but is an 8/10 flex.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate!
I just bought this Deeluxe Team ID boots which says 5/10. It says its freestyle but comparing to what I have been wearing, the Hi-standard maybe just 3/10? from vans it is way stiffer. I tried doing a toe edge lean at home, the boots barely flexed and my body already moved forward. I wonder if a body weight also make a difference also because I am just 60kg.. Somebody with 70-80kg with same flex would definitely feel a bit softer I guess? I generally ride the whole mountain 50% and go to tree runs and powder runs whenever there is good snow 50%. I have a yes standard with Union atlas bindings and I have around 100 days total on snow so far.
Not sure if I made the right choice here. I guess later on if it is not stiff enough I can get the TPS shield to get 1-3 flex rating up. What do you think?
Hi Herrick
Thanks for your message.
I don’t test Deeluxe boots, so I’m not sure how they typically feel versus other brands. So just to be clear – you’re saying that the Deeluxe boots feel a lot softer than your Hi-Standard?
But yes, bodyweight does make a difference. The same boot will feel softer for a heavier rider versus a lighter rider. Hadn’t heard of the TPS shield, but it looks like something you could use, if you’re finding the boots too soft.
Hi Nate,
Thanks for reply!
No, the Deeluxe boots feels much stiffer than Hi-Standard. I think Hi-standard is just 2.5 to me. While standing, with Hi-standard I can bend the shoes without sole leaving the ground much. Deeluxe I bought it bends a bit and I leave the ground already.
I thought about going 7/10 but seems very stiff.
Hi Herrick
Yeah to me the Hi-Standard feels like a 3.5/10, that’s why I was surprised when I thought you were saying the Deeluxe felt softer, but I got it the wrong way around. Flex ratings from brands tend to be a little different, which is why I always show my flex feel, so it’s a comparison of multiple brands from one person. It might be that Deeluxe boots are overall stiffer than Vans boots and their idea of a 5 is a stiffer than another brands idea of a 5. But the weight thing plays a part too – i.e. how much force you’re exerting on the boot. As you break it in, it will feel a little softer too.
Gear: I have been looking for a new boot to go with my setup (upgrading from some old Head Five Boots with a 3/10 flex rating). I primarily ride a Rome Pow Division (7/10 flex rating) or occasionally my Ride Machete (4/10 flex rating). I just got a set of Jones Mercury bindings (5-8 stiffness depending on the bushings/strap setup).
Riding Style: I like to ride surfy and loose for the most part. I go off-piste as much as the snow allows. I’ll pop into the park every so often but mostly to hit small jumps. Will go for speed and big carves occasionally.
All of the above makes me think I should be looking for a boot with mid-stiff flex. I’m leaning toward a double boa system boot. My search has narrowed down to the K2 Maysis or the Ride Lasso. Any feedback on which would be best for my gear and my riding style?
Hi Garrett
Thanks for your message.
I agree that something mid-stiff – around that 7/10 flex would be a good match for your setup and what you’re describing. I would say that the Maysis is more of a true 7/10 flex with the Lasso feeling mildly softer than that – like a 6 or maybe 6.5.
Also note for both of those boots, that one BOA works to tighten the entire outersole with the other BOA working slightly differently on each boot. On the Maysis, the second BOA works on a harness that wraps around the liner of the boot, focused around the ankle portion of the liner. On the Lasso, the second BOA has a similar function, but works slightly differently in that it pulls the tongue into the liner, but again focuses on more heel hold/better ankle support. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing – it makes for easy adjustment on the fly, for getting that heel hold/ankle support retightened during the day, without having to open out the boot. But it means less adjustability in terms of the upper and lower sections of the boots. Just wanted to point that out so you know that it’s not the typical “Double BOA” system which typically has one BOA that controls the upper section of the outerboot and the other BOA to control the lower section of the outer Boot.
If that kind of double BOA system is what you’re looking for, then both those boots would work well for you, IMO – but I would be leaning Maysis, just because it’s a little stiffer, by my feel.
If you wanted to look more for a Double BOA system that independently adjusts the upper and lower sections of the outerboot, let me know and I can suggest some good options in around that 7/10 flex range.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Do you have a boot recommendation for the Burton Custom Flying V?
Thanks so much of all the resources and for the help.
Hi Rayan
For matching boots to the Custom Flying V, the main thing, IMO, besides getting a good fit (which is the most important thing) is getting a flex that’s going to suit the board, and suit your riding style. For the Custom Flying V, I would go with something around a 6/10 flex and up to 7/10 flex. Probably wouldn’t go stiffer than that, but not much softer than 6/10. But you could go to 5/10 flex, if you’re quite a casual/playful rider. So, I think you’re in the right place on this list.
But if you did want to go a little softer you could also check out:
>>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots
Then it’s a matter of choosing the best fitting boots for your feet. Trying on in-person is the best bet ideally, but if that’s not possible, check out the following to get an idea of some of the fit differences between several brands.
Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands
Other things play a part too – adjustability can be a big one, depending on fit. Shock absorption is important depending on your bindings. If you already have quite damp/shock absorbing bindings, then it’s less important to have in your boots. And the profile varies in importance depending on your need to get on a narrower board, if you’re borderline. So those things (and other factors) certainly play a role, depending, but flex and fit are the biggest things, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks so much for your reply. I tried on the Burton Photons in store, and they were a great fit and are available for the step on bindings. I think the Ions will be too stiff, so I didn’t try them.
I read your rating of the Custom Flying V on your top all-mountain boards list and chose it over the camber version due to its versatility, but I realized this season I will be riding mostly in Minnesota and hopefully some trips out West. I live out West but am back home in Minnesota this season. One of the concerns that I have is that the Custom FV seems to perform poorly in hard pack and that it’s better suited for soft snow. This is fine out west, but I know we have a lot of hard pack here in Minnesota. I’m worried that I won’t have enough edge hold and will wash out a lot. Do you think the Custom FV can still work for me?
Also, for bindings, I am deciding between the Malavitas, Cartels, Genesis, and Step Ons, but I figure I should confirm the board before deciding on the bindings.
Hi Rayan
Firstly, yeah it’s a good idea to confirm the board before the bindings (and to confirm the boots first too – bindings are best left until you’ve made a call on both board and boots, IMO, to make sure to get the right size as well as flex).
The Flying V isn’t great in hard/icy conditions, IMO, so that’s the biggest downside of it, if you’ll be riding in those conditions a lot.
Definitely. And thanks for letting me know what you think about the Flying V. I think I will stick with it since I am still hoping to use it out West this season and will mainly be using it out West once I go back. I have my old camber Jeenyus board that I can try too if I am dealing with a lot of hard/icy conditions.
I am 5’9.5″/180 lbs but planning to drop to 170. I took a look at your snowboard length guide and think the 156 would be best, but let me know if you think the 156 isn’t the best option.
Also, I am trying to decide between the Photon and Ion step on boots. Both look to be medium to medium-stiff flex and have the faux ankle strap for added stability/adjustability. Which boot do you think would be better for the Custom Flying V?
Thanks again for all the help!
Hi Rayan
Yeah I think the 156 would be a good option. The 158 is also an option. Both would work, depending on what you were looking to prioritize.
The differences will be subtle, but subtly the 156 will be a little more maneuverable, more buttery and better for trees and jibs. The 158 will be subtly more stable at speed, float better in powder and better for big carves.
I think the Photon would be my pick with the Custom Flying V, but both would definitely work. The Ion just subtly stiffer than the Photon, but pretty similar.
Hi! Very nice review, yet big variety leads to tough decision-making haha. Please help me out. Got the Salomon Dancehaul 2021 board, burton cartel re:flex 2021 bindings. I run groomers mostly, but pow as well. I ride in a playful way, twisting, carving. Please help me choose boots. I got Burton Imperial as a suggestion from a friend. But what can you suggest me? Much appreciated
PS* Mainly from the models u presented in this review, choosing btw Imperial, adidas response adv and adidas tactical adv
Thanks again
Hi Damian
Thanks for your messages.
Firstly, I think you’re in the right place for the board/bindings you have. I think boots in this kind of flex range are a good option for that setup. And should suit how you describe your riding too.
The main thing is fit. If you can get the flex right – and I think something around about 6/10 in terms of flex is going to suit you and your setup well – then it mostly comes down to fit (of course things like traction and shock absorption etc are all important too, to an extent but fit is the most important thing, IMO). If you’re unable to try on in person, then check out the following to get some idea on how different brands fit:
Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands
Of course if you’ve got big feet and looking to fit on a narrower board, then how low profile the boots is also really important. With the Imperial and Adidas options being good in that respect, if that’s something you need they’ve got that. And assuming the fit is right, those 3 you’ve mentioned would certainly be a good match.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks so much! Jeez how can i promote what you are doing? how can i help your activity? Let me know
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And still, which of the three should i pick? i cannot try on any of those. Will i go wrong if i get the burton imperial? is the opportunity cost too big? i mean, obviously Adidas Tactical adv 2021 is number one on your list. But for what i am doing, will i really feel such a big difference?
Thank you once again
Appreciate
Hi Damian
I don’t think you can go wrong with the Imperial, no. Even outside this top 10 there are a number of good boots in this category, so to make the top 10, the Imperial are really good boots, IMO. Like I said, fit is a big thing. If there was anything in the article I sent to you that stood out as to which might be a better fit for you feet, then that’s one way to decide. But if there was nothing in particular there, then going with Imperial definitely not a bad choice.
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Hey Nate,
Thanks for the awesome review.
How will the vans hold up if the boa breaks? I’ve had them go a few times on snowboard boots and the last time wasn’t covered by boas lifetime warranty 🙁 I like the adjustable stiffness especially for some casual split boarding so pretty excited about that but I don’t want my day ruined out in the middle of the backcountry.
Cheers
Harry
Hi Harry
I couldn’t say for sure (I could take them out and not do the Boa up next time I ride them, but then I wouldn’t be able to reply for over 2 months!) but just putting them on now (I own the Infuse) with the boa completely loosened off, I think they’d be fine with the boa breaking. They just feel like a typical traditional lace boot, not even that much heel hold. The boa gives you that little bit more hold, but based on what I’m feeling in them right now, I think that boa is more of a bonus than a necessity. Of course this is just sitting with them at my desk, and might be different charging hard on snow. But definitely wouldn’t be unrideable if your Boa broke in the middle of the backcountry.
Hope this helps
Awesome Nate,
Really appreciate you taking the time thanks! Keep up the great work.
You’re very welcome Harry. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hi Nate,
Just wanting a little bit of info (if you know) on boots.
Im currently on Burton photon US 11 boots.
I rode the Falcors on the YES Hybrid 157 in Japan this year and they were hands down the best bindings i’ve ever ridden! (thanks for the recommendation BTW) Damp, light, secure and super comfortable! I liked them so much i decided to buy a pair in medium as I want to put them on my Jones MTN Twin 157 and YES PYL 159 and the Size L is too big, there is overhang on those boards (which is weird as on my old size L atlas and my current size L cartels there isnt).
So my query is whilst the photons for me are a really good boot and they do fit in the Falcor Mediums, i’m trying to downsize to a US 10.5 to get even better fit and reduced toe/heel drag.
I’ve found a pair of ION Double BOA on sale in the US10.5. Do you think that the IONs are significantly stiffer than the photons and do you think the reduction of half a US size will make a difference? I can buy the photons in US 10.5 too but they are the same price as the ION Double BOA so kinda thought the ION could be the go.
Also do you think that adidas tactical ADV or Acerra ADV in a 10.5 would have a smaller imprint than the photons or Ions in the same size? I’ve heard that in US10 or above the footprint difference is negligible but on 9 or less it is quite significant.
Thanks
Hi James
Thanks for your message.
Yeah the baseplate on the Falcors are quite long – and since they don’t adjust you’re stuck with that length – might be the only downside of them! But the medium should be a good fit on those boards (as I’m sure you’ve discovered) but yeah definitely a longer baseplate on those Falcors (and same with the Strata) than most bindings – Burton Large tend to have a much shorter baseplate for sure, in all models.
I wouldn’t say the IONs are significantly stiffer than the Photon. I would say quite similar, but maybe the IONs 1/2 a notch stiffer. They don’t have an articulating cuff, which some don’t like, others doesn’t bother them, but in terms of flex not a huge amount stiffer (7/10 vs 7.5/10 by my feel).
In terms of boot drag, and fit in the bindings, 1/2 size will make a noticeable difference. The only thing is whether the fit is comfortable for you. 1/2 size can also make a significant difference to how the boot fits. If a Burton 11 fits you really well, then it might be the case that a 10.5 could be uncomfortably tight. If you’ve tried them on and they’re fine, then I think you’ll be fine going to a 10.5 and it would make a difference for sure.
If you fit Burton well in an 11, then chances are good that you would fit well in a 10.5 Adidas. I find I fit an Adidas best in a 9.5 and a Burton best in a 10. So if you were to go Adidas, I’d say to go 10.5 anyway. In terms of reduced footprint, the amount of reduction seems to be consistent on all sizes. That said I’ve only measured certain sizes, but it wouldn’t make sense to me to have less reduction in bigger boots – which are the ones you want the reduction on! For more to go off, here are some sizes of the Tactical ADV and Acerra I’ve measured and their difference between Mondo and outersole length. The 12 that I measured in the Tactical ADV had the bigger footprint reduction vs the 9.5.
– Tactical ADV 9.5: 1.8cm
– Tactical ADV 12: 1.7cm
– Acerra 8.5: 1.5cm
– Acerra 9.5: 1.7cm
Note that I haven’t measured any other boots (not even in the Adidas line) with less than 2cm difference between Mondo and Outersole, so I wouldn’t be worried about how much reduction you get from a size 10.5.
In comparison these are the Ion and Photon’s I’ve measured.
– Ion 10: 2.7cm
– Photon Boa 10: 2.8cm
Also note though, in terms of boot drag that Burton’s boots have a bigger toe bevel than any other boot I’ve tested and that helps with boot drag too, so even though they’re not as reduced, they’re still great in terms of reduced boot drag. And also 2.7cm/2.8cm is still certainly reduced from the average.
Hope this helps
Legend, thanks for the input mate.
You’re very welcome James, as always. Thanks for visiting
Hey Nate,
I’m looking for something a bit more comfortable and that’ll help me board longer. I hear Adidas are known for comfort and their boost sole can give you some extra energy. Has there been any changes to the boot itself between the TACTICAL ADV boots 2019/2020 and the ACERRA ADV BLACK boots 2018/2019? I really would prefer the BOA in the 2018 ACERRA vs traditional lacing in the 2020 Tacticals but I have read that there were some pressure point issues with older Adidas and may want to forgo the BOA laces if the newer Tactical ADV boots would be more comfortable. Whats your thoughts?
Hi Matt
Thanks for your message.
There are new Acerra boots too. Those have continued in their line, so if you were worried about the older versions, then you could look at the new models. Also note that there are differences between the 2019/20 Tactical ADV and Acerra ADV 2018/19, as they are different boots, even if they hadn’t changed between the year models. The Acerra is a stiffer boot. Still uses the boost, but it’s a different boot overall. It’s not in this list because of it’s stiffer flex – see: >>My Top 5 Freeride Boots
So, if you don’t want to go stiffer, but still want Boa, then the Adidas Response would be more the goer. They don’t have the boost though. They are still comfortable, but just not quite as good as absorbing shock or chatter, or the same kind of energy as the Tactical ADV or Acerra ADV, but still pretty good.
For the 2020 models, there’s also the new Tactical Lexicon ADV in addition to the regular Tactical ADV, which has a gold liner rather than a silver liner. I think that’s the only difference. I’ve heard they are supposed to be a little more comfortable, but I haven’t ridden them, so I’m not sure by how much.
But yeah, if you wanted the boost, then the Tactical ADV, Tactical Lexicon ADV or the Acerra ADV are the options. The 2 Tactical’s have a flex around 6/10 and the Acerra more like 8/10. The Tactical’s are both traditional lace and the Acerra is double boa.
Hopes this answers your question/clears it up. But yeah, I really like the boost and Adidas boots in general.
One thing to note, in case you can’t try on (which is hard to do at the moment!), is that Adidas boots typically run half a size large. Meaning, for most people, that you would go half a size smaller than what you’d normally ride. E.g. I normally ride a size 10 snowboard boot. But in Adidas a 9.5 fits best for me. Most, but not all that I talk to are the same with Adidas boots.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I have been enjoying reading your reviews, and especially the detailed advice you give to people who comment…so I figured I would drop a question on here to see if you have any input.
I am buying my first kit for backcountry touring–first board and boots overall, actually–and I’m at a bit of a loss for the boots. I’ve already got the board–the Arbor Coda Split 158–and I’ll be getting the Spark R&D Arc bindings.
My feet measure in at like 24.5-25, and I wear a US Men’s 8 street shoe. I’ve tried on the Burton Photons in a 7, and I think they felt pretty nice. But for the sake of playing the field a bit and getting a better idea of fit, I want to try on a few other boots for comparison. Would you have recommendations or advice for other boots to try on for comparison? The application being a combo of backcountry powder and groomers, probably about 60-40 split.
Thanks so much for reading, and for the great reviews!
Hi Aaron
Thanks for your message.
If you’re looking for something around that 7/10 flex range, then I would look at the likes of the Vans Infuse, Ride Deadbolt, Thirty Two Mullair, Thirty Two TM-TWO, or if you wanted to go slightly stiffer, you could check out the following:
>>My Top 5 Freeride Boots
Hope this gives you some good options to compare
Hi, Nate I also forgot to ask you about size on the deadbolts too, I wear a size 10 street shoe but with my k2 like I said I’m a 9.5. If those are good for my type of foot what size should I get? Thanks
Hi Nick
Thanks for your messages.
I found the heel hold with these really good. The Maysis probably just a little bit better, but very little in it – and I found the Maysis had one of the better levels of heel hold. For arches, I think they would be fine. Didn’t notice them being particularly tight in terms of the tops of the foot. I don’t have particularly high arches – though my right foot has a higher arch than my left and I usually feel the top of my right foot on boots that are tight on the top.
So yeah, I think they could be suitable for your foot. No guarantees of course. Without trying on, it’s hard to say for sure.
In terms of the pinching, I haven’t noticed that personally with the Maysis, so no way to tell really if that’s going to be an issue with the Deadbolts.
In terms of sizing, I find that both Ride and K2 fit for me in 10s – and I wear 10s in normal shoes too. But I have heard some that find K2 runs half a size large (meaning you need to go a 1/2 size down). I have personally found that 10s fit me well for K2s though. So, probably 9.5s OK for the Deadbolts, but might be the case that 10s are a better fit. Again, if there was any chance of trying on, that would of course be ideal.
Probably the best boot I’ve tried recently, in that same 7/10 flex range, for heel hold is the 32 TM-2 Double Boa. That’s something I would probably recommend going for a 10 in though, if you were 9.5 for K2. But that’s another one to consider if heel hold is the biggest thing for you. That said, the Deadbolt is very good, just that the TM-2 is that little bit more there.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision
Hi, I was looking into the ride deadbolts. I have narrow feet skinny ankles and high arches. Struggle with geek lift. Would these boots be good for my type of foot? I currently have a size 9.5 k2 Maysis snd liked them but after a year I’m getting pinching pain. I ride all mountain, backcountry, and like to ride in the park from time to time.
Hi Nate, really enjoyed your in depth review on boots! I am need of advice on a new setup. My current ride is an old Burton Vapor 162 (wide), Burton Mission bindings and old DC BOA boots (11.5). I mainly stick to resort groomers and a little park riding and rarely some backcountry.
1.) What boot would best reduce my footprint so I might get a smaller width board?
2.) What size/type board would you recommend for my height (5’11”)?
3.) Any new lightweight bindings you really like?
Thanks!
Jim
Hi Jim
Thanks for your message.
1. Adidas boots are currently the most low profile. And most people I speak to (and myself included) seem to fit in a boot half a size smaller (so for me I usually ride a 10, but I fit best in a 9.5 in Adidas boots). So that plus also being the most low profile, makes Adidas the standout low profile option for sure. If possible at all, it’s a good idea to try boots on first, even if you’re going to buy online – as everyone’s foot is different, but in terms of low profile, Adidas is leading the way currently. Other good low profile options include Burton, Vans & Ride. Some models are more low profile than others between all those brands, so if you end up with a short list, then I can give you a more specific number for the particular models, if I’ve measured them. The Tactical ADV is the lowest profile I’ve measured to date.
2. Since you ride mostly groomers, but with a little park and a little backcountry, I think all-mountain is probably the way to go. You could go all-mountain-freestyle too, but it wouldn’t perform as well when you do go into the backcountry/powder of any sort. In terms of size, if you could let me know your weight as well. I do like to take height into account, but weight is the more important factor these days.
3. In terms of lightweight, Union tend to have the lightest bindings going around. Again, it differs model to model, even within brands, but Union bindings tend to be lighter than most. Assuming you go with an all-mountain board around 5/10, 6/10, 7/10 flex, and similar for boots, then something like the Union Strata or Union Falcor are light and an appropriate flex for that kind of board. If you end up narrowing down a board choice, then I could advise which I think would be the best fit. Burton bindings are also relatively light, as are some NOW bindings. I haven’t weighed all the brands though, only select ones, but yeah if lightweight is a big thing for you, then Union Strata or Falcor would be what I would look at.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for all the great info on bindings, etc.! I am about 5’11” and 155-160 pounds. Looking at picking up some boots and I’ve narrowed it down to:
2019 Salomon Dialogue Focus BOA
2019 Ride Jackson BOA
2019 DC Judge BOA
These are what I have found on sale and I’m short on funds. All of these I’ve found for around $140-$170.
My shoe size is 11.5 but I ride a size 12 boot (with sock) and I’m mostly concerned with find a mid-wide board for my big ass foot!
With the info I’ve given you what boot stands out? What size board could I get away with?
Thanks!
Jim
Hi Jim
Thanks for your message.
In terms of trying to get something low profile, the Ride Jackson is the lowest profile on that list. The 2020 Salomon Dialogue is lower profile (but that will be out of your budget at the moment) but the 2019 model isn’t. So yeah, if you’re looking for reduced footprint, the Jackson is your best bet there.
In terms of board length, I would go for something around 156-157.
In terms of width, even with the lower profile Jackson’s, with size 12s, I would still go wide. It does depend on a lot of things – binding angles, how aggressively/deep you carve. If you feel like you’re not an overly aggressive carver, then you can get away with something narrower, but I still wouldn’t go roughly narrower than around 258mm at the waist. And that’s an estimate too, as the width at inserts compared to waist, differs depending on the board too. In some cases a waist of 258mm might be wide enough and in other cases might not be. If you are able to let me know your typical binding angles and any specific boards you are looking at, I can give you a better opinion on sizing.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
What’s your opinion on the Burton Photons? I will be pairing them with Cartel Bindings and a Jones Mountain Twin. I have heard that they are basically an Imperial with the Boa system. Is that true?
Thanks in advance
Josh
Hi Josh
The Photon and Imperial are very similar boots. But not exact. I felt the Photon stiffer than the Imperial. Not by heaps but a little firmer. The main difference I can see between them (apart from the lacing system) is that the Photon has the “Grip lite backstay” and the Imperial “S4 Shell Panels”. That could potentially be where I felt the Photon firmer, but yeah, they are pretty similar. I think the Photon’s would match the Cartel/MT setup. I would say they are mildly stiffer than that setup overall, but not way off, and having slightly stiffer boots vs board works well, IMO. I’d usually go either flex-match or slightly stiffer with my boots, but not the other way around (i.e. don’t really like softer boots on a stiffer board), if that makes sense.
Thanks for the reply Nate,
You have the Ions at a 7/10 flex rating would the Photons bet inbetween the Ions and Imperials? Say a 6.5/10? Also do you think the Imperials would match the flex of the Cartel/MT better than the Photons or am I splitting hairs. I am sorry if I am inundating you with questions. I have a trip this weekend and both boots are on the way. I will need to decide between the 2 and return one so just trying to nail it down as best as possible.
Thanks for all the help,
Josh
Hi Josh
I would say closer to 7/10 for the Photon, but still a little softer than the Ions. I know that doesn’t make much sense, but I would say the Ion is just a touch over 7, and I was really debating between having it 7/10 or 7.5/10. The Photon more like solidly 7. But of course that is just from my own feel. Others can feel them different, but that’s what I got from the Photon.
It’s hard to say for sure which will be the better match. Some people exclusively prefer to go stiffer in boots vs their board. Some prefer to actually go softer in boots – prefer more of a feeling of freedom. Personally, I like to either match or go slightly stiffer, so both would work for me. If I had to choose, then I would say Imperials are the best match, but the Photon’s wouldn’t be a bad call either. I personally prefer Boa to Speed Lace, so that would likely be a factor in my choice too.
I know that’s not a very solid answer! But I really don’t think there’s a bad choice there.
I have a pair of swath that I rode the previous season, loved them but finding myself riding more and more aggressie so I’ve picked uo a pair of ions this season. I do like to get alot air grabs tricks off natural features and basically have been heading into an aggressive all mountain freestyle predominantly but I did also pick up a softer board (hot knife(trs last season) for learning butters on. Do you think it would be worthwhile keeping the swath just for this or would the difference with the ions be so marginal it’s not worthwhile lugging around an extra pair of boots? My jibbing will be minimal as an ex skater this is least new to me and would probably be the last thing ill venture to focus on. Just asking your thoughts because id prefer to sell these in the lead up to the season and use the money elsewhere rather than try them out a bunch of times find I don’t want to bother having two sets of boots and end up leaving them in storage. So long story short would ions jump butter and a freestyle well enough to not warrant pulling out a set of swaths for a more butter freestyle oriented day?
Hi Exzul
Thanks for your message.
Personally I wouldn’t use this boot for buttering/a softer setup. But I don’t mind having multiple pairs of boots – and I would be leaving them at home until the day that I wanted to ride a particular board (as I live close enough to do that), so wouldn’t be dragging them around. So I’m in a slightly different situation. But yeah, I would certainly prefer to have the Swath for those days. I wouldn’t say the difference is massive – but I wouldn’t say it’s marginal either. So, not really being in your situation it’s hard to say what you should do – how much you need the money from selling them, how annoying it’s going to be for you to drag them around etc – I would keep both pairs personally, but I’m not in that boat.
Some people like some extra stiffness for riding freestyle – some prefer super soft. I’m kind of in the middle. I still like to have some stiffness in them, but not as much the Ions have. Also I find I prefer an articulating cuff for freestyle riding, which the Ions don’t have.
Hope this somewhat helps
I love my Vans Infuse. I’ve always had such a hard time with boots. I’d get crazy heel lift with traditional laces and hot spots with boa. These are a perfect balance, plus I can control the flex. I’ve ridden 32 lashed, DC Travis Rice, Burton Ion, Ride Trident and The Infuse is by far the most comfortable and supportive boot I’ve found.
Hi Casey
Awesome that you’ve found your boot! Boots are perhaps the hardest gear to get right, because fit is so important and everyone’s feet are different. Finding boots that fit your feet well is a big part of the equation for sure. But yeah, I also am a big fan of the Infuse (I own a pair too). They are a good fit for my feet too, and I like the flex control and the lacing/boa combo.
hey buddy
I have a Process Purepop camber + mission EST bindings and try to find the perfect boots for me.
My level is intermediate entry level hahah, most an all mountain rider.
What do you suggest??
The only mandatory thing to me is to have a boa, I hat laces,
thanks!
Hi Ivan
Thanks for your message.
For the best match with your board and binding setup, I would say to go around 5/10, 6/10 in terms of flex. So for this list, that leaves the Adidas Response, in terms of BOA, and that would be a really good option, IMO.
But for more options also check out:
>>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots
Whilst it’s titled “freestyle” they are also good for all-mountain riding. I would almost just think of them as 5/10 flex boots. The Burton Swatch Boa from that list would be a good option, especially if you wanted to go Burton again. And the Vans Aura Pro would also be an excellent compliment to your current setup. I own these and have found them to be great boots.
You could also check out the Burton Ruler Boa, which is not as nice as the Swatch Boa, but still a solid boot (5/10 flex) and a bit cheaper. Or the Salomon Dialogue Boa.
Hope this helps, and let me know if you want any further options, but I think those would be the best to look at. In terms of fit, if possible try on in person, but if you’re unable to, check out:
>>How Different Brand Snowboard Boots Fit
>>Sizing Snowboard Boots
Hope this helps with your search
Man! you rock!
the best ever site!
Thanks Ivan!
Hope you have an awesome season!
Hey Nate ,
I tried on a Salomon Fraction BOA, its price was reealy good and I liked it because it seems that it has less material but still a good stiffness.
I don’t know if it is a consistent boot, but when I tried I felt comfortable
I find all burton too big, lot material, I like to feel my feet. I don’t know if you got what I’m trying to explain.
thanks!
hey Nate,
I don;t know if my reply went correctly, so I will post again.
I said that I tried on a Salomon Fraction BOA and I loved it because despite being simpler than Burton, it doesn’t have too much material, it is narrow.
It makes me feel better my feet.
what do you think about it?
thanks again
Hi Ivan
Fit is like 90% of what makes a good snowboard boot, IMO. If you find something that fits your foot well, you’re at least going to be comfortable, so that’s a big part of it. Salomon boots are typically narrower, so I’m not surprised you found that. If they fit your feet well, then that’s a good option, IMO. I would say the Faction is a softer than medium boot. So, that’s the only question mark on them. We’re you able to try a Dialogue? Usually boots from within the same brand fit similarly – certainly there are often differences, but usually quite similar. The Faction would do the job, and is certainly a cheaper option, but just know that, from my experience it’s a bit softer – and will likely feel softer than they do now, once you’ve broken them in, but yeah, like I say, fit is a big part of the equation.
Hey Nate,
After some try ons, I’ve gotten a good deal with a K2 MYSIS Heat( I don’t care about the heating system, but this version was with a promotion).
It was strange, because even that I hate wide and not reduced footprint, when I fitted this boot I felt so comfortable and I loved the boa that tight the internal shell.
I know that its profile is a little bit stiffer if compared with the Swatch burton and Vans, but I tried them all and to me seemed to be almost the same stiffness but the comfort of this K2 conquer me.
Honest, do you think that I did a wrong choice? regarding being stiffer and less low profile at least on its characteristics.
tks!
Update,
I put this maysis boot on my board and the tip of the boot went 2 cm off the edge of the board, ist that ok?
Do you think that I would catch the edge while doing my carvings?
snowboard is 152 and my boots are sz 9.
Hi Ivan
2cm overhang, IMO is pretty much perfect. It shows that your feet, which ultimately apply the pressures to the edges of the board, are close enough to the edges, but without the boots being too far over. 2cm over (on each edge) is about ideal. And you can have a bit more overhang on your heel edge vs your toe edge, as you don’t tend to get as low into carves on that edge. But if you can let me know the brand/model of your board, and I can see if I can give you a more accurate opinion. But yeah, if that 2cm overhang is accurate, then it’s pretty much ideal, IMO.
Hi Ivan
Thanks for the update.
Whilst, I think the Maysis is a little stiffer than ideal for that setup/intermediate level, if anything in the setup is going to be stiffer, then I would choose the boots to be that part. And they’re not ultra stiff, so I don’t think they’re way off. I would have perhaps suggested the K2 Ender (a little softer flexing but also has a similar fit and also has that internal boa – I’m also a fan of this – it’s great to be able to really get that heel cranked and I find with the K2s that have this feature, that you can really crank it down without discomfort but get your heel nice and locked in – and you can retighten it without opening the rest of the boot, so nice and easy). But the Maysis heat isn’t a bad choice either. They’re not that low profile (I measured the Maysis at 3.2cm over the mondo size) but that’s only a problem if you are tight in terms of overhang.
So yeah, like i say fit is a big part of it, and if they fit well and feel comfortable that’s the biggest thing. I think maybe the Ender would have been a slightly better choice, but the Maysis will work for sure. Quite hard to tell the difference in flex for boots when just trying on and not riding – like you can certainly tell between softer than medium and stiff boots, for sure, but anything in that 4/10 to 7/10 range tend to feel the same until you get them on snow, but I don’t think the Maysis is stiff enough to be a bad choice, as such.
Hi Nate – really appreciate all your information, it’s been very helpful! I have a question on boot flex please……….I’m looking at new boots to match up w/my Jones Explorer (bought last year based on your review and love it). My current boots (Northwave Legend) are rated about a 5 flex and from your guidelines, I gather it’s best to match up flex w/in your gear. That said, after trying on many stiffer rated boots (approx 7 flex), I really prefer the feel of my med-flex boot. So my long-winded question is does riding a softer flexing boot really hold me back to any significant degree on a stiffer flexing board? I mainly just cruise groomers and hit powder when available, no park and not a super speed demon either (although I do like some speed!) I haven’t noticed any issues with the setup, my since I’ve not ridden stiffer boots, I don’t know what I might be missing out on. Thanks!
Hi dd
Thanks for your message.
I like to try and match flex with gear, but it’s certainly not a hard and fast rule. And going with a 5/10 boot with the Explorer (6.5/10 by my feel) isn’t too far off being a match. If it feels good then it should be fine. I just find going too soft in boots on a stiffer board, can make the board feel a little “heavier” and “slower” but I don’t think there’s a big issue with riding 5/10 flex boots on the Explorer especially if you’re not riding really aggressively. I feel like I can get deeper into a carve and hold it longer with a stiffer flexing boot, but that’s only really the case when riding fast and aggressively leaning into a carve. I think it’s also more of a thing for heavier riders. The more pressure you’re exerting on the boot, the more you can make it flex, and if it’s too soft to start with then it flexes too much. But it doesn’t sound like you have any issues with your boots on the Explorer, so I would stick with your setup if you enjoy riding with it and it covers you performance-wise.
Good to hear Nate. Thank you for your thoughts. Have a great season!
You’re very welcome dd. Hope you have an awesome season too!
Hey. What’s up Nate? All these comments must have been keeping you busy! I just got the thirtytwo tm3 grenier this year. I’m just wondering if you’ve had a chance to check ’em out and what your thoughts are.
Hi Tyler
I haven’t had a chance to check out ride the TM-3 yet. Hopefully will this season. From checking them out in store they seem like a quality pair of boots, but without having ridden them I couldn’t say how they go performance wise.
Hi Nate,
Thanks for your time spent writing these reviews.
First pair of boots as I’ve rented previously. I was set on the double BOA system with a couple of boots that feature on this list making my shortlist. However having visited a shop on the weekend I’ve been a little put off BOA’s due to breakages. Have you seen many examples of the BOA’s breaking when going for the high end brands like Burton/K2/Adidas etc? I will be riding about 30 days this year fairly aggressive all mountain freestyle…
Thanks!
Hi George
I’ve never had any breakages with BOAs before but I have heard of them. I don’t think they’re super common, certainly not in the first 100 days of a boots life, but the biggest thing is that when they do break it’s not as simple as replacing a pair of laces. So that’s the advantage of laces. If they break, they’re much easier to replace. Most boots I get on I don’t ride for long enough to ever have any issues, but I have owned Vans Aura (which are double boa) which I rode for over 100 days with no issues. I personally wouldn’t be put off buying double boa boots again, but I’ve never had any bad experiences with them. One thing to be careful of though, is that you don’t rest your board on the top of your boot on the lift – at least not where the BOA wires are, as I’ve heard of this wearing them down and leading to a breakage (understandably).
Thanks a lot for the feedback! I do like the adjustability and ease of use so I’ll stick with them I think!
You’re very welcome George. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hey Nate!
Love your reviews!
Would love your thoughts on the ‘ROME inferno’. I ride a Burton Custom, all mountain use. Interested in your opinion on how they measure up against their competition.
Hi Dylan
Thanks for your message.
Unfortunately I don’t currently test Rome gear, so I couldn’t say much about the Infernos. Strictly looking at the stated flex rating, they would be a good match for the Custom, IMO. But beyond that I couldn’t say what they’re like.
Cheers mate!
Hi Nate
I am an experienced snowboarder and want your thoughts on the best boots out of the following:
Burton Ion Boa
ThirtyTwo Binary Boa
Salomon Dialogue Focus Boa
Thanks,
Brent
Hi Brent
Thanks for your message.
First of all, with boots, IMO, fit is a big consideration and different feet fit different boots differently. So the best for me isn’t necessarily the best for you – in terms of fit anyway.
Also, depends on your definition of best. These are quite different boots, IMO. By me feel, I rate the Ion Boa 7.5/10 for flex, with the Binary Boa more like 6.5/10 and the Dialogue closer to 5/10.
Performance-wise, the Ion Boa is the most responsive and the best boot for carving and at speed, of the 3, followed by the Binary Boa, followed by the Dialogue.
The Ion Boa will suit a stiffer board/binding setup better, but for a softer board/binding setup, something like the Dialogue might work better.
If you’re looking to ride freestyle, or ride more casually, then something like the Dialogue might work better too.
If you’re doing any hiking, the Dialogue Boa and Ion Boa have better traction vs the Binary Boa, IMO.
So there are lot of factors, IMO, to determine what’s “best”. For carving, bombing performance and for the most response, and with a stiffer board/binding setup, I’d say Ion Boa. But in different situations they may not be the best choice, IMO.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Just wanted to get your thoughts on a comparison between two boots. I have owned a pair of burton imperial for the last two seasons. But unfortunately the had started to break down on the speed lacing system. I sent them in for a warranty repair and Burton deemed they couldn’t fix them and would replace them with the burton Ion’s.
Just wanted to know how different the Burton Ions were and how big of a jump in stiffness they are?
Hi Brad
Thanks for your message.
In my opinion there is a noticeable jump there. It’s not like going from a soft boot to a super stiff boot, but certainly noticeable. By my feel I would say Imperial 6/10 flex and Ion 7.5/10 flex. Nice that they’re replacing them with a more expensive boot – but kind of strange that they’re not replacing like for like. And if you’re not looking for something stiffer. I would have thought they would ask you, rather than just say they’re replacing it with a different boot. If you’re happy with going stiffer, no problems, and you’re getting a pricier boot – but still seems a little weird to me.
Hi Nate,
First of all, as someone who likes to thoroughly research everything before they buy something, your site is PURE GOLD!
I’m looking for all-mountain boots with a low profil. I’m wondering what score you gave to the Burton Ruler? Related to that, is there any way to see the score for all the boots you tested? (Maybe not the detailed score, but just the name of the boots and the overall score)
Thanks for all you do for the snowboarding community!
Hi Dominique
I don’t usually publish the score for everything, but here’s the details for the Burton Ruler.
Flex = 5/10
Response = 3/5
Heel Hold = 3/5
Adjustability = 4/5
Comfort = 4/5
Shock Absorption = 3/5
Traction = 4/5
Reduced Footprint = 4/5
Total Score = 75/100, after normalizing
The same for Burton Ruler BOA, but with 4/5 for heel hold. And 78.3/100 overall.
Remember too, of course, that boots, more than any other gear, are quite subjective. But hopefully this gives you an idea of their qualities.
Some other good low profile options in a similar price range with a similar flex are the Vans Aura Pro, Vans Hi-Standard Pro, Adidas Samba, Burton Rampant, Ride Jackson.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I too recently purchased adidas tactical adv in a 10.5us. whats the minimum waist width i could go with this boot. i usually ride a 32 binary boa size 11 and always had a minimum waist width of 258mm as a rule. do you think i can get away with going normal width boards with minimal toe/heel drag? and from reading previous comments i should get medium bindings in both union and burton with these boots?
hope i made sense.
cheers
Tim
Hi Tim
Thanks for your message.
Yeah I would go medium for both Union and Burton for 10.5 Tactical ADVs, if I was you.
As for minimum waist width, you can definitely bring that down from 32 11s, IMO. Based on ThirtyTwo and Adidas boots that I’ve measured, you’re likely looking at up to a 10mm difference just from the reduced footprint on the Tactical ADVs – and then another 5mm from going half a size down, so you could potentially go as narrow as 243mm at the waist (with +15/-15 angles) – which would be like a 9.5 (which is essentially what a 10.5 Adidas is, or even less maybe). With a straighter back binding angle, I would say go with a minimum of around 252mm at the waist though. But yeah, should definitely get on most normal width boards, IMO, with 10.5 Tactical ADVs – depending on the actual width of them.
Note that if you like to really rail your carves, you might want to add a little bit of width – but if you were previously comfortable with 258mm at the waist, then I think you’ll be fine on most regular width, with 10.5 Tactical ADVs.
Hope this helps with your decision.
Cheers nate! I’m looking forward to having a custom x that is not wide!
You’re very welcome Tim. Enjoy your new setup!
Hi Nate,
I am currently riding a Jones all-mountain twin 157cm. My first and previous set-up consist of the yes basic 155cm, size M union contact pro bindings and burton moto boots (all 2017 models and bought based on your recommendations). I have been snowboarding for 3 seasons, and is looking to upgrade my bindings and board (to match my jones). My goal before this season comes to an end is to get proper lessons and an introduction to off-piste riding. Considering that I am looking to ride powder and also charging on-piste, which bindings and boots would you recommend me to get. In fact, which category would you recommend me to look in, all-mountain or all-mountain freeride. I am looking for gears that can last me couple of years (in terms of durability and also skill level). I am looking at the K2 Lien AT bindings and Adidas tactical adv boots. Thanks!
Hi Chris
Thanks for your message.
To make a long comment short I would say that the Lien AT and Tactical ADV would be a great match for the Mountain Twin and for what you’re describing.
But to add to that, something with around a 6/10 flex, to match the Mountain Twin – 7/10 would also work – so all-mountain-freeride bindings would also be a good match, especially if you weren’t planning on getting into freestyle riding that much. But the Lien AT are a good mix of both, IMO, so they would be a great choice. So yeah, either all-mountain or all-mountain-freeride for the Mountain Twin (preferably 6/10 or 7/10 in terms of flex, but you could also get away with 5/10 flex). Same for boots.
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for your help. You have been very helpful with your advise even since I started snowboarding.
Could I just ask a couple more questions? If I were to get another stiffer or powder board, would the K2 lien AT and Adidas tactical ADV still be suitable (thinking of having 2 boards but just a single set of bindings and boots, which was what I was doing before selling my old gear). Also, with the tri-pods of the lien AT, how much difference in stiffness do you get when using the different tri-pods?
Thank you once again!
Hi Chris
With a stiffer board, ideally you’d go stiffer with the rest of the gear, but as long as it wasn’t like ultra-stiff, you would still get away with Lien AT and Tactical ADV on stiffer gear. Some powder boards aren’t that stiff either, if you were to go for a powder specific board, in which case you’d be a good match with the Tactical/Lien AT setup.
I haven’t actually played around with the Grommets in the Lien ATs. I’ve ridden them a couple of times but only at demo days, so I’ve just ridden them with what was already in them. So, not sure how much difference they make to the flex.
HI Nate,
Unfortunately, the K2 Lien AT is out of stock in the UK (at least for my size). I have purchased the Adidas Tactical Adv boots and am awaiting their arrival. So now, I have to look for another pair of bindings that won’t break the bank. May I know what are you thoughts on the Union Falcor for my gear combination and riding style? There’s a shop that has quite a bit of discount on it now. Are they suitable for jumps in a snow park (thought of doing a little of this)? And also, what size should I purchase if I end up going for the Falcor? I purchased a UK size 10 / US size 10.5 on the Adidas tactical adv (I was a UK 9.5 in my previous Burton boots). This is because I sized using the heel-to-toe length (mine’s 275-280 mm depending on which foot). I seem to be between size M and L on the Falcor, so should I size up or down? Could you kindly advise? Thank you so much for your help!
Hi Chris
The Falcor’s are a little more advanced, but I wouldn’t say they’re ultra stiff – still some forgiveness (7/10 flex by my feel). They would certainly work for the Mountain Twin, it’s just whether or not they would be a touch stiff for you. Possibly not but it’s hard to say. I like the Falcor’s for jumps – they provide good pop, and I like the canting in the footbed for that too. Not sure if they would be the best for learning jumps on though.
Size-wise, if you did go for the Falcors, or something else Union, I would go for medium. For 2 reasons, the base plate on Union large bindings is quite long, so there’s a chance it would be a little long for the 157 Mountain Twin. Don’t know for sure but there’s a risk there. But also, I think, since you have Tactical ADVs (which are low profile) in 10.5, that the Mediums would be the best bet for your boots too.
The Burton Cartel and Union Strata would be 2 other good options, IMO and are also reasonably priced.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I stumbled upon this website just tying to look for reviews on boots and I am super impressed! You have so much knowledge and are very helpful which is great! But anyways I so have a question for ya. I purchased the k2 maysis boots for this season thinking that they would be amazing after reading all the reviews about them. And it’s true they are awesome. They are the perfect stiffness and ride great. However, I find that the single boa is lacking in versatility. The fact that in can only be tighted all at once makes it really hard to move from riding powder and then to the park as efficiently as I want, aswell as sometimes creates pressure points on my arch depending on how I’m riding. My current board is a salomon assassin pro, and my bindings are contact pros. I am going to be switching to forces as the contact pros are just too soft for me now as my riding has progressed. But that’s besides the point haha. So I’m just wondering what your opinion is on a pair of boots that rides and feels like the maysis, but has a double boa system instead. (I love the boa and could never go back to laces). A few things I’ve looked up so far are the 32 binary and a few options from salomon. But from what I’ve read on this website the binaries will be way to soft. Looking forward to hearing from you!
Hi Brayden
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, it’s a shame it doesn’t have 3 Boas. That Boa for the liner, so you can adjust the liner more easily without having to get inside to the liner is handy, but certainly two boas for the outer boot would be nice too. The K2 Thraxis does have the triple boa system – one for the liner, one for the upper outer boot and one for the lower outer boot. It’s stiffer than the Maysis though – 9/10 flex, IMO – with the Maysis more like 7/10. Then there’s the K2 Boundary, which has two boas, but both are for the outer boot, so you get that adjustability there. They are a little softer than the Maysis though – 6/10 flex.
For other brands, with double boa, you could look at the:
Adidas Acerra (8/10 flex)
Adidas Response (6/10 flex)
Burton Photon Boa (8/10 flex)
Burton Ion Boa (7.5/10 flex)
Thirty Two Lashed Double Boa (6/10 flex)
Thirty Two Binary Boa (6/10 flex)
Thirty Two Focus Boa (8/10 flex)
Salomon Synapse Boa (7/10 flex)
Ride Trident (8/10 flex) – also a triple boa (two for outerboot and one for liner)
Hope this helps and gives you some options to look at
Hi Nate,
Always look for your opinion when I am researching new gear, thanks for all the effort you put into this site. I have a question about my current set-up and am would like to get your opinion. I have a Bataleon The One E.S. 2018 (6 – flex), Adidas Samba boots (4 to 5 – flex), and a set of older Forum bindings (4 flex) but in decent condition. I feel a little too soft in the boot and bindings with my new board and am curious which one I should upgrade to for a more stiffer flex (don’t have the $$$ for both this season). I am leaning toward the boot as I get a bit of heel lift with them also (hence me checking out the Vans…). Any thoughts?
Thanks man!
Hi Johnny
Thanks for your message.
Yeah, I would go boots first, especially if you’re also getting heel lift and want to sort that out as well. The other thing, depending on how long you’ve had your boots, is that they will likely have softened up over time, if you’ve done a lot of time in them. Something like the Vans Infuse could work (I find them to have really good heel hold). Only thing to take note of is that they are narrower than Adidas boots, and if you have wide feet, you might not fit in them as well. If that’s the case, then the Adidas Response might be a better option. Or the Ion Boa (though very pricey), or something like the Thirty Two Binary Boa (6.5/10 flex).
Also check out the following for a few notes on boot fit for a number of different brands:
Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thanks for your very detailed reviews. I’v read both the reviews on your favorite freeride boots and the all mountain boots above. After reading I must say I really like the Vans Verse and Vans Infuse.
Have have been riding for quite some years now and qualify myself as quite an advanced rider. Usually I ride the resorts but go offpiste as much as possible. Sometimes I go for a one day tour where I’ll walk for 1-2 hours. Also I’m really looking forward to go on a 5 day splitboard tour in April 2019. Taking this into consideration I guess you could say that I tend to go more in the freeride direction, but I also like to further practice riding switch and butter, jump my way around the mountain.
I realize that I may ask a lot of you, so please bear with me, it would be greatly appreciated if you could help me making a choice between these two boots by pointing out some specific advantages or disadvantages for the type of riding I do/will be doing. Coming from boots that I used when I started riding (which are very soft) I obviously want stiffer boots, but don’t want to overdo it.
Thanks in advance and keep up the good work.
Greetings from Amsterdam, the Netherlands
Hi Philip
Thanks for your message.
I would go with the Vans Infuse, if I was you. For a couple of reasons.
a. They will be an easier adjustment from what you’ve been used to as they aren’t as stiff as the Verse
b. For your more freestyle aspects around the resorts, the softer flex (without the tongue stiffeners) will be better. And then if you feel you need them stiffer for when you go on a tour or split-boarding, you can place those tongue stiffeners in. You can do the same with the Verse, but the Verse without stiffeners will be stiffer than the infuse without stiffeners
The Verse is setup more for backcountry missions, with the zipper cover, and has that little bit of extra response. So, IMO, it would be a little better for that side of things. But for the resort, particularly with more freestyle aspects, I’d much rather have the Infuse. Whereas I’d only slightly rather the Verse over the Infuse for more big mountain/backcountry kind of stuff.
Hope this makes sense and helps with your decision
Thanks a lot Nate. After reeding your reviews I truly felt well informed and with this personal touch it made it even better. I will go for the infuse, in particular because of two things you mentioned:
– they will be an easier adjustment to the boots I was used to; and
– you only slightly prefer the verse over the infuse for big mountain/backcountry.
Many thanks!
You’re very welcome Philip. Hope you have an awesome season!
Hey Nate,
Question on sizing – do the Vans Infuse and Burton Ion (assuming the speed lace and boa fit the same) have similar sizing? I.e would you go the same size for both?
Thanks
Chris
Hi Chris
Thanks for your message.
Yeah for me they both fit in a US10. I own the Infuse (in the 10) and they did take a good while to break in. Longer than I’m used to, so for that partucular model, I think I could have gone 10.5, but usually for Vans certainly 10s and the Infuse broke in eventually.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
I enjoyed the article. I have some questions that maybe you could help with.
I am planning to buy Jones Explorer(159) snowboard. And I can’t still decide which bindings would be the best fit for the Explorer: Union Atlas, Union Force or Burton Cartel.
I would like to ask you which bindings do you think would work the best for Jones Explorer? And also which of the boots that you have listed in your article would work with that setup (My boot size is 9US – 27cm)?
I am hoping to find a boot that is of the flex rating you chose when reviewing the boots above, and that are both comfortable and responsive. If you can think of boots that would couple with the bindings along with align with the factors I mentioned above, I would love to hear your opinion.
Also, let me know if you have in mind some other bindings that should be good for Jones Explorer.
Thanks!
Hi Hristijan
Thanks for your message.
All of the bindings you’ve mentioned would work with the Explorer, IMO. I would rate the Explorer a 6.5/10 in terms of flex, and I would rate the bindings as follows, in terms of flex:
Atlas: 7/10
Force: 6/10
Cartel: 6/10
So, I think all would be a suitable flex match, for sure. The Atlas probably the best flex match, as I would usually lean towards slightly stiffer rather than slightly softer for bindings, relative to the board’s flex. But really, I think the Cartel and Force would work well for this board, too.
Which one is best for you depends on what you value the most – response or board feel. In terms of response, I would say that the Atlas is the most responsive, but the Force and Cartel not far behind. The Cartels have the best board feel of the 3, IMO. And I found the Force to have just slightly better board feel than the Atlas, but they’re fairly similar.
In terms of comfort and shock absorption, I would rate the Cartels the most comfortable and the most shock absorbing of the 3. But the Atlas and Force are both comfortable themselves and have decent shock absorption too.
In terms of boots, the same goes for flex, and I think something with a 6/10 or 7/10 flex is a good way to go, so this list is a good place to be for that. In terms of comfort and response, check out the score breakdown for the boots in this list for what I thought. But remember that everyone’s foot is different and what’s comfortable to you could be different to what’s comfortable for me. If there’s any chance you can try on, I would highly recommend that, but if you can’t, if you can let me know if you have wide feet, narrow feet or medium width feet and also if you have high arches or flatter arches. Then I can recommend a brand that might fit well.
Hope this helps with your decision
Thanks for your reply Nate, it helped a lot!
I guess I’m going with the Atlas bindings.
I have few shops near and they only sell Burton, Thirtytwo and Nitro boots.
So I was thinking maybe Burton Photon, Imperial or Ion. And I don’t know much about Thirtytwo ‘s boots. Can you recommend some Thirtytwo boots?
Also I would say that i have medium feet and medium arches. I had Burton Moto boots before and I felt comfortable wearing them.
Thanks!
Hi Hristijan
Thanks for your message.
If you know that Burton boots have fit you well in the past, then they are a relatively safe bet. Not all models will fit exactly the same, but usually a certain brand will fit similar between models. I would say Imperial (6/10 flex) or Ion (7.5/10 flex) would work well. The Photon is more like 8/10 flex, so a little stiffer. Burton SLX (7/10 flex) would be a great option too, if you have the budget, but they are very expensive (though the Ion is too).
I find Thirty Two boots fit me well and are very comfortable. I would say that the Binary Boa (6.5/10) Lashed Premium (6.5/10), TM-3 (6/10) and TM-TWO (7/10) would be good options. Note that there’s the “TM-TWO” and the “TM-TWO XLT”. The “TM-TWO XLT” would be too stiff (9/10), IMO.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Thank you very much for your help!
I have one more question. I’m 175cm and 27cm boot size and 62kg weigh. Do you think that Jones Explorer 156 or 159 is better for me?
Thanks!
Hi Hristijan
For your specs I would usually say something around 152, 153, but for this board it’s a good idea to go a little longer. So the 156 would be a good option. At 62kg, I certainly wouldn’t go as long as 159, but 156 should work well for this board, for you.
Hope this helps
Hi Nate,
Love using your site to help me narrow down options when picking out gear! I’m finally upgrading some of my equipment and am struggling on what to do. I’m 6’1 at 175 and I have been riding a Yes Typo (158) with Burton Rulers (10 US) and Burton Custom bindings.
I have recently purchased a Yes Basic Decade (158) and am trying to figure out what bindings and boots to go with the board. I’m an intermediate/advanced rider and I ride mostly in the Tahoe area. I prefer carving in trees, moguls and small to medium jumps/side hits. I rarely if ever do any jibbing. I have tried on the Adidas Tactical ADVs in 9.5 and although they fit well in the store, moving around in them caused them to be uncomfortable. I have very high arches in my feet and the tongue was pressing down on the top of my foot. There was also a pressure point on the back of my heel when I leaned forward. I did try on the Adidas Samba ADV and found them to be way more comfortable but I am worried they might be too soft for the board. With my high arches and stiff(ish) board (7/10), do you recommend a boot/binding combo?
Thanks,
Adam
Hi Adam
Thanks for your message.
I haven’t ridden the Basic Decade, so I couldn’t say for sure, but in my experience YES flex ratings tend to be on the high-side, so I would guess that the Basic Decade would be no more than a 6/10 in terms of flex, but couldn’t say for sure.
I would rate the Samba a 5/10 in terms of flex. So it’s close. Maybe just on the soft side, but not far off.
In terms of high arches, I have a flat left foot and a semi-flat right foot, so I don’t have that issue, so I don’t really get a feel for boots that have higher or lower arches. I have been told by someone who does have high arches that they can’t get into Vans boots, so that’s one I would definitely avoid, but outside of that I’m not sure. Did you try the ADV in a 10 as well? Or just the 9.5? I’ve heard others say to go half a size down for Adidas, but for me they tend to fit best true-to-size. Best bet is to try some more on to see how they feel for your arches. But in terms of flex, going with something around a 6/10 would be a safe bet, though you could get away with a 5/10 (like the Samba). Also, if you find your Burton rulers to be OK with your arches, then there’s good chance other Burton boots will also feel good there. Something like the Burton Imperial would be a good flex match, IMO.
For bindings, again looking at something around 6/10 or 7/10 in terms of flex would be a good way to go. Or 5/10 but that would be my third choice.
Check out the following for some options.
>>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Hope this helps with your search
Hi Nate,
Brilliant site, and great reviews for all standards of rider, and I have found it all immensely helpful so far.
I have narrowed my first board, bindings and boots down to the Yes Basic board at 156W, with the Now x Yes bindings (I have read that you don’t / can’t review the Now equipment, matched up to the Adidas Response ADV boots.
I am going into my second season of ‘boarding (at the ripe old age of 49). Managed to get a good number of days in last year, at 15, so am looking to progress quite quickly with more days on the slopes this winter (hopefully up to 20)
Based on your honesty and expertise, I went for the 156W board because I’m 5’10”, weighing around 75kgs, with size 10 feet (has to be a 10 because I have VERY wide feet), and I know the fit on the Adidas is good for my feet at that size….as all of my trainers are Adidas, in size 10 (and I have about 20 pairs)!
I went for the Now x Yes bindings because I wanted to “feel” the board with the extra stiffness in the bindings and boots, and am hoping they will last a few seasons.
Possible future purchases will be another Basic board, but in the 159W length, specifically for off-piste riding, but by then I’ll probably be “feeling” everything a bit more.
Thanks again for your honest, and helpful advice. Great work, and enjoy the slopes.
Hi Steve.
You’re very welcome. If you think of it, let me know how you get on once you’ve had a chance to ride with your new setup. And when you look to grab gear again, feel free to ask for any recommendations/opinions. Happy Riding!
Hi Nate
This will be my 4th season in snowboard, about 7-10 days per season, but a I planing to do more. Last season a started to stretch my boundaries in Powder. I like to carve on the slope as well. I’m about the buy my very first boots (till now a i was renting, mostly one of Burtons speed Zone system boots). But i felt those too soft, probably because those was realy used.
The Ride Triad, and the Ride Fuse catched my eyes.
What is your opinion about these boots, is there a main difference between them, witch should I buy, or is there any other boots in your mind?
Thanks,
Viktor
Hi Viktor
Thanks for your message.
I’d say the main difference between the Triad and the Fuse is that the Fuse is a stiffer, more responsive boot. I’d say the Triad is around a 5/10 flex, maybe even a touch softer than that, whereas the Fuse is more like 7/10. So Triad are going to be a more playful softer feeling boot. Though I imagine they will have a bit more stiffness than hire boots. The Fuse are a more aggressive/responsive boot.
I would say ability level on the Fuse is more upper intermediate to advanced and upper beginner/lower intermediate to advanced for the Triad.
With the days you have under your belt, and the style that you’re describing, then something between 5 & 7 in terms of flex will work well. If you get a chance to try boots on, then I’d highly recommend it as everyone’s feet are different – so in terms of fit, it’s hard to tell without trying them on. One thing is that Ride boots tend to be good for normal widthed feet, but if you’ve got wide feet less suitable.
Hope this helps
Thanks nate, it helped!
I had a chance to tri these boots, and a will try the last seasen’s Nitro Thunder, and the new Nitro Anthem and Nitro Venture.
Any thought about these.
It’s harder than i thought to buy the first pair of snowboard boots.
Thanks Again
Viktor
Hi Viktor
I don’t know a lot about Nitro boots, unfortunately, but based on specs, they all fall in that 5-7 flex range. The Thunder being the softest most playful option (5/10) and the Venture the stiffer, more aggressive option (7/10), with the Anthem in between (6/10). I have no idea about fit for Nitro boots, but since you’ll get a chance to try them on, you’ll get a feel for how well they suit your feet/ankles/calves.
Nate
Are the Van’s Infuse Boots big or small footprint? Other review sites say they’re low profile like Burton and Adidas but you have them ranked as a 2 in low profile which I assume means they’re larger then average for the boot size
Hi Ryan
Thanks for the message. And thanks for pointing that out. The Infuse (and other Vans boots) are low profile these days. I apologize that score has leaked through the cracks from old Vans boots. So yeah, of the brands that I look at Adidas, Burton, Vans and Ride tend to be the lowest profile, Infuse included.
As an example the outersole length on my Vans Infuse (size 10) are 2.5cm longer than the Mondoprint. Mondo on the 10s is 28cm and the length of the outersole is 30.5cm. The lowest profile that I’ve measured is the Adidas Tactical ADVs which had just a 1.7cm difference. The longest boots I’ve measured were 4.5cm difference between Mondo and outersole. So yeah, Vans are up there in terms of low profile these days.
Hope this helps and thanks for pointing that out. I will be updating this list for the 2018-19 season soon, and I’ll make sure that it’s corrected then.
Have you ridden both the Infuse and the Tactical ADVs? I currently have the adidas which are super damp and pretty responsive but you do lose some board feel because that boost is so cushy.
Was wondering how you’d compare the response of the Van’s with the tongue stiffener in and power strap tight.
I had the Acerras too but they just were not comfortable so went with the Tacticals. Did not even think about the Vans but am always looking for additional options to add to my line up
Hi Ryan
The Infuse have better board feel, IMO, but are still pretty cush. Response-wise, they are the equal of the ADVs – and with both tongue stiffeners in each boot, I’d say probably even just a bit more responsive.
Just note though that they are a very different fit. The Infuse are narrower in the toe box (so if you have wider feet, then the ADVs will be a better fit). They also have less room for the top of your foot. I’ve heard people with high arches say that the top of their feet are squashed in them. I’ve got pretty flat feet, so they’re fine for me, but if you’ve got higher arches, that might be an issue, fit-wise.
If possible always a good idea to try them on first, but if you can’t then keep those things in mind.
Awesome thanks for the heads up on the sizing. Cant wait yo read your new gear reviews
You’re very welcome Ryan
three boards for all mountain freeride, carving (no euros), small natural jumps.
1. lib tech t rice pro 161.5
2. capita mercury 159
3. Standard Yes 159
6’0ft, 190lbs, 12 boot.
Any recommendations for a low profile boot and bindings to match best board for purpose? thanks
Hi Trent
Thanks for your message and apologies for the slow response (currently preparing for the imminent arrival of the birth of my son!)
I wasn’t sure if you are saying you have those 3 boards and looking for a boot to match – or if you’re also asking for my opinion on the board? But anyway, in terms of boots:
I would say that anything from this list that’s low profile (Adidas Tactical ADV and Response, Vans Infuse and Burton Ion) would all suit any of those boards. Possibly I would say the Infuse and Ion are better for the T Rice Pro and Mercury just because they’re a little stiffer and will provide more power to drive those boards, but the Adidas options would work too – and they should all work well with the Standard. But most importantly, IMO, is fit. The best fitting out of those 4 options, would be what I would go with. If you can try on, that’s the best option, but if not then – if you have wide feet, then go with an Adidas option. If you have high arches avoid the Vans Infuse.
In terms of boards – assuming you don’t own those already – I would say that the Mercury and the T Rice Pro would be pushing it in terms of being too narrow normally, but going with low profile you should be fine, assuming you don’t ride with too straight a back foot – e.g. if you ride with angles like +18/-3, you might still be pushing it width-wise but otherwise you should be OK, IMO. The Standard should be fine regardless, IMO.
In terms of length, I think those sizes would all be a good fit for you.
In terms of the style of the boards, I would say that:
1. The T Rice pro is the most aggressive, followed by the Mercury, followed by the Standard.
2. The T Rice pro is behind the others when it comes to powder, IMO
3. The Mercury is the most freeride oriented followed by the Standard and then the T Rice Pro which is the most freestyle oriented
4. I preferred carving on the Mercury and Standard but the T Rice Pro is a good carver too. With the extra length and effective edge you would get going with the 161.5 T Rice Pro, it would be closer
5. In terms of jumps, I would say they’re all pretty good in that department but in terms of small natural jumps, I think the Standard would be choice of the 3.
For bindings, check out the following:
>>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings
Which would all be a good match, IMO, for those boards.
Hope this helps with your decision
Appreciate the response and congrats on the newborn!
Went with the Mercury 159 cm board ( 2018 was 449 cad so pretty good deal here) . foot appears to fit well in 11.5 (will try 11 but doubt it) so ill try several of the suggested boots at a local store. take care!
Thanks Trent! And you’re very welcome. Hope you enjoy your new gear!
Hello,
I enjoyed the article; it was really informative. I have some questions that maybe you could help with… and possibly give your opinion on.
I am planning to couple Union Atlas bindings with a Capita Mercury board and was looking for all-mountain, double boa (by preference) boots that would work well with the Union bindings.
I am hoping to find a boot that is of the flex rating you chose when reviewing the boots above, and that are both comfortable and responsive. If you can think of boots that would couple with the bindings along with align with the factors I mentioned above, I would love to hear your opinion. Also, let me know what you think about the board/bindings if you’re familiar with them.
If there are factors I should consider more than others when picking a boot, please explain in detail if you would.
Thanks!
Hi Shane
Thanks for your message.
First of all the Mercury is a very nice board, IMO. And the Atlas are good bindings and a good match for the Mercury.
In my opinion, everything on this list would work with Union bindings and with the Mercury. Really it would just be making sure you got the right sized Union bindings for both board and boots. If you’re not sure, let me know your boot size and the size of the Mercury you are looking at.
So, the Burton Ion, K2 Maysis LTD (or regular Maysis) and the Adidas Response would all be a good match to that setup, IMO.
A couple of other options that didn’t quite make this list are the Ride Lasso and the Salomon Synapse Boa.
I would say that the most important factor for boots is that they fit your feet well and are comfortable for you. So, if you can try them on in person before buying, even if you end up buying online, that’s the best way to go – and if you can’t find a particular model in a local shop, try something on from that brand – they may not be the exact fit of the model you’re looking for but should be close. Part of fit is comfort and part of fit is heel hold too.
After that, the most important, IMO, is matching the flex to the rest of your setup.
So fit and flex are the most important, IMO. Then shock absorption, traction, on and off ease, that sort of thing are secondary and more or less important depending on how you like to ride. E.g. traction is less important if you don’t do any hiking in them (though still nice to have in an icy car park!) but if you like to hike the backcountry, then traction becomes more important.
Hope this helps
Hello Nate,
I am searching for the snowboard&boots and some help from you. Mostly I am All-Mountain-Freeride rider, I like doing tricks, jumps…, but in my area there are no snowboard parks so I am usually combining groomers with off the lane, forest riding. I think I am less beginner and more intermediate rider.
Recently I bought Rome 390 Boss bindings, as I had a good offer and now I am searching for the snowboard and boots.
What I like is GNU Carbon Credit BTX Asym snowboard, and I wanted to ask you if it can go with those Rome bindings and what boots do you suggest with those two?
Also please suggest maybe some other board&boots according to what I have described above and which could fit these Rome bindings.
Thanks a lot in advance!
Keep it rocking!
Hi Dalibor
I think you could match the 390 Boss to the Carbon Credit – the Carbon Credit is going to be a softer flex (4/10 I would say) than the 390 Boss – which are rated as 6/10 – not a binding that I’ve tested so I can’t attest to that flex rating but let’s assume that’s fairly accurate. Going a little stiffer with bindings on a slightly softer board (so long as they’re not too far apart) is usually fine in my experience. I don’t like it the other way around – i.e. a softer binding on a stiffer board, but a slightly stiffer binding on a softer board is fine, IMO.
For boots, again, I think going the same or just slightly stiffer than the board, is a good way to go, so anything from 4/10 to 6/10 would be fine, IMO. Checking out the following lists would be a good place to start.
>> Top 7 Beginner Boots
>>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots
Hope this helps
I’m an instructor and curious what I should get that’s very durable but still comfy. I’m an advanced/expert rider.
Hi Travis
Unfortunately, I don’t really make judgement on durability. I don’t tend to have gear for long enough to know how durable it will be (apart from gear I own myself of course).
As an expert rider, you would probably appreciate something relatively stiff, but at the same time as an instructor, I imagine you are often riding at pretty slow speeds, which is where something a little softer would be better in terms of getting better maneuverability at slow speeds. But I’d say not too soft – so I think you’re in the right place on this list – unfortunately I can’t really give you any opinion on durability.
Hope this helps
Which is the most comfortable one for men?
Hi Lenny
Comfort depends largely to what fits your foot the best. Everyone’s feet are different. Some liners are more plush than others, some have more dampening in the soles, which affects how comfortable they are when they ride – and the way the boot conforms to your foot, certainly all play a part. But if you get a boot that doesn’t fit your foot properly, then it won’t be comfortable. Fit is the most important thing.
Hello Nate,
Debating on 3 boots for my Salomon First Call board with Salomon Alibi Bindings….Ride Lasso, Ride Fuse, and or Adidas Response? Maybe you have another boot in mind that would work better for my set up? Thanks for reading bud.
Hi Nick
I think they would all work with the First Call. The First Call is a mid-flexing board and those boots are mid to mid-stiff flexing and it’s always good to try to get a close flex match. I would say Fuse 7/10, Lasso 6/10 and Response 6/10 – I know Ride rate the Lasso 7 as well, but I just felt it was a little softer than that. The Alibis are what I would call a 7/10 flex. So those boots will match your setup well, IMO. If the boots and bindings are a little stiffer than board, I usually find that’s fine – I just don’t like it the other way around – softer boots/bindings with stiffer board doesn’t work for me.
If you you can try them on in store at all, that would be ideal, just to make sure they fit your feet well – different brands usually fit a little different and everyone’s feet are a little different (i.e. high arches, flat feet, skinny ankles, wide feet etc).
Hope this helps
Thanks Nate,
I did try on the Burton Imperial’s and those felt pretty darn good as did the Ruler. Lasso’s felt a bit uncomfortable in the calf area when walking and couldn’t find a shop with Ride Fuse or Adidas Response bummer. So I may go with the Imperial or Ruler.
Hi Nick
Yeah if you know the Burton’s fit well, then that’s a pretty safe bet. Likely that the Fuse will fit similar to the Lasso – though they can fit differently within brands. Without being able to try on the Adidas Response, it would be a gamble, especially when you know that the Burton’s feel comfortable.
I’d say that the Imperial’s are probably the better option (but cost a bit more too). I’d say that the Imperials are about a 6/10 flex and the Ruler’s are more of a 5/10 flex. I think I like the sound of 6/10 for your setup – but you could certainly go 5/10 and it would be fine – so Rulers are a possibility, but I think the Imperials have just the bit more response.
Hi Nate,
Seems like you give some great advice and really care about helping people choose the right gear.
I am considering getting new boots and bindings. I am currently riding older salomon F20 and very old burton c16 bindings on a ’13 never summer cobra. Lately I am realizing the c16s are digging into my calfs a bit.
I ride most terrain, love powder in the trees, small jumps except I don’t do rails or boxes and such. I have been looking at the burton concord and salomon dialogue, both with double boa. What do you think of these 2 boot options with burton genesis bindings on a cobra?
Thanks in advance,
Mike
Hi Mike
I think those boots and bindings would be a good match with the Cobra. They’re all around that mid-flex range. I find the Genesis super comfortable so there shouldn’t be any comfort problems there.
If at all possible it’s best to try boots on before you buy – just to get that fit right – everyone’s feet are different and each brand fits slightly differently. Even if you can’t try a particular model on in person, it’s a good idea to try that brand.
Since you already have Salomon boots and assuming they fit well, then that’s probably the safest bet, if you’re unable to try on in person. I mean they would have changed since the F20s, but still should fit similarly. Well done for having boots last so long! But best bet is to try on in person.
In terms of flex/response, both the Concord Boa and the Dialogue will be similar in terms of flex and response as the F20s had when they were new – but they’ll probably feel stiffer/more responsive than them now as they would have softened up a bit over time.
Hope this helps.
Hi Nate,
Thanks for the quick response.
Yes, I totally agree with always trying on boots, which I had, I just forgot to mention that. I tried both and they are both pretty comfortable. I am interested in these 2 because they are both mid-flex, comfortable and both have dual zone boa. I tried them on again today and I think the Burton are a bit more comfortable and I think I like the feel of the new England rope over the steel cables. So I’m pretty sure I am leaning towards the Concord. Too bad too cause I had a pair of last year’s dialogues lined up for $175 but if I get the concord’s, at least I will be getting $50 off.
So now I’m trying to decide between the Cartel and geneisis bindings…haha.
Regarding boot to binding fit….assuming I go with the concord’s and either cartel or geneisis would you suggest large or medium bindings? I tried the boots on today and slipped into a medium and a large binding. The medium rubbed a little on the sides of the boot in the back around the heel area of the outsole of the boot. And the front of the boot hung over the gas pedal a little even with it all the way out but it seemed it would function fine. I would just want to make sure I have enough power over my toe edge. The large binding of course easily fit but it seemed the structure was a good deal deeper front to back than the medium. Not much toe overhang without any extension of the gas pedal. What do you think? I know I just gotta decide my maybe you can give me some of your thoughts to consider. Will the different size bindings cause the board feel to be a little different or any other things like that to consider?
Thanks,
Mike
Hi Mike
I do find that Burton bindings do tend to fit pretty snug in the heel end of the boot – but this is a good thing, so long as you’re not actually having to force your boot in there, and potentially cause damage to your boots. It should still go in relatively easily. I have size 10s too and I prefer medium Burton bindings and find that my heels do fit snug but not to a point that I’m having to force them in there. I can definitely still ride Large Burtons though, but I prefer Medium. But yeah, I do out the gas pedal out most of the way. I don’t have Burton boots, so they won’t be exactly the same heel-wide – but Burton’s sizings are based on their boots, and they recommend up to 10s for the medium, so I think it would be fine.
A reasonable amount of toe overhang over the end of the gas pedal is fine.
With 10s, you really can go either way. If you’re worried about the rubbing, then go Large but otherwise, I’d say medium.
The other thing is if you were on a wider board, then going large would potentially give you more leverage on the edges as the bindings would get closer to the edges but usually in that case you would have larger boots and would go large anyway. The Cobra 161 should be fine with Mediums.
In terms of going Cartels vs Genesis, it’s a close call. The Cartels are mildly stiffer (6/10 vs 5/10 on the Genesis) but the Genesis are more comfortable and I find they have just a little more board feel (but both bindings have great board feel). The Cartels are cheaper too, which is a plus. Typically I’d say if you’re leaning more towards freestyle, then go Genesis and if you;re leaning more Freeride, then Cartel.
Hi!
Which is the best for skinny ankles? I need one boot for skinny ankles and reduce footprint like burton or adidas.
Thanks
PD: Use all mountain frestyle
Hi Roger
In terms of something that’s good for skinny ankles, I think something with a double boa system is a good way to go. They usually produce the best heel hold. And if you’re looking at good reduced footrprint then yeah, Burton, Adidas, Ride are a good way to go. And Vans are also doing well, in that respect too.
I think in terms of boots with great heel hold and reduced footprint, the Vans Infuse Boa (medium-stiff flex) is a good choice. This is a mixture of traditional lacing and boa but has great heel hold with that boa working on the ankle. Or Vans Aura (medium flex). Some options from Ride are the Ride Trident (mid-stiff),
and Ride Lasso (medium flex).
Or if you want something Burton or Adidas, then the Adidas Response ADV (medium flex) or the Burton Photon Boa (mid-stiff), Burton Ion Boa (mid-stiff) or Burton Concord Boa (medium) could work for you. Since you’re looking at all-mountain-freestyle you might want something more mid-flex, so maybe Aura, Response ADV, Concord Boa or Lasso would be the best choices. But you could go more mid-stiff if you felt like you wanted something a bit stiffer.
Hope this helps
Hey Nate,
I just got hired to work as a terrain park attendant (Park crew worker) at my local mountain. I have been in desperate need of new boots any ways but wanted to get you opinion. Because I am going to be on and off my board 50/50 all day, would you recommend a stiffer boot or a softer boot? I have been interested in the K2 Maysis for a while now. What do you think I should do? Any other suggestions would also be helpful, want to invest in a really good pair that suits the work I will be doing.
Thanks,
Spencer
Hi Spencer
I can’t say I’ve ever worked as a terrain park attendant, so I couldn’t say for sure. But if it involves testing out the features, then I would say something softer is going to be better for testing out rails, boxes etc. But something stiffer better for testing out the large jumps. I know that doesn’t help!
In terms of getting on and off your board all day, I’m not sure that stiff or soft would matter too much. I guess the only thing is if you’re riding short little bits slowly and then stopping and getting off and then riding another short bit and stopping and never really picking up speed and have to do that a lot during the day, then something softer would be better – just because a softer setup tends to be easier to maneuver with at slower speeds.
But that’s all just my theory on it, as, like I say, I’ve never actually done that type of work before, so I couldn’t say for sure. Is there anyone on your team that you could ask to see what they prefer?
Hi Nate
What is your opinion on 2017/18 on ride trident? I really like to carve most of the time while I am snowboarding.
Hi Champ
The Tridents are great boots for carving. Just know that they are quite stiff (8/10) – so you’ll want to be an advanced rider. But if you’re at an advanced level and like to carve, then the Trident’s are a great option, IMO. If you more at an intermediate level, then I would recommend something softer flexing.
Nate, what’s the main differences between the Ride Trident and Ride Insano and does the 3rd boa make it worth the extra $100 to go with the Trident. I like a stiffer boot and I like to ride fast. I don’t do the park at all, just fast on groomers, trees and everything else. I’ve been riding the DC Travis Rice boot the past 4 seasons. I currently ride a Lib Tech T. Rice Pro with Burton Cartel Bindings.
Hi Casey
I would say that the main 2 differences are:
1. The triple boa which you mentioned; and
2. The Insano’s are a little bit stiffer
There’s not a huge difference in flex – they’re both pretty stiff. The Insanos rate a 9/10 with the Tridents at 8/10. The DC Travis Rice are rated a 9/10 as well. So in terms of sticking with the same flex, the Insanos are more in line with your current boots (though different brands do feel different in the way they flex).
The Triple Boa just gives you that little bit more in adjustability. You can tweak how tight you want different parts of the boots more independently – but that’s not a big deal, IMO. I class the Insanos as Freeride boots (which the Tridents are bordering on too, but I chose to put them in this category) as well as the DC TRice. You can check out my freeride list below if you’d like.
>>My Top 5 Freeride Boots
But yeah, it depends on how much you value being able to independently adjust as much as possible and also whether you’re willing to go to a slightly softer flexing boot (if you were to go Trident) – all be it not by that much.
Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision.
I went to the store today and checked out the insanos. I’m not a fan of how the toe box and heel are just leather. I’d be worried that the toe would get really beat up from my board resting on it on the chairlift as well as the leather on the heel from being pressed against the back of the binding. I think I’m going to go with this year’s DC t rice boots. They seem way more durable and since my old boots are t rice’s, I know they fit me well and are super comfortable.
Hi Casey
Thanks for the update.
Nothing wrong with going for the tried and true if you know they do the job well for you.
What’s the main difference between the Ride Trident and Insano? I know the Tridents have the 3rd boa, but is it worth the extra cost? I’ve been riding DC Travis Rice boots the past 4 seasons, but want to try out Ride boots this year.
Hi Nate,
I’m trying to decide if getting a stiffer boot is the right approach or whether I should get something a bit softer. I traditionally just ride the mountain but having been venturing into the park a bit more. The boots I’m looking at are the Burton ion or the Addidas ATV to go with the Yes Greats and Burton Genesis, what would you recommend?
Thanks,
Adam
Hi Adam
Sounds like an awesome setup so far with the Greats and the Genesis!
I think the ATV or Ion would go with this setup. To more accurately match the flex of the board and bindings you have, something from the following list would be a slightly better match in terms of flex.
>>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots
But in saying that, if you feel like you want to go a bit stiffer in the boot, if you think that’s something you’ll like, then I do find that if any part of your setup is going to be stiffer, then boots are the way to do it – so you could certainly go with something 7/10 for boots to match with 5/10 board/bindings. Hope that makes sense. I wouldn’t recommend going with a 5/10 boot on a stiffer board – like a 7/10 flexing board – and I don’t like softer bindings on a stiffer board – but stiffer boots on a softer binding/board setup can definitely work.
Personally, I’d probably go with something more like 5/10 or 6/10 in boots for that setup – but some people do prefer a stiffer boot.
Hope this makes sense and helps with your decision
Thanks Nate, I phoned around my local shops and was able to get a pair of the Imperials and AMB for roughly the same price (will return the ones I don’t like). I know you like the AMB from your review but have you tried the imperials? From reading around online it sounds like they’re very similar boots with the imperials being slightly more responsive.
Thanks,
Adam
Hi Adam
I haven’t tried the Imperials but they do look similar. Imperials are slightly more expensive but you’ve managed to get them for a good price by the sounds of it. Having both to try them out is a good way to go too. I’d be interested to hear which ones you prefer.
Thanks Nate, that really helps! So I cant seem to find the right size in the blauvelts, hence I’m now looking at the Adidas samba and the zx 500 also. Did you find Adidas fit true to size or max a half a size smaller then normal in general?
Does this apply to the Nike Vapens also?
Sorry for asking you about 3 types of boots in one post.
Happy Easter by the way!
Hi Prem
Sorry for the late response – had a full on weekend demoing gear and then took Monday off for my fiancée’s birthday.
I find that Adidas boots all fit the same for me – and that was true to size.
Same for Nike boots from memory.
Hey Nate,
I just wanted to ask you about the Adidas Blauvelt boots – how did you find the fit to be?
Are they true to size? Did you go a size or half a size down from your normal shoe size as per your boot buying guide?
I wanted to get your opinion as I can’t get to a store to try these and I’m being told to buy a size bigger then my normal shoe size which is the opposite to what I normally do for snowboard boots – I normally get a size smaller!
Thanks
Hi Prem
It’s hard to say because everyone’s feet are different. Even the same length feet can fit differently because of different shapes and different arches.
In my experience this boot is a 10 for me and I’m a 10 in shoe size. So I didn’t go down. But I didn’t go down for the Vans boots I currently own either – they are a 10. But for some I would go down half a size. That would be the usual for most but this isn’t always the case and brands differ as you know.
I wouldn’t go a size bigger though. I’m not sure who told you that but they probably have something about the shape of their feet that made them need a size bigger. If you usually go a size down, then I would say go half a size down from your normal shoe size or get something that is your normal shoe size.
Definitely make sure that the store you buy from will let you return them if they don’t fit – you want to make sure you get the fit right and if you can’t try on in store, definitely go somewhere with a good return policy. If they have more than one size and you can afford the outlay, then it can be a good idea to grab too pairs and return the pair that doesn’t fit. If you’re really game you could get 3 pairs – one half down, one shoe size and one half up. Otherwise for 2 sizes I’d try shoe size and half down (if available). I don’t think you’ll be going a whole size up or down from your shoe size in this case. But like I say it’s hard to tell, as every foot is different. Just make sure you go with a good return policy and that lowers the risk.
Hope this helps
ami say something about ride lasso ?
Hi Rico
Re your comment on the other post, I will compare the Lasso to the Trident.
The Lasso are softer flexing than the Trident. They are more of a medium flex (6/10) compared to the Trident’s Medium-Stiff flex (8/10).
I think that they would go well with your setup which is all around that medium flex (your Cartels and your Lib Tech Travis Rice Pro). They will be more forgiving than the Trident’s but will also be less responsive.
They are low profile (like the trident’s and all ride boots) and have a similar amount of shock absorption. They are suitable for anyone intermediate and up – whereas the Trident’s are more for advanced and up.
They are both quality boots – the main difference is that the Lassos are more flexible, more forgiving and less responsive than the Tridents.
Hope this gives you a bit more to go off.
Nate,
I have the Burton Moto and I like the boot, but I feel that I’m starting to need slightly more stiffness since at the end of my limited time last season, there were times when I wanted the boot to respond faster. I have the Flux DS on a Slash Brainstorm (as you may remember) and there’s something in the component chain that feels … slow.
I don’t think I should go from medium-soft to medium-stiff like your picks on this page. Are there any all-mountain boots you recommend for a low intermediate rider like me who needs a true medium flex (I’m guessing)?
Thanks,
John
Atlanta, GA
Hi John
Thanks for your message. I remember your setup (you had the Rome Tour originally I think but you didn’t like it and switched to the Brainstorm, if I remember correctly?).
I agree that moving to a medium would be your best bet.
I would check out the following post. It’s a freestyle boot top 5 but they’re really what I’d consider all-mountain-freestyle (whereas this list is more all-mountain-freeride). The boots in that list are medium flex and I think something there would work well.
~ Top 5 All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboard Boots
If you like your current boots then the Burton AMB might be a good option – the Burton Imperial is also another option (though more expensive than the AMB). But if you’re happy to switch brands, I think anything in there would be good options. 32 tend to make boots that are good for those with slightly wider feet so if you think you have wider feet, then the 32 Binary Boa is a good bet.
Hope this helps
Nathan,
I own a pair of Nike Zoom Force 1’s and they have been serving me great for the last few years. I’m thinking of getting another pair that’s a little bit softer just so I can get more room to move around without affecting my orientation too much. I’ll check these out that you’ve recommended!
Hey Wing
Thanks for visiting. Most of these boots will be slightly softer than the Zoom Force Ones, except maybe the Trident. The Zoom Force Ones are probably about an 7.5 or 8 out of 10 I’d say. So if you want to go just a little bit softer the first 4 boots in this list should be suitable,
If you want to go a little softer than that, check out my top 5 freestyle boots at the link below.
>>Snowboarding Profiles Top 5 Men’s Freestyle Snowboard Boots
Hello Nathanial, If you have ever seen me on a snowboard before you would know I would LOVE to own my own pair or these badboys. I always get rentals at the slopes because I only go a couple times a year. BUT I really like the Men’s All-Mountain Boot, the #5 boot. The color is sick and everything. Which ones would your recommend for a not so good snowboarder like myself.
.. i still have much to learn on the board. lol
Hey Billy
First time I’ve been called Nathanial! But it’s got a ring to it 🙂
Probably a lot of these boots will be too stiff for you if you are still a beginner or intermediate rider. If I was you I would check out my list of the top beginner snowboard boots – they’re cheaper too! Check out my top 5 beginner boots at the link below.
Top 7 Men’s Beginner Snowboard Boots
This is a great write-up – I feel extremely well informed after reading it. I feel very confident that I could choose one of these boots and make the right choice based on the information provided. I really like the Nike boots – I pretty much like all things Nike – one question do they come in a color other than red?
Thanks – Jeff
Hey Jeff
Yes the Nike Kaiju also comes in a black colorway and a white colorway.
Thanks for visiting.
Love the Nike’s! Although the Salomon would be better for a friend of mine. He likes boots that are a little stiffer. I will have to send him to your site and see what he thinks. If it was me, the Nike’s would win. Do any of these boots come in different colors? Possibly the Nike’s in black? Thanks.
Hey Liz – send your friend over – the more visitors the better! The Salomon F4.0 or Ride Trident would be great for that all mountain rider who prefers his boots stiffer.
Most boots come in different colorways – the Nike also come in a black version and a white version in addition to the red one’s pictured above.
Thanks for stopping by
Awesome post Nate! I am not very good a snowboarding, but I try my best, and I really like how you have set up your reviews on this page.
Have you got one for the ladies? My beginner equipment is definitely due for an upgrade, and I’d love to see you review one for the gals.
On a side note, those red adidas look hot! Very low profile, and stylish.
Great review!
Hey Survival Chick – glad you liked the post.
I have some ladies snowboard boots posts in the works currently which are due to be published sometime this month. Come back at the end of the month and there should be a women’s all mountain boots post and a women’s freestyle boots post out.
In the meantime if you are looking to upgrade some of your other equipment (i.e. bindings and board) you can check out the following links to see if anything there is to your liking – the posts below are in the same kind of style as this one.
Best Women’s Snowboard Bindings
Best Women’s Snowboards