The 10 Best All Mountain Snowboard Boots 2022-2023

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1. David says

   September 19, 2023 at 9:48 am

   Hi Nate,

   I ride a Rome Mod Rocker (flex 7) with Katana bindings. Last season I bought a pair of Vans Infuse, however I had lots of pain on both my inside ankle bones and although they were really responsive the pain was spoiling my time on the slopes, so I got rid.

   I would appreciate your thoughts on whether the Dialogue, Photon or Ion would be suitable for my set up.

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   • Nate says

     September 20, 2023 at 1:05 pm

     Hi David

     Thanks for your message. Flex-wise, I think the Ion would be the best bet, but it also depends on how you’re riding. If you’re doing a fair bit of freestyle stuff, then the one downside I’ve found with the Ion is the lack of an articulated cuff. I personally like to have some articulation when I’m doing more freestyle stuff. The Dialogue and Photon would both definitely work with that setup too. Maybe not as pure a flex-match, but still in range – and you get a bit of articulation there. But if you’re mainly bombing, carving, powder etc, then I would go Ion. First and foremost the best fitting boot though. But assuming they all fit your feet well, that’s how I’d approach it.

     Hope this helps with your decision

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2. John McDonald says

   August 11, 2023 at 7:40 pm

   Hi Nate. I have an a flow alpha binding which I think has a flex of 4-5….got these as they were affordable and save my back a bit. Right now I have Burton motos but for the type of all mountain riding I do u should have a stiffer boot. Is it ok to pair my bindings with a 6 or 7 med-stiff boot?

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   • Nate says

     August 12, 2023 at 11:25 am

     Hi John

     Thanks for your message.

     Yeah, you should be good with a 6-7/10 flex to pair with your bindings. A good idea to try to closely match, but doesn’t have to be exact and if anything is stiffer than the other, I find it’s best for it to be boots.

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     • John McDonald says

       August 14, 2023 at 11:09 am

       Perfect thanks again Nate!

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       • Nate says

         August 14, 2023 at 11:44 am

         You’re very welcome John. Thanks for stopping by

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3. Keegan says

   June 6, 2023 at 3:21 am

   Hey Nate
   I’m just getting back into boarding after many years away from the snow. I’m currently updating my gear , and after a quick snow trip to Japan this year my old vans have finally bit the dust. I currently have a jones mountain twin with rome katana bindings, and looking for a suitable boot to match, I was thinking something along the lines of photon, maysis or dialogue. appreciate any advice you have on the best boot to suit that match up

   Thanks
   Keg

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   • Nate says

     June 6, 2023 at 10:02 am

     Hey Keg

     Thanks for your message.

     All 3 of those boots are definitely a match to the rest of your setup, IMO. For that setup I’d be looking at 6/10 to 7/10 flex boots ideally. One thing to note with the Maysis is that while it’s double boa, it has a different system to most double boas. The front boa controls the whole of the outside boot and the side boa controls tightening of the liner around the ankle. Great for heel hold and tightening that heel hold as the day goes on, without having to open up the boot. But not so good for upper and lower boot separation. Just something to note with them.

     But mostly between them, I think it’s the boots that fit your feet the best that will be the best choice. If you don’t have a chance to try any of them on in person, there are a couple of things to do to help make the decision. The best option is if you were able to order all 3 of them – or even 2 of them – and try them on and then return the ones that you don’t want to keep. Of course, making sure that this will work with the return policy for the store you order through. This way you still get to try on in person. It’s a little more work because you have to return a pair of boots, but it’s the most sure way of knowing which will fit your feet the best. If that’s not possible or if you’d rather not do that, then you can also check out our boot fit by brand post here. And it might help, if you know anything about your feet in terms of width, in-step, etc. And could also help with sizing.

     Hope this helps with your decision

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4. marcos ferreira de paula says

   April 5, 2023 at 2:51 pm

   Nate this my last options , k2 maysis or other k2,vans aura pro or salomon dialogue double boa, dialogue lace boa. Thanks for the help, sorry for the questions

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   • Nate says

     April 6, 2023 at 10:06 am

     Hi Marcos

     The Maysis would work in terms of being a good flex match for your setup. The biggest downside I’ve found with the Maysis is that outer boot adjustability is limited. There’s one BOA that adjusts the whole outer boot (the other boa works on the liner), so you don’t get upper and lower adjustability. If that’s not an issue for you, then they would work well, IMO. I really like the Dialogue Lace BOA. It gives you the adjustability benefits of traditional lace and a boa that works on helping crank your ankle back, for better heel hold. It’s the same Flex as the Dialogue, so should work well with your setup too.

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5. Hareesh says

   April 2, 2023 at 10:09 pm

   Hi Nate, can’t thank you enough for putting out such detailed information on the gear. I’m an intermediate rider and currently mostly sticking to groomers. Based on some of your reviews, i got the YES Typo 155 and Union Strata bindings. I’m now trying to find some boots. I tried the K2 Maysis but they felt very stiff and my feet started hurting after a couple of hours of riding. I’ve a slightly wider feet for my size(9). I’m thinking boots in mid-flex range would be a good match for my board/bindings. Appreciate any recommendations you have. One thing i noticed in my riding is that i’m not getting that edge control on the toe side but not sure if it’s because of the boots.

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   • Nate says

     April 3, 2023 at 2:46 pm

     Hi Hareesh

     Thanks for your message.

     Yeah, for that setup, I’d be looking at something in that 5/10 to 6/10 flex range. I’d put the Maysis more at 7/10. So from this list, I’d be erring towards the 6/10 options. For some good 5/10 flex options, check out >>our Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots – and don’t be concerned with the Frestyle label – they are still good for riding all-mountain, just a name to give the list.

     For which brands of boots I find to be wider and narrower, also check out Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands

     Hope this helps

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6. marcos ferreira de paula says

   March 28, 2023 at 6:29 am

   Hello Nate!!! I m from Brasil, is really difficult to buy boots, my sister lives in Miami and i ll buy online, i have small foot Us 7,5, i have some problems with my hell moves, and i have some pain in my right foot, i have capita doa 1,56, and atlas binding, i m looking for confort boots, vans Aura Pro, Salomon dialogue, k2 Enders, what do you prefer?? Or other model boots, I
   m 75 kgs, 1,72 cm, US 7,5. Thanks

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   • Nate says

     March 28, 2023 at 4:21 pm

     Hi Marcos

     Thanks for your message.

     Because you’re having heel hold issues, I would be leaning Ender, as I found them really good for heel hold. And they’re a good flex match to the rest of your setup, IMO. The Dialogues also decent in terms of heel hold and also a good flex match, so a good second choice. The Aura Pro also really good heel hold, but not as good a flex match. Still doable though in terms of flex match, but just a little softer flexing, in my experience.

     Have you measured your foot? It’s possible you’re a different size depending on the brand you go with. If you measure foot and let me know the size I can try to predict what size you’re likely to be for each brand. Also if you can let me know which boots you are currently riding in.

     Hope this helps

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   • marcos ferreira de paula says

     April 1, 2023 at 10:36 am

     Hi Nate, i appreciate yours advice, i measure my foots, its 25 cm both, i dont know with my boots is US 7 or 7,5, my boots is burton concord 7,5, its very difficult to find small boots, i only found vans aura pro in 7 or 7.5 US. thanks Nate

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     • Nate says

       April 1, 2023 at 1:16 pm

       Hi Marcos

       I would say that you would likely not fit into a Vans size 7 with 25cm feet. But you should get into a 7.5. For the Ender and Dialogue, you might be able to get into a 7. It’s a close call. I find I can size those a little smaller than the likes of Vans or Burton, at a squeeze. It may be the case that the 7 is still too small, but there’s a chance with those 2. But if you go with the Aura, I would stick with the 7.5. It’s hard to guess what size will fit best just based on foot length as there are other factors, but hopefully that gives you a little more to go off.

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       • marcos ferreira de paula says

         April 1, 2023 at 1:50 pm

         i found this options, k2 hanford us 7, vans aura pro 7.5 us, Salomon dialogue double boa us 7, and ride insano 7 and 7.5, what do you prefer? Thanks

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         • Nate says

           April 3, 2023 at 2:26 pm

           Hi Marcos

           I haven’t tested the Hanford, but I think that could work well with your setup based on specs. The Aura Pro works but I think the Dialogue is a better flex match for your setup. I think the Ride Insano would be overkill for your setup – they are very stiff boots. Like the stiffest boots I’ve tested.

7. Dave Hightower says

   March 22, 2023 at 12:43 pm

   Hey Nate. Thanks for all of your stellar reviews! They help big time. Got a question for you about what bindings / boots I should look into. I’m 6’4″ 190lbs with a size 12 boot. I’m an experienced rider that prefers mostly freeride / all mountain. My board is a Jones Mountain Twin 162w. I was looking at either the Jones Mercury or the Jones Apollo (might be overkill). Suggestions? (or any other bindings I should look into?) As for boots, should I look for something stiffer or would the board / bindings cover the required stiffness?

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   • Nate says

     March 23, 2023 at 1:19 pm

     Hi Dave

     Thanks for your message.

     As a general rule of thumb, I would try to match the board, boot and binding flex but that’s not a hard and fast rule. If anything, I personally like to err slightly stiffer than board for boots and bindings – or match. I think the Apollo would be a little overkill for the Mountain Twin. Bindings that are too stiff for a board can end up making it feel a bit twitchy sometimes. I think the Mercury would be a really good match.

     For boots, I would look at something in that 6/10 to 7/10 flex range, ideally. Up to 8/10 flex would work as well though. I personally wouldn’t go stiffer than that on the MT though. You’d get away with 5/10 flex too, but I’d be learning 6/10 to 7/10 ideally.

     Hope this helps

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     • Dave Hightower says

       March 23, 2023 at 1:51 pm

       Thank you so much Nate!! I really appreciate the advice. With my current board, which way would you lean if it were between the Jones Mercury or the Burton Cartel X? I’ve been riding for almost 30 years now so I charge pretty hard.

       Regarding boots, I definitely don’t want something too soft. I’m leaning toward the Burton Ion Boa… I’m just not a fan of the price. Would that be too stiff for the MT? Suggestions for other pairings?

       Thanks again for the help man!

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       • Nate says

         March 24, 2023 at 6:12 pm

         Hey Dave

         The Ion BOA would work on the MT. It’s at the stiffer end of what I’d put on that board, but would work for sure. Stiffer boots do tend to be pricier, but the Ions are particularly so. Some other options around that 7.5/10 to 8/10 flex range include:

         – Vans Hi Country & Hell Bound
         – Vans Verse (can go stiffer than 8, in my experience, but can go softer too (removable tongue stiffeners))
         – Ride Fuse
         – Ride Trident
         – Nidecker Kita (more of an 8.5/10 flex feel though)

         Of course there are others, but these are some that I’ve tested in that flex range (7.5-8) that are worth looking at.

         For bindings, I’d personally go Cartel X, largely because I prefer the board feel from them (mostly for buttering and ollies) but if board feel isn’t a big thing for you, then the Mercury are very good bindings.

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8. Viet says

   March 13, 2023 at 2:39 pm

   Hello Nate,

   I mostly ride all mountain and sometimes freestyle. I am considering between Burton Ion Boa or Vans Aura Pro and I cannot decide which one to get. I am not thinking about price of these boots and I am willing to pay for the one that would fit the best for both style. Can you tell me which one is better to get? Thanks
   Viet

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   • Nate says

     March 14, 2023 at 11:25 am

     Hi Viet

     Thanks for your message.

     IMO, the Aura Pro will be better for when you’re doing freestyle stuff. They’re more playful boots, better board feel and better shock absorption. They’re better for performing tight turns at slower speeds etc. The Ion will be better when you’re riding fast and laying into big carves though. I think it would depend on how aggressively you ride when you’re not doing freestyle stuff. And also how big you go with freestyle. If you ride quite aggressively (fast with deep carves) and you go big in freestyle and don’t really do any small, creative tricks, butters, ground tricks etc, then I’d go Ion for sure. But if you’re not someone who isn’t super aggressive when riding the mountain and you’re freestyle stuff is more smaller tricks etc, then I’d go Aura Pro for sure.

     It will also depend on what board you’re pairing with. If it’s a stiffer board, then I would be leaning Ion, if a softer board, then Aura Pro. If you could let me know the board/boards you’ll be using, that would help.

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     • Viet says

       March 17, 2023 at 10:31 am

       Hey, thank you so much for ur help.
       I want to match these boots with capita super doa. Right now I am choosing new bindings and new boots and I am thinking beetween union ultra or strata and burton ion or Vans aura pro.

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       • Nate says

         March 17, 2023 at 2:09 pm

         Hi Viet

         Thanks for the extra info. For the Super DOA, I would be leaning Ion, because I think it’s a better flex match. The Aura Pro would still be doable. In terms of bindings, the Ultra and Strata are more in line with the Aura Pro, but on the Super DOA, I’d want to make at least one of the boots or bindings stiffer, to match the Super DOA better, so again would be leaning Ion. However, there’s one caveat to that and that would depend on the size of your Super DOA and your specs. If you could let me know your height, weight and boot size and the size of your Super DOA, that would also help.

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         • Viet says

           March 18, 2023 at 2:57 am

           Board size is 156. My shoes size is 41, but I dont know if it is true to size so it might be 42. My height is 175cm and my weight is around 70kg. Thanks again!!!

         • Nate says

           March 18, 2023 at 12:13 pm

           Thanks Viet

           I would be leaning Ion, to give that extra drive to the board. Aura Pro would work, but, especially combined with the bindings you mentioned, overall not optimal for driving something like the Super DOA, IMO.

9. Geoff says

   February 28, 2023 at 2:58 am

   Hey Nate,

   Firstly you’re a legend and I appreciate all your amazing in depth reviews. Honestly astounding depth you go into my man!

   I would LOVE your advice on boots if possible.

   I am after a boot to replace my ride Jackson size 10.5.

   I am after a boot that ideally has a small footprint given my boot size. My feet are quite wide too.

   About me: advanced rider – usually ride in Japan so mostly powder and snow surfing.

   I was going to go for a stiff responsive boot like the Burton ion. But I’m leaning towards a more surfy softer flex. I have a Gentemstick board on order and want to embrace that surfy feel I y be powder and laying out some nice carves on the groomers. I have stiff Flux TM bindings.

   Some boots I have looked at include Burton Photon but also like the look of the Kendo for the lace system or maybe swath.

   Vans? Not sure about foot width issues but something like high standard pro.

   K2 look awesome but maybe the boots might be too large given my boot size? Salomons seem to be similar but you’d know a lot more than me about this.

   32s do look nice – any you’d recommend?

   Mate I’m by no means attached to any of the ones I’ve named here. Totally open to what you’d recommend for a nice surfy feel but still can turn nicely. Oh I have a yes optimising 154 too which is obviously stiffer but I am looking to sell that eventually.

   Thanks so much man!

   Geoff

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   • Nate says

     February 28, 2023 at 12:16 pm

     Hi Geoff

     Thanks for your message.

     I have found Burton boots to generally be mid-wide, so I think the Photon/Kendo could work. If you’ve got wider than average feet, I think they’d work for you, but if you’ve got really wide feet, then looking at the Photon BOA Wide model might be your best bet. The Kendo doesn’t come in a wide-specific model unfortunately.

     Vans and K2 are what I would consider medium width boots. They’re not particularly narrow, but not wider than normal either. If you have wider feet, then you’d probably want to go with a wide model. Vans doesn’t have wide options, but K2 has a Maysis wide model.

     Salomon boots are narrow, so I don’t think they’d suit your feet unless you went with a wide model. They do have the Dialogue (speed lace) and Dialogue Dual BOA in wide versions – and that’s a boot that I think would suit what you’re describing well, so that’s an option.

     Thirty Two boots, in my experience, tend to be mid-wide, so they could work. Something like the TM-TWO (around a 7/10 flex) could work, though in my experience it was narrower than other 32 boots I’ve tried. But there’s the TM-3XD could work well and is traditional lace too.

     The DC Judge is another option that would fit the bill well, and is mid-wide too, in my experience. Again not wide-wide but mid-wide.

     Hope this helps with your decision

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     • Geoff says

       March 1, 2023 at 2:51 am

       Hey thanks so much Nate!

       Great insights on what might work with my wider feet.

       I like the sound of the Salomon Dialogue in the wide. Does that boot have a fairly reduced footprint?

       Being a 10.5 I want to go with something that will likely allow me to ride slightly narrower boards. It seems like the salomon may not be too bad but would love to know what you think. If it does fit the bill I really like the sound of that boot.

       Otherwise I’m thinking I may have to go for a Burton as it seems to fit the bill of wider boot and reduced footprint. Which Burton would you be leaning toward for a surfy feel?

       Thanks again Nate!

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       • Nate says

         March 1, 2023 at 11:15 am

         Hi Geoff

         The Dialogue, when I measured them, were roughly average in terms of boot profile. Not particularly low profile but not particularly bulky either. They’re lower profile than other Salomon boots, which is good, but if you’re looking go smaller than average, they weren’t that when I measured them.

         From Burton, the Photon could definitely work (6.5/10 flex by my feel), but if you wanted to go softer, then something like the Swath (5/10 flex) or the Ruler (5/10 flex) would also be a good bet.

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         • Geoff says

           March 1, 2023 at 12:00 pm

           Thanks so much for your advice Nate! It means so much mate, especially for someone who can’t get to shops to try stuff!

         • Nate says

           March 2, 2023 at 3:41 pm

           You’re very welcome Geoff. Happy riding!

10. dd says

    February 18, 2023 at 7:22 am

    Hi Nate. Thank you for your contributions to the snowboard community, it’s greatly appreciated ! I tried to post this question a week or so back but can’t seem to find it so apologies if this is a double post. Just curious what you’d consider the most shock absorbing boot? I see you like the adidas but since they’re out of the game what would you consider the next tier down? I’m looking for a medium stiff all mountain boot to reduce chatter and vibration. Not concerned about big hits as I’m not a jumper but have old knees! Thanks in advance.

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    • Nate says

      February 18, 2023 at 1:25 pm

      Hi dd

      Thanks for your message. Can’t see your other one anyway. I wonder if my spam filter gobbled it up! Though it’s usually pretty good. Thanks for letting me know, so I can look into it, in case there are others that aren’t making it through.

      Yeah, it’s a shame Adidas got out of the game. They made great boots, IMO. And the Tactical ADV and Acerra ADV in particular (which had boost) were super shock absorbing. I’ve been riding the Vans Hi Country & Hell Bound lately and they’ve been really good at absorbing chatter. They have tongue stiffeners – and with them out, they feel like around a 5.5/10 without them in, but with the tongue stiffeners in they feel more like a 7/10 flex.

      The Vans Infuse are also good in terms of chatter absorption, but I felt the Hi Country were just a little step up. Vans in general – the Verse too was really good – though that’s more what I’d call stiff, rather than mid-stiff.

      Some others that I would put in that 4/5 tier (and are mid-stiff) are:

      – K2 Orton
      – Burton Ion

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      • dd says

        February 19, 2023 at 5:35 am

        Awesome, thank you!

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        • Nate says

          February 20, 2023 at 5:14 pm

          You’re very welcome, as always, dd.

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11. Alex says

    February 1, 2023 at 6:42 am

    Dear Nate,
    Thank you for your great advise and sharing your experience. Excellent reviews and feed back! I have read moest of them. And yet, I got a littlebit lost in all the information. Therefor I am hoping for some personal advise.

    Reneqing my gear I bought the Jones Flagship last year. This year new Flow NX2 bindings. I realised that my very, very old Burton Rulers don’t do the work anymore. The heals have to much space. I think there done. Especially, since I want to focus on carving and off piste boarding. Not always hard charging. I don’t need to ballistic for some fun. I am an advanced rider with (medium) small feet.

    With these elements in mind, I am hoping that you can give me some advise on new boots.

    Also, somebody told me that the stiffness reduces after some years. What is your experience/knowledge on that?

    Again, thank you for all the info. Keep up the good work, Nate. Love it.

    Take care,
    Alex

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    • Nate says

      February 1, 2023 at 12:33 pm

      Hi Alex

      Thanks for your message.

      Firstly, boots do tend to get softer over time. Some boots retain their flex better than others – typically higher end boots. Generally I only test boots for a day (after heat molding, breaking them in a bit at home, so they’re at least somewhat broken in) so I don’t get to test how much flex retention for every boot I try unfortunately. But from what I’ve experienced with my own boots, they do soften over time, but to different extents depending on the boot.

      For your setup, I would be looking at at least 7/10 in terms of flex. If you’re Rulers have had a lot of use, they might feel more like 4/10 currently (around 5/10 to start with), so it would be a fairly big leap, but worth it with how you’re riding and with your setup. Depending on personal preference for how stiff you like you’re boots, you could even go as stiff as 9/10 or 10/10 (still in soft boots). Though if a lot of your off piste is in the trees and you need quick edge-to-edge at slower speeds at times, then I wouldn’t go as stiff as that. I would be looking more like 7/10 to 8/10 flex-wise.

      Fit, as you know is super important as well, so getting a boot that works with your feet the best and that’s in the right size for that particular boot is super important. Flex is second to that. There’s no substitute for trying on boots in person, so if you can then that’s the ideal. But even then, there’s some things to think about when you are trying them on. For more on that:

      >>How to Size Snowboard Boots

      And here’s some things about specific brands which might also help to narrow it down a bit.

      Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands

      I’ve recently tested a couple of new brands and haven’t updated that post for them yet, so if you’re looking at brands outside of those just send me a message and I can give you what I know on them (and will try to update that one soon).

      Hope this helps

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      • Alex says

        February 1, 2023 at 12:53 pm

        Thanks a lot, Nate! You definitely gave me a good directions. I am going to do my homework on this 😉

        If I get lost (again), I know were to find you.

        Kindest regards,
        Alex

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        • Nate says

          February 2, 2023 at 4:02 pm

          You’re very welcome Alex. And yeah definitely hit me up if you need anything else.

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12. Ilja says

    December 17, 2022 at 9:39 am

    Hi Nate!
    Love your reviews!

    I was wondering whats your opinion, or have you even heard of DEELUXE’s flex boosters. The plastic slips you put under the tongue of the boot.

    I’m asking because my skill level has outgrown my gear and I find myself needing stiffer boots and bindings. I am buying new bindings: union str, but I don’t really have money for new boots right now as I am an 18-year-old student.

    I’m currently riding a Nitro team gullwing with some nitro bindings and DC phase 2021 boots. Do you think the flex boosters would make the really soft freestyle boots a little better for allmountain or do I need to save for a new pair.

    I would say I’m intermediate and my riding style like I said is pretty much allmountain but more jibby and freestyle oriented. I noticed the boots or the bindings were too soft and don’t give enough responsiveness when riding fast.

    Also, the flex boosters have 3 different stiffness options, which one would be the best?

    Heres a link to them:
    Deeluxe Flex Booster

    If you do not recommend them, which boots would you recommend for me? I’ve been thinking Burton Ruler.

    Thanks in advance! And sorry for the long message.

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    • Nate says

      December 18, 2022 at 4:24 am

      Hi Ilja

      Thanks for your message.

      That’s the first of Deeluxe’s flex boosters, so suffice to say I don’t say I have any experience with them. So I can’t really recommend them or not recommend them.

      My guess, and it’s just a guess, would be to go for the 2K. I think if your Phase are around a 4/10 flex, then going 3K might be boosting them a little too much. For the Team Gullwing, I’d ideally be looking at a 6/10 or 7/10 flex but a 5/10 flex would be OK – which would still put the 3K in that 7/10 flex range (assuming they fairly accurately add 3 to the flex feel) but for how you describe your riding you may not want to go that stiff. If your Phase are well used – if you’ve done a lot of days on them, they may even be feeling closer to a 3/10 flex – in which case if you went for the 1K you might not be boosting them enough. So, I feel like the 2K would be the safer bet of the 3. But again, that’s just a guess.

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13. Colton says

    December 6, 2022 at 6:36 am

    Hey Nate,
    What boots are you riding now as your daily boot?

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    • Nate says

      December 6, 2022 at 3:17 pm

      Hi Colton

      I’m currently riding the Adidas Tactical ADV.

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14. Nomas says

    October 27, 2022 at 2:53 pm

    Hey Nate,

    Quick thing, Ion link goes to speed lace version, not Boa.

    So, I have wide feed, I’m currently using Adidas, but looking for an alternative. It seems like the 32 TM-2 Boa wide and the Burton Ion speed lace wides are the better options.

    Thoughts?

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    • Nate says

      October 28, 2022 at 10:28 am

      Hey Nomas.

      Thanks for pointing that out! Will get that corrected.

      Yeah, if you’re looking for something in and around that 7/10 flex range, then those 2 would be good bets, IMO. I don’t have wide feet, so I haven’t tested them and don’t know how wide they are compared to Adidas, but given that both 32 and Burton tend to be mid-wide, I assume their wide boots are decently wide.

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15. Luke says

    October 21, 2022 at 2:05 pm

    Hi Nate,
    I am looking for an all mountain boot (size 13) to match my new Terrain Wrecker/Genesis combo. I’ll be riding all mountain at a low intermediate level. I think something in the stiffness range of 5-7 would be ideal. I was initially looking at the Vans Infuse without the inserts, but it sounds like even then it would be too stiff for riding at slower speeds and throwing in some freestyle.
    Given that I need a low profile boot, would you be able to make some suggestions to match my board/binding combo? I am currently thinking of the following:
    *Photon (stiffness seems perfect, but didn’t get a great score from you)
    *Vans Infuse (if they aren’t too stiff)
    *Swath (maybe too soft?)
    *TM-Three (not reduced footprint to my knowledge)
    *Salomon Dialogue (not reduced footprint to my knowledge)
    Please let me know your thoughts and feel free to add other suggestions. Thank you so much!

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    • Nate says

      October 22, 2022 at 3:23 pm

      Hi Luke

      Thanks for your message.

      The Infuse come down to around 6/10 flex, by my feel, when there are no tongue stiffeners in it. So end up a touch softer than the Photon and about the same as the TM-3XD and Dialogue.

      The TM-3XD is a little lower profile than average, but not to the same extent as the Photon and Infuse. The Dialogue isn’t bulky, but it’s about average.

      I wouldn’t say the Photon score badly. 84.8 is still a good score and made this list from 30 boots. Every boot in this list is high quality, IMO, or else I would’ve only made it a top 5.

      The Swath are what I felt as a 5/10 flex. So I think they would match well to the TW/Genesis, but you could certainly go stiffer in the boots if you wanted to. Up to 7/10. However, given your level and you want to throw in some freestyle, I think 6.5/10 should be the limit in this case. So, the Swath, IMO, would certainly work, but if you’re wanting something a little stiffer like the others, that makes sense too.

      Hope this helps

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      • Luke says

        October 23, 2022 at 12:29 pm

        Thanks Nate!
        Given that toe drag is very important for me to avoid, I’ll probably stick to the lowest profile boots available since I’m size 13.
        I am between the Photon and Infuse.
        I do have high arches, so I’m concerned the Infuse might be an issue, unless heat holding could help with that?
        If the high arch issue could be mitigated I think the Vans would be the best boot. If not, I might have to go with the Photons. Thanks as always!

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        • Nate says

          October 24, 2022 at 10:35 am

          Hi Luke

          I don’t have particularly high-arches – quite flat feet. So they’re not an issue for me. But I have heard from a few different people that Vans aren’t great for high arches. Heat molding will certainly help – whether it would help enough is hard to say. Also, just got a comment in from someone who has measured some size 13s, which you should see in the comment thread here, you should also check out.

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    • Mat says

      October 23, 2022 at 2:19 pm

      Hi Luke!

      I’d like to chip in here if allowed. I’m also a size 13 and always looking for that footprint reduction among other things. So perhaps my experience will come handy to you.
      Past season I’ve tried/owned many different boots and I have studied and measured footprints on all of them.
      I’ve owned Burton Rules and SLXs and they were both 2.6 cm longer than 31 mondo (size 13).
      I’ve owned Solomon Dialogue and they were 3.3 cm longer than 30.5 mondo (size 12.5) – much to bulky for my liking!
      I still own the 32 TM-2 and TM-3XD. TM-2s are very reduced – 1.8 cm longer than 31 mondo. The TM-3xd are also very well reduced – 2 cm longer than 31 mondo.
      I’ve also owned two pairs of Adidas boots and they are the most reduced out of all.
      So in my true and tried experienced the 32 boots (at least the two models mentioned above) are very nicely reduced and should not be discarded by any means if you have a chance to try them.

      NOTE: I should mention this is all measuerd at size 13 while Nate measures boots in different size and I imagine that’s why he gets different results. I guess the difference between mondo and footprint is not the same across all sizes.

      All the models tested above are 21/22 season models. At the end of the day my favourite boot so far out of all I’ve tried is TM-3xd and I’ll be using it for the whole upcoming season for sure. Not only the footprint but everything else about this boot is amazing to me.

      Also, hi @Nate! Thank you for the updated list and everything. Perhaps you can do a full review of the TM-3xd in the future. I’d love to see your insight about them.

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      • Nate says

        October 24, 2022 at 10:33 am

        Hi Mat

        Thanks for your input – very helpful. Yes, I have noticed that sizing does make a difference to these measurements – when I’ve gone into a shop and measured random sizes. So, your input for 13s is really helpful. Yeah, it’s a shame that Adidas has dropped out of the game, they were always consistently the most low profile I’ve measured. One thing to note with Burton boots, is that they do tend to also have more toe bevel than other brands, that I’ve noticed – which also helps. Will try to get out a full review on the TM-3XD soon.

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16. Zico van Rooijen says

    March 9, 2022 at 5:55 am

    Hi Nate,

    Really stoked about your website the detailed reviews and interesting reads, extremely helpful!

    I am an beginner towards intermediate boarder and in need of some fresh boots as the soles of my (>10yr old) Moto’s recently came off.
    Since this year my setup has been upgraded towards the Ride Wild Life with Burton Mission bindings which feels like an responsive but stable combo.

    As I quite liked the Burton fit both the Swath and Ruler where on my shortlist. After reading some of your reviews the Vans Infuse and Aura Pro seemed ones to consider as well.

    Style: All-mountain
    Height: 180cm
    Weight: 85kg
    Size: 10/10.5
    Preferred fit: somewhat stiffer than the Moto’s I have had

    Which boot do you think will complete my setup best, matches with my posture and could help me develop further?
    Any other suggestions than the ones mentioned above are welcome as well.

    Greetings from The Netherlands and thanks in advance for your help and expertise!

    Best,
    Zico

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    • Nate says

      March 9, 2022 at 11:08 am

      Hi Zico

      Thanks for your messages (I got the previous one, but deleted it just to keep things tidy – and this one had more info in it).

      After reading your first comment, my first thought was the Ruler and Swath – given you want something stiffer than the Moto, but it sounds like your feet fit Burton boots well, I think those are the safest bets – and they’re at a flex level that’s certainly stiffer than the Moto, but still friendly enough for how you describe your level.

      The Infuse might be just that too big a step. Could be doable, but borderline. The Aura Pro, I think would work well for what you’re describing, assuming they fit your feet well.

      Between the Ruler and Swath, there’s quite a big price difference. The Swath is a little more comfortable, has a better sole and would likely last longer – so you’re certainly getting something for the extra money, just depends on your budget as to whether that’s worth it or not. The Ruler is still perfectly suitable for your setup and your level.

      Hope this helps

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      • Zico says

        March 9, 2022 at 11:50 am

        Many thanks Nate, much appreciated.

        I will try and fit both the Ruler and Swath (and if available the Aura Pro as well) at the shop nearby.
        Any other suggestions for brands/ models which I should consider?

        Best,
        Zico

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        • Nate says

          March 10, 2022 at 12:08 pm

          Hi Zico

          If they have them, it would be worth also trying on the Salomon Launch or Adidas Samba ADV – which are both also 5/10 flex, by my feel.

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17. Alfie Shaw says

    February 28, 2022 at 4:17 pm

    Hi, Nate
    My boots broke in the hands (or feet) of a friend and I need a new pair, I have really flat (like really flat) feet and have found it so difficult to find a pair of boots which I can use without cramping.
    I have done some research and some people saying the K2 Maysis is a good boot for this?
    I had a pair of Salomon Dialogues before which were good so maybe off your post the Salomon Dialogue Lace BOA SJ would be better?
    I have done 2 seasons and a fair few holidays before that so am pretty decent. Looking for an all mountain set to do everything on! Can you help!
    Thanks so much

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    • Nate says

      March 1, 2022 at 10:23 am

      Hi Alfie

      Thanks for your message.

      I think the Dialogues could definitely work for you – and the Maysis – with the Maysis being a little stiffer (7/10 flex vs 6/10 flex on the Dialogues, by my feel). Have you tried getting custom insoles? Might help with the cramping if it’s caused by flat feet?

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      • Alfie Shaw says

        March 1, 2022 at 11:45 am

        I have had moulded ski boots and vaguely heated board boots but to no avail. I’ll have a look in to custom insoles, is there anyone you’d recommend?
        I think the slightly more flexible boots sounds good. Thankyou!

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        • Nate says

          March 2, 2022 at 10:38 am

          Hi Alfie

          I haven’t had custom insoles personally, just have heard of others getting them, so I’m not exactly sure and it would depend on the area you’re in, but I think a lot of ski/snowboard shops do them.

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18. Alex says

    February 16, 2022 at 9:44 am

    HI Nate, thank you for the great info on boots (as with everything else)! I wanted to ask what you think I should do, in terms of Boots vs Wide Board or Standard width. I’m a 11.5 US men’s boot. If I go with a reduced footprint boot (like the Adidas), do you think it’s enough to allow me to get into a standard width snowboard or should I still be using a Wide board? I’m 6’0″, and 185lbs, if that matters.

    Thanks again for the great site!

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    • Nate says

      February 17, 2022 at 2:32 pm

      Hi Alex

      I think it’s still pushing it with low profile 11.5s on a lot of regular width boards, but some might be doable. If you were to go the lowest profile, like some of Adidas line and you were on a wider regular width board, then I think it’s doable. Boards are getting a little wider in general these days, so there are quite a few regular width boards, that are in that 265mm to 270mm insert range, in the lengths you would be looking at. Wide’s tend to start around that 270mm at inserts. Depending on binding angles, I think you could get away with something in that range, preferably higher end of that range, but I would want to have a reasonable angle on your back binding (like -12 to -15 sort of thing) and, so long as you were on the lowest profile boots, I think you could get away with it. Some regular width boards in the lengths you are looking at will be around 258 to 264mm at the inserts and I think that would be pushing it.

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      • Alex says

        February 28, 2022 at 2:07 pm

        Thanks Nate. Sounds doable but I would probably be best served sticking to Wide boards. Thanks again!

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19. Dylan says

    February 15, 2022 at 9:22 am

    Hey Nate, thanks for the great write up.
    Curious what boot you would recommend for a narrow foot with a high arch, pretty narrow ankle/calf as well (size 11.5). Not many options around where I live in NY to try some on.
    Looking to replace my Burton Ions (8 seasons old), love them but had to replace liners once already a few years ago and now having same issue (cushion wears down from ankle bone contact). Liking the Adidas ADV but seems like that would be too wide for me. Have read good things about the Salomon Dialogue – would you recommend those? Either boa or speed lace (leaning towards speed lace since my ions have this system) I had a nightmare pair of Flow boas about 15 years ago, so pretty hesitant to go boa again.
    More of a surf freeride focus, not much park but enjoy turning, powder and side hits/small jumps.
    Appreciate your insight and all your reviews!

    Thanks!

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    • Nate says

      February 16, 2022 at 10:13 am

      Hi Dylan

      Thanks for your message.

      The Dialogue was exactly what I was thinking as I was reading through your message. The Dialogue (and Salomon typically) are narrower boots, so I think they would work well. In terms of arches, I don’t have high arches so I couldn’t say for sure but they certainly weren’t low in the arch and I felt like they had a bit more room on the top of the foot than normal – but again without high arches I couldn’t say for sure – but I’d say they’re at very least medium in that respect.

      For you style, I think they would work well too, so I’d be leaning Dialogue for sure. And if you like speed lace, no reason not to go with that. The Dialogue also come in a lace/boa version – which is traditional lace but with a boa that operates on a harness around the ankle of the liner. But you don’t rely heavily on the BOA in that lacing setup – there is a standard lacing harness on the liner as well. But speed lace version is a good option too.

      Hope this helps

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20. Gustav says

    January 26, 2022 at 11:09 am

    Hi Nate!

    Thanks for an awesome site!

    I’m an advanced rider that has been riding for around 25 years. My current setup is getting close to 15 years so I felt it was time for an upgrade. Currently I have a Nitro Pantera 163 with a Cartel and a Burton Twin 157 with Ride Movement (or something similar). Boots are some old Salomon that used to be probably twice as stiff as now and it was still possible to lock the speed lacing :p

    After a lot of research I have ordered a Capita Mercury 157 (181 cm, 80 kg, 42.5 eu)(is it just me or are people riding shorter board now compared to before :P?) and an Union Atlas M. Hope it will be a good “do it all” setup. Possible adding something more freeride oriented for bigger mountains, pow days and bombing later. Only ridden full camber before so I’m looking forward to testing something new!

    I’m wondering what type of boots you think would work best for this setup? I guess footprint is not super important for me being around a 9 in a medium binding? What level of flex should I be looking for? Looking at this list a lot of the boots are rated at a flex level of 6, do you think that is fine or will it be too soft? Plan is to try out some boots but I want to narrow down my scope 🙂

    Burton is easy to find and I have been looking at Photon, thoughts? Other suggestions? Living in Stockholm so the supply should be decent but not great.

    Thanks in advance!

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    • Nate says

      January 27, 2022 at 4:16 pm

      Hi Gustav

      Thanks for your message.

      For boots for the Mercury, I would look at something at least 6/10 flex, but 7/10 flex would be good too, if you wanted to go a little stiffer – and I would err stiffer, particularly if you were to end up adding a stiffer board later and wanted to use the same boots. The Photon (6.5/10 flex by my feel) should work well with the Mercury, IMO, but if the next board you add is stiffer, then I would err stiffer. I think you’d be good on something up to 8/10 flex on the Mercury, and that would allow you a better match with the 2nd board (assuming it was going to be stiffer). I would sooner go with an 8/10 on the Mercury and have it match a stiffer board better than go softer for the Mercury but not be as well suited to the stiffer board (i.e. I find a stiffer boot on a softer board works better than a softer boot on a stiffer board, if that makes sense). So, I think 7/10 to 8/10 flex makes the most sense in this situation.

      For some stiffer options check out:

      >>My Top 5 Freeride Boots

      Yeah, I think people are erring shorter in length than they used to. I think one reason for that is freestyle riding got bigger. And another reason is that new tech I think allows a board to be more stable at shorter lengths (don’t ask me exactly what or how!). That said for your specs, I think you could ride an all-mountain board at around 159/160. But I do think you’ve gone with the best size for your specs for the Mercury as it’s a little wider than average, and with 9s, I think you’re good to size down a little. For your pow/freeride board you could go longer though – and part of the reason you can go longer, is that typically on a freeride board, it has a long nose, so a lot of that length is outside the contact points, which allows you to take advantage of that extra length in powder, but it doesn’t get in the way on hard pack.

      Hope this helps

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21. Gergely Szandi says

    January 25, 2022 at 2:31 am

    Hi Nate! Great sum up as usual 🙂 I would have a question, I’m an intermediate rider, mainly on prepared slopes but going into the woods as well, I was really looking for Vans Infuse, but in my local store I could not give a try, other Vans boots are there but somehow they did not hold properly my feet, meaning I can move my feet up independently how I bind it. I tried Burton Ion which was perfect, but I still want to go for Vans. Any view on that? Thanks a lot!

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    • Nate says

      January 26, 2022 at 5:24 pm

      Hi Gergely

      I would go with the boot that’s the best fit for your feet. There’s a chance the Infuse will fit your feet better than other Vans models, but it’s likely that Burton are a better fit for your feet based on what you’re describing. Typically different models within a brand fit similarly, even if not exactly. I would always go with the boot that fits your feet best.

      Hope this helps with your decision

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22. Greg says

    December 23, 2021 at 9:19 am

    This is such a great site. Exactly what I needed.

    I am torn between 2 boots (size 13). The Burton Driver X and the Ride Trident. Both boots felt great after wearing them an hr around the store. I guess the biggest difference for features is the lacing system (speed lace vs triple BOA). I’m an intermediate-advanced rider. I like speed and control on groomed runs. I like to get into the trees as well. I ride a 162 Lib Tech T.Rice Gold Member.

    It would be great if you could lead me in the right direction.

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    • Nate says

      December 24, 2021 at 5:35 pm

      Hi Greg

      Thanks for your message.

      To me the Driver X is the stiffer of the two boots – though both certainly stiff. But by my feel, the Driver X around 9.5/10 flex and the Trident more like 8/10 flex.

      The Trident I found to be a little better for riding at slower speeds – both more suited to high speeds of course, with their flex, but the Trident a little better for slower, sharper turns (trees).

      The Driver X has better footprint reduction though – which you might need with 13s, even though the 163 Goldmember is wider. So for that reason, I might be leaning towards that one. But both would work otherwise.

      Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision

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23. Justin says

    October 26, 2021 at 9:16 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Thank you for the incredibly helpful research you have done! I recently tried on the (old) 2021 vans infuse and they put a little too much pressure on my inner ankles. I was surprised because nearly everyone says they are very comfortable and I just wasn’t experience any comfort there—perhaps it’s because my ankles are very skinny. Assuming I put them on right and tightened correctly (I very well could have been doing something wrong though), do you have a different recommendation for someone with normal foot arch, but skinny ankles (think 5’11” track and field body type weighing only 150lbs, that might help picture the skinniness haha)? I really want to prioritize having great heel hold and as close to a 5/5 comfort level as possible… thank you!

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    • Nate says

      October 27, 2021 at 11:54 am

      Hi Justin

      Thanks for your message.

      Yeah, that’s definitely the thing with boots, in terms of comfort, is that it is quite subjective as everyone’s feet are different – and not only feet, but ankles and calves as well come into when it comes to fit – and good fit is really important for comfort. Hard to say for sure what will work with your particular ankle/foot/calf. I can only really say what I found comfortable. In terms of heel hold, it’s somewhat subjective too but not as subjective. Some don’t find they have heel hold issues with any boots – and I suspect that’s those with thicker ankles and/or calves. I personally have moderately skinny ankles, so I definitely get the heel hold issue. So the following are mostly based on heel hold, rather than comfort – but they are boots that I found comfortable.

      Of course, the best way to tell if they will be comfortable or not is to try them on in person, but I know not everyone has the opportunity. Even if you can try on something in the same brand that can help. Even boots within a brand have different fit – but it’s a good way to get a closer proximity if you can’t try on the actual boot.

      These are also assuming you’re looking for something around a 6/10, 7/10 flex.

      – Tactical ADV – not the ultimate in heel hold, but definitely still decent. And I’d be surprised if you didn’t find these comfortable. I haven’t heard anyone find them uncomfortable – but there’s always a chance, given everyone’s feet are different.

      – Response ADV – still comfortable, but not quite to the level of the Tactical ADV (by my feel), but a little better in heel hold

      Note that Adidas boots are quite wide, so if you have a narrow foot, they may not work as well.

      – Dialogue Lace BOA SJ or the Dialogue Dual BOA – these are great for those with narrow feet (not sure of the width of your feet). But also fine for regular width feet – I have bang on average feet for their length and I find Salomon boots fit me well. But if you’ve got wider than average feet they’re probably too narrow.

      – Thirty Two TM-3XD – these have great heel hold as I’ve found with most 32 boots. These are more comfortable than typical 32 boots, which I don’t tend to find super comfortable, but you could be different. They aren’t for super wide feet, but good fit for a regular or mid-wide foot.

      – Ion Boa – though only if you have the budget for them!

      – K2 Ender – I found these super comfortable and with great heel hold. Not for wide feet, but right in the middle of being narrow and wide.

      – Deadbolt – Great heel hold and decently comfortable. Again a really in the middle width

      – TM-2 – I found these to have great heel hold, but weren’t overly comfortable – to me.

      I know I’ve basically just listed every boot in this list, but hopefully the notes help. For what you’re describing, I would be leaning K2 Ender or Salomon Dialogue if you’ve got more of a regular to slightly narrower foot width and The Adidas Response ADV, if you’ve got a wider foot (or the Burton Ion Boa is good for a regular to mid-wide foot, if that’s in your budget range!).

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      • Justin says

        October 27, 2021 at 1:52 pm

        These are GREAT recommendations. I’ll try ordering both the K2 Enders and the Salomon Dialogue to see if either of those fit me well! Ideally I would like to be comfortable in them for all day boarding or any end of day stuff like dinner/grocery shopping. Thank you for the quick reply!

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        • Nate says

          October 28, 2021 at 9:42 am

          You’re very welcome Justin. If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on, once you’ve had a chance to try them on.

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          • Justin says

            November 5, 2021 at 8:39 am

            Hi Nate dog,

            I was able to order the K2 Enders, Salomon dialogue, and Vans Infuse to compare them! I found that the Vans probably had the best heel hold, but it was still pretty uncomfortable with a hot spot around both inner ankles. Ender had great heel hold too and was very comfortable with no hot spots at all. The Dialogue fit my foot like a glove and had the best comfort of the 3 (for me), although it felt like their size 10 was more like a 10.5, so I had to order a half size smaller. Anyway, I’ll be returning the infuse and ender, and I ended up choosing the Dialogue for that extremely comfortable fit, even though the str8jkt tech inside wasn’t the best heel hold compared to the others—I think comfort was more important to making this decision! Thanks for the recommendations. I believe I found my next boot for at least a couple years!

          • Nate says

            November 5, 2021 at 11:53 am

            Hey Justin

            Thanks for the update. Awesome that you’ve found that comfort. I should have mentioned that I also have found Salomon to run 1/2 a size large. I’m typically a 10, but prefer 9.5 in Salomon’s. I can ride them in 10 for testing, would prefer them in 9.5 for buying. Going 1/2 a size down should also give you a little better heel hold too.

24. Colton says

    August 4, 2021 at 1:05 pm

    Hey Nate,

    Have you ridden the Ride Fuse boots at all? I have seen a couple reviews where people say they have a reduced foot print. TJ from board archive even said in a comment that they are lower profile than his previous addidas tactical advs but he did go down a size with the fuse. Low profile isn’t necessary for me when I where size 8 snowboard boot. Just curious on your thoughts? I’ve noticed Ride and Salomon boots are saying more things about their reduced foot print boots. Seems to be the trend across the board for the most part.

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    • Nate says

      August 5, 2021 at 4:15 pm

      Hi Colton

      Thanks for your message.

      I haven’t ridden the Fuse, but my experience with Ride boots in general is that they tend to be just that little bit lower profile than the average boot, but not one of the lowest profile. Certainly not as low profile as the Tactical ADVs that I’ve measured. But different boots within a brand can definitely differ in terms of their low-profile-ness (that’s a word, I swear!). Typically boot within a brand will be within a range and not differ hugely, but there is usually variance between models. E.g. Ride boots that I’ve measured have ranged between 2.3cm over mondo (2.3cm longer on the outersole than the mondo of the boot) and 3.2cm. Adidas between 1.7cm and 2.7cm.

      So Fuse could be lower profile than the average Ride boot, but I’d still be surprised if they were as low profile as the Tactical ADV. But if they’re half a size down, then that could certainly account for it.

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25. Mike says

    August 4, 2021 at 9:35 am

    Between the Salomon dialogue dual boa and the burton photon boa , which boot would you pick and why ?

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    • Nate says

      August 5, 2021 at 4:06 pm

      Hi Mike

      Thanks for your message.

      Personally I would go Dialogue Dual Boa, mostly because they fit my foot slightly better, were slightly more comfortable and had a little more shock absorption. Also, they’re a little softer and I really like that 6/10 flex, just slightly more than 7/10 flex, just for the style I ride and the feel I like (for all-mountain riding – I’d go stiffer if I was riding a stiffer board/binding setup and wanted to bomb).

      Some things to note, as everyone’s feet are different. The Dialogue Boa are quite narrow boots. I have average width feet and I found them comfortable, so you don’t necessarily have to have narrow feet for them to fit well, but if you have wider than average feet they may feel too narrow. The Photon Boa aren’t super wide, but what I’d call mid-wide – good for feet that are wider than average but not super wide.

      Also, in terms of the BOA system, there is more overlap in the 2 boas on the Dialogue Boa, which really helps with heel hold, but if you want true independence of upper and lower sections, there is some overlap there. I like having that extra heel hold. My ankles/heels aren’t super narrow or anything, but I’d say maybe just below average thickness, so I like to have a little extra help with heel hold. If you don’t tend to have issues with heel hold, you might appreciate the extra upper/lower adjustability of the Photon Boa.

      Hope this helps

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      • Mike says

        August 8, 2021 at 4:55 pm

        Thanks Nate , that’s super helpful . I ended up being able to try both and went with the dialogue boa based off what you said and that the dialogue boa seemed to fit my foot better . The photons felt a bit too wide for me even though I feel like I have an average foot . The Salomon boots also honestly just felt more premium and seemed to be made of better material which was weird to me as the photons are regularily $50 more . Guess we’ll just have to wait and see how the quality of dialogues holds up and if it’s as good as it looks/feels. Ps keep up the great work !

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        • Nate says

          August 9, 2021 at 11:02 am

          You’re very welcome Mike. Great that you were able to try them on – there’s no substitute for trying on when it comes to boots. Hope they treat you well! If you think of it at the time, let me know how you get on with them.

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26. Aibhne says

    April 4, 2021 at 11:31 am

    Do you feel that the Adidas response boots run true to size or if they run bigger or smaller? I usually wear a size 10 or 10.5 for most shoes.

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    • Nate says

      April 4, 2021 at 2:02 pm

      Hi Aibhne

      I find they run bigger. I typically ride a 10 for snowboard boots but the 9.5 for the Adidas Response (and any Adidas boots). For some brands I need a 10.5. So my best guess would be 9.5 for you. No guarantees, but that would be my guess based on my experience.

      Hope this helps

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      • Andre says

        February 27, 2022 at 3:17 pm

        Hi Nate,
        Great work you’re doing.
        Just came to say unfortunately I had the opposite experience.
        I have about 6Adidas normal shoes and I wear 9,5. I bought the ADV Tactical with same size, and I can’t even put my toes straight inside. Presented a claim to the online shop. It’s so strange..

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        • Nate says

          February 28, 2022 at 11:53 am

          Hi Andre

          Thanks for your message and for sharing your experience. Somewhat surprised but at the same time nothing really surprises me with boot fit anymore – feet are super strange! I’ve heard a lot of different experiences, with fit. Often with the same length feet, but fit quite different – I really don’t know how that works, but feet are weird! Most stores happily refund or exchange, so you should be good there.

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27. Chris Chenoweth says

    March 21, 2021 at 4:46 pm

    Hi Nate,

    I love your website and have to say you’ve helped me immensely when researching snowboarding gear. I’m on the hunt for new boots, as my current ThirtyTwo Lashed XFT are on the way out. They are size 10 and they fit snug, however I’ve discovered that my feet swell after 1/2 day riding and this causes my left foot little toe to jam up against the side of the toe box and pain sets in. My left foot (front foot when snowboarding) is bordering on being 2E width and so knowing all this, I’m looking at the Adidas Lexicon. I’ve heard Adidas boots are pretty wide and have the biggest toe box. My question for you is around sizing, as it seems likely that I’ll have to buy online given how scarce they are to find, and I’m hearing rumours that next season they won’t be selling into Canada. Let’s say I’m a 10 (or perhaps I should be a 10.5) in ThirtyTwo boots, what size would you recommend for Adidas Lexicon?

    For reference I typically take a 11 2E in New Balance runners and I’m 6’2″ 95kg, riding a Never Summer West 162cm with Cartels. I’m based in Vancouver so ride anything from the slush and ice at Cypress, to powder at Whistler and in the BC interior.

    Thanks and keep the reviews coming!
    Chris

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    • Nate says

      March 22, 2021 at 3:45 pm

      Hi Chris

      Thanks for your message.

      I would say that probably 9.5 in Adidas boots. I find that I’m 10 to 10.5 in Thirty Two boots. I’m quite snug in the 10s, but they’re doable. And I’m a 9.5 in Adidas boots for sure. I’m 10 for most boots. But the only thing is that I’m a 10 in shoes, so the 11 in your runners throws me off a little bit. Not taking into account your runner size, I would say 9.5. But with taking that into account, you very well could be a 10. But if you’re 10-10.5 in 32, then typically I would say 9.5 in Adidas. Also note that I have regular width feet.

      Hope this helps

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28. Hans Dieterle says

    March 18, 2021 at 8:50 pm

    Nate! Need your expert advice again my friend. I pulled the trigger on a Rossi Templar 159W and Union Force (L) bindings. Looking for that sweet all mountain medium flex boot to complete the package. Size 12 (maybe 11.5?) definitely not a narrow foot. Past beginner into intermediate rider, but not too intermediate… yet 🙂 East coast terrain. BOA preferred. Leaning towards Thirty Two TM-2. Thoughts, suggestions? TIA!
    Hans

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    • Nate says

      March 19, 2021 at 2:00 pm

      Hi Hans

      I think the Thirty Two TM-Two could work. Depending on how wide your foot is. If it’s particularly wide, you might want to go for a wider boot, but I do find 32’s to be mid-wide. I would say the TM-2’s are about a 7/10 flex, so a little bit stiffer than the rest of your setup, IMO, but if anything’s going to be stiffer then it’s OK if the boots, IMO. However, the only thing would be your level if you are low level intermediate, then something a little softer might be worth looking at.

      I would also check out the following:

      >>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots

      Even though it’s titled “freestyle” there are some good 5/10 flex boots in there that don’t have to be used for freestyle riding. But 6/10 flex would definitely be fine too. 7/10 doable for the setup and doable for your level, but maybe not ideal.

      I think the Adidas Response ADV would be a really good match to what you’re describing, if you have quite wide feet and are preferably looking for BOA. Or the Burton Swath BOA (mid-wide) from the other link from above. Or not on these lists the Burton Ruler BOA (if you wanted something at a friendlier price than the Swath Boa).

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      • Hans Dieterle says

        March 19, 2021 at 3:17 pm

        Thanks Nate, I appreciate the feedback and swift response. Not vibing the Addidas or Burtons too much. If I were to go with Thirty-twos, are there any you’d recommend over or in addition to the TM-2s that would be good in my range? I may not be giving myself enough credit, I can ride pretty aggressively down blues, just a lot I want to work on next season as far as riding switch and trying more freestyle riding. Thanks!

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        • Nate says

          March 20, 2021 at 2:13 pm

          Hi Hans

          In terms of double boa, the Lashed Double Boa would be a good match from 32. I prefer the TM-2 personally, but the Lashed are a little softer flexing. Sounds like you’d be fine in the TM-2s for general riding – just maybe on the stiffer side for working on freestyle riding, is the only thing. There’s the STW Double Boa, which would be great for freestyle progression if you’re just starting out there. But they’re probably too soft for your other riding. So I’d probably be looking at either Lashed Double BOA or TM-2 Double BOA, depending on how easy you want your freestyle riding to be.

          If you were open to going non-BOA, then the TM-3 (though pricey depending on what your budget is) would be the perfect balance of everything, IMO.

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29. Adam says

    March 11, 2021 at 11:30 am

    I have an old burton 165w Mayhem.. I am mostly a black diamond groomer and trees guy. Rarely will I go in the park, like raaaare. My old boots are DC’s that are a good 15 years old and have basically disintegrated. I was looking at the imperial and, salomon dialogues.. But open to anything.. Size twelve.

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    • Adam says

      March 11, 2021 at 11:31 am

      Should I stick to laces or try this new fangled BOA stuff

      Reply

      • Nate says

        March 12, 2021 at 4:06 pm

        Hi Adam

        It depends on personal preference, but I find the biggest pro to laces is that they tend to stay tight longer (particularly if you use the hockey skate tying technique).

        BOAs are easier and faster to deal with – and tidier to work with. And in some cases depending on your strength, you can crank them down tighter. BOA often, but not always, provides better heel hold (when there are two BOAs, then it’s typically better). But I find that BOAs need to be re-tightened more through a day – and when the outerboot loosens a bit so does the liner, so you gotta re-tighten both usually, I find. It’s a small deal – and personally even with laces I like to re-tighten (liner and outerboot) at least once during a day anyway, but I just find it’s needed more often with BOA.

        Hope this helps

        Reply

    • Nate says

      March 12, 2021 at 4:03 pm

      Hi Adam

      Thanks for your message.

      Yeah both those boots would work with the Mayhem, I’d say. It’s not a board I’ve ridden but based on specs, those boots would be a good match, IMO.

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30. PHILIP CLAPP says

    March 1, 2021 at 5:03 pm

    hey nate, how would you compare the burton imperials(my current boot) to the photons. i want an all mountain boot that can charge hard if i want to. my imperials are getting worn out a little. so my next decision is whether or not to go to the burton step ons. with the step ons limited boot options, its either the ions or the photons. and im guessing my current boots would fall right in between the 2 in stiffness. the photons are more money than the imperials which i dont understand why. and ive always been eyeing the ions. any help would be great thanks. size 10.5 if that matters

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    • Nate says

      March 2, 2021 at 12:18 pm

      Hi Philip

      Thanks for your message.

      The Photon is quite a similar boot to the Imperial. The lacing is the biggest difference. So if you were wanting the closest thing to your current boots, but in BOA, then the Photon would be the way to go. The Ion is a little more different. I felt the Imperial at around a 6.5/10 flex, the Photon around 7/10 and Ion at 7.5/10. So I would say that both the Photon and Ion are stiffer than the Imperial, but really very little in between the Imperial and Photon – and you might not notice any difference (except that you will notice a difference between a new Photon and your old Imperials, which likely feel a good bit softer than they did when they were brand new).

      The main reason, as far as I know, that the Photon are more expensive than the Imperial is because of the BOA system. Typically anything with a BOA is more expensive, all else being equal, than the same boot with a different lacing system.

      Hope this helps with your decision

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      • PHILIP CLAPP says

        March 3, 2021 at 12:10 pm

        thanks. i had thought the imperials were stiffer than the photons but i guess not. i love my imperials but i also like to wear them loose(not too tight especially towards the top due to occasional pain) does that mean i should look at softer boots? im still going to try on the ions/photon/imp just to be sure. these will be paired with my YES PYL

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        • Nate says

          March 4, 2021 at 11:19 am

          Hi Philip

          I wouldn’t necessarily go softer, particularly if you’re pairing with the PYL. I think stiffer (not necessarily super stiff, but stiffer than medium) work best with that board. But if you really find a softer boot a lot more comfortable and feel like you can wear them tighter without pain, then I would consider them. But for the best match to the board, I would be looking at at least Imperial flex.

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31. Ryan says

    February 15, 2021 at 5:35 am

    Hi Nate!

    Great site. Incredibly helpful.
    Can you give me advice on a boot to go with my libtech skunk Ape 172 and Flux XF bindings?

    Cheers!

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    • Nate says

      February 16, 2021 at 4:38 pm

      Hi Ryan

      Thanks for your message.

      I think going with something around 7/10 flex or 8/10 flex is a good way to go for that setup. Or you could even go a little stiffer, if you really liked your boots stiff. But I think that’s a good range to look at. There are some boots on this list that are around that 7/10 flex. For some stiffer options:

      >>My Top 5 Freeride Boots

      Hope this helps

      Reply

32. Matthew says

    January 1, 2021 at 10:01 am

    Hey man,
    I would classify myself as a beginner snowboarder. I used to do it a bit when I was stationed up at Ft. Drum New York. I never had any problems in rental boots for long sessions. I have since gotten out of the military and moved on to other things. I recently tried to go back to snowboarding and found that my feet have flattened substantially from all the ruck marching while I was in. When I tried to start snowboarding again, I had to pull myself off the hills after only a couple of hours each day due to excruciating foot aches. I’ve been told this could be because of rental boots ONLY and that having my own broken in boots would alleviate it. I’ve been told that I may ALSO need boots designed for wide feet. I’ve been told I may ALSO need arch support. I’ve been told that I may need just one OR any combination of these three.

    So my question is what is the best way to approach this problem? I am not in an area that facilitates easy testing of multiple boots so I’m trying to hit the mark with minimal purchases. I have no idea which factors listed above would be the best to address or if I should try to address all three. I have been looking at boots and I really like the look and features of the Vans Infuse. They say they are well designed for shitty arches BUT the comment about normal to narrow feet worries me slightly. Do you think those boots could be a good place to start or is there another route you would suggest? My purchasing habits tend to prioritize quality and longevity instead of “settling” for cheaper beginner options if that information helps your suggestions any. Please hit me up if you have time to do so. Thanks!

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    • Nate says

      January 2, 2021 at 3:19 pm

      Hi Matthew

      Thanks for your messages. Got the other ones too. Was nothing wrong with the messages. Just that I manually moderate them, and hadn’t got to it yet. I typically approve as I reply, so I can keep track of the comments I haven’t replied to yet.

      I think the way to go would be to get a wider boot if you have wide feet and get custom footbeds made for it. All snowboard boots (or at least all but the cheapest) come with removable footbeds, so if you want you can remove then and put custom made ones in. Whereas you can’t make a boot any wider, so that’s the way I would do it.

      But yeah, certainly having your own boots to start with and having the liners heat molded specifically for your feet should help to start with. If you get those in wide (assuming you have wide feet), then you could either start out with the footbeds they come with and see how you go or you could get the custom footbeds done from the get go.

      In terms of beginner boots, it’s not just the quality to think about – you also don’t want boots that are too stiff if you’re a beginner. But I think you would be fine at around a 5/10 flex range or potentially even up to 6/10, but I wouldn’t go any stiffer. So the Infuse (with the tongue stiffeners not in) would prob be doable flex-wise, but if you have wide feet, then probably not wide enough. They do make some really high quality mid-flexing boots though – so you don’t have to go with the lower range if you don’t want to – I would just be careful not to go too stiff (higher end boots are often stiffer but not always).

      For some more things fit-wise, check out:

      Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands

      and

      Wide Snowboard Boots for Wide Feet

      This list has a few at that 6/10 flex range and good quality – and there are also some at:

      >>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots

      That are worth checking out too.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

33. Reese Richey says

    December 30, 2020 at 5:52 pm

    Hey Nate, I was wondering what boots you would recommend for a Jones mountain twin 162w with bent metal axtion bindings us 11-14?

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    • Nate says

      January 1, 2021 at 3:15 pm

      Hi Reese

      Thanks for your message.

      I would be looking at something around 6/10 to 7/10 flex for that setup, so in the right place on this list. Anything here would work well, IMO. A lot of boot in this flex range, so if there’s nothing on this list you can get, let me know and I can provide some other options. Also check out the score breakdowns and if there’s anything else you particularly want, like really good shock absorption for example, you can see what might stand out for you.

      But the most important thing is fit, so also, if you have a chance to try on, then I highly recommend that. If you can’t then here are some general fitting/sizing things for each of the brands that I test:

      Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands

      Hope this helps

      Reply

34. EE says

    December 27, 2020 at 9:43 pm

    Hi, Nate. Im looking for a boot to match salomon assasin pro w/ union falcor. Any recommend?

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    • Nate says

      December 29, 2020 at 2:50 pm

      Hi EE

      Thanks for your message.

      I would be looking at something around a 7/10 or 8/10 flex for that setup. So anything with that flex in a boot that fits well is a good way to go, IMO. If you need something low profile, then that should be taken into account too, and any preferences you have in terms of how much shock absorption, traction etc you need and any preferences for lacing system, but otherwise I would look at that flex range in a boot that fits your feet well. You could check out this list too, if you wanted to look a little stiffer.

      >>My Top 5 Freeride Boots

      Or something like the Ride Trident, which didn’t quite make that list, but is an 8/10 flex.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

35. Herrick says

    December 13, 2020 at 6:20 am

    Hi Nate!

    I just bought this Deeluxe Team ID boots which says 5/10. It says its freestyle but comparing to what I have been wearing, the Hi-standard maybe just 3/10? from vans it is way stiffer. I tried doing a toe edge lean at home, the boots barely flexed and my body already moved forward. I wonder if a body weight also make a difference also because I am just 60kg.. Somebody with 70-80kg with same flex would definitely feel a bit softer I guess? I generally ride the whole mountain 50% and go to tree runs and powder runs whenever there is good snow 50%. I have a yes standard with Union atlas bindings and I have around 100 days total on snow so far.
    Not sure if I made the right choice here. I guess later on if it is not stiff enough I can get the TPS shield to get 1-3 flex rating up. What do you think?

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    • Nate says

      December 14, 2020 at 3:27 pm

      Hi Herrick

      Thanks for your message.

      I don’t test Deeluxe boots, so I’m not sure how they typically feel versus other brands. So just to be clear – you’re saying that the Deeluxe boots feel a lot softer than your Hi-Standard?

      But yes, bodyweight does make a difference. The same boot will feel softer for a heavier rider versus a lighter rider. Hadn’t heard of the TPS shield, but it looks like something you could use, if you’re finding the boots too soft.

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      • Herrick says

        December 14, 2020 at 9:25 pm

        Hi Nate,

        Thanks for reply!
        No, the Deeluxe boots feels much stiffer than Hi-Standard. I think Hi-standard is just 2.5 to me. While standing, with Hi-standard I can bend the shoes without sole leaving the ground much. Deeluxe I bought it bends a bit and I leave the ground already.

        I thought about going 7/10 but seems very stiff.

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        • Nate says

          December 15, 2020 at 1:08 pm

          Hi Herrick

          Yeah to me the Hi-Standard feels like a 3.5/10, that’s why I was surprised when I thought you were saying the Deeluxe felt softer, but I got it the wrong way around. Flex ratings from brands tend to be a little different, which is why I always show my flex feel, so it’s a comparison of multiple brands from one person. It might be that Deeluxe boots are overall stiffer than Vans boots and their idea of a 5 is a stiffer than another brands idea of a 5. But the weight thing plays a part too – i.e. how much force you’re exerting on the boot. As you break it in, it will feel a little softer too.

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36. Garrett says

    December 8, 2020 at 11:21 am

    Gear: I have been looking for a new boot to go with my setup (upgrading from some old Head Five Boots with a 3/10 flex rating). I primarily ride a Rome Pow Division (7/10 flex rating) or occasionally my Ride Machete (4/10 flex rating). I just got a set of Jones Mercury bindings (5-8 stiffness depending on the bushings/strap setup).

    Riding Style: I like to ride surfy and loose for the most part. I go off-piste as much as the snow allows. I’ll pop into the park every so often but mostly to hit small jumps. Will go for speed and big carves occasionally.

    All of the above makes me think I should be looking for a boot with mid-stiff flex. I’m leaning toward a double boa system boot. My search has narrowed down to the K2 Maysis or the Ride Lasso. Any feedback on which would be best for my gear and my riding style?

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    • Nate says

      December 9, 2020 at 1:22 pm

      Hi Garrett

      Thanks for your message.

      I agree that something mid-stiff – around that 7/10 flex would be a good match for your setup and what you’re describing. I would say that the Maysis is more of a true 7/10 flex with the Lasso feeling mildly softer than that – like a 6 or maybe 6.5.

      Also note for both of those boots, that one BOA works to tighten the entire outersole with the other BOA working slightly differently on each boot. On the Maysis, the second BOA works on a harness that wraps around the liner of the boot, focused around the ankle portion of the liner. On the Lasso, the second BOA has a similar function, but works slightly differently in that it pulls the tongue into the liner, but again focuses on more heel hold/better ankle support. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing – it makes for easy adjustment on the fly, for getting that heel hold/ankle support retightened during the day, without having to open out the boot. But it means less adjustability in terms of the upper and lower sections of the boots. Just wanted to point that out so you know that it’s not the typical “Double BOA” system which typically has one BOA that controls the upper section of the outerboot and the other BOA to control the lower section of the outer Boot.

      If that kind of double BOA system is what you’re looking for, then both those boots would work well for you, IMO – but I would be leaning Maysis, just because it’s a little stiffer, by my feel.

      If you wanted to look more for a Double BOA system that independently adjusts the upper and lower sections of the outerboot, let me know and I can suggest some good options in around that 7/10 flex range.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

37. Rayan says

    November 14, 2020 at 10:45 am

    Hi Nate,

    Do you have a boot recommendation for the Burton Custom Flying V?

    Thanks so much of all the resources and for the help.

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    • Nate says

      November 14, 2020 at 2:33 pm

      Hi Rayan

      For matching boots to the Custom Flying V, the main thing, IMO, besides getting a good fit (which is the most important thing) is getting a flex that’s going to suit the board, and suit your riding style. For the Custom Flying V, I would go with something around a 6/10 flex and up to 7/10 flex. Probably wouldn’t go stiffer than that, but not much softer than 6/10. But you could go to 5/10 flex, if you’re quite a casual/playful rider. So, I think you’re in the right place on this list.

      But if you did want to go a little softer you could also check out:

      >>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots

      Then it’s a matter of choosing the best fitting boots for your feet. Trying on in-person is the best bet ideally, but if that’s not possible, check out the following to get an idea of some of the fit differences between several brands.

      Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands

      Other things play a part too – adjustability can be a big one, depending on fit. Shock absorption is important depending on your bindings. If you already have quite damp/shock absorbing bindings, then it’s less important to have in your boots. And the profile varies in importance depending on your need to get on a narrower board, if you’re borderline. So those things (and other factors) certainly play a role, depending, but flex and fit are the biggest things, IMO.

      Hope this helps

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      • Rayan says

        November 17, 2020 at 10:02 pm

        Hi Nate,

        Thanks so much for your reply. I tried on the Burton Photons in store, and they were a great fit and are available for the step on bindings. I think the Ions will be too stiff, so I didn’t try them.

        I read your rating of the Custom Flying V on your top all-mountain boards list and chose it over the camber version due to its versatility, but I realized this season I will be riding mostly in Minnesota and hopefully some trips out West. I live out West but am back home in Minnesota this season. One of the concerns that I have is that the Custom FV seems to perform poorly in hard pack and that it’s better suited for soft snow. This is fine out west, but I know we have a lot of hard pack here in Minnesota. I’m worried that I won’t have enough edge hold and will wash out a lot. Do you think the Custom FV can still work for me?

        Also, for bindings, I am deciding between the Malavitas, Cartels, Genesis, and Step Ons, but I figure I should confirm the board before deciding on the bindings.

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        • Nate says

          November 18, 2020 at 11:10 am

          Hi Rayan

          Firstly, yeah it’s a good idea to confirm the board before the bindings (and to confirm the boots first too – bindings are best left until you’ve made a call on both board and boots, IMO, to make sure to get the right size as well as flex).

          The Flying V isn’t great in hard/icy conditions, IMO, so that’s the biggest downside of it, if you’ll be riding in those conditions a lot.

          Reply

          • Rayan says

            November 18, 2020 at 2:53 pm

            Definitely. And thanks for letting me know what you think about the Flying V. I think I will stick with it since I am still hoping to use it out West this season and will mainly be using it out West once I go back. I have my old camber Jeenyus board that I can try too if I am dealing with a lot of hard/icy conditions.

            I am 5’9.5″/180 lbs but planning to drop to 170. I took a look at your snowboard length guide and think the 156 would be best, but let me know if you think the 156 isn’t the best option.

            Also, I am trying to decide between the Photon and Ion step on boots. Both look to be medium to medium-stiff flex and have the faux ankle strap for added stability/adjustability. Which boot do you think would be better for the Custom Flying V?

            Thanks again for all the help!

          • Nate says

            November 19, 2020 at 12:28 pm

            Hi Rayan

            Yeah I think the 156 would be a good option. The 158 is also an option. Both would work, depending on what you were looking to prioritize.

            The differences will be subtle, but subtly the 156 will be a little more maneuverable, more buttery and better for trees and jibs. The 158 will be subtly more stable at speed, float better in powder and better for big carves.

            I think the Photon would be my pick with the Custom Flying V, but both would definitely work. The Ion just subtly stiffer than the Photon, but pretty similar.

38. Damian says

    October 26, 2020 at 8:57 am

    Hi! Very nice review, yet big variety leads to tough decision-making haha. Please help me out. Got the Salomon Dancehaul 2021 board, burton cartel re:flex 2021 bindings. I run groomers mostly, but pow as well. I ride in a playful way, twisting, carving. Please help me choose boots. I got Burton Imperial as a suggestion from a friend. But what can you suggest me? Much appreciated

    Reply

    • Damian says

      October 26, 2020 at 9:02 am

      PS* Mainly from the models u presented in this review, choosing btw Imperial, adidas response adv and adidas tactical adv

      Thanks again

      Reply

      • Nate says

        October 26, 2020 at 11:28 am

        Hi Damian

        Thanks for your messages.

        Firstly, I think you’re in the right place for the board/bindings you have. I think boots in this kind of flex range are a good option for that setup. And should suit how you describe your riding too.

        The main thing is fit. If you can get the flex right – and I think something around about 6/10 in terms of flex is going to suit you and your setup well – then it mostly comes down to fit (of course things like traction and shock absorption etc are all important too, to an extent but fit is the most important thing, IMO). If you’re unable to try on in person, then check out the following to get some idea on how different brands fit:

        Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands

        Of course if you’ve got big feet and looking to fit on a narrower board, then how low profile the boots is also really important. With the Imperial and Adidas options being good in that respect, if that’s something you need they’ve got that. And assuming the fit is right, those 3 you’ve mentioned would certainly be a good match.

        Hope this helps with your decision

        Reply

        • Damian says

          October 26, 2020 at 2:38 pm

          Thanks so much! Jeez how can i promote what you are doing? how can i help your activity? Let me know
          CHeers

          Reply

          • Damian says

            October 26, 2020 at 2:46 pm

            And still, which of the three should i pick? i cannot try on any of those. Will i go wrong if i get the burton imperial? is the opportunity cost too big? i mean, obviously Adidas Tactical adv 2021 is number one on your list. But for what i am doing, will i really feel such a big difference?
            Thank you once again
            Appreciate

          • Nate says

            October 27, 2020 at 10:27 am

            Hi Damian

            I don’t think you can go wrong with the Imperial, no. Even outside this top 10 there are a number of good boots in this category, so to make the top 10, the Imperial are really good boots, IMO. Like I said, fit is a big thing. If there was anything in the article I sent to you that stood out as to which might be a better fit for you feet, then that’s one way to decide. But if there was nothing in particular there, then going with Imperial definitely not a bad choice.

          • Nate says

            October 27, 2020 at 10:24 am

            You’re very welcome Damian.

            You can follow Snowboarding Profiles on social media (see below), that would be great.

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39. Harry says

    September 21, 2020 at 6:15 am

    Hey Nate,

    Thanks for the awesome review.
    How will the vans hold up if the boa breaks? I’ve had them go a few times on snowboard boots and the last time wasn’t covered by boas lifetime warranty 🙁 I like the adjustable stiffness especially for some casual split boarding so pretty excited about that but I don’t want my day ruined out in the middle of the backcountry.

    Cheers
    Harry

    Reply

    • Nate says

      September 21, 2020 at 11:43 am

      Hi Harry

      I couldn’t say for sure (I could take them out and not do the Boa up next time I ride them, but then I wouldn’t be able to reply for over 2 months!) but just putting them on now (I own the Infuse) with the boa completely loosened off, I think they’d be fine with the boa breaking. They just feel like a typical traditional lace boot, not even that much heel hold. The boa gives you that little bit more hold, but based on what I’m feeling in them right now, I think that boa is more of a bonus than a necessity. Of course this is just sitting with them at my desk, and might be different charging hard on snow. But definitely wouldn’t be unrideable if your Boa broke in the middle of the backcountry.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Harry says

        September 29, 2020 at 1:17 pm

        Awesome Nate,
        Really appreciate you taking the time thanks! Keep up the great work.

        Reply

        • Nate says

          September 30, 2020 at 9:40 am

          You’re very welcome Harry. Hope you have an awesome season!

          Reply

40. James H says

    June 30, 2020 at 9:36 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Just wanting a little bit of info (if you know) on boots.

    Im currently on Burton photon US 11 boots.

    I rode the Falcors on the YES Hybrid 157 in Japan this year and they were hands down the best bindings i’ve ever ridden! (thanks for the recommendation BTW) Damp, light, secure and super comfortable! I liked them so much i decided to buy a pair in medium as I want to put them on my Jones MTN Twin 157 and YES PYL 159 and the Size L is too big, there is overhang on those boards (which is weird as on my old size L atlas and my current size L cartels there isnt).

    So my query is whilst the photons for me are a really good boot and they do fit in the Falcor Mediums, i’m trying to downsize to a US 10.5 to get even better fit and reduced toe/heel drag.

    I’ve found a pair of ION Double BOA on sale in the US10.5. Do you think that the IONs are significantly stiffer than the photons and do you think the reduction of half a US size will make a difference? I can buy the photons in US 10.5 too but they are the same price as the ION Double BOA so kinda thought the ION could be the go.

    Also do you think that adidas tactical ADV or Acerra ADV in a 10.5 would have a smaller imprint than the photons or Ions in the same size? I’ve heard that in US10 or above the footprint difference is negligible but on 9 or less it is quite significant.

    Thanks

    Reply

    • Nate says

      July 1, 2020 at 1:33 pm

      Hi James

      Thanks for your message.

      Yeah the baseplate on the Falcors are quite long – and since they don’t adjust you’re stuck with that length – might be the only downside of them! But the medium should be a good fit on those boards (as I’m sure you’ve discovered) but yeah definitely a longer baseplate on those Falcors (and same with the Strata) than most bindings – Burton Large tend to have a much shorter baseplate for sure, in all models.

      I wouldn’t say the IONs are significantly stiffer than the Photon. I would say quite similar, but maybe the IONs 1/2 a notch stiffer. They don’t have an articulating cuff, which some don’t like, others doesn’t bother them, but in terms of flex not a huge amount stiffer (7/10 vs 7.5/10 by my feel).

      In terms of boot drag, and fit in the bindings, 1/2 size will make a noticeable difference. The only thing is whether the fit is comfortable for you. 1/2 size can also make a significant difference to how the boot fits. If a Burton 11 fits you really well, then it might be the case that a 10.5 could be uncomfortably tight. If you’ve tried them on and they’re fine, then I think you’ll be fine going to a 10.5 and it would make a difference for sure.

      If you fit Burton well in an 11, then chances are good that you would fit well in a 10.5 Adidas. I find I fit an Adidas best in a 9.5 and a Burton best in a 10. So if you were to go Adidas, I’d say to go 10.5 anyway. In terms of reduced footprint, the amount of reduction seems to be consistent on all sizes. That said I’ve only measured certain sizes, but it wouldn’t make sense to me to have less reduction in bigger boots – which are the ones you want the reduction on! For more to go off, here are some sizes of the Tactical ADV and Acerra I’ve measured and their difference between Mondo and outersole length. The 12 that I measured in the Tactical ADV had the bigger footprint reduction vs the 9.5.

      – Tactical ADV 9.5: 1.8cm
      – Tactical ADV 12: 1.7cm
      – Acerra 8.5: 1.5cm
      – Acerra 9.5: 1.7cm

      Note that I haven’t measured any other boots (not even in the Adidas line) with less than 2cm difference between Mondo and Outersole, so I wouldn’t be worried about how much reduction you get from a size 10.5.

      In comparison these are the Ion and Photon’s I’ve measured.

      – Ion 10: 2.7cm
      – Photon Boa 10: 2.8cm

      Also note though, in terms of boot drag that Burton’s boots have a bigger toe bevel than any other boot I’ve tested and that helps with boot drag too, so even though they’re not as reduced, they’re still great in terms of reduced boot drag. And also 2.7cm/2.8cm is still certainly reduced from the average.

      Hope this helps

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      • James H says

        July 1, 2020 at 7:24 pm

        Legend, thanks for the input mate.

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        • Nate says

          July 2, 2020 at 11:10 am

          You’re very welcome James, as always. Thanks for visiting

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41. Matt says

    March 27, 2020 at 1:28 am

    Hey Nate,

    I’m looking for something a bit more comfortable and that’ll help me board longer. I hear Adidas are known for comfort and their boost sole can give you some extra energy. Has there been any changes to the boot itself between the TACTICAL ADV boots 2019/2020 and the ACERRA ADV BLACK boots 2018/2019? I really would prefer the BOA in the 2018 ACERRA vs traditional lacing in the 2020 Tacticals but I have read that there were some pressure point issues with older Adidas and may want to forgo the BOA laces if the newer Tactical ADV boots would be more comfortable. Whats your thoughts?

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    • Nate says

      March 27, 2020 at 3:23 pm

      Hi Matt

      Thanks for your message.

      There are new Acerra boots too. Those have continued in their line, so if you were worried about the older versions, then you could look at the new models. Also note that there are differences between the 2019/20 Tactical ADV and Acerra ADV 2018/19, as they are different boots, even if they hadn’t changed between the year models. The Acerra is a stiffer boot. Still uses the boost, but it’s a different boot overall. It’s not in this list because of it’s stiffer flex – see: >>My Top 5 Freeride Boots

      So, if you don’t want to go stiffer, but still want Boa, then the Adidas Response would be more the goer. They don’t have the boost though. They are still comfortable, but just not quite as good as absorbing shock or chatter, or the same kind of energy as the Tactical ADV or Acerra ADV, but still pretty good.

      For the 2020 models, there’s also the new Tactical Lexicon ADV in addition to the regular Tactical ADV, which has a gold liner rather than a silver liner. I think that’s the only difference. I’ve heard they are supposed to be a little more comfortable, but I haven’t ridden them, so I’m not sure by how much.

      But yeah, if you wanted the boost, then the Tactical ADV, Tactical Lexicon ADV or the Acerra ADV are the options. The 2 Tactical’s have a flex around 6/10 and the Acerra more like 8/10. The Tactical’s are both traditional lace and the Acerra is double boa.

      Hopes this answers your question/clears it up. But yeah, I really like the boost and Adidas boots in general.

      One thing to note, in case you can’t try on (which is hard to do at the moment!), is that Adidas boots typically run half a size large. Meaning, for most people, that you would go half a size smaller than what you’d normally ride. E.g. I normally ride a size 10 snowboard boot. But in Adidas a 9.5 fits best for me. Most, but not all that I talk to are the same with Adidas boots.

      Hope this helps

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42. Aaron J says

    March 12, 2020 at 5:48 am

    Hey Nate,

    I have been enjoying reading your reviews, and especially the detailed advice you give to people who comment…so I figured I would drop a question on here to see if you have any input.

    I am buying my first kit for backcountry touring–first board and boots overall, actually–and I’m at a bit of a loss for the boots. I’ve already got the board–the Arbor Coda Split 158–and I’ll be getting the Spark R&D Arc bindings.

    My feet measure in at like 24.5-25, and I wear a US Men’s 8 street shoe. I’ve tried on the Burton Photons in a 7, and I think they felt pretty nice. But for the sake of playing the field a bit and getting a better idea of fit, I want to try on a few other boots for comparison. Would you have recommendations or advice for other boots to try on for comparison? The application being a combo of backcountry powder and groomers, probably about 60-40 split.

    Thanks so much for reading, and for the great reviews!

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    • Nate says

      March 12, 2020 at 11:54 am

      Hi Aaron

      Thanks for your message.

      If you’re looking for something around that 7/10 flex range, then I would look at the likes of the Vans Infuse, Ride Deadbolt, Thirty Two Mullair, Thirty Two TM-TWO, or if you wanted to go slightly stiffer, you could check out the following:

      >>My Top 5 Freeride Boots

      Hope this gives you some good options to compare

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43. Nick says

    February 2, 2020 at 4:55 pm

    Hi, Nate I also forgot to ask you about size on the deadbolts too, I wear a size 10 street shoe but with my k2 like I said I’m a 9.5. If those are good for my type of foot what size should I get? Thanks

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    • Nate says

      February 4, 2020 at 10:45 am

      Hi Nick

      Thanks for your messages.

      I found the heel hold with these really good. The Maysis probably just a little bit better, but very little in it – and I found the Maysis had one of the better levels of heel hold. For arches, I think they would be fine. Didn’t notice them being particularly tight in terms of the tops of the foot. I don’t have particularly high arches – though my right foot has a higher arch than my left and I usually feel the top of my right foot on boots that are tight on the top.

      So yeah, I think they could be suitable for your foot. No guarantees of course. Without trying on, it’s hard to say for sure.

      In terms of the pinching, I haven’t noticed that personally with the Maysis, so no way to tell really if that’s going to be an issue with the Deadbolts.

      In terms of sizing, I find that both Ride and K2 fit for me in 10s – and I wear 10s in normal shoes too. But I have heard some that find K2 runs half a size large (meaning you need to go a 1/2 size down). I have personally found that 10s fit me well for K2s though. So, probably 9.5s OK for the Deadbolts, but might be the case that 10s are a better fit. Again, if there was any chance of trying on, that would of course be ideal.

      Probably the best boot I’ve tried recently, in that same 7/10 flex range, for heel hold is the 32 TM-2 Double Boa. That’s something I would probably recommend going for a 10 in though, if you were 9.5 for K2. But that’s another one to consider if heel hold is the biggest thing for you. That said, the Deadbolt is very good, just that the TM-2 is that little bit more there.

      Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision

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44. nick says

    February 2, 2020 at 4:50 pm

    Hi, I was looking into the ride deadbolts. I have narrow feet skinny ankles and high arches. Struggle with geek lift. Would these boots be good for my type of foot? I currently have a size 9.5 k2 Maysis snd liked them but after a year I’m getting pinching pain. I ride all mountain, backcountry, and like to ride in the park from time to time.

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45. jim sweeney says

    January 16, 2020 at 3:52 pm

    Hi Nate, really enjoyed your in depth review on boots! I am need of advice on a new setup. My current ride is an old Burton Vapor 162 (wide), Burton Mission bindings and old DC BOA boots (11.5). I mainly stick to resort groomers and a little park riding and rarely some backcountry.

    1.) What boot would best reduce my footprint so I might get a smaller width board?

    2.) What size/type board would you recommend for my height (5’11”)?

    3.) Any new lightweight bindings you really like?

    Thanks!

    Jim

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    • Nate says

      January 17, 2020 at 11:48 am

      Hi Jim

      Thanks for your message.

      1. Adidas boots are currently the most low profile. And most people I speak to (and myself included) seem to fit in a boot half a size smaller (so for me I usually ride a 10, but I fit best in a 9.5 in Adidas boots). So that plus also being the most low profile, makes Adidas the standout low profile option for sure. If possible at all, it’s a good idea to try boots on first, even if you’re going to buy online – as everyone’s foot is different, but in terms of low profile, Adidas is leading the way currently. Other good low profile options include Burton, Vans & Ride. Some models are more low profile than others between all those brands, so if you end up with a short list, then I can give you a more specific number for the particular models, if I’ve measured them. The Tactical ADV is the lowest profile I’ve measured to date.

      2. Since you ride mostly groomers, but with a little park and a little backcountry, I think all-mountain is probably the way to go. You could go all-mountain-freestyle too, but it wouldn’t perform as well when you do go into the backcountry/powder of any sort. In terms of size, if you could let me know your weight as well. I do like to take height into account, but weight is the more important factor these days.

      3. In terms of lightweight, Union tend to have the lightest bindings going around. Again, it differs model to model, even within brands, but Union bindings tend to be lighter than most. Assuming you go with an all-mountain board around 5/10, 6/10, 7/10 flex, and similar for boots, then something like the Union Strata or Union Falcor are light and an appropriate flex for that kind of board. If you end up narrowing down a board choice, then I could advise which I think would be the best fit. Burton bindings are also relatively light, as are some NOW bindings. I haven’t weighed all the brands though, only select ones, but yeah if lightweight is a big thing for you, then Union Strata or Falcor would be what I would look at.

      Hope this helps

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      • jim sweeney says

        January 24, 2020 at 12:36 pm

        Hi Nate,

        Thanks for all the great info on bindings, etc.! I am about 5’11” and 155-160 pounds. Looking at picking up some boots and I’ve narrowed it down to:

        2019 Salomon Dialogue Focus BOA
        2019 Ride Jackson BOA
        2019 DC Judge BOA

        These are what I have found on sale and I’m short on funds. All of these I’ve found for around $140-$170.

        My shoe size is 11.5 but I ride a size 12 boot (with sock) and I’m mostly concerned with find a mid-wide board for my big ass foot!

        With the info I’ve given you what boot stands out? What size board could I get away with?

        Thanks!

        Jim

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        • Nate says

          January 24, 2020 at 2:58 pm

          Hi Jim

          Thanks for your message.

          In terms of trying to get something low profile, the Ride Jackson is the lowest profile on that list. The 2020 Salomon Dialogue is lower profile (but that will be out of your budget at the moment) but the 2019 model isn’t. So yeah, if you’re looking for reduced footprint, the Jackson is your best bet there.

          In terms of board length, I would go for something around 156-157.

          In terms of width, even with the lower profile Jackson’s, with size 12s, I would still go wide. It does depend on a lot of things – binding angles, how aggressively/deep you carve. If you feel like you’re not an overly aggressive carver, then you can get away with something narrower, but I still wouldn’t go roughly narrower than around 258mm at the waist. And that’s an estimate too, as the width at inserts compared to waist, differs depending on the board too. In some cases a waist of 258mm might be wide enough and in other cases might not be. If you are able to let me know your typical binding angles and any specific boards you are looking at, I can give you a better opinion on sizing.

          Hope this helps

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46. Josh says

    January 11, 2020 at 7:18 am

    Hey Nate,
    What’s your opinion on the Burton Photons? I will be pairing them with Cartel Bindings and a Jones Mountain Twin. I have heard that they are basically an Imperial with the Boa system. Is that true?
    Thanks in advance

    Josh

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    • Nate says

      January 13, 2020 at 10:42 am

      Hi Josh

      The Photon and Imperial are very similar boots. But not exact. I felt the Photon stiffer than the Imperial. Not by heaps but a little firmer. The main difference I can see between them (apart from the lacing system) is that the Photon has the “Grip lite backstay” and the Imperial “S4 Shell Panels”. That could potentially be where I felt the Photon firmer, but yeah, they are pretty similar. I think the Photon’s would match the Cartel/MT setup. I would say they are mildly stiffer than that setup overall, but not way off, and having slightly stiffer boots vs board works well, IMO. I’d usually go either flex-match or slightly stiffer with my boots, but not the other way around (i.e. don’t really like softer boots on a stiffer board), if that makes sense.

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      • Josh says

        January 13, 2020 at 11:15 am

        Thanks for the reply Nate,

        You have the Ions at a 7/10 flex rating would the Photons bet inbetween the Ions and Imperials? Say a 6.5/10? Also do you think the Imperials would match the flex of the Cartel/MT better than the Photons or am I splitting hairs. I am sorry if I am inundating you with questions. I have a trip this weekend and both boots are on the way. I will need to decide between the 2 and return one so just trying to nail it down as best as possible.

        Thanks for all the help,
        Josh

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        • Nate says

          January 13, 2020 at 12:37 pm

          Hi Josh

          I would say closer to 7/10 for the Photon, but still a little softer than the Ions. I know that doesn’t make much sense, but I would say the Ion is just a touch over 7, and I was really debating between having it 7/10 or 7.5/10. The Photon more like solidly 7. But of course that is just from my own feel. Others can feel them different, but that’s what I got from the Photon.

          It’s hard to say for sure which will be the better match. Some people exclusively prefer to go stiffer in boots vs their board. Some prefer to actually go softer in boots – prefer more of a feeling of freedom. Personally, I like to either match or go slightly stiffer, so both would work for me. If I had to choose, then I would say Imperials are the best match, but the Photon’s wouldn’t be a bad call either. I personally prefer Boa to Speed Lace, so that would likely be a factor in my choice too.

          I know that’s not a very solid answer! But I really don’t think there’s a bad choice there.

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47. Exzul says

    November 14, 2019 at 5:58 pm

    I have a pair of swath that I rode the previous season, loved them but finding myself riding more and more aggressie so I’ve picked uo a pair of ions this season. I do like to get alot air grabs tricks off natural features and basically have been heading into an aggressive all mountain freestyle predominantly but I did also pick up a softer board (hot knife(trs last season) for learning butters on. Do you think it would be worthwhile keeping the swath just for this or would the difference with the ions be so marginal it’s not worthwhile lugging around an extra pair of boots? My jibbing will be minimal as an ex skater this is least new to me and would probably be the last thing ill venture to focus on. Just asking your thoughts because id prefer to sell these in the lead up to the season and use the money elsewhere rather than try them out a bunch of times find I don’t want to bother having two sets of boots and end up leaving them in storage. So long story short would ions jump butter and a freestyle well enough to not warrant pulling out a set of swaths for a more butter freestyle oriented day?

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    • Nate says

      November 15, 2019 at 12:46 pm

      Hi Exzul

      Thanks for your message.

      Personally I wouldn’t use this boot for buttering/a softer setup. But I don’t mind having multiple pairs of boots – and I would be leaving them at home until the day that I wanted to ride a particular board (as I live close enough to do that), so wouldn’t be dragging them around. So I’m in a slightly different situation. But yeah, I would certainly prefer to have the Swath for those days. I wouldn’t say the difference is massive – but I wouldn’t say it’s marginal either. So, not really being in your situation it’s hard to say what you should do – how much you need the money from selling them, how annoying it’s going to be for you to drag them around etc – I would keep both pairs personally, but I’m not in that boat.

      Some people like some extra stiffness for riding freestyle – some prefer super soft. I’m kind of in the middle. I still like to have some stiffness in them, but not as much the Ions have. Also I find I prefer an articulating cuff for freestyle riding, which the Ions don’t have.

      Hope this somewhat helps

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48. Casey says

    November 8, 2019 at 11:06 am

    I love my Vans Infuse. I’ve always had such a hard time with boots. I’d get crazy heel lift with traditional laces and hot spots with boa. These are a perfect balance, plus I can control the flex. I’ve ridden 32 lashed, DC Travis Rice, Burton Ion, Ride Trident and The Infuse is by far the most comfortable and supportive boot I’ve found.

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    • Nate says

      November 8, 2019 at 1:39 pm

      Hi Casey

      Awesome that you’ve found your boot! Boots are perhaps the hardest gear to get right, because fit is so important and everyone’s feet are different. Finding boots that fit your feet well is a big part of the equation for sure. But yeah, I also am a big fan of the Infuse (I own a pair too). They are a good fit for my feet too, and I like the flex control and the lacing/boa combo.

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49. ivan says

    November 5, 2019 at 8:26 pm

    hey buddy

    I have a Process Purepop camber + mission EST bindings and try to find the perfect boots for me.
    My level is intermediate entry level hahah, most an all mountain rider.
    What do you suggest??
    The only mandatory thing to me is to have a boa, I hat laces,

    thanks!

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    • Nate says

      November 6, 2019 at 2:33 pm

      Hi Ivan

      Thanks for your message.

      For the best match with your board and binding setup, I would say to go around 5/10, 6/10 in terms of flex. So for this list, that leaves the Adidas Response, in terms of BOA, and that would be a really good option, IMO.

      But for more options also check out:

      >>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots

      Whilst it’s titled “freestyle” they are also good for all-mountain riding. I would almost just think of them as 5/10 flex boots. The Burton Swatch Boa from that list would be a good option, especially if you wanted to go Burton again. And the Vans Aura Pro would also be an excellent compliment to your current setup. I own these and have found them to be great boots.

      You could also check out the Burton Ruler Boa, which is not as nice as the Swatch Boa, but still a solid boot (5/10 flex) and a bit cheaper. Or the Salomon Dialogue Boa.

      Hope this helps, and let me know if you want any further options, but I think those would be the best to look at. In terms of fit, if possible try on in person, but if you’re unable to, check out:

      >>How Different Brand Snowboard Boots Fit

      >>Sizing Snowboard Boots

      Hope this helps with your search

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      • ivan mermejo says

        November 7, 2019 at 6:52 am

        Man! you rock!
        the best ever site!

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        • Nate says

          November 7, 2019 at 12:30 pm

          Thanks Ivan!

          Hope you have an awesome season!

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          • ivan mermejo says

            November 8, 2019 at 6:49 am

            Hey Nate ,

            I tried on a Salomon Fraction BOA, its price was reealy good and I liked it because it seems that it has less material but still a good stiffness.
            I don’t know if it is a consistent boot, but when I tried I felt comfortable
            I find all burton too big, lot material, I like to feel my feet. I don’t know if you got what I’m trying to explain.

            thanks!

          • ivan mermejo says

            November 8, 2019 at 7:24 am

            hey Nate,

            I don;t know if my reply went correctly, so I will post again.

            I said that I tried on a Salomon Fraction BOA and I loved it because despite being simpler than Burton, it doesn’t have too much material, it is narrow.
            It makes me feel better my feet.
            what do you think about it?

            thanks again

          • Nate says

            November 8, 2019 at 1:35 pm

            Hi Ivan

            Fit is like 90% of what makes a good snowboard boot, IMO. If you find something that fits your foot well, you’re at least going to be comfortable, so that’s a big part of it. Salomon boots are typically narrower, so I’m not surprised you found that. If they fit your feet well, then that’s a good option, IMO. I would say the Faction is a softer than medium boot. So, that’s the only question mark on them. We’re you able to try a Dialogue? Usually boots from within the same brand fit similarly – certainly there are often differences, but usually quite similar. The Faction would do the job, and is certainly a cheaper option, but just know that, from my experience it’s a bit softer – and will likely feel softer than they do now, once you’ve broken them in, but yeah, like I say, fit is a big part of the equation.

      • ivan says

        November 9, 2019 at 1:24 pm

        Hey Nate,

        After some try ons, I’ve gotten a good deal with a K2 MYSIS Heat( I don’t care about the heating system, but this version was with a promotion).

        It was strange, because even that I hate wide and not reduced footprint, when I fitted this boot I felt so comfortable and I loved the boa that tight the internal shell.

        I know that its profile is a little bit stiffer if compared with the Swatch burton and Vans, but I tried them all and to me seemed to be almost the same stiffness but the comfort of this K2 conquer me.

        Honest, do you think that I did a wrong choice? regarding being stiffer and less low profile at least on its characteristics.

        tks!

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        • ivan says

          November 11, 2019 at 3:26 pm

          Update,

          I put this maysis boot on my board and the tip of the boot went 2 cm off the edge of the board, ist that ok?

          Do you think that I would catch the edge while doing my carvings?

          snowboard is 152 and my boots are sz 9.

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          • Nate says

            November 12, 2019 at 12:18 pm

            Hi Ivan

            2cm overhang, IMO is pretty much perfect. It shows that your feet, which ultimately apply the pressures to the edges of the board, are close enough to the edges, but without the boots being too far over. 2cm over (on each edge) is about ideal. And you can have a bit more overhang on your heel edge vs your toe edge, as you don’t tend to get as low into carves on that edge. But if you can let me know the brand/model of your board, and I can see if I can give you a more accurate opinion. But yeah, if that 2cm overhang is accurate, then it’s pretty much ideal, IMO.

        • Nate says

          November 12, 2019 at 12:16 pm

          Hi Ivan

          Thanks for the update.

          Whilst, I think the Maysis is a little stiffer than ideal for that setup/intermediate level, if anything in the setup is going to be stiffer, then I would choose the boots to be that part. And they’re not ultra stiff, so I don’t think they’re way off. I would have perhaps suggested the K2 Ender (a little softer flexing but also has a similar fit and also has that internal boa – I’m also a fan of this – it’s great to be able to really get that heel cranked and I find with the K2s that have this feature, that you can really crank it down without discomfort but get your heel nice and locked in – and you can retighten it without opening the rest of the boot, so nice and easy). But the Maysis heat isn’t a bad choice either. They’re not that low profile (I measured the Maysis at 3.2cm over the mondo size) but that’s only a problem if you are tight in terms of overhang.

          So yeah, like i say fit is a big part of it, and if they fit well and feel comfortable that’s the biggest thing. I think maybe the Ender would have been a slightly better choice, but the Maysis will work for sure. Quite hard to tell the difference in flex for boots when just trying on and not riding – like you can certainly tell between softer than medium and stiff boots, for sure, but anything in that 4/10 to 7/10 range tend to feel the same until you get them on snow, but I don’t think the Maysis is stiff enough to be a bad choice, as such.

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50. dd says

    October 29, 2019 at 12:57 pm

    Hi Nate – really appreciate all your information, it’s been very helpful! I have a question on boot flex please……….I’m looking at new boots to match up w/my Jones Explorer (bought last year based on your review and love it). My current boots (Northwave Legend) are rated about a 5 flex and from your guidelines, I gather it’s best to match up flex w/in your gear. That said, after trying on many stiffer rated boots (approx 7 flex), I really prefer the feel of my med-flex boot. So my long-winded question is does riding a softer flexing boot really hold me back to any significant degree on a stiffer flexing board? I mainly just cruise groomers and hit powder when available, no park and not a super speed demon either (although I do like some speed!) I haven’t noticed any issues with the setup, my since I’ve not ridden stiffer boots, I don’t know what I might be missing out on. Thanks!

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    • Nate says

      October 30, 2019 at 2:36 pm

      Hi dd

      Thanks for your message.

      I like to try and match flex with gear, but it’s certainly not a hard and fast rule. And going with a 5/10 boot with the Explorer (6.5/10 by my feel) isn’t too far off being a match. If it feels good then it should be fine. I just find going too soft in boots on a stiffer board, can make the board feel a little “heavier” and “slower” but I don’t think there’s a big issue with riding 5/10 flex boots on the Explorer especially if you’re not riding really aggressively. I feel like I can get deeper into a carve and hold it longer with a stiffer flexing boot, but that’s only really the case when riding fast and aggressively leaning into a carve. I think it’s also more of a thing for heavier riders. The more pressure you’re exerting on the boot, the more you can make it flex, and if it’s too soft to start with then it flexes too much. But it doesn’t sound like you have any issues with your boots on the Explorer, so I would stick with your setup if you enjoy riding with it and it covers you performance-wise.

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      • dd says

        October 30, 2019 at 3:32 pm

        Good to hear Nate. Thank you for your thoughts. Have a great season!

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        • Nate says

          October 31, 2019 at 11:47 am

          You’re very welcome dd. Hope you have an awesome season too!

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51. Tyler Bartmess says

    October 17, 2019 at 1:33 pm

    Hey. What’s up Nate? All these comments must have been keeping you busy! I just got the thirtytwo tm3 grenier this year. I’m just wondering if you’ve had a chance to check ’em out and what your thoughts are.

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    • Nate says

      October 18, 2019 at 12:12 pm

      Hi Tyler

      I haven’t had a chance to check out ride the TM-3 yet. Hopefully will this season. From checking them out in store they seem like a quality pair of boots, but without having ridden them I couldn’t say how they go performance wise.

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52. George French says

    October 14, 2019 at 1:26 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Thanks for your time spent writing these reviews.

    First pair of boots as I’ve rented previously. I was set on the double BOA system with a couple of boots that feature on this list making my shortlist. However having visited a shop on the weekend I’ve been a little put off BOA’s due to breakages. Have you seen many examples of the BOA’s breaking when going for the high end brands like Burton/K2/Adidas etc? I will be riding about 30 days this year fairly aggressive all mountain freestyle…

    Thanks!

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    • Nate says

      October 15, 2019 at 1:02 pm

      Hi George

      I’ve never had any breakages with BOAs before but I have heard of them. I don’t think they’re super common, certainly not in the first 100 days of a boots life, but the biggest thing is that when they do break it’s not as simple as replacing a pair of laces. So that’s the advantage of laces. If they break, they’re much easier to replace. Most boots I get on I don’t ride for long enough to ever have any issues, but I have owned Vans Aura (which are double boa) which I rode for over 100 days with no issues. I personally wouldn’t be put off buying double boa boots again, but I’ve never had any bad experiences with them. One thing to be careful of though, is that you don’t rest your board on the top of your boot on the lift – at least not where the BOA wires are, as I’ve heard of this wearing them down and leading to a breakage (understandably).

      Reply

      • George French says

        November 1, 2019 at 8:06 am

        Thanks a lot for the feedback! I do like the adjustability and ease of use so I’ll stick with them I think!

        Reply

        • Nate says

          November 1, 2019 at 2:27 pm

          You’re very welcome George. Hope you have an awesome season!

          Reply

53. Dylan says

    September 12, 2019 at 4:50 am

    Hey Nate!

    Love your reviews!

    Would love your thoughts on the ‘ROME inferno’. I ride a Burton Custom, all mountain use. Interested in your opinion on how they measure up against their competition.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      September 12, 2019 at 9:49 am

      Hi Dylan

      Thanks for your message.

      Unfortunately I don’t currently test Rome gear, so I couldn’t say much about the Infernos. Strictly looking at the stated flex rating, they would be a good match for the Custom, IMO. But beyond that I couldn’t say what they’re like.

      Reply

      • Dylan says

        September 13, 2019 at 1:29 am

        Cheers mate!

        Reply

54. Brent Armitstead says

    April 7, 2019 at 2:12 am

    Hi Nate
    I am an experienced snowboarder and want your thoughts on the best boots out of the following:

    Burton Ion Boa
    ThirtyTwo Binary Boa
    Salomon Dialogue Focus Boa

    Thanks,
    Brent

    Reply

    • Nate says

      April 8, 2019 at 12:49 pm

      Hi Brent

      Thanks for your message.

      First of all, with boots, IMO, fit is a big consideration and different feet fit different boots differently. So the best for me isn’t necessarily the best for you – in terms of fit anyway.

      Also, depends on your definition of best. These are quite different boots, IMO. By me feel, I rate the Ion Boa 7.5/10 for flex, with the Binary Boa more like 6.5/10 and the Dialogue closer to 5/10.

      Performance-wise, the Ion Boa is the most responsive and the best boot for carving and at speed, of the 3, followed by the Binary Boa, followed by the Dialogue.

      The Ion Boa will suit a stiffer board/binding setup better, but for a softer board/binding setup, something like the Dialogue might work better.

      If you’re looking to ride freestyle, or ride more casually, then something like the Dialogue might work better too.

      If you’re doing any hiking, the Dialogue Boa and Ion Boa have better traction vs the Binary Boa, IMO.

      So there are lot of factors, IMO, to determine what’s “best”. For carving, bombing performance and for the most response, and with a stiffer board/binding setup, I’d say Ion Boa. But in different situations they may not be the best choice, IMO.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

55. Brad says

    March 16, 2019 at 2:30 pm

    Hi Nate,
    Just wanted to get your thoughts on a comparison between two boots. I have owned a pair of burton imperial for the last two seasons. But unfortunately the had started to break down on the speed lacing system. I sent them in for a warranty repair and Burton deemed they couldn’t fix them and would replace them with the burton Ion’s.
    Just wanted to know how different the Burton Ions were and how big of a jump in stiffness they are?

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 18, 2019 at 10:22 am

      Hi Brad

      Thanks for your message.

      In my opinion there is a noticeable jump there. It’s not like going from a soft boot to a super stiff boot, but certainly noticeable. By my feel I would say Imperial 6/10 flex and Ion 7.5/10 flex. Nice that they’re replacing them with a more expensive boot – but kind of strange that they’re not replacing like for like. And if you’re not looking for something stiffer. I would have thought they would ask you, rather than just say they’re replacing it with a different boot. If you’re happy with going stiffer, no problems, and you’re getting a pricier boot – but still seems a little weird to me.

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56. Dominique says

    February 25, 2019 at 6:52 pm

    Hi Nate,

    First of all, as someone who likes to thoroughly research everything before they buy something, your site is PURE GOLD!

    I’m looking for all-mountain boots with a low profil. I’m wondering what score you gave to the Burton Ruler? Related to that, is there any way to see the score for all the boots you tested? (Maybe not the detailed score, but just the name of the boots and the overall score)

    Thanks for all you do for the snowboarding community!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 26, 2019 at 2:47 pm

      Hi Dominique

      I don’t usually publish the score for everything, but here’s the details for the Burton Ruler.

      Flex = 5/10
      Response = 3/5
      Heel Hold = 3/5
      Adjustability = 4/5
      Comfort = 4/5
      Shock Absorption = 3/5
      Traction = 4/5
      Reduced Footprint = 4/5

      Total Score = 75/100, after normalizing

      The same for Burton Ruler BOA, but with 4/5 for heel hold. And 78.3/100 overall.

      Remember too, of course, that boots, more than any other gear, are quite subjective. But hopefully this gives you an idea of their qualities.

      Some other good low profile options in a similar price range with a similar flex are the Vans Aura Pro, Vans Hi-Standard Pro, Adidas Samba, Burton Rampant, Ride Jackson.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

57. tim says

    February 24, 2019 at 1:01 am

    Hi Nate,

    I too recently purchased adidas tactical adv in a 10.5us. whats the minimum waist width i could go with this boot. i usually ride a 32 binary boa size 11 and always had a minimum waist width of 258mm as a rule. do you think i can get away with going normal width boards with minimal toe/heel drag? and from reading previous comments i should get medium bindings in both union and burton with these boots?

    hope i made sense.
    cheers
    Tim

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 25, 2019 at 4:49 pm

      Hi Tim

      Thanks for your message.

      Yeah I would go medium for both Union and Burton for 10.5 Tactical ADVs, if I was you.

      As for minimum waist width, you can definitely bring that down from 32 11s, IMO. Based on ThirtyTwo and Adidas boots that I’ve measured, you’re likely looking at up to a 10mm difference just from the reduced footprint on the Tactical ADVs – and then another 5mm from going half a size down, so you could potentially go as narrow as 243mm at the waist (with +15/-15 angles) – which would be like a 9.5 (which is essentially what a 10.5 Adidas is, or even less maybe). With a straighter back binding angle, I would say go with a minimum of around 252mm at the waist though. But yeah, should definitely get on most normal width boards, IMO, with 10.5 Tactical ADVs – depending on the actual width of them.

      Note that if you like to really rail your carves, you might want to add a little bit of width – but if you were previously comfortable with 258mm at the waist, then I think you’ll be fine on most regular width, with 10.5 Tactical ADVs.

      Hope this helps with your decision.

      Reply

      • Tim says

        February 26, 2019 at 2:29 am

        Cheers nate! I’m looking forward to having a custom x that is not wide!

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        • Nate says

          February 26, 2019 at 3:04 pm

          You’re very welcome Tim. Enjoy your new setup!

          Reply

58. Chris says

    February 10, 2019 at 5:47 pm

    Hi Nate,

    I am currently riding a Jones all-mountain twin 157cm. My first and previous set-up consist of the yes basic 155cm, size M union contact pro bindings and burton moto boots (all 2017 models and bought based on your recommendations). I have been snowboarding for 3 seasons, and is looking to upgrade my bindings and board (to match my jones). My goal before this season comes to an end is to get proper lessons and an introduction to off-piste riding. Considering that I am looking to ride powder and also charging on-piste, which bindings and boots would you recommend me to get. In fact, which category would you recommend me to look in, all-mountain or all-mountain freeride. I am looking for gears that can last me couple of years (in terms of durability and also skill level). I am looking at the K2 Lien AT bindings and Adidas tactical adv boots. Thanks!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 11, 2019 at 1:48 pm

      Hi Chris

      Thanks for your message.

      To make a long comment short I would say that the Lien AT and Tactical ADV would be a great match for the Mountain Twin and for what you’re describing.

      But to add to that, something with around a 6/10 flex, to match the Mountain Twin – 7/10 would also work – so all-mountain-freeride bindings would also be a good match, especially if you weren’t planning on getting into freestyle riding that much. But the Lien AT are a good mix of both, IMO, so they would be a great choice. So yeah, either all-mountain or all-mountain-freeride for the Mountain Twin (preferably 6/10 or 7/10 in terms of flex, but you could also get away with 5/10 flex). Same for boots.

      >>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings

      >>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings

      Hope this helps

      Reply

      • Chris says

        February 11, 2019 at 2:20 pm

        Hi Nate,

        Thanks for your help. You have been very helpful with your advise even since I started snowboarding.

        Could I just ask a couple more questions? If I were to get another stiffer or powder board, would the K2 lien AT and Adidas tactical ADV still be suitable (thinking of having 2 boards but just a single set of bindings and boots, which was what I was doing before selling my old gear). Also, with the tri-pods of the lien AT, how much difference in stiffness do you get when using the different tri-pods?

        Thank you once again!

        Reply

        • Nate says

          February 12, 2019 at 11:03 am

          Hi Chris

          With a stiffer board, ideally you’d go stiffer with the rest of the gear, but as long as it wasn’t like ultra-stiff, you would still get away with Lien AT and Tactical ADV on stiffer gear. Some powder boards aren’t that stiff either, if you were to go for a powder specific board, in which case you’d be a good match with the Tactical/Lien AT setup.

          I haven’t actually played around with the Grommets in the Lien ATs. I’ve ridden them a couple of times but only at demo days, so I’ve just ridden them with what was already in them. So, not sure how much difference they make to the flex.

          Reply

          • Chris says

            February 13, 2019 at 7:47 am

            HI Nate,

            Unfortunately, the K2 Lien AT is out of stock in the UK (at least for my size). I have purchased the Adidas Tactical Adv boots and am awaiting their arrival. So now, I have to look for another pair of bindings that won’t break the bank. May I know what are you thoughts on the Union Falcor for my gear combination and riding style? There’s a shop that has quite a bit of discount on it now. Are they suitable for jumps in a snow park (thought of doing a little of this)? And also, what size should I purchase if I end up going for the Falcor? I purchased a UK size 10 / US size 10.5 on the Adidas tactical adv (I was a UK 9.5 in my previous Burton boots). This is because I sized using the heel-to-toe length (mine’s 275-280 mm depending on which foot). I seem to be between size M and L on the Falcor, so should I size up or down? Could you kindly advise? Thank you so much for your help!

          • Nate says

            February 13, 2019 at 4:12 pm

            Hi Chris

            The Falcor’s are a little more advanced, but I wouldn’t say they’re ultra stiff – still some forgiveness (7/10 flex by my feel). They would certainly work for the Mountain Twin, it’s just whether or not they would be a touch stiff for you. Possibly not but it’s hard to say. I like the Falcor’s for jumps – they provide good pop, and I like the canting in the footbed for that too. Not sure if they would be the best for learning jumps on though.

            Size-wise, if you did go for the Falcors, or something else Union, I would go for medium. For 2 reasons, the base plate on Union large bindings is quite long, so there’s a chance it would be a little long for the 157 Mountain Twin. Don’t know for sure but there’s a risk there. But also, I think, since you have Tactical ADVs (which are low profile) in 10.5, that the Mediums would be the best bet for your boots too.

            The Burton Cartel and Union Strata would be 2 other good options, IMO and are also reasonably priced.

            Hope this helps

59. Brayden Castles says

    February 6, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Hey Nate,

    I stumbled upon this website just tying to look for reviews on boots and I am super impressed! You have so much knowledge and are very helpful which is great! But anyways I so have a question for ya. I purchased the k2 maysis boots for this season thinking that they would be amazing after reading all the reviews about them. And it’s true they are awesome. They are the perfect stiffness and ride great. However, I find that the single boa is lacking in versatility. The fact that in can only be tighted all at once makes it really hard to move from riding powder and then to the park as efficiently as I want, aswell as sometimes creates pressure points on my arch depending on how I’m riding. My current board is a salomon assassin pro, and my bindings are contact pros. I am going to be switching to forces as the contact pros are just too soft for me now as my riding has progressed. But that’s besides the point haha. So I’m just wondering what your opinion is on a pair of boots that rides and feels like the maysis, but has a double boa system instead. (I love the boa and could never go back to laces). A few things I’ve looked up so far are the 32 binary and a few options from salomon. But from what I’ve read on this website the binaries will be way to soft. Looking forward to hearing from you!

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    • Nate says

      February 7, 2019 at 2:24 pm

      Hi Brayden

      Thanks for your message.

      Yeah, it’s a shame it doesn’t have 3 Boas. That Boa for the liner, so you can adjust the liner more easily without having to get inside to the liner is handy, but certainly two boas for the outer boot would be nice too. The K2 Thraxis does have the triple boa system – one for the liner, one for the upper outer boot and one for the lower outer boot. It’s stiffer than the Maysis though – 9/10 flex, IMO – with the Maysis more like 7/10. Then there’s the K2 Boundary, which has two boas, but both are for the outer boot, so you get that adjustability there. They are a little softer than the Maysis though – 6/10 flex.

      For other brands, with double boa, you could look at the:

      Adidas Acerra (8/10 flex)
      Adidas Response (6/10 flex)
      Burton Photon Boa (8/10 flex)
      Burton Ion Boa (7.5/10 flex)
      Thirty Two Lashed Double Boa (6/10 flex)
      Thirty Two Binary Boa (6/10 flex)
      Thirty Two Focus Boa (8/10 flex)
      Salomon Synapse Boa (7/10 flex)
      Ride Trident (8/10 flex) – also a triple boa (two for outerboot and one for liner)

      Hope this helps and gives you some options to look at

      Reply

60. Johnny says

    February 4, 2019 at 2:18 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Always look for your opinion when I am researching new gear, thanks for all the effort you put into this site. I have a question about my current set-up and am would like to get your opinion. I have a Bataleon The One E.S. 2018 (6 – flex), Adidas Samba boots (4 to 5 – flex), and a set of older Forum bindings (4 flex) but in decent condition. I feel a little too soft in the boot and bindings with my new board and am curious which one I should upgrade to for a more stiffer flex (don’t have the $$$ for both this season). I am leaning toward the boot as I get a bit of heel lift with them also (hence me checking out the Vans…). Any thoughts?

    Thanks man!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      February 5, 2019 at 10:48 am

      Hi Johnny

      Thanks for your message.

      Yeah, I would go boots first, especially if you’re also getting heel lift and want to sort that out as well. The other thing, depending on how long you’ve had your boots, is that they will likely have softened up over time, if you’ve done a lot of time in them. Something like the Vans Infuse could work (I find them to have really good heel hold). Only thing to take note of is that they are narrower than Adidas boots, and if you have wide feet, you might not fit in them as well. If that’s the case, then the Adidas Response might be a better option. Or the Ion Boa (though very pricey), or something like the Thirty Two Binary Boa (6.5/10 flex).

      Also check out the following for a few notes on boot fit for a number of different brands:

      Sizing Snowboard Boots: The Different Brands

      Hope this helps

      Reply

61. Philip says

    January 22, 2019 at 10:10 am

    Hi Nate,

    Thanks for your very detailed reviews. I’v read both the reviews on your favorite freeride boots and the all mountain boots above. After reading I must say I really like the Vans Verse and Vans Infuse.

    Have have been riding for quite some years now and qualify myself as quite an advanced rider. Usually I ride the resorts but go offpiste as much as possible. Sometimes I go for a one day tour where I’ll walk for 1-2 hours. Also I’m really looking forward to go on a 5 day splitboard tour in April 2019. Taking this into consideration I guess you could say that I tend to go more in the freeride direction, but I also like to further practice riding switch and butter, jump my way around the mountain.

    I realize that I may ask a lot of you, so please bear with me, it would be greatly appreciated if you could help me making a choice between these two boots by pointing out some specific advantages or disadvantages for the type of riding I do/will be doing. Coming from boots that I used when I started riding (which are very soft) I obviously want stiffer boots, but don’t want to overdo it.

    Thanks in advance and keep up the good work.

    Greetings from Amsterdam, the Netherlands

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    • Nate says

      January 23, 2019 at 2:00 pm

      Hi Philip

      Thanks for your message.

      I would go with the Vans Infuse, if I was you. For a couple of reasons.

      a. They will be an easier adjustment from what you’ve been used to as they aren’t as stiff as the Verse
      b. For your more freestyle aspects around the resorts, the softer flex (without the tongue stiffeners) will be better. And then if you feel you need them stiffer for when you go on a tour or split-boarding, you can place those tongue stiffeners in. You can do the same with the Verse, but the Verse without stiffeners will be stiffer than the infuse without stiffeners

      The Verse is setup more for backcountry missions, with the zipper cover, and has that little bit of extra response. So, IMO, it would be a little better for that side of things. But for the resort, particularly with more freestyle aspects, I’d much rather have the Infuse. Whereas I’d only slightly rather the Verse over the Infuse for more big mountain/backcountry kind of stuff.

      Hope this makes sense and helps with your decision

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      • Philip says

        January 27, 2019 at 2:12 am

        Thanks a lot Nate. After reeding your reviews I truly felt well informed and with this personal touch it made it even better. I will go for the infuse, in particular because of two things you mentioned:

        – they will be an easier adjustment to the boots I was used to; and
        – you only slightly prefer the verse over the infuse for big mountain/backcountry.

        Many thanks!

        Reply

        • Nate says

          January 28, 2019 at 12:54 pm

          You’re very welcome Philip. Hope you have an awesome season!

          Reply

62. Chris says

    December 9, 2018 at 1:59 am

    Hey Nate,

    Question on sizing – do the Vans Infuse and Burton Ion (assuming the speed lace and boa fit the same) have similar sizing? I.e would you go the same size for both?

    Thanks
    Chris

    Reply

    • Nate says

      December 9, 2018 at 12:22 pm

      Hi Chris

      Thanks for your message.

      Yeah for me they both fit in a US10. I own the Infuse (in the 10) and they did take a good while to break in. Longer than I’m used to, so for that partucular model, I think I could have gone 10.5, but usually for Vans certainly 10s and the Infuse broke in eventually.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

63. Hristijan says

    December 3, 2018 at 10:23 am

    Hi Nate,

    I enjoyed the article. I have some questions that maybe you could help with.

    I am planning to buy Jones Explorer(159) snowboard. And I can’t still decide which bindings would be the best fit for the Explorer: Union Atlas, Union Force or Burton Cartel.
    I would like to ask you which bindings do you think would work the best for Jones Explorer? And also which of the boots that you have listed in your article would work with that setup (My boot size is 9US – 27cm)?

    I am hoping to find a boot that is of the flex rating you chose when reviewing the boots above, and that are both comfortable and responsive. If you can think of boots that would couple with the bindings along with align with the factors I mentioned above, I would love to hear your opinion.

    Also, let me know if you have in mind some other bindings that should be good for Jones Explorer.

    Thanks!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      December 4, 2018 at 10:05 am

      Hi Hristijan

      Thanks for your message.

      All of the bindings you’ve mentioned would work with the Explorer, IMO. I would rate the Explorer a 6.5/10 in terms of flex, and I would rate the bindings as follows, in terms of flex:

      Atlas: 7/10
      Force: 6/10
      Cartel: 6/10

      So, I think all would be a suitable flex match, for sure. The Atlas probably the best flex match, as I would usually lean towards slightly stiffer rather than slightly softer for bindings, relative to the board’s flex. But really, I think the Cartel and Force would work well for this board, too.

      Which one is best for you depends on what you value the most – response or board feel. In terms of response, I would say that the Atlas is the most responsive, but the Force and Cartel not far behind. The Cartels have the best board feel of the 3, IMO. And I found the Force to have just slightly better board feel than the Atlas, but they’re fairly similar.

      In terms of comfort and shock absorption, I would rate the Cartels the most comfortable and the most shock absorbing of the 3. But the Atlas and Force are both comfortable themselves and have decent shock absorption too.

      In terms of boots, the same goes for flex, and I think something with a 6/10 or 7/10 flex is a good way to go, so this list is a good place to be for that. In terms of comfort and response, check out the score breakdown for the boots in this list for what I thought. But remember that everyone’s foot is different and what’s comfortable to you could be different to what’s comfortable for me. If there’s any chance you can try on, I would highly recommend that, but if you can’t, if you can let me know if you have wide feet, narrow feet or medium width feet and also if you have high arches or flatter arches. Then I can recommend a brand that might fit well.

      Hope this helps with your decision

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      • Hristijan says

        December 11, 2018 at 2:11 am

        Thanks for your reply Nate, it helped a lot!

        I guess I’m going with the Atlas bindings.

        I have few shops near and they only sell Burton, Thirtytwo and Nitro boots.
        So I was thinking maybe Burton Photon, Imperial or Ion. And I don’t know much about Thirtytwo ‘s boots. Can you recommend some Thirtytwo boots?
        Also I would say that i have medium feet and medium arches. I had Burton Moto boots before and I felt comfortable wearing them.

        Thanks!

        Reply

        • Nate says

          December 11, 2018 at 9:00 pm

          Hi Hristijan

          Thanks for your message.

          If you know that Burton boots have fit you well in the past, then they are a relatively safe bet. Not all models will fit exactly the same, but usually a certain brand will fit similar between models. I would say Imperial (6/10 flex) or Ion (7.5/10 flex) would work well. The Photon is more like 8/10 flex, so a little stiffer. Burton SLX (7/10 flex) would be a great option too, if you have the budget, but they are very expensive (though the Ion is too).

          I find Thirty Two boots fit me well and are very comfortable. I would say that the Binary Boa (6.5/10) Lashed Premium (6.5/10), TM-3 (6/10) and TM-TWO (7/10) would be good options. Note that there’s the “TM-TWO” and the “TM-TWO XLT”. The “TM-TWO XLT” would be too stiff (9/10), IMO.

          Hope this helps

          Reply

          • Hristijan says

            December 14, 2018 at 3:10 am

            Hi Nate,

            Thank you very much for your help!

            I have one more question. I’m 175cm and 27cm boot size and 62kg weigh. Do you think that Jones Explorer 156 or 159 is better for me?

            Thanks!

          • Nate says

            December 16, 2018 at 12:25 pm

            Hi Hristijan

            For your specs I would usually say something around 152, 153, but for this board it’s a good idea to go a little longer. So the 156 would be a good option. At 62kg, I certainly wouldn’t go as long as 159, but 156 should work well for this board, for you.

            Hope this helps

64. Adam says

    November 14, 2018 at 9:42 am

    Hi Nate,

    Love using your site to help me narrow down options when picking out gear! I’m finally upgrading some of my equipment and am struggling on what to do. I’m 6’1 at 175 and I have been riding a Yes Typo (158) with Burton Rulers (10 US) and Burton Custom bindings.

    I have recently purchased a Yes Basic Decade (158) and am trying to figure out what bindings and boots to go with the board. I’m an intermediate/advanced rider and I ride mostly in the Tahoe area. I prefer carving in trees, moguls and small to medium jumps/side hits. I rarely if ever do any jibbing. I have tried on the Adidas Tactical ADVs in 9.5 and although they fit well in the store, moving around in them caused them to be uncomfortable. I have very high arches in my feet and the tongue was pressing down on the top of my foot. There was also a pressure point on the back of my heel when I leaned forward. I did try on the Adidas Samba ADV and found them to be way more comfortable but I am worried they might be too soft for the board. With my high arches and stiff(ish) board (7/10), do you recommend a boot/binding combo?

    Thanks,
    Adam

    Reply

    • Nate says

      November 15, 2018 at 10:19 am

      Hi Adam

      Thanks for your message.

      I haven’t ridden the Basic Decade, so I couldn’t say for sure, but in my experience YES flex ratings tend to be on the high-side, so I would guess that the Basic Decade would be no more than a 6/10 in terms of flex, but couldn’t say for sure.

      I would rate the Samba a 5/10 in terms of flex. So it’s close. Maybe just on the soft side, but not far off.

      In terms of high arches, I have a flat left foot and a semi-flat right foot, so I don’t have that issue, so I don’t really get a feel for boots that have higher or lower arches. I have been told by someone who does have high arches that they can’t get into Vans boots, so that’s one I would definitely avoid, but outside of that I’m not sure. Did you try the ADV in a 10 as well? Or just the 9.5? I’ve heard others say to go half a size down for Adidas, but for me they tend to fit best true-to-size. Best bet is to try some more on to see how they feel for your arches. But in terms of flex, going with something around a 6/10 would be a safe bet, though you could get away with a 5/10 (like the Samba). Also, if you find your Burton rulers to be OK with your arches, then there’s good chance other Burton boots will also feel good there. Something like the Burton Imperial would be a good flex match, IMO.

      For bindings, again looking at something around 6/10 or 7/10 in terms of flex would be a good way to go. Or 5/10 but that would be my third choice.

      Check out the following for some options.

      >>Top 5 All Mountain Bindings

      >>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings

      Hope this helps with your search

      Reply

65. Steve McCrory says

    November 12, 2018 at 5:25 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Brilliant site, and great reviews for all standards of rider, and I have found it all immensely helpful so far.

    I have narrowed my first board, bindings and boots down to the Yes Basic board at 156W, with the Now x Yes bindings (I have read that you don’t / can’t review the Now equipment, matched up to the Adidas Response ADV boots.

    I am going into my second season of ‘boarding (at the ripe old age of 49). Managed to get a good number of days in last year, at 15, so am looking to progress quite quickly with more days on the slopes this winter (hopefully up to 20)

    Based on your honesty and expertise, I went for the 156W board because I’m 5’10”, weighing around 75kgs, with size 10 feet (has to be a 10 because I have VERY wide feet), and I know the fit on the Adidas is good for my feet at that size….as all of my trainers are Adidas, in size 10 (and I have about 20 pairs)!

    I went for the Now x Yes bindings because I wanted to “feel” the board with the extra stiffness in the bindings and boots, and am hoping they will last a few seasons.

    Possible future purchases will be another Basic board, but in the 159W length, specifically for off-piste riding, but by then I’ll probably be “feeling” everything a bit more.

    Thanks again for your honest, and helpful advice. Great work, and enjoy the slopes.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      November 13, 2018 at 12:50 pm

      Hi Steve.

      You’re very welcome. If you think of it, let me know how you get on once you’ve had a chance to ride with your new setup. And when you look to grab gear again, feel free to ask for any recommendations/opinions. Happy Riding!

      Reply

66. Viktor says

    November 10, 2018 at 6:21 am

    Hi Nate

    This will be my 4th season in snowboard, about 7-10 days per season, but a I planing to do more. Last season a started to stretch my boundaries in Powder. I like to carve on the slope as well. I’m about the buy my very first boots (till now a i was renting, mostly one of Burtons speed Zone system boots). But i felt those too soft, probably because those was realy used.
    The Ride Triad, and the Ride Fuse catched my eyes.
    What is your opinion about these boots, is there a main difference between them, witch should I buy, or is there any other boots in your mind?

    Thanks,

    Viktor

    Reply

    • Nate says

      November 10, 2018 at 2:59 pm

      Hi Viktor

      Thanks for your message.

      I’d say the main difference between the Triad and the Fuse is that the Fuse is a stiffer, more responsive boot. I’d say the Triad is around a 5/10 flex, maybe even a touch softer than that, whereas the Fuse is more like 7/10. So Triad are going to be a more playful softer feeling boot. Though I imagine they will have a bit more stiffness than hire boots. The Fuse are a more aggressive/responsive boot.

      I would say ability level on the Fuse is more upper intermediate to advanced and upper beginner/lower intermediate to advanced for the Triad.

      With the days you have under your belt, and the style that you’re describing, then something between 5 & 7 in terms of flex will work well. If you get a chance to try boots on, then I’d highly recommend it as everyone’s feet are different – so in terms of fit, it’s hard to tell without trying them on. One thing is that Ride boots tend to be good for normal widthed feet, but if you’ve got wide feet less suitable.

      Hope this helps

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      • Viktor Farkas says

        November 18, 2018 at 8:29 am

        Thanks nate, it helped!

        I had a chance to tri these boots, and a will try the last seasen’s Nitro Thunder, and the new Nitro Anthem and Nitro Venture.
        Any thought about these.

        It’s harder than i thought to buy the first pair of snowboard boots.

        Thanks Again

        Viktor

        Reply

        • Nate says

          November 19, 2018 at 12:11 pm

          Hi Viktor

          I don’t know a lot about Nitro boots, unfortunately, but based on specs, they all fall in that 5-7 flex range. The Thunder being the softest most playful option (5/10) and the Venture the stiffer, more aggressive option (7/10), with the Anthem in between (6/10). I have no idea about fit for Nitro boots, but since you’ll get a chance to try them on, you’ll get a feel for how well they suit your feet/ankles/calves.

          Reply

67. Ryan says

    August 29, 2018 at 11:51 am

    Nate

    Are the Van’s Infuse Boots big or small footprint? Other review sites say they’re low profile like Burton and Adidas but you have them ranked as a 2 in low profile which I assume means they’re larger then average for the boot size

    Reply

    • Nate says

      August 30, 2018 at 3:55 pm

      Hi Ryan

      Thanks for the message. And thanks for pointing that out. The Infuse (and other Vans boots) are low profile these days. I apologize that score has leaked through the cracks from old Vans boots. So yeah, of the brands that I look at Adidas, Burton, Vans and Ride tend to be the lowest profile, Infuse included.

      As an example the outersole length on my Vans Infuse (size 10) are 2.5cm longer than the Mondoprint. Mondo on the 10s is 28cm and the length of the outersole is 30.5cm. The lowest profile that I’ve measured is the Adidas Tactical ADVs which had just a 1.7cm difference. The longest boots I’ve measured were 4.5cm difference between Mondo and outersole. So yeah, Vans are up there in terms of low profile these days.

      Hope this helps and thanks for pointing that out. I will be updating this list for the 2018-19 season soon, and I’ll make sure that it’s corrected then.

      Reply

      • Ryan says

        August 30, 2018 at 8:26 pm

        Have you ridden both the Infuse and the Tactical ADVs? I currently have the adidas which are super damp and pretty responsive but you do lose some board feel because that boost is so cushy.

        Was wondering how you’d compare the response of the Van’s with the tongue stiffener in and power strap tight.

        I had the Acerras too but they just were not comfortable so went with the Tacticals. Did not even think about the Vans but am always looking for additional options to add to my line up

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        • Nate says

          September 1, 2018 at 9:21 am

          Hi Ryan

          The Infuse have better board feel, IMO, but are still pretty cush. Response-wise, they are the equal of the ADVs – and with both tongue stiffeners in each boot, I’d say probably even just a bit more responsive.

          Just note though that they are a very different fit. The Infuse are narrower in the toe box (so if you have wider feet, then the ADVs will be a better fit). They also have less room for the top of your foot. I’ve heard people with high arches say that the top of their feet are squashed in them. I’ve got pretty flat feet, so they’re fine for me, but if you’ve got higher arches, that might be an issue, fit-wise.

          If possible always a good idea to try them on first, but if you can’t then keep those things in mind.

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          • Ryan says

            September 2, 2018 at 7:06 am

            Awesome thanks for the heads up on the sizing. Cant wait yo read your new gear reviews

          • Nate says

            September 2, 2018 at 10:01 am

            You’re very welcome Ryan

68. trent says

    August 11, 2018 at 10:42 am

    three boards for all mountain freeride, carving (no euros), small natural jumps.
    1. lib tech t rice pro 161.5
    2. capita mercury 159
    3. Standard Yes 159
    6’0ft, 190lbs, 12 boot.

    Any recommendations for a low profile boot and bindings to match best board for purpose? thanks

    Reply

    • Nate says

      August 13, 2018 at 3:27 pm

      Hi Trent

      Thanks for your message and apologies for the slow response (currently preparing for the imminent arrival of the birth of my son!)

      I wasn’t sure if you are saying you have those 3 boards and looking for a boot to match – or if you’re also asking for my opinion on the board? But anyway, in terms of boots:

      I would say that anything from this list that’s low profile (Adidas Tactical ADV and Response, Vans Infuse and Burton Ion) would all suit any of those boards. Possibly I would say the Infuse and Ion are better for the T Rice Pro and Mercury just because they’re a little stiffer and will provide more power to drive those boards, but the Adidas options would work too – and they should all work well with the Standard. But most importantly, IMO, is fit. The best fitting out of those 4 options, would be what I would go with. If you can try on, that’s the best option, but if not then – if you have wide feet, then go with an Adidas option. If you have high arches avoid the Vans Infuse.

      In terms of boards – assuming you don’t own those already – I would say that the Mercury and the T Rice Pro would be pushing it in terms of being too narrow normally, but going with low profile you should be fine, assuming you don’t ride with too straight a back foot – e.g. if you ride with angles like +18/-3, you might still be pushing it width-wise but otherwise you should be OK, IMO. The Standard should be fine regardless, IMO.

      In terms of length, I think those sizes would all be a good fit for you.

      In terms of the style of the boards, I would say that:

      1. The T Rice pro is the most aggressive, followed by the Mercury, followed by the Standard.
      2. The T Rice pro is behind the others when it comes to powder, IMO
      3. The Mercury is the most freeride oriented followed by the Standard and then the T Rice Pro which is the most freestyle oriented
      4. I preferred carving on the Mercury and Standard but the T Rice Pro is a good carver too. With the extra length and effective edge you would get going with the 161.5 T Rice Pro, it would be closer
      5. In terms of jumps, I would say they’re all pretty good in that department but in terms of small natural jumps, I think the Standard would be choice of the 3.

      For bindings, check out the following:

      >>Top 5 All-Mountain-Freeride Bindings

      Which would all be a good match, IMO, for those boards.

      Hope this helps with your decision

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      • Trent says

        August 14, 2018 at 10:00 am

        Appreciate the response and congrats on the newborn!
        Went with the Mercury 159 cm board ( 2018 was 449 cad so pretty good deal here) . foot appears to fit well in 11.5 (will try 11 but doubt it) so ill try several of the suggested boots at a local store. take care!

        Reply

        • Nate says

          August 15, 2018 at 9:20 am

          Thanks Trent! And you’re very welcome. Hope you enjoy your new gear!

          Reply

69. Shane says

    April 17, 2018 at 6:40 am

    Hello,

    I enjoyed the article; it was really informative. I have some questions that maybe you could help with… and possibly give your opinion on.

    I am planning to couple Union Atlas bindings with a Capita Mercury board and was looking for all-mountain, double boa (by preference) boots that would work well with the Union bindings.

    I am hoping to find a boot that is of the flex rating you chose when reviewing the boots above, and that are both comfortable and responsive. If you can think of boots that would couple with the bindings along with align with the factors I mentioned above, I would love to hear your opinion. Also, let me know what you think about the board/bindings if you’re familiar with them.

    If there are factors I should consider more than others when picking a boot, please explain in detail if you would.

    Thanks!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      April 17, 2018 at 2:34 pm

      Hi Shane

      Thanks for your message.

      First of all the Mercury is a very nice board, IMO. And the Atlas are good bindings and a good match for the Mercury.

      In my opinion, everything on this list would work with Union bindings and with the Mercury. Really it would just be making sure you got the right sized Union bindings for both board and boots. If you’re not sure, let me know your boot size and the size of the Mercury you are looking at.

      So, the Burton Ion, K2 Maysis LTD (or regular Maysis) and the Adidas Response would all be a good match to that setup, IMO.

      A couple of other options that didn’t quite make this list are the Ride Lasso and the Salomon Synapse Boa.

      I would say that the most important factor for boots is that they fit your feet well and are comfortable for you. So, if you can try them on in person before buying, even if you end up buying online, that’s the best way to go – and if you can’t find a particular model in a local shop, try something on from that brand – they may not be the exact fit of the model you’re looking for but should be close. Part of fit is comfort and part of fit is heel hold too.

      After that, the most important, IMO, is matching the flex to the rest of your setup.

      So fit and flex are the most important, IMO. Then shock absorption, traction, on and off ease, that sort of thing are secondary and more or less important depending on how you like to ride. E.g. traction is less important if you don’t do any hiking in them (though still nice to have in an icy car park!) but if you like to hike the backcountry, then traction becomes more important.

      Hope this helps

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70. Dalibor says

    March 23, 2018 at 12:48 pm

    Hello Nate,

    I am searching for the snowboard&boots and some help from you. Mostly I am All-Mountain-Freeride rider, I like doing tricks, jumps…, but in my area there are no snowboard parks so I am usually combining groomers with off the lane, forest riding. I think I am less beginner and more intermediate rider.
    Recently I bought Rome 390 Boss bindings, as I had a good offer and now I am searching for the snowboard and boots.
    What I like is GNU Carbon Credit BTX Asym snowboard, and I wanted to ask you if it can go with those Rome bindings and what boots do you suggest with those two?
    Also please suggest maybe some other board&boots according to what I have described above and which could fit these Rome bindings.

    Thanks a lot in advance!
    Keep it rocking!

    Reply

    • Nate says

      March 24, 2018 at 9:59 am

      Hi Dalibor

      I think you could match the 390 Boss to the Carbon Credit – the Carbon Credit is going to be a softer flex (4/10 I would say) than the 390 Boss – which are rated as 6/10 – not a binding that I’ve tested so I can’t attest to that flex rating but let’s assume that’s fairly accurate. Going a little stiffer with bindings on a slightly softer board (so long as they’re not too far apart) is usually fine in my experience. I don’t like it the other way around – i.e. a softer binding on a stiffer board, but a slightly stiffer binding on a softer board is fine, IMO.

      For boots, again, I think going the same or just slightly stiffer than the board, is a good way to go, so anything from 4/10 to 6/10 would be fine, IMO. Checking out the following lists would be a good place to start.

      >> Top 7 Beginner Boots

      >>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots

      Hope this helps

      Reply

71. Travis says

    January 4, 2018 at 2:29 pm

    I’m an instructor and curious what I should get that’s very durable but still comfy. I’m an advanced/expert rider.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      January 5, 2018 at 9:40 am

      Hi Travis

      Unfortunately, I don’t really make judgement on durability. I don’t tend to have gear for long enough to know how durable it will be (apart from gear I own myself of course).

      As an expert rider, you would probably appreciate something relatively stiff, but at the same time as an instructor, I imagine you are often riding at pretty slow speeds, which is where something a little softer would be better in terms of getting better maneuverability at slow speeds. But I’d say not too soft – so I think you’re in the right place on this list – unfortunately I can’t really give you any opinion on durability.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

72. Lenny says

    December 12, 2017 at 12:08 pm

    Which is the most comfortable one for men?

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    • Nate says

      December 13, 2017 at 12:24 pm

      Hi Lenny

      Comfort depends largely to what fits your foot the best. Everyone’s feet are different. Some liners are more plush than others, some have more dampening in the soles, which affects how comfortable they are when they ride – and the way the boot conforms to your foot, certainly all play a part. But if you get a boot that doesn’t fit your foot properly, then it won’t be comfortable. Fit is the most important thing.

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73. Nick says

    November 29, 2017 at 7:05 am

    Hello Nate,

    Debating on 3 boots for my Salomon First Call board with Salomon Alibi Bindings….Ride Lasso, Ride Fuse, and or Adidas Response? Maybe you have another boot in mind that would work better for my set up? Thanks for reading bud.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      November 29, 2017 at 3:35 pm

      Hi Nick

      I think they would all work with the First Call. The First Call is a mid-flexing board and those boots are mid to mid-stiff flexing and it’s always good to try to get a close flex match. I would say Fuse 7/10, Lasso 6/10 and Response 6/10 – I know Ride rate the Lasso 7 as well, but I just felt it was a little softer than that. The Alibis are what I would call a 7/10 flex. So those boots will match your setup well, IMO. If the boots and bindings are a little stiffer than board, I usually find that’s fine – I just don’t like it the other way around – softer boots/bindings with stiffer board doesn’t work for me.

      If you you can try them on in store at all, that would be ideal, just to make sure they fit your feet well – different brands usually fit a little different and everyone’s feet are a little different (i.e. high arches, flat feet, skinny ankles, wide feet etc).

      Hope this helps

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      • Nick says

        December 1, 2017 at 4:00 pm

        Thanks Nate,

        I did try on the Burton Imperial’s and those felt pretty darn good as did the Ruler. Lasso’s felt a bit uncomfortable in the calf area when walking and couldn’t find a shop with Ride Fuse or Adidas Response bummer. So I may go with the Imperial or Ruler.

        Reply

        • Nate says

          December 2, 2017 at 12:44 pm

          Hi Nick

          Yeah if you know the Burton’s fit well, then that’s a pretty safe bet. Likely that the Fuse will fit similar to the Lasso – though they can fit differently within brands. Without being able to try on the Adidas Response, it would be a gamble, especially when you know that the Burton’s feel comfortable.

          I’d say that the Imperial’s are probably the better option (but cost a bit more too). I’d say that the Imperials are about a 6/10 flex and the Ruler’s are more of a 5/10 flex. I think I like the sound of 6/10 for your setup – but you could certainly go 5/10 and it would be fine – so Rulers are a possibility, but I think the Imperials have just the bit more response.

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74. Mike says

    November 23, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    Hi Nate,

    Seems like you give some great advice and really care about helping people choose the right gear.

    I am considering getting new boots and bindings. I am currently riding older salomon F20 and very old burton c16 bindings on a ’13 never summer cobra. Lately I am realizing the c16s are digging into my calfs a bit.

    I ride most terrain, love powder in the trees, small jumps except I don’t do rails or boxes and such. I have been looking at the burton concord and salomon dialogue, both with double boa. What do you think of these 2 boot options with burton genesis bindings on a cobra?

    Thanks in advance,
    Mike

    Reply

    • Nate says

      November 24, 2017 at 11:32 am

      Hi Mike

      I think those boots and bindings would be a good match with the Cobra. They’re all around that mid-flex range. I find the Genesis super comfortable so there shouldn’t be any comfort problems there.

      If at all possible it’s best to try boots on before you buy – just to get that fit right – everyone’s feet are different and each brand fits slightly differently. Even if you can’t try a particular model on in person, it’s a good idea to try that brand.

      Since you already have Salomon boots and assuming they fit well, then that’s probably the safest bet, if you’re unable to try on in person. I mean they would have changed since the F20s, but still should fit similarly. Well done for having boots last so long! But best bet is to try on in person.

      In terms of flex/response, both the Concord Boa and the Dialogue will be similar in terms of flex and response as the F20s had when they were new – but they’ll probably feel stiffer/more responsive than them now as they would have softened up a bit over time.

      Hope this helps.

      Reply

      • Mike says

        November 24, 2017 at 4:30 pm

        Hi Nate,

        Thanks for the quick response.

        Yes, I totally agree with always trying on boots, which I had, I just forgot to mention that. I tried both and they are both pretty comfortable. I am interested in these 2 because they are both mid-flex, comfortable and both have dual zone boa. I tried them on again today and I think the Burton are a bit more comfortable and I think I like the feel of the new England rope over the steel cables. So I’m pretty sure I am leaning towards the Concord. Too bad too cause I had a pair of last year’s dialogues lined up for $175 but if I get the concord’s, at least I will be getting $50 off.

        So now I’m trying to decide between the Cartel and geneisis bindings…haha.

        Regarding boot to binding fit….assuming I go with the concord’s and either cartel or geneisis would you suggest large or medium bindings? I tried the boots on today and slipped into a medium and a large binding. The medium rubbed a little on the sides of the boot in the back around the heel area of the outsole of the boot. And the front of the boot hung over the gas pedal a little even with it all the way out but it seemed it would function fine. I would just want to make sure I have enough power over my toe edge. The large binding of course easily fit but it seemed the structure was a good deal deeper front to back than the medium. Not much toe overhang without any extension of the gas pedal. What do you think? I know I just gotta decide my maybe you can give me some of your thoughts to consider. Will the different size bindings cause the board feel to be a little different or any other things like that to consider?

        Thanks,
        Mike

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        • Nate says

          November 25, 2017 at 10:46 am

          Hi Mike

          I do find that Burton bindings do tend to fit pretty snug in the heel end of the boot – but this is a good thing, so long as you’re not actually having to force your boot in there, and potentially cause damage to your boots. It should still go in relatively easily. I have size 10s too and I prefer medium Burton bindings and find that my heels do fit snug but not to a point that I’m having to force them in there. I can definitely still ride Large Burtons though, but I prefer Medium. But yeah, I do out the gas pedal out most of the way. I don’t have Burton boots, so they won’t be exactly the same heel-wide – but Burton’s sizings are based on their boots, and they recommend up to 10s for the medium, so I think it would be fine.

          A reasonable amount of toe overhang over the end of the gas pedal is fine.

          With 10s, you really can go either way. If you’re worried about the rubbing, then go Large but otherwise, I’d say medium.

          The other thing is if you were on a wider board, then going large would potentially give you more leverage on the edges as the bindings would get closer to the edges but usually in that case you would have larger boots and would go large anyway. The Cobra 161 should be fine with Mediums.

          In terms of going Cartels vs Genesis, it’s a close call. The Cartels are mildly stiffer (6/10 vs 5/10 on the Genesis) but the Genesis are more comfortable and I find they have just a little more board feel (but both bindings have great board feel). The Cartels are cheaper too, which is a plus. Typically I’d say if you’re leaning more towards freestyle, then go Genesis and if you;re leaning more Freeride, then Cartel.

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75. Roger says

    November 22, 2017 at 12:43 pm

    Hi!

    Which is the best for skinny ankles? I need one boot for skinny ankles and reduce footprint like burton or adidas.

    Thanks

    PD: Use all mountain frestyle

    Reply

    • Nate says

      November 23, 2017 at 10:03 am

      Hi Roger

      In terms of something that’s good for skinny ankles, I think something with a double boa system is a good way to go. They usually produce the best heel hold. And if you’re looking at good reduced footrprint then yeah, Burton, Adidas, Ride are a good way to go. And Vans are also doing well, in that respect too.

      I think in terms of boots with great heel hold and reduced footprint, the Vans Infuse Boa (medium-stiff flex) is a good choice. This is a mixture of traditional lacing and boa but has great heel hold with that boa working on the ankle. Or Vans Aura (medium flex). Some options from Ride are the Ride Trident (mid-stiff),
      and Ride Lasso (medium flex).

      Or if you want something Burton or Adidas, then the Adidas Response ADV (medium flex) or the Burton Photon Boa (mid-stiff), Burton Ion Boa (mid-stiff) or Burton Concord Boa (medium) could work for you. Since you’re looking at all-mountain-freestyle you might want something more mid-flex, so maybe Aura, Response ADV, Concord Boa or Lasso would be the best choices. But you could go more mid-stiff if you felt like you wanted something a bit stiffer.

      Hope this helps

      Reply

76. Spencer says

    November 2, 2017 at 8:37 pm

    Hey Nate,

    I just got hired to work as a terrain park attendant (Park crew worker) at my local mountain. I have been in desperate need of new boots any ways but wanted to get you opinion. Because I am going to be on and off my board 50/50 all day, would you recommend a stiffer boot or a softer boot? I have been interested in the K2 Maysis for a while now. What do you think I should do? Any other suggestions would also be helpful, want to invest in a really good pair that suits the work I will be doing.

    Thanks,

    Spencer

    Reply

    • Nate says

      November 3, 2017 at 11:11 am

      Hi Spencer

      I can’t say I’ve ever worked as a terrain park attendant, so I couldn’t say for sure. But if it involves testing out the features, then I would say something softer is going to be better for testing out rails, boxes etc. But something stiffer better for testing out the large jumps. I know that doesn’t help!

      In terms of getting on and off your board all day, I’m not sure that stiff or soft would matter too much. I guess the only thing is if you’re riding short little bits slowly and then stopping and getting off and then riding another short bit and stopping and never really picking up speed and have to do that a lot during the day, then something softer would be better – just because a softer setup tends to be easier to maneuver with at slower speeds.

      But that’s all just my theory on it, as, like I say, I’ve never actually done that type of work before, so I couldn’t say for sure. Is there anyone on your team that you could ask to see what they prefer?

      Reply

77. Champ says

    October 31, 2017 at 10:39 pm

    Hi Nate

    What is your opinion on 2017/18 on ride trident? I really like to carve most of the time while I am snowboarding.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      November 1, 2017 at 9:21 am

      Hi Champ

      The Tridents are great boots for carving. Just know that they are quite stiff (8/10) – so you’ll want to be an advanced rider. But if you’re at an advanced level and like to carve, then the Trident’s are a great option, IMO. If you more at an intermediate level, then I would recommend something softer flexing.

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78. Casey says

    September 20, 2017 at 9:43 am

    Nate, what’s the main differences between the Ride Trident and Ride Insano and does the 3rd boa make it worth the extra $100 to go with the Trident. I like a stiffer boot and I like to ride fast. I don’t do the park at all, just fast on groomers, trees and everything else. I’ve been riding the DC Travis Rice boot the past 4 seasons. I currently ride a Lib Tech T. Rice Pro with Burton Cartel Bindings.

    Reply

    • Nate says

      September 20, 2017 at 12:45 pm

      Hi Casey

      I would say that the main 2 differences are:

      1. The triple boa which you mentioned; and
      2. The Insano’s are a little bit stiffer

      There’s not a huge difference in flex – they’re both pretty stiff. The Insanos rate a 9/10 with the Tridents at 8/10. The DC Travis Rice are rated a 9/10 as well. So in terms of sticking with the same flex, the Insanos are more in line with your current boots (though different brands do feel different in the way they flex).

      The Triple Boa just gives you that little bit more in adjustability. You can tweak how tight you want different parts of the boots more independently – but that’s not a big deal, IMO. I class the Insanos as Freeride boots (which the Tridents are bordering on too, but I chose to put them in this category) as well as the DC TRice. You can check out my freeride list below if you’d like.

      >>My Top 5 Freeride Boots

      But yeah, it depends on how much you value being able to independently adjust as much as possible and also whether you’re willing to go to a slightly softer flexing boot (if you were to go Trident) – all be it not by that much.

      Hope this gives you more to go off for your decision.

      Reply

      • Casey says

        September 23, 2017 at 7:07 pm

        I went to the store today and checked out the insanos. I’m not a fan of how the toe box and heel are just leather. I’d be worried that the toe would get really beat up from my board resting on it on the chairlift as well as the leather on the heel from being pressed against the back of the binding. I think I’m going to go with this year’s DC t rice boots. They seem way more durable and since my old boots are t rice’s, I know they fit me well and are super comfortable.

        Reply

        • Nate says

          September 24, 2017 at 1:36 pm

          Hi Casey

          Thanks for the update.

          Nothing wrong with going for the tried and true if you know they do the job well for you.

          Reply

79. Casey says

    September 19, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    What’s the main difference between the Ride Trident and Insano? I know the Tridents have the 3rd boa, but is it worth the extra cost? I’ve been riding DC Travis Rice boots the past 4 seasons, but want to try out Ride boots this year.

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80. Adam says

    September 3, 2017 at 9:36 am

    Hi Nate,

    I’m trying to decide if getting a stiffer boot is the right approach or whether I should get something a bit softer. I traditionally just ride the mountain but having been venturing into the park a bit more. The boots I’m looking at are the Burton ion or the Addidas ATV to go with the Yes Greats and Burton Genesis, what would you recommend?

    Thanks,

    Adam

    Reply

    • Nate says

      September 3, 2017 at 10:48 am

      Hi Adam

      Sounds like an awesome setup so far with the Greats and the Genesis!

      I think the ATV or Ion would go with this setup. To more accurately match the flex of the board and bindings you have, something from the following list would be a slightly better match in terms of flex.

      >>My Top Freestyle (medium flex) Snowboard Boots

      But in saying that, if you feel like you want to go a bit stiffer in the boot, if you think that’s something you’ll like, then I do find that if any part of your setup is going to be stiffer, then boots are the way to do it – so you could certainly go with something 7/10 for boots to match with 5/10 board/bindings. Hope that makes sense. I wouldn’t recommend going with a 5/10 boot on a stiffer board – like a 7/10 flexing board – and I don’t like softer bindings on a stiffer board – but stiffer boots on a softer binding/board setup can definitely work.

      Personally, I’d probably go with something more like 5/10 or 6/10 in boots for that setup – but some people do prefer a stiffer boot.

      Hope this makes sense and helps with your decision

      Reply

      • Adam says

        September 5, 2017 at 4:57 am

        Thanks Nate, I phoned around my local shops and was able to get a pair of the Imperials and AMB for roughly the same price (will return the ones I don’t like). I know you like the AMB from your review but have you tried the imperials? From reading around online it sounds like they’re very similar boots with the imperials being slightly more responsive.

        Thanks,

        Adam

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        • Nate says

          September 5, 2017 at 2:57 pm

          Hi Adam

          I haven’t tried the Imperials but they do look similar. Imperials are slightly more expensive but you’ve managed to get them for a good price by the sounds of it. Having both to try them out is a good way to go too. I’d be interested to hear which ones you prefer.

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81. Prem says

    April 15, 2017 at 2:05 am

    Thanks Nate, that really helps! So I cant seem to find the right size in the blauvelts, hence I’m now looking at the Adidas samba and the zx 500 also. Did you find Adidas fit true to size or max a half a size smaller then normal in general?
    Does this apply to the Nike Vapens also?
    Sorry for asking you about 3 types of boots in one post.
    Happy Easter by the way!

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    • Nate says

      April 18, 2017 at 1:38 pm

      Hi Prem

      Sorry for the late response – had a full on weekend demoing gear and then took Monday off for my fiancée’s birthday.

      I find that Adidas boots all fit the same for me – and that was true to size.

      Same for Nike boots from memory.

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82. Prem says

    April 12, 2017 at 10:01 am

    Hey Nate,

    I just wanted to ask you about the Adidas Blauvelt boots – how did you find the fit to be?
    Are they true to size? Did you go a size or half a size down from your normal shoe size as per your boot buying guide?
    I wanted to get your opinion as I can’t get to a store to try these and I’m being told to buy a size bigger then my normal shoe size which is the opposite to what I normally do for snowboard boots – I normally get a size smaller!

    Thanks

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    • Nate says

      April 12, 2017 at 1:53 pm

      Hi Prem

      It’s hard to say because everyone’s feet are different. Even the same length feet can fit differently because of different shapes and different arches.

      In my experience this boot is a 10 for me and I’m a 10 in shoe size. So I didn’t go down. But I didn’t go down for the Vans boots I currently own either – they are a 10. But for some I would go down half a size. That would be the usual for most but this isn’t always the case and brands differ as you know.

      I wouldn’t go a size bigger though. I’m not sure who told you that but they probably have something about the shape of their feet that made them need a size bigger. If you usually go a size down, then I would say go half a size down from your normal shoe size or get something that is your normal shoe size.

      Definitely make sure that the store you buy from will let you return them if they don’t fit – you want to make sure you get the fit right and if you can’t try on in store, definitely go somewhere with a good return policy. If they have more than one size and you can afford the outlay, then it can be a good idea to grab too pairs and return the pair that doesn’t fit. If you’re really game you could get 3 pairs – one half down, one shoe size and one half up. Otherwise for 2 sizes I’d try shoe size and half down (if available). I don’t think you’ll be going a whole size up or down from your shoe size in this case. But like I say it’s hard to tell, as every foot is different. Just make sure you go with a good return policy and that lowers the risk.

      Hope this helps

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83. rico says

    February 20, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    ami say something about ride lasso ?

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    • Nate says

      February 21, 2017 at 3:50 pm

      Hi Rico

      Re your comment on the other post, I will compare the Lasso to the Trident.

      The Lasso are softer flexing than the Trident. They are more of a medium flex (6/10) compared to the Trident’s Medium-Stiff flex (8/10).

      I think that they would go well with your setup which is all around that medium flex (your Cartels and your Lib Tech Travis Rice Pro). They will be more forgiving than the Trident’s but will also be less responsive.

      They are low profile (like the trident’s and all ride boots) and have a similar amount of shock absorption. They are suitable for anyone intermediate and up – whereas the Trident’s are more for advanced and up.

      They are both quality boots – the main difference is that the Lassos are more flexible, more forgiving and less responsive than the Tridents.

      Hope this gives you a bit more to go off.

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84. John L says

    December 14, 2016 at 11:54 am

    Nate,
    I have the Burton Moto and I like the boot, but I feel that I’m starting to need slightly more stiffness since at the end of my limited time last season, there were times when I wanted the boot to respond faster. I have the Flux DS on a Slash Brainstorm (as you may remember) and there’s something in the component chain that feels … slow.

    I don’t think I should go from medium-soft to medium-stiff like your picks on this page. Are there any all-mountain boots you recommend for a low intermediate rider like me who needs a true medium flex (I’m guessing)?

    Thanks,
    John
    Atlanta, GA

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    • Nate says

      December 14, 2016 at 8:42 pm

      Hi John

      Thanks for your message. I remember your setup (you had the Rome Tour originally I think but you didn’t like it and switched to the Brainstorm, if I remember correctly?).

      I agree that moving to a medium would be your best bet.

      I would check out the following post. It’s a freestyle boot top 5 but they’re really what I’d consider all-mountain-freestyle (whereas this list is more all-mountain-freeride). The boots in that list are medium flex and I think something there would work well.

      ~ Top 5 All-Mountain Freestyle Snowboard Boots

      If you like your current boots then the Burton AMB might be a good option – the Burton Imperial is also another option (though more expensive than the AMB). But if you’re happy to switch brands, I think anything in there would be good options. 32 tend to make boots that are good for those with slightly wider feet so if you think you have wider feet, then the 32 Binary Boa is a good bet.

      Hope this helps

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85. Wing says

    July 3, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    Nathan,

    I own a pair of Nike Zoom Force 1’s and they have been serving me great for the last few years. I’m thinking of getting another pair that’s a little bit softer just so I can get more room to move around without affecting my orientation too much. I’ll check these out that you’ve recommended!

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    • Nate says

      July 12, 2016 at 8:47 pm

      Hey Wing

      Thanks for visiting. Most of these boots will be slightly softer than the Zoom Force Ones, except maybe the Trident. The Zoom Force Ones are probably about an 7.5 or 8 out of 10 I’d say. So if you want to go just a little bit softer the first 4 boots in this list should be suitable,

      If you want to go a little softer than that, check out my top 5 freestyle boots at the link below.

      >>Snowboarding Profiles Top 5 Men’s Freestyle Snowboard Boots

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86. Billy Hunter says

    December 1, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    Hello Nathanial, If you have ever seen me on a snowboard before you would know I would LOVE to own my own pair or these badboys. I always get rentals at the slopes because I only go a couple times a year. BUT I really like the Men’s All-Mountain Boot, the #5 boot. The color is sick and everything. Which ones would your recommend for a not so good snowboarder like myself.
    .. i still have much to learn on the board. lol

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    • Nate says

      December 1, 2015 at 5:36 pm

      Hey Billy

      First time I’ve been called Nathanial! But it’s got a ring to it 🙂

      Probably a lot of these boots will be too stiff for you if you are still a beginner or intermediate rider. If I was you I would check out my list of the top beginner snowboard boots – they’re cheaper too! Check out my top 5 beginner boots at the link below.

      Top 7 Men’s Beginner Snowboard Boots

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87. Jeff says

    July 26, 2015 at 2:15 am

    This is a great write-up – I feel extremely well informed after reading it. I feel very confident that I could choose one of these boots and make the right choice based on the information provided. I really like the Nike boots – I pretty much like all things Nike – one question do they come in a color other than red?
    Thanks – Jeff

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    • Nate says

      July 27, 2015 at 5:57 pm

      Hey Jeff

      Yes the Nike Kaiju also comes in a black colorway and a white colorway.

      Thanks for visiting.

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88. Liz says

    July 7, 2015 at 12:55 am

    Love the Nike’s! Although the Salomon would be better for a friend of mine. He likes boots that are a little stiffer. I will have to send him to your site and see what he thinks. If it was me, the Nike’s would win. Do any of these boots come in different colors? Possibly the Nike’s in black? Thanks.

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    • admin says

      July 7, 2015 at 3:44 pm

      Hey Liz – send your friend over – the more visitors the better! The Salomon F4.0 or Ride Trident would be great for that all mountain rider who prefers his boots stiffer.

      Most boots come in different colorways – the Nike also come in a black version and a white version in addition to the red one’s pictured above.

      Thanks for stopping by

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89. survival chick says

    July 7, 2015 at 12:54 am

    Awesome post Nate! I am not very good a snowboarding, but I try my best, and I really like how you have set up your reviews on this page.

    Have you got one for the ladies? My beginner equipment is definitely due for an upgrade, and I’d love to see you review one for the gals.

    On a side note, those red adidas look hot! Very low profile, and stylish.

    Great review!

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    • admin says

      July 7, 2015 at 3:52 pm

      Hey Survival Chick – glad you liked the post.

      I have some ladies snowboard boots posts in the works currently which are due to be published sometime this month. Come back at the end of the month and there should be a women’s all mountain boots post and a women’s freestyle boots post out.

      In the meantime if you are looking to upgrade some of your other equipment (i.e. bindings and board) you can check out the following links to see if anything there is to your liking – the posts below are in the same kind of style as this one.

      Best Women’s Snowboard Bindings

      Best Women’s Snowboards

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